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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast is thinking about Mark's slot.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another addition to Be Around the NFL Podcast,

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Speaker 1: presented by Sirius XM. My name is Dan Hanss. I'm

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Speaker 1: joined in a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling,

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Speaker 1: and Greg Rosenthal. What is up? Boys? The money dropped

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Speaker 1: against so inside baseball that we don't even get the

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Speaker 1: But that's okay, a loss someone else out there. It's

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Speaker 1: a reference to you the other day, Uh, sort of

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Speaker 1: waiting to talk because you hadn't thought about what you're

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Speaker 1: gonna It's it's got to the point where someone would

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Speaker 1: reference something that happened, like on Monday Show. I don't

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Speaker 1: remember five seconds of Monday Show. It's kind of like

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Speaker 1: with a joke, if you have to explain the joke,

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Speaker 1: the joke's already failed, if you'd explain the money drop.

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Speaker 1: But that's sort of on us because it was a

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Speaker 1: recent You're right, we can us move past. Well, I

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Speaker 1: got it. Delete the last West came up with an apparently, Dan,

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Speaker 1: you did yell like Mark, I can't stop thinking about

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Speaker 1: and stuff, so I feel like they'll got it really

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Speaker 1: at home. I don't blame you, lame, I'm sure I

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Speaker 1: did say that. I say that a lot to Mark,

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Speaker 1: both on Mike and off. All Right, here we go, Monday.

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Speaker 1: We are, I believe, twenty nine days away from kickoff

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Speaker 1: know it's Wednesday? Right? Is today Wednesday? Yes, the whole

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Speaker 1: I know you were in New York, but the whole

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Speaker 1: world moved on. We had we had our Monday and Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: A great weekend with the family, went and so the Yankees.

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Speaker 1: I got to see the Rolling Stones with my dad.

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Speaker 1: Keith Hands is the biggest Stones fan alive, so that

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Speaker 1: then straight into Hard Knocks duty is, which we're gonna

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Speaker 1: get to later. The old Douser is not clocking in

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Speaker 1: and opping into the second until about four m last night.

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Speaker 1: a nice turn back of the or sixty six. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Today's show, Yes, Hard Knocks premiered on Tuesday night, So

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Speaker 1: UM I handled the right up over on the dot

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Speaker 1: com and we're going to discuss what we took out

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Speaker 1: of the first episode, which of course features the Oakland

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Speaker 1: Raiders UM playoff predictions. It's always fun to UM take

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Speaker 1: a look at where everybody finished last year. Thirty two teams,

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Speaker 1: don't make the playoffs of that group of is that right? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I nailed it, but I wasn't like you say, show

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Speaker 1: your work, like, don't don't your work? I got there though,

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Speaker 1: didn't I. So there are ten teams from each conference

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Speaker 1: zero sum game, baby, So we gotta take some teams

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Speaker 1: They're very busy in training camps. You don't want to

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Speaker 1: from this. Clear this podcast. NFL teams, huh. Also coming

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Speaker 1: up is the news, So let's get to it. Here's

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Speaker 1: what we're hearing, presented by Sirius xm Ricky. Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: You know the season, the season. Is there any Giants

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Speaker 1: in there. You know, I think Clowney will be playing

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Speaker 1: elsewhere next year. I have a head coach, Plane Gea.

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Speaker 1: He's trying to do the Belichick things. That's right. Finally

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Speaker 1: in the news, mark your boys. The Browns ain't no

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Speaker 1: leagues to be found here. It's a new Arab Brownies football. Uh.

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Speaker 1: A little saga that broke out on Monday during the

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Speaker 1: Brown's press conference with Freddie Kitchens. First of all, Bob Wiley,

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Speaker 1: who we all remember from Hard Knocks the earthtwhile offensive

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Speaker 1: line coach big old belly, big old mustache drove a Lamborghini.

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Speaker 1: Wild situation. Um, he kind of he kind of can't

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Speaker 1: went on the radio and got after the Browns a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Obviously, he's upset that he was let go

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Speaker 1: and he found out that he was fired. He said

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Speaker 1: when he was in the hospital after some surgeries to

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Speaker 1: his lower body, um and maybe some plate platelet rich

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Speaker 1: plasma injections. I don't know, but um, Wiley basically goes

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Speaker 1: out and says, Freddy Kitchens is the coach. Come on,

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Speaker 1: he only got that job because he's Mayfield's boy, And

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Speaker 1: that led to Freddie Kitchens addressing it, saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: Bob knows what Bob knows about, how why he's not

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Speaker 1: here anymore and that. But I also, while I'm here,

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Speaker 1: I would like to make some statements about the ship

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Speaker 1: here in Cleveland in twenty nine. You know, the days

448
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Speaker 1: of inside information and the days of of unnamed horses

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that have ended. So you're not gonna

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Speaker 1: get any information like that ever anybody. And if I

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Speaker 1: ever see it, they're fired immediately. That's the way we're

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Speaker 1: minding this organization. And I can take it. John Dorsey

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Speaker 1: can take it. We won't crack, I'll promise you. M

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Speaker 1: Why how do you think he got there from? Did

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Speaker 1: you think the reason he chose not to bring Wildly

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Speaker 1: back is because he thought he was a rat? Well

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Speaker 1: he made one good point, all rats off the ship.

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Speaker 1: Well he's a huge, huge Jackson guy Wiley right, And Wiley,

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Speaker 1: like I guess, had gone on and on about the

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Speaker 1: fact that he wanted to retire, and he wasn't actually

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Speaker 1: under contract with the Browns. So it's like, is that

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Speaker 1: the guy you want to bring back as your dude?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's that. It's something like there

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Speaker 1: was some bitterness. I thought it was interesting that he

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Speaker 1: named Kenzie MPAs as the architect behind the late season offense,

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Speaker 1: not Freddy Kitchens. It seemed a little bitter. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Kitchens hasn't been in Cleveland for a

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Speaker 1: long time, but there has been a ten plus year,

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Speaker 1: much more act twenty year history of really damaging leaks

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Speaker 1: in that building, coming from multiple regimes. It seemed like

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Speaker 1: no matter what happened, regime at the regime was taken

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Speaker 1: out by really I think he was leaking stuff. We

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Speaker 1: all know that. But to me, I love this. The

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Speaker 1: thing is, it's here's the problem. Say, maybe so if

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Speaker 1: you say you're gonna fire someone, something's going to come up,

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Speaker 1: and then at what that point you're you know, you

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Speaker 1: have you're gonna have to put a man on the case.

