Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to Amy and TJ. And I am very.
Speaker 2: Excited about this episode because we're gonna talk all things
Speaker 2: The White Lotus.
Speaker 1: Season three finale was Sunday night.
Speaker 2: We watched it the next day because yes, nine pm
Speaker 2: is passed our bedtime most days, but it did not
Speaker 2: disappoint eight weeks.
Speaker 1: We had eight episodes.
Speaker 2: This time around, and each season has been unexpected, at
Speaker 2: least in terms of the ending, and you're always trying
Speaker 2: to figure out who's gonna die, who's gonna live, who's
Speaker 2: gonna walk off into.
Speaker 1: The sunset together.
Speaker 2: So we have a lot to unpack from season three.
Speaker 2: It's finale, and you know, it's one of those one
Speaker 2: of those series that draws me in. At least I
Speaker 2: can speak for myself on this. I'm a huge fan
Speaker 2: of Downton Abbey. I'm a big fan of Below Deck.
Speaker 2: We both like that show, and it's this introspective look
Speaker 2: into what's happening upstairs, what's happening downstairs, the rich and
Speaker 2: the privileged versus the people who are working to make
Speaker 2: their experience a fun one. It's about the dark side
Speaker 2: of vacation, and gosh, it explored so many different themes.
Speaker 2: I don't know where to start, but this season was
Speaker 2: potentially one of the most controversial. We had themes of incest,
Speaker 2: which was difficult, suicide which is always difficult, and yeah,
Speaker 2: who done it, Who's bad, who's good, who's evil, who's not.
Speaker 2: I did not think the episode. Disappointed and we have
Speaker 2: not talked about how we each thought about the finale.
Speaker 1: So TJ, what did you think about I.
Speaker 3: Was disappointed with how far it went. It was too
Speaker 3: violent for me. Really, I didn't like that part. I
Speaker 3: know it was a part of it. I'm saying I
Speaker 3: just got used to something with the show and that
Speaker 3: kind of threw me off, and I didn't like it
Speaker 3: was violent. It became some bizarre action, very violent sequence
Speaker 3: of point blank shooting somebody and then shooting somebody in
Speaker 3: the back, and I just I didn't like. Don't get
Speaker 3: me wrong, they take their creative license, and I think
Speaker 3: it was The show is consistently amazing, but it's not
Speaker 3: what I would have gone for or liked. In the end.
Speaker 3: It was just too violent for me. This is not
Speaker 3: a criticism of the writers. It's just for what I
Speaker 3: went along with and what I prefer to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the shootout scene was a little confusing to me,
Speaker 2: just because so many people got in on it. I
Speaker 2: was really truly expecting one death, and then the death
Speaker 2: you thought that was happening didn't happen.
Speaker 1: It was, but it was for me.
Speaker 2: It was exciting, and I hate to glorify any kind
Speaker 2: of violence, but I did appreciate it. I know a
Speaker 2: lot of people had lots of questions about the choices
Speaker 2: that this season went with, but I enjoyed the final show,
Speaker 2: end of story, and my favorite part was the sad
Speaker 2: part because I loved the love story.
Speaker 1: Do you know what love story I'm talking about?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they died at the end together. That was the
Speaker 3: love story. Ultimately, everybody came around just having him get
Speaker 3: some redemption finally in the end and them seemingly on
Speaker 3: their way to being finding peace and being happily ever after,
Speaker 3: and then they died quite dramatically. I think having them
Speaker 3: both die was a I mean crazy that sounds was
Speaker 3: a nice touch because we love these characters so much.
Speaker 3: We as far as the audience, I know, Rick played
Speaker 3: by Walter Goggins's he was a very confusing and conflicted
Speaker 3: and even a character you didn't like at times because
Speaker 3: of the way he treated her. But you thought he
Speaker 3: found his piece and we thought they were going to
Speaker 3: be on their way, and to have them go out
Speaker 3: like that was I think well done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. Chelsea Amy played by Amy lou Wood.
Speaker 2: It was consistent among everyone I talked with who watched
Speaker 2: the show, she was the crowd favorite. I feel like
Speaker 2: in each of these seasons, they've got that character that
Speaker 2: you love and that you're rooting for. Jennifer Coolidge definitely
Speaker 2: stole the show in the other seasons, but I just
Speaker 2: felt like amylu Wood and her portrayal of Chelsea and
Speaker 2: her love, her absolute love of him was beautiful. I
Speaker 2: was really touched by it. I hated that she died,
Speaker 2: but I agree. I'm glad that they both went together.
Speaker 2: And everyone was waiting for something to happen to the
Speaker 2: wealthy family with the Oh my gosh, Parker Posey stole
Speaker 2: the show in just how she portrayed this North Carolina, rich,
Speaker 2: out of touch woman and then her troubled husband who
Speaker 2: was contemplating suicide the entire time. Timothy Rattliff played by
Speaker 2: Jason Isaac's but I just thought everyone was expecting something
Speaker 2: to happen with that family.
