WEBVTT - Beto Backlash!  Tim Miller talks to Armstrong & Getty

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<v Speaker 1>slash doing our part. So many interesting things to talk about?

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<v Speaker 1>How much presidential race? Yeah, I don't know. We've only

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<v Speaker 1>got what was that sean nineties, six days to go.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be over in the blink of a hunt

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<v Speaker 1>right around the corner, I tell you what, though, even

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<v Speaker 1>the early days have been fun to watch in a way,

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of ways. For instance, the Beaeto mania

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<v Speaker 1>followed by the betto backlash, and Tim Miller, who's a

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<v Speaker 1>calumnist for The Bulwark, is reading a piece entitled the

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<v Speaker 1>Beato Woke Wars that we found quite intriguing and have

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<v Speaker 1>invited Tim on. Hey Tim, how are you sir? Hey guys,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing great. Good to be with you. It's five

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<v Speaker 1>ninety four More days of this. You're killing me. It can't.

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<v Speaker 1>But seriously, it can't be this pace. Ken, It is

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<v Speaker 1>that possible. Didn't we say that last time? Yeah? I

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<v Speaker 1>think it can. I think it can be this pace,

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<v Speaker 1>especially with with Trump. Hey, we didn't invite you on

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<v Speaker 1>to make a suicidal tim Alright, you guys did it

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<v Speaker 1>to me. So I'll tell us about your piece the

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<v Speaker 1>Better Woke Wars. Yeah. Well, look, I'm sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>never Trump Republican for listeners who don't know me. So

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I have this interesting perspective where I

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<v Speaker 1>feel disengaged from both primaries, and so I've been kind

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<v Speaker 1>of going to events on both sides to try to

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<v Speaker 1>get a feel for what the what the voters wanted

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<v Speaker 1>and the betto thing that has been so interesting to me,

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<v Speaker 1>in kind of another depressing all the suicidal way is

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<v Speaker 1>that he was, you know, the golden boy of the

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<v Speaker 1>left in eighteen he was going after Ted people, Ted

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<v Speaker 1>Cruz and uh, you know, he was on Ellen and

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<v Speaker 1>he was defending Kaepernick and and and all of this.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the calendar turns to twenty nineteen and he's

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<v Speaker 1>running against socialist Bernie Sanders and you know, candidates that

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<v Speaker 1>are more popular at the intersectional social justice laughed like

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<v Speaker 1>Kamala Harris and and they've turned on him, and they've

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<v Speaker 1>turned on him. And in every article you read about

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<v Speaker 1>him from lefty outlets, now, uh, they talked about his

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<v Speaker 1>white privilege and his privilege as a male, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just thinking to myself about, how what what hope

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<v Speaker 1>do you know? Moderate Republicans have to build a coalition

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<v Speaker 1>with these folks if they're gonna turn on Bettos so quickly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I talked to a a college student who was, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, progressive, like a lot of college students are

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<v Speaker 1>on Friday, and it was kind of you know, I said, so,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think of Betto? And I was ready

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<v Speaker 1>for the Oh my god, this is that and it

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<v Speaker 1>was all, what a fraud, what a complete fraud. And

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<v Speaker 1>it really really caught me by surprise. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>saw the New republic article, article in the Slate article

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<v Speaker 1>and saw the backlash in the New York Times about

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<v Speaker 1>him not letting his wife's talk during the commercial, and thought, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>the article crazy. Honestly, thesteners haven't read it. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the most insane thing that I've read. The New York

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<v Speaker 1>Times wrote not it wasn't like a columnist with an opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a news story. He wrote. That was that

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<v Speaker 1>the premise of the story that was Betto was appearing

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<v Speaker 1>to revel in his advantages in a white male as

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<v Speaker 1>a white male because his wife didn't speak in the

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<v Speaker 1>announcement video. Now remember written as a news story, which

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<v Speaker 1>is crazy number one Betto's wife. And look, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>really particularly Bettle fan. He's far too left for me.