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Speaker 1: We might get Frank Signetti on the Brown's payroll if

479
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to handle some of these cases. If this,

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Speaker 1: if someone leaks something, but if we ever see it

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Speaker 1: there fired immediately. What if Baker gets frustrated and says

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Speaker 1: something to your girl, Mary Kay Cabot. There are there

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Speaker 1: are levels of you know who said what? So the

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Speaker 1: most the most I think Freddie was understandably just annoyed

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Speaker 1: at this guy because he took some pretty direct shots.

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Speaker 1: And then the most I think direct was that Dorsey

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Speaker 1: wanted Freddie Kitchens because he wanted a head coach he

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Speaker 1: could control. That was basically what he said. That Dorsey

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Speaker 1: did not want a guy that he had to go

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Speaker 1: head to head with like he did with Andy Reid

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Speaker 1: in Kansas City and lose out on uh And he

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Speaker 1: kind of has that in Freddie Kitchens, but it doesn't

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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think that's that bad of a thing.

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Speaker 1: But if I was Freddie Kitchens, that annoys you. Of

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Speaker 1: course you're going to be annoyed by that. The way

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Speaker 1: the rhetoric from Bob Wiley as if that was the

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Speaker 1: only reason that you wouldn't hire Greg Williams because you

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Speaker 1: wanted to control you. Greg Williams comes with many reasons

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Speaker 1: not to hire I don't Freddie doesn't strike me as

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Speaker 1: a guy like a puppet that you can pull the

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Speaker 1: strings on. Too easily. Uh, that's what's happening in the news.

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Speaker 1: with the searcher a jigger of each sent then get

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Speaker 1: a full sized bottle of the one that makes it

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Speaker 1: for you. All right, let's get to it. Hard Knocks

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Speaker 1: is back. The acclaimed venerable cutting HBO hockey series return

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Speaker 1: for a fourteen season on Tuesday, the subject, of course,

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Speaker 1: the Oakland Raiders, and yes, for eighth year. These zoos

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Speaker 1: are writing up episode recaps on NFL dot com. Where

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Speaker 1: have the years gone? And getting better? I might they

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Speaker 1: are They have gotten better and better organized, but the

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Speaker 1: writing itself has gotten like you're bringing it up a level.

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Speaker 1: You have a historical grasp of the subject, some histories,

519
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: so it kind of pours out of you when you

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Speaker 1: tracked the show this close over the years, Um and

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Speaker 1: this was always once it was announced, once it was rumored,

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Speaker 1: it was always going to be about John Gruden. And

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Speaker 1: there were other players and we'll get to it that

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Speaker 1: jumped out and coaches perhaps, But the episode opens, the

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Speaker 1: first thing you hear from is John Gruden on the

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Speaker 1: field and um, and that was kind of I think

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Speaker 1: what the table setting was in episode one, that this is,

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Speaker 1: this is what the John Gruden experience is in Oakland's

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Speaker 1: here a little bit from the second year coach, and

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Speaker 1: there was a saying around here once a raider always

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Speaker 1: we are gonna be physical. Most importantly, we're gonna be smart,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna be relentless. You can lead the league

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Speaker 1: in effort because it takes no talent. It's just a

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Speaker 1: decision that you make. We have a chance to be

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Speaker 1: one hell of a big story this year. Man. If

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Speaker 1: we put our heart and soul into this football team,

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Speaker 1: we want to win, and we want to win. Now

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Speaker 1: knock on what if you're with me, Okay, we should

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Speaker 1: start doing that. By the way, whenever we're having if

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Speaker 1: we're having a show meeting and like so we're all

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Speaker 1: agreement on that, go and we all knocked the table

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Speaker 1: together that feels like a good move. Um, so West,

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Speaker 1: I'll start here with this episode. First of all, I

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Speaker 1: don't think for the hype building up, I don't think

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Speaker 1: it was one of the all time Hard Knocks episodes.

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Speaker 1: I thought the premier last year, for instance, with the Browns,

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Speaker 1: was much more interesting. I don't think this was a

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Speaker 1: dud by any stretch. But I think that the um

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Speaker 1: that you want to come out of each episode, Like

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Speaker 1: last year, it was a home run because you had

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Speaker 1: all that palace intrigue involving Todd Halley and Hugh Jackson

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Speaker 1: and Freddie Kitchens, who people forget was also in that

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Speaker 1: argument about guys sitting out practice US and that was

554
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Speaker 1: such cat nip for HBO films. And of course the

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Speaker 1: audience nothing quite that good in this premiere, but I

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Speaker 1: did get me thinking as I'm watching and how John Gruden,

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Speaker 1: even though he did the cliche trope thing as the

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Speaker 1: head coach leading up to the show's premiere where he said, uh,

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Speaker 1: we don't you know, I don't need to be on

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Speaker 1: Hard Knocks John Gruden, this is a good, good platform

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Speaker 1: for a guy who and this this room right here

562
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Speaker 1: is a good microcosm of that um because Scott. I know, Mark,

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Speaker 1: you've been outspoken on this, but you're far from alone.

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Speaker 1: The idea that why should you believe in John Gruden

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Speaker 1: is a head coach in twenty nineteen and and he

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Speaker 1: is in the midst of a tear down and rebuild,

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Speaker 1: and it's gonna take years to show whether or not

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Speaker 1: he's somebody who should have your respect as a head

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Speaker 1: coach in the modern NFL landscape. But for now, a

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Speaker 1: show like this can show what John Gruden really does

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes. And I think to me the first

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Speaker 1: episode he came off well. He didn't come off as

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Speaker 1: a relic to me um so that that was one

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Speaker 1: takeaway to me that he seemed like he was control

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Speaker 1: of the ship. He didn't feel like an ancient guy

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Speaker 1: trying to push his old teachings onto a new generation.

