1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:01,440 Speaker 1: Worrying. 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 2: Today's episode will contain spoilers for some Superman comic stories, 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: but light light stuff. We're just gonna be talking about it, 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 2: getting you ready for Superman. 5 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: What an is Jason? 6 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: Except oh and I'm rosday night And welcome back to 7 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 2: Extra Vision, the podcast where we got deep at your 8 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 2: favorite trees, movies, comics, and pop culture. Coming overmind our 9 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: podcast where were rede episodes every Tuesday and Thursday. Plus 10 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 2: we're highlights the summer's biggest movies every Friday. 11 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: Hey news on Saturday. Wow, look at that faster than 12 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: a speeding bullet, Jason in trop In today's episode, we 13 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: are exploring the longer winding road or maybe actually surprisingly 14 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: short road. Let's talk about it that we have had 15 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: to walk to get to James Gunns Superman movie. And 16 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: guess what, we have a very special interview with James 17 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: Gunn himself, whoa hosted by none other than the fantastic 18 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: superproducer and comic book superstar Joel Monique. So you are 19 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: gonna look forward to that. It's gonna be great. And 20 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: in the airlock we're gonna talk about it. How did 21 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: we get here? In the comics corner, We're gonna talk 22 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: about the comics that James Gunn himself has said inspired Superman. 23 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: And remember, guys, if you love superheroes, if you're excited 24 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: about Superman, if you can't wait to see the Fantastic Four, 25 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: guess what great news. Not only we'll be covering it here, 26 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: but we're gonna be a SDCC San Diego comic com Baby, 27 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna be there together. We're gonna be saying hi 28 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: to the fans. We're gonna be doing some fun panels. 29 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: We're gonna be doing some fun meat and greets. So 30 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: hit us up in the discord if you're coming, and 31 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: keep an eye on socials for announcements. 32 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about how we got here. Superman is coming. 33 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 2: I cannot believe it. It is July second as we 34 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: record this. Superman is a week and a half away. 35 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 2: This is obviously a huge movie for the ongoing James 36 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 2: Gunn Peter Saffran project at the new DC. You let's 37 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: talk about how we got here? How do we get here? Rosie? 38 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: Okay, So, if you can believe it, it feels like 39 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: it was both yesterday and ten years ago. But in 40 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: October twenty twenty two, James gun and Peter Saffram were 41 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: announced as the CoA chairs and co CEOs of what 42 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: was then a very new name for our film expertise 43 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 1: from DC DC Studios. We that was a new established thing. 44 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: They took over from Walter Harmado, who had kind of 45 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: overseen the DCEU. People were very surprised by this because 46 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: James Gunn is not an exec he is a director, 47 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: and that is not usually done. But they were, you know, 48 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: we have david'saslov over there, they're reporting directly to him. 49 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: They start working with De Luca and Abdy who are 50 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: in charge of the films over there, and hilariously, literally 51 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: like a week later, they were like, Okay, we're working 52 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 1: on this. It's called the DCU. It's going to be 53 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: the DC Universe. There's going to be a Bible and 54 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: the last kind of DCEU film we had Aquaman and 55 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: the Lost Kingdom. They're kind of working on that at 56 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: the same time as. 57 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 2: It was definitely a overlapping, yes, overlapping start to finish 58 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: a little bit of a messy and not anybody's fault. 59 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: I mean, anytime you're going to bring in a new 60 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: creative and executive team, there's going to be some kind 61 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: of overlap. So yeah, it wasn't like exactly like a 62 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: clean cut. 63 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 3: No. 64 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: It was pretty crazy too, because there were other stuff 65 00:03:54,920 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: that was in production. So you had Wonder Woman was 66 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: supposed to be a third Wonder Woman sequeled by Patty 67 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: Jenkins that was cut. We also had just had Black Adam. 68 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: The hierarchy of the DCEU did change, but not in 69 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: the favor of that movie. So even though they had 70 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: brought back Henry Carvill as Superman and there was kind 71 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: of this hint that it would move back towards that 72 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: Snyder us that was then thrown out, the Batman films 73 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: we learned would be integrated. Makes sense because Matt Reeves 74 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: Batman is incredible. And the other thing that became very 75 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: clear and was an interesting kind of unexpected crossover, was 76 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: that Jason Momoa, even though he had played Aquaman in 77 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: this new universe, would be cast as Lobo. So we 78 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: were getting all these little bits and pieces, but it 79 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: was not necessarily, as Jason said, very clean. It was 80 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: really messy. Last couple of months of the year was 81 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: just NonStop news. I'm sure you can go back and 82 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: hear us kind of in shock about it if you 83 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: go back and listen to those episodes. But it was 84 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: in January twenty twenty three, so only two years ago, 85 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: which seems kind of crazy that they had basically started 86 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: to work on like a bible where it was the 87 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: idea of it was going to be called Gods and Monsters, 88 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: and it was gonna be the first kind of eight 89 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: to ten years of the DCU, which makes sense because 90 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: that is what the MCU had done to much success, 91 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: and dc had never really managed to do it. So 92 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: the first five films that they announced Superman Legacy retitled 93 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: to Superman the Authority. That was always kind of out there, 94 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: but it makes sense with James gunn As, he's kind 95 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: of like he loves an edgy story. He loves something 96 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: it's a bit gritty and dark, the brave and the bold. 97 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: Another thing I found surprising essentially we as we understand it, 98 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: kind of like a Batman and Robin's story was the 99 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: plan there. Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow now renamed as simply Supergirl, 100 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: which I think is very interesting and swamp thing that 101 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: is the five that we first heard about. Then we 102 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: had Creature Commando's announcement, which has come out and was 103 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: actually pretty great. Waller an Amanda Waller TV show Lanterns, 104 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: which we actually have a cast for and we know 105 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: is going ahead, Paradise Lost, which is a two thousand 106 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: years before Wonder Woman was born kind of history of 107 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: the Amazons, and a Booster Gold TV show which we 108 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: have not heard a lot about but I think is 109 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: probably up there. 110 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: Which definitely seems like something that is they've gone very 111 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 2: close to James Gunn's heart loves. Let's talk about the golfer. 112 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 2: This is a crazy sliineup for a moment. First of all, 113 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: how we're kind of like hinting at the turnaround? So 114 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 2: this is what twenty twenty three. It is now summer 115 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five, the Superman movie is coming out. 116 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 2: How much of Superman did James Gunn come to this 117 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 2: deal with. 118 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,679 Speaker 1: Do you? I think I do think that he came 119 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: with an idea of how to set it up when 120 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: I spoke. 121 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 2: The year descript or at least like story. 122 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: I think he had an outline. I think that from 123 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: the earliest part of the outline he knew and had 124 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: a vision for what he wanted. I think starting it 125 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: around Superman makes a lot of sense. I think something 126 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: that really appealed to gun about Superman was the ability 127 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: to make a story about a character who is inherently 128 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: good and kind of chooses to be good in a 129 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: world where everyone else chooses not to be. And I 130 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: think he came to them with that. I think him 131 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: and Saffran they'd worked together extensively. I think Peter Saffran 132 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: might have even been James Gunn's old agent at some point, 133 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: like early on. And I think that something that was 134 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: really interesting about this choice was basically that James Gunn said, Hey, 135 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: we're going back to the classics. We're going to start 136 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: with Superman. We're going to try and find our in 137 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: verse of Batman. We still don't know if that's happening. 138 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: But one of the things that was really cool that 139 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: I think made this stand out was the choice to 140 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: basically say, this isn't a full reboot, like we still 141 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: like Viola Davis Award winning thespian Icon, we're keeping her 142 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: as Amanda Walla. Obviously, John Cena Peacemaker, we're bringing him 143 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: back in. That's a story that James loves, a character 144 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: he really cares about, so they're gonna be in. And 145 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: then you start getting these other additions like Rick Flagg 146 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 1: Senior played by Frank Grio, who's going to be continuing 147 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: the story of Rick Flagg Junior, who we saw get 148 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: killed in the Suicide Squad movie. Very great movie. Sorry 149 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: for the spoilers, Guys, go watch it. It's amazing And essentially, 150 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: like we started to see that while there was conversations 151 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: about is Galgado is Ezra Miller, is Zachary Levy all 152 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: these people who now are like, well, it's kind of 153 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: clear that they weren't going to come back. But back 154 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: then there was this idea of maybe there was a 155 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: potential for crossover. The only crossover we really got that 156 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 1: is still being confirmed. There was just another junkit inter 157 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: you with James that came out about this is that 158 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: Sholo Mariduena's Jime Reyes as Blue Beetle is still Cannon 159 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: to the DCU, And that was really interesting because it 160 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: meant that there was potential for him to be in 161 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: an animated series, potential for him to be kind of 162 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 1: in live action. I assume that they will add him 163 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: in the Booster Gold Show. So something that was very 164 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: unique about this too was we didn't really know what 165 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: was going to be the core of the DCU at 166 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: this point, but then Superman is announced as the first 167 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: feature and crazily they started shooting in Norway in February 168 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, so they must have had a script, 169 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: and I think that that was probably part of the pitch. 170 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you come there, come and you say, hey, stories. 171 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 1: This is how it going to start. This is because also, 172 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: as we've talked about quite extensively, Superman has a massive cast, 173 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: so James Gunn definitely probably came to them and said, hey, 174 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: this is why there's so many people in this movie. 175 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: This is my version of what I'm gonna do. And 176 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: they wrapped production on that movie by July twenty twenty four, 177 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: so this was clearly like like a speed run of 178 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: a movie. And hilariously, one of the biggest reveals post 179 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: the film actually being rapped was that Crypto would appear 180 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: in the film, and that has not something we'd seen 181 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: in live action, and obviously Crypto, Superman's beloved dog, also 182 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: plays a major part in Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow, the 183 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: comic which we know they're going to adapt, and it 184 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: was inspired by James Gunn's dog who because he is 185 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: a director. He named Ozu after the iconic Japanese director 186 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: of like Good Morning, one of my favorite movies, and 187 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: many other beautiful films. And Ozu is a very badly 188 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: behaved dog, and gun has kind of outwardly said when 189 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: he was dealing with Ozu, he was like, wait a minute, 190 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: like what if my dog had superpowers? And I was 191 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: having to deal with him like biting up my shit 192 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: and tearing up my furniture and stuff, And that was 193 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,839 Speaker 1: at the heart of how Superman began. So love that, 194 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: love to see more super pets in our life. Then 195 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: in December twenty twenty four, so basically two years after 196 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: the announcement is made that him and Saffran are the 197 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: co CEO's co chairman, they drop the first projects that's 198 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: under this banner, and it's an animated series, Creature Commandos. 199 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: So I think that had to be in production beforehand 200 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,599 Speaker 1: as a project James Gunn wanted to make, especially or 201 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: at least in pre produnimation. 