WEBVTT - The White Lotus 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:07.840 Welcome everybody to Amy and TJ. And I am very. 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:11.959 Excited about this episode because we're gonna talk all things 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:13.120 The White Lotus. 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:15.960 Season three finale was Sunday night. 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:19.600 We watched it the next day because yes, nine pm 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:22.439 is passed our bedtime most days, but it did not 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:24.560 disappoint eight weeks. 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:26.160 We had eight episodes. 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:30.040 This time around, and each season has been unexpected, at 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:31.760 least in terms of the ending, and you're always trying 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:34.440 to figure out who's gonna die, who's gonna live, who's 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:35.400 gonna walk off into. 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:36.120 The sunset together. 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:39.640 So we have a lot to unpack from season three. 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:42.640 It's finale, and you know, it's one of those one 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.760 of those series that draws me in. At least I 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:47.760 can speak for myself on this. I'm a huge fan 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:51.440 of Downton Abbey. I'm a big fan of Below Deck. 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:56.600 We both like that show, and it's this introspective look 0:00:56.720 --> 0:01:01.120 into what's happening upstairs, what's happening downstairs, the rich and 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.160 the privileged versus the people who are working to make 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:06.920 their experience a fun one. It's about the dark side 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:10.680 of vacation, and gosh, it explored so many different themes. 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:13.959 I don't know where to start, but this season was 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:19.319 potentially one of the most controversial. We had themes of incest, 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:24.520 which was difficult, suicide which is always difficult, and yeah, 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:28.240 who done it, Who's bad, who's good, who's evil, who's not. 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:31.640 I did not think the episode. Disappointed and we have 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:35.160 not talked about how we each thought about the finale. 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:37.880 So TJ, what did you think about I. 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:39.720 Was disappointed with how far it went. It was too 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:44.480 violent for me. Really, I didn't like that part. I 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:45.680 know it was a part of it. I'm saying I 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:47.800 just got used to something with the show and that 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:49.440 kind of threw me off, and I didn't like it 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:57.520 was violent. It became some bizarre action, very violent sequence 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:02.680 of point blank shooting somebody and then shooting somebody in 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:04.920 the back, and I just I didn't like. Don't get 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:07.160 me wrong, they take their creative license, and I think 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:11.120 it was The show is consistently amazing, but it's not 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:13.320 what I would have gone for or liked. In the end. 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:14.680 It was just too violent for me. This is not 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:16.960 a criticism of the writers. It's just for what I 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:18.519 went along with and what I prefer to see. 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:22.040 Yeah, the shootout scene was a little confusing to me, 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:24.600 just because so many people got in on it. I 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:28.600 was really truly expecting one death, and then the death 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:30.600 you thought that was happening didn't happen. 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:32.800 It was, but it was for me. 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:35.840 It was exciting, and I hate to glorify any kind 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:38.480 of violence, but I did appreciate it. I know a 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:42.040 lot of people had lots of questions about the choices 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:49.520 that this season went with, but I enjoyed the final show, 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:54.120 end of story, and my favorite part was the sad 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:56.400 part because I loved the love story. 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:58.440 Do you know what love story I'm talking about? 0:02:58.720 --> 0:02:58.880 Oh? 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:00.880 Yeah, they died at the end together. That was the 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:05.440 love story. Ultimately, everybody came around just having him get 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:10.000 some redemption finally in the end and them seemingly on 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.519 their way to being finding peace and being happily ever after, 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:15.440 and then they died quite dramatically. I think having them 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:17.959 both die was a I mean crazy that sounds was 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:20.800 a nice touch because we love these characters so much. 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:25.240 We as far as the audience, I know, Rick played 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:30.480 by Walter Goggins's he was a very confusing and conflicted 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:34.160 and even a character you didn't like at times because 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:36.680 of the way he treated her. But you thought he 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:38.360 found his piece and we thought they were going to 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:40.680 be on their way, and to have them go out 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:42.880 like that was I think well done. 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.840 Yeah, I agree. Chelsea Amy played by Amy lou Wood. 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:50.520 It was consistent among everyone I talked with who watched 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.840 the show, she was the crowd favorite. I feel like 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:55.680 in each of these seasons, they've got that character that 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:59.600 you love and that you're rooting for. Jennifer Coolidge definitely 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.920 stole the show in the other seasons, but I just 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:05.840 felt like amylu Wood and her portrayal of Chelsea and 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:11.440 her love, her absolute love of him was beautiful. I 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:13.960 was really touched by it. I hated that she died, 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:16.279 but I agree. I'm glad that they both went together. 