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Speaker 1: But it is important to know Wes and remember how

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Speaker 1: long it's been since Gruden was relevant as a coach

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Speaker 1: two thousand seven as the last time he took a

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Speaker 1: team to the playoffs, which is forever ago in any measure,

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Speaker 1: but especially in the NFL. What were your takeaways on

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Speaker 1: Gruden an episode one. I think as far as Gruden goes,

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Speaker 1: I think what you say is true. Maybe to most

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Speaker 1: people he came off well, I think I've reached my

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Speaker 1: saturation point with John Gruden, and to me, he always

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Speaker 1: comes off as a relentless hype man, salesman. Carnival Barker,

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Speaker 1: I just don't believe anything he says. Well, he's he's

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Speaker 1: great at a party, like that's what I think. You know,

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Speaker 1: they had that little get together at the end where

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Speaker 1: what was it season ticket holders or I think, and

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Speaker 1: I was just thinking, like John Gruden would be a

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Speaker 1: great guy to have a party. I think it'd be

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Speaker 1: a great guy to have on your Monday night football

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Speaker 1: work at him, like he's just great at smoothing and

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Speaker 1: dealing with people and he has a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a salesman too, and so whether that helps, yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: absolutely Whether that helps as a head coach, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: Like you know this this speeches and the knocking and

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Speaker 1: the always the raider, it's like, you know, you can

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Speaker 1: see if you're a veteran that's been there for a while,

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Speaker 1: that stuff's only gonna work for so long. Like I'd

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Speaker 1: love to have an analytics you know, uh, study how

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Speaker 1: much speeches help, Like our speech is going away and

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Speaker 1: post analytics world, because my analytics say you can make

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Speaker 1: no speeches, and it probably wouldn't make any different. That said,

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Speaker 1: because I already came in with fearing this, but I

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Speaker 1: enjoyed him by the way. I love. Yeah, I keep

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Speaker 1: in fearing this this edition of Hard Knocks for a

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Speaker 1: couple of reasons. And I would say I would have

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Speaker 1: put Gruden and Antonio Brown at the top of the list,

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Speaker 1: and I put them both in my winner's column personally

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Speaker 1: because the way they directed the episode, which wasn't a

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Speaker 1: total banger but I thought it would. They shied away

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Speaker 1: from total tropes and some of the stuff that I

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Speaker 1: saw with the Rams season that with eight minutes in,

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Speaker 1: I was done with that one. I thought they did.

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Speaker 1: They understated some things and grud into me. I think,

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Speaker 1: I agree with you West that all that stuff I

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Speaker 1: feel too. But I kind of came away liking him

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Speaker 1: and thought that he did himself a service and the

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Speaker 1: Raiders overall. I mean, I thought, when we see Mark Davis,

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Speaker 1: who knows what's going to happen there, everyone kind of

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Speaker 1: was less was a little bit less annoying to me,

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Speaker 1: and more watchable than I thought they would be. Um Ricky,

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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts about speeches and hype speeches? I

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Speaker 1: think they're really important. And Greg, that was a really

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Speaker 1: dumb comment. Wow, analytics clients. I wanted to give her

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Speaker 1: the platform. I just feel like you're like analytic show

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Speaker 1: that speeches don't make a difference, like when you're okay.

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Speaker 1: I just mean, like all these shows, there's speeches all day,

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Speaker 1: every day, and it seems like for grown man that

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Speaker 1: a Bill Belichick agrees with me, like he doesn't make

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Speaker 1: any Yes he does, but you pick and choose. You're

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Speaker 1: still dealing with emotional human beings. Here. Here's the parade

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Speaker 1: that's they're organizing Aroundy ahead of their Super Bowl win.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's the same stuff. It would mean. Like

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Speaker 1: the the amount of it in the NFL. I think

638
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 1: it's probably is a little much, but you have to

639
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 1: to get it to get people together, to get them believing.

640
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: I think it's really important. I think that's the difference

641
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: is these are NFL players. This is in college like

642
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: young kids. These guys are as motivated and as professional

643
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: for the most part. The ones that succeed as Jon Gruden,

644
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: like he's got a young roster and you could tell

645
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 1: that there are a lot of kids, obviously the three

646
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: first round picks UM and they I don't know, you

647
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 1: you can't tell just from watching a reality show, but

648
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: it did seem like they he had, you know, and

649
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: I hope he head coach would, But they're full at tension.

650
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: Their full tension was on Gruden. They seem they seemed

651
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: to be buying in. And one thing I like you

652
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: were talking about Mark about how once you watch season

653
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: after season of Hard Knocks, sometimes you see kind of

654
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,919
Speaker 1: a Hard Knocks trope coming. And that's why I did

655
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: like the scene because I don't track some of these

656
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: bottoms the roster guys. Even if p f T does

657
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: a news item on it, I'll typically miss it. So

658
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about Ronald Ali. I didn't even

659
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: watch Last Chance You, so I was not plugged in

660
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: on this at all. But Ronald Olly was a undrafted

661
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: free agent who appeared on Last Chance You, which is

662
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 1: that Netflix show, Greg that I know you're a big

663
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: fan of Um and when he shows up in the

664
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 1: beginning of this episode, you're thinking to yourself, Uh, if

665
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: you're not tracking the raider's day to day. Oh, this

666
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: is obviously a five episode arc. About Ali who who

667
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: survived community college football. Now he's gonna make it all

668
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: the way to the end of cuts. Well, no, he

669
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: kind of shows himself to be a little lethargic or

670
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: not quite all the way in he pulls himself out

671
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: of a practice miss is a training um training session,

672
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: and Gruden says, get out of here, and just like that.

673
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: As a Hard Knocks fan, that was a little jarring.

674
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: It's like when Samuel Jackson got eaten by the shark

675
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: and Deep bluecy you know, you know seen obviously um

676
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: or when while driving country this shocking movie doesth that

677
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: was kind of a shocking Hard Knocks debt, So I

678
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: did kind of like that. Although I feel bad for

679
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: the young man from the Mississippi state, there's a lot

680
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: of like, you know, this is the NFL. This is

681
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: how the end. I mean, if that wasn't an NFL moment,

682
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: I don't know what is Like it's incredible kind of

683
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: how sad it is, how long his journey was. This

684
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: is a guy who watched his that his parents were

685
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: murdered when they were both of them were murdered when

686
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: he was five years old, and he had his issues

687
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: in terms of like working hard and good, but very

688
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 1: like really likable guy that you know, beat the odds,

689
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: his first person in his family to ever go to

690
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: any college, much less you know, community college. And then

691
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: he gets through that barely, but he kind of excels.

