Speaker 1: I hope Chris Pratt. I both hope Chris Pratt doesn't
Speaker 1: do an Italian accent in the Mario Brothers movie and
Speaker 1: I don't, and I don't hope he does. And I
Speaker 1: do hope that he I hope that he does, and
Speaker 1: I hope that he doesn't. You both want him to
Speaker 1: and not. He should if he's playing Mario. But if
Speaker 1: he does, I feel like it's gonna be bad. He's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, So I don't know. Look whatever,
Speaker 1: you know what, it's going to come out. People are
Speaker 1: gonna see it. It's either gonna be good or it's
Speaker 1: gonna be bad. And I'm going to say one of
Speaker 1: those two things about it and life will go on.
Speaker 1: It'd be pretty funny if it came out and you
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, I don't feel one way or the
Speaker 1: other about it. This has landed on its side weirdly.
Speaker 1: I can't say if it's good or bad. I am
Speaker 1: in limbo on the Super Mario Brothers movie. Sometimes that happens.
Speaker 1: I'm not in limbo. If we've discussed it before, on
Speaker 1: the original Super Mario Brothers movie, it's excellent. I think
Speaker 1: we have I feel like that I've already gotten the
Speaker 1: hate mail about this, but it's just, you know, it
Speaker 1: was ahead of its time. But yes, I thought it
Speaker 1: was pretty fun. I remember we watched it during Quarantine
Speaker 1: right right locked in and uh yeah, you were like,
Speaker 1: this is a bad movie, but what the fun else
Speaker 1: are we doing? And we had to find it on
Speaker 1: YouTube in ten minute increments, so weird. But I think
Speaker 1: it's like actually streaming somewhere now. I don't know that
Speaker 1: it is, but you can buy the DVD on Amazon.
Speaker 1: I mean I was fully ready to hate it, like
Speaker 1: we kept putting on the YouTube, next video whatever, be
Speaker 1: like this actually like pretty fun. Its good. It's just creative,
Speaker 1: and I respect that. I think so, especially after many
Speaker 1: years of what I'll call a dearth of creativity. Yes,
Speaker 1: extremely true. And speaking as a Marvel fan too, I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people chalk it up to Marvel movies.
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of creativity. I like Marvel movies,
Speaker 1: and I still also feel there is a creativity. I
Speaker 1: love the whole Marvel cinematic universe. And I also feel
Speaker 1: like everybody else is clinging a little too hard to
Speaker 1: trying to do the same thing or something similar, and
Speaker 1: they're doing it at best worse than that Marvel's doing it. Anyway,
Speaker 1: We've never open to show with a conversation that related
Speaker 1: less to the subject that we're talking about today. Then
Speaker 1: I just did. At least we had James Bond in
Speaker 1: part one and we got England thing. This is just
Speaker 1: fully American conversation. We do talk about Italy later, Hey
Speaker 1: we do. And there's a couple of Americans in this story.
Speaker 1: But yeah, at least plancing referee just to that right,
Speaker 1: and some of these people have a dearth of quality. True,
Speaker 1: so maybe we can relate it. Yeah, that's close any bridge.
Speaker 1: But you know what's going to get us there, gonna
Speaker 1: cross it. You know, we're gonna do the episode. It's
Speaker 1: either gonna be good or it's gonna be bad. I
Speaker 1: will say one of those things, will say one of
Speaker 1: those things at the end of the year. No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're here today to get to the second part of
Speaker 1: the Worse Lays story. Are Lady Seymour, Richard georget Ah.
Speaker 1: These three love having you. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: tuning in for part two. Yes, yes, I hope you
Speaker 1: enjoyed part one. If you haven't heard part one, what
Speaker 1: the hell are you doing here, go back and listen,
Speaker 1: should probably start there. Could be very confused. I think
Speaker 1: that it's important. I'd be like watching the new Chris
Speaker 1: Pratt Super Mario Brothers movie without seeing the original version.
