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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast. The I'm All Shook Up addition,

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Speaker 1: as I catch up with Nick Shook from NFL dot

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Speaker 1: Com to discuss the Bengals roster additions, subtractions, and the

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Speaker 1: team's biggest burning question heading into the draft. Then I'll

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Speaker 1: be joined by my colleague Marissa Contapelli, the Bengals team

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Speaker 1: reporter and host of Bengals Weekly. She's been all over

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Speaker 1: various mock drafts or Bengals dot Com, so we'll discuss

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Speaker 1: the names that pop up most frequently and take a

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Speaker 1: shot at our own three round mock draft. Spoiler alert,

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Speaker 1: credit to the Reds for honoring the Bengals on opening Day.

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow throughout the ceremonial first pitch does Zach Taylor

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Speaker 1: no less, and Jamar Chase, the NFL's offensive Rookie of

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Speaker 1: Award to Jonathan India. That was cool symmetry. We knew

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Speaker 1: chant before the first pitch. Cincinnati has long been called

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Speaker 1: in a football world. Nothing unites a city like a

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Speaker 1: contending NFL team, and Cincinnati has fallen head over heels

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Speaker 1: in love with the reigning AFC champs. Now time to

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Speaker 1: get to my first guest, Nick Shook from NFL dot Com.

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Speaker 1: You've got a great piece on NFL dot Com this

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Speaker 1: week called the AFC Roster Reset. You take a look

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Speaker 1: at every team's best editions, key losses, and their burning

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Speaker 1: question heading into the draft. Let's start with the Bengals

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Speaker 1: and their additions. How did Duke Tobin do in your opinion, Well,

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Speaker 1: Twitter at the Nick Shook. Let's move to the key

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Speaker 1: as the center, can move over play left guard. He

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Speaker 1: played left guard last year for the Patriots, so that

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Speaker 1: would not be a big deal. But there are some

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Speaker 1: red flags with Linderbaumb. He's got short arms thirty one

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Speaker 1: and seven eighth inch arms, teams like thirty three, He's

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Speaker 1: less than thirty two. He's not a huge guy. Kind

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Speaker 1: of the comp for him, though, is a familiar name

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Speaker 1: for a lot of people around here. Jason Kelsey from

435
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Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles who went to U see tremendous range,

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Speaker 1: ability to get to the second level and block linebackers. So,

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Speaker 1: like I said, I'm kind of obsessed with Tyler Linderbaum,

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Speaker 1: But as you pointed out, I don't know if he's

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Speaker 1: going to be there. When you look at these big boards,

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Speaker 1: he's typically more like in the fourteenth or fifteenth best

441
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Speaker 1: overall player in the draft as opposed to the thirty

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Speaker 1: first because he's a center and teams only need one

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Speaker 1: starting center. Maybe that allows him to slide down to

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Speaker 1: thirty one. But I don't know. In my gut, I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's going to happen. I'm with you, Dan,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to be there. I've been

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Speaker 1: a little surprise that he has been in every single

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Speaker 1: mock draft for that reason. You look at other teams

449
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Speaker 1: and a lot of our teams do need a center,

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Speaker 1: and so I just think with his upside, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know you did call it a couple of the

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Speaker 1: red flags, which are absolutely valid, I don't I would

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Speaker 1: be surprised if he was still on the board at

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Speaker 1: thirty one. I just I think a player or I've

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Speaker 1: excuse me, I think a team is going to take

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Speaker 1: a chance on him ahead of us choosing thirty one,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's going to be Baltimore. It makes

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Speaker 1: me feel even worse, but they lost their center in

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Speaker 1: free agency. I just I have this strange hunch that

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Speaker 1: the Ravens are going to foil my hopes for getting

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Speaker 1: Tyler Linderbaum, but if he's there, The Bengals have a

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Speaker 1: history of taking centers. Their first ever draft pick obviously

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Speaker 1: was Bob Johnson. He was a center. They've drafted Blair Bush,

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Speaker 1: Dave Remington, Billy Price all his first round centers. Billy

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Speaker 1: unfortunately didn't work out that well, but who knows, maybe

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Speaker 1: he will become the fifth center selected in the first round.

