1 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to Amy and TJ. And I am very. 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 2: Excited about this episode because we're gonna talk all things 3 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 2: The White Lotus. 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: Season three finale was Sunday night. 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 2: We watched it the next day because yes, nine pm 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 2: is passed our bedtime most days, but it did not 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 2: disappoint eight weeks. 8 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: We had eight episodes. 9 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 2: This time around, and each season has been unexpected, at 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 2: least in terms of the ending, and you're always trying 11 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 2: to figure out who's gonna die, who's gonna live, who's 12 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 2: gonna walk off into. 13 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: The sunset together. 14 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: So we have a lot to unpack from season three. 15 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 2: It's finale, and you know, it's one of those one 16 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: of those series that draws me in. At least I 17 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 2: can speak for myself on this. I'm a huge fan 18 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: of Downton Abbey. I'm a big fan of Below Deck. 19 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: We both like that show, and it's this introspective look 20 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: into what's happening upstairs, what's happening downstairs, the rich and 21 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: the privileged versus the people who are working to make 22 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: their experience a fun one. It's about the dark side 23 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 2: of vacation, and gosh, it explored so many different themes. 24 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 2: I don't know where to start, but this season was 25 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 2: potentially one of the most controversial. We had themes of incest, 26 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: which was difficult, suicide which is always difficult, and yeah, 27 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 2: who done it, Who's bad, who's good, who's evil, who's not. 28 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: I did not think the episode. Disappointed and we have 29 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: not talked about how we each thought about the finale. 30 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: So TJ, what did you think about I. 31 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 3: Was disappointed with how far it went. It was too 32 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 3: violent for me. Really, I didn't like that part. I 33 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 3: know it was a part of it. I'm saying I 34 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 3: just got used to something with the show and that 35 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 3: kind of threw me off, and I didn't like it 36 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 3: was violent. It became some bizarre action, very violent sequence 37 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 3: of point blank shooting somebody and then shooting somebody in 38 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 3: the back, and I just I didn't like. Don't get 39 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 3: me wrong, they take their creative license, and I think 40 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 3: it was The show is consistently amazing, but it's not 41 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 3: what I would have gone for or liked. In the end. 42 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 3: It was just too violent for me. This is not 43 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 3: a criticism of the writers. It's just for what I 44 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 3: went along with and what I prefer to see. 45 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, the shootout scene was a little confusing to me, 46 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: just because so many people got in on it. I 47 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: was really truly expecting one death, and then the death 48 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: you thought that was happening didn't happen. 49 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: It was, but it was for me. 50 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 2: It was exciting, and I hate to glorify any kind 51 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: of violence, but I did appreciate it. I know a 52 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: lot of people had lots of questions about the choices 53 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: that this season went with, but I enjoyed the final show, 54 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 2: end of story, and my favorite part was the sad 55 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 2: part because I loved the love story. 56 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: Do you know what love story I'm talking about? 57 00:02:58,720 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: Oh? 58 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, they died at the end together. That was the 59 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: love story. Ultimately, everybody came around just having him get 60 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 3: some redemption finally in the end and them seemingly on 61 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 3: their way to being finding peace and being happily ever after, 62 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 3: and then they died quite dramatically. I think having them 63 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 3: both die was a I mean crazy that sounds was 64 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 3: a nice touch because we love these characters so much. 65 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 3: We as far as the audience, I know, Rick played 66 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 3: by Walter Goggins's he was a very confusing and conflicted 67 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 3: and even a character you didn't like at times because 68 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 3: of the way he treated her. But you thought he 69 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 3: found his piece and we thought they were going to 70 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: be on their way, and to have them go out 71 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 3: like that was I think well done. 72 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. Chelsea Amy played by Amy lou Wood. 73 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: It was consistent among everyone I talked with who watched 74 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 2: the show, she was the crowd favorite. I feel like 75 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 2: in each of these seasons, they've got that character that 76 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: you love and that you're rooting for. Jennifer Coolidge definitely 77 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: stole the show in the other seasons, but I just 78 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 2: felt like amylu Wood and her portrayal of Chelsea and 79 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: her love, her absolute love of him was beautiful. I 80 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 2: was really touched by it. I hated that she died, 81 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 2: but I agree. I'm glad that they both went together. 82 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 2: And everyone was waiting for something to happen to the 83 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 2: wealthy family with the Oh my gosh, Parker Posey stole 84 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 2: the show in just how she portrayed this North Carolina, rich, 85 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 2: out of touch woman and then her troubled husband who 86 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: was contemplating suicide the entire time. Timothy Rattliff played by 87 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: Jason Isaac's but I just thought everyone was expecting something 88 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 2: to happen with that family. 