Speaker 1: And they almost went there multiple times.
Speaker 2: I felt like they teased us a little too much
Speaker 2: with that family to expect it to actually happen in
Speaker 2: the end.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know how it felt about
Speaker 3: the whole family situation, the possible suicide, the murder suicide.
Speaker 3: I guess it would be he was going to kill
Speaker 3: his whole family. That family, they were characters. I like
Speaker 3: there was something about the family dynamic that I never got,
Speaker 3: never got on board with the entire season, but it
Speaker 3: didn't take into the last It wasn't to this last
Speaker 3: episode that I felt that they were telling us something.
Speaker 3: Everybody was flawed. Everybody was like really really messed up
Speaker 3: and putting on in some way. Even Patrick's fortuning his character.
Speaker 3: He even got a little lonely or empty looking at
Speaker 3: somebody else being happy, like he realized that he was not.
Speaker 3: There was nothing to him. Almost everybody just came around.
Speaker 3: And the sister going to the monaster, she wants to
Speaker 3: be to stay there for a year, but then she
Speaker 3: comes back and says, well, you know what, I I'm
Speaker 3: just too too much of a princess, Like she had
Speaker 3: to come to that realization. The mom and dad of
Speaker 3: course messed up. But the I thought the son and
Speaker 3: the girl, the young lady it was with Rick, I
Speaker 3: thought those two. As this episode was going along, I said,
Speaker 3: they're gonna kill these two because these are the only
Speaker 3: two people who were kind of innocent in this whole mess,
Speaker 3: and they had been impacted by the bad decisions of
Speaker 3: people around them and people they loved. I said, they
Speaker 3: got to kill these two. I thought the kid was
Speaker 3: a corner oh right.
Speaker 2: When they showed him drowning, I absolutely thought he was
Speaker 2: going to die. I didn't know how they were going
Speaker 2: to handle that. So I thought it was interesting that
Speaker 2: he came back, but that gave his father the potential.
Speaker 2: Timothy Ratliff, who the entire time was really struggling with
Speaker 2: his massive financial loss, that he hadn't told his family
Speaker 2: about his potential illegal activity, that he hadn't told his
Speaker 2: family about keeping this secret, and worrying that the loss
Speaker 2: of wealth, that the loss of reputation. He would rather
Speaker 2: not just kill himself, but kill them because he didn't
Speaker 2: think they could handle life outside of privilege, that they
Speaker 2: could handle life outside of having a reputation that was
Speaker 2: above everyone else. So yes, I think by bringing the
Speaker 2: sun back. It was a beautiful moment. A light bulb
Speaker 2: went off in his head finally, finally that yes, things
Speaker 2: might be different, and they might not have the money,
Speaker 2: and he might be in prison, but they have each other.
Speaker 2: Sounds cheesy, but I did really feel that at the
Speaker 2: end in the boat, and it did make me feel
Speaker 2: a little warm and fuzzy, even though I know this
Speaker 2: is a dark comedy and it was.
Speaker 3: Is that what is characterized as because it was it
Speaker 3: was too much dark than comedy for me in the
Speaker 3: last episode. I don't know. I just I was the
Speaker 3: energy for me was it was an enjoyable thing throughout
Speaker 3: and it became violent. Yes, somebody's going to prison. Possibly,
Speaker 3: it just became I don't know, I felt that way.
Speaker 3: It just became a little too Again. I think they
Speaker 3: did the right thing. I think they nail it from
Speaker 3: a creative standpoint, But just as me watching, I don't know,
Speaker 3: maybe I was hoping for a more a happier ending than.
Speaker 1: Yeah we got yeah. I mean yeah.
Speaker 2: For me, I guess the happy ending was just knowing
Speaker 2: that that family, maybe he figured something out, maybe they'll
Speaker 2: go on to be better people. But the other thing,
Speaker 2: it wasn't surprising to me, I think almost I guessed it.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you did too. Did we talk about
Speaker 1: the fact.
Speaker 2: That Rick's nemesis, the man who he thought killed his father,
Speaker 2: was in fact his father.
Speaker 1: I felt like they laid that on pretty heavily.
Speaker 3: Well. I thought in the last episode it was confirmed.
Speaker 3: I mean, I thought the whole time they were at
Speaker 3: the house and he's there confronting the guy and say, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's gonna.
Speaker 2: Be a that Yeah, And when he said your dad
Speaker 2: wasn't a good guy and your mom lied to you,
Speaker 2: like I kind of knew he was talking about himself.
Speaker 1: So I was surprised that that was.
Speaker 2: Completely lost on Rick, completely to the point where he
Speaker 2: actually decided to do the thing he had chosen not to,
Speaker 2: which was to kill him and set off this whole
Speaker 2: chain of events something else that was interesting to me.