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Speaker 1: Now you mentioned some of the cornerbacks that have been

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Speaker 1: coming up. I think this is the positional need that

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Speaker 1: makes the most sense. They obviously have their top three back,

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Speaker 1: but Eli Apple only signed a one year deal to

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Speaker 1: come back. Who knows if he'll signed another extension if

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Speaker 1: he has another good year. But in any case, you'd

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Speaker 1: like to get a young, talented cornerback into the pipeline,

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Speaker 1: and there should be a good one there at thirty

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Speaker 1: one there really should, you know. You look at the

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Speaker 1: names that have been kind of thrown around in the

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Speaker 1: first and second round when it comes to cornerback, and

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of talent, and you know a decent

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Speaker 1: amount of depth to that position. I would fully anticipate

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Speaker 1: the Bengals looking to target that early in the draft,

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Speaker 1: and in just some of the names that we've that

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Speaker 1: I've shared earlier, I mean, Kyler Gordon is kind of

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Speaker 1: the one that sticks out to me. He's been the

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Speaker 1: name I've seen most often on mock drafts from a

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Speaker 1: handful of different experts. A lot of people feel like

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Speaker 1: he will just be a good fit when you have

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Speaker 1: chittabe A Woozier and Mike Hilton and just kind of

488
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Speaker 1: shaping out the rest of that cornerbacks room, and that

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Speaker 1: while he might be a little on the raw side,

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Speaker 1: they have the time to develop him because of Eli

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Speaker 1: Apple being on a one year deal and so you're

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Speaker 1: not putting Kyler Gordon into an immediate starting position. You

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Speaker 1: can develop him a little bit, work him in because

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Speaker 1: you have that flexibility with Eli Apple, you know, still

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Speaker 1: here for at least one more season. You know. Andrew

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Speaker 1: Booth is another one that you know is really intriguing

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Speaker 1: to me. You know, he's been dealing with some injuries.

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Speaker 1: Didn't work out Combine, didn't work out of the Pro

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Speaker 1: day due to different core injuries and hamstring injuries. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you kind of like what you've

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Speaker 1: seen when he did on tape at Clemson UM and

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Speaker 1: he's just a guy that I think if healthy would

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Speaker 1: come in and be able to fill that slot right away.

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Speaker 1: And then I mean Kyrie Lamb you know the tape

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Speaker 1: you see of him, and you know Florida being in

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Speaker 1: you know, just that conference down there. I mean just

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Speaker 1: five interceptions, twenty passes defended during his time there. He's

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Speaker 1: just just screams athleticism when you watch him on tape. Dan,

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Speaker 1: That's who mel Kiper has the Bengals selecting, and he

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Speaker 1: actually had the Bengals trading down into early in the

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Speaker 1: second round and still being able to get him. You

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Speaker 1: mentioned Kyler Gordon. His name does come up a lot

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Speaker 1: Lands zerline. Who's another prominent draft guru. I had him

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Speaker 1: on my podcast a few weeks ago. That's who he

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Speaker 1: has the Bengals selecting with a thirty first overall pick. One.

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Speaker 1: Thing about Kyler Gordon that kind of makes sense. He's

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Speaker 1: got a lot of special teams experience at Washington and

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, probably wouldn't start from day one for Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: so you'd want him to contribute on special teams. I

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Speaker 1: do think that that would make some sense. It is

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Speaker 1: about time for the Bengal selected to select a cornerback

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Speaker 1: in the first round. They had this history where they

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Speaker 1: did it every other year, Will Jackson twenty sixteen, dark

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Speaker 1: Quesdnar twenty fourteen, Dray Kirkpatrick twenty twelve, Leon Hall, and

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Joseph two thousand and seven, two thousand and six.

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Speaker 1: So they had five cornerbacks taken in the first round

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Speaker 1: in a ten year period. They haven't done it in

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Speaker 1: the last five years. I do think history often points

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Speaker 1: in the right direction when we're trying to evaluate what

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Speaker 1: the Bengals are going to do. So I think there's

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Speaker 1: a very strong possibility if one of those guys that

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Speaker 1: you mentioned is there at thirty one, that's the way

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Speaker 1: they go. I agree with you, especially look at the

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Speaker 1: last couple of years, and it's been the Bengals really

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Speaker 1: trying to retool the offensive side of the ball, and

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Speaker 1: so it makes sense you're going to take a Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 1: You're going to take a Jamar Chase, and so I

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Speaker 1: think this is the year where they've done They've done

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Speaker 1: a lot on the defensive side over the last two years,

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Speaker 1: but they're not quite done. Dan. They need a couple

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Speaker 1: extra pieces on that side of the ball, and I

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Speaker 1: think it makes the world of sense if one of

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Speaker 1: those strong cornerbacks are there at thirty one, to go

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Speaker 1: ahead and take them. We're visiting with Marissa Contapelli. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about the Bengals draft. Marissa has been posting mock

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Speaker 1: drafts on a regular basis on Bengals dot com. Now,

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Speaker 1: early in the mock drafts, as you mentioned, a lot