692
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: And then he goes to like a low D one

693
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: school and does well enough to get this one chance,

694
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: and it's like over like and it's a reminder. I

695
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: think the biggest difference I think between the NFL and

696
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: those low d ones is like practice. You know, like

697
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: practice is so professional. I think if you're coming from

698
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: I forget where he played, it's like you better be

699
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: ready to to practice like a professional immediately. Or that's it,

700
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: Like that might like that whole process of he had

701
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: literally hundreds of people helping him along the way to

702
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: get to that one point, and it might be over

703
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the NFL roster. It's so it's

704
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: such a thin raise it thin line margin of error.

705
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: You could tell the way it was being presented that

706
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: he wasn't quite all the way there mentally, and that's it.

707
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: You're done. Once you're in that place and you're not

708
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: realizing there's no you can pull yourself out of a

709
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: practice with a sore achilles, but you cannot if you're

710
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: on the edge of a roster then miss a training session.

711
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: You're just asking to be sent home. And that's what

712
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: happened this scene and some of the scenes from All

713
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: or Nothing take me back to remember when we had

714
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: Kara sneed On and she had that Iceberg example. The

715
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: stuff happens eat the surface. We watch on Twitter and

716
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: we watch games, and we see the stats and we

717
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: see the play, but we don't get to see the

718
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: personalities that much or what's behind the scenes. And when

719
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: you watch some of this stuff on the reality TV

720
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: you see how some players might get a reputation for

721
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: being a little bit softer than other players, Why some

722
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: players get cut, why some players aren't playing as much

723
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: because maybe they don't try as hard and practice as

724
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: other players do, and that gets them in the doghouse.

725
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: And then there was a great comment inside the show

726
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: by one assistant to another saying how tough it is

727
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: to coach players that aren't driven the way that Greg

728
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: mentioned that Brenton Buckner, for the people that got into

729
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: NFL Network in the early days, was one of the

730
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: most enjoyable parts of the NFL Network. He was like

731
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: a players correspondent and then sort of was an analyst,

732
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: and like the networks a lot more serious, takes itself

733
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: a little more seriously than it did. Probably they just

734
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: let Brenton Buckner kind of have them to lay the

735
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: land in two thousand and six, and he was He

736
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: was awesome. You know how Sam Farmer just got into

737
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame Journalism wing for his coverage of

738
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: Los Angeles and the scene. Yeah, that's a big achievement

739
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: by Mr Farmer. That's that's your ticket to Canton in

740
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: terms of your knowledge of NFL network history, especially the

741
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 1: early days, the wild wild West days, which no one

742
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: has as plugged in as you are, Greg. I mean

743
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: you referenced it many times on the show, like you

744
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: know NFL network better than anyone else. Well, I watched

745
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: the most I ever watched it was the first four

746
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: years it was on because I'm just stuck in a

747
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 1: in a you know, apartment in New York City hoping

748
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: they have some news on for me. Uh. A couple

749
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: of thoughts we hit on Antonio Brown. He was obviously

750
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: a big part. I was so fearing the hot air

751
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: balloon scene. I thought, that's the kind of thing. I

752
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: can't say. I thought that the way that they shot it,

753
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: I want to get on the hot air balloon. I

754
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: don't want to be Dante Stalworth and crash into a

755
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: telephone pole in Miami. But like, I thought that the

756
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: way they shot it like subverted what I thought it

757
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: would look like it was. He was less annoying. The

758
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: whole thing was just relaxing. Was like Antonio. I hope

759
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: they don't have a random test when he gets off

760
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: the off the balloon out of the basket. I have

761
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: one of those tests. Probably. Well, he may seems to

762
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: be very relaxed, very relaxed. I noticed that his comment

763
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: about the basketballs they all follow out right, that that's

764
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: not getting as much traction as Jared Goff's sunrise sunset

765
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: thing east And how long would it take to put

766
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 1: two seventy five thousand basketball is in a balloon anyway?

767
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: Um Jonathan Abram, one of the first round picks, the

768
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: safety he stood out. He seemed to really like the camera.

769
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: You could either think that's fun or that could get

770
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: on your radar. I can see where you are on

771
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: that mark. I just I get I get think that

772
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: like if you looked at the reaction to there was

773
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: there were probably two camps like he's the breakout star.

774
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: I don't know star means likable, because I I thought

775
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: that he was. And I'm not trying to be an

776
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 1: old idiot about this. And there was a little disrespectful

777
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: to Grood and saying you can't cut me, you know,

778
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: no matter what I do. There was a twinkle in

779
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: his eye at he created an awkward situation with Derek

780
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: Carr at the dinner where like, this guy's taking everyone else.

781
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: It just runned me a little bit the wrong way.

782
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: And I thought on NFL Network today Steve Smith felt

783
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: the same way and called him out about hitting people

784
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: in a pathless practice, and you know, and Abram turned

785
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: around or he he basically turned around and said challenge

786
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: Steve Smith, like you'd be scared of me if I

787
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: did that to you. And it's like Steve Smith was like, no,

788
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. Like. I mean, at some point settled down

789
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: just a bit. But one of the subplots is like

790
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: how the cameras change things. I mean, someone a Raiders

791
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: reporter who's been watching all this says he thinks he

792
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: just thinks people are ten to fiftcent more on guard

793
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: or a little different when when the cameras are around,

794
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: like of course, like the cameras kind of changed the

795
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: alchemy of everything, Like I think of that with the

796
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: Gruden's that like all of it, but that's that's part

797
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: of it. It's fun. And my final thought was Derek Carr,

798
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: who's friend of the show Future m v P obviously

799
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: UM famously came on the show and unblocked Greg and

800
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: I from Twitter, has a bit of a reputation as

801
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 1: being a sensitive fellow UM and such a nice guy,

802
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: like one of those guys that's almost like you're almost

803
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: put off by it. I don't know. Maybe that's like

804
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: the New Yorker and me that I'm a little weirded

805
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 1: out when someone's too nice. Will does the John Gruden

806
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: Derek Carr, Is that a match of personality match? I

807
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: still I still have my questions, even growing at the

808
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: end of the episode, he's like telling him to be mean,

809
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: tell you know, He's like he said, like, you know,

810
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: we gotta get you angry or something. I don't think

811
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: it's in Derek Carr's nature. That to me remains when

812
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: you look at for me, the Raiders in twenty nineteen,

813
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: and beyond that marriage just seems like maybe a mismatch

814
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: of personality. Wise doesn't mean he can't succeed car going

815
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: forward and get back to his two thousand fifteen ways.

