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Speaker 1: Late fifteen to ten touched up.

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Speaker 2: What's Up? Guys, Welcome into a brand new episode of

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Speaker 2: Chargers Weekly, as always, joined by the voice of the Chargers,

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Speaker 2: Matt Muddy Smith. Back in southern California. I'm sticking around

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Speaker 2: for the Gates Inshrineman tomorrow. So still in Ohio, Buddy.

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Speaker 2: We were both in Canton last night. And a heck

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Speaker 2: of a good first impression for the for these Jim

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Speaker 2: Harball Chargers thirty four to seven, and listen. You can

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Speaker 2: attribute it to maybe being in camp an extra week,

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Speaker 2: or just maybe have more talent on the back end

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Speaker 2: of the roster, but they look crisp, they look prepared.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's that's part of what this team

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Speaker 1: is and what this coaching staff is all about and preaches.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they started camp a week earlier than the Lions,

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Speaker 1: and they have the same schedule, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's any questions to me. That's the thing that jumps

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Speaker 1: how prepared they were, time on task. You got the

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Speaker 1: opening kickoff, you know, and Ryan Fickens bunch scores a turnover.

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Speaker 1: You got one guy punching it out, you got two

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Speaker 1: guys scrapping for it. I think Kenda Williamson punched it out,

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Speaker 1: Caleb Murphy had the ankles, and it was and I

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Speaker 1: think it was a MANYMANI that ends up getting the

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Speaker 1: football and it's like, yeah, that's charge of football right there.

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Speaker 1: First play, no plays off, and it just it took

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Speaker 3: I mean, you want to talk.

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Speaker 1: And the great thing too, Chris, is that guys that

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Speaker 1: we've been seeing performing in camp are the ones that

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Speaker 2: That's right, That's right. I mean, and we could go

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Speaker 2: down the list and we will go down the list

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Speaker 2: of so many top performers and we've been talking about

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Speaker 2: on this podcast for the last several weeks. I want

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Speaker 2: to start with the quarterback though, because listen, Trey Lance

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Speaker 2: number three overall pick in twenty twenty one, and I

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Speaker 2: don't know about you, but I just since this this confidence,

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Speaker 2: and I think he's had this confidence instilled in him

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Speaker 2: led it off with that will Disley touchdown to open

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Speaker 2: up the scoring. And we're going to get into the

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Speaker 2: kls and just what he's transferred on to the playing

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Speaker 2: field in a real game. But I just want to

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Speaker 2: he played. And I remember a year ago throwing five

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Speaker 2: interceptions against the Chargers as a Dallas Cowboy, Trey looked

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Speaker 2: the part. And I know this is the first preseason game,

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Speaker 2: it's the Hall of Fame game, and you know this

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Speaker 2: is a guy who was a top pick. But I

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Speaker 2: really liked what I saw from Trey Lance.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you know, you look at and I'm

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Speaker 1: Trey Lance. So last year, I mean we saw it

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Speaker 1: saw the bad from Trey Lance, right, and the really

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Speaker 1: good was the rushing. He rushed eleven times for ninety

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Speaker 1: We did not even see the run like which was

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Speaker 1: It's not like exciting or I just I think it's

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Speaker 1: trading three first rounders with Kyle Shanahan, all that disappointment,

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Speaker 3: Just go out there and play football. Man.

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Speaker 2: He's twenty five years old. Yes to think like he's

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Speaker 2: got his best football in front of him. Sam Farmer,

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Speaker 2: I think Jim and his presser referred to like the

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Speaker 2: Like he's twenty five, he's got several years in front

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Speaker 2: And you know, the one thing that struck me in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look handon hooker right is was was older than

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Speaker 1: He had guaranteed money. So you know, what do you

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Speaker 1: But just you're talking about a guy that got to

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Speaker 1: to a situation where you know, we know how particular

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Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan is with his quarterbacks, how they have to

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Speaker 1: And that's and you're talking about a guy that you

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Speaker 3: If I pull up my my stuff, the.

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Speaker 1: Guy that was running like a running back, I mean,

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Speaker 1: see what was it. Here we go and the year

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Speaker 1: he won the D one Championship and was the game MVP.

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Speaker 1: He threw for twenty seven eighty six, twenty eight touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: Like that's that's the type of player we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: So you so much of football is circumstance. What I'm

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Speaker 1: what I'm getting at is, by all accounts, every person

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Speaker 1: he's an exceptional guy. He's a great guy, and they're

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Speaker 2: You know, DJ could break this down much better than

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Speaker 2: I can. But just you know, the eye test when

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Speaker 2: it's a little bit of an adjustment's a little bit

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Speaker 2: Taylor Heineke, he didn't play in this game because he

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Speaker 2: position starts. That first drive too. You know, Amarion Hampton.

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Speaker 2: I think he touched the ball three times from a

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Speaker 2: sure the coaching staff as well. He was out of

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Speaker 1: Money at jump cut, explosion, fought through contact for an

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Speaker 1: extra four yards. That's it, Like you said it perfectly, Chris.

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Speaker 1: Everything that he is was on display on that one

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: And when you don't have your first string offensive line

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Speaker 1: organizations is Amari and Hampton. I think that's that's why

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Speaker 1: expand that, it's fun running back competition.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: We talked about it, Chris, and I know we're going

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Speaker 1: to get to it. But you saw competitors welcome, right,

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Speaker 2: No, I was just going to say, I think that

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Speaker 1: you're like, oh, okay, now he's really got it up there.

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Speaker 3: I mean he is a sharp dude.

431
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 1: So he's got the size, he's got the route running ability,

432
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,639
Speaker 1: he's got the athleticism, he's got the hands to win

433
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 1: the fifty to fifty balls.

434
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 3: He's got it up here.

435
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,680
Speaker 1: And then you start thinking about how expensive that position

436
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 1: is and you have got Quintin year three, Lad year two,

437
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 1: Lambert Smith, Trey Harris both year one. Like that's that's exciting.

438
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 1: That's what you're talking about surrounding your quarterback and that's Look,

439
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this to pat ourselves on the back.

440
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 1: But when Mike Williams retired and everyone's like trade for

441
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,880
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin, sign a Marii Cooper, It's like, no, they're

442
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 1: going to take inventory on what they have first. That's

443
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,199
Speaker 1: just the way this you know, this regime operates. We've

444
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,880
Speaker 1: seen it enough that they're going to take their inventory

445
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 1: and then figure it out and if they need it,

446
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,239
Speaker 1: then they'll go get it, and so I think what

447
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 1: they're seeing now is, you know, we don't need to

448
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 1: be dropping twenty thirty million bucks on a guy because

449
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,719
Speaker 1: we feel pretty good about lad being the one. You know,

450
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,400
Speaker 1: Q had eight touchdowns in eight hundred yards last year.

