Speaker 1: Really now, really.
Speaker 2: Really now really Hello, and welcome to Really No Really
Speaker 2: Jase Now, Elexander and Peter Tilden remind you that if
Speaker 2: you listen to and enjoy our show, it is proper
Speaker 2: etiquette to subscribe. Now, let's talk a little bit about etiquette,
Speaker 2: because in our post COVID world, societal rules have changed.
Speaker 3: And a host of brand new rules have emerged.
Speaker 2: But the vast majority of us are unaware of these
Speaker 2: rules and unsure about how to consider and implement them.
Speaker 2: But not the good folks at New York Magazine, who
Speaker 2: have codified and clarified the guidelines on how we should
Speaker 2: all be living into one hundred and ninety four modern
Speaker 2: etiquette rules for.
Speaker 3: Life after COVID Really No Really, Today, we.
Speaker 2: Chat with New York Magazine editor Corey Seeka, who previously
Speaker 2: made waves as co editor at Gawker and was the
Speaker 2: former editor.
Speaker 3: At the styles desk of The New York Times.
Speaker 2: You'll learn whether it's okay to email, text, or dam
Speaker 2: at any hour, whether it's now acceptable to discipline your
Speaker 2: friend's children, and if there's ever a time when it's
Speaker 2: acceptable to be a Karen assuming your name is not
Speaker 2: actually Karen, in which case it's usually fine.
Speaker 3: Here's Jason and Peter.
Speaker 4: So we're talking today.
Speaker 5: We're going to talk about rules, rules in the new world,
Speaker 5: because honestly, it feels like like society is changing rapidly. Yes,
Speaker 5: and the sort of etiquette, the dues and don'ts that
Speaker 5: I grew up with when Anne Landers was the go
Speaker 5: to and the guru and you they're not necessarily holding
Speaker 5: try some of them do.
Speaker 4: Some of them are time test.
Speaker 6: There's also a new technology that's knew everything so so.
Speaker 6: And by the way, I know, one of the new
Speaker 6: rules that we're going to be talking about in a
Speaker 6: minute is you can use COVID as an excuse for anything.
Speaker 6: Because I think one of the writers, either the person
Speaker 6: we're talking to or somebody who did the research, said,
Speaker 6: you know what, we got to turn into a positive.
Speaker 6: We got to use it somehow us for a positive.
Speaker 6: And I admit there have been quite a few times
Speaker 6: where I said I think I may have COVID, and
Speaker 6: I just I don't want You've used it? Yes, come on, Jay,
Speaker 6: look at me in the eye.
Speaker 5: But no, what I'll tell you how I've used it
Speaker 5: because it's been a net positive for me when I
Speaker 5: particularly when I fly.
Speaker 4: I continue to use the face mask, which.
Speaker 5: Is brilliant because it helps cut down on the recognizability.
Speaker 5: And it's just it's a little less can I can?
Speaker 4: How much does that work? The recognizability is that about
Speaker 4: fifty to fifty? If I talk, forget it, I guess
Speaker 4: my voice has become But most of the time people
Speaker 4: don't see it.
Speaker 5: But if I have, if I have any kind of
Speaker 5: facial hair and a hat and my sunglasses and the mask,
Speaker 5: it's pretty good.
Speaker 4: Bye, way pretty good. So let's do the new rules.
Speaker 4: You want to get, So this is you got a
Speaker 4: guy of the new rules.
Speaker 6: Corey Seeka is a writer, a blogger, an editor a
Speaker 6: New York magazine, was the editor of the New York
Speaker 6: Times Star Section. Also, he wrote a book called Very
Speaker 6: Recent History, an extremely fact account of for a year
Speaker 6: in a very large city, which seems to be a
Speaker 6: very interesting book. And he was involved in all of
Speaker 6: these new rules, the new rules for the way we should.
Speaker 4: Live and now. And it's lovely to meet you, lovely
Speaker 4: welcome to thanks for having me.
Speaker 6: Absolutely so the new the new rules. Let's get into
Speaker 6: a bunch of you. You bring up the ones that
Speaker 6: you like the best and then we can talk about pushback.
Speaker 6: We can talk about all kinds of stuff once we
Speaker 6: hear the ones that resonate with you the most.
Speaker 7: Sure, I mean, and this all happened here because I
Speaker 7: don't know what your experiences were like.
Speaker 1: But you know, people got a little fuzzy, like a
Speaker 1: lot of us.
Speaker 7: I mean, I know you two gentlemen don't always work
Speaker 7: in an office, but like a lot of stuff point
Speaker 7: of offices and like you know, Bill Bluster, sort of
Speaker 7: the basic ways of like how we all like intertwine
Speaker 7: and get along.
Speaker 5: Sure, so what are the some and that is the
Speaker 5: and that generated the new rules? But before you jump
Speaker 5: into what some of these new rules are? How how
Speaker 5: how do I ask this? How do you have the
Speaker 5: stones to be the operator of these rules?
Speaker 4: Who decided you no? Serious?
Speaker 5: How did you come to go? I think I could
Speaker 5: I could be a good arbiter for lack of a
Speaker 5: better word of what is right?
Speaker 4: What is wrong? Or the or the even the progenitor
Speaker 4: of such rules.
Speaker 1: That's a that's a very fair question with many excellent
Speaker 1: words in it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so we we did. We had a team at
Speaker 7: New York, like we did this as a group together.
Speaker 7: It was sort of a group homework project, and we
Speaker 7: also like pulled the entire staff.
Speaker 1: We pulled our friends.
