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Speaker 1: Welcome bird Gang. On today's show, Paul Calvic joins me,

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Speaker 1: and Paul is in a very good mood because after

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Speaker 1: some initial hesitation, we are in agreements where I used

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Speaker 1: to say I agree with Paul. Zaban Collins is an

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Speaker 1: outside linebacker. Now nothing official from the team, but that's

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Speaker 1: what we're going with. It's Cardinals Cover two, episode six

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Speaker 1: forty eight, and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Dan, Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Who to Baker?

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Speaker 1: What Heart?

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Speaker 3: What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again.

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Speaker 3: So far hurry magic.

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Speaker 2: Whow here's Craig Grioloud.

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Speaker 1: So if there's one thing that we have learned here

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Speaker 1: from new head coach Jonathan Gannon, that there are two

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Speaker 1: things to live by team first. You second, and that's

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Speaker 1: just not the players. The trickle down, Paul is to

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Speaker 1: us here within the dignity Arizona Cardinals Training Center because

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Speaker 1: it is all about the team, and you made that

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Speaker 1: sacrifice earlier during week three on Monday, OTA's continue and

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Speaker 1: there was Paul Calves doing the good deed of the day.

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Speaker 3: I coming through. Refresh my memory, yeah, refresh my memory

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Speaker 3: here what I do exactly?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 1: Now, technically speaking, this was not during the open portion

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Speaker 1: of practice, but it was so far that I think

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Speaker 1: just a little bit. But there was big number seventy

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Speaker 1: six Will Hernandez in between position drills, walking from one

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Speaker 1: often asking someone any gum? You got a piece of gum?

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Speaker 1: Any shaking head? Nope, no shaking that. And then he

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Speaker 1: comes to you, Paul, and he looks and goes gunn

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Speaker 1: of gum And you put your left hand in your

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Speaker 1: Maybe it was a hard candy, who knows, But Will

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Speaker 1: took it, and who knows. The rest of the practice,

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Speaker 1: he was the best offensive line and at least that's

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, there might be cause and effect, a correlation

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Speaker 3: between his performance and the gum factor. Will see. I

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Speaker 3: don't think that's considered a performance enhancer, is it? Otherwise

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Speaker 3: Will Hernandez might be in trouble right about now. I

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Speaker 3: don't know if they're testing this time of year. No,

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Speaker 3: it was just gum. First off, I'm used to guys

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Speaker 3: the size of Will Hernandez shaking me down from my

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Speaker 3: into my pockets when intimidators like Will Hernandez come up.

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Speaker 3: Although he actually said please and thank you, so he

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Speaker 3: Here's the other thing, Gree is that when you're on

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Speaker 3: on behalf of the players. It's not just the trainers.

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Speaker 3: reporters as well. Over the years, I've furnished a lot

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Speaker 3: seventeen pens and three pads of paper. I'll just say it.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes they borrowed my headset. Now I do get that back.

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Speaker 3: Almost didn't get the microphone back from Doc once upon

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Speaker 3: a time, and this case was gum. And what was

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Speaker 3: kept moving. Flavor it was it was peppermint ash peppermint.

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Speaker 1: All right, So that was I would say, the highlights

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Speaker 1: here on Cardinals Cover two, presented by Hundai, pro partner

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals, and I would dare I say, Paul,

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Speaker 3: Dare I say that if that was the biggest news,

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Speaker 3: the gum story, then we should just send Cardinals cover

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Speaker 3: two right now. But it isn't, thankfully.

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Speaker 1: Now this is not from the team, but we're going

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Speaker 1: and I guess our direct boss, Darren Urban, director of

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Speaker 3: Be free from the roster.