89 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: And they almost went there multiple times. 90 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 2: I felt like they teased us a little too much 91 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 2: with that family to expect it to actually happen in 92 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: the end. 93 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know how it felt about 94 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 3: the whole family situation, the possible suicide, the murder suicide. 95 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 3: I guess it would be he was going to kill 96 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 3: his whole family. That family, they were characters. I like 97 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 3: there was something about the family dynamic that I never got, 98 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 3: never got on board with the entire season, but it 99 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 3: didn't take into the last It wasn't to this last 100 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 3: episode that I felt that they were telling us something. 101 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 3: Everybody was flawed. Everybody was like really really messed up 102 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 3: and putting on in some way. Even Patrick's fortuning his character. 103 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 3: He even got a little lonely or empty looking at 104 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 3: somebody else being happy, like he realized that he was not. 105 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 3: There was nothing to him. Almost everybody just came around. 106 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 3: And the sister going to the monaster, she wants to 107 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 3: be to stay there for a year, but then she 108 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 3: comes back and says, well, you know what, I I'm 109 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 3: just too too much of a princess, Like she had 110 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 3: to come to that realization. The mom and dad of 111 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 3: course messed up. But the I thought the son and 112 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 3: the girl, the young lady it was with Rick, I 113 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 3: thought those two. As this episode was going along, I said, 114 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 3: they're gonna kill these two because these are the only 115 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 3: two people who were kind of innocent in this whole mess, 116 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 3: and they had been impacted by the bad decisions of 117 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 3: people around them and people they loved. I said, they 118 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 3: got to kill these two. I thought the kid was 119 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 3: a corner oh right. 120 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 2: When they showed him drowning, I absolutely thought he was 121 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 2: going to die. I didn't know how they were going 122 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 2: to handle that. So I thought it was interesting that 123 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 2: he came back, but that gave his father the potential. 124 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 2: Timothy Ratliff, who the entire time was really struggling with 125 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 2: his massive financial loss, that he hadn't told his family 126 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 2: about his potential illegal activity, that he hadn't told his 127 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 2: family about keeping this secret, and worrying that the loss 128 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: of wealth, that the loss of reputation. He would rather 129 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 2: not just kill himself, but kill them because he didn't 130 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: think they could handle life outside of privilege, that they 131 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 2: could handle life outside of having a reputation that was 132 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: above everyone else. So yes, I think by bringing the 133 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 2: sun back. It was a beautiful moment. A light bulb 134 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 2: went off in his head finally, finally that yes, things 135 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 2: might be different, and they might not have the money, 136 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: and he might be in prison, but they have each other. 137 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: Sounds cheesy, but I did really feel that at the 138 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,799 Speaker 2: end in the boat, and it did make me feel 139 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 2: a little warm and fuzzy, even though I know this 140 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 2: is a dark comedy and it was. 141 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 3: Is that what is characterized as because it was it 142 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 3: was too much dark than comedy for me in the 143 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 3: last episode. I don't know. I just I was the 144 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 3: energy for me was it was an enjoyable thing throughout 145 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 3: and it became violent. Yes, somebody's going to prison. Possibly, 146 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 3: it just became I don't know, I felt that way. 147 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 3: It just became a little too Again. I think they 148 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 3: did the right thing. I think they nail it from 149 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 3: a creative standpoint, But just as me watching, I don't know, 150 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 3: maybe I was hoping for a more a happier ending than. 151 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: Yeah we got yeah. I mean yeah. 152 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 2: For me, I guess the happy ending was just knowing 153 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 2: that that family, maybe he figured something out, maybe they'll 154 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 2: go on to be better people. But the other thing, 155 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: it wasn't surprising to me, I think almost I guessed it. 156 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you did too. Did we talk about 157 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: the fact. 158 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: That Rick's nemesis, the man who he thought killed his father, 159 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: was in fact his father. 160 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: I felt like they laid that on pretty heavily. 161 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 3: Well. I thought in the last episode it was confirmed. 162 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 3: I mean, I thought the whole time they were at 163 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 3: the house and he's there confronting the guy and say, yeah, 164 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 3: it's gonna. 165 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 2: Be a that Yeah, And when he said your dad 166 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 2: wasn't a good guy and your mom lied to you, 167 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: like I kind of knew he was talking about himself. 168 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: So I was surprised that that was. 169 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 2: Completely lost on Rick, completely to the point where he 170 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: actually decided to do the thing he had chosen not to, 171 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: which was to kill him and set off this whole 172 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 2: chain of events something else that was interesting to me. 173 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 2: So I loved the whole dynamic with the Michelle Monahan 174 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 2: character Jacqueline was her name, Leslie Bibbs character Kate, and 175 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 2: then the friend Carrie Coon, who was amazing playing Lori. 176 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 2: The three women there who were childhood best friends who 177 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 2: then kind of worked through some stuff. I guess while 178 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 2: they were at the resort. I thought it was brilliantly written. 