Speaker 7: Like we spent a lot of time making lists and
Speaker 7: then making fun of each other.
Speaker 1: And then and then we wouldn't kick the tires.
Speaker 7: So people would tell us ideas for a rule, and
Speaker 7: then we'd like go try it out, and they sometimes worked,
Speaker 7: and they sometimes did, so like we do, we get
Speaker 7: a little rotesting.
Speaker 1: You know, it was pretty. It was pretty. It was pretty.
Speaker 1: You know, at the end of the day, we were
Speaker 1: some of it was just for fun though.
Speaker 5: Sure sure, all right, So with that in mind, now
Speaker 5: that I know we're talking to a bona fide expert,
Speaker 5: not just some guy.
Speaker 6: Do you put these these are some pushback, we'll talk about.
Speaker 4: The push break.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah later, Okay, I'm sure something we have here.
Speaker 4: So we have favorites, But what are some of your favorites?
Speaker 5: What are the ones that have proven to be either
Speaker 5: really fun or really accurate?
Speaker 1: So I mean, and also.
Speaker 7: Some of this and I'll give you one here, but
Speaker 7: like and it'll play differently in LA, then it'll play
Speaker 7: in New York, then they'll play in Chicago. So like
Speaker 7: they always don't forget that etiquette is sort of local too.
Speaker 7: So one of my favorites is if you've met someone
Speaker 7: and they're like trying to place you, just be like, Hi,
Speaker 7: we've met I'm Corey, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 7: you just come out and sort of reintroduce yourself as somebody.
Speaker 7: People will get offended, but like we've forgotten that. Like,
Speaker 7: you know, we think everyone knows each other's names. You
Speaker 7: see someone's face on social media, you know, it's like
Speaker 7: you gotta you gotta give them a little, a little hand,
Speaker 7: just give him a little help.
Speaker 1: And so little ones like that make me really happy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's My wife has a thing called, uh, I
Speaker 5: think I'm saying it right, plazo pagnostia, where she has
Speaker 5: face blindness.
Speaker 4: She really does not chronic the way I've met some
Speaker 4: people do.
Speaker 5: But if she hasn't spent a fair amount of time
Speaker 5: with you, and she hasn't seen you in the day two, three, four,
Speaker 5: she will not recognize your face immediately. And so it's
Speaker 5: of great help if somebody says, Hi, I'm so and so.
Speaker 5: We met at so and so's party, and she's, oh, god,
Speaker 5: thank you so much.
Speaker 1: So Yeah that makes you feel good.
Speaker 6: Right, Wait a minute, So now, I can go up
Speaker 6: to people who I don't give a didn't learn the name,
Speaker 6: didn't bother and go, Hi, I have p plagnocy.
Speaker 4: Yeah say that? All right? What else you got, Corey?
Speaker 4: What are the rules that we should know? You know?
Speaker 1: A similar vein? Like we're going with basics here.
Speaker 7: Like the thing we finally realized was, whenever you tell
Speaker 7: someone they look like someone else, you're just being Can
Speaker 7: I say.
Speaker 1: You're just being an ass?
Speaker 7: Like it's just like even if it's like even if
Speaker 7: it's like I'm saying like, oh you look like Tom Cruise,
Speaker 7: you're gonna be like the.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Like, you can't win.
Speaker 1: There's no no one. No one feels good here. Just
Speaker 1: don't ever see one.
Speaker 5: All right, let me let me see if I can
Speaker 5: turn it into a year. So I understand not going
Speaker 5: up to somebody and going, hey, you know who.
Speaker 4: You look like?
Speaker 5: But is it okay if I go if somebody says, hey,
Speaker 5: look for my friend, Uh, they're gonna be at the diner.
Speaker 4: I may be they're a little late. Is it okay
Speaker 4: to go? Who does he look like?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a good one. That's fun.
Speaker 7: That's fine because then you get to play a little
Speaker 7: game with them, and that's sort of like cute and
Speaker 7: on your own.
Speaker 6: Keep that right, you're right here, Well, hold on, I
Speaker 6: got something on my throw Sean Hayes A little bit.
Speaker 4: Really, yeah, a little bit, A little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 1: See, it doesn't feel good.
Speaker 4: I just want to now.
Speaker 1: I just feel like I'll feel like I'm the failed actor.
Speaker 1: And he had the.
Speaker 5: Sorry, I just had to test it, right, okay, yes,
Speaker 5: all right, look at him.
Speaker 1: I just really.
Speaker 4: Changed his behavior. I'm so sorry. I just had to
Speaker 4: test It was a joke. It was.
Speaker 1: As long as it's fun, as long as we're laughing out.
Speaker 4: But she now, yeah there, yeah, I get that all
Speaker 4: the time. So what can I tell you? It feel
Speaker 4: makes you, makes you feel I get that.
Speaker 5: I get people all the time going, does anyone ever
Speaker 5: to you look like the actor on sein film?
Speaker 4: I get that? He said a lot. I go every day.
Speaker 4: That's all what I say.
Speaker 1: You gotta have a good stock line for these things.
Speaker 1: You gotta try them.
Speaker 4: Out, you know what.
Speaker 6: Just all of a sudden turned said, We're gonna rule
Speaker 6: our way out of this guary for years.
Speaker 7: Here's an important one, all right, So you know, every
Speaker 7: once in a while, you end up doing karaoke.
Speaker 1: You guys probably do this like once a week karaoke.
Speaker 4: Sure, yes, you're out there every three times. In fact,
Speaker 4: let's meat this up. I gotta be home for carry four.