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Speaker 1: of people were pointing toward offensive lineman. Guards kept coming

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Speaker 1: up early on Kenyan Greene from Texas A and m

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Speaker 1: Zion Johnson from Boston College. I don't know if either

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Speaker 1: of those guys is going to be there, but when

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Speaker 1: he talked about Tyler Linderbaum and the possibility of Ted

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Speaker 1: Carriss moving from center to guard, if you take a guard,

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Speaker 1: you don't have to do that. You would plug that

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Speaker 1: person into the mix with Jackson, Carmen and others to

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Speaker 1: be the next starting left guard and complete the total

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Speaker 1: transformation the Bengals offensive line. You're absolutely right, and that's

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Speaker 1: certainly an area they can still look to go at

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Speaker 1: at thirty one if one of those guys is on

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Speaker 1: the board. I mean, I can't help but love the

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Speaker 1: thought of having an additional couple of young, talented offensive

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Speaker 1: lineman and the hands of Frank Pollock and let him

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Speaker 1: help develop them, help get them to where the Bengals

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Speaker 1: are going to need them in a year or two

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Speaker 1: years from now. Not saying these guys have to come

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Speaker 1: in and start day one, because what the Bengals were

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Speaker 1: able to do in free agency this year have given

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Speaker 1: them that flexibility to have some of those vettering guys

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Speaker 1: on the offensive line, but absoluely able to take one

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Speaker 1: or two in the early stages of the draft if

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Speaker 1: they want to, and to be able to help develop

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Speaker 1: and really shape up this offensive line to really excel

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Speaker 1: here in the next few years. Stan. Let me give

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Speaker 1: you a couple other names that I've seen on mock

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Speaker 1: drafts that you've posted and others have posted. Logan Hall,

576
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Speaker 1: who's a defensive lineman from Houston. I saw him play

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Speaker 1: face to face when the Bearcats took on the Cougars.

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Speaker 1: Our colleague Jeff Butch Hobson and his first media mock

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Speaker 1: drafts selected Arnold Ebba Katie, an edge rusher from Penn State.

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Speaker 1: So that is another position group that makes some sense.

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Speaker 1: You can't have enough edge rushers, or in Logan Hall's case,

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Speaker 1: he's a guy that's played inside in college, and some

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Speaker 1: people think he could play inside or outside in the NFL. Right, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: and especially with what the Bengals are trying to do

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Speaker 1: in the AFC North, give us all the edge rushers

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Speaker 1: you can, Dan, I mean, you cannot have enough of them.

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Speaker 1: But that's been an interesting trend to follow too, as

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Speaker 1: I've been doing these mock drafts where the first couple,

589
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Speaker 1: as I had mentioned, really didn't have any defensive players,

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Speaker 1: and then the Bengals made a couple of moves, and

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you see some extra edge

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Speaker 1: rushers coming on in a couple of defensive interior defensive

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Speaker 1: guys making the list. But the ones that you mentioned

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Speaker 1: have been the few that have been kind of a

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Speaker 1: mainstay over the last two So it will be interesting,

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Speaker 1: you know. I will say I have not seen who

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Speaker 1: Jeff selected on any of the mock drafts yet, but

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Speaker 1: Jeff might know something that everyone else doesn't know, per usual,

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Speaker 1: So it's going to be interesting. You know. We're going

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Speaker 1: to have a couple of mock drafts continuing to come

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Speaker 1: out up until the draft. Will have one next week

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Speaker 1: and then one the week of the draft, and that's

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Speaker 1: the one I'm sure everyone's going to be the most

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Speaker 1: interested in to see what the experts are thinking, you know,

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Speaker 1: those final few days before the Bengals will be on

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Speaker 1: the clock. Trust me, people are always fascinated with Dave

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Speaker 1: Lapham's final first round prediction for the Bengals. He has

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Speaker 1: often had a right on the nose, even when some

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Speaker 1: of the experts have been off. I asked you to

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Speaker 1: do a three round mock simulator draft. I became obsessed

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Speaker 1: with these mock simulators about a year ago. Where you

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Speaker 1: can go online. Pro Football Focus has a good one.

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Speaker 1: Pro Football Network has a good one where basically you

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Speaker 1: find out what guys are gone when the Bengals are

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Speaker 1: on the clock, and it makes it much more challenging.

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Speaker 1: So I did a three round PFF mock simulator draft.

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Speaker 1: I asked you to do the same. Let's compare notes

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Speaker 1: and see who we wound up with. So, with the

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Speaker 1: thirty first pick in the twenty twenty two NFL Draft,

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Speaker 1: Marissa Contapelli representing the Cincinnati Bengals, selex I traded down.