451
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 1: I for good there, if you want to call that

452
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,400
Speaker 1: a two or a three or or whatever. And now

453
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 1: we've got all of this excitement surrounding, you know, these

454
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Speaker 1: two players and Lambert Smith and Trey Harris, and like

455
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: you said, Trey just didn't get the opportunities. But I've

456
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,360
Speaker 1: seen enough that what I was getting at, sorry, when

457
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: I talked to him in practice after training camp that

458
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 1: day on Tuesday, I was talking about that pass from

459
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: Justin in the back of the end zone where he

460
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: threaded it through two players, two tray and just kind

461
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: of how that whole thing came about, and he sounded

462
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 1: like a ten year vet. He's like, yeah, you know, Justin,

463
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 1: you kind of know generally where he's going to want you,

464
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,679
Speaker 1: and then you just need to make that effort to

465
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Speaker 1: get there. And then you also have to because you know,

466
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 1: he seems a bang bang man, and you got bodies

467
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,439
Speaker 1: flying everywhere, and you've got two guys in front of you,

468
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 1: and he's thrown up between the two with laser like speed,

469
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: and Trey just sounded like Mike Williams would have said,

470
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 1: you know, in the Raider game, you put the fourth

471
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Speaker 1: down catch, Yeah, you know, just kind of know where

472
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: Justin wants me to be, got to make sure I'm

473
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,959
Speaker 1: kind of right there, And that's kind of what it was,

474
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: you know. And he's just got that maturity to him

475
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: and so very excited about both of those those players.

476
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: And that's not to say anything take anything away from

477
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: you went through it, Chris. It's nobody had more than

478
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 1: two catches. How about Tucker fist Man snatching that thing

479
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 1: out of the air that lasers in the air. That

480
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: was pretty awesome.

481
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 2: We got the two guys in the tight ends room

482
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Speaker 2: who are considered past catch first making big plays in

483
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Speaker 2: the in the Hall of Fame game with Conklin out

484
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 2: and you know, Gats and getting that one catch. But Butdy,

485
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 2: I go back to the conversation that you and I

486
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Speaker 2: had during free agency when we were going through the

487
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 2: DK metcalt T Higgins of the world and try to

488
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 2: figure out if they're going to get Justin this big

489
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: weapon and there's there's I think, for good reason, some

490
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 2: hesitancy around the league to give a wide receiver thirty

491
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 2: million plus because it takes up so much a coupt

492
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Speaker 2: unless you're the Cincinnati Bengals right where you're paying Higgins

493
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: and Jamar Chase. But you know you're seeing it in

494
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 2: Washington right now, where you know Terry McLaurin is the

495
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 2: ultimate team guy. He's an awesome, awesome player. But even that,

496
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 2: they don't want to pay him thirty three million dollars

497
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 2: a year. That's a lot of money to invest in

498
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 2: a wide receiver. Excuse me. So to see how Joe

499
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 2: has kind of approached this. You know, Mike Wayams was

500
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 2: supposed to be kind of the stop gap veteran for

501
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 2: a year, but to get Trey Harris and I don't

502
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 2: think anybody really expected KeAndre Lambertsmith to look like this

503
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 2: this early, right, So I think that you're kind of

504
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: playing with house money with that. But to surround Justin,

505
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: who's making a lot of money with lad like you said,

506
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 2: his second year, Quinn in his third year. These two rookies, Gadston,

507
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 2: you know, a short term deal with Conklin. You know

508
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 2: Disley's in tow you have to pay guys like for

509
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: Shaun Slater and dayone Henley and Derwin James probably down

510
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 2: the road. So not having to invest all that money

511
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 2: in the wide receiver position, maybe it's a it's a gamble,

512
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 2: if you even want to call it that, that that's

513
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 2: going to pay off for the charges this year if

514
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 2: these guys continue to perform like.

515
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Speaker 1: This, I think you you know you put it prop

516
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 1: you put it perfectly in context. Right If I'm Washington,

517
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 1: just pay Terry McLaurin. You've got a guy in his

518
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: second year that's coming off one of the greatest rookie

519
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: seasons in the history of quarterbacking, and you look at

520
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: the rest of that room and you don't want to

521
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: send him out there in year two with that, not

522
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: not with the one score games you had, not with

523
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: the wild finishes you had in all those games. Making

524
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,479
Speaker 1: a run to the NFC Championship where you absolutely got

525
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: your doors blown off.

526
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Speaker 2: You like, it's a game of chicken, now money between

527
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 2: between Terry's that's the guy you pay, because look, it

528
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 2: works both ways.

529
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: You know the Titans did it with Aj Brown. They're like, no,

530
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: we don't want to pay you we think there's a

531
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: million receivers coming out and we can find the next

532
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: AJ and Treilon Burks. He's already gone's draft picks. You know,

533
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: AJ's in the conversation, is the best receiver in football.

534
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: You know he's he's top five guy. So it works

535
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: both ways. But in the case of Justin, here's a

536
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: guy in. You're five, or you're six, whatever it is.

537
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: You're twenty one, two, three, four, Yeah, you're six, Now

538
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: we can do that's Justin Herbert's he's gonna he's gonna

539
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: make KeAndre, Lambert Smith and Trey Harris as long as

540
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: they're capable of getting where they need to be, He's

541
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 1: gonna deliver the ball accurately, on time and put them

542
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 1: in a position to win. Like you can get away

543
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: with it there, especially when you already have a Lad McConkey,

544
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: who we saw last year. Like that's the difference, Justin

545
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: Herbert with a rookie, is what it looks like when

546
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: that rookie's good, Lad mccacky, that's what it looks like

547
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 1: when that's your quarterback. So I think when you have

548
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: a young quarterback, that's where maybe it makes more sense.

549
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts let's get a AJ Brown, Let's let's let's

550
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: get him some of these veterans to surround him with.

551
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 3: And Justin Herbert. He's got Keenan Allen and Mike Williams.

552
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 3: Here we go.

553
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: We got some vets for him to kind of get

554
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: things rolling. And so I think that's the difference where

555
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: you can you don't need a Namari Cooper. You don't

556
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: need necessarily that that sort of player in order to

557
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: enhance the offense because you got a quarterback that as

558
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: DJ and Bucky always talk about on move the sticks.