Speaker 1: Like it's like lunchtime in l A.
Speaker 7: The You should a lot of songs contain words that you,
Speaker 7: particularly if you are a white person.
Speaker 4: Should not repeat.
Speaker 5: Sure, I don't tend to put those in my karaoke playlist,
Speaker 5: but listen.
Speaker 7: It happens like so you know the world is crazy,
Speaker 7: but like that's just there's a word you you you
Speaker 7: substitute a nice word like friends.
Speaker 4: Sure, yep, you know that's part of that.
Speaker 6: By the way, I remember, for your listeners, if you're white,
Speaker 6: you must call him fifty cents.
Speaker 5: Right, you don't call him yeah.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 5: It's just when you guys came up with that one
Speaker 5: about you know, substitute words if you're white. Did was
Speaker 5: that because someone in the group knew of someone who
Speaker 5: got that wrong and.
Speaker 1: In some cases got it got it right.
Speaker 7: Like I actually had seen a white friend like really
Speaker 7: reasonably and like nicely maneuver through a karaoke session that
Speaker 7: could have been incredibly fraught and could have.
Speaker 1: Got is like the wrongest night of all time.
Speaker 4: Wow, she did great.
Speaker 1: She totally was like and I thought, you know what,
Speaker 1: I am glad I saw this.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, this was the only one.
Speaker 5: There were many in the lists that jumped out at
Speaker 5: me as both yes indeed, and some that I have
Speaker 5: questions about, But this was the one that really I went,
Speaker 5: I have a question because I don't even know what
Speaker 5: it quite means. There's one that is simply says, always wink.
Speaker 5: What does that mean?
Speaker 1: So like don't you find like, listen, we're we're men
Speaker 1: of a certain age, Like don't you find.
Speaker 7: Like certain like uh like mannerisms just like charming.
Speaker 1: It's just like we've decided that this was like winking
Speaker 1: is a communal charming?
Speaker 7: Uh, like bringing people together kind of like think we
Speaker 7: should bring back. It's a little a little dated, you
Speaker 7: know what I mean? And like people should feel like
Speaker 7: they're on a joke.
Speaker 1: With you at all times.
Speaker 5: So are you using it for the I get it?
Speaker 5: I'm kidding, I got it, you got one. You got it?
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And it's a little campy, it's like a little big belt.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but why do I feel that they can get
Speaker 6: you to hr immediately at work.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not supposed to wink and smackle on
Speaker 1: the end.
Speaker 5: No, I understand that it's sort of like nice, you know,
Speaker 5: like good meeting.
Speaker 6: I'm going right to write to the principal's office at
Speaker 6: that point. The other one that got me that was,
Speaker 6: and I know there's some pushback, is if you're going
Speaker 6: to a dinner party, don't tell them you allergic to this.
Speaker 4: You're glued free. And yes, right, I have that one.
Speaker 4: I don't foist your algy.
Speaker 6: Which is, by the way, if I'm the host of
Speaker 6: the party I'm going to I'm going to ask, right.
Speaker 4: But I have people all the time.
Speaker 6: We had somebody was well known, well known, the wife
Speaker 6: is well known, and said to my wife, we said,
Speaker 6: we're going to have some Mexican food, and they went,
Speaker 6: I don't eat Mexican food. So we had Mexican food
Speaker 6: and Italian food, and then she proceeded the Italian food
Speaker 6: and the Mexican Mexican food.
Speaker 5: I have a friend who only within the last couple
Speaker 5: of years became vegan.
Speaker 4: We used to have them over for.
Speaker 5: Barbecues vegan, and now I go, I don't want to
Speaker 5: have to take care of you. I don't want to
Speaker 5: have to open a whole of the section just for you.
Speaker 5: It's like having a kosher home. This is the meat section,
Speaker 5: this is the dairy sect.
Speaker 4: Rabbi, that's over there. So Cory, what do you say,
Speaker 4: what's the definitive on that?
Speaker 7: I mean, listen, this is again, this is going to
Speaker 7: read a little differently in LA because in LA you're
Speaker 7: going to get the whole laundry list.
Speaker 1: Oh it's night shades.
Speaker 7: Yeah, right, exactly so, and that's fine, Like that's just
Speaker 7: the culture of Los Angeles. That's you know, you guys
Speaker 7: did this yourself, So it's you know what, honestly, you
Speaker 7: should take care of yourself, like you honestly, Like there's
Speaker 7: things I don't eat.
Speaker 1: There's things I don't drink. I don't eat, and I
Speaker 1: don't drink them, and I leave everyone in the hell.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, you know what, It's exactly right.
Speaker 6: And by the way, you can eat later on the
Speaker 6: way home, getting in an outburger or something not that
Speaker 6: you're not going there to eat, going there to sociale.
Speaker 7: Right, all right, Although you know the new thing now
Speaker 7: that everyone's on the drugs, on the ozempics and the whatnot,
Speaker 7: is that people are like sort of forgetting. I saw
Speaker 7: to a friend today. She said, I was at a
Speaker 7: dinner party last night on a Sunday night, and people,
Speaker 7: she put the chicken in it like ten pm because
Speaker 7: she just didn't care. She wasn't hungry anymore, and like starting,
Speaker 7: Oh my.
Speaker 5: God, I've never thought of that. Oh this could this
Speaker 5: could be the end of.
Speaker 4: Or dinner party. No food. Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 6: It's okay to email, text or direct message anyone at
Speaker 6: any hour.
Speaker 1: All right, people are mad over this. Still, here's my deal.