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Speaker 1: They've issued it because the big topic conversation this entire offseason,

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Speaker 1: this Monday, June fifth, Zavion Collins, outside linebacker for the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 3: If we're all products of our education and our upbringing

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Speaker 3: So just believe your eyes. All we're seeing is Zavian

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Speaker 1: Not specific but no one's come out and specifically said

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Speaker 3: He also used the percentage thirty percent of the time

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Speaker 3: that's going to be his strength. He's going to excel

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Speaker 3: So look, there could be some packages where they run

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Speaker 1: And that gets me to this point because we've only

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Speaker 1: that we are not seeing what is Xavin doing? But

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Speaker 1: Center in Coach Rodriguez's office. Now that's not new. Players

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Speaker 3: On Monday, June fit Jonathan Gannon Older a series of

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Speaker 3: they might have a really high ceiling, But what coaches

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Speaker 3: He could be a difference maker out on the edge.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think this is a negative on Zavon

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Speaker 1: lineman front. Now what they did afterwards that's more difficult

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Speaker 1: to kind of figure out. But what did they line

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Speaker 1: up at? What was their base defense? I don't know

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Speaker 1: if the four to three base defense is going to

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Speaker 1: work given the roster into what you said, what do

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Speaker 1: you need to do to affect the opposing quarterback? You

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Speaker 1: might need to blitz more than we saw from a

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Speaker 1: year ago because of how the roster is constructed, where's

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Speaker 1: your talent? And then if you don't affect that quarterback

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Speaker 1: as a outside rusher or the defensive line, you're putting

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Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on a very young, inexperienced secondary,

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Speaker 1: specifically at the cornerback position.

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Speaker 3: Of course, with the Eagles, Yeah, Fletcher Cox and Javon Hargrave,

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Speaker 3: you had some dudes in the trenches on the defensive

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Speaker 3: side of the ball, So you played your strengths and

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Speaker 3: what you had on the roster. Yeah, the massive six

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Speaker 3: foot eight kid out of Georgia's name escapes me. The

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Speaker 3: first round pick, the man Mountain, right, he was a rookie.

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Speaker 3: So you had guys in the interior d line. Dare

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Speaker 3: I say, when I look at this Cardinals team, defensive

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Speaker 3: line is probably the biggest question mark of any position group.

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Speaker 3: So if for no other reason then you don't have

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Speaker 3: that sort of depth in your defensive line room, it's

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Speaker 3: sort of proven talent yet on this roster, Yeah, you're

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Speaker 3: probably not gonna go four to three because to your point,

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Speaker 3: you have to adapt to what you have in terms

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Speaker 3: of talent. Now, whereas I look at what we've seen

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Speaker 3: so far in the off season, and I really wonder

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Speaker 3: if the Cardinals are gonna need to add some veteran

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Speaker 3: defensive line help. Conversely, I look at the offensive line

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Speaker 3: and I'm pretty bullish, a lot more than when this

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Speaker 3: offseason started. And it's interesting because I was talking about

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Speaker 3: this in the Big Red Rage recently with Wolf that

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Speaker 3: one my takeaway is, you know what, that Cardinals offensive

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Speaker 3: line is going to be better and deeper than people think.

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Speaker 3: And then Cole McCoy said as much basically to the

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Speaker 3: media just hours ago as of this addition of Cardinals

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Speaker 3: Cover two, that yeah, you are seeing a deeper offensive line,

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Speaker 3: an offensive line than it's competing. I mean, we've seen

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Speaker 3: various iterations. I think there's going to be a competition

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Speaker 3: at multiple spots and by design both AA because they're

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Speaker 3: trying to get the best out of these players and

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Speaker 3: B I think the coaching staff is trying to discover

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Speaker 3: what they have.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up the offensive line as we

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Speaker 1: continue here on Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai, partner

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals, because there were different questions to

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Speaker 1: gan in about the old line and different pieces, players

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Speaker 1: moving different positions, and then to hear Gannon say he

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Speaker 1: might not know what the offensive line is going to

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Speaker 1: look like. His Week one starting offensive lineup might not

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Speaker 1: be known until the week of And that brings into

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Speaker 1: the question of continuity. If you want your best five,

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Speaker 1: don't you want those guys repping a lot in practice?