559
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: Are you a truck or are you a trailer? Are

560
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: you pulling it trailers or is it pulling you? Justin's

561
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: a truck. You know, he's got to pull everybody else.

562
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: And so that's where you can save all this money

563
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: and and you know, get yourself a Rashawn Slater extension.

564
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: Is the highest paid lineman in the league. Maybe you

565
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: think about redoing the Drwin deal and get ahead of

566
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: that and just give him a little bit more. You know,

567
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: then I don't know who just got the biggest deal.

568
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: I can't remember who just got it, but whatever, you know,

569
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: you get him ahead of I think Jesse Bates did

570
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: he just get like ninety something million bucks. So let's

571
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: just do that now, and let's let's keep this financial

572
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: puzzle as settled as possible so we can. You know,

573
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 1: that's so this, that's what this, that's what roster construction

574
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: is all about. You're gonna have if you're gonna be

575
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl contending team, you're gonna have to pay guys.

576
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: Guys are gonna get paid, and then you got to

577
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: figure out how you're gonna supplement with guys that aren't

578
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: getting paid. So that's that's what a guy like Heandre

579
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: Lambert Smith and someone like Trey Harris can do for you.

580
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: And and that's a high a premium position that demands

581
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: a high wage that you can maybe get away with something.

582
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: Good conversation on the offense money. Let's switch into defense,

583
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: and we mentioned that the turnover differential five zero starting

584
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: with that that opening kickoff. But you know the DB's

585
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 2: you know, Nico Reid is another guy who again we've

586
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: been so similar to kle He pops, he pops in camp.

587
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: He anticipated that ball a sixty yard interception or turn

588
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: six yard shy of a pick six. And you just

589
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: talked about the competition in the running backs room. How

590
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 2: about that DB's room right now. You know, we know

591
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 2: about Cam and Tarheebe and how young those guys are,

592
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: and Dante Jackson and Ben Saint Jews, but some of

593
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 2: these udfas man, they have been popping all over the screen.

594
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: Look, that's is Kyle Allen, an e lad quarterback. No,

595
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: but he's been in the league for seven years and

596
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: he started thirteen games in Carolina and Nico Reid played

597
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: him like a fiddle, baited him right into it, watched

598
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: his eyes the whole way. Thought he had a little

599
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: window on that out and it's what we've seen in camp. Look,

600
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: he had a pick six on Herbert. You know, he's

601
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: a guy that's just he sees it. He explodes to it.

602
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: And that's the only reason he was undrafted. Probably his size.

603
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: You know, he's not a big dude. He's listed at

604
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: five to ten, So what does that mean? You know,

605
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,479
Speaker 1: maybe he's a little under five to ten. He's what

606
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: I think he's listed five to ten?

607
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 3: Is that right? Is that?

608
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: Where do we got Nico at here listed at five

609
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: ten one eight? So you know how those measurements go.

610
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: I don't believe he was at the combine, which is

611
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: wild to think of.

612
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: Right now, right right, let's see twenty two years old.

613
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Speaker 1: I want to see if he here he go, let

614
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: me see what his official measurements were, if they have them.

615
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: Uh no, see he did not get invited to the

616
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: to the combine. But if I'm to go to my

617
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: my notes here and see what do I got on?

618
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 3: What did I write down about? Read? Here you go?

619
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Speaker 1: Second most undrafted free agent guarantee behind Raheem. We talk

620
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: about roh, you know Rocket Sanders most guarantee of any

621
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Speaker 1: free agent.

622
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 3: Well, guess who got the second most?

623
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Speaker 1: Nico Reid got forty k Put that in perspective, Antonio

624
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: Gates got two thousand dollars. So talking about forty grand

625
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: in guarantees, that's the priority that he was. Let's see

626
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: that the mentor quote his consistency is the most impressive.

627
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,959
Speaker 1: The old adage is make a play a day and

628
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: people will start to know who you are.

629
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Speaker 3: Uh.

630
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: And then our friend Lance and his bio wrote punches

631
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: above his weight as a tackler and run support he's

632
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,719
Speaker 1: and what did Jesse Minner tell us, Hey, man, I'm

633
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: playing zone because I got guys that play zone. I'd

634
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: love to play man. He's a better press man corner.

635
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: And I think if that's the case, people are like, Okay,

636
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna play press man in the NFL at five ten,

637
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: that's a tall task. And so that's how that's how

638
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: someone that was as productive as he was at Oregon

639
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: forty nine games, one hundred and fifteen tackle, five interceptions,

640
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: twenty two passes defensed was his stat line in college.

641
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: And and so that's how you find these these gems,

642
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: you know, and you look, you ain't hiding him on

643
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: the practice squad. I can take that right now. That's

644
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: guy's making the team or he's going to be on

645
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: another team. That's the reality after a nationally televised game

646
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: like that, to put up that type of performance, those

647
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: pbu's and that pick, that dude's making the team.

648
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 2: But dude, I get to good, Hey, listen, this is

649
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: a good problem to have. You know, we'll get a

650
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 2: miles Miles purchase and that pick that he had at

651
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: the end of the game. But you know, Jaseir Taylor

652
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: is having an awesome camp and he you know, Jesse

653
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: Mitzer referred to him as one of the most improved

654
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: players from last year to this year. That's another guy

655
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: in this quarterbacks room. So this is another position battle,

656
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: especially going into this New Orleans game over the next

657
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: three weeks. Like who's going to raise their hand in

658
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 2: the games? You know that we've seen the practices and

659
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: you know we've seen Nico read in the practice. We've

660
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: seen just her in the practices. Who's going to do

661
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: it when the lights are bright? And you know to

662
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: see guys like Miles Purchase and Nico Reid do it great.

663
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: How about Tony Jefferson the preseason? God's playing like a

664
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: rookie that that game against the Cowboys last year was

665
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: maybe one of the best preseason performances I've ever seen.

666
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: I just love that he's out there in a Hall

667
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: of Fame game making place.

668
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking at the day. I was great to

669
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: watch man and we love Tony. We were chatting with it.

670
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 3: I don't know.

671
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: When we walked through the Hall of Fame, DJ and

672
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: I were right in front of him, and it was

673
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: so great to listen to the guys give him the business.

674
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: They were like we were because him and DJ were

675
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: talking Padres baseball and I was.

676
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: Like, hey, of course, of course they were Hey.