179 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: I thought that was where a lot of the comedy 180 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 2: was for me. I know there was some darkness there too, 181 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 2: but I thought it was just on point in so 182 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 2: many ways. 183 00:08:58,240 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: I absolutely loved it. 184 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 2: But they were right there when the shots were being fired, 185 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: right there when Rick kills his father. I was confused 186 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 2: that they were celebrating at the end, drinking shot like nothing, 187 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: like they hadn't just witnessed something incredibly traumatic. That was 188 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 2: a little strange for me. The joyous ending with the 189 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: three friends. 190 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 3: I mean, that could have I didn't think anything of that. 191 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: Really, that's funny. 192 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 3: That's me is. 193 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: A little odd. 194 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 3: That was I guess very I mean, I don't know, 195 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 3: I can't cross my mind before this moment, But. 196 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 2: I loved watching those three women work through regret, jealousy, 197 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 2: bad choices, and still find that love for one another. 198 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: I thought it was beautiful. I loved it. 199 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you commented on them plenty plenty. 200 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 2: And then kry Koone's character Laurie, who goes off and and. 201 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: Puts herself in a very scary position. 202 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 2: I think for most of the characters in this series, 203 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: they pushed it to the limit. And then when something happened, 204 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: or the worst case or what they thought would be 205 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: the worst case scenario happened. It actually gave them the 206 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: perspective they needed to be better, to do better, to 207 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 2: realize that what really is important in life is your 208 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 2: relationships and the love that you have for each other, 209 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 2: not what you're not getting, not what you're losing. Sadly though, 210 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 2: that was lost on Rick, and that's why Rick and 211 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 2: Chelsea perhaps had to go. What do you think about 212 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: just the voyeurism? How many people tune into this series 213 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 2: to see rich people, privileged people behave badly, and how 214 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 2: do you think they handled telling the stories of the 215 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 2: people who are the support staff, the people who try 216 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 2: to make these vacations perfect and beautiful for all of 217 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: these privileged people. 218 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 3: I don't know. It's just a good show. I don't 219 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 3: think too much. And again there are critics out there 220 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 3: and people who are cultural observers and write about that stuff. 221 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 3: It just it's just an excellent show. It's just well acted, 222 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 3: and it's so well written. It's sharp, it's clever, it's timely. 223 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 3: It's just no matter what, it's a well done show. 224 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 3: So I feel things and react to things that I see, 225 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 3: But I don't. I'm not examining the show looking for 226 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 3: those nuggets in that moment and to interpret and say 227 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 3: that this is wrong and this is right on. And 228 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 3: so no, I don't view it. I don't see it 229 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 3: as a as voyeurism necessarily. I know it's been talked 230 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 3: about plenty, but I I just enjoy. I enjoy people 231 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 3: in the watching masters of their craft and everybody who 232 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 3: was acting in that show, and everybody put that show together. 233 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 3: It's just you're seeing that should be a stack of 234 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 3: Emmys just sitting there waiting just hand them out to 235 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 3: this entire staff, this entire cast. It's unbelievable. 236 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: I agree. 237 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 2: I the acting was some of the best I have 238 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 2: ever seen. The writing spot on and I love how 239 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 2: each season they bring in different people unexpectedly to all 240 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 2: be at these resorts. 241 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: And the. 242 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 2: Writing and the character development is I'm imagining like probably 243 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 2: one of the best you could get as an actor 244 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 2: when you get a role like that. Now, the incest 245 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 2: for me, that was if I had to complain about 246 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 2: the show something that I just thought went too far. 247 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 2: I was very uncomfortable with the decision to bring an incest. 248 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 2: I don't know why it was necessary. Maybe it was 249 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 2: just to simply be provocative, but it actually made me 250 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 2: feel physically ill. 251 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: And I don't know. 252 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 2: I mean, I get that that's part of what art is. 253 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 2: It makes you feel things. They're not always good, sometimes 254 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 2: they're bad, sometimes they're ugly. But I did not enjoy 255 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 2: that for one moment. In fact, I looked away. 256 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 3: Nobody would, obviously, but it was yes, meant to get 257 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 3: a reaction. I can't remember which producer, but they've been 258 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 3: on the record is saying that that storyline had had 259 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 3: a point, that you get the point of it at 260 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,599 Speaker 3: the end of the season. I don't necessarily feel that 261 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 3: and understand how that dynamic between the brothers. What role 262 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 3: it played in me understanding this final episode or the 263 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 3: final couple episodes, I don't know. 264 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: The only thing that I could gather from that was 265 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 2: hearing from the young son. 266 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: I believe his name is Lachlin right. 