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Speaker 1: Now I don't. I think pushing it to week one

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Speaker 1: is a little much. But they are doing different things

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Speaker 1: along that offensive line. One, because you have not seen

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Speaker 1: daj Humphreys on the field. He's been spotted on the sideline,

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Speaker 1: still working from that back injury. Calvin Beacham shut up

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Speaker 1: on Monday for the first time least that has been

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Speaker 1: opened to the media. He's been absent from OTA. So

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Speaker 1: there's two fifths of your starting offensive line that have

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Speaker 1: not been on the football field. So maybe by necessity

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Speaker 1: there's been a lot more rotation going on.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now see we differ on that last stamen. There

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Speaker 3: two fifths of the starting offensive line. I'm not quite

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Speaker 3: buying that Kelvin Beacham is your starting right tackle and

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Speaker 3: Wolf doesn't agree with me. So it's fine. Once again,

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm just what do.

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Speaker 1: Your eyes tell us?

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Speaker 3: My eyes? Why I say? And this situation says that

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Speaker 3: it's Paris Johnson Junior is a starting right tackle. But

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Speaker 3: I'm not nearly as certain of my own observation there

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Speaker 3: as I as I am a Zamon Collins as an

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Speaker 3: outside linebacker, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: Ready to say starting right tackle. I do believe Paris

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Speaker 1: will be playing right tackle, and then it's okay, can

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Speaker 1: you fend off or can you supplant your starter in

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Speaker 1: Kelvin Beacham.

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Speaker 3: And look, we went into camp a year ago and

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Speaker 3: Josh Jones was earmarked to be the starting right tackle

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Speaker 3: and he got beat up. He got beat up by

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Speaker 3: Kelvin Beacham, And it's sort of like when they used

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Speaker 3: to run guys at a Q Shipley, Mason Cole and

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Speaker 3: some other right, and you're thinking, Okay, this is the

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Speaker 3: year that ship He's just going to be the backup guys.

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Speaker 3: He gonna be that depth dude playing the interior offensive

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Speaker 3: line positions. And then by the time the first week

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Speaker 3: of camp is over, it's not even close. Aq Shipley

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Speaker 3: would beat out all comers and you would stay your

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Speaker 3: starting center. Could something like that happen with Kelvin Beachum.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we're talking about this sixth pick overall We're talking

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Speaker 3: about the most talented offensive lineman in this draft and

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Speaker 3: the first Ohio state tackle to go in the first

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Speaker 3: round since Orlando Pace. So this is a very highly

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Speaker 3: thought up in Skis and promising player in Paris Johnson Junior.

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Speaker 3: Now to come back to your initial statement, are we

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Speaker 3: really believing the Cardinals are not going to settle on

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Speaker 3: a starting offensive line until late in August?

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that. There's no way, no chance now

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Speaker 1: public Like, again, what are your eyes? That's the theme here,

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Speaker 1: What are your eyes telling you versus what are your

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Speaker 1: ears hearing? From the head coach and others.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so, like when the Cardinals going to these joint

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Speaker 3: practices leading into the final preseason game in Minnesota, and

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Speaker 3: let's just say there's a live team session of any sort,

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Speaker 3: are like there's nine on seven or something something of

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Speaker 3: that goal line, live goal line. I think the offensive

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Speaker 3: line you're running out there in that situation is most

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Speaker 3: definitely going to be your starting offensive line Week one

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Speaker 3: at Washington. I think you'll know by then, and you'll

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Speaker 3: need to give those guys reps together by then if

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Speaker 3: you want to try and get the best out of them.

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Speaker 3: Come the opener at Washington.

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Speaker 1: Well, you heard Colt McCoy earlier on Monday talk about

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Speaker 1: how much time he and Yo the Frohold have spent

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Speaker 1: together for hasn't got a lot of starting experience at

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Speaker 1: the center position, but what he does have is that

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Speaker 1: relationship with offensive coordinator Drew Petsing and the knowledge of

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Speaker 1: that offense that Petsing ran with the Cleveland Browns, which

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Speaker 1: is now coming here to the Arizona Cardinals. As far

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Speaker 1: as what we've heard, a little bit more of a

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Speaker 1: rushing attack, the ground game is going to be more prevalent.

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Speaker 1: The ten personnel, which was, in Colt's own words, the

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Speaker 1: identity of the previous regime, that's gonna go out the window.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna see a lot more to tight end sets. Again,

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Speaker 1: those were Colt McCoy's words on Monday.