677
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 3: Guys, this is the Hall of Fame.

678
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: Let's not talk about a team that hasn't won a

679
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: World Series and it's destined for the wild card round

680
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: every year. It's just not befitting of the venue. So

681
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: we were having some fun with that. And then and

682
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: then one of the guys from the back is like, yo,

683
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,239
Speaker 1: d Jeff, come here, man, they got your uniform from

684
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: high school.

685
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 3: Over here. It's like the nineteen twenties. Other helmet.

686
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: There's a guy I suited up starting the Hall of

687
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: Fame game like a freaking missile blowing up a play

688
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage. It's just it's awesome. It's

689
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: competitors welcome, right. But to go back to you, by

690
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 1: the way.

691
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 2: Hey, by the way, fourth quarter, how much how much

692
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: padres trade deadline? Talk in just trade deadline?

693
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: Nope, tells you how much fun we were having. Man,

694
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 1: how much fun we were having with that game.

695
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 3: It was. It was a blast. I said it at

696
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: the end of the broadcast.

697
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: I said, look, you know, I get to do this

698
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: these games with the guy I've known for fifteen years,

699
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: one of my best friends.

700
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 3: It's such a great time. In the booth.

701
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: Love Shannon, She's part of the family down on the field.

702
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: We have a great time together. It's a great crew.

703
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people would roll their

704
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: eyes and be like, god, we got a fourth preseason game.

705
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: What a nightmare. We had a fly to Canton. Man,

706
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: it was just good vibes all around. And I felt

707
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: like that was the case with the team. Competitors, welcome,

708
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: let's compete, man, let's go out there competing this game.

709
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: And I think you saw a difference between a team

710
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: that was probably like on it be here. You know,

711
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: we had best record in football last year. We could

712
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: routed in the freaking divisional round. Now we got to

713
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: go play the Hall of Fame game. How sloppy they were.

714
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 1: Just the mistakes, the you know, the penalties, the the interceptions,

715
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: the fumbles, the turn from the Lions. You could see

716
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: the difference in those two teams. I'm not saying it's

717
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: going to carry through the season, but I think just

718
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: for that game, you saw a mindset and you saw

719
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: a focus, and you saw a what's the task at hand,

720
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 1: let's go execute it to the best of our abilities.

721
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 3: And I think for us.

722
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: Look, not comparing myself to the football players out there,

723
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: but we took it on as the same. You know,

724
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: I put a ton of time into prepping for that

725
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: game and having as many stories as I could in

726
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: case it looked like a typical Hall of Fame game.

727
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: And it was zero to zero in the third quarter

728
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: with seven turnovers, and instead, man, we got we got

729
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: competitors welcome, and we got Nico Reid, and we got

730
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: Caleb Murphy playing with his hair on fire from that

731
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: edge position, and and we got so much out of

732
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: it that it was a reminder of competitors welcome.

733
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: Ke Andre I I got to catch it with KeAndre

734
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 2: on the field after the game, and I asked him

735
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: about just I said, what did the coaches say to

736
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: you guys about this game that that had you like

737
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 2: so ready to play? And ke Andre said, he said,

738
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 2: just hey, let let your training do the talking. And

739
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: b coach said, like, this game is going to get

740
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 2: higher ratings than an NBA Finals game or a World

741
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 2: Series game. So no pressure, but a little pressure, right,

742
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 2: And they played like it, man, And you know, I

743
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: kind of went into this. You know, when you have

744
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 2: a fourth preseason game, it can get ugly in a hurry.

745
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 2: Oh but I think I think the last couple of weeks.

746
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 2: We've gotten in the weeds with so many fun things

747
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 2: with this team. There were storylines every quarter, you know,

748
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: there was you know it was it was the rookies,

749
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: it was Zion at center, it was Trey Lance. Uh

750
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 2: you know the third overtemption Tour. Yeah, yeah, a redemption tour.

751
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 2: You know, Gates is in the is going into the

752
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame on Saturday. And I think that that

753
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: was another thing too, just even talking to some of

754
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: these young guys like just here, they know what Antonio

755
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: Gates means to this organization, and I think that there

756
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 2: was a sense of pride going out there to say, Hey,

757
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: this is Gates's weekend. This means a lot to the organization,

758
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 2: and they played like it.

759
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, And I just it's the mantra, it's

760
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: the mindset. It's exactly what this team is all about.

761
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: And there's one thing that you can count on, and

762
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: that is that Jim Harbaugh is he's not going to

763
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: mince words and he's going to tell you it, tell

764
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: you what it is. And when he says we're an

765
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: offensive line team, tip of the spear, what position group

766
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: has every other position group depend on them? But they

767
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: don't depend on anybody else offensive line, and they go

768
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 1: out and they draft Joe Walt and not Malik Neighbors

769
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 1: and not one of those exceptional wide receivers. They take

770
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: the tackle and then what does he say, competitors welcome.

771
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,479
Speaker 1: And he's got a group of guys that are going

772
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: out there like it is the NBA Finals, like it

773
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: is the World Series on the opening kickoff, attacking and

774
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: you know, and creating a turnover. And you've got Will

775
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,479
Speaker 1: Disley out there. You know, a guy who's a seven

776
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: eight year vet, that's that's you know, got to block

777
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: his tail off and catch passes and all the stuff

778
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: that's put on him. And he's out there to help

779
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: Trey Lance to make sure that you know, with those

780
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: with that opening series, that he can get this thing

781
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: to look as right as possible with Trey with the

782
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: you know, the second team offensive line and a first

783
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: team tight end.

784
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 3: And look what it has.

785
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: I didn't see Trey Lance feather a pass like that

786
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: all training camp long, like his those touch passes have

787
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: just not been there.

788
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 3: So and what does he do.

789
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: He starts, He sets the tone and Trey has himself

790
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: a day man. And so I think that's it's just

791
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: a reminder of how special this coaching staff is, you know,

792
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: to have Shane back. You know, Herbert absolutely loved him.

793
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: They sent him packing, you know at one point, and

794
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 1: now he's back and Herbert's happy, and you see Trey

795
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: Lance and you know, and look, I know it was

796
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: a very limited sample, but you know, we saw a

797
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: little miscommunication on that left sideline out. DJ thought it

798
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: was an out, but I don't remember who the receiver was.

799
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: It might have been Campbell that cut it as an inn.

800
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: But outside of that, man, DJ had two beautiful passes,

801
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 1: I mean, through a freaking laser on that second pass.