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Speaker 1: So I traded with Houston for pick thirty seven in

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Speaker 1: the second round and also pick eighty in the third round.

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Speaker 1: I figured targeting Houston a quarterback needy team. There were

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Speaker 1: still a few quarterbacks on the board at that point,

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Speaker 1: so the mock draft simulator accepted the trade, and then

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Speaker 1: at thirty seven, Kyler Gordon was still on the board.

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Speaker 1: So I jumped at that opportunity and took the cornerback

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Speaker 1: out of Washington. I'm firing Duke Tobin and plugging you

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Speaker 1: right into the role. Now. I didn't trade down. Had

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Speaker 1: I seen that offer, I might have jumped at it.

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Speaker 1: That's a great move, only going down to thirty seven

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Speaker 1: and still getting Kyler, who I might have wanted at

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Speaker 1: thirty one. When I got to thirty one, Tyler Linderbaum

634
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Speaker 1: was gone. A lot of the guys that I wanted

635
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Speaker 1: the most were gone. I wound up selecting Kenyon Green

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Speaker 1: Guard from Texas A and M. I think I got

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Speaker 1: like a C from Pro Football Focus for my pick,

638
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Speaker 1: but Dane Brugler has him ranked as the twenty seventh

639
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Speaker 1: best player in this draft. Sixty three three hundred and

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Speaker 1: twenty three pounds, thirty four and an eight inch arms,

641
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: thirty five starts at Texas A and M. He started

642
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: at left guard, right guard, left tackle, right tackle at

643
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: various points in his career, so he becomes the most

644
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: likely candidate to start at left guard for the Bengals

645
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: next year. I have wound up with Kenyon Green. We

646
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: move on to round two. I'll go first this time.

647
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: I wound up selecting a defensive tackle out of Oklahoma

648
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: named perry On Winfrey. When I was at the cob

649
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,959
Speaker 1: NFL scouting combine, I asked people there, all, right, give

650
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: me some defensive tackles you like at thirty one overall,

651
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: and his name came up a few times. So the

652
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: fact that he was still available late in the second

653
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: round made me jump for perry On Winfree. With a

654
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: loss of Larry Ogenjobi in the defensive tackle rotation, the

655
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: Bengals would love to get a new talented young guy

656
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: in there, so perry On Winfree was my second round pick.

657
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: I like it. Dan. We both had the mindset of

658
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: defensive line for this pick because I ended up selecting

659
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: defensive end at Kingsley in Nagbari out of South Carolina.

660
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: And Pro Football Focus kind of liked my picks. They

661
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: gave me an ans for the great so I'll you know,

662
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: I'll take that, but I'll be honest, I haven't seen

663
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: a ton of his tape. But just you know, what

664
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: I've seen and what I've heard about him, and he

665
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: just has a lot of upside can fill in nicely

666
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: into that rotation. Assuming we have Joseph of said back

667
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: and healthy this year. You know, I just think this

668
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: is another young, you know, young potential, talented guy who

669
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: can you know, come in, helped us get out around

670
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,479
Speaker 1: the edge and helped disrupt the quarterback in just um,

671
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, another guy you just love to see

672
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: kind of how the Bengals will be able to develop

673
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: him over the next couple of years. All right, we

674
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: move on to round three. You got an extra pick

675
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: from your savvy trade down in the first round. I'm jealous.

676
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: But who do you have the Bengals selecting in round three? Yeah,

677
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: so this is where I finally go offensive line. So

678
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: decided to take guard Dylan Parham out of Memphis and

679
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: just you know, another one of those opportunities where you know,

680
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: you're not expecting him to come in and start day

681
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: one because of the way that the Bengals handled free

682
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: agency this year, and you know, assuming the development of

683
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: Jackson Carmen as well. But you know, I liked his

684
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: stat potential and just what the draft experts are saying

685
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: about him, it's just you know, he's a guy that again,

686
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, get Frank Pollack around working with him, and

687
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: let's see what happens. And you've got another offensive lineman

688
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: in the third round. I did decided to take take

689
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: a chance on KELLN Dish from Arizona State. Hope, I'm

690
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: pronouncing his last name correctly. Tackle there. And so with

691
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: the TA taking the two offensive linemen there in the

692
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: third round, Pro Football Focus, you know, gave me the

693
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: E minus and a B plus. I'm going to take that,

694
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: as you know, decently positive sign right now, Dan, because

695
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: this is my first ever mock draft simulator that I've

696
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: done that we were talking about before. So yeah, I

697
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: just figured why not give Frank Pollock a couple of

698
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: offensive linemen. You know, I think the Bengals are going

699
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: to address it at some point in this draft, you know,

700
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: and hopefully you know, they're able to hit on one, two, three,

701
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: however many the end up taking. You got an overall

702
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: B plus grade from PFF for your first ever simulated

703
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: mock draft. Pretty impressive, and trust me, you will now

704
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: be obsessed with doing these. He'll be doing one about

705
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: every third day, my third round pick, first from UC

706
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: safety Brian Cook. I think the Dane Burglar also selected

707
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: Brian Cook to the Bengals in the third round. Here's why.