202 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, animation, it's the train takes a long time to 203 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 2: leave the station with animation. 204 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 1: And the show is beautiful and it does establish characters, 205 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: it establishes that crossover nature we have Viola Davis is 206 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: voicing Amanda Walla. We have Frank Grio Asrik Flagg Senior, 207 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: who is also going to be in Superman, so we 208 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: start to get those crossovers. I think both of us 209 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: by the end of the series were really impressed with 210 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: what they did. It showcased James Gunns how good he 211 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: is with weirdo characters, with characters you might not care about. 212 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: And then there's kind of for this rollout, a little 213 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: bit of a break for a few months, and in 214 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 1: April twenty twenty five, at Cinema Con in Las Vegas, 215 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: where you know, crazy things happen and exhibitors show up, 216 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: and if you've watched the hilarious seth Rogan show the 217 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: studio that is where the final two episodes take place, 218 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: and that is where James Gunn dropped the first footage. 219 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: At Cinema Con, people are super into it and we 220 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: are sort of starting to get our first look at 221 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: this optimistic, very colorful, a Superman footage that looks really 222 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: different than what we've seen before. We have that reimagining 223 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: of the score, we start to see Crypto. I was 224 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: lucky enough to go to Warner Brothers to watch the 225 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: trailer launch where we got to see kind of the 226 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: opening moments with Crypto and Superman, really moving stuff. We 227 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: know that David corn Sweat and Rachel Brosnahan are cast 228 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: as Lois and Clark after a really interesting chemistry read 229 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: situation where they had three different actors playing Lowess, three 230 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 1: different actors playing Clark, had them in the same costumes 231 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: and they all kind of tried out together. Nicholas Holt, 232 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: who plays Lex Luthor, was involved in that. He was 233 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:42,719 Speaker 1: originally going for Superman but ended up with Lex, and 234 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: then that is basically where we are. We've seen a 235 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: few different trailers and Superman is going to be coming 236 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: out in July eleventh. We're going to see where it hits. 237 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: It's currently tracking for around one hundred and thirty five 238 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: million dollar opening. I think that would be huge. The 239 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: movie allegedly has a two hundred million dollar budget before marketing, 240 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: and I have to say the marketing for this movie 241 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: has been on point. The social media marketing for this 242 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: movie on the Superman account on Instagram is hilarious. It 243 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: understands that people ship Les and Clark. It understands that 244 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: they are really a trio. That's something the movie, and 245 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: James Gunn clearly understands. And then the next step after 246 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: Superman comes out is that Peacemaker will drop. So will 247 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: Peacemaker be in Superman? Is there gonna be yet? 248 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 2: It's gonna be. I think it's gonna pick up some 249 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 2: of the players it has right right it. Let's see 250 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 2: a quick break and then let's come back and talk 251 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 2: about some of that gods and monsters stuff, because I 252 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: think there's we've been we've been interested in that slate, 253 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 2: and so let's return to that. 254 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: It's a crazy slate. 255 00:14:48,240 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: It's crazy, yeah, and we're back, okay, quickly before we 256 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: jump into comics corner, let's talk about that slate. Superman 257 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: coming out in a week and two days, Supergirl June 258 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 2: twenty sixth, twenty twenty six, all set clay Face certainly 259 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 2: looks like it's gonna hit on September eleventh, twenty twenty six. 260 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 2: Now here's where it gets iffy. Yes, I think there's 261 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 2: two worlds right, Superman is a hit or Superman is 262 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 2: a disappointment slash not a hit. Considering those two possibilities, 263 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 2: which of the remaining slate movies actually come out? The 264 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 2: Authority The Brave and the bold and Swamp thing. I 265 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 2: will tell you that I believe the Authority never no 266 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 2: matter what, I believe it's never coming and never come out. 267 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 2: That's what I think. 268 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense they can put the characters in 269 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: the movies. Obviously, as we have spoken about, the writer 270 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: of the Authority, Warren Out, has had a very yeah 271 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: tempestuous last few years. We don't even need to get 272 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: into it google it. But I also think that the 273 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: fact that there are a couple of members of the 274 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: Authority as far as we know in the movie, with 275 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: Ultraman and the Engineer, I don't think that necessarily means 276 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: we're going to get an authority movie. I don't know 277 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: if it fits into this kind of optimistic wider scale 278 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: they're doing. There had been talks about certain movies being 279 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: elseworld movies if they didn't fit in, But honestly, I 280 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: thought that Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow would be an Elseworld's 281 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: movie because of just how different it is to anything else. 282 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: But it is not. So. I think authority movie never happens, 283 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: even if Superman is a massive hit. 284 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 2: I also never heard anything about it since it was 285 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 2: announced originally during this the first press run for you know, 286 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 2: the gods and monsters in. 287 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: Whereas other things like Clayface. Mike Flanagan wrote a script 288 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: for it. We ever direct to atached we have a 289 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: actor playing clay Face. 290 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 2: It always seemed weird and the effact that we did 291 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 2: anything else tells me I agree with you. No matter what, 292 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 2: I don't think we see this movie. 293 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: I think it was very much a situation where that's 294 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: clearly a comic James Gunn has a lot of love 295 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: for it was a different kind of almost like a 296 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: almost like an indie thing to throw in there that 297 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: made it seem like this is not just the heroes 298 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: you've heard of. And I think having the Authority in 299 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: the Superman universe and in this DC universe is great. 