267 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 2: He basically was explaining to his brother that he's a 268 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 2: people pleaser and that he wanted to make him happy, 269 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 2: and he thought that maybe his brother felt left out. 270 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 2: There was a threesome going on. If you haven't seen. 271 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 2: If you haven't seen, you probably aren't listening to this, 272 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 2: so I'm sure people are following along without having to 273 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 2: get two into the weeds about what exactly happened. But 274 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 2: the fact that you could be that much of a 275 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 2: people pleaser that you would do something so a boring 276 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 2: if you thought in the moment it would make someone 277 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 2: else feel good. 278 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't think about it that way at all. 279 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 3: I mean, I heard that was an uncomfortable probably the 280 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 3: most uncomfortable conversation of the entire season. But no, I 281 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 3: don't get how it helped me along in the story. 282 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 3: I'm sure I'll no, I'm not gonna look that up. 283 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 3: Actually no, but I'm sure if somebody's trying to figure 284 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 3: that out. But it just it was apparently incest stories 285 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 3: oftentimes has been in plenty of movies and shows where 286 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 3: incest storylines for some reason are incorporated and writers have 287 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 3: their reason for it. I didn't get it on this one. 288 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 2: I also thought it was interesting that, even as an 289 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 2: actor to get a script, I mentioned how awesome it 290 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 2: must be to get scripts like this because they're so 291 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 2: well written and the characters are so complex and probably 292 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 2: pretty fun to play. But if you're Patrick Schwarzenegger, I 293 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 2: wonder if he gave pause to portraying that I know 294 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: that his mother, Marius River, actually, when being interviewed, had 295 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 2: to make a point or felt like she needed to 296 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: make a point to say to everyone, you know, obviously 297 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 2: my son isn't anything like his character, which also just 298 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 2: felt weird and strange that that would even have to 299 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: be mentioned, because of course he is an actor. But 300 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 2: maybe perhaps the script is so uncomfortable and the theme 301 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 2: is so cringe worthy that she felt like she needed 302 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 2: to just make that extra clear. 303 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 3: Okay, we don't have to talk about it anymore. 304 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 2: Yes, we can move on from there. But to me, 305 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 2: that was a tough and then for them to take 306 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 2: on it's not just suicide, but as you pointed out, 307 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 2: murder suicide, that was also a choice that at times 308 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 2: became almost too much for me to watch. I believe 309 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 2: it was maybe the second or third to last episode 310 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 2: where we saw Tim the character the father, actually open 311 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: up and it looked as though he did kill his 312 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 2: family and then kill himself, only for all of us 313 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 2: who are watching to realize it was just. 314 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: In his head. 315 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 2: Duke got even involved as well. We talked about this 316 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 2: on the Morning Run. They didn't like it so much. 317 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 2: Either that he did all of that while wearing a 318 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 2: very loud and proud Duke T shirt while this was 319 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 2: all going on, and it was also mentioned, I didn't realize. 320 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: That if you zoomed in now, I'm trying to is it. 321 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: I can't remember the name. 322 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 2: The blender was actually made by a company, and everyone 323 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 2: said that that pr company is now going to go 324 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 2: on a total campaign trying to take that image out 325 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 2: of anyone's heads that somehow their blenders had a poisonous 326 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 2: concoction inside of it that was going to be used 327 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: to kill and murder a family. So yes, it's funny 328 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 2: how product placement normally is something you'd want in a series, 329 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 2: not so much necessarily in some. 330 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: Of these scenes. 331 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 3: What's the name of the blender company? 332 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 2: I was going to look at up right now, but yeah, yeah. 333 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: It's a very very famous I didn't. 334 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 3: See it and didn't know about it, so I, for 335 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 3: the most part, they shouldn't put a statement out because 336 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 3: for folks who watched it, I didn't see the blender. 337 00:16:58,320 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 3: So the only reason I'm aware of it now is 338 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 3: because you said, so just leave it alone, folks. If 339 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 3: I could recommend anything to the company, just let it ride. 340 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: Let it ride. So I won't even mention it which 341 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: one it was. 342 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, well just let it ride. But for Duke, this 343 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 3: was the exact point they made in putting out a 344 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 3: statement after that. What was it two episodes ago, maybe 345 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 3: when the whole suicide scene was at the front and 346 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 3: the dad wearing the Duke shirt holds a gun to 347 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 3: his head, Well, that became a meme online and that 348 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 3: was going to forever be used every time you see 349 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 3: that image, he's holding a gun to his head and 350 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 3: it says Duke on it. And sure enough, what happened 351 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 3: when Duke lost in the final four over the weekend 352 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 3: in stunning fashion, those memes were everywhere of showing essentially 353 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 3: what looks like a Duke fan wanting to kill himself, 354 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 3: and that is what Duke was afraid of, and that's 355 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 3: just going to be out there forever. 