816
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: But is that a long term marriage. I don't know.

817
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: I think Derek Carr there's skepticism surrounding him, not just

818
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: what the coaches, but with other players. And to me,

819
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: the scene with Abs Kid where he said where's Roethlisberger?

820
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: I just wrote down. I hope that's not the theme

821
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: of the Raiders season. H yeah, um, there you go.

822
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: So check it out NFL dot com slash handsas every Tuesday,

823
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: we'll have recaps up on the site. And by the way,

824
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: the intro is unbelievable with the well the autumn win,

825
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: Like where else are you seeing poetry on HBO just

826
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: you know, read for like a minute, which they also

827
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: did in the middle of it. It's cool. I I

828
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: kind of like the way. I mean, there's very little

829
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: about any other team or any other sport that has

830
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: the tradition of the Raiders. Like I'm still into the

831
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: Raiders being the Raiders, that they have the Cliff Branch jersey,

832
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: that Mark Davis and Al Davis like I don't know.

833
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: There is something special about the right. I like that

834
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 1: they really played to that history. There's only a few

835
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: of those franchises, and it's it's cool to see that.

836
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: The facenda remix of the Hard Knocks theme was unbelievable. Um,

837
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 1: all right, finally, let's do it. Let's have a little fun.

838
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,479
Speaker 1: We haven't done this. We usually do this, like during

839
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: the quieter times. I'll be kind of we held off

840
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: this year. Um, when we make those fun old playoff predictions,

841
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: and what do you do? All right, I explained to

842
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: the time. I'm not doing the math again. I'm not

843
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: doing it again. I got it right. What are the

844
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: chances I get it right twice? Not high? Let's stay

845
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: out of it anyway. I reached out to research. Okay,

846
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 1: I reached out to NFL research before the show, and

847
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: uh new playoff teams by season okay, dating back to

848
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: two thousand, fourteen five and fourteen four and fifteen six

849
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Speaker 1: and sixteen eighteen seven, and so twelve teams to make

850
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: the playoffs. You do the math, it's it's the turnover

851
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: is over fifty on average, and look at the worst

852
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: of first Then when you go teams that finished the

853
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: previous season in fourth place, they go all the way

854
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 1: back to first place. It happens every year, and usually

855
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: multiple times. The Redskins did it in twenty fifteen four

856
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: and twelve to nine and seven. The Cowboys in sixteen

857
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 1: went four and twelve to thirteen and three, the Jags

858
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: three and thirteen to ten and six, and twenty seventeen,

859
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: the Eagles seven to nine to thirteen and three in

860
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. The Bears last year and the Texans

861
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 1: last year both went worst to first five and eleven

862
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: to twelve and four four to twelve and eleven and five, respectively.

863
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: So there you go, that's gonna happen again. History is instructive,

864
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: as Chris Westling famously says, thanks to um so, I

865
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: say that to set the primer that we're probably gonna

866
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: be right with some of these predictions. So let's give

867
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: it a whirl. I'll tell you how I did it.

868
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: By the way, I looked at the ten teams from

869
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: each conference, and I put stars next to three, and

870
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: then I ranked them one to three most likely to

871
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: do it. And then I did the same thing the

872
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: opposite way in terms of the teams that made it

873
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: most likely to fall out, very scientific, very scientific, and

874
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: look at the research I did. I went through l

875
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: a researchers one just an amazing crew here at NFL Media,

876
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 1: we would not be um the giant that we are

877
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: without the research team. Mark get us going. Let's start

878
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: with you, and please do not be bashful. You know,

879
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: don't leave a certain team out that plays in the

880
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: Midwest just because just because well I'm not. I am

881
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: going to the Midwest, but it's not where you think potentially.

882
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: I have had my suspicions about the Chicago Bears. You

883
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: feel like everything last year it was a great story.

884
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: I like the organization, awesome fan base. So let's leave

885
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: all that by the side of the road. Twelve and

886
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: four last year in a division where I think the

887
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 1: Vikings were still figuring themselves out. A lot went wrong

888
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: with the Packers. Last year was sort of a meltdown Organizationally,

889
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: they are reborn green Bay and I'm not a huge

890
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: green Bay supporter. But if we're going to wait a second,

891
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: I don't want to send my time out, but that

892
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: I'm coaching the game, I'll call time out. You're not

893
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: buying that you've been you don't buy that I here

894
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I don't buy them as automatic Super

895
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 1: Bowl contenders, but this division, to me is totally wide open,

896
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: and I think you've got you've got. You still have

897
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers at the peak of his career. I think

898
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: for all this business about can Aaron Rodgers and Matt

899
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: Laflour get through their how the pre snap adjustments work

900
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: in all this business? Don't care. I think they've reloaded

901
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: on defense. I like the upgrade from Dom Capers to

902
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: Mike Patton. Always have your instincts on the Packers, it

903
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: should be pointing out, have been pretty darn good. I

904
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: didn't like him at all last year, and I'm not

905
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: saying I'm signing up signing then we talked about I'm

906
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: not saying I don't like them, but part of it

907
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: is like, I don't think that there's some sort of

908
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: roving trash bag there. There's talent on it's a barrassing.

909
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: I think the Bears, the Bears last year, are these

910
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: teams where you are getting American You're getting you're getting

911
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: turnovers every single week, You're getting key touchdowns off of turnovers.