300 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: But I think that if we were to get an 301 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: Authority movie, I think it's ten years in the future 302 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: when this has been a massive hit it's the new 303 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: MCU and then we get a Superman and the Authority movie, 304 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: which is a great more recent comic that Grant Morrison 305 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: wrote that has also you know, got feet in the 306 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 1: animated world. I just think that's more likely. So I 307 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: think Authority is gone. I do think that, sadly for Rosie. 308 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: I do think that, yeah, twamp Thing is cut. I 309 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: don't think I love the idea of a James Mangold 310 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: swamp Thing. I love the idea of swamp Thing as 311 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 1: a tragic romantic hero. That's how I see it. He 312 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: wants to make a gothic horror movie. Sounds perfect, but 313 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: making swamp Thing is expensive. It's hard to do. They 314 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: already have precedent to say swamp Thing doesn't have an 315 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: audience because of the TV show, which is amazing. You 316 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: can watch it for free on the CW app. But 317 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: and there's been two swamp Thing movies before, so I 318 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: think it would be an easy exec choice to cut it. 319 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: As much as I want it, the only thing I 320 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: think it has going for it is James Gunn loves weirdos, 321 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: loves monsters, and I'm guessing that is a character that 322 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: he really likes. I will tell you what I think 323 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: is another one that might not make it, which is 324 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: really interesting because it should be your second thing after Superman. 325 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: If we understand the popularity, which is the brave and 326 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: the bold. 327 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 2: So now let me let me I agree with you. 328 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: Here's what I have to say. Putting on my pretend executive. 329 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 2: I'm a love executives. 330 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: Jason can Czepsion. 331 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 2: I'm going to say, what is this? Just make a 332 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 2: Batman movie? Uh, and exactly, I think that's what they'll do. 333 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 2: I think first of all, we have no casting news 334 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 2: on Batman. We know that search is ongoing, but we 335 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 2: have no casting news. By the way, the no casting 336 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 2: moves still even after the announcement. 337 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: And do you remember, like we literally had a live 338 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: show right in LA during the week when they were 339 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: casting Superman and it was all anyone could talk about. 340 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: It was all over tread. Yeah, it was crazy. And 341 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: the Batman there has been no you know this DC 342 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: used Batman has had no movement. Also, it was originally 343 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: meant to be directed by Andy Machette directed The Flash, 344 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: which was a flop. Also, the Brave and the Bold, 345 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: James Gum recently said in an interview with Rolling Stone 346 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: he doesn't like a campy Batman, but ironically the Brave 347 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: and the Bold title is very campy. It's connected to 348 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: the cam kind of kids comics. It's connected to the 349 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: very underrated and fun cartoon, which is also very campy. 350 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: So I think Batman's gonna have a reimagining. 351 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be a Batman to Batman's centric film, 352 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 2: and certainly I think the Brave and the Bold title 353 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 2: will have Batman a Brave in the Bold. It will 354 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 2: not just be the Brave in the Bold. Secondly, the 355 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 2: complete lack of any kind of casting news. Now, James 356 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 2: Gunn like four months ago came out and seemed to 357 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 2: shoot down the idea that Robert Pattinson, who's in The 358 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 2: Wonderful The Batman, would reprise the role as part of 359 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 2: this new DCU. He's the quote is this, It's certainly 360 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 2: not the plan. 361 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: That's not a no. That's not a no, I know. 362 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: And also that's the way. 363 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 2: We have no other news. So I would suggest to you, Rosie, 364 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 2: that there is still some wrangling about Robert Pattinson being 365 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 2: in DC. 366 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: I would love that because going on the movie looks 367 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: like it's gonna be very much about Metropolis and why 368 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: Superman is there, and that means that our version of 369 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: Gotham could be very different, very separate, does not have 370 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: to necessarily go alongside it. So I think in that 371 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: case there is a chance that the Batman could fit 372 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,959 Speaker 1: in really well. I kind of love the idea that 373 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: every Neighborhood is completely different tonally, and every hero is something. 374 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: I'm really excited that kind of came out of the blue, 375 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: and I don't I'm still unclear whether or not it 376 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: is fully involved, but I think it must be because 377 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 1: it exists. There is a DC animated movie called Dynamic 378 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: Duo that is coming out that looks unbelievable, and I 379 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: believe there's going to be a cinema release, and it 380 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: is about the friendship between Dick Grayson and Jason Todd, 381 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: and the images just look unbelievable. It looks like they're 382 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: trying to do some kind of stop motion Spider Verse 383 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: kind of combo. It was one of those things where 384 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: we really found out about it when some of the 385 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,479 Speaker 1: footage leaked, so I think that's very interesting. But that 386 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: is not set to come out till twenty twenty eight, 387 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: so we really are in a batman hole here, though 388 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: I will say I do think there was some hilarious 389 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: timing on the James Gunn interviews, because in the Rolling 390 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,959 Speaker 1: Stone interview he was like, you know, the real truth 391 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: is that Matt Reeves is just a slow writer and 392 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: we just got to let him do his thing, and 393 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: that's Okay, bro. The funniest thing is like the next day. 394 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: The next day, Matt Reeves posted that he had finished 395 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: the script on his Instagram, So I was like, I 396 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: love this, Matt. That's great. So I think definitely we're 397 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: gonna get Superman. It's coming out. We're gonna get Clayface 398 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: it's coming out. We're definitely getting Supergirl. I believe they've 399 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: wrapped on production on that. But what does that mean 400 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: for the rest of the DCU. I think we're gonna 401 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: have to see what this super box office looks like. 402 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 2: Putting on my exact hat, I'm I'm probably saying to 403 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 2: James Gunn and Saffron after this clay Face thing, it's 404 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 2: got to be a Batman movie. 