356 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 2: Now you mentioned that a couple of weeks ago, You're like, man, 357 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 2: if anything goes wrong with Duke, this is what they're 358 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 2: trying to avoid, and this is what they don't want 359 00:17:58,960 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 2: to happen. 360 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: What did you think. 361 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 2: Of the scene and the decision to take the five 362 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 2: million dollars Belinda, who has been there from season one 363 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 2: and season two and was technically well at least promised 364 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 2: Bunny by Jennifer Coolidge's character Tanya before she was killed. 365 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 2: So her now husband or ex husband ends up buying silence, 366 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 2: builing her silence about where he is and what his 367 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 2: role may have been from Belinda and her son was 368 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 2: very very excited about her taking the money. 369 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: What do you think about that choice? 370 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 3: That the choice? There were two moral moments in this 371 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 3: final episode. That was one of them that to be discussed. 372 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 3: What would you do? This is someone that we've all 373 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 3: come to know as a kind, a warm and a 374 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 3: decent woman who stood by for a long time, stood 375 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 3: by this notion that she would not be bought, that 376 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 3: she could not be bought, that she had principles she 377 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 3: would stand up for. That is a question what would 378 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 3: any of us do at that point? And I think 379 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 3: that was a great question to put before all the viewers. 380 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 3: You'd have that in your own mind, what would you do? 381 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 3: And you look at a woman. You might look at 382 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 3: her and say that's an awful decision, how could you? 383 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 3: But then you have a history with her that you 384 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 3: know she's a good woman. So I think that was 385 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 3: a brilliant. I think that was a marvelous part of 386 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 3: the and one of my favorite parts of this final episode. 387 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, just for the record, I was glad she 388 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 2: took the money. I wanted her to take the money. 389 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 2: I thought that, and I actually liked how Gary told 390 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 2: her that he felt like Tanya would have wanted her 391 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 2: to have the money. It almost made it gave her 392 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 2: permission that it was okay that she killed. 393 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 3: But did he kill her? 394 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,479 Speaker 1: He didn't kill her. She fell off the boat. 395 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 3: Okay, But I thought that was an understanding that the guy, 396 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 3: the husband of Jennifer Coolidge that gave the money in 397 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 3: this last episode, I thought he was wanted for questioning 398 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 3: you said he didn't kill her. 399 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: She fell off the boat after being chased by a 400 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 2: bunch of game out on the boat, on the yacht 401 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,479 Speaker 2: that she was on, who were all trying to kill her. 402 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: So she was going to die. 403 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 2: She ended up in a hilarious fashion as she was 404 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 2: running from people who were trying to kill her. 405 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: She fell off the yacht and died. 406 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 3: Okay, but is he a good guy or bad guy? 407 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 2: The husband remains to be seen because it was absolutely 408 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 2: I mean, I took from it that he was with 409 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 2: her for her money. 410 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 3: No wait, wait, wait wait, but the whole the black 411 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 3: Blenda was the whole point of this was the whole season. 412 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 3: She was saying or accusing this guy. And yes, it 413 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 3: was supposed to be quiet money, so be quiet for what. 414 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: He didn't want to be questioned by police. He doesn't 415 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 2: want anyone to know where he was. He doesn't want 416 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 2: anyone to know. He doesn't want to have to talk 417 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,959 Speaker 2: about what happened to Tanya to Jennifer Cooligche's care. 418 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 3: But she definitely believed that he killed him. 419 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: She absolutely believed it, absolutely. 420 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 2: And you know he was behind perhaps the plot. I 421 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 2: think that's what's implied. There was a bunch of game 422 00:20:59,320 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 2: out on this boat. 423 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 3: We killed her then, yeah, okay. 424 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean her actual death was accidental. 425 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 3: But if he was the head of the snake, then 426 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 3: he is going to get more time in jail than 427 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 3: the ones who actually killed him. 428 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 2: He doesn't want to answer any questions. And Belinda's character 429 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:14,239 Speaker 2: knew that. 430 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 3: But I was sure their boat was going to blow 431 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 3: up at the end. The last two people you see 432 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 3: on the episode are Belinda and her son on a 433 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 3: boat going off essentially into the sunset. Beautiful, beautiful cinematography 434 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 3: at the end, by the way, whoever put that together? 