912
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: You're winning games with those defensive touchdowns by three or

913
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: four points. And you're hearing reports of Mr Drabinsky, and

914
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: I listen, I wish him well, but that he's already

915
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 1: been very inconsistent in an offense that I thought schemed

916
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: around the quarterback as well as you could possibly ask

917
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and you're asking him to make a

918
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: big league, big leap. If that defense doesn't come in

919
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 1: under a new coordinator and double down on what they

920
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: did last year. I just think the door is open

921
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: for and I think we're gonna see it right in

922
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: Week one, that there's gonna be a little bit of

923
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 1: a snake bit feeling to the to the Chicago Bears

924
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: this year. It's not gonna go just like last year

925
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: and Green Bay everything went wrong last year. If even

926
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: five things that went wrong don't go wrong this year,

927
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: and let's start with Daron Rodgers plan all every game,

928
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: then I I would be I would be absolutely fine

929
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: with a totally healthy, from wire to wire Aaron Rodgers,

930
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 1: a rebuilt defense um without Don Caper's falling to sleep

931
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: up in the booth went and key situation, and an

932
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: offensive group that I believe in just enough to win

933
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: the division or at least not take that playoff spot

934
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 1: away from Chicago. Okay, so you're doing the one for one,

935
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: you're pass Bears out and Capers. You know, you know

936
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: rest in peace. That was not their coordinator last I

937
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: know he wasn't, but but Mike Patton was not the

938
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: major issues I'm this Monday show. But um, all right,

939
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: let me jump in here and say I'm with you.

940
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: I was surprised because I knew you weren't a big

941
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 1: Packers guy of late, because I also think the Bears.

942
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 1: I am an objective journalist. No offense to the Bears,

943
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: but all the things you just said I agree with.

944
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: So I had them number one on my list to

945
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: fall out. And it's not all because I think the

946
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: Bears are gonna collapse, but because that division it's I

947
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: think year to year it's just chaotic. But I have

948
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: the Vikings as that team that come in and go

949
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: and get the Bears and kind of take back the

950
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: North after Um, what was a disappointing season. I've talked

951
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: about it last week's show. I don't need to go

952
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: down that road again. Why I think the Vikings will

953
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: be better, but they're my pick and I had the

954
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: Packers too, So I do think we're going to see

955
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: a shake up in that NFC North, and it's gonna

956
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: be very difficult for the Bears UH to repeat what

957
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: they did last year. Now, West, you like Trabisky, I

958
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: think a little bit more. Mitt Robisky could get better,

959
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: and he was just in his second year, right. I

960
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: am wholly unconcerned about any training camp practice reports about

961
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: Mitchell Drobisky. That doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter. What

962
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: I do like is that Matt. There are only I

963
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: don't know less than fewer than ten coaches in the

964
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: NFL who are great at getting UH playmakers the ball

965
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: in space, and Matt Naggi is one of them. He

966
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: did it with three Cohen last year. Now he has

967
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: Cordarrel Patterson, he's got David Montgomery, he's got Mike Davis.

968
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 1: He's got a lot more players to get the ball

969
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: in their hands. I I think that offense takes a

970
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: step forward. The defense they're too talented to me to

971
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: fall apart unless there's injuries. But I do expect major regression,

972
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: as Mark Mark pointed out, I don't expect the twelve

973
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 1: and fourteen and they were incredibly healthy last year, especially

974
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: on defense. Mac missed about a quarter of the or

975
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: at least wasn't mac for about a quarter of the

976
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: year that but other than that they were very healthy. Yeah,

977
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: I think to me, the best argument against the Bears

978
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: is just I think the NFC has so many good

979
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: teams that you shake it all up. You just look

980
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: at ten eleven teams, where four to five of them

981
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: are going to be left out of the playoffs, and

982
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: they're pants. Their fans are gonna be pissed, Like there's

983
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 1: expectations they're pretty high for about eleven teams that that

984
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: where if they don't make the playoffs, people are going

985
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: to be mad. And the Bears to me, are in

986
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: the toughest division, in the toughest conference, UM West. Why

987
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: don't you, why don't you give us um your pick? Well,

988
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: there was out of all the playoff teams, there was

989
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: one team that stuck out like a sore thumb to

990
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: me as the obvious choice, and it's the Houston Texans.

991
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: They according to Warren Sharp of Sharp Football, they faced

992
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: only two quarterbacks last year finished above average and success rate.

993
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: They played the easiest schedule of quarterbacks in the last

994
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: or plus years. They face nine backups or rookies at quarterback,

995
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,439
Speaker 1: and they had the NFL's easiest overall schedule. This year,

996
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: they're projected to have the hardest schedule in the NFL.

997
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: They're facing Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady, Andrew Luck, Drew Brees,

998
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers, Cam Newton, Matt Ryan Um and they're the

999
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: only one of these playoff teams with two major glaring

1000
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: weak spots, the offensive line in the secondary. That secondary

1001
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: a little bit was covered up by the fact that

1002
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: they faced so many bad quarterbacks last year, but they

1003
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: weren't good last year and I think they got worse

1004
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 1: this offseason. Um and those two glaring week spots they

1005
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: have are the two week spots that are hardest to

1006
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: fill by rookies. You put an offensive lineman rookie in

1007
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: a cornerback rookie, they're usually gonna struggle into first year's

1008
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: I just see this as a threadbare roster. They have

1009
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: some stars that can elevate the team and that's how

1010
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: they win games. But I don't see this as a

1011
00:52:55,640 --> 00:53:01,720
Speaker 1: as a playoff team. Cleveland Browns. There it is. Somebody

1012
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 1: had to say it. I was hoping Mark would, I mean,

1013
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: on my paper, I have something very similar exactly that.

1014
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: It's just that it feels so obvious for me to

1015
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 1: go there, and I'm a little I'm trying to simmer

1016
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: down on the moment. There's already this Brown's exhaustion that

1017
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: I feel nationally, which is tedious to me. So I'm

1018
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: trying to you know, I'm not jumping on the bandwagon.

1019
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: Is some sort of zeal lout? Is that that's pronounced

1020
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 1: I pronounced it zeal lot. Everyone else pronounced this where

1021
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: it's completely on the show, so nerd. Also, Matt Khalil,

1022
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: I can't believe that A He's there left at off.

1023
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: I can't believe that a super more hopeful is what

1024
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: you Texans think they are, is entering a season with

1025
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: him as there. By the way, I don't know who

1026
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: the d M is. I guess it's Bill O'Brien. Go

1027
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: call the Redskins. I mean, not officially, but yeah it is.

1028
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 1: It is. Trent Williams is there to be had. And

1029
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: if you fancy in cap room and Clowney's out there

1030
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: unsigned and use that cap room, use the room, get

1031
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: cap room, give up. I don't know what was it

1032
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: gonna cast your second round? Pick maybe a third, maybe

1033
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: a third and a fourth or something. Do it because

1034
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: you can't leave Watson. This guy has got absolutely destroyed.