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:21.200 And everyone was waiting for something to happen to the 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:24.680 wealthy family with the Oh my gosh, Parker Posey stole 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:28.680 the show in just how she portrayed this North Carolina, rich, 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:32.479 out of touch woman and then her troubled husband who 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:36.560 was contemplating suicide the entire time. Timothy Rattliff played by 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:39.640 Jason Isaac's but I just thought everyone was expecting something 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:40.840 to happen with that family. 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:42.680 And they almost went there multiple times. 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:44.600 I felt like they teased us a little too much 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:46.919 with that family to expect it to actually happen in 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:47.320 the end. 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:49.680 I don't know. I don't know how it felt about 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:54.719 the whole family situation, the possible suicide, the murder suicide. 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:56.240 I guess it would be he was going to kill 0:04:56.279 --> 0:05:02.920 his whole family. That family, they were characters. I like 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.440 there was something about the family dynamic that I never got, 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:10.120 never got on board with the entire season, but it 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:12.440 didn't take into the last It wasn't to this last 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:14.880 episode that I felt that they were telling us something. 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:19.560 Everybody was flawed. Everybody was like really really messed up 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:22.760 and putting on in some way. Even Patrick's fortuning his character. 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:25.640 He even got a little lonely or empty looking at 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:28.120 somebody else being happy, like he realized that he was not. 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:30.960 There was nothing to him. Almost everybody just came around. 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:34.240 And the sister going to the monaster, she wants to 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:36.359 be to stay there for a year, but then she 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:38.880 comes back and says, well, you know what, I I'm 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.680 just too too much of a princess, Like she had 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:43.760 to come to that realization. The mom and dad of 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.840 course messed up. But the I thought the son and 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:49.760 the girl, the young lady it was with Rick, I 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:53.680 thought those two. As this episode was going along, I said, 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:56.200 they're gonna kill these two because these are the only 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:58.400 two people who were kind of innocent in this whole mess, 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.120 and they had been impacted by the bad decisions of 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:02.920 people around them and people they loved. I said, they 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:04.760 got to kill these two. I thought the kid was 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:06.320 a corner oh right. 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:08.720 When they showed him drowning, I absolutely thought he was 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:10.039 going to die. I didn't know how they were going 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:12.279 to handle that. So I thought it was interesting that 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:16.960 he came back, but that gave his father the potential. 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:21.360 Timothy Ratliff, who the entire time was really struggling with 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.200 his massive financial loss, that he hadn't told his family 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:27.440 about his potential illegal activity, that he hadn't told his 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.360 family about keeping this secret, and worrying that the loss 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:34.000 of wealth, that the loss of reputation. He would rather 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.560 not just kill himself, but kill them because he didn't 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:40.760 think they could handle life outside of privilege, that they 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:45.840 could handle life outside of having a reputation that was 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:49.200 above everyone else. So yes, I think by bringing the 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.440 sun back. It was a beautiful moment. A light bulb 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:55.640 went off in his head finally, finally that yes, things 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:57.800 might be different, and they might not have the money, 0:06:57.839 --> 0:06:59.640 and he might be in prison, but they have each other. 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.400 Sounds cheesy, but I did really feel that at the 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:04.799 end in the boat, and it did make me feel 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.200 a little warm and fuzzy, even though I know this 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:09.480 is a dark comedy and it was. 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:11.680 Is that what is characterized as because it was it 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.280 was too much dark than comedy for me in the 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.720 last episode. I don't know. I just I was the 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:20.760 energy for me was it was an enjoyable thing throughout 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.400 and it became violent. Yes, somebody's going to prison. Possibly, 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:26.320 it just became I don't know, I felt that way. 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:29.520 It just became a little too Again. I think they 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.080 did the right thing. I think they nail it from 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:36.080 a creative standpoint, But just as me watching, I don't know, 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:38.440 maybe I was hoping for a more a happier ending than. 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:40.160 Yeah we got yeah. I mean yeah. 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:42.240 For me, I guess the happy ending was just knowing 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.960 that that family, maybe he figured something out, maybe they'll 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.480 go on to be better people. But the other thing, 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:51.480 it wasn't surprising to me, I think almost I guessed it. 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:53.760 I'm pretty sure you did too. Did we talk about 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:54.320 the fact. 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:57.360 That Rick's nemesis, the man who he thought killed his father, 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:58.600 was in fact his father. 