405 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, come on, guys, that's what the people want. 406 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 2: Okay, let's take a quick break and let's dive into 407 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 2: the comics and we're at okay, let's talk about Listen, 408 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 2: James count has been very open about. 409 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: The Superman It's actually been one of the best things 410 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: about press. 411 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 2: Absolutely. He has been front and center, the biggest cheerleader 412 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 2: for the Superman stories he loves. So let's get into it. 413 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 2: Rosie tell us about the Superman. 414 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: Yes, we have kind of talked about this, but let's 415 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: talk about it in a more direct way now the 416 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: movie is coming out, Alsa Superman. That is the biggest 417 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: influence on this Superman movie, James Palace exactly, you know, 418 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: like he actually personally told me that, Frank quietly, the 419 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: artist on this book written by Grant Morrison, is the 420 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: biggest artistic influence on this movie. Plus he also called out, 421 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Jason, the colorist Jamie Grant as being 422 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: the person who really chose the palette, like what he 423 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: did in All Star Superman is what James Gunn took 424 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: from and that is why we have those saturations, those 425 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: digital saturated colors. And I love to hear James Gunn 426 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: calling out a colorist. Basically All Star Superman. It's hard 427 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: to put into words simply because it's such a deep book, 428 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: but it was basically Grant and Frank trying to make 429 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: a timeless Superman comic. It is about Superman and the 430 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: realities of what it would be like to have your 431 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: powers come from the Yellow Sun. What does that mean 432 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 1: if somebody uses the Yellow Sun against you? What does 433 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: it mean? I'll do it, you do it? 434 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 2: It is because this is actually I think if you 435 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 2: want a Lex Luthor story, oh, it's not just a 436 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 2: great Superman story, it's a great Lex Luthor story. So 437 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 2: Lex Luthor is finally tired of Superman shit, and he 438 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 2: kind of sets trap for him so that he Superman 439 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 2: is overpowered by the Yellow Sun, and this causes Superman 440 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 2: to go into a slow motion terminal decline. Superman is 441 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 2: very aware. 442 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: Basically like Superman got cancer. 443 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's very aware that he is going to pass away, 444 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 2: and so how does Superman set the world up and 445 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 2: set the people he loves up for a world without him? 446 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 2: And it's a very it's a beautiful Superman story. 447 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: I was really like when we saw Superman kind of 448 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: getting recharged up within the trailer with that machine and 449 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,959 Speaker 1: the robots too, I was like, oh my god, are 450 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: they really making like All Star All Start? 451 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 4: Now? 452 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 2: By him crashing into the ice seems like the kind 453 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 2: of cold open of All Star Superman. 454 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really powerful book. It's also got one 455 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: of the most famous Superman pages of all time, which 456 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: is Superman helping a goth teen down from a ledge 457 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: where they're considering, you know, taking their own life and 458 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: it's a really powerful scene. It gets kind of shared 459 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: all the time, and it is very much about you know, 460 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: Grant is very into mythology, so he calls them the 461 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: twelve Labors of Superman. But it's this idea of what 462 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: do you do for the people who are next? What 463 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: do you do for the people that you leave behind? 464 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: And I think that the original title Superman Legacy hints 465 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: that we may well see a version of this, but 466 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: I think as well, tonally, the kind of loving Superman, 467 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 1: the Superman who is obsessed with, you know, being the 468 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: right kind of good and being the person who saves 469 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: the day, that's definitely going to come into play in 470 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: the movie. And yeah, very interested to see just how 471 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: close this is, but it is still twenty years later. 472 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: This is the twentieth anniversary of the book being released. 473 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 1: One of the most beloved and powerful Superman comments. 474 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 2: Like, if you're going to read one Superman story today, well, 475 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 2: I don't know your next the next one? 476 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: All these So Superman for All Seasons is a four 477 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: issue comic book series by the beloved creative team Jeff 478 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 1: Lobe and Tim Sale. It does Tim the Long Halloween. 479 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: It's not often you're probably gonna hear me and Jason 480 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: yelling about how much we love Jeff Lowe. But this 481 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: is a rarity because the movie is so He's gone 482 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: is so beautiful. 483 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 2: He's got a thing, particularly when he partners with Tim, 484 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 2: that he does super I think maybe as good as 485 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 2: anybody has ever done it, which is take you into 486 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 2: a side story that is part of a character's origin story. 487 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 2: Let's take you into a different aspect of the early 488 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 2: years of a character. He's done it with the Hulk, 489 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 2: He's dead. You mentioned it with Batman, and He's he 490 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 2: does it here wonderfully with Superman. 491 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: This is one of my all time favorite Superman books. 