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Speaker 3: And they were echoed last week by Trey McBride when

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Speaker 3: he was on ninety eighty seven Arizona Sports. He said

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Speaker 3: essentially a lot more eleven and twelve personnel, even some

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Speaker 3: thirteen personnel, which still begs the question to me, after

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Speaker 3: defensive lineman, is this a GM MONIASI We're gonna add

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Speaker 3: another tight end or two going into camp. I'm very

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Speaker 3: curious about that.

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Speaker 1: Might just depend on the event bailability of zach Ertz,

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Speaker 1: maybe who's been seen on the sideline working and ramping

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Speaker 1: up his rehab. But is he available. Is he going

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Speaker 1: to be available week one? That's his goal, he's publicly stated.

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Speaker 1: But to your point, if you're going to run multiple

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Speaker 1: tight ends, you better have multiple tight ends on your roster.

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Speaker 3: The honest answer was, we don't know. Between zach Ertz

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Speaker 3: and Kyler Murray, no one truly knows what is the timetable,

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Speaker 3: what's realistic. We do know that Brees Hall, the rookie

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Speaker 3: running back last year at Iowa State for the New

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Speaker 3: York Jets, went down in week seven with the torny ACL.

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Speaker 3: He's already back in Jets camp and they clocked him

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Speaker 3: at twenty two miles per hour. Wow on the next gen.

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Speaker 3: I mean, so like he looks really good. So we'll see.

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Speaker 3: We can only hope, if you're a Cardinals fan, that

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Speaker 3: zach Ertz and Kyler Murray make such a recovery that quick.

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Speaker 3: But getting back to Cole McCoy and what this offense

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Speaker 3: is going to look like towards the end, after we

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Speaker 3: he's warmed up a little bit. I lopped out there

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Speaker 3: a question towards the end. Hey, James Connor said, one

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Speaker 3: of the things he's really looking forward to most is

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Speaker 3: running the ball more in this new offense. You know,

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Speaker 3: what can you tell so far? How different is it

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Speaker 3: going to be? The mentality, just sort of the approach

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Speaker 3: on offense, And he said, among other things, he said,

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Speaker 3: what we're doing right now is very similar to the

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Speaker 3: way that I played most of my career. We're huddling,

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Speaker 3: we're using cadence. You know, we're doing a lot of

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Speaker 3: new things for the Cardinals as opposed to last year.

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Speaker 3: And so yeah, I think they are going to be

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Speaker 3: a much more traditional offense. And I do believe, just

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Speaker 3: my gut feeling that Colt to start the season will

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Speaker 3: be under center much more than we've ever seen in

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Speaker 3: the past. So you know, it's I just think and look,

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Speaker 3: I'll say this much his comments on the on the

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Speaker 3: offensive line. For those people who believe the Cardinals have

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Speaker 3: a chance to defy the pessimism, right the doubters. Dare

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Speaker 3: I say the haters out there that the Cardinals is

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Speaker 3: going to be big time underdogs in every single game

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Speaker 3: they play this season? If there's one path to exceeding expectations.

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Speaker 3: It's having a good offensive line. Yes, you lost DeAndre Hopkins.

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Speaker 3: Yes you may not have some other weapons like some

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Speaker 3: of the other teams, but guess what, if you have

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Speaker 3: a stout offensive line, it makes up for a lot

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Speaker 3: of that. Just like conversely, look at the Rams last year,

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Speaker 3: they had zero offensive line disaster, didn't met Cooper Cup

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Speaker 3: didn't have nearly the same season once Andrew Whitworth was gone,

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Speaker 3: and that offensive line was a liability. Those players in

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Speaker 3: the Rams couldn't do nearly what they had done the

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Speaker 3: year or two before because the Rams all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: the Rams offensive line was a disaster and honestly doesn't

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Speaker 3: look like it'll be much better this year. So to me,

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Speaker 3: if you're looking to either believe or discredit a certain team,

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Speaker 3: just look at the offensive line and I think that'll

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Speaker 3: tell you a lot about their fortunes that season.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be individually the best five individuals,

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Speaker 1: but collectively as a group the offensive line, are you

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Speaker 1: protecting the quarterback? Are you opening up rushing lanes? And

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Speaker 1: just to hear Colt talk about Froholtz as mentioned, even

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Speaker 1: kind of like having a Rodney Hudson out there. Again,

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Speaker 1: not comparing the two, but as far as a center

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Speaker 1: that can identify the defense, make the proper line calls,

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Speaker 1: the line checks, which makes it easier for the guys

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Speaker 1: on either side and for the quarterback behind him as well.