802
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: And there's a guy that's in the same BoatUS trade,

803
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: the number one recruit in the nation, you know, that

804
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: goes to Clemson, plays his tail off in his first

805
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: two games, you know, against Boston College eighteen point deficit,

806
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: comeback win, and then trades punches with Notre Dame at

807
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: Notre Dame for you know, four quarters in an overtime period,

808
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: and then it just kind of unravels on him a

809
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: little bit, and it's like, come on over here, DJ,

810
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: We're gonna build you back up. You're you were a

811
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: man amongst boys in high school and you got off

812
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: to that great start at Clemson and had a solid

813
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: year at Oregon State. We're gonna find it for you.

814
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: And I think that's what this Nim Heines, you've been

815
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: out of football for two years.

816
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 3: Come on, man, you.

817
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: Want Miller on the back because no one ever asked

818
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: you what you wanted the backyard jersey to say whatever, dude,

819
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: let's do it. Print it on the back, man, put

820
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: your mom's name on there, and let's go. And you saw,

821
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 1: you know, Naim Hines, who's in his sixth season, playing

822
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: like he's a rookie fighting for his job like Tony

823
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: Jefferson was last year. There is a culture to this

824
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: team that in the era of fantasy football, everybody's collecting

825
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 1: stats and draft status and that's how they're judging wins

826
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: and losses, and culture gets overlooked. And you've got to

827
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: have an identity and you have to have a culture,

828
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: and you have to have coaches you know. And I

829
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: think that's what you see. That's the difference in this

830
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: team is it starts at the top with the Spanos

831
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: family hiring Jim Harbaugh and then stepping back and saying, hey, man,

832
00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: it's yours.

833
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 3: What are you need?

834
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: Oh, I need a big pot of cash, because I'm

835
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: gonna go sign some assistance that you're gonna pay and

836
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna pay them a chunk of money.

837
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 3: And Okay, how.

838
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 1: Much were we gonna pay your strengthen court, I mean your

839
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: head of strength and core the most in the NFL. Okay, here,

840
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: here it is. How much are we gonna pay your

841
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator millions?

842
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 3: Okay?

843
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 1: Here it is? And so I give it's that's what's

844
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: been established. It's it's more than draft picks and free

845
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: agent signings. It's the fact that they've built this out

846
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: with coach Elston and coach Clink and coach dev and

847
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: coach Hardwick and coach Minter and coach Roman and coach

848
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: Ficken keeping him around when the vultures were circling to

849
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: pluck him out of this place as soon as Staley

850
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: was let go, and they're like, no, that guy's staying,

851
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: and so is coach Gold. You're you're not gonna let

852
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: him take a special team's coordinator job. You're gonna pay

853
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: him a prim that's what we're seeing.

854
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: Chris, Yeah, you know, coach coach Herb what you're seeing

855
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: on on the field, especially from these guys in their

856
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: second year that work with coach Herb from their rookie

857
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: year to their second year, or you know, just her

858
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: Taylor told me last year when had those injuries, just

859
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 2: he had never gone through that before and a week

860
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 2: after the season got with Coach Herb and that's why

861
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 2: he feels the way he does and he's playing the

862
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: way he is. That guy means such a great deal

863
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 2: to this organization, into the players on this team. Maddy,

864
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 2: I want to shift to the to the Hall of

865
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 2: Fame before we get out of here, and I'm gonna

866
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 2: be here all week.

867
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: I want to before Chris I do want to just

868
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: get in because we only really touched on the corners.

869
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: I'll just kind of run through it just sort of

870
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: my notes from Yeah, yeah, he's done it the first

871
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: two levels of the defense, which I mean, he's done

872
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: it again. You know, Mike Elston and Jesse Minter have

873
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 1: done it again the push and I know their backup

874
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: offensive line and stuff. But you know, the Lions are

875
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: an offensive line team just like the Chargers are. That's

876
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: the culture that they create. They are going to be

877
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: a physical beat you up offensive line centric team, and

878
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: man that defensive line, and they had them all out

879
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: there and Tito's out there, Jones is out there, hand

880
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: is out there, and Jamari Caldwell. Dude, they were pushing

881
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: those guys off the ball like they were freaking folding chairs.

882
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: And it was like it goes back to the coaching

883
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: and so I think of all the groups, I know,

884
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: the corners are going to get a lot of the

885
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: attention Myles Purchase with that incredible interception. You know the

886
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: secondary is going to get all that attention. Mickens had

887
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: a great form tackle. It was the most beautiful tackle

888
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: of the entire game. Late in that game, head up,

889
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: open space, going against an athlete wrapped up, drops them

890
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: for minimal gain. Like there's a lot to take away

891
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: from that defense that played their tails off them in

892
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: my god, four turnovers right, one of them.

893
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 3: On special teams.

894
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: But but you're seeing it, you know, I think if

895
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 1: there was one, if just to make sure we're being

896
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: fair and even I think if there was one concern,

897
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 1: I think you're seeing Junior still.

898
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: Trying to catch up.

899
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: I think he's still, you know, kept kind of getting

900
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: sucked in and kept being a little bit late to things,

901
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: and so I think that's just continue to get him

902
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: the those reps so he can get up to speed.

903
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: But man, that defensive front was special. Now it was

904
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: it was special.

905
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: And Mundy there's there's so much deeper this year. You know,

906
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 2: there was a lot of lot to be made about

907
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: Puna Ford going to the Rams, but they replaced him

908
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: with like two or three guys. Uh and and to

909
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 2: to draft Caldwell two that that late edition of Tier

910
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: Tart Layton training camp a year ago and what he

911
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 2: proved to be. You bring in hand, you bring in Jones.

912
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a it's a group that it's again

913
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: it's another competition where I don't know how you're gonna

914
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: be able to keep all these guys, you know, And

915
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 2: and to your point about you know, a guy like

916
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: Nico Reid, like if you let one of those guys go,

917
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 2: he's not gonna be on the practice squad, He's gonna

918
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: be on a fifty three men roster. So the defense

919
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: and Jesse Mitch a lot of like tough decisions to

920
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 2: make over the next couple of weeks. And that's you know,

921
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: we always look for a silver lining in preseason because

922
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 2: sometimes these games get a little rough in the second half,

923
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: but because of the talent and what we've seen on

924
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 2: the back half of the roster, these second halves are

925
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 2: are interesting. I mean they're good because you know, if

926
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 2: you flash in the fourth quarter, chances are you know,

927
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: you could you could make the fifty three, or you

928
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 2: could be a practice squad candidate immediately. So I just

929
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 2: I applaud Joe Hortenz. I think that's where it starts too.