708
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: Obviously I saw him play, I know a lot about him.

709
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: Good kid. I think he's going to be a good

710
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: NFL player. He would become Von Bell's replacement. He's more

711
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: of a close to the line of scrimmage safe than

712
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: a center fielder type like Jesse Bates. But here's the

713
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: biggest reason why I wound up taking Brian Cook. When

714
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: I'm on the road with UC during the course of

715
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: the season, frequently before the games, NFL scouts will pop

716
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: into the broadcast booth just to ask some questions about

717
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,959
Speaker 1: the UC players, more from my broadcast partner Jim Kelly

718
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 1: Junior than me. But this past year, with all these

719
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: great UC players Desmond Ritter, Saws Gartner, Kobe Bryant, My

720
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: j Sanders, etc. The guy we got asked the most

721
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 1: about was Brian Cook because he kind of came out

722
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: of nowhere, transferred from a much smaller school. He's from

723
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati area. He went to Mount Healthy High School,

724
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: but really blossomed at the end of his junior year

725
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: and then his senior year. So based on the interests

726
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: around the league from NFL scouts at least informally in

727
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: our broadcast booth on the road, I think that Brian

728
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: Cook is going to be a top three or four

729
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: round draft pick and I would love to see him

730
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: plugged into the Bengal secondary going for you know, Dan,

731
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: I remember now that I'm going back to this, I'm

732
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: pretty sure he was available in a second or in

733
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: the third round, excuse me, and I didn't take him.

734
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: And now, after hearing everything you said about Brian Cook,

735
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: I'm kind of kicking myself, like, man, maybe I should

736
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: have Maybe I should have taken the UC kid. Well,

737
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: you gotta be plus and I got a C plus,

738
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: so I'm not so sure. But the extra draft pick,

739
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: that was your savvy maneuver. So I want to go

740
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: back to the first week of free agency because during

741
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: the course of the season, I'm in the Bengals offices

742
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: basically every day, but I'm not during the off season,

743
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: and you are. What was the buzz like in the building?

744
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: Alex Kappa right away, Ted Karas shortly after that, Hayden

745
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: Hurst near the end of the week, All Collins at

746
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: the end of the week. What was it like being

747
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: here at Paul Brown Stadium all that was going on.

748
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: It was fun. It's one of those things where you're

749
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: sitting at your desk in and you know you're waiting

750
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: for the text, the phone call, the email. However it

751
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: is that you know the bosses upstairs are going to

752
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: relay the information to you that like, okay, we're getting

753
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: this guy, and it's just it's a lot of sitting

754
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: and waiting, but as soon as you get that notification,

755
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, we're going into go mode. They're going

756
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: to be here down the conference room in ten minutes

757
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: to make sure we get all the content captures. They're

758
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: signing their contracts and then getting to do the walk

759
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: and talk tours with them, and then eventually they meet

760
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: with media and so it's just it's an absolutely thrilling

761
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: day and kind of a funny story. When we were

762
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: signing LEL. Collins on it was that Sunday, So as

763
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: all of Bengaldam knows, he was in Cincinnati for a

764
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 1: few days leading up to it, so you hear rumors

765
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: and you're wondering, Okay, maybe it's going to be this

766
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: day Wednesday comes and goes, Thursday comes and goes, and

767
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: you're moving into the weekend and it's like, all right,

768
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: maybe maybe there's still a possibility. And so I was

769
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: out on that Sunday it was I went to Ohio

770
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: State and so Ohio State was playing against Villanova, and

771
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, it was out with some friends watching the

772
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 1: game when second half get the phone call saying, Hey,

773
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: we need you at Paul Brown Stadium as soon as

774
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: you can get there. And I was like, I think

775
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: I might have a hunch as to what this was about.

776
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: So basically, you know, handed my friends some cash, saying hey,

777
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: can you know close out my check? And it was

778
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: able to get here, and it was just absolutely phenomenal

779
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: getting to meet Lale on that first day. And you know,

780
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: I think it's made its rounds, but him saying, you know,

781
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: being the bodyguard for Joe Burrow is just, you know,

782
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: one of those moments I don't think I'm ever going

783
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: to forget when it comes to Lale and just kind

784
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: of his demeanor and just what he's going to bring

785
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: to this team. And so that was one of those

786
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: moments where I'm glad I lived pretty close to the stadium.