Speaker 2: So I loved the whole dynamic with the Michelle Monahan
Speaker 2: character Jacqueline was her name, Leslie Bibbs character Kate, and
Speaker 2: then the friend Carrie Coon, who was amazing playing Lori.
Speaker 2: The three women there who were childhood best friends who
Speaker 2: then kind of worked through some stuff. I guess while
Speaker 2: they were at the resort. I thought it was brilliantly written.
Speaker 2: I thought that was where a lot of the comedy
Speaker 2: was for me. I know there was some darkness there too,
Speaker 2: but I thought it was just on point in so
Speaker 2: many ways.
Speaker 1: I absolutely loved it.
Speaker 2: But they were right there when the shots were being fired,
Speaker 2: right there when Rick kills his father. I was confused
Speaker 2: that they were celebrating at the end, drinking shot like nothing,
Speaker 2: like they hadn't just witnessed something incredibly traumatic. That was
Speaker 2: a little strange for me. The joyous ending with the
Speaker 2: three friends.
Speaker 3: I mean, that could have I didn't think anything of that.
Speaker 1: Really, that's funny.
Speaker 3: That's me is.
Speaker 1: A little odd.
Speaker 3: That was I guess very I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I can't cross my mind before this moment, But.
Speaker 2: I loved watching those three women work through regret, jealousy,
Speaker 2: bad choices, and still find that love for one another.
Speaker 1: I thought it was beautiful. I loved it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you commented on them plenty plenty.
Speaker 2: And then kry Koone's character Laurie, who goes off and and.
Speaker 1: Puts herself in a very scary position.
Speaker 2: I think for most of the characters in this series,
Speaker 2: they pushed it to the limit. And then when something happened,
Speaker 2: or the worst case or what they thought would be
Speaker 2: the worst case scenario happened. It actually gave them the
Speaker 2: perspective they needed to be better, to do better, to
Speaker 2: realize that what really is important in life is your
Speaker 2: relationships and the love that you have for each other,
Speaker 2: not what you're not getting, not what you're losing. Sadly though,
Speaker 2: that was lost on Rick, and that's why Rick and
Speaker 2: Chelsea perhaps had to go. What do you think about
Speaker 2: just the voyeurism? How many people tune into this series
Speaker 2: to see rich people, privileged people behave badly, and how
Speaker 2: do you think they handled telling the stories of the
Speaker 2: people who are the support staff, the people who try
Speaker 2: to make these vacations perfect and beautiful for all of
Speaker 2: these privileged people.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's just a good show. I don't
Speaker 3: think too much. And again there are critics out there
Speaker 3: and people who are cultural observers and write about that stuff.
Speaker 3: It just it's just an excellent show. It's just well acted,
Speaker 3: and it's so well written. It's sharp, it's clever, it's timely.
Speaker 3: It's just no matter what, it's a well done show.
Speaker 3: So I feel things and react to things that I see,
Speaker 3: But I don't. I'm not examining the show looking for
Speaker 3: those nuggets in that moment and to interpret and say
Speaker 3: that this is wrong and this is right on. And
Speaker 3: so no, I don't view it. I don't see it
Speaker 3: as a as voyeurism necessarily. I know it's been talked
Speaker 3: about plenty, but I I just enjoy. I enjoy people
Speaker 3: in the watching masters of their craft and everybody who
Speaker 3: was acting in that show, and everybody put that show together.
Speaker 3: It's just you're seeing that should be a stack of
Speaker 3: Emmys just sitting there waiting just hand them out to
Speaker 3: this entire staff, this entire cast. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: I the acting was some of the best I have
Speaker 2: ever seen. The writing spot on and I love how
Speaker 2: each season they bring in different people unexpectedly to all
Speaker 2: be at these resorts.
Speaker 1: And the.
Speaker 2: Writing and the character development is I'm imagining like probably
Speaker 2: one of the best you could get as an actor
Speaker 2: when you get a role like that. Now, the incest
Speaker 2: for me, that was if I had to complain about
Speaker 2: the show something that I just thought went too far.
Speaker 2: I was very uncomfortable with the decision to bring an incest.
Speaker 2: I don't know why it was necessary. Maybe it was
Speaker 2: just to simply be provocative, but it actually made me
Speaker 2: feel physically ill.
Speaker 1: And I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I get that that's part of what art is.
Speaker 2: It makes you feel things. They're not always good, sometimes
Speaker 2: they're bad, sometimes they're ugly. But I did not enjoy
Speaker 2: that for one moment. In fact, I looked away.
Speaker 3: Nobody would, obviously, but it was yes, meant to get
Speaker 3: a reaction. I can't remember which producer, but they've been
Speaker 3: on the record is saying that that storyline had had
Speaker 3: a point, that you get the point of it at
Speaker 3: the end of the season. I don't necessarily feel that
Speaker 3: and understand how that dynamic between the brothers. What role
Speaker 3: it played in me understanding this final episode or the
Speaker 3: final couple episodes, I don't know.