930
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 2: As you mentioned all the coaches, but you know, Joe's

931
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 2: going into his twenty eighth year in the NFL, has

932
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 2: worked with Ozzie Newsom, a Hall of Famer, comes from

933
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: the Baltimore Ravens. I don't think it could be understated

934
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 2: what what Joe has done, both from you know, a

935
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: free agent perspective and the draft finding these guys. I

936
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: said this on Monday, like you find two starting quarters

937
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 2: in the fifth round last year, if if Kls and

938
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: Gats and Pop I joke I said, Joe should be

939
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: in Canton. You bring in these impact players late late

940
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 2: in the draft money like the entire draft class last year.

941
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: You know you mentioned you mentioned Colson and you hope

942
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: that Colson can can kind of get it together throughout

943
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 2: the rest of the preseason. But you know him and

944
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 2: a boy beat. If those guys hit, I mean, it's

945
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: a it's a home run class from last year.

946
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think and I will say, like the edges

947
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: I think needed some help to. You know, we've kind

948
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: of been looking at at Kyle Knnart and haven't seen

949
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: a whole lot.

950
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 2: Left the game for a little bit and came back.

951
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, I don't know there's something going

952
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: on with him, But I think that's one Treman Morris brash,

953
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: some great some not great. Had you know, the hit

954
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: of the had probably the the hit of the game.

955
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: I want to say it was a tight end that

956
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: he must have thrown ten yards before making that tackle

957
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: for loss in the backfield. But I think the edges

958
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: is where you know, Cayleb Murphy played his tail off

959
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 1: led to that one sack from t Ry Edwards where

960
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: he came did a nice swim and swim and spin.

961
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, the edges, I think you're you're still looking

962
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: at you know, but you're talking about two lee Bud

963
00:46:58,320 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: and Khalil that are good at the majority of that,

964
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: so you're really talking about the fourth edge. For me,

965
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: it was just the fact that all those interior linemen

966
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: played and you can just see it, and I think

967
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: for people that that, you know, cause those aren't things

968
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: that you're going to find in a in the box.

969
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: And if you go to pro football focus, like I

970
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: just I hate to me, that's just the great thing

971
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: is just what anyway. I love what they do, but

972
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: that whole part of it, it's like you don't know

973
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: what the assignments are, you don't know what they're supposed

974
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: to be doing on that play. And if you just

975
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: watch the game, you could see that push and you

976
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 1: could see just how much they the bullies and by

977
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: the way, just look at him, just look at that

978
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: group of guys and you're got. We kept making the joke.

979
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, you know, you got, Uh, where's het?

980
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: Let me see Nakwon Jones out there six three, three

981
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: thirteen and three thirteen. That dude's three thirty three if

982
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: he's five pounds, you know, and just to shawan hand,

983
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: his giant Caldwell's three hundred.

984
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 2: And forty pounds giant massive.

985
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: They are massive and they are people movers man, and

986
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: they were moving people in that game. So yeah, defense

987
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: tip of the cat Mike Elston, the job that he

988
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: does to clink in those corners. What an interception by

989
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: Miles Purchase. It gave me an opportunity to put in

990
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,919
Speaker 1: my purchase more ham and bacon. You know, a little

991
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: note that I had in there that everybody got a

992
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: kick out of from Iowa State when those four guys

993
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: were together, and and yeah it was it was a

994
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 1: great night. So just wanted to get all that in there,

995
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: make sure we we tend the safeties. You know, you

996
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: saw some of those plays from from Bridges and from

997
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: Mickens and those guys you know up top as well,

998
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: just all levels of the defense playing some some really

999
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: good ball.

1000
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if I had to distill down to

1001
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: kind of one overarching takeaway, it's a very very deep roster.

1002
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: It is a deep, deep roster. And it's evident from

1003
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 2: the first Hall of Fame game. I mean, when you

1004
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 2: when you have that much talent kind of popping in

1005
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: all four co orders, you know you have a deep team.

1006
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 2: You know, you have a competition at a lot of

1007
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: position groups. And we had to see that play out

1008
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 2: starting next Sunday against the Saints. But yeah, before we

1009
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,959
Speaker 2: got out of your money. The reason why I'm still here.

1010
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: Antonio Gates getting inducted until the Hall of Fame tomorrow,

1011
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 2: and I got a chance to sit down with Antonio yesterday,

1012
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 2: and you know, it really is maybe one of the

1013
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 2: more improbable roads to Canton ever. I mean, it's like,

1014
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:31,919
Speaker 2: this guy played college basketball thirty miles up the road

1015
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 2: from Canton at Kent State, went to the Elite eight

1016
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 2: his junior year, averaged like twenty points his senior year.

1017
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 2: He thought he was going to the NBA. He had

1018
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 2: no interest in playing football. So I think it was

1019
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: like two hundred and thirty five days between his last

1020
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 2: points in college basketball to his first career NFL touchdown.

1021
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 2: I think he was wearing the number forty three in camp.

1022
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 2: I think Sam Farmer said it was a seven thousand

1023
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 2: dollars contract said it was two thousand and so whatever

1024
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 2: it is, it's not.

1025
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: It wasn't a lot. It was with less than than

1026
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: ever it was. I may have that rot. I thought

1027
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: the notes they gave me was too, but I could

1028
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: be wrong.

1029
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 2: No, it's it's it was. It was hardly anything. And

1030
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 2: to see this guy go to Canton one hundred and

1031
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 2: sixteen touchdowns all of them from Rivers and Breeze, with

1032
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 2: the exception of two from Fluti and two from LT.

1033
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 2: You got to call his record breaker against Miami Dolphins

1034
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen Week two, and that that home opener,

1035
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 2: and you know you have to call his last touchdown

1036
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 2: against the New England Patriots and the Divisional round Man.

1037
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 2: Just just an unbelievable career and I don't think it's

1038
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 2: one that will ever be duplicated. A guy who'd never

1039
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 2: played college football with a gold jacket.

1040
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, not a single snap.

1041
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:49,720
Speaker 1: And look, you know it's that the paths are the paths,

1042
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: and you can call it whatever you want, fate, destiny,

1043
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: you know, we make our own fate, We make our

1044
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: own however you want to describe it.

1045
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 3: But remember that's not how it started. It started with.