Speaker 1: I assume it's a direct that's not true. Alright, So,
Speaker 1: but last time we talked about Sir Richard and Lady
Speaker 1: Seymour Worsley's troubled marriage, his kicking tendencies and handalism kicking
Speaker 1: of course just speaking he was he was a lawyer, yeah,
Speaker 1: but candleism is about showing off your partner to other
Speaker 1: people for your own sexual pleasure. Um. And also the
Speaker 1: explosive criminal conversation trial that he brought against Seymour's lover,
Speaker 1: George Bissett that ended up with Richard being awarded only
Speaker 1: a single chilling damages. Very condescending decision. But Seymour's reputation
Speaker 1: as a respectable lady was in a trash. So let's
Speaker 1: find out what happened next. We got to find out
Speaker 1: the fallout of the revelations from the trial, and Richard's
Speaker 1: got a new direction in life and Seymour's got new
Speaker 1: friends and lovers. Will even make it to the reign
Speaker 1: of terror? And friends. Such a good die, so much
Speaker 1: more to cover. Let's check it out, Let's do it
Speaker 1: pay their French Come listen, Well, Elia and Diana got
Speaker 1: some stories to tell. There's no matchmaking, a romantic tips,
Speaker 1: It's just about ridiculous relationships, a lover, it might be
Speaker 1: any type of person at all, and abstract cons a
Speaker 1: d a concrete wall. But if there's a story, were
Speaker 1: the Second Glance Show Ridiculous role vance a production of
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. So the Worsley's high profile crim con
Speaker 1: trial was the meatiest meet that any pamphleteer or paper
Speaker 1: writer journalists could ever wish for. So all the satirists
Speaker 1: and wits and lampoonists took this incident straight to the bank.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is my paying my rent for the year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks Dick Tardy, Thanks Dick Tardy. Now, Sir Richard, as
Speaker 1: we said the man of a million nicknames at school,
Speaker 1: he was Dick Tardy. As Privy counselor to the King,
Speaker 1: he was finical whimsy. But now he was being dubbed
Speaker 1: the twelve penny cuckle out and cartoons appeared showing him
Speaker 1: supporting George on his shoulders to peer through a bathhouse
Speaker 1: window at Seymour, and usually there would be like a
Speaker 1: drooping sword depicted at crotch level, so that you only
Speaker 1: got the message it his dick don't work. Party to
Speaker 1: this party. One of these cartoons was captioned Sir Richard
Speaker 1: worse than Sly exposing his wife's bottom. Oh, fie, worse
Speaker 1: than Sly is good too, Yeah, cutting words. He was
Speaker 1: like a brilliant satirist to the quick. We don't need
Speaker 1: that in poetry corner, so I forget it was too short. Uh.
Speaker 1: Sir Richard was often displayed with the horns of a
Speaker 1: cuckold as well, which I didn't really understand. That turns
Speaker 1: out it's a reference to the mating habits of stags.
Speaker 1: A male stag will forfeit its mate if it's defeated
Speaker 1: by another male stag. That's why it's the horns of
Speaker 1: a cuckold. Okay, I guess, Okay, you're just you're the
Speaker 1: weak stag in this. Yeah, you had to give up
Speaker 1: your the rights to your lady. Yeah, I guess to
Speaker 1: another man. Tailor's oldest time I had, I had, I
Speaker 1: had to horn but a guy in the grocery store
Speaker 1: the other day, Why because he was trying to He
Speaker 1: was trying to take you me. Yeah, if he had that,
Speaker 1: if he had horned me too hard, I would have
Speaker 1: you would be in a different house right now. I'd
Speaker 1: be like, guys, are you host the show the Laws
Speaker 1: of Nature? You can't deny him? How how perfectly ironic
Speaker 1: if he had joined me for this episode, he never
Speaker 1: would have fit in the booth with them horns though,
Speaker 1: I tell you, I like we actually brought Eli in
Speaker 1: as a third so he could really speak from the
Speaker 1: couples experience. No, I just have to sit in the
Speaker 1: corner and watch you guys recording an episode together. I
Speaker 1: hope you like it over there good, just sadly crying
Speaker 1: and masturbating. Wow, isn't that the dream? I don't understand it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I guess you don't have
Speaker 1: to cry, but maybe it adds to it. Cooks out there.