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<v Speaker 1>But but you know, you have to when you see crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta call it crazy. Betto's wife spoke in in

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<v Speaker 1>the magazine article interview. She speaks at his events like

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<v Speaker 1>this idea that he's trying to silence her. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is the same critique that Trump, remember leveled against because

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<v Speaker 1>your Khan's wife at the convention that that the New

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<v Speaker 1>York Times was all up in arms over about how

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<v Speaker 1>that was the offensive. And now you know now that

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's the folks on their side that are, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>being threatened. It's a it's stair game, it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's really insane to see how how the tables have

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<v Speaker 1>turned on this stuff. It's probably worth tossing in as

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<v Speaker 1>an aside that Laura Logan famously said on our show

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks ago that she'll read a New

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<v Speaker 1>York Times news article and not find a fact in it. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>this is true, and this this article was paid to

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<v Speaker 1>five tweets. Guys. The reporter found five tweets a liberal

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<v Speaker 1>Brooklyn uh, you know social you know, socialist Bernie fans,

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<v Speaker 1>and then wrote an article based on this and was

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<v Speaker 1>saying that there's this ground soul of people who are

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<v Speaker 1>offended by her silence based on five liberals in Brooklyn.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just crazy that that at least at least it's

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<v Speaker 1>not the most important newspaper in the world. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>all of politics is a NonStop, hundred way back stabbery.

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<v Speaker 1>But Better Ork has to be absolutely astonished, has be

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<v Speaker 1>be shocked, of course he does. You know, I've been

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<v Speaker 1>talking to I was a communications director for a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of Republicans like Jeb and John McCain and others, And

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<v Speaker 1>I've been talking to some of my fellow flax we

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<v Speaker 1>call ourselves who have to deal with the press, we

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<v Speaker 1>call you that to it. Yeah, there you go flax

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<v Speaker 1>on there and uh and and everybody's just laughing. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a little bit of uh. And now you know

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<v Speaker 1>how it feels to be on our side, right because

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<v Speaker 1>Betto has been getting this this sort of insane, unfair

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<v Speaker 1>you know attacks that you know any Republican, you know

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<v Speaker 1>politicians used to getting it every day of the week

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<v Speaker 1>from the Times. Hey, since you brought it up, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is no no complain about Jeb. Seemed

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<v Speaker 1>like a perfectly nice guy. But if you're the communications

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<v Speaker 1>director for Jeb, tell us what it feels like when

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<v Speaker 1>you're not obviously dying campaign, I mean one that's just

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<v Speaker 1>not working. What does it feel like? It feels really painful?

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<v Speaker 1>I had, I was I've been on a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>losing campaigns, and the very first one I was on,

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<v Speaker 1>who was a guy running for governor of Delaware, Republican,

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<v Speaker 1>which was obviously a doomed battle toime. You know, he

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<v Speaker 1>was a marine and he told me. You know, when

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<v Speaker 1>I went into the Marines, I thought, how bad could

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<v Speaker 1>basic training be? And then, you know, my my father

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<v Speaker 1>said to me, you don't know how long six weeks

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<v Speaker 1>is until you live at one second at a time.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's kind of how I felt on the Jeb campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>I was living at one second at a time, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know we knew it about October. Look, I I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just have to say this, the Jeb is my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>person I've ever worked for. You might not like his politics,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's a fantastically decent man. It would have been

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<v Speaker 1>a great president. But in October we asked for a

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<v Speaker 1>poll and just asked why people didn't like him. Didn't

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<v Speaker 1>like him because he was a bush, because he was

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<v Speaker 1>the nature of the way he carried himself wasn't tough enough,

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<v Speaker 1>so to speak. I've never heard a single human being

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<v Speaker 1>alleged that he's less than a really good human being. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the president, I've heard one person like Jim Miller writes

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<v Speaker 1>for The Bulwark. We'll have a link to his article.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish we could have gotten more of it because

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<v Speaker 1>it's really really good, But just got Armstrong and Guetta

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. Hey, Tim, love the Chad. Let's do it

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<v Speaker 1>against soon. Huh, thanks, guys, I would love to well done.

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