435 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 3: But I I was waiting on that boat to blow. 436 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 3: I just said, Wow, is she really going this is 437 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 3: going to be her happy ending, She's going to go on. 438 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 3: I just knew something was going to happen to them. 439 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: Well, it is a dark comedy, so that was very possible. 440 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 2: But I will say that I think you're looking for 441 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 2: who gets to write off into the sunset, And I 442 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 2: was very happy that Belinda and her son got to 443 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 2: do just that. And it wasn't about just finding the 444 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 2: romantic connection. It was also about having her own Now 445 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 2: she's got her own purpose. I love when he was like, hey, 446 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 2: what about your guy? I thought you guys were going 447 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 2: to start a spa together. I thought you guys were 448 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 2: gonna have She's like, can I just enjoy this moment 449 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 2: on my own? 450 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: I appreciated that. I thought that was really cool. 451 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 3: Way who was saying that there? 452 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 2: Her son was asking her if she wanted to bring 453 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 2: the new boy. The new guy with her, the man 454 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 2: she met in who was another they were going to 455 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 2: start a business together. He was working there at the spa, 456 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 2: at the white load of spa and she kind of 457 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I think I'm good, Like, let me 458 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 2: just have this moment for myself, doesn't have to be 459 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 2: about a guy or about a relationship. 460 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 3: Her line was, can I just be rich for five minutes? 461 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 3: There's a line she hit him with. And she was 462 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 3: so quiet, and her personality throughout the show she was 463 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 3: very maybe even timid, but she was certainly kind of 464 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 3: on the quieter end. And to see her exert some 465 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 3: kind of power and confidence at times, I like that 466 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 3: because she hasn't been necessarily my favorite character throughout. She 467 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 3: could find but she just there wasn't a whole lot 468 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 3: there necessarily, like some of the other characters, for her 469 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 3: to come out of that in these last episodes I liked. 470 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 2: I love that she came out in power that actually 471 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 2: made me feel very happy. I liked how they tied 472 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 2: that one up. 473 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: What did you think about? 474 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 2: I was trying to find the name of his character, 475 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 2: the guard who was in love with the girl who 476 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 2: ended up shooting our guy in the back unfortunately because 477 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 2: he was being told to kill him kill him, ends 478 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 2: up becoming the head woman's driver in the end and 479 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 2: gets the girl. 480 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 3: Didn't care about that guy from episode one to episode eight. 481 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 3: Didn't feel anything for him, didn't care, wasn't rooting for him, 482 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 3: wasn't rooting against him. Didn't care if he lived a dad, 483 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 3: don't care, Still don't care if he got the job, 484 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,239 Speaker 3: don't care if he wrecked that SUV when they will leave. 485 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 3: I just don't care about that guy. 486 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny. I felt the same way. 487 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 2: I think because like you, kind of felt sorry for him, 488 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 2: but he was spineless. He never knew what to do. 489 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 2: He was always wishy, washy. He was always trying to 490 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 2: either please the girl or say he was a Buddhist. 491 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: But I never felt. 492 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 2: In any way like, yes, I actually wouldn't have cared 493 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 2: if he had died. 494 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 3: I'm not applauding him getting the gar I'm not happy 495 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 3: for him at the end. He shot a guy in 496 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 3: the back. I'm not gonna respect that if that wasn't 497 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 3: even a confrontation, right, he didn't redeem himself. He shot 498 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 3: a guy in the back because a woman was yelling 499 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 3: at him to do so. 500 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: He does what he's told. Doesn't it seem like that? 501 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 2: So maybe that's maybe we were supposed to not feel 502 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 2: anything for him, except for maybe even a little bit 503 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 2: of disgust. 504 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,959 Speaker 3: And masterful and the way they write these folks in 505 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 3: He still got what he wanted ultimately, but he didn't 506 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 3: have to be tough. He shot somebody in the back, 507 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 3: right and got the gig. Okay, that's fine, but yeah, 508 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 3: that was a character. I didn't care about him dating 509 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 3: the girl. Didn't care. She was sweet as pie, didn't 510 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 3: care at. 511 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 2: All, but already manipulating him because she basically let him know, 512 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 2: unless you've got money in, unless you have the job 513 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 2: I want, or you're ambitious in some sort of way, 514 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 2: or i'm confident, I don't want to be with you. 515 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 2: In fact, my mom is having trouble with her back, 516 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 2: and so I don't think I can go on a 517 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 2: date with you tonight. 518 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: Yes, so she was sweet but manipulative. 519 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 3: I had a nickel every time I heard that excuse. 520 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 2: But you know what you mentioned, he shot someone in 521 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 2: the back. He didn't just shoot anyone in the back. 522 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 2: He shot Rick in the back. And we all loved Rick. 523 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 2: He was a guy who just couldn't get rid of 524 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 2: his demons. And when you know, there was such a 525 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 2: sweet moment, Oh this sounds silly, and you were like, okay, 526 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 2: here she goes again. But I actually almost started crying 527 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 2: at that scene at breakfast. 