Speaker 2: The only thing that I could gather from that was
Speaker 2: hearing from the young son.
Speaker 1: I believe his name is Lachlin right.
Speaker 2: He basically was explaining to his brother that he's a
Speaker 2: people pleaser and that he wanted to make him happy,
Speaker 2: and he thought that maybe his brother felt left out.
Speaker 2: There was a threesome going on. If you haven't seen.
Speaker 2: If you haven't seen, you probably aren't listening to this,
Speaker 2: so I'm sure people are following along without having to
Speaker 2: get two into the weeds about what exactly happened. But
Speaker 2: the fact that you could be that much of a
Speaker 2: people pleaser that you would do something so a boring
Speaker 2: if you thought in the moment it would make someone
Speaker 2: else feel good.
Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't think about it that way at all.
Speaker 3: I mean, I heard that was an uncomfortable probably the
Speaker 3: most uncomfortable conversation of the entire season. But no, I
Speaker 3: don't get how it helped me along in the story.
Speaker 3: I'm sure I'll no, I'm not gonna look that up.
Speaker 3: Actually no, but I'm sure if somebody's trying to figure
Speaker 3: that out. But it just it was apparently incest stories
Speaker 3: oftentimes has been in plenty of movies and shows where
Speaker 3: incest storylines for some reason are incorporated and writers have
Speaker 3: their reason for it. I didn't get it on this one.
Speaker 2: I also thought it was interesting that, even as an
Speaker 2: actor to get a script, I mentioned how awesome it
Speaker 2: must be to get scripts like this because they're so
Speaker 2: well written and the characters are so complex and probably
Speaker 2: pretty fun to play. But if you're Patrick Schwarzenegger, I
Speaker 2: wonder if he gave pause to portraying that I know
Speaker 2: that his mother, Marius River, actually, when being interviewed, had
Speaker 2: to make a point or felt like she needed to
Speaker 2: make a point to say to everyone, you know, obviously
Speaker 2: my son isn't anything like his character, which also just
Speaker 2: felt weird and strange that that would even have to
Speaker 2: be mentioned, because of course he is an actor. But
Speaker 2: maybe perhaps the script is so uncomfortable and the theme
Speaker 2: is so cringe worthy that she felt like she needed
Speaker 2: to just make that extra clear.
Speaker 3: Okay, we don't have to talk about it anymore.
Speaker 2: Yes, we can move on from there. But to me,
Speaker 2: that was a tough and then for them to take
Speaker 2: on it's not just suicide, but as you pointed out,
Speaker 2: murder suicide, that was also a choice that at times
Speaker 2: became almost too much for me to watch. I believe
Speaker 2: it was maybe the second or third to last episode
Speaker 2: where we saw Tim the character the father, actually open
Speaker 2: up and it looked as though he did kill his
Speaker 2: family and then kill himself, only for all of us
Speaker 2: who are watching to realize it was just.
Speaker 1: In his head.
Speaker 2: Duke got even involved as well. We talked about this
Speaker 2: on the Morning Run. They didn't like it so much.
Speaker 2: Either that he did all of that while wearing a
Speaker 2: very loud and proud Duke T shirt while this was
Speaker 2: all going on, and it was also mentioned, I didn't realize.
Speaker 1: That if you zoomed in now, I'm trying to is it.
Speaker 1: I can't remember the name.
Speaker 2: The blender was actually made by a company, and everyone
Speaker 2: said that that pr company is now going to go
Speaker 2: on a total campaign trying to take that image out
Speaker 2: of anyone's heads that somehow their blenders had a poisonous
Speaker 2: concoction inside of it that was going to be used
Speaker 2: to kill and murder a family. So yes, it's funny
Speaker 2: how product placement normally is something you'd want in a series,
Speaker 2: not so much necessarily in some.
Speaker 1: Of these scenes.
Speaker 3: What's the name of the blender company?
Speaker 2: I was going to look at up right now, but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: It's a very very famous I didn't.
Speaker 3: See it and didn't know about it, so I, for
Speaker 3: the most part, they shouldn't put a statement out because
Speaker 3: for folks who watched it, I didn't see the blender.
Speaker 3: So the only reason I'm aware of it now is
Speaker 3: because you said, so just leave it alone, folks. If
Speaker 3: I could recommend anything to the company, just let it ride.
