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Speaker 1: Welcome in to the Thursday Morning Podcast, usually the Wednesday

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Speaker 1: Morning Podcast, but I had three hours of getting in

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Speaker 1: a dental chair yesterday. You did not want to hear

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Speaker 1: me before I get to Tom Curran who covers the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to talk to some mac Jones. You know,

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Speaker 1: there are certain times when the media goes overboard on

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Speaker 1: stuff like OBJ, the drama between the Browns and the

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Speaker 1: Destination Landing Spot the Rams. It's really he's at best

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Speaker 1: given it more coverage than it deserves. And that happens

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Speaker 1: a lot. Where the media covers something. It's a player

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Speaker 1: that's interesting, a player that's dramatic. You know, Obj is

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Speaker 1: just not changing games in the NFL. He's not changing lines,

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Speaker 1: then there's times that the media doesn't cover something and

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Speaker 1: I'm shocked by it. I could not believe, and I

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Speaker 1: said it, and I've said it fifteen times. When Kevin

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Speaker 1: Durant left a dynasty for the Brooklyn Nets, I thought

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Speaker 1: it was a staggeringly horrible decision, the best, arguably after Lamron,

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Speaker 1: the best player in the league, leaving a dynasty, the

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Speaker 1: with no great history, and choosing Kyrie Irving Flakey to

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Speaker 1: his core over Steph Curry, the most selfless superstar NBA player,

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Speaker 1: probably of my life. Now you're seeing as Curry goes

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Speaker 1: MVP for an opposing player. I have no idea why

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Speaker 1: Katie did this. There is no comp in the history

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Speaker 1: of sports where a player could have stayed with a dynasty.

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Speaker 1: The dynasty had all of its parts, was a significantly

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Speaker 1: brilliantly run organization, and leaves for an inferior point guard

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Speaker 1: that had baggage and an inferior organization and feerior momentum.

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Speaker 1: You're seeing it now play out. Stephen A. Smith finally

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Speaker 1: rule change, Kyrie's not available. They still really don't have

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Speaker 1: a great bench. I don't know why it wasn't covered.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the most undercovered sports story in the

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Speaker 1: last couple of years. It is unbelievable to me that

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Speaker 1: would have drafted Jordan Poole, right, that was the draft

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Speaker 1: that pick you wouldn't have had that was a number

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Speaker 1: D's decision was to go to Brooklyn. This week, there

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Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, that's what he should do

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Speaker 1: you imagine saying that five years ago? Tony Romo in

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Speaker 1: amazing in this country what we fear gay marriage. It

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Speaker 1: in June and July. I mean, I'm sitting there at

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Speaker 1: those friggin track this, I swear to you. I think

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Speaker 1: we talked then showed you the stories where I'm like,

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Speaker 1: it's you gotta start Mac Jones. It's ridiculous. He's beating

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Speaker 1: out cam every single day. It's not a coincidence anymore.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I think it's so interesting to watch

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Speaker 1: is when we talk about underrated and I did it too,

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Speaker 1: you look at a guy like Mac Jones and you go, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that was nice. To do it again. You can't do

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Speaker 1: that again. You can't fit into that's whole again with

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Speaker 1: that noodle alarm? Are you let's do it again? And

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Speaker 1: I did it again? Okay, Well you just get drilled

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Speaker 1: and got up from it. Can you do that again?

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Speaker 1: You did that again? So it's this constant feeling that

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Speaker 1: what you saw I wasn't real makes you say, I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's that good. Whereas whether it's lawrants or

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Speaker 1: fields or Lance or Zach Wilson, it's all but when

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Speaker 1: he fits into the suit, he's gonna be so good looking. Well,

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Speaker 1: you got this old guy over here in the men's

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Speaker 1: warehouse suits, he's already looking pretty good. Yeah. You know,

444
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Speaker 1: we talk a lot about break eighty, how long he'll play,

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Speaker 1: But you know, Bill has been a groundbreaker for a

446
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Speaker 1: lot of reasons. I mean, he literally has had two

447
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Speaker 1: dynasties never happened ever in the NFL. I watched this

448
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Speaker 1: Mac Jones growth and I think God Belichick could go

449
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Speaker 1: well into his seventies. He's still nimble, he still loves it,

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Speaker 1: he's still sharp as attack. And the other thing is

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Speaker 1: Here's the other thing is that as the league the

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Speaker 1: coaching gets younger. I mean, he's really in a spot where,

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Speaker 1: like situationally, he's just better than a lot of these guys.