Speaker 1: Send us an email, let us know how it goes
Speaker 1: for you. God. Also, a pamphlet with all of the
Speaker 1: juicy details from the trial was published. It was sold
Speaker 1: for the ironic price of one shilling and I mean
Speaker 1: perfect nod, and it was so incredibly popular that it
Speaker 1: had to be reprinted eight Times. George Washington even ordered
Speaker 1: a copy in odd that's hilarious, George, just like yeah,
Speaker 1: just like, see what those Brits are up to. Now, Boy,
Speaker 1: we got out at the right time. Send me along
Speaker 1: with your finest hair powder. Good account of what the
Speaker 1: hell's going on over there now. Once this bath house
Speaker 1: incident got out of Richard hoisting up George to watch
Speaker 1: lady Seymour get dressed, more stories were reported to. At
Speaker 1: some point, Worsley apparently initiated a wife swap with a
Speaker 1: friend in seventeen seventies six, worsely through a hunting party
Speaker 1: and brought his guests to a glass door where they
Speaker 1: could watch ladies Seymour undressed. And it's unclear if she
Speaker 1: knew this was happening or not. Um a bit different
Speaker 1: from the bath house incident when a Seymour knew that
Speaker 1: George was watching and be she was getting dressed, not undressed,
Speaker 1: very true, and it was already a lover of her
Speaker 1: like her naked, Like there's at least some implied consent.
Speaker 1: But like if you're just like, hey, boys, come along
Speaker 1: watch my wife. What an entertainment I've got for you today?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say speculation station. I hate to give credit
Speaker 1: to Richard for anything, but uh, I feel like unless
Speaker 1: his timing was like so perfect that he knew exactly
Speaker 1: when she was going to be getting dressed undressed, that
Speaker 1: they probably must have arranged this. I mean, it's hard
Speaker 1: hard to say, because they had their lives pretty well
Speaker 1: I guess that's true, structured around when to what to
Speaker 1: wear when, so you would have certain times where everyone
Speaker 1: went up to dress for dinner or something, so you
Speaker 1: would know at least at some point in this next
Speaker 1: half hour, she's going to be naked, I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: And it took so long for them to get undressed.
Speaker 1: He's like, we've got between one and three pm to
Speaker 1: get a window. We've got time for a quick sherry
Speaker 1: before I show you my wife. Do you think they're
Speaker 1: all sitting there watching her get undressed and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's starting the corset. There's one loop, there's two loops,
Speaker 1: there's three loops, and like fifteen minutes later, they're like
Speaker 1: sixteen loops seventy. I tell you, old boy, the anticipations
Speaker 1: killing me. It's really killed old Badgerom over there, he's
Speaker 1: sound asleep. We'll shake him. At the finale, we're about
Speaker 1: to see a Bristol boy. Wake up, good looking out
Speaker 1: old friend, wake me up for the boobs. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people approached the theater that way. I
Speaker 1: don't care about the story. I mean, there's not HBO's
Speaker 1: whole model. Now another time, Sir Richard bet old Lord Chumley,
Speaker 1: who at this point was already having an affair with Seymour.
Speaker 1: If you remember the electric Eel poem from the last
Speaker 1: episode about Lord Chumley's big swing and one alone um,
Speaker 1: Sir Richard bet Lord Chumley that Seymour was quote the
Speaker 1: finest proportioned woman in Europe, and he invited Lord Chumley
Speaker 1: to spy on her to prove it. Seymour knew that
Speaker 1: he was coming, and she had been instructed to undress
Speaker 1: and also wash and then dress herself slowly while Richard
Speaker 1: and this guy you know watched her from behind a
Speaker 1: sham door disguised as a bookcase. They did watch her
Speaker 1: get dressed, and