Speaker 7: And people who are mad at us are like, my
Speaker 7: mother is dying and I need to be able to
Speaker 7: get texts from anyone at any time, Like you know what,
Speaker 7: You're right, I'm sorry, But the rest of us are
Speaker 7: in charge of our phones.
Speaker 1: Like I get my friends text me at two in
Speaker 1: the morning.
Speaker 7: I have my phone notifications turned off because I'm in bed,
Speaker 7: like that is part of being an adult now.
Speaker 1: And if you can't handle it, like get rid of
Speaker 1: your phone.
Speaker 4: Oh right, I like it. I like it. Not only
Speaker 4: do you have rules, you have consequences. I like it.
Speaker 1: Thank you. It's a global world.
Speaker 4: Going into the er now. I thought you should know.
Speaker 4: You don't want me to a guilt text.
Speaker 7: You know, it's always either not important or it's just
Speaker 7: really horny.
Speaker 6: Exactly, all right? How about this one. You can discipline
Speaker 6: your friends your friends kids, but not the strangers discipline.
Speaker 6: Have you ever disciplined your friends kids trying.
Speaker 7: To discipline their parents on because mostly what I'm seeing
Speaker 7: with problem kids is just terrible parenting. I'm mad at
Speaker 7: my best friend right now. Can you tell I'm mad?
Speaker 7: I'm really worked up about this kid? Ah smack these parents.
Speaker 7: The kids find the kids a kiddies blameless.
Speaker 4: So do the do the parents? But I discipplinting.
Speaker 6: Could you discipline a friend's kids, a friend's kid, a
Speaker 6: friend's kid, Well, I.
Speaker 4: I think of discipline in a very different way.
Speaker 5: I'm not I'm not gonna you know, I'm not going
Speaker 5: to spank, I'm not gonna yell at them. I have
Speaker 5: absolutely said to a friend's kid who did something I went.
Speaker 5: I have absolutely said to a friend's kid who did
Speaker 5: something I went, you know that hurts my feelings.
Speaker 7: That's really good, that's a amazing. You know what I
Speaker 7: wish you would discipline my whole family.
Speaker 4: Oh you did that?
Speaker 6: This is how well, that's it's it's the you. This
Speaker 6: is this is how you make me feel.
Speaker 5: There's no it's not you know, I'm not gonna First
Speaker 5: of all, I don't believe in corporate punishment, but I
Speaker 5: mean I wouldn't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wouldn't threaten a child. I wouldn't, you know,
Speaker 4: but I think you can. I think you.
Speaker 5: I think by the way I would say that to
Speaker 5: to a strangers child, I would go, hey, listen, you
Speaker 5: get to say what what you feel. But I just
Speaker 5: want you to know what you've said. That's very, very nice.
Speaker 5: You've heard my feeling. I think we're up, Laurie.
Speaker 6: Whatever kind of award though, podcast got for a nice
Speaker 6: moment because it's our only one, and.
Speaker 5: You had one that I that I I don't. I
Speaker 5: think I'm I'm still guilty of it and I and
Speaker 5: I don't want to be.
Speaker 4: It's something I've really worked on.
Speaker 5: But this is a really good one where you wrote
Speaker 5: listening is not the time to silently rehearse what you
Speaker 5: want to say next, and I think so many of
Speaker 5: us are to really be a full listener is not
Speaker 5: a skill we are taught, and it's not one that's
Speaker 5: easily acquired. What was the reaction to that one ory.
Speaker 5: I mean, is it something that if you guys, you know,
Speaker 5: put it down. Is it something that came up a
Speaker 5: lot in your group, or is it something that someone
Speaker 5: was working.
Speaker 1: On or Yeah, it was a little personal this one.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 7: And this was sort of a sleeper like this one
Speaker 7: didn't get a lot of attention, but actually when we
Speaker 7: did talk about it with people, it was like it
Speaker 7: it always led to these kind of intense, like serious
Speaker 7: moments like this, which I really appreciate, Like this one.
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm not I hope he doesn't listen, but
Speaker 7: I'm going to say this one came up with my
Speaker 7: spouse and part of it was like we were sometimes
Speaker 7: having conversations and I was like I can see him
Speaker 7: looking up and thinking about what he wants to put
Speaker 7: in next.
Speaker 1: I'm still saying.
Speaker 7: My words, and I was like, you know, and I
Speaker 7: would be like, hey, I need you to come back
Speaker 7: and like, you know, make the eye contact. So this
Speaker 7: came out of this experience, but a lot of people,
Speaker 7: a lot of really good talks with people about this one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because because a lot of people can be you know,
Speaker 5: I wonder, I really do want to It just gets
Speaker 5: philosophical with me.
Speaker 4: I wonder.
Speaker 5: If that that tendency to be activated by something we
Speaker 5: hear and you start preparing your response before you hear
Speaker 5: fully is part of I wonder how much of being
Speaker 5: triggered by something is because you've you've heard the thing
Speaker 5: that is triggering, but you haven't heard the context, you
Speaker 5: haven't heard the intent, you haven't heard you know that
Speaker 5: it's I just and and I'll be the first to say,
Speaker 5: I'm not, I'm not incredibly great.
Speaker 7: It's hard on us and I talk a lot of
Speaker 7: this up to all of our attention spans mine included,
Speaker 7: which is not great. But also like we're I think
Speaker 7: for us in the media, we're in a funny business
Speaker 7: and we're a serious magazine and we're a fun magazine also,
Speaker 7: but like we're not we're trying to bridge a distance,
Speaker 7: at the distance between saying like I want you to
Speaker 7: read this thing and here's why it's important, and I
Speaker 7: want it to be a little bit salty and a
Speaker 7: little bit sassy at the same time.