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:00.600 I felt like they laid that on pretty heavily. 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:03.360 Well. I thought in the last episode it was confirmed. 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:04.880 I mean, I thought the whole time they were at 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:07.600 the house and he's there confronting the guy and say, yeah, 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:08.200 it's gonna. 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:09.800 Be a that Yeah, And when he said your dad 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:12.040 wasn't a good guy and your mom lied to you, 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:14.800 like I kind of knew he was talking about himself. 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:16.440 So I was surprised that that was. 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:20.200 Completely lost on Rick, completely to the point where he 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.840 actually decided to do the thing he had chosen not to, 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:25.400 which was to kill him and set off this whole 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:27.760 chain of events something else that was interesting to me. 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:32.200 So I loved the whole dynamic with the Michelle Monahan 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:36.520 character Jacqueline was her name, Leslie Bibbs character Kate, and 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:38.960 then the friend Carrie Coon, who was amazing playing Lori. 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:43.040 The three women there who were childhood best friends who 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:46.680 then kind of worked through some stuff. I guess while 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.200 they were at the resort. I thought it was brilliantly written. 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:51.640 I thought that was where a lot of the comedy 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:53.400 was for me. I know there was some darkness there too, 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:57.200 but I thought it was just on point in so 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:57.959 many ways. 0:08:58.240 --> 0:08:59.679 I absolutely loved it. 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:05.640 But they were right there when the shots were being fired, 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:10.800 right there when Rick kills his father. I was confused 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:13.520 that they were celebrating at the end, drinking shot like nothing, 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.360 like they hadn't just witnessed something incredibly traumatic. That was 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:19.120 a little strange for me. The joyous ending with the 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:20.880 three friends. 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:22.559 I mean, that could have I didn't think anything of that. 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:23.440 Really, that's funny. 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:24.280 That's me is. 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:25.160 A little odd. 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:28.000 That was I guess very I mean, I don't know, 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:31.240 I can't cross my mind before this moment, But. 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:38.040 I loved watching those three women work through regret, jealousy, 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:43.720 bad choices, and still find that love for one another. 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.120 I thought it was beautiful. I loved it. 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.280 Oh yeah, you commented on them plenty plenty. 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.800 And then kry Koone's character Laurie, who goes off and and. 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:53.960 Puts herself in a very scary position. 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:57.680 I think for most of the characters in this series, 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:03.160 they pushed it to the limit. And then when something happened, 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:04.920 or the worst case or what they thought would be 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.640 the worst case scenario happened. It actually gave them the 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:10.480 perspective they needed to be better, to do better, to 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:13.679 realize that what really is important in life is your 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:15.720 relationships and the love that you have for each other, 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:21.040 not what you're not getting, not what you're losing. Sadly though, 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:22.720 that was lost on Rick, and that's why Rick and 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:34.080 Chelsea perhaps had to go. What do you think about 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:38.480 just the voyeurism? How many people tune into this series 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:42.480 to see rich people, privileged people behave badly, and how 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:45.680 do you think they handled telling the stories of the 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:48.440 people who are the support staff, the people who try 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:51.679 to make these vacations perfect and beautiful for all of 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:52.920 these privileged people. 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:55.160 I don't know. It's just a good show. I don't 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:57.120 think too much. And again there are critics out there 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:02.480 and people who are cultural observers and write about that stuff. 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:06.120 It just it's just an excellent show. It's just well acted, 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:10.400 and it's so well written. It's sharp, it's clever, it's timely. 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:14.240 It's just no matter what, it's a well done show. 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:18.199 So I feel things and react to things that I see, 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:22.200 But I don't. I'm not examining the show looking for 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:24.280 those nuggets in that moment and to interpret and say 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:25.800 that this is wrong and this is right on. And 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:28.800 so no, I don't view it. I don't see it 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:32.520 as a as voyeurism necessarily. I know it's been talked 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:38.760 about plenty, but I I just enjoy. I enjoy people 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:43.000 in the watching masters of their craft and everybody who 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:45.600 was acting in that show, and everybody put that show together. 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:48.240 It's just you're seeing that should be a stack of 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.720 Emmys just sitting there waiting just hand them out to 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:56.600 this entire staff, this entire cast. It's unbelievable. 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:57.200 I agree. 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:00.120 I the acting was some of the best I have 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:02.760 ever seen. The writing spot on and I love how 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:06.079 each season they bring in different people unexpectedly to all 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:07.360 be at these resorts. 