1046
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: The guy that was an exceptional high school football player,

1047
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: an exceptional high school basketball player, and two of arguably

1048
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: the greatest coaches in the history of college football and

1049
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: basketball recognized it, and he was going and he was

1050
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: at Michigan State to play for Tom Izzo and to

1051
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: play for Nick Saban. Then the two of them had

1052
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,919
Speaker 1: an agreement that he could play both until he gets

1053
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: nicked up, and Saban's like, you're not playing football anymore

1054
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: or you're not playing basketball anymore, and Gates was like,

1055
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,760
Speaker 1: that's not the deal. I am playing basketball. And if

1056
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: you don't want me to be on the football team

1057
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: unless I quit basketball, ain't happening. And then he's got

1058
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: to go to a community college, and then he goes

1059
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: to Kent State, and at Kent State, you know what's

1060
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: his dream is to play NBA basketball. He does it

1061
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: on the biggest stage. Is the best player on a

1062
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: team that makes a Cinderella run and knocks off Okie

1063
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: State as a ten seed and then proceeds to knock

1064
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 1: off Alabama as a two seed, knocks off pitt Is

1065
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: a three seed to get to the Elite eight, and

1066
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: he's their best player. And yet no nobody comes knocking

1067
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: on the door, not even with a second round pick

1068
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 1: or an offer. And he's got to be like, all right, well,

1069
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,919
Speaker 1: I guess I'll try the football thing. And it's it's

1070
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: the it is not you said it, Chris, it's not.

1071
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: Probably it's the most unlikely road to Canton ever and

1072
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: a guy that changed the position forever that you know,

1073
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: solidified the idea. Look Tony Gonzalez was playing basketball at

1074
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: Cal Julius. Peppers was playing basketball at North Carolina. There's

1075
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: guys that have done it, but not just basketball. You know,

1076
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: there's a guy I think I told the story. There's

1077
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: a guy at Alabama I called a bunch of Alabama

1078
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: games this year is the number one team in the

1079
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: nation with Robert or and he was telling me that

1080
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: there were football scouts there to watch him. I wish

1081
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: I could remember his name. But that's another guy that

1082
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: has not played. And that's the Antonio Gates factor. As

1083
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: you look out there and you're like, man, look at

1084
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 1: that body, look at that wiggle.

1085
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 3: And you know.

1086
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 1: When we talked to Nick Hardwick, who obviously was his teammate,

1087
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: and he told a great story. He goes, and this

1088
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,959
Speaker 1: is going to push forward to Philip in his Hall

1089
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: of Fame path. He's like, I don't know. We used

1090
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: to joke about it. We're like, somehow Philip has made

1091
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: a deal with someone to get more hours in the day.

1092
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: He's like, because I would wake up for coffee every

1093
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: single day, and Philip and I would get together every

1094
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: day and go through film and go through calls and

1095
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: go through looks that we were going to see for hours,

1096
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: and then I would see him go into the wide

1097
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: receiver room for hours, and then he would sit with

1098
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: gatesy and he and Gates would talk for hours, he said.

1099
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: And that's what this was. It was just time on

1100
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 1: task where you have this this ability, this muscle memory,

1101
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: this conditioning to just do it, and you just do it.

1102
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: And that's and it happens because you don't have to

1103
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: think about it once you're out there and he and

1104
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: Rivers and man, when you start going through it, and

1105
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: I don't need to get too deep into it because

1106
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: people just it up.

1107
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 3: It's just numbers.

1108
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: But when you go through red zone touchdowns, third down touchdowns,

1109
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: fourth down touchdowns, third down conversions for first downs, like

1110
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,720
Speaker 1: there's no one even close to him, nobody even close,

1111
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 1: single season or career. And he was a special, special player.

1112
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 2: He said that, you know, because he never really had

1113
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 2: this dream. When he kept racking up the stats and

1114
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 2: they're like, hey, Gates, you're about to pass Lance Alworth

1115
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 2: or you're about to pass this person. You're about to

1116
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 2: pass this person, it didn't really register it to him,

1117
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 2: the magnitude of what he was actually doing. He said,

1118
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 2: like even in his seventh year. He said, I approached

1119
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 2: it like with the fear of being cut, even though

1120
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 2: I was an All pro, just just like having to

1121
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 2: prove it over and over again. And to your point

1122
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 2: about Rivers, he said, the IQ of Rivers kind of

1123
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 2: married with his raw ability was just magical. It was

1124
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 2: just magical. And to have a sixteen year career with

1125
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 2: Breeze and Rivers as your primary quarterbacks, man, like, what

1126
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: a benefit because those guys could be wearing gold jackets

1127
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 2: as early as his next year. So I just you know,

1128
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 2: it was fun listening because you know, Sam is it

1129
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 2: has so many nuggets. He said that Gates had a

1130
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 2: he ran a four eight forty, and so there were

1131
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 2: there were scouts in the building like what are we

1132
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 2: doing with this guy? Like is he a defensive tackle?

1133
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 2: Is he a tight end?

1134
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 3: Like?

1135
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 2: And Jared Allen kind of poked fun of him at

1136
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 2: the at the press conference because you know, I think

1137
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: he said, hey, Nick nick Saban said I could have

1138
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 2: been at defensive end of defensive tackle, because well that's

1139
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 2: why Nick Saban got fired, because could you imagine if

1140
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 2: you're a defensive defensive tackle, you wouldn't be a canton

1141
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 2: man that's so great. So, you know what, I'm looking

1142
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,919
Speaker 2: forward to this this weekend because it's going to bring

1143
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 2: back so many old Chargers and there's gonna be so

1144
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 2: many memories and it's one of my favorite. It's like

1145
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 2: the one of the favorite ten pole events for me

1146
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 2: because the speech is, you know, you're always going to

1147
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 2: glean something from him, and uh, like I said, we're

1148
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 2: gonna be if you guys want to follow along our

1149
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 2: our Sports Central LA account, We're gonna be at the

1150
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 2: Gold Jacket dinner today and then the enshrinement tomorrow, and

1151
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 2: our hope is to talk to as many former Chargers

1152
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 2: as possible, not only about Gates and and uh, you know,

1153
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 2: the speech and everything, but also kind of their thoughts

1154
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: on this this version of the Chargers too. I always

1155
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 2: love kind of hearing the perspective of of older players

1156
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,240
Speaker 2: about about the new team. So hope to see Rivers

1157
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 2: and Breeze out here. Should be a fun weekend.

1158
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll tell you it was fun for us.