787
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: I'm glad I was within close proximity because everything just

788
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: happen ended up happening so fast on that day. Dan,

789
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 1: But you know, as I know, you got the chance

790
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: to meet some of these guys too. It's just it's

791
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: a different type of energy, it feels with this free

792
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: agent class. You know, they all are just really eager

793
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: to get to work. And another thing that I really

794
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: enjoyed us getting to do with them was we had

795
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Chili tasting experience, and so they each had

796
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: Cincinnati chili for the first time and just you know,

797
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: getting to know them on a little bit more of

798
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: a personal level, and just you know, seeing their reaction

799
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: to trying Cincinnati chili, which was all really positive. So hey,

800
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: we're already off to a good start on that. But

801
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: but it was just it was a great week, a

802
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: week that always goes by a little too fast. Yeah,

803
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: if you're going to do a viral video type thing

804
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: with professional athletes testing Cincinnati style chili, getting offensive linemen

805
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: is probably a good way to go. It absolutely is.

806
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: And I believe it was Ted Carris had made the

807
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: comment that, you know, this is going to help make

808
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: sure he keeps his weight up in season, so who knows.

809
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: You could see him running around with Coney's or three ways,

810
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: five ways pretty often around Paul Brown Stadium. It was

811
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: a long season, and that's a good thing. The Bengals

812
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: basically played for an extra month as they made their

813
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 1: way to the Super Bowl. Has that changed the off

814
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: season around here? Were? I mean, was the downtime any different?

815
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: Did everything just get compressed because of that? It certainly

816
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: felt like it. There was not a lot of downtime,

817
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: especially you know, coming off of the longest NFL season

818
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: to date, and so we had the Combine coming up

819
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: pretty shortly after, and I know, just from us from

820
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: a content standpoint, we had a few days post Super

821
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: Bowl where we had a little bit of time to

822
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: kind of you know, digest. We had a lot of

823
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: footage we had to get logged, so you just a

824
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: lot of you know, there's those little kind of minutia

825
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: kind of things that you had to get settled. And

826
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: then once the combine rolled around, it's combine free agency

827
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: and now you know, getting ready for drafts. So it's

828
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: it really hasn't felt like there's been much of any downtime.

829
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 1: Dan Um, you know, I can't really speak for everyone

830
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: else in the building. But from what I've seen, even

831
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: you know, just the coaches have been here, you know,

832
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: almost every day. I know they've had a little bit

833
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: of time to and and Dax done, you know, a

834
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: phenomenal job of making sure you know, they've also gotten

835
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: their rest in because you can't have burnout, especially coming

836
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: off of that long season, and so you I think

837
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: it was a wise decision for the team to kind

838
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: of push back when players return, wait till after the draft.

839
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: So this way the coaching staff can really focus on

840
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: this year's draft class because we know how heavily involved

841
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: they are in um in that process. I used to

842
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: like to sneak by the draft room years ago when

843
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: all the names were posted up on the board. Sorry, Duke,

844
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: but you can't do that anymore now it's all computerized. Obviously,

845
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: I mean in this day and age, what isn't But

846
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: do you pick up any nuggets from scouts from Duke

847
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: during this process, just as they have their meetings and

848
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: evaluate who stacks up where on the board. I mean,

849
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: you try to try to do it. And you know what,

850
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: I would love to say, there's probably no one better

851
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 1: at doing that than Jeff Hobson. Um, he's sneaky, he

852
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: really is. Um. Yeah, you know, I gotta learn. I

853
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: gotta learn better from Jeff, you know, find out what

854
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: his ways are. But um, but no, you absolutely try

855
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: to um. And you know, it's it's just one of

856
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: those things where it helps us internally to have an

857
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: idea as to a handful of names. And obviously this

858
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: year at picking thirty first is new for me, and

859
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: so it's a little different because the list of names

860
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,479
Speaker 1: is a lot longer than when you're picking fifth or

861
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: even my first year and we were twenty first, and

862
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: so you know, it's it's helpful because it helps us

863
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: get prepared and you know, as we're gathering different content

864
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: strategies and you know, really trying to best prepare our

865
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: content team for draft night because we absolutely as soon

866
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: as we make that pick, we want to make sure

867
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: we have highlights out, we had the information out and

868
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: inform our fans as soon as we can as to

869
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: who this news Bengal is. This last year was awesome.