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Speaker 1: Buy a lot, why retire. I'm looking at this game tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: on Thursday or today as this will probably drop tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick on a short week, us his first year

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Speaker 1: head coach Arthur Smith on a short week. I don't

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Speaker 1: care how smart Arthur Smith is, and he is all

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Speaker 1: the logistics of getting ready for a game on a

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Speaker 1: short week, all the things you have to cover those

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Speaker 1: for twenty years or however one Thursday night games have

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Speaker 1: been around, doesn't Nobody doesn't know yet about getting ready

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Speaker 1: for a Thursday night game. It's just such a great point.

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Speaker 1: Probably had guy's working on it Mayba three weeks ago. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's funny. You saw it with Cliff Kingsbury his first

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Speaker 1: year in the league. Tom Kingsbury would have a great

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Speaker 1: scripted first half and then they would just be asked.

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Speaker 1: In the second they were just completely lost. And then

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Speaker 1: in year two is Kyler grew, You're like, okay, he's

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Speaker 1: putting some games together. This year was the first time.

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Speaker 1: Third year, I'm like, oh, clip, this is a complete game.

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Speaker 1: He's got adjustments at half, he's got scripted plays. Sean McVay,

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Speaker 1: Sean mcnay's Sean McVay has never lost the game. He's

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Speaker 1: let a half, but he is still not a great adjuster.

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Speaker 1: He comes in with a game and doesn't adjust and

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Speaker 1: and you know, it's funny. I've talked to people about

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Speaker 1: broadcasting like this as Mayan history. He's gotten younger because

478
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Speaker 1: as it's more corporate and corporations want profits, they're getting

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00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: rid of seasoned reporters. Newspapers are too, and it gets

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Speaker 1: very young. So if a tom current, as you age

481
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Speaker 1: and you have this labyrinth of sources, it gets easier

482
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Speaker 1: to break stories. I just look at Belichick and I think,

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Speaker 1: look at this division, Robert Solomon, I mean, Brian Flores,

484
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Speaker 1: their kids, they're kids, and it takes so long to

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Speaker 1: implement things, and the league is more transitory. And you

486
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Speaker 1: know talking about this too, that it takes so long

487
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Speaker 1: to develop a team because there's no double sessions, and

488
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Speaker 1: OTAs are cut back and pat to practices are cut back.

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Speaker 1: So Bill knows how to skin that onion to get

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Speaker 1: to the team that he wants to have. Whereas I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're so far behind, all of these teams are relative

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Speaker 1: to where they would have been even in twenty fourteen

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Speaker 1: or fifteen, because of the CBA, because of COVID, because

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Speaker 1: of the limitations, because of the mindset of young players

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Speaker 1: coming in, which is fine, They're not gonna you know,

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Speaker 1: you say jump, they say how Hi. It's not that

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Speaker 1: way anymore. So Bill has evolved, but he can mel

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Speaker 1: those two approaches where he could still be the king

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Speaker 1: and his fights him when he goes college, as you

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Speaker 1: would saying, when he goes there will never be anyone

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Speaker 1: else like it that goes back with that institutional knowledge

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Speaker 1: to the seventies. Look at Homebred. He's a freaking contemporary Bill.

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Speaker 1: He's long gone. He's been gone for like fifteen years. Homebred. Seriously,

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Speaker 1: I think he's Bill's age maybe sixty five, sixty four,

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Speaker 1: got to be older. I'm googling that. What we talk

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Speaker 1: Google right now? Do it live while podcasts are tape?

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Speaker 1: But do it live to tape. How old is my guess?

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Speaker 1: Sixty six? I'm guess poly You got him in the

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Speaker 1: movie Cocoon seventy three. Wow, Wow, he looks good for

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Speaker 1: so Yeah. So Bill is what fifty two, nineteen fifty

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Speaker 1: two or something. Yeah, well Bill's three years younger. They're

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Speaker 1: a contemporaries. Look how wrong? Like who is the AFC

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00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: team um that we think of as really good that

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00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: New England Mac Jones Belichick actually really really match up again. See,

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Speaker 1: I think Tennessee is a problem for New England. I

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Speaker 1: think they're a because they're a ball control team. If

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Speaker 1: they got Derreck Henry back, so you've got a massive

518
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Speaker 1: pressure without blitzing on mac Jones. They get pressure with four.