1035
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: Especially last year. You like set records in the Beast

1036
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: sex taken since two thousand six, and the hits were

1037
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,919
Speaker 1: off their charts to yes, and here's another week spot.

1038
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: If you take out Deshaun Watson's runs, the Texans would

1039
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,760
Speaker 1: have finished dead last in rushing d v o A

1040
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: for a football outsider and they're they're one injury away

1041
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: in the backfield of having literally nothing. And yet if

1042
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: you're a Texans I agree with you. By the way,

1043
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: they would have been very close to the top of

1044
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: my list of the teams that fall off. But if

1045
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: you're Texans fans, you can't make an argument like the

1046
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: receiver group. If if Kiki qt and right and u

1047
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: Will Fuller's healthy, like that's the best receiver group they've

1048
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 1: ever had. You have Watson, you have what fully healthy

1049
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: coming into a season and I want to be a billionaire.

1050
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: There's there's recipes then it was last time. You still

1051
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: agree with you because that division another division where I

1052
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: think there's no easy games in that division, and you

1053
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: could see them going two and four. We were we

1054
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: were killing Houston's floor last last off season two and

1055
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: it's not the same. It's it's gotten worse in some areas.

1056
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: But that was the concern. They could they could be

1057
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: a playoff team where they could be four and twelve.

1058
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: They were twelve and four last year. If you guys

1059
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: make good points by the way, I but you know,

1060
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: every once in a while on the show, you gotta

1061
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: just go sit on a mountain, get your sword and

1062
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: shield out and just fight up there. So I'm just

1063
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: gonna stay on Texans mountain, and you guys, even the

1064
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: Texans guys interesting stands from you. You got like the

1065
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: catapult thing with the rock on it. Like you guys,

1066
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: you got the fire. You've been right more than not.

1067
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien's had a winning thing in the playoffs every

1068
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,760
Speaker 1: year that his quarterback didn't get hurt. This also stems

1069
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: been a great team. But this stems from a Dan.

1070
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: I believe it was an article or that you wrote

1071
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: where Houston Talk Radio was tracking you down because you

1072
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: destroyed the Texans and like they were, the whole city

1073
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: was after you. You know, the way that Bill O'Brien

1074
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: found in the worst division in football, that's the way.

1075
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: This is what I'm talking about. Because he's not that

1076
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,399
Speaker 1: great of a coach. Twaite A second, he beat out

1077
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: your colts for the division title last year and then

1078
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: got smoked sixteen games. They were the better team. No,

1079
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: I don't think so. All right, I'll throw another one

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00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,919
Speaker 1: out there. By the one thing I I was looking

1081
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: at football UM outsiders or the Almanac look at you

1082
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 1: and yeah, see preparation for a show. Everybody should look

1083
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 1: into it. You know, they're not as bullish on the Browns.

1084
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: I was surprised they see them and their projections. Greg

1085
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: and I were talking about they have them. Uh usually

1086
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: they're a little modest with they're not gonna You're not

1087
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 1: gonna see a lot of projected for thirteen point two wins.

1088
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: But they have him as an eight win team. And

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00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,959
Speaker 1: they cited, yes, the offensive line, which you've talked about

1090
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: a lot mark, but also that the defense specifically, they

1091
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: were takeaway machines last year. And if the one thing

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00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: in all these and Bill Barnwell wrote a piece on

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00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: ESPN that was in a similar realm to a we're

1094
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 1: talking about right now. Teams that will regress and get better.

1095
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: Two things that don't carry over is turnover. Right that

1096
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: very rarely can you do the same thing two years

1097
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: in a row if you did it really well and

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00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: record in um close games. So the teams and the

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00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: Cowboys he picked as a regression team because I believe

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00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: they were eight and two two in those such games.

1101
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: Those things tend to balance out cosmically, and the Browns

1102
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: for those reasons, they saw as a five night I

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00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: totally agree. Can I make one quick counter that they

1104
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: look at games where I think they had like six

1105
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: turnovers in week the Week one tie with the Steelers,

1106
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: where those turnovers didn't generate or turn into wins, and

1107
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson before he was fired, lost so many close games.

1108
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: I mean, they lost games they should have won. They

1109
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: lost games because of their kickers. So it's not like

1110
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: they're one of those teams that out of their seven wins,

1111
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: they all came in these flukey last second, pick six

1112
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: type scenarios. So I the eight wins is not crazy.

1113
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: You can also compensate for some of that regression by

1114
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: adding talent such as Olivier Vernon, Sheldon Richardson, Greedy Williams

1115
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: like the other their offensive left tackle, right guard, right

1116
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: tackle is highly suspect. Right. There was an article last

1117
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: week in the Cleveland plane dealer. Is it time to

1118
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: start worrying about Greg Robinson? I was like, if you're

1119
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: asking the question, it's too late. Why did you go

1120
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: into the season with him as you start worrying about him?

1121
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: I've been worrying about it. I think we all have.

1122
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: They have four years. They have the Houston Texans left

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00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: tackle from last year as their backup, and then the

1124
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: other statistic the data that they say, Greg, and this

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00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: kind of flies in the face of your geno Smith

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00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: Week sixteen and seventeen, two thousand fourteen, that you've been

1127
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: dying for four years. I've been I went back and

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00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: watch the tape. I absolutely would will not be betting

1129
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: against Mayfield. But they said that there's no data backing

1130
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: up a strong second half. Corroborates in two of the

1131
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: game film um following season UM. Usually the full season

1132
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: sample size is the more trusting data. Historically, I can

1133
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: still look at the throws he makes and the kind

1134
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: of throws he makes, though that'll carry over. All I'm

1135
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: saying is I think it's important with the Browns to

1136
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: throw this stuff out there, just like the Super Bowl.

1137
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: First of all, I can't stand people. I don't feel

1138
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: like if I ever done that. I'm saying that. Yeah,

1139
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,479
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm trying to counter what's annoying you. Those

1140
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: clowns are driving me nuts because like, how about going

1141
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: don't start one in five? The the early schedule is brutal. Well,

1142
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: I know that as a former Bengals fan. If you're

1143
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: trying to climb out of the seller and eradicate ghosts,

1144
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: you gotta the next year after you finally show progress,

1145
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: do not go over October. All right, we're creeping up

1146
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: by an hour. Give us one more. I gotta I

1147
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: gotta sneak one in. Because this was inspired um by

1148
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: Bill Barnwell, who had his uh five teams that are

1149
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: going to improve and get worse uh this season. We try,

1150
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: We were going to try to have him on the show.