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:07.440 And the. 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:14.960 Writing and the character development is I'm imagining like probably 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:17.840 one of the best you could get as an actor 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:22.160 when you get a role like that. Now, the incest 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:25.320 for me, that was if I had to complain about 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:27.520 the show something that I just thought went too far. 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:33.199 I was very uncomfortable with the decision to bring an incest. 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:36.160 I don't know why it was necessary. Maybe it was 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:39.440 just to simply be provocative, but it actually made me 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:40.640 feel physically ill. 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:41.440 And I don't know. 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:44.960 I mean, I get that that's part of what art is. 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:47.680 It makes you feel things. They're not always good, sometimes 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:51.079 they're bad, sometimes they're ugly. But I did not enjoy 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:53.360 that for one moment. In fact, I looked away. 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:56.800 Nobody would, obviously, but it was yes, meant to get 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:59.480 a reaction. I can't remember which producer, but they've been 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:04.800 on the record is saying that that storyline had had 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:07.000 a point, that you get the point of it at 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.599 the end of the season. I don't necessarily feel that 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:15.320 and understand how that dynamic between the brothers. What role 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:18.520 it played in me understanding this final episode or the 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:20.000 final couple episodes, I don't know. 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.400 The only thing that I could gather from that was 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:25.000 hearing from the young son. 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:26.480 I believe his name is Lachlin right. 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:31.840 He basically was explaining to his brother that he's a 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:35.040 people pleaser and that he wanted to make him happy, 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:37.120 and he thought that maybe his brother felt left out. 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:38.960 There was a threesome going on. If you haven't seen. 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:41.000 If you haven't seen, you probably aren't listening to this, 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:43.560 so I'm sure people are following along without having to 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:46.680 get two into the weeds about what exactly happened. But 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:49.560 the fact that you could be that much of a 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:51.800 people pleaser that you would do something so a boring 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:54.440 if you thought in the moment it would make someone 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:55.120 else feel good. 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:56.520 Oh, I didn't think about it that way at all. 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:58.800 I mean, I heard that was an uncomfortable probably the 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:03.199 most uncomfortable conversation of the entire season. But no, I 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:08.000 don't get how it helped me along in the story. 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:11.120 I'm sure I'll no, I'm not gonna look that up. 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:15.600 Actually no, but I'm sure if somebody's trying to figure 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:19.800 that out. But it just it was apparently incest stories 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:22.320 oftentimes has been in plenty of movies and shows where 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:26.680 incest storylines for some reason are incorporated and writers have 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:28.920 their reason for it. I didn't get it on this one. 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:31.600 I also thought it was interesting that, even as an 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.560 actor to get a script, I mentioned how awesome it 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:36.480 must be to get scripts like this because they're so 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:39.360 well written and the characters are so complex and probably 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:42.440 pretty fun to play. But if you're Patrick Schwarzenegger, I 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:47.680 wonder if he gave pause to portraying that I know 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:51.440 that his mother, Marius River, actually, when being interviewed, had 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.280 to make a point or felt like she needed to 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.120 make a point to say to everyone, you know, obviously 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.720 my son isn't anything like his character, which also just 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.000 felt weird and strange that that would even have to 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:03.600 be mentioned, because of course he is an actor. But 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:07.480 maybe perhaps the script is so uncomfortable and the theme 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:12.240 is so cringe worthy that she felt like she needed 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:14.440 to just make that extra clear. 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:16.320 Okay, we don't have to talk about it anymore. 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:19.840 Yes, we can move on from there. But to me, 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:22.520 that was a tough and then for them to take 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:26.840 on it's not just suicide, but as you pointed out, 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:32.640 murder suicide, that was also a choice that at times 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:36.720 became almost too much for me to watch. I believe 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:38.840 it was maybe the second or third to last episode 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:42.720 where we saw Tim the character the father, actually open 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:45.680 up and it looked as though he did kill his 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:49.240 family and then kill himself, only for all of us 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:51.080 who are watching to realize it was just. 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:51.800 In his head. 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:54.720 Duke got even involved as well. We talked about this 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:56.920 on the Morning Run. They didn't like it so much. 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.240 Either that he did all of that while wearing a 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:04.120 very loud and proud Duke T shirt while this was 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:08.280 all going on, and it was also mentioned, I didn't realize. 