Speaker 1: But I also don't. But I also don't.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 7: We're not here in the business of like waving the
Speaker 7: gross flag and like getting too little gin duck to
Speaker 7: be mad for no reason. Even with this you know,
Speaker 7: rules package, like we were a little bit it's like
Speaker 7: it's packaged, it's pitched a little bit aggressively, but it's
Speaker 7: not We tried not to clickbait it because it's like
Speaker 7: we're you're gonna have a good time reading this, Like
Speaker 7: we've tried to make it intriguing and fun and substantial,
Speaker 7: but without being too heavy handed and without also just
Speaker 7: being too too tardy.
Speaker 5: Right, given that have you had have you had pushback
Speaker 5: that was surprising for you?
Speaker 7: And tipping stuff really pushed pretty hard. People are upset
Speaker 7: about tipping in a way that I think we have
Speaker 7: to examine a little bit further. I think people feel
Speaker 7: I think it's touching on something about people feeling taken.
Speaker 1: Advantage of Yeah, and tipping.
Speaker 7: It's not about like is the world fair, our workplace
Speaker 7: is fair. It's sort of like I'm.
Speaker 1: Giving all I can or are people taking advantage of me?
Speaker 7: And it's like pushing and tipping. A tipping conversation spirals
Speaker 7: into these kind of dark places.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we did a whole episode on it here with
Speaker 5: someone who is part of what they teach at university
Speaker 5: is is tipping etiquette and what the new norms are
Speaker 5: and how they're changing, and it is about, you know,
Speaker 5: we got into a whole thing about I remember going
Speaker 5: into something like a Starbucks. I don't think it was
Speaker 5: a Starbucks, but I didn't order a coffee. I picked
Speaker 5: up a water bottle and something else that was on
Speaker 5: the shelf, and I went to pay for it with
Speaker 5: my card. And when they turned to tip the screen
Speaker 5: around and had you know, TI ten percent and fifteen percent,
Speaker 5: and I went, well, what's my application?
Speaker 4: You know, it's just and it has got.
Speaker 6: They turned the screen around, so the entire line is
Speaker 6: now your audience to see either being Chap or I
Speaker 6: can't believe he's a celebrity. He didn't do on the guy.
Speaker 6: Yet all of a sudden, everyone has to know what
Speaker 6: I tipped. And speaking of tipping, I think one of
Speaker 6: yours was. Splitting the bill is just the easiest way
Speaker 6: to do it. It's the right way to do it.
Speaker 4: I don't drink.
Speaker 6: When I go out with people who have a couple
Speaker 6: of drinks man, and we split the bill, I do
Speaker 6: it evenly, but I resent them for the rest of
Speaker 6: their natural life.
Speaker 7: No, no, you don't you drink. My friend's big birthday.
Speaker 7: Part of the day, there were just three of us.
Speaker 7: They both drink. I don't drink.
Speaker 1: They know that, and I was like, you, guys, we
Speaker 1: have to split this bill evenly.
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 7: First of all, you're going to make me do bath
Speaker 7: while I'm having a beautiful evening with my friends.
Speaker 6: Come on, so you don't care that they have a
Speaker 6: bottle of champagne, a thing, a wine, a thing, and
Speaker 6: you had a tomato soup.
Speaker 1: They had one hundred dollars bottle of wine, and I
Speaker 1: had a seltzer.
Speaker 5: I will give you an example of something. It's interesting,
Speaker 5: and I'll even credit it. The first time I ever
Speaker 5: heard of it. It was Jerry Seinfeld, where if you
Speaker 5: know that your intention is to cover the meal, to
Speaker 5: pay for the meal, Jerry did a thing that I
Speaker 5: heard about that I went, oh my god, that's brilliant.
Speaker 5: Is he got to the restaurant early, gave him the
Speaker 5: card and said, don't even bring us a check, just
Speaker 5: add a percentage for the tip and and it's and
Speaker 5: I'm pre signing it and and that's it, so that
Speaker 5: you know the meal ended. He said, well, this was great,
Speaker 5: and you know, I'll see you guys next time, and
Speaker 5: they're like, well, we have to get the bill, and
Speaker 5: he went nowhere done, and nobody could go, oh.
Speaker 4: No, well you shouldn't. It was a curb episode. They
Speaker 4: did a curb episode.
Speaker 5: But I actually thought that was and I've done that
Speaker 5: on a number of occasions, but I thought that was a.
Speaker 4: Great Not enough with me anyway.
Speaker 6: I love Never wake up your significant other for any
Speaker 6: reason to tell.
Speaker 1: You know this rule right, It's amazing, and yet people
Speaker 1: do this.
Speaker 4: They feel it's important to wake up their spouse to
Speaker 4: tell them side. I can imagine.
Speaker 5: I can imagine I've had kidney stones in my time.
Speaker 5: I have woken my wife up to go, I'm having
Speaker 5: a kidney stone, and if she was on our game,
Speaker 5: she'd go, so what do you want me to exactly?
Speaker 6: I'm not going in to get it out? What the
Speaker 6: hell is that about? But you want to share, guys.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I guess I am wrong.
Speaker 5: If I've misdiagnosed and you'll find me down on the
Speaker 5: bathroom floor.
Speaker 4: You shouldn't.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't die without informing your spouse.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you want them to know your exceptions to every rule.
Speaker 6: If you're in pain, you want your spouse to share
Speaker 6: that annoyance with you. By the way, yeah, you may
Speaker 6: callously cancel almost any plans up until two pm.