1151
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: Didn't work out scheduling wise. Shut up. But he's also

1152
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: a competing podcast, and I'm sure he was thinking to himself,

1153
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: I'm not going on the you know, really, he was

1154
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: taping I'm not going on that show because I want

1155
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: to beat that show. He's on a day, he's on

1156
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: a gambling show on ESPN that we don't he was taping. Um,

1157
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I brought that up. It's one

1158
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: of my favorite articles every year, and I I was

1159
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: gonna try to like get some spicier ones, but to me,

1160
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: I'll take the easiest ones now that left on the board,

1161
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: because you guys have taken to me. The Seahawks are

1162
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: almost the most obvious here. The defense, the defensive talent

1163
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: is just not great. I don't really trust the offensive

1164
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: coaching staff. You have Russell Wilson, but if you just

1165
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: stack up their rosters and you put that on most

1166
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: teams like that looks like a like a six seven

1167
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: win eight when you know team at best. I give

1168
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: Pekar a lot of credit, but in that conference, I'm

1169
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: not really feeling the Seattle Seahawks, and we didn't feel

1170
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: this time around there. I just think the roster is

1171
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: even worse than it was. They have injuries, the defensive

1172
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: line especially I don't like. And then I think just

1173
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: people are ignoring the Steelers too much. Any team that

1174
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: has been Roethlisberger and that continuity on offense and overall,

1175
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: I really like the defensive talent, Like they haven't performed

1176
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: as as consistently as you would like, but for the

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01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: most part they've been a pretty good defense. I think

1178
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: they've got very good players. They've got the best quarterback

1179
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: in that division, you know, until proven otherwise, I believe,

1180
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: and to me, they should be one of the a

1181
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: f C Super Bowl favorites. And they're just kind of

1182
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: not a fun team to talk about right now. But Pittsburgh,

1183
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh put him in. I think it's fair. So you're

1184
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: not swapping them, you're just throwing them the Steelers NFC

1185
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: playoff team in this exercise. Easy to the Steelers. I've

1186
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: taken out the Texans and uh I'll probably take out

1187
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: I haven't really decided. Then you have to do it

1188
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 1: that Chargers were next up on a Chargers would all

1189
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: of you where I would go next? Um, although the Ravens,

1190
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: I think just because they're in that division, it's gonna

1191
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: be it's gonna be tricky. I doubt this was addressed

1192
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: on Monday show, uh West, but I think maybe a

1193
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: correction as an order we talked about uh DK Metcalf,

1194
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was that was my fault. I got duped. Yeah,

1195
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: there was. We were talking about, you know, whether or

1196
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: not Shawks, so we'll get putting too many eggs in

1197
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: the Metcalf basket is a rookie. Um. You know the

1198
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: guy that fell almost fell out of the second round. West.

1199
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: You had mentioned that he had been asking for pictures

1200
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: and practice and size honor and and that was probably

1201
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 1: some people a long way, but that was actually not

1202
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: a real thing, though I thought I got dupes by. Basically,

1203
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: there's a new site that is like somebody tweeted me this,

1204
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: so I thought we should bring it up. It's like

1205
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 1: the onion for Rhoda World blurbs, and I fell hook

1206
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: line and sinker for it. I have since been um

1207
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,479
Speaker 1: in contact with some of the people who run that site,

1208
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 1: and they are friends of our show. Oh they are.

1209
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to give him a piece

1210
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 1: of your mind the way you're setting up it's the

1211
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: guys from the guys who did the fantasy Land podcast

1212
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: said something to me about that it made the reddit born.

1213
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: I didn't want to bother you with it. I thought

1214
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: we just like I thought, in fairness and in no

1215
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: way West to put to blow up your spot. But

1216
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: in fairness to DK Metcalf, we're not the National Inquiry here.

1217
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: We didn't want to know. Absolutely. I was wrong for

1218
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: even bringing it up, and I apologize to d K

1219
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: and we're not the Weekly World News. Remember the Weekly

1220
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 1: World News had like bat Boy has been found like

1221
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: every week male baby born pregnant, you know, typically with

1222
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: a common theme. Um, all right, that was true. By

1223
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: the way, that baby was pregnant, which was well, no,

1224
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:48,919
Speaker 1: it was this was a separate baby born, a male

1225
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: baby born pregnant. True, male baby born pregnant. Tough break,

1226
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 1: a lot of red tape. All right, We'll be back

1227
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: on Friday with another, um incredible, cunning episode of the

1228
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: Around the NFL Podcast. UM, so make sure you check

1229
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: that out. And yeah, we have a lot coming up

1230
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 1: this season. Again, check out the Around the NFL um

1231
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: subreddit and leave iTunes reviews and leave five stars and

1232
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: and do all that good stuff that helps the show.

1233
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: And hopefully we'll have some announcements coming up about the

1234
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: twenty nine season. Exciting times, uh for both the members

1235
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: of the Around the NFL Podcast, including the wonderful Ricky

1236
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: Hollywood uh and all the listeners. Thanks. These are the

1237
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 1: good times, right they are are? You can hear it

1238
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: in your voice. Pretty good, It's pretty good. Prictor. I

1239
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: just want to say real quick, when you guys were

1240
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 1: talking cowboys, I was at Cowboys camp yesterday and every

1241
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 1: every pass was to Randall Cobb or Jason Winn. So

1242
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: watch out for for those connections. Just to heads up

1243
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: side Randall cop only write this on Jason went, you

1244
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 1: know what, save save that for the Fantasy corner because

1245
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: that's coming up later this month. In fact, we gotta

1246
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: get on that. Maybe next week, well the Fantasy Extravaganza

1247
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 1: or the week after. We'll figure that out. See, that's

1248
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: the stuff we'll do after we sign up. So let's

1249
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:22,439
Speaker 1: let's end the show. We gotta work out the schedule. Shout,

1250
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 1: it doesn't end when we signed off that we we

1251
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,479
Speaker 1: grind here, Dan, I have to sign up. Four Quiet Storm,

1252
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: The mail Man, The Old Boss, and Rocky Hollywood Behind

1253
01:05:30,520 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: the Glass Jul Friday t