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Speaker 1: I think Tennessee is the last team they want to play.

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Speaker 1: I think, okay, that's interesting. I think they match up

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Speaker 1: really well with Baltimore bad secondary and Lamar is a

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Speaker 1: slow starter. You take a lead on them, you control,

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Speaker 1: you can you can death by a thousand cuts in

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Speaker 1: a bad secondary um like for anybody else. I mean

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Speaker 1: to me, the bad matchups Tennessee. Tennessee is exactly right

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Speaker 1: because of the toughness and physicality and the way they're built.

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Speaker 1: And it's not a coincidence that the number of guys

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Speaker 1: who have shared experience with Belichick, whether it be Tom Coughlin,

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Speaker 1: Lebrian Floor as freaking that, Patricia, you name it, the

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Speaker 1: only guy who's got shared background with Bill that Bill

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Speaker 1: had mastery over with Bill O'Briant. It mean Ginnie used

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Speaker 1: to have enough success against Belichick with plus their team. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, okay, so there is that element of they

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Speaker 1: understand how to attack things with Bill. I mean, Patricia

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Speaker 1: one against Belichick with that Lions team in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and eighteen. Yeah it didn't they blow them out and

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Speaker 1: Tennessee blew them out the same year. Yeah, it's so yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's Tennessee. I mean even when they had Brian Hoyer

539
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Speaker 1: playing quarterback last year against Kansas City and Mahome started,

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00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: they had a plan that kept that game kind of close.

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Speaker 1: Just Hoyer had a bad game. They beat Baltimore last

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Speaker 1: year when they were a bad team. The level of

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Speaker 1: coaching that they got, you know, to go seven and

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Speaker 1: nine with the roster they had yet last year with

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Speaker 1: absolutely positively zero tight ends and Jacoby Myers as their

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Speaker 1: best and only throwing fret or receiving fret It's absurd

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00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: the coaching there was a three win team. Do you

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Speaker 1: think if Brady and Belichick sat down today, how would

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Speaker 1: it go. That's funny. I was talking to somebody about

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Speaker 1: that earlier today, Colin. I think that they both are

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Speaker 1: exactly where they want to be in that meeting that

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Speaker 1: they had for about twenty minutes after their game was

553
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: probably really cathartic for both of them. You know, Belichick

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Speaker 1: didn't do it on the field where but he could

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Speaker 1: see I mean, winning into the Tampa Bay locker room

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Speaker 1: after the game, knowing that after a night game, your

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Speaker 1: entire team wants to get the hell out of there,

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Speaker 1: get on the bluses, get him a plane and fly

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Speaker 1: back wherever it is. It's the middle of the night.

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Speaker 1: But they took twenty minutes and sat there and talked,

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Speaker 1: and Belichick likes to tie things off, and the Patriots

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00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: at that point still hadn't gotten to a place where

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Speaker 1: they were building momentum. They might have been one in

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Speaker 1: two or one in three at that point. Either way,

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Speaker 1: that was important to build because he kind of needed

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Speaker 1: Tom inside the tent p and out as opposed to

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Speaker 1: outside the tent PNN. So they had the embrace. Brady

568
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: loves to have closure. And you even see this with

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Speaker 1: the man in the arena and the Drew Bledsoe revisionist

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00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: history that's going on with that was a contentious time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's let it roll over. He handled it as classily

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Speaker 1: as anybody classibly could have. But he didn't say, wow,

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Speaker 1: I guess the kid's good. He could take get out.

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Speaker 1: So I think that they are both way. They want

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Speaker 1: to be quality, that's the question. They're both way. They

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Speaker 1: want to be Goes onto his next guy, and Tom's

577
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Speaker 1: where it wants to be. Tommy, That's all I need.

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Speaker 1: Twenty five minutes. You're so good, You're so great. All

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Speaker 1: I want is twenty Yeah, twenty five minutes of Tom Curran.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy, I got all my insight. You're the best man,

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Speaker 1: A right buddy. Well, maybe someday we'll sit down, we'll

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Speaker 1: have ourselves a coffee together. Whatever you're drinking, screw driver,

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Speaker 1: you know what. On the podcast, I always pour one,

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Speaker 1: just loose. That's right. I'll see great, seeing you all right. Hey, folks,

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