528 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, when. 529 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 2: She ran, when Chelsea ran to go see Rick, when 530 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 2: she saw that he was okay, that everything was okay, 531 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 2: and that you know, he had done what he needed 532 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 2: to do when he was at peace. And so they 533 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 2: were sitting there at breakfast, and she talked about spending 534 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 2: their life together, and she was always kind of searching 535 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 2: or fishing for him to agree with her or to say, yes, 536 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 2: let's be together. He told yeah, like that's the plan. 537 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 2: And the smile he just said that's the plan, and 538 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 2: this smile that went over her face. You could feel 539 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 2: it like she didn't have to say anything, He didn't 540 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 2: have to say anything else. It was just, Oh, that 541 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 2: was such a powerful moment. 542 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 3: If that was the moment, I was sure she was 543 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,239 Speaker 3: going to die, that was the moment because we've been 544 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 3: waiting on her to get that one thing from him 545 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 3: the entire season, the entire she never got it until 546 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 3: that moment that things were looking too up. That's when 547 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 3: I oh, when she said that, when when he said 548 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 3: that to her. 549 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 2: We're gonna make it, she said something. I won't get 550 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 2: the exact quote, but like, we're going to be together forever. 551 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 2: I really believe we're going to be together forever. And 552 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 2: he said that's the plan. 553 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:47,719 Speaker 3: Oh and really that Walter, Walter Walton excuse me, Walton 554 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 3: Goggins is his name. He wants to show you know 555 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 3: who he is. But I encourage you all to go 556 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 3: watch anything he's in. He's just a great and he 557 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 3: has a great relationship with HBO that goes back to 558 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 3: several series. But Righteous Jimstone if you haven't seen that one, 559 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 3: and the other is Vice Principles. Those two shows, they're 560 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 3: comedies on HBO previous series he was on. Please please 561 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 3: go watch that and go watch him. He is just incredible. 562 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 2: So you have introduced me to him. You know, he's 563 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 2: got one of those faces that I always like. Yes, 564 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 2: I knew, but I didn't know his name, and I 565 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 2: really couldn't have told you anything specifically that he was in. So, yes, 566 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 2: we've been watching the VP show and I have been 567 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 2: laughing out loud. But it's pretty cool. Walter Goggins on Instagram. 568 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 1: I believe you put it out. 569 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 2: He didn't twelve hours ago, so you certainly let everybody 570 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 2: watch it. There were no spoiler alerts, but he put 571 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 2: a picture of him with Chelsea with Amy Lu's character 572 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 2: on the beach that moment when she saw him, and 573 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 2: he wrote Rick, Rick plus Chelsea with the heaviest of hearts. 574 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 2: To me, ours was a love story. It was only 575 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 2: ever a love story hindered by unresolved childhood trauma. We 576 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 2: all have them, but we can all move past them. 577 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. He actually took his character. 578 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 2: And the theme of at least what he played with 579 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 2: Amy Lou would and made it into a whole beautiful 580 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 2: Instagram post that I would encourage everybody to read because 581 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 2: it's actually really beautiful, talking about how this spoke to 582 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 2: him that even in the depths of our despair, there 583 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 2: is always beauty all around us. We can sit with 584 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 2: our pain and not react, but not be defined by it. 585 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: It's there. 586 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 2: The love the world is constantly giving in any given moment, 587 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 2: is always there, always waiting for us to see it. 588 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: I thought that was really cool. 589 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 2: That summed up what it seemed like to me watching 590 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 2: the two of them, And I just love that he 591 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 2: put that out there on Instagram. 592 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, if you all don't know, he's a cool, 593 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 3: cool talent. Yeah, And he was more intense in this 594 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 3: one than I've seen him before, usually in a comedic role, 595 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 3: but he was I loved. He might have been my 596 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 3: favorite character in the show. Yeah, who was your favorite character? 597 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 2: So my favorite character, hands down was Chelsea played by 598 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 2: Ammy Lou Amy Lou. 599 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: I thought she was. 600 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 3: Awesome, probably not a surprise, and I like the guy 601 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 3: that she was in love with on the show, Walter Gogins, 602 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 3: this character Rick and again they were a very dynamic couple. 603 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 3: The what's her name Lori Kuhn Kerry Kuon Kerry Kohon, 604 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 3: who plays Lori. I wasn't as into the you maybe 605 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 3: because you have groups of friends like that, but three women, 606 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 3: the way they are with each other and every time 607 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 3: you're like, oh, that's exactly what we do, and yep, 608 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 3: to go over here and talk about the other one. 609 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 3: Then they swap out and that whole thing. I wasn't 610 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 3: as big a fan of that because it wasn't my lane. 611 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 2: I was laughing out loud because I don't know what 612 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 2: this is. Ladies who are listening, tell me if this 613 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 2: is true in your life. I can go back from 614 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,959 Speaker 2: when I was a kid with my girl cousins. 