492 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: I think it's beautiful. I think if you you know, 493 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: you can get this. It will be on Hoopla, It 494 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: will probably be on Libby if you have a library card. 495 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: It looks amazing digitally. But this is also the kind 496 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,479 Speaker 1: of book where I say, go out and find a 497 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: copy of it. You can get it from frift books, 498 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: you can get it from your local comic shop, find 499 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: a trade. It's four issues, super easy to read, and 500 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: essentially each issue is a different time in Superman's life, spring, summer, fall, winter, 501 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: and each one is narrated by a different person in 502 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: his life, beginning by his own father, John Kent, and 503 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: he talks about Smallville, and he talks about how he 504 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: was found, and he basically retells the origin story that 505 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: we got in John Byrne's Man of Steel, which was 506 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: very much kind of a stripped down, streamlined recontextualization of Superman, 507 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: and it is so beautiful. I think that the first issue, 508 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: especially in Spring, is going to really play into how 509 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: we see Kansas here in Summer, it's narrated by Lois Lane, 510 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: and I will say I think from the chemistry we've 511 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: seen in this kind of new era of Lois and Clark, 512 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: there's some really fun stuff in this book where Lois 513 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: is kind of like annoyed by Superman because he's kind 514 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: of always getting in the way of her stories, and yeah, 515 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: just really lovely stuff. We get Full, which actually is 516 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: narrated by Lex Luthor, and there's kind of this idea 517 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: of the his relationship with Metropolis being almost like a 518 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: love story that he sees and how Superman gets in 519 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: his way, which I think we could really see in 520 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: this movie. We know that Lex and Clark and Lex 521 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: and Superman are going to be just fighting lex is 522 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: obsessed with Superman and James Gunn's version. And then finally, 523 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: I love the Winter episode of this story because it's 524 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: narrated by Lana Lang, who's one of Clark's other love interests, 525 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: The Lady, the Other Lady, and it kind of deals 526 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: with like this sort of feeling of what does it 527 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: feel like to be in love with someone and not 528 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: end up with them? And then how does it feel 529 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: to see that person become the most famous, stunning kind 530 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: of hero in the world. And what I really love 531 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: about this book too, and I think gun is going 532 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: to take from what we've seen in the trailers is 533 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: it's all about the scope and scale the story we know, 534 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: but this is really about you get to see Superman 535 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: flying through these immense skies, you get to see the 536 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: corn fields where he grew up. You get to see 537 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: what it's like to see Superman if you live in Metropolis, 538 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: how does it feel to be there every day? I 539 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: just think this is such a great book, and when 540 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: this all star Superman, it's a fantastic, iconic book, but 541 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: it's also an incredibly high concept sci fi story where 542 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: the name is almost a spoiler because it's kind of 543 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: about how Superman becomes a star. He is this living star, 544 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: that's how he gets his powers. But this is so 545 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: easy to read. This is so accessible. This is the 546 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: kind of book that you can give to anyone who's 547 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: maybe like, hey, I want to read a Superman comic. 548 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: This is that book. And I'm very excited to see 549 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: how that translates, especially because I really love the chunky 550 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: Superman that we get in this book. And he has 551 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: the tribe, he has the chard, he's got a job head. 552 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: He's looking big and buff, and that's what we like, 553 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: and it's very Norman Rockwell, and I feel like he 554 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: looks like his vision is kind of similar. 555 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. The thing I love about about the look of 556 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 2: this Superman is it's like those old, like fifties ads 557 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 2: you'd get in a comic book or a pulp magazine 558 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 2: that's like char that like, are you a ninety pound 559 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 2: weekling getting like Sean kicked in your face? And the 560 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 2: after image of like the ninety pound weekling after he'd 561 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 2: been working out with whatever dumbbells that we would have 562 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 2: bought through this ad is like what Superman looks like. 563 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: Another one that I know was a huge influence on 564 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: James Gunn is. This is an interesting poll too, because 565 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: it wasn't originally meant to be mainline, but then it 566 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: was so popular they decided to make it Cannon, which 567 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: is the Mark Wade Leonard Francis you book Superman birth Right, 568 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: which was originally meant to basically be like what if 569 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: Superman existed in the twenty first century, And it was 570 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: kind of like a non cannon reimagining to modernize it, 571 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: but people liked it so much, and DC liked it 572 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: so much that it basically ended up replacing the Man 573 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: Steel Origin that had come out, you know, twenty years 574 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: before this. This was in two thousand and three. And 575 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: something that's really interesting is that Mark Wade was basically 576 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: inspired by the Donna movies to make this really simple. 577 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: This is a Superman who is not infallible, he has 578 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: problems with his boss, he's losing his dry cleaning. Like, 579 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: it's very much this real life what would it be 580 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: like to be Clark Kent? And that is very much 581 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: what James gunn has said he wants to do. His 582 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: Superman is not unbeatable, his Superman bleeds, his Superman relies 583 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: on other people. So I think this is another really 584 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: great reimagining, and you end up in a situation where 585 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: you get to meet Lois and Clark in the modern day, 586 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: which is another thing that I think we're gonna be 587 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: dealing with in the superhero movies nowadays. In Superman, everyone's 588 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: gonna have a mobile phone, everyone's gonna know about everything 589 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: Superman does. There's gonna be Superman bloggers, Superman influencers, people 590 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: who just only track where Superman flies. So I think 591 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: the notion of reimagining it. And even though this book 592 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: came out twenty two years ago, so in its own 593 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 1: way as dated, this is a really easy, chill way 594 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:26,359 Speaker 1: to put in your kind of lot with like an 595 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: modernized Superman retelling that you don't have to know a 596 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: lot of law. You can understand who Clark is, who Lexes, 597 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,320 Speaker 1: who Lois is. And Yeah, it's just I was surprised 598 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: when he pulled this one because, like, to me, it's 599 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,879 Speaker 1: not up there with like in the Conversation with All 600 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: Star Superman and Superman Full Seasons. But I love that 601 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: the influences are essentially. 602 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 2: He's basically signing to us. 603 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: Hey, it's gonna be an origin story. 604 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm basically sing like I'm deep in these 605 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 2: deep in the boxes. 