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Speaker 1: You need someone on that offensive line who's smart enough.

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Speaker 1: And I think maybe the talent and this might go

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Speaker 1: for the entire roster, Paul. The talent might not be

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Speaker 1: where everyone wants it to be. But it's more than

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Speaker 1: just talent that wins football games. Do you know where

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Speaker 1: what you're doing where you're supposed to be, because talent

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Speaker 1: always doesn't win in this game.

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Speaker 3: And let's face it, you know, mental errors and discipline

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Speaker 3: was an issue last year in that four win season.

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Speaker 3: Zamon Collins getting back to Zamon, told a story about

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Speaker 3: the head coach put him on blast because day one,

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Speaker 3: he walked into the team meeting and he had his

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Speaker 3: bowl as scrambled a gigs, which he had done historically

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Speaker 3: and that was just part of his routine. He'd walk

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Speaker 3: in with breakfast in hand to the first team meeting

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Speaker 3: of the day. He walked in the next day and

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Speaker 3: big number twenty five was up on the PowerPoint slideboard.

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Speaker 3: He's like, geez, why is my number up there? And

647
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Speaker 3: then he found out that he'd been admonished by the

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Speaker 3: head coach. No eating in the team meetings. Just get

649
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Speaker 3: there ten minutes earlier and have your breakfast and be

650
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Speaker 3: ready to go, because if you're eating, you're not fully

651
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Speaker 3: vested into what's on the board. And look, I like that.

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Speaker 3: Now these are grown men eating in the meeting room.

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Speaker 3: You said, Ah, what's the big deal. That's not gonna

654
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Speaker 3: win or lose you a game. Well, the mentality will, though,

655
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Speaker 3: because in the NFL, little things are big things. Little

656
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Speaker 3: things get you beat. The talent is good enough on

657
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Speaker 3: virtually every team unless you're an out, absolute outlier on

658
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Speaker 3: either side of the equation. It's those little things when

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Speaker 3: the vast majority of games are decided by a touchdown

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Speaker 3: or less, which means the last majority of games come

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Speaker 3: down to a handful of plays, and it can be

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Speaker 3: any aspect. And then if you have a team where

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Speaker 3: different guys are taking their turn, making different mistakes at

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Speaker 3: different times in a game, guess what. You've got a

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Speaker 3: sub five hundred team. You've got a team with a

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Speaker 3: losing season. And as long as we're in the trust

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Speaker 3: treet that was the Cardinals last year. Different guys taking

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Speaker 3: their turn to make their one air. Now, if you

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Speaker 3: have the discipline and you can eliminate that, guess what,

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Speaker 3: you're on a path to being a winning franchise.

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Speaker 1: Again, Zavin added about the different vibe in the building

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Speaker 1: and that there is pressure, but in the good kind.

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Speaker 1: As far as jobs on the line, this is what

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Speaker 1: is required of everyone because everyone has a job to do.

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Speaker 1: And your point, if you're not doing your job, or

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Speaker 1: if you're not paying attention, one hundred percent of your

677
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Speaker 1: attention and focus should be on what is upfront in

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Speaker 1: those meeting rooms because if it's not, then how you

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Speaker 1: prepare is how you play.

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Speaker 3: What you have no equity built up with this coaching staff.

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Speaker 3: Zero Yeah, they can say okay, Cole McCoy's in his

682
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Speaker 3: fourteenth season, zam and Collins, former first round pick, Okay,

683
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Speaker 3: what have you done for us? What have you done

684
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Speaker 3: for this regime? These decision makers need to come to

685
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Speaker 3: a conclusion about how you serve this team. And so

686
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Speaker 3: for that reason, when zam and Collins says guys are

687
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Speaker 3: feeling the pressure, I think he means in more ways

688
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Speaker 3: than one in that Guess what, I have to reprove

689
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Speaker 3: myself all over again. There is nothing built up with

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Speaker 3: my position coach, nothing built up with my coordinator and

691
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Speaker 3: the head coach, a new GM when they're out there

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Speaker 3: practicing and going through even things that you know most

693
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Speaker 3: people would deem as meaningless as an ota, Guess what,

694
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Speaker 3: there's all new sets eyes out there watching and observing

695
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Speaker 3: and trying to decide mania support is out there or

696
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Speaker 3: the bucket hat on and the sunglasses incognito saying Okay,

697
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Speaker 3: do I need to bolter this position room or not?