Speaker 1: Let it ride. So I won't even mention it which
Speaker 1: one it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well just let it ride. But for Duke, this
Speaker 3: was the exact point they made in putting out a
Speaker 3: statement after that. What was it two episodes ago, maybe
Speaker 3: when the whole suicide scene was at the front and
Speaker 3: the dad wearing the Duke shirt holds a gun to
Speaker 3: his head, Well, that became a meme online and that
Speaker 3: was going to forever be used every time you see
Speaker 3: that image, he's holding a gun to his head and
Speaker 3: it says Duke on it. And sure enough, what happened
Speaker 3: when Duke lost in the final four over the weekend
Speaker 3: in stunning fashion, those memes were everywhere of showing essentially
Speaker 3: what looks like a Duke fan wanting to kill himself,
Speaker 3: and that is what Duke was afraid of, and that's
Speaker 3: just going to be out there forever.
Speaker 2: Now you mentioned that a couple of weeks ago, You're like, man,
Speaker 2: if anything goes wrong with Duke, this is what they're
Speaker 2: trying to avoid, and this is what they don't want
Speaker 2: to happen.
Speaker 1: What did you think.
Speaker 2: Of the scene and the decision to take the five
Speaker 2: million dollars Belinda, who has been there from season one
Speaker 2: and season two and was technically well at least promised
Speaker 2: Bunny by Jennifer Coolidge's character Tanya before she was killed.
Speaker 2: So her now husband or ex husband ends up buying silence,
Speaker 2: builing her silence about where he is and what his
Speaker 2: role may have been from Belinda and her son was
Speaker 2: very very excited about her taking the money.
Speaker 1: What do you think about that choice?
Speaker 3: That the choice? There were two moral moments in this
Speaker 3: final episode. That was one of them that to be discussed.
Speaker 3: What would you do? This is someone that we've all
Speaker 3: come to know as a kind, a warm and a
Speaker 3: decent woman who stood by for a long time, stood
Speaker 3: by this notion that she would not be bought, that
Speaker 3: she could not be bought, that she had principles she
Speaker 3: would stand up for. That is a question what would
Speaker 3: any of us do at that point? And I think
Speaker 3: that was a great question to put before all the viewers.
Speaker 3: You'd have that in your own mind, what would you do?
Speaker 3: And you look at a woman. You might look at
Speaker 3: her and say that's an awful decision, how could you?
Speaker 3: But then you have a history with her that you
Speaker 3: know she's a good woman. So I think that was
Speaker 3: a brilliant. I think that was a marvelous part of
Speaker 3: the and one of my favorite parts of this final episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, just for the record, I was glad she
Speaker 2: took the money. I wanted her to take the money.
Speaker 2: I thought that, and I actually liked how Gary told
Speaker 2: her that he felt like Tanya would have wanted her
Speaker 2: to have the money. It almost made it gave her
Speaker 2: permission that it was okay that she killed.
Speaker 3: But did he kill her?
Speaker 1: He didn't kill her. She fell off the boat.
Speaker 3: Okay, But I thought that was an understanding that the guy,
Speaker 3: the husband of Jennifer Coolidge that gave the money in
Speaker 3: this last episode, I thought he was wanted for questioning
Speaker 3: you said he didn't kill her.
Speaker 2: She fell off the boat after being chased by a
Speaker 2: bunch of game out on the boat, on the yacht
Speaker 2: that she was on, who were all trying to kill her.
Speaker 1: So she was going to die.
Speaker 2: She ended up in a hilarious fashion as she was
Speaker 2: running from people who were trying to kill her.
Speaker 1: She fell off the yacht and died.
Speaker 3: Okay, but is he a good guy or bad guy?
Speaker 2: The husband remains to be seen because it was absolutely
Speaker 2: I mean, I took from it that he was with
Speaker 2: her for her money.
Speaker 3: No wait, wait, wait wait, but the whole the black
Speaker 3: Blenda was the whole point of this was the whole season.
Speaker 3: She was saying or accusing this guy. And yes, it
Speaker 3: was supposed to be quiet money, so be quiet for what.
Speaker 2: He didn't want to be questioned by police. He doesn't
Speaker 2: want anyone to know where he was. He doesn't want
Speaker 2: anyone to know. He doesn't want to have to talk
Speaker 2: about what happened to Tanya to Jennifer Cooligche's care.
Speaker 3: But she definitely believed that he killed him.
Speaker 1: She absolutely believed it, absolutely.
Speaker 2: And you know he was behind perhaps the plot. I
Speaker 2: think that's what's implied. There was a bunch of game
Speaker 2: out on this boat.
Speaker 3: We killed her then, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean her actual death was accidental.
Speaker 3: But if he was the head of the snake, then
Speaker 3: he is going to get more time in jail than
Speaker 3: the ones who actually killed him.
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to answer any questions. And Belinda's character
Speaker 2: knew that.
Speaker 3: But I was sure their boat was going to blow
Speaker 3: up at the end. The last two people you see
Speaker 3: on the episode are Belinda and her son on a
Speaker 3: boat going off essentially into the sunset. Beautiful, beautiful cinematography
Speaker 3: at the end, by the way, whoever put that together?
Speaker 3: But I I was waiting on that boat to blow.