Speaker 1: So this was a big thing that changed we think
Speaker 1: from COVID on, you.
Speaker 7: Know what I mean, Like back in the day, there's
Speaker 7: more and more notice Now it's like it's afternoon, it's lunch,
Speaker 7: you're not going to dinner. Just tell them it's over.
Speaker 7: I think people let each other off the hook a
Speaker 7: lot more with plans now than they ever get before.
Speaker 6: It's okay, yeah, good for what you said prior to
Speaker 6: this is how many times have you used the I
Speaker 6: think I have COVID thing when you knew you didn't
Speaker 6: have COVID?
Speaker 4: How many times show we one hand, two hands.
Speaker 1: A couple definitely a few times.
Speaker 5: I've never done that I think I have COVID. I've
Speaker 5: said I'm feeling a little under the weather. But you know,
Speaker 5: COVID is very specific.
Speaker 4: But you know what it does.
Speaker 6: It completely makes them forget about the cancelation and you're
Speaker 6: a good person for thinking about their health and welfare.
Speaker 4: Oh, this is a good one. This is a good one.
Speaker 4: I do this to Peter.
Speaker 5: Someone starts telling you a story you've heard you have
Speaker 5: two reconds to stop them.
Speaker 7: No, listen, you two have known each other too long,
Speaker 7: and he tells so many stories.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gotta happen like once a week.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh easily.
Speaker 5: I let one slide today when Peter had to tell
Speaker 5: you that he'd been written in radio talk right for
Speaker 5: thirtys In the episode, there's some reference to him being
Speaker 5: in talk right here for thirty years.
Speaker 4: He doesn't know me. It's kind of a different thing, right.
Speaker 1: He's famous to me from the stage.
Speaker 5: That's right out ouch in New York, in fact.
Speaker 1: But you can cut them off. You can be like,
Speaker 1: that's right, you told me that just the other week.
Speaker 1: I loved that story.
Speaker 6: No, Jason has to remind me, and if he doesn't
Speaker 6: do it, he's got to figure out new ways to
Speaker 6: do it.
Speaker 4: Punishing I heard it before. It's got to be.
Speaker 5: Half like how I disciplined friend's children.
Speaker 6: And people that I know have psychological You should also
Speaker 6: mention we disciplined children.
Speaker 4: It's a little pinch under the arm.
Speaker 1: You should also get a couple's therapists on the show
Speaker 1: to work with you two.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, what is the English one? Wrankled anybody?
Speaker 5: I just love the way it was said to I
Speaker 5: think I'm calling it correctly. If you if you saw
Speaker 5: someone shoplifting, No you didn't, really don't.
Speaker 4: You don't.
Speaker 5: You don't say it's not if you see something saying
Speaker 5: something that's not good, if.
Speaker 7: Your if your mom owns the store, maybe maybe it's different.
Speaker 7: But we think generally in turnstile jumping and like and
Speaker 7: you know, finger grabbing, you know, taking a little stuff
Speaker 7: off the shelves.
Speaker 1: It's happening. You don't know why it's happening. You don't
Speaker 1: know where it's going. Mind your business.
Speaker 4: Hold on, how about an armed robbery?
Speaker 7: Armed robbery, you should seize the weapon from the robbery.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Corey, even you too, you have it in you. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Before you go, can I ask you one question about
Speaker 6: style and fashion? Since you were the style editor for
Speaker 6: a long time, what is your what's the late breaking
Speaker 6: fashion for for men women coming up into twenty twenty four?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 1: Mostly near nudity.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry you're near nudity.
Speaker 7: Like I would say, like what you're seeing in fashion,
Speaker 7: and I think you're going to see this as it is.
Speaker 7: It keeps up this summer and in LA in particular,
Speaker 7: you're going to see more tops and bottoms of ueles, butts,
Speaker 7: more under boob more over, like you're just going to
Speaker 7: see people basically neck it.
Speaker 4: Why because it feels great and.
Speaker 1: It's hot out, because global warming? Because nothing matters.
Speaker 4: I don't know, well seriously does it?
Speaker 5: Is it also indicative of a different attitude about I mean,
Speaker 5: some of it is just.
Speaker 4: Decorum vanity.
Speaker 5: Uh, you know, I was brought up you just don't
Speaker 5: wear certain things like I would never wear flip flops
Speaker 5: on an airplane.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, it's just that kind of thing
Speaker 4: that sad. Yeah, I know, I know. And And is that.
Speaker 5: Is that because generations coming up are going, no, the
Speaker 5: hell with that stuff? If you be be who you are,
Speaker 5: dress how you dress, if you want to show your body,
Speaker 5: show your mother. Are we coming up to a time
Speaker 5: where it will be no big deal for anybody male, female,
Speaker 5: or whatever gender they identify with to be topless on
Speaker 5: the street and we all just go fine.
Speaker 1: I honestly think we're getting kind of close.
Speaker 7: I mean, we live in New York City where where
Speaker 7: toplessness of all genders is legal on the street, which
Speaker 7: is not something that will take advantage of.
Speaker 1: Every day, right, But it's like more and more like
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 7: We're seeing things that resemble toplessness in people, and it's
Speaker 7: I don't know where it's going.
Speaker 1: It's sort of fascinating. I don't know what it means.
Speaker 1: Does it means freedom, doesn't mean outrageousness. Is it attention seeking?
Speaker 7: Is it a social media consequence or is it just
Speaker 7: the next great thing because people always have to try
Speaker 7: something new.