606 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. He's like, Hey, guess what, guys, you might 607 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: see me at your local comic shop. I'm going to 608 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: tell you something that I think is very interesting that 609 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,919 Speaker 1: we've kind of started to hear James Gunn express now, 610 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,280 Speaker 1: which is the notion that what he wants to bring 611 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,320 Speaker 1: to this movie is the feeling of when he was 612 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: three or four years old being a kid opening a 613 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,760 Speaker 1: comic book, and his version of that was not seeing 614 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,919 Speaker 1: Superman on the street by himself as a little kid 615 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: being like where is where are my parents? Like I'm 616 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: in the ship. He's like, no, what he saw is 617 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: he saw Superman with fifty superhero friends, Superman with crazy 618 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: powers where he can make himself tiny and make miniature 619 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 1: versions of himself like in the Golden Age. And he 620 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: wants to have that experience of like you just throwing 621 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 1: you into the comics. So I think as well, a 622 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: fun homework exercise if you guys want to do it 623 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,879 Speaker 1: is go into your local comic shop and just buy 624 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: a dollar bin issue of Superman. Whatever comic looks cool, 625 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,839 Speaker 1: whatever cover looks cool, whatever art you like, whatever hilarious 626 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 1: kind of Shenanigans. There is a very famous and fun 627 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 1: collection online that you can look up called super Dickery, 628 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: and it's basically about all the time Superman sucked on 629 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: the cover of Like and he's like kid lowest to 630 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: the front of the train. He's beating up Jimmy Elson. 631 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,839 Speaker 1: There's a lot of funny stuff like that. You can 632 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 1: still grab one of those from your dollar bins or 633 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: your five dollar bins. Maybe get a twenty five cent 634 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: Superman comic that came out a couple of years ago. 635 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: But just read the comic and see if you can 636 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: just throw yourself into this world where Superman exists, all 637 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 1: the characters exist, and you can kind of lose yourself 638 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 1: in that comic book world. Because I think that is 639 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: what Gun is saying, Like, that's the experience he wants 640 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: to bring to people, even though he's taking from these 641 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: more modernized origins. You are going to be in a 642 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 1: world where there are twenty characters. There are so many 643 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: superheroes we haven't even talked about Guy God and a 644 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: whole girl missed a terrific I mean, that's crazy. 645 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,399 Speaker 2: This is the perfect throw. Let's take a quick break 646 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 2: and we'll be right Back with super producer Joel's interview 647 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 2: with James gunn. 648 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 3: Hey, James, I loved this movie. I had such a 649 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 3: good time in the theater. I brought my brother, who's 650 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 3: my best friend and my creative partner. 651 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,240 Speaker 4: Oh my god, and we were tripping over. 652 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 3: This line in the movie that was the first kind 653 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 3: of a throwaway and then we're like, is this the 654 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,399 Speaker 3: point of the film, And it's the fight between Lewis 655 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 3: and Clark Water where she's like, I'm punk rock and 656 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 3: you like everybody and he's like, maybe that makes me 657 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 3: punk rock, And that's we were going back to your 658 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 3: film ograph. You're like, wow, obviously you're a musician and 659 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 3: you've been in that sea for a while, but like 660 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 3: it seems like the ethos of punk is infused. 661 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 2: In all of your films. 662 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 3: Yes, I want to talk to you a little bit 663 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 3: about like what that is for you, Like, what does 664 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 3: punk mean to you? 665 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 4: You got it? I mean for me punk rocket, you know. 666 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 5: And the way I think that that Superman sees it 667 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 5: is going against the grain, and that's that's probably my 668 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 5: favorite moment. 669 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,359 Speaker 4: In the movie, really, you know, along with the very ending. 670 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 5: But I think that, uh yeah, I think that we 671 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 5: live in an age in which everything is so mean 672 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,839 Speaker 5: and so ugly and everybody screaming at each other all 673 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 5: the time, and that right now, the most punk rock 674 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 5: thing you can do is be kind, be raw, be open, 675 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,399 Speaker 5: look out for the person that needs looking out for, 676 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 5: be unapologetically earnest. I think those are the things that 677 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,399 Speaker 5: are the most rebellious that you can do. 678 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 3: Today, and it may be strange for people outside of 679 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 3: those communities. I wasn't a punky grown but I was 680 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 3: a raver kid, and I think we have a lot 681 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 3: of intersecting absolutely, like philosophy. 682 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 5: All outsiders, really, I mean I think it's like yeah, 683 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 5: for sure, for sure, for sure, and. 684 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,479 Speaker 3: I think it was it was mind blinks. I always 685 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 3: think of Superman. You know, I'm very much on the 686 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,359 Speaker 3: side like the Superman's a square is such a goody, 687 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 3: good evil voy scout, you know, so so to infuse 688 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 3: like this, you know, real like historic essence of Superman 689 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,720 Speaker 3: with a punk rock like yeah, I won't say manthesto 690 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 3: might be too broad, but like energy, I was. 691 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 2: Totally blown away. 692 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 3: And I know you said you had some difficulty when 693 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 3: you're writing the script trying to get to the point 694 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 3: is that sort of the thing that busted open for you? 695 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 5: No, it wasn't. I think that, you know. But I mean, 696 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 5: I think what you're saying about him being a square 697 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 5: in a goodie goodie is what's punk rock about it. 698 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 5: He is those things. He is Pollyanna, he is old fashioned, 699 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 5: and don't aren't we a little thirsty for people like that? 700 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 5: Then it seemed like there used to be people like that. 701 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 5: There aren't anymore. They're gone totally. They've all become mean. 702 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 5: So it's like, I think that that's that's it. But 703 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 5: I think that, No. I mean, the dog is what 704 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 5: broke it open for me. You know, I think that 705 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,880 Speaker 5: the emotion is I really start with sort of the 706 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 5: Oftentimes it's visual, or oftentimes it's a story point. It 707 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 5: was also the idea of him with blood in his 708 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,879 Speaker 5: mouth and seeing Superman in a space that we haven't 709 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 5: seen him before. And oftentimes I just follow the story, 710 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 5: you know, like when I'm when I'm figuring things out 711 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,439 Speaker 5: and it leads me to places I didn't expect to go, 712 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 5: And that stuff is one of them. That that emotional 713 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 5: aspect of of of who he is and what he represents, 714 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 5: I think is in how I can. 715 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 4: Relate to Superman. 