Speaker 3: I just said, Wow, is she really going this is
Speaker 3: going to be her happy ending, She's going to go on.
Speaker 3: I just knew something was going to happen to them.
Speaker 1: Well, it is a dark comedy, so that was very possible.
Speaker 2: But I will say that I think you're looking for
Speaker 2: who gets to write off into the sunset, And I
Speaker 2: was very happy that Belinda and her son got to
Speaker 2: do just that. And it wasn't about just finding the
Speaker 2: romantic connection. It was also about having her own Now
Speaker 2: she's got her own purpose. I love when he was like, hey,
Speaker 2: what about your guy? I thought you guys were going
Speaker 2: to start a spa together. I thought you guys were
Speaker 2: gonna have She's like, can I just enjoy this moment
Speaker 2: on my own?
Speaker 1: I appreciated that. I thought that was really cool.
Speaker 3: Way who was saying that there?
Speaker 2: Her son was asking her if she wanted to bring
Speaker 2: the new boy. The new guy with her, the man
Speaker 2: she met in who was another they were going to
Speaker 2: start a business together. He was working there at the spa,
Speaker 2: at the white load of spa and she kind of
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I think I'm good, Like, let me
Speaker 2: just have this moment for myself, doesn't have to be
Speaker 2: about a guy or about a relationship.
Speaker 3: Her line was, can I just be rich for five minutes?
Speaker 3: There's a line she hit him with. And she was
Speaker 3: so quiet, and her personality throughout the show she was
Speaker 3: very maybe even timid, but she was certainly kind of
Speaker 3: on the quieter end. And to see her exert some
Speaker 3: kind of power and confidence at times, I like that
Speaker 3: because she hasn't been necessarily my favorite character throughout. She
Speaker 3: could find but she just there wasn't a whole lot
Speaker 3: there necessarily, like some of the other characters, for her
Speaker 3: to come out of that in these last episodes I liked.
Speaker 2: I love that she came out in power that actually
Speaker 2: made me feel very happy. I liked how they tied
Speaker 2: that one up.
Speaker 1: What did you think about?
Speaker 2: I was trying to find the name of his character,
Speaker 2: the guard who was in love with the girl who
Speaker 2: ended up shooting our guy in the back unfortunately because
Speaker 2: he was being told to kill him kill him, ends
Speaker 2: up becoming the head woman's driver in the end and
Speaker 2: gets the girl.
Speaker 3: Didn't care about that guy from episode one to episode eight.
Speaker 3: Didn't feel anything for him, didn't care, wasn't rooting for him,
Speaker 3: wasn't rooting against him. Didn't care if he lived a dad,
Speaker 3: don't care, Still don't care if he got the job,
Speaker 3: don't care if he wrecked that SUV when they will leave.
Speaker 3: I just don't care about that guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny. I felt the same way.
Speaker 2: I think because like you, kind of felt sorry for him,
Speaker 2: but he was spineless. He never knew what to do.
Speaker 2: He was always wishy, washy. He was always trying to
Speaker 2: either please the girl or say he was a Buddhist.
Speaker 1: But I never felt.
Speaker 2: In any way like, yes, I actually wouldn't have cared
Speaker 2: if he had died.
Speaker 3: I'm not applauding him getting the gar I'm not happy
Speaker 3: for him at the end. He shot a guy in
Speaker 3: the back. I'm not gonna respect that if that wasn't
Speaker 3: even a confrontation, right, he didn't redeem himself. He shot
Speaker 3: a guy in the back because a woman was yelling
Speaker 3: at him to do so.
Speaker 1: He does what he's told. Doesn't it seem like that?
Speaker 2: So maybe that's maybe we were supposed to not feel
Speaker 2: anything for him, except for maybe even a little bit
Speaker 2: of disgust.
Speaker 3: And masterful and the way they write these folks in
Speaker 3: He still got what he wanted ultimately, but he didn't
Speaker 3: have to be tough. He shot somebody in the back,
Speaker 3: right and got the gig. Okay, that's fine, but yeah,
Speaker 3: that was a character. I didn't care about him dating
Speaker 3: the girl. Didn't care. She was sweet as pie, didn't
Speaker 3: care at.
Speaker 2: All, but already manipulating him because she basically let him know,
Speaker 2: unless you've got money in, unless you have the job
Speaker 2: I want, or you're ambitious in some sort of way,
Speaker 2: or i'm confident, I don't want to be with you.
Speaker 2: In fact, my mom is having trouble with her back,
Speaker 2: and so I don't think I can go on a
Speaker 2: date with you tonight.
Speaker 1: Yes, so she was sweet but manipulative.
Speaker 3: I had a nickel every time I heard that excuse.
Speaker 2: But you know what you mentioned, he shot someone in
Speaker 2: the back. He didn't just shoot anyone in the back.
Speaker 2: He shot Rick in the back. And we all loved Rick.