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Speaker 3: What do I have out here? So yes, you couldn't

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Speaker 3: feel it. There's a different vibe. And I think also

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Speaker 3: that pressure is palpable right now, as there has already

701
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Speaker 3: been a lot of change, and I wouldn't be surprised

702
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Speaker 3: if by the end of camp there's a lot more change,

703
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Speaker 3: because I don't see many allegiances between the new decision

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Speaker 3: makers and the existing roster.

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Speaker 1: Colet McCoy going into his fourteenth season talking about how

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Speaker 1: important these days are because he feels and I'm putting

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Speaker 1: words in his mouth, but just listening to him, this

708
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Speaker 1: is all new to him. It's almost like to your point,

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Speaker 1: he has to reprove himself no different than anyone else,

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Speaker 1: despite the fact that he's got double digit years in

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Speaker 1: the league on him. But he is no different than

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Speaker 1: a B. J. O Jilari who was coming in as

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Speaker 1: a rookie, or a Paris Johnson junior who's coming in

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Speaker 1: as a rookie. You're all on evil footing as far

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Speaker 1: as what you know that this coaching staff wants and

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Speaker 1: expects out of you.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you come out there and you get

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Speaker 3: out played by David Blou or Jeff driscoll, then why

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Speaker 3: is the coaching staff beholden to you? Cole McCoy, We

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Speaker 3: have two other veteran quarterbacks. You might be number one

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Speaker 3: on the people's depth chart right now, but we have

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Speaker 3: no idea what the depth chart looks like inside the

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Speaker 3: head coach, the head coach's office, or up in the

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Speaker 3: war room wall for the GM. Yeah, okay, we might

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Speaker 3: be penciling in Cole McCoy right now. How do we

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Speaker 3: know based on what so we'll see, you know, how

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Speaker 3: are things going behind the scenes? Now? Look, if you're

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Speaker 3: telling me he was gonna be your Week one quarterback

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Speaker 3: minus Kyler Murray, I'm guessing it's Cole McCoy. But if

730
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Speaker 3: it's really close and at driscoll or David Blouse balls out,

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Speaker 3: and then you have the rookie Clayton Tune, I'm guessing,

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Speaker 3: is going to be on this roster regardless. We're already

733
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Speaker 3: we've already heard enough good things about Clayton Tune and

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Speaker 3: what he's done that he's going to get every opportunity.

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Speaker 3: I think in August in the preseason games. At the

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Speaker 3: very least, I think they'll give him the second half

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Speaker 3: of every preseason game. There's that's just my guess, and

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Speaker 3: then they'll see what the kid has and uh, once again,

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Speaker 3: you know why, why would why would a Colt McCoy

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Speaker 3: not be feeling the pressure himself for even though he

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Speaker 3: has everything he's done in this league for nearly fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: Good news for Colt, though he says he's one hundred

743
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Speaker 1: percent healthy, he was dealing with an elbow issue. That

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Speaker 1: is why he had not been throwing early in offseason workouts.

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Speaker 1: But he is ready to go. And there's no reason

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Speaker 1: why if it's not Kyler Murray week one, that it

747
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be Colt McCoy. But to your point, we don't know,

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Speaker 1: we think we know what's going to happen. We just

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Speaker 1: don't know. But goes back to how we begin this show,

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Speaker 1: what do our eyes tell us? Zavon Collins is an

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Speaker 1: outside linebacker and right now Colt McCoy throwing the ball

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Speaker 1: and he's looking pretty good at him.