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:11.040 That if you zoomed in now, I'm trying to is it. 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:12.200 I can't remember the name. 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:17.800 The blender was actually made by a company, and everyone 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:19.640 said that that pr company is now going to go 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:24.600 on a total campaign trying to take that image out 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:30.240 of anyone's heads that somehow their blenders had a poisonous 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:34.200 concoction inside of it that was going to be used 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:37.240 to kill and murder a family. So yes, it's funny 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:40.600 how product placement normally is something you'd want in a series, 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:42.760 not so much necessarily in some. 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:43.480 Of these scenes. 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:45.080 What's the name of the blender company? 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:48.440 I was going to look at up right now, but yeah, yeah. 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.040 It's a very very famous I didn't. 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:52.320 See it and didn't know about it, so I, for 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:55.680 the most part, they shouldn't put a statement out because 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:57.800 for folks who watched it, I didn't see the blender. 0:16:58.320 --> 0:16:59.960 So the only reason I'm aware of it now is 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:02.680 because you said, so just leave it alone, folks. If 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.560 I could recommend anything to the company, just let it ride. 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:08.160 Let it ride. So I won't even mention it which 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:08.720 one it was. 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:10.399 Yeah, well just let it ride. But for Duke, this 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:13.800 was the exact point they made in putting out a 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:17.080 statement after that. What was it two episodes ago, maybe 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.320 when the whole suicide scene was at the front and 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:23.600 the dad wearing the Duke shirt holds a gun to 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:27.280 his head, Well, that became a meme online and that 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:29.280 was going to forever be used every time you see 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:31.159 that image, he's holding a gun to his head and 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.960 it says Duke on it. And sure enough, what happened 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:38.160 when Duke lost in the final four over the weekend 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:43.160 in stunning fashion, those memes were everywhere of showing essentially 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:46.920 what looks like a Duke fan wanting to kill himself, 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:49.520 and that is what Duke was afraid of, and that's 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:50.800 just going to be out there forever. 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.280 Now you mentioned that a couple of weeks ago, You're like, man, 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:56.440 if anything goes wrong with Duke, this is what they're 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:58.920 trying to avoid, and this is what they don't want 0:17:58.960 --> 0:17:59.439 to happen. 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:01.720 What did you think. 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:06.920 Of the scene and the decision to take the five 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:10.960 million dollars Belinda, who has been there from season one 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:15.600 and season two and was technically well at least promised 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:20.000 Bunny by Jennifer Coolidge's character Tanya before she was killed. 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:25.280 So her now husband or ex husband ends up buying silence, 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:27.760 builing her silence about where he is and what his 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:30.560 role may have been from Belinda and her son was 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:32.399 very very excited about her taking the money. 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:34.160 What do you think about that choice? 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:39.919 That the choice? There were two moral moments in this 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:43.160 final episode. That was one of them that to be discussed. 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:46.080 What would you do? This is someone that we've all 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:50.199 come to know as a kind, a warm and a 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:54.879 decent woman who stood by for a long time, stood 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:59.280 by this notion that she would not be bought, that 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:01.680 she could not be bought, that she had principles she 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:05.720 would stand up for. That is a question what would 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:09.760 any of us do at that point? And I think 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:12.720 that was a great question to put before all the viewers. 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:15.080 You'd have that in your own mind, what would you do? 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:16.840 And you look at a woman. You might look at 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:19.000 her and say that's an awful decision, how could you? 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.159 But then you have a history with her that you 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:24.199 know she's a good woman. So I think that was 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:26.399 a brilliant. I think that was a marvelous part of 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:28.439 the and one of my favorite parts of this final episode. 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:30.760 Yeah, so, just for the record, I was glad she 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:32.639 took the money. I wanted her to take the money. 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:37.280 I thought that, and I actually liked how Gary told 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:41.000 her that he felt like Tanya would have wanted her 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:42.600 to have the money. It almost made it gave her 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:44.800 permission that it was okay that she killed. 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:45.560 But did he kill her? 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:47.479 He didn't kill her. She fell off the boat. 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:50.440 Okay, But I thought that was an understanding that the guy, 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:53.000 the husband of Jennifer Coolidge that gave the money in 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.760 this last episode, I thought he was wanted for questioning 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:57.080 you said he didn't kill her. 0:19:57.560 --> 0:19:59.760 She fell off the boat after being chased by a 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:01.920 bunch of game out on the boat, on the yacht 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:03.479