870
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: Broadcasting the Super Bowl was the highlight of my professional career.

871
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 1: I think I've been doing this longer than you've been alive.

872
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: So I'm a lot older than you. But what was

873
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: the last year like for you? Generating some great content

874
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: for the Bengals TV show? The Behind the Stripes videos

875
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: were awesome on that show and on the website. What

876
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: was the super Bowl run like for you? It was thrilling.

877
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: It was absolutely a dream come true. I mean, I

878
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: think as a you know, as a broadcaster and media member,

879
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 1: it's it's probably on everyone's bucket list. I would assume

880
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: so too, to be able to go to a super Bowl,

881
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: to cover a super Bowl, and and it was one

882
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: where it's it's always been high on my list, but

883
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: you always have to wonder like will it ever come true?

884
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: And and for it to come true, and for it

885
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: to happen in just my fourth season with the team,

886
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,479
Speaker 1: it just I how to keep pinching myself at times,

887
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 1: Dan when we were there in Los Angeles, being like, wait, no,

888
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: this actually is really happening. This we are here at

889
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: the super Bowl, and so it was just, you know,

890
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: one of those surreal moments. It's you know, especially seeing

891
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: all the Bengal signage around Sofi Stadium that day, it

892
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: was it's something we're never going to forget. It was

893
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 1: just absolutely phenomenal and so the playoff run at times

894
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: felt a little bit of a blur because of how

895
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: much content we were producing, how much, how much footage.

896
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: I mean, my goodness, not only do we have shooters

897
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: at these games, but then we have footage coming in

898
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: from NFL films, and with every round of the playoffs,

899
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: there are more cameras at these games. Dan side, you know,

900
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: I feel like we were logging footage. I feel like

901
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: we still have footage to log, quite honestly. But you know, Dan,

902
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to put into words sometimes just what

903
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: this season truly was because we were all hopeful, we

904
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: all had those high expectations, but this team exceeded those

905
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: they truly did. And so as we were going along

906
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: the course of the season and just you know, from

907
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: the different social videos we were producing and you know,

908
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 1: producing Bengals weekly, it was just something so truly special.

909
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: And it's just I'm not absolutely not going to take

910
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: any of it for granted because we got to share

911
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: and tell so many stories from this season. We just

912
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: had so many incredible not only incredible personalities on and

913
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: off the field, but you know, you look at guys

914
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: like getting to tell Chitube a Woozier story and Mike Hilton.

915
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: I mean that just the way he is persevered and

916
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: pushed through his career, and I mean those were two

917
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: huge additions that helped lead this team to get to

918
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: where they were. And so, you know, for me personally,

919
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: I was able to work on a couple of stories

920
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: this year that you know, really really meant a lot.

921
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: And you know, I was able to produce a Joe

922
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 1: Burrows first comeback story before he took his first snap

923
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: Week one, and then the one I was you know,

924
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: really proud to be able to produce was the Zach

925
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: Taylor bit after you know, in the postseason, before going

926
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: into our first playoff game, where you're getting to talk

927
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: to a lot of these leaders on this team and

928
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: just seeing the respect that they have for Zach and

929
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: what he has meant to this organization is just it

930
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: blows you away. And so you know, getting to put

931
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: that together and you know, even just seeing how the

932
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: fans reacted to that piece and just everyone getting behind Zach,

933
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 1: you know, it just added to a truly special season.

934
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: That was a great story. People can still watch them

935
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: Eagles dot com if they haven't already, just go to

936
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 1: the video section. Look up the Behind the Striped stories

937
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: and you'll find that great story about Zach and his

938
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: growth in three years as the Bengals head coach. You're

939
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: right about just how hard it is to articulate how

940
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: special it was to be involved with a team going

941
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl. People have asked me a lot

942
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: about it afterward. You know, what was it like to

943
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: broadcast to the Super Bowl? And initially I really kind

944
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: of struggled to put it into words. It was so

945
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: special and mind boggling. And then I finally came up

946
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: with an analogy that I think kind of works. I

947
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: compare it to the movie Jurassic Park, the first time

948
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: that the characters see dinosaurs, and like their eyes are

949
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: huge and their mouths are wide open, and there's that

950
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, dinosaurs, dinosaurs exist. And that's what it

951
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: was like. For me. It was just like, oh my gosh,

952
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: we're here, our team is playing in the Super Bowl.