1159
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: And just you know, I think as I kind of

1160
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: went through, I know it's gonna be kind.

1161
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 3: Of weird, but it's it's just it was. It's it

1162
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 3: was so much.

1163
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: Fun to go to the uh to the Hall of Fame,

1164
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: and like, I just you know, there's Lance and you know,

1165
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: just all of them and I will say this, you know,

1166
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: like they like look at Ron Mix, look at his

1167
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: look at that hair, like it's if you have hair,

1168
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,399
Speaker 1: it's you know, here's sid Gilman, like the bus are just.

1169
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 2: Do you have do you have fouts? I think Faults

1170
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 2: has the best the best bus. It looks exactly like him.

1171
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, here's Kellen. I just kind of was

1172
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: snapping photos of all the guys. This Charlie Joyner right there,

1173
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: like it's just the busts are awesome. Look at Juniors Man,

1174
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: Juniors is one of the best. Yeah, that is one

1175
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: of the absolute best. There's Ladanians, but like the best one.

1176
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: I thought, like, Walter Jones is the head of Walter

1177
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: Jones is like the head of the freaking Earth. It's

1178
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: the most massive head. And then I was like, god,

1179
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: look at the size of his head. And then you

1180
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: turn around and there's Jonathan Ogden and you're like, oh

1181
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: my god, that's Jupiter. It's just like this massive head.

1182
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's a really cool experience that if

1183
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: you're a.

1184
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 2: Fuddy what what was it like? What was it like

1185
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 2: being there and seeing the current Chargers players take it

1186
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 2: at all?

1187
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the best. Like Derwin was yelling screaming

1188
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: for Brennan Rice, like where Brennan, come on, man, get

1189
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: a look at your old man's helmet, like it's just

1190
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: like cool moments like that, or given Tony Jefferson the

1191
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: business about it being his form from nineteen twenty six and.

1192
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:03,479
Speaker 3: Just seeing them all.

1193
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: And then I'll tell you the one place that I

1194
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: did see the most Chargers was the display of Super

1195
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: Bowl rings. They were all kind of looking at those

1196
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: Super Bowl rings and thinking about, you know, what theirs

1197
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: would look like. So they made this stop in the

1198
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: most important spot for sure, as far as current fans

1199
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: are are considered. But yeah, they all it was not hey,

1200
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: just kick me through this and get me out of here.

1201
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: They were all taking their time and paying attention to

1202
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: stuff and finding their favorite players and their busts.

1203
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 3: You know.

1204
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: I think I saw Derwin stop at Polamalu and was

1205
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: talking about how that might be the best bust and

1206
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: the hair and all that. So it was a special experience.

1207
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, man, based on the way they

1208
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: played the Chiefs said they want to play on Christmas

1209
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: Day every year. The league may be like, hey, Jim,

1210
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: you guys are playing in the Hall of Fame game

1211
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: every year. You're are guys. You certainly took the a

1212
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: approach that is unlike the approach of just about any

1213
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: other team we've ever invited here. And how much you

1214
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: embraced it. And oh and I would recommend I don't

1215
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,439
Speaker 1: know if it's available. I don't know how you would

1216
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: find it. But Man Harbaugh told the best story when

1217
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: we interviewed him, and I know he knew it was

1218
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: a good one because it carried over to the NBC

1219
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: interview because Mike Tarica was like, oh, he told us

1220
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: that story today. I was like, yeah, we got that

1221
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: out of him last night.

1222
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 3: You know.

1223
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: We asked him what his favorite Hall of Fame memory was,

1224
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: and he talked about being five or six and going

1225
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: with John and Joni with his parents, and he said,

1226
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: the thing I remember most about it was my dad

1227
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:39,439
Speaker 1: bought this this little facade, this replica of the Hall

1228
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: of Fame, of the facade of the Hall of Fame.

1229
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: And He's like, it wasn't our mantle forever, Like it

1230
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: was like a family sort of like, you know, an

1231
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: heirloom or something that you would put on the mantle,

1232
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: he said. And then come to find out that when

1233
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: Grandma Harbaugh would watch us and we'd get a little

1234
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: too you know, a little too rambunctious, little too rowdy.

1235
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: At the top, the fire came off and it was

1236
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: full of booze, and Grandma was.

1237
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 3: Sucking down the booze in there.

1238
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: He goes, I don't know what it was filled with,

1239
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: but yeah, I come to find out that thing was

1240
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: full of liquor. And Grandma used to hit it and

1241
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: and got he got so excited. He then Joshed the

1242
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: veep of pr was there, and he's like, Josh, can

1243
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: you find me one of those? And Josh goes to

1244
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: work and he's like, got it. Found it on Etsy

1245
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: and he's like how much. He's like seventy bucks. He goes,

1246
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: buy it, I'll give you, and he goes, I find

1247
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: a second one on e Bay. It's only twenty five bucks.

1248
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: He's like, buy them both. Here's one hundred dollars. So

1249
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: Harbaugh was gonna get his his Hall of Fame, you know,

1250
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: the entrance to the Hall of Fame replica that was

1251
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: at one point, and then we came to find out

1252
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: it was full of jim Bean whiskey is what Grandma

1253
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: Harball was sucking on.

1254
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 3: And that's the thing about Harbor. Yeah, he's got a

1255
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 3: million of those.

1256
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: Stories and it was so great and he just had

1257
01:00:58,520 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: the biggest smile on his face.

1258
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 3: I remember that, man.

1259
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 1: I wonder if they still sell it, and oh, he's

1260
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: just he's such a fun guy to be around, especially

1261
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: when you're putting football into a historical perspective.

1262
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 2: All Right, the Griball Hardball. Sorry, a good way to

1263
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 2: end this podcast, I think, guys, thank you for listening along.

1264
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 2: We went over an hour on this. So the Hall

1265
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 2: of Fame game wasn't that boring.

1266
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 3: Was it? No?

1267
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,919
Speaker 1: We made it work. We made it work, Chris. We've

1268
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: had every time out there this weekend. Man, enjoy it.

1269
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to all the coverage you guys are

1270
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: going to be doing over there on CBS.

1271
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 2: I appreciate it, brother, and I'll see you next week.

1272
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 2: We'll get you guys ready for I guess Week two

1273
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 2: or I don't know Week zero was was this week?

1274
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 2: I guess so Week one of the official NFL preseason

1275
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 2: next week against the Saints on Sunday. We'll get you

1276
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 2: ready for that next week for money, I'm Chris. This

1277
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 2: has been charges week.