1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: When you're ready to ride Metro, we want you to 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: know we're ready for you. Here are just a few 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 1: of the people at Metro to tell you how we're 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: doing our part to keep riders safe. We're cleaning like 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: novel before you have found half sound of sound of statist, 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: no mask, no Metro need one. We have a few 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: extras at Metro. We're doing our part to keep the 8 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: DC area moving. Find out more at wellma dot com 9 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: slash doing our part. So many interesting things to talk about? 10 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: How much presidential race? Yeah, I don't know. We've only 11 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: got what was that sean nineties, six days to go. 12 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: It's gonna be over in the blink of a hunt 13 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: right around the corner, I tell you what, though, even 14 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 1: the early days have been fun to watch in a way, 15 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. For instance, the Beaeto mania 16 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: followed by the betto backlash, and Tim Miller, who's a 17 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: calumnist for The Bulwark, is reading a piece entitled the 18 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: Beato Woke Wars that we found quite intriguing and have 19 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: invited Tim on. Hey Tim, how are you sir? Hey guys, 20 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Good to be with you. It's five 21 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: ninety four More days of this. You're killing me. It can't. 22 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: But seriously, it can't be this pace. Ken, It is 23 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: that possible. Didn't we say that last time? Yeah? I 24 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: think it can. I think it can be this pace, 25 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: especially with with Trump. Hey, we didn't invite you on 26 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: to make a suicidal tim Alright, you guys did it 27 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: to me. So I'll tell us about your piece the 28 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: Better Woke Wars. Yeah. Well, look, I'm sort of a 29 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: never Trump Republican for listeners who don't know me. So 30 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: I feel like I have this interesting perspective where I 31 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: feel disengaged from both primaries, and so I've been kind 32 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: of going to events on both sides to try to 33 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: get a feel for what the what the voters wanted 34 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: and the betto thing that has been so interesting to me, 35 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: in kind of another depressing all the suicidal way is 36 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: that he was, you know, the golden boy of the 37 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: left in eighteen he was going after Ted people, Ted 38 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: Cruz and uh, you know, he was on Ellen and 39 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: he was defending Kaepernick and and and all of this. 40 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: And then the calendar turns to twenty nineteen and he's 41 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: running against socialist Bernie Sanders and you know, candidates that 42 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: are more popular at the intersectional social justice laughed like 43 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris and and they've turned on him, and they've 44 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: turned on him. And in every article you read about 45 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: him from lefty outlets, now, uh, they talked about his 46 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: white privilege and his privilege as a male, and you know, 47 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking to myself about, how what what hope 48 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: do you know? Moderate Republicans have to build a coalition 49 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: with these folks if they're gonna turn on Bettos so quickly. Yeah, 50 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: I talked to a a college student who was, uh, 51 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: you know, progressive, like a lot of college students are 52 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: on Friday, and it was kind of you know, I said, so, 53 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: what do you think of Betto? And I was ready 54 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: for the Oh my god, this is that and it 55 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: was all, what a fraud, what a complete fraud. And 56 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: it really really caught me by surprise. And then I 57 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: saw the New republic article, article in the Slate article 58 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: and saw the backlash in the New York Times about 59 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: him not letting his wife's talk during the commercial, and thought, wow, 60 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: the article crazy. Honestly, thesteners haven't read it. This is 61 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: the most insane thing that I've read. The New York 62 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: Times wrote not it wasn't like a columnist with an opinion. 63 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: It was a news story. He wrote. That was that 64 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: the premise of the story that was Betto was appearing 65 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: to revel in his advantages in a white male as 66 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: a white male because his wife didn't speak in the 67 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: announcement video. Now remember written as a news story, which 68 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: is crazy number one Betto's wife. And look, I'm not 69 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: really particularly Bettle fan. He's far too left for me. 70 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: But but you know, you have to when you see crazy, 71 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: you gotta call it crazy. Betto's wife spoke in in 72 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: the magazine article interview. She speaks at his events like 73 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: this idea that he's trying to silence her. And this 74 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,119 Speaker 1: is the same critique that Trump, remember leveled against because 75 