953
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: I get a chance to broadcast. Asked it, and you know,

954
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: I honestly think we'll have that opportunity again in the

955
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow era. I don't think you're wrong. I'm right

956
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: there with you. It's you look at the amount of

957
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: talent that's on this team, Dan, and how can you

958
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: not see them getting back and they're only getting better

959
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: And when you have the Joe Burrow effect of free

960
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: agents really wanting to come in here, and we saw

961
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: that this last year. I mean, how they were able

962
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: to land three stud offensive linemen. It really makes you wonder.

963
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 1: I know the AFC is going to be a gauntlet

964
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: this year. It's absolutely loaded, but how can that not

965
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: play as to a benefit to this team where you think,

966
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: if you can make it out of the AFC, you

967
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: have a really great shot at winning that super Bowl.

968
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: If that's the key word. If it is going to

969
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 1: be a gauntlet. Let's look ahead to something that's coming

970
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 1: up in the next month. You're going to be involved

971
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 1: in a Sam Hubbard event. Sam obviously does a lot

972
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: of great stuff in the community, and we're about a

973
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: month away from an event that you're going to help with.

974
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: That's right. So Sam is having a fulling charity events

975
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 1: in a collaboration with his foundation, the Sam Hubbard Foundation,

976
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: and it's just an event. As soon as I saw it,

977
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: my friend and I were like, we absolutely have to

978
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: sign up to participate. I have no idea how great

979
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: we're actually going to be when it comes to the tournament.

980
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: I've gone fulling before. For those of you who have

981
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: not gone fulling or know what fulling is, it's where

982
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: you have almost like a cornhole style boards and then

983
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: you have ten bowling pins on those boards and you're

984
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: taking a football throwing it at the boards and trying

985
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: to knock down the pins before the other team does.

986
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: So it's a wild concept. It's a lot of fun.

987
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: It's very difficult, I will say, much tougher than it

988
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: just kind of sounds right off the bat, and so

989
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: I've always taken the strategy of throwing overhand. I have

990
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: seen some people throw underhand, which is kind of impressive,

991
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: but also kind of like, all right, we're going to

992
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: try this out, but but no, it should be a

993
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: great time. I mean, anything to be able to support Sam.

994
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: He's doing so much in this community and you know,

995
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: really getting his foundation up and running in this last year.

996
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: And so the funds that they're going to raise during

997
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: that event are going to go to a lot of

998
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: the other initiatives and outreach that they're going to be

999
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: doing in the Cincinnati community this year. And so I know,

1000
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: sign ups are already full. They've already exceeded the capacity

1001
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 1: of teams that they can have at the event, which

1002
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: they actually sold out of that really really quickly. But

1003
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: you can still attend as a spectator, I believe, and

1004
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure there's going to be some current and

1005
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: former players there as well, and so, you know, it's

1006
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: just I know, I always love supporting our guys whenever

1007
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: they're doing anything in the community because it means so

1008
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: much to the not only this area, but you know

1009
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 1: even when they go back to their hometowns and other

1010
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: areas throughout the country, but especially with Sam, you know,

1011
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: being our Walter Payton Man of the Year last year

1012
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: and you know, really wanting to take those extra next

1013
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: steps and do even more in this community. This was

1014
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: just something when I saw Dan, you know, I knew

1015
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: I absolutely had to jump at. So Fowling is football

1016
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: plus bowling. You described it well. There is a bar

1017
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 1: at the Fowling Warehouse, so as you go as a specter,

1018
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: you can have a frosty beverage and watch Marissa's technique

1019
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: for trying to knock down bowling pins with a football.

1020
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: I've only done it once. I found that the high

1021
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: toss that comes down like like a bomb dropping as

1022
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: opposed to the line drive like a quarterback would try

1023
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 1: to throw. You know, between coverage worked better for me,

1024
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: So if you want to go with high arc, you

1025
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: might find that that's a successful folding strategy. I appreciate

1026
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: that advice because I feel like I've tried a couple

1027
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,720
Speaker 1: different ways and it's hit or miss. So I play softball,

1028
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: so I feel like I usually try to go with

1029
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: more of that line drive approach, but I might have

1030
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: to change it up to see if something else might

1031
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: work a little better. It's been a little while since

1032
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: I've gone falling, so I might need even trying to

1033
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: sneak into practice before the event rolls around. All right, Well,

1034
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: congratulations on the B plus grade on your first ever

1035
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: mock simulator three round draft. You outdrafted me. You're one

1036
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: to know against Dan Horde, and I appreciate your time.

1037
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: Keep up the great work. It's been fun not having

1038
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: to scour the internet from mock drafts. I just can

1039
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: go to your your mock draft compilations and it saves

1040
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: me a lot of time and I do enjoy doing it.

1041
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 1: So thanks again, as always, thank you so much, Dan,

1042
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: that's going to do it. For this episode of the

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