716 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 2: Is that I love that? 717 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 3: You know, It's been funny as I've been going through 718 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 3: all of the cast members in this junket, the thing 719 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 3: everyone keeps coming back with, like, so I didn't test 720 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,839 Speaker 3: for that long. It was super fast and I didn't 721 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 3: know what was happening at all. And I wanted to 722 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 3: talk to you a little bit about like chemistry tests and 723 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 3: like when were you seeing David And you were like, yeah, 724 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 3: that's he's like I read. I think that he just 725 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 3: read once, like it was a really fast experience. 726 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 4: No, he read. 727 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 5: He read quite a few times because we did because 728 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 5: he he read. So there were three Loises and three 729 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 5: Superman and he read with two of them. 730 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:54,239 Speaker 3: Got it. 731 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 4: Two lois'es. 732 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 5: Uh And then I believe, Yeah, I believe Nick read 733 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,359 Speaker 5: with two of them. 734 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 4: And then the other guy read with all three of them. Wow, 735 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 4: And he was great too. They were all such good actors. 736 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,479 Speaker 4: All six of them were so good. 737 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,279 Speaker 5: It was so sad that you know, it's so sad 738 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 5: because you see these actors who are you just. 739 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:20,839 Speaker 4: Love and want to work with them. 740 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,799 Speaker 5: There was a Lois one always She's so fantastic, and 741 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 5: I wanted to work with her. It's just Rachel just 742 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 5: seemed to fit my conception a little bit more. And 743 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 5: also the other interesting thing is the chemistry thing is real. 744 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,280 Speaker 5: So we you know, we mixed and matched the Loises 745 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 5: and the Clarks, and Rachel read with David and there 746 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 5: was like this really dynamite chemistry. And then Rachel read 747 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,319 Speaker 5: with Nick and they were both so good, but I 748 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 5: didn't quite feel that same chemistry. But then Nick read 749 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 5: with one of the other Loises and the chemistry was dynamite. 750 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 5: And in some ways, it's almost like Rachel and David 751 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 5: are very opposite personalities in real life, and that adds 752 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 5: like this this magnetism. 753 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 4: They're like magnets totally, and that was true about you know, 754 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 4: I think Nick and the other actor. So it's it's fascinating. 755 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 5: We needed it to cast Clark, Lois and Klois. 756 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 4: I love it. 757 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,680 Speaker 3: I have one more question left. Uh, So this is 758 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 3: like I find interesting, and maybe this is kind of 759 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,759 Speaker 3: a weird question. So many members of your cast are like, 760 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 3: oh no, I'm not watching this movie until the premiere, 761 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:34,839 Speaker 3: like I want to see and I feel like that's 762 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 3: so strange. Either actors like I don't want to see 763 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 3: it at all, don't show me, or they're like, you 764 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,040 Speaker 3: know what it looks like before we get into like 765 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 3: pressing everything. So my mind is around it, like it 766 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 3: seems like you've created such a lovely set and that 767 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,800 Speaker 3: people are so excited about the artists, Like as a director, 768 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 3: for you, you know, what is it like to sort 769 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 3: of know they're both excited to be a part of 770 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 3: this film and to watch it. 771 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,719 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's great. I mean it was great 772 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,240 Speaker 5: the whole time we made this movie. It was such 773 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,480 Speaker 5: a fun movie to shoot. I think it was always 774 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 5: you know, hard work, but I think the difficulty was 775 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 5: in the editing of it, seeing exactly how it fit together, 776 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,880 Speaker 5: but in terms of the cast and the camaraderie they have. 777 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 5: And I'll be honest with you, I haven't seen the 778 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 5: final cut in the theater, so I've okayed it, you know, 779 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,960 Speaker 5: So I've seen so I've seen like but you know 780 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 5: we had and now that's not true. The final cut 781 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,920 Speaker 5: I've seen in the theater many times, but there's some 782 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 5: visual effects shots we put in at the last minute, 783 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 5: and so I've never seen the one hundred percent finished 784 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,800 Speaker 5: version that you saw in the theater. So I'm also 785 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 5: not going to see the movie until the premiere. 786 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 3: Well, I loved it. Your cast is amazing, and maybe 787 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 3: next time get some stories about wrestling in Georgia because 788 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,479 Speaker 3: I've heard some amazing things. 789 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. They love there making George wrestling. Yes, 790 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 4: thank you so much. That was great. That was great, 791 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 4: Thank you. I appreciate it. 792 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 2: On the next episode of X ray Vision, we're gathering 793 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,799 Speaker 2: the engine board of directors for a roundtable review of 794 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,440 Speaker 2: Jurassic World Rebirth. That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening. 795 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:10,880 Speaker 1: Bye. 796 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,240 Speaker 2: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion and Rosie 797 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 2: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. 798 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,320 Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman. 799 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,560 Speaker 2: Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar. 800 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,919 Speaker 1: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Fay Wag. 801 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,799 Speaker 2: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme 802 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kaufman. 803 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 1: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and 804 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,520 Speaker 1: Heidi Our discored moderator.