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: your Khan's wife at the convention that that the New 76 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: York Times was all up in arms over about how 77 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: that was the offensive. And now you know now that 78 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: it's it's the folks on their side that are, you know, 79 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: being threatened. It's a it's stair game, it's it's it's 80 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: it's really insane to see how how the tables have 81 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: turned on this stuff. It's probably worth tossing in as 82 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: an aside that Laura Logan famously said on our show 83 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago that she'll read a New 84 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: York Times news article and not find a fact in it. Well, 85 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: this is true, and this this article was paid to 86 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: five tweets. Guys. The reporter found five tweets a liberal 87 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: Brooklyn uh, you know social you know, socialist Bernie fans, 88 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: and then wrote an article based on this and was 89 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: saying that there's this ground soul of people who are 90 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: offended by her silence based on five liberals in Brooklyn. 91 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: It's just crazy that that at least at least it's 92 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: not the most important newspaper in the world. You know, 93 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: all of politics is a NonStop, hundred way back stabbery. 94 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: But Better Ork has to be absolutely astonished, has be 95 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: be shocked, of course he does. You know, I've been 96 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: talking to I was a communications director for a bunch 97 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: of Republicans like Jeb and John McCain and others, And 98 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: I've been talking to some of my fellow flax we 99 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: call ourselves who have to deal with the press, we 100 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: call you that to it. Yeah, there you go flax 101 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: on there and uh and and everybody's just laughing. Actually, 102 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: there's a little bit of uh. And now you know 103 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: how it feels to be on our side, right because 104 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: Betto has been getting this this sort of insane, unfair 105 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: you know attacks that you know any Republican, you know 106 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: politicians used to getting it every day of the week 107 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: from the Times. Hey, since you brought it up, and 108 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,559 Speaker 1: this is this is no no complain about Jeb. Seemed 109 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: like a perfectly nice guy. But if you're the communications 110 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: director for Jeb, tell us what it feels like when 111 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: you're not obviously dying campaign, I mean one that's just 112 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: not working. What does it feel like? It feels really painful? 113 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: I had, I was I've been on a couple of 114 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: losing campaigns, and the very first one I was on, 115 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: who was a guy running for governor of Delaware, Republican, 116 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: which was obviously a doomed battle toime. You know, he 117 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: was a marine and he told me. You know, when 118 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: I went into the Marines, I thought, how bad could 119 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: basic training be? And then, you know, my my father 120 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: said to me, you don't know how long six weeks 121 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,679 Speaker 1: is until you live at one second at a time. 122 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: And that's kind of how I felt on the Jeb campaign. 123 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: I was living at one second at a time, and 124 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: you know we knew it about October. Look, I I'll 125 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: just have to say this, the Jeb is my favorite 126 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: person I've ever worked for. You might not like his politics, 127 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: but he's a fantastically decent man. It would have been 128 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 1: a great president. But in October we asked for a 129 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: poll and just asked why people didn't like him. Didn't 130 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: like him because he was a bush, because he was 131 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: the nature of the way he carried himself wasn't tough enough, 132 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: so to speak. I've never heard a single human being 133 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: alleged that he's less than a really good human being. Well, 134 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: the president, I've heard one person like Jim Miller writes 135 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,239 Speaker 1: for The Bulwark. We'll have a link to his article. 136 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: I wish we could have gotten more of it because 137 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: it's really really good, But just got Armstrong and Guetta 138 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, Tim, love the Chad. Let's do it 139 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: against soon. Huh, thanks, guys, I would love to well done. 140 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: That was awesome. When you're ready to ride Metro, we 141 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: want you to know we're ready for you. Here are 142 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: just a few of the people at Metro to tell 143 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: you how we're doing our part to keep riders safe, 144 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: were cleaning like never before. The great clean. You've found 145 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: hand stunt of size of statist, no mask, no Metro 146 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: need one. We have a few extras at Metro. We're 147 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: doing our part to keep the DC area moving. Find 148 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: out more at well mata dot com, slash doing our part.