Speaker 2: He was a guy who just couldn't get rid of
Speaker 2: his demons. And when you know, there was such a
Speaker 2: sweet moment, Oh this sounds silly, and you were like, okay,
Speaker 2: here she goes again. But I actually almost started crying
Speaker 2: at that scene at breakfast.
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, when.
Speaker 2: She ran, when Chelsea ran to go see Rick, when
Speaker 2: she saw that he was okay, that everything was okay,
Speaker 2: and that you know, he had done what he needed
Speaker 2: to do when he was at peace. And so they
Speaker 2: were sitting there at breakfast, and she talked about spending
Speaker 2: their life together, and she was always kind of searching
Speaker 2: or fishing for him to agree with her or to say, yes,
Speaker 2: let's be together. He told yeah, like that's the plan.
Speaker 2: And the smile he just said that's the plan, and
Speaker 2: this smile that went over her face. You could feel
Speaker 2: it like she didn't have to say anything, He didn't
Speaker 2: have to say anything else. It was just, Oh, that
Speaker 2: was such a powerful moment.
Speaker 3: If that was the moment, I was sure she was
Speaker 3: going to die, that was the moment because we've been
Speaker 3: waiting on her to get that one thing from him
Speaker 3: the entire season, the entire she never got it until
Speaker 3: that moment that things were looking too up. That's when
Speaker 3: I oh, when she said that, when when he said
Speaker 3: that to her.
Speaker 2: We're gonna make it, she said something. I won't get
Speaker 2: the exact quote, but like, we're going to be together forever.
Speaker 2: I really believe we're going to be together forever. And
Speaker 2: he said that's the plan.
Speaker 3: Oh and really that Walter, Walter Walton excuse me, Walton
Speaker 3: Goggins is his name. He wants to show you know
Speaker 3: who he is. But I encourage you all to go
Speaker 3: watch anything he's in. He's just a great and he
Speaker 3: has a great relationship with HBO that goes back to
Speaker 3: several series. But Righteous Jimstone if you haven't seen that one,
Speaker 3: and the other is Vice Principles. Those two shows, they're
Speaker 3: comedies on HBO previous series he was on. Please please
Speaker 3: go watch that and go watch him. He is just incredible.
Speaker 2: So you have introduced me to him. You know, he's
Speaker 2: got one of those faces that I always like. Yes,
Speaker 2: I knew, but I didn't know his name, and I
Speaker 2: really couldn't have told you anything specifically that he was in. So, yes,
Speaker 2: we've been watching the VP show and I have been
Speaker 2: laughing out loud. But it's pretty cool. Walter Goggins on Instagram.
Speaker 1: I believe you put it out.
Speaker 2: He didn't twelve hours ago, so you certainly let everybody
Speaker 2: watch it. There were no spoiler alerts, but he put
Speaker 2: a picture of him with Chelsea with Amy Lu's character
Speaker 2: on the beach that moment when she saw him, and
Speaker 2: he wrote Rick, Rick plus Chelsea with the heaviest of hearts.
Speaker 2: To me, ours was a love story. It was only
Speaker 2: ever a love story hindered by unresolved childhood trauma. We
Speaker 2: all have them, but we can all move past them.
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. He actually took his character.
Speaker 2: And the theme of at least what he played with
Speaker 2: Amy Lou would and made it into a whole beautiful
Speaker 2: Instagram post that I would encourage everybody to read because
Speaker 2: it's actually really beautiful, talking about how this spoke to
Speaker 2: him that even in the depths of our despair, there
Speaker 2: is always beauty all around us. We can sit with
Speaker 2: our pain and not react, but not be defined by it.
Speaker 1: It's there.
Speaker 2: The love the world is constantly giving in any given moment,
Speaker 2: is always there, always waiting for us to see it.
Speaker 1: I thought that was really cool.
Speaker 2: That summed up what it seemed like to me watching
Speaker 2: the two of them, And I just love that he
Speaker 2: put that out there on Instagram.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, if you all don't know, he's a cool,
Speaker 3: cool talent. Yeah, And he was more intense in this
Speaker 3: one than I've seen him before, usually in a comedic role,
Speaker 3: but he was I loved. He might have been my
Speaker 3: favorite character in the show. Yeah, who was your favorite character?
Speaker 2: So my favorite character, hands down was Chelsea played by
Speaker 2: Ammy Lou Amy Lou.
Speaker 1: I thought she was.
Speaker 3: Awesome, probably not a surprise, and I like the guy
Speaker 3: that she was in love with on the show, Walter Gogins,
Speaker 3: this character Rick and again they were a very dynamic couple.
Speaker 3: The what's her name Lori Kuhn Kerry Kuon Kerry Kohon,
Speaker 3: who plays Lori. I wasn't as into the you maybe
Speaker 3: because you have groups of friends like that, but three women,
Speaker 3: the way they are with each other and every time
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, that's exactly what we do, and yep,
Speaker 3: to go over here and talk about the other one.