615 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: There always tends. 616 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 2: To be a threesome for whatever reason, there is a 617 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 2: triangle of friends. Look at Sabine's friend group right now, 618 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 2: you're love she has a threesome. I can go back 619 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 2: to all these different periods of my life and there 620 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 2: always seems to be a threesome of girls who kind 621 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 2: of band together, and with that always comes some issues. 622 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 2: So I just thought it was really interesting that the 623 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 2: writer that they actually explored that, because that's been a 624 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 2: theme throughout my life and you know. 625 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: Good, bad, ugly, sad. 626 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 2: But I thought it was really sweet how they brought 627 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 2: it all together and how they realized there was love there. Yes, 628 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 2: there's competition there, yes, sometimes to team up against one 629 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 2: and then those teams switch around over the years. I 630 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 2: just thought it was brilliantly written and it had heart, 631 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 2: but it also had some sharp edges that all of 632 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 2: us can look inward at when you see writing like 633 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 2: that that really reflects life. I just spoke to me, Yes, 634 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 2: I know you weren't as into it that part of 635 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 2: the show, but I really really really liked it. 636 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 3: But I love those three actresses. I mean love, love 637 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 3: Michelle Monahan. That goes back for the years, and oh 638 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 3: my god, love Michelle monihanue I just love her. And 639 00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 3: GiB Leslie. 640 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: Yea Leslie, GiB she'sat. 641 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,719 Speaker 3: She crushes everything she's ever ever in. Just love her. 642 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 3: But it was Kuhn who had the speech. I said, 643 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 3: there were two moments in the show, and Carrie Kuhn 644 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 3: had the other one that I thought was the biggest moment, 645 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 3: her speech at dinner. Yeah, she delivered it brilliantly with 646 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 3: her acting, but the message that was within that I 647 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 3: thought it was great. And ultimately she said, I'm just 648 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 3: happy to be at the table with you all, and 649 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 3: it wasn't a matter of pity or you all are 650 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 3: better than me. She put this story. She really did 651 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 3: weave together their entire lives and their story and their 652 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 3: friendship in a really cool way. Whoever wrote I would 653 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 3: like to know the person who wrote that speech, Like 654 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 3: the single individual who wrote that particular line. I would 655 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 3: like to look up of that particular speech. It was great. 656 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 2: It moved me like I felt emotional on this final episode, 657 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 2: and I do think they did such a good job 658 00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 2: of bringing that all together, like the ups and down 659 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 2: of this threesome on this vacation. I just that, Yes, 660 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 2: that final scene at dinner was so powerful. I loved it. 661 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 2: I'm hoping that Belinda and her son who sailed off 662 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 2: into the sunset, take us to the next White Lotus. 663 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 2: Maybe she creates a White Lotus, or maybe she creates 664 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 2: something that's all her own. But I would continue to 665 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 2: watch her, and I will keep being an avid fan 666 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 2: of the White Lotus for as many seasons as they'll 667 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 2: put out. I'm already feeling a little sad because it 668 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,239 Speaker 2: was something that was so exciting to look forward to 669 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 2: for you, Babe, March badness is winding down and the 670 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 2: White Lotus is. 671 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: Done for now. 672 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 2: But I actually wouldn't mind going back and watching season 673 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,239 Speaker 2: one in season two until I wait until what? 674 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: Until I wait? As I wait for season four? 675 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 3: Has it been announced? 676 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: No, I'm just hoping. 677 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 3: But it's coming. But yeah, again, another season well done. 678 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 3: But I did like a I'm just a writing fan. 679 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 3: I love good storytelling and good writing, and this was 680 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 3: just to see it at that scale, to see it 681 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 3: at that level is just really really impressive. So most 682 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 3: people listening have already checked it out, But if you haven't, 683 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 3: by all means. 684 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: We've just spoiled everything. 685 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 3: Maybe we made some people curious, like, oh, I didn't 686 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 3: know all this was going on. Let me check that out. 687 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 2: There are people who love to read the last page 688 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 2: of a book like you sometimes and know how it's 689 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 2: going to end, and then enjoy the process already knowing 690 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 2: what the outcome is. So that could be one another 691 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 2: way to watch this season. But thank you for listening 692 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 2: to this episode of Amy and DJ Helpe. 693 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: You check out Why. 694 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 2: Lotus and also please check out the Morning Run, available 695 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 2: Monday through Friday six thirty am Eastern Time. So subscribe 696 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 2: to us and we'll be in your inbox waiting for you. 697 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: Have a good day. 698 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 3: Intaction Produs the tat