Speaker 6: I don't And body positivity, I guess people feel more
Speaker 6: comfortable in the bodies and less judge. So that could be.
Speaker 6: That could be you see Kanye West. There's not much
Speaker 6: clothing on Kanye West girlfriend at any given time. You
Speaker 6: would see at a swim cluck, not on the street,
Speaker 6: but it's out there and it's so what.
Speaker 5: But I always, you know, part of me, I always
Speaker 5: wondered if we if we did have more public nudity,
Speaker 5: if we'd finally get over all this body stuff. You know,
Speaker 5: the biggest clickbait in the world is uh so and
Speaker 5: so side boob.
Speaker 4: You know, you know, well that's something.
Speaker 7: It's like, I do think that something, and I think
Speaker 7: like actually Brianna and her under our line and like
Speaker 7: stuff like that has done good work with this is
Speaker 7: like what you're saying this as good as that, like
Speaker 7: people's people's bodies don't always look ideal, Like I don't know,
Speaker 7: I mean mine is amazing, but like you know, but
Speaker 7: like this is not that not even looks great for
Speaker 7: every angle. And I think that we're gonna I think
Speaker 7: young people are doing a good job of saying like,
Speaker 7: like this is my unideal body.
Speaker 1: It is the body I will be living it until.
Speaker 7: I die, and like we're gonna have to get this,
Speaker 7: so enjoy some of this cellu light in some of
Speaker 7: this man's lab and like let's move along.
Speaker 6: Well, Corey, I want to thank you and your perfect
Speaker 6: body for company. I'll continue to such with the magazine. Coreye,
Speaker 6: thank you very much for coming.
Speaker 4: And you know, this.
Speaker 5: Seems like and we did have fun with Corey and
Speaker 5: and I'm so thrilled that we did, because a lot
Speaker 5: of the stuff that he that he and his team
Speaker 5: are coming up with.
Speaker 4: Are just and silly.
Speaker 5: But there's also that we we got onto a couple
Speaker 5: of them that are like, yeah.
Speaker 6: Dude, we did an entire episode about public behavior, and
Speaker 6: it's degenerating. People have throwing stuff on stage with performers.
Speaker 6: Why would why would you feel the need that it's okay,
Speaker 6: do we need somebody to come down from a mountain. Go,
Speaker 6: don't to do that for people that are singing?
Speaker 4: What's that about? What does that behavior about? So better?
Speaker 4: If you're worse?
Speaker 6: It's I think it's I understand that, mister google him.
Speaker 6: That was kind of interesting, fascinating about rules. One of
Speaker 6: the rules is we end with you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I've been breaking most of them, but now I
Speaker 8: know that i'll be breaking them. My question was, I
Speaker 8: hate putting you on the spot there, but well, first
Speaker 8: of all, I do have a correction. It's Kanye West's.
Speaker 4: I forgot you know what.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I forgot that she got married due censorio or
Speaker 6: whatever her name is. I believe I forgot because I
Speaker 6: forgot that the wedding gown was like a white uh
Speaker 6: nipple nipple plan?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I forgot. Oh nice. Nice.
Speaker 8: But my question was for either one of you, if
Speaker 8: you want to you want to take it, what was
Speaker 8: the rudest thing that you've ever done or witness.
Speaker 4: In your life?
Speaker 8: The rudest thing, the rudest thing that like, oh my god,
Speaker 8: I can't believe either I did that or someone else
Speaker 8: did that to me or around me.
Speaker 4: I just thought of what it was for me? Do
Speaker 4: you know yours? Wow, I'm trying to think you know.
Speaker 4: So I was.
Speaker 6: I went out with a couple of people from my
Speaker 6: birthday to a restaurant and we were in it was
Speaker 6: it was the COVID post COVID, but it was still
Speaker 6: like in a big tent for the tables that's up
Speaker 6: and we were in the corner, way in the corner.
Speaker 6: And apparently and my whole family saw this, but I
Speaker 6: wasn't privy to it. Another family sat down with a
Speaker 6: teenage boy and the teenage girl and the husband. The
Speaker 6: father lost it was started railing at the daughter took
Speaker 6: her phone, ripped it out of her hand and threw
Speaker 6: it across the restaurant and it whizz. I didn't see
Speaker 6: any whizz by my head ricocheted off the wall, and
Speaker 6: people were running out to ask guard table from the restaurant,
Speaker 6: and I didn't know what was going on because it
Speaker 6: was so dramatic and so over the top, and so
Speaker 6: it was unsettling for my family watching somebody treat their
Speaker 6: daughter that. When then they sat down and continued to eat,
Speaker 6: but whiz, the phone passed my head like a fastball,
Speaker 6: ricocheting off the wall and having that kind of outburst
Speaker 6: at a restaurant was pretty bad.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Listen, I'm sure I would not be
Speaker 5: proud of it. I don't know, but I'm not thinking
Speaker 5: of something I've done. I'm sure I've been perceived to
Speaker 5: be rude or maybe I've been routed at some point.
Speaker 4: But the.
Speaker 5: Thing I remember, and I won't name names, but my
Speaker 5: family was at a restaurant with other people at our table,
Speaker 5: and granted we didn't have the best service I've ever seen,
Speaker 5: but it was also very clear that the person waiting
Speaker 5: on us was a bit overwhelmed. It was it was
Speaker 5: pre theater. Things had to move, and we we were
Speaker 5: fair of the watch table. We had ten people at
Speaker 5: our table, and some of the people in the other
Speaker 5: party were openly disparaging and condescending and insulting, and I
Speaker 5: just I cannot. That just makes me crazy when you
Speaker 5: know it's just it's just not the enough set. It
Speaker 5: makes me crazy. But when I see stuff like who
Speaker 5: are you? Who are you sitting in judgment of I'm
Speaker 5: not in judgment. I released judgment. That's why I forget.