Speaker 3: Then they swap out and that whole thing. I wasn't
Speaker 3: as big a fan of that because it wasn't my lane.
Speaker 2: I was laughing out loud because I don't know what
Speaker 2: this is. Ladies who are listening, tell me if this
Speaker 2: is true in your life. I can go back from
Speaker 2: when I was a kid with my girl cousins.
Speaker 1: There always tends.
Speaker 2: To be a threesome for whatever reason, there is a
Speaker 2: triangle of friends. Look at Sabine's friend group right now,
Speaker 2: you're love she has a threesome. I can go back
Speaker 2: to all these different periods of my life and there
Speaker 2: always seems to be a threesome of girls who kind
Speaker 2: of band together, and with that always comes some issues.
Speaker 2: So I just thought it was really interesting that the
Speaker 2: writer that they actually explored that, because that's been a
Speaker 2: theme throughout my life and you know.
Speaker 1: Good, bad, ugly, sad.
Speaker 2: But I thought it was really sweet how they brought
Speaker 2: it all together and how they realized there was love there. Yes,
Speaker 2: there's competition there, yes, sometimes to team up against one
Speaker 2: and then those teams switch around over the years. I
Speaker 2: just thought it was brilliantly written and it had heart,
Speaker 2: but it also had some sharp edges that all of
Speaker 2: us can look inward at when you see writing like
Speaker 2: that that really reflects life. I just spoke to me, Yes,
Speaker 2: I know you weren't as into it that part of
Speaker 2: the show, but I really really really liked it.
Speaker 3: But I love those three actresses. I mean love, love
Speaker 3: Michelle Monahan. That goes back for the years, and oh
Speaker 3: my god, love Michelle monihanue I just love her. And
Speaker 3: GiB Leslie.
Speaker 1: Yea Leslie, GiB she'sat.
Speaker 3: She crushes everything she's ever ever in. Just love her.
Speaker 3: But it was Kuhn who had the speech. I said,
Speaker 3: there were two moments in the show, and Carrie Kuhn
Speaker 3: had the other one that I thought was the biggest moment,
Speaker 3: her speech at dinner. Yeah, she delivered it brilliantly with
Speaker 3: her acting, but the message that was within that I
Speaker 3: thought it was great. And ultimately she said, I'm just
Speaker 3: happy to be at the table with you all, and
Speaker 3: it wasn't a matter of pity or you all are
Speaker 3: better than me. She put this story. She really did
Speaker 3: weave together their entire lives and their story and their
Speaker 3: friendship in a really cool way. Whoever wrote I would
Speaker 3: like to know the person who wrote that speech, Like
Speaker 3: the single individual who wrote that particular line. I would
Speaker 3: like to look up of that particular speech. It was great.
Speaker 2: It moved me like I felt emotional on this final episode,
Speaker 2: and I do think they did such a good job
Speaker 2: of bringing that all together, like the ups and down
Speaker 2: of this threesome on this vacation. I just that, Yes,
Speaker 2: that final scene at dinner was so powerful. I loved it.
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that Belinda and her son who sailed off
Speaker 2: into the sunset, take us to the next White Lotus.
Speaker 2: Maybe she creates a White Lotus, or maybe she creates
Speaker 2: something that's all her own. But I would continue to
Speaker 2: watch her, and I will keep being an avid fan
Speaker 2: of the White Lotus for as many seasons as they'll
Speaker 2: put out. I'm already feeling a little sad because it
Speaker 2: was something that was so exciting to look forward to
Speaker 2: for you, Babe, March badness is winding down and the
Speaker 2: White Lotus is.
Speaker 1: Done for now.
Speaker 2: But I actually wouldn't mind going back and watching season
Speaker 2: one in season two until I wait until what?
Speaker 1: Until I wait? As I wait for season four?
Speaker 3: Has it been announced?
Speaker 1: No, I'm just hoping.
Speaker 3: But it's coming. But yeah, again, another season well done.
Speaker 3: But I did like a I'm just a writing fan.
Speaker 3: I love good storytelling and good writing, and this was
Speaker 3: just to see it at that scale, to see it
Speaker 3: at that level is just really really impressive. So most
Speaker 3: people listening have already checked it out, But if you haven't,
Speaker 3: by all means.
Speaker 1: We've just spoiled everything.
Speaker 3: Maybe we made some people curious, like, oh, I didn't
Speaker 3: know all this was going on. Let me check that out.
Speaker 2: There are people who love to read the last page
Speaker 2: of a book like you sometimes and know how it's
Speaker 2: going to end, and then enjoy the process already knowing
Speaker 2: what the outcome is. So that could be one another
Speaker 2: way to watch this season. But thank you for listening
Speaker 2: to this episode of Amy and DJ Helpe.
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