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Speaker 3: So look, I just think when you look at this team,

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Speaker 3: there are so many questions that still need to be answered,

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Speaker 3: and you're gonna go into camp and it's gonna be

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Speaker 3: it's gonna be eventful. I think it's going to This

757
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Speaker 3: isn't the two thousand and six Cardinals where they come

758
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Speaker 3: in after the thirteen and three year in a trip

759
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: to the NFC Championship and training camp was utterly disposable.

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Speaker 3: They knew exactly what their starting lineup was, they knew

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Speaker 3: everybody's roles. Just try and keep everyone healthy. Let's roll

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Speaker 3: in and try and make it to the super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Remember it's not about the super Bowl, it's about a

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Speaker 3: super Bowl ring was the words of Bruce arians. This

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Speaker 3: is going to be completely different going into this training camp.

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Speaker 3: You're not necessarily saving anyone for anything. I don't know

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Speaker 3: exactly how physical it's going to be in this training camp.

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Speaker 3: You're getting different reports as to how the Eagles did it,

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Speaker 3: for example a year ago, but once again the Eagles

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Speaker 3: were coming off a playoff appearance, and so we'll see.

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Speaker 3: I'm very curious. But if nothing else, I think that

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Speaker 3: especially with full pads on, this coaching staff and Giammani

773
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Speaker 3: osipoord still have a lot to figure out about their

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Speaker 3: own roster and they want to see it with their

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Speaker 3: own eyes. Sure you can see it on film, they

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Speaker 3: want to see it for themselves in real time.

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Speaker 1: Well, they brought in an number of new faces, a

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Speaker 1: lot of rookies as well. And speaking of the rookies,

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Speaker 1: the Newest Flight Plan episode, which will debut on Thursday,

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Speaker 1: June eighth, at seven pm on the Cardinals official YouTube channel,

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Speaker 1: will be all about the rookies. Take you inside the

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Speaker 1: draft room on day one, Paris Johnson's first visit to

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Speaker 1: the facility, rookie mini camp, the rookies at a DBAs

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Speaker 1: game over the weekend. I'm looking forward to how much

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Speaker 1: we get to see outside of what we haven't already

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Speaker 1: seen before. As far as that night one of Draft night, Yes,

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Speaker 1: and those twenty minutes well felt like twenty minutes, but

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Speaker 1: really ten minutes less than that, as far as the

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Speaker 1: chaotic scene inside the draft room where general manager Monty

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Speaker 1: Austin Ford worked two different deals in order to get

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Speaker 1: Paris Johnson Junior in addition to draft picks in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this Cardinals flight plan is going to take us

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Speaker 3: inside the war room. That's why worth the price of

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Speaker 3: admission alone, just some of that footage, because anecdotally, the

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Speaker 3: more I hear about Draft night in the Cardinals war

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Speaker 3: room and mantiasa Fort taking multiple teams on multiple lines

798
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Speaker 3: under the two minute warning on the clock, there were

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Speaker 3: some people who internally were gripping in there like, okay,

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Speaker 3: anytime now, do we have a decision? I need the card?

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Speaker 1: Do we have a deal?

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Speaker 3: Be the card. We've got a rookie GM. He knows

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Speaker 3: what he's doing, right, and then turns out he did,

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Speaker 3: And turns out it was a home run. You have

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Speaker 3: the Houston Texans first round pick next year, and you

806
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Speaker 3: got the player you wanted in that future tackle Paris

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Speaker 3: Johnson Junior. But doesn't mean there wasn't a lot of

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Speaker 3: drama and a lot of beads of sweat on people's

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Speaker 3: foreheads as they went through that process.

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Speaker 1: Drop from three to twelve, move from twelve to six.

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Speaker 1: How much we see? That's hey. The newest episode of

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Speaker 1: Flight Plan coming up on Thursday, June eighth, seven pm

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Speaker 1: on the Cardinals official YouTube channel. And on that note,

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Speaker 1: we'll put a lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover

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Speaker 1: two where it was all about Paul Calvc. No, yes,

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Speaker 1: it is all about Paul Calvc. The edition of Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover two brought to you by Hyundai, proud partner of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our executive

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Speaker 1: producer Jim al Mahundra for the man himself, Paul Calvc.

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Speaker 1: I am merely Craig Realou. We'll talk to you next

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Speaker 1: time here on Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Anybody got a stick of gum