Speaker 5: You will leave something else student insulting. Sorry, David, thank
Speaker 5: you producer, Laurie, thank you? It is a Laurie Amir Elizabeth?
Speaker 5: Who am I forgetting? Who our children or son Noah
Speaker 5: are announcer? Who else is on our team? That we
Speaker 5: should it's we're on.
Speaker 4: A team a budget, we're out a budget, We're done?
Speaker 4: Should I sing another song that we can't? Pat By
Speaker 4: the way and.
Speaker 5: The guy hammering and dwelling next door, let's think, Howie
Speaker 5: Mandelan isn't higher studio here?
Speaker 6: And I want to know if the bookcases for maybe
Speaker 6: they were making a bookcase or some gift for us.
Speaker 5: I think they're trying to replace the metal corrugated door
Speaker 5: that separates us from the sounds of the rest of
Speaker 5: the studio, not knowing that metal is a fantastic ractor.
Speaker 6: What's the movie where the zombies are running eight hundred
Speaker 6: miles an hour and killing people, oh, twenty eight hours later.
Speaker 6: I feel like when they put the door down, it's like,
Speaker 6: twenty eight hours later they're keeping out some evil.
Speaker 5: Thank you new rule no hammering outside of good night, everybody.
Speaker 2: Really, that's another episode of really, no really comes to
Speaker 2: a close. I know you're wondering what pandemic based innovations
Speaker 2: and technologies are here to stay forever. That answer in
Speaker 2: a moment, but first let's thank our guest, Corey Seka.
Speaker 2: You can read more of the new rules in New
Speaker 2: York Magazine under the articles titled do you know how
Speaker 2: to Behave?
Speaker 3: Are you Sure?
Speaker 2: And you can follow Corey on Instagram where he is
Speaker 2: at Corey seeka and on x where he is simply.
Speaker 3: At Corey No.
Speaker 2: Find all pertinent links in our show notes, our little
Speaker 2: show hangs out on in TikTok YouTube, and threads at
Speaker 2: really No Really podcast, And of course you can share
Speaker 2: your thoughts and feedback with us.
Speaker 3: Online at reallynoreli dot com.
Speaker 2: If you have a really some amazing factor story that
Speaker 2: boggles your mind, share it with us and if we
Speaker 2: use it, we will send you a little gift. Nothing
Speaker 2: life changing, obviously, but it's the thought that counts. Check
Speaker 2: out our full episodes on YouTube, hit that subscribe button
Speaker 2: and take that bells here updated when we release new
Speaker 2: videos and episodes, which we do each Tuesday, So listen
Speaker 2: and follow us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts or
Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts. And now, what are some
Speaker 2: of those pandemic based innovations and technologies that.
Speaker 3: Are never going away. Number one.
Speaker 2: As struggling restaurants looks for ways to keep revenue flowing,
Speaker 2: they ask cities and states to allow them to provide
Speaker 2: cocktails to go with takeout orders.
Speaker 3: So if our thirty five states.
Speaker 2: Have adopted ordinances allowing the continued sale of cocktails to go.
Speaker 3: Number two.
Speaker 2: Before COVID medicare only allowed for telehealth visits in rural
Speaker 2: areas during the pandemic, though the practice grew so patients
Speaker 2: could get medical help without leaving home and potentially.
Speaker 3: Spreading the virus.
Speaker 2: The practice is now immensely popular with patients and physicians alike,
Speaker 2: and the use is common and low cost.
Speaker 3: Number three.
Speaker 2: mRNA technology allows a vaccine to target virus cells without
Speaker 2: having to inject the virus itself. The technology broke through
Speaker 2: with the COVID nineteen vaccine and is fast becoming the
Speaker 2: newest and most promising technology for other diseases and treatments.
Speaker 2: Number four Those incredibly cute and annoying robot deliveries. No
Speaker 2: longer do we send three bags of chips in a
Speaker 2: two ton car burning gallons of gas. We simply placed
Speaker 2: them in a lunch box with wheels and send it
Speaker 2: economically to its lucky recipient, So please resist the urge
Speaker 2: to kick them, because they're here to stay. Number five
Speaker 2: Zooming became a god send during the pandemic. Separated families
Speaker 2: and friends could actually visit, seeing each other and responding
Speaker 2: in real time. For hospital patients who could not have visitors,
Speaker 2: zoom often was the only way to bring comfort or
Speaker 2: say goodbyes. Now it is a mainstay of business and
Speaker 2: social interaction.
Speaker 3: And it's not going anywhere. A Number six streetereries.
Speaker 2: When real indoor dining became impossible, restaurants opened their doors,
Speaker 2: claimed some sidewalk space or a few parking spots, and
Speaker 2: set up there covered heated, weather proof all.
Speaker 3: Fresco dining areas.
Speaker 2: It expanded seating capacity, and amazingly, people seem to actually
Speaker 2: like being out in the world while enjoying a meal.
Speaker 2: Fancy that it all goes to show that when humankind
Speaker 2: faces great challenges, great ideas are born. It would be
Speaker 2: really great if we didn't have to do the great
Speaker 2: challenges first, but you know, we're working on it.
Speaker 4: Really really is.
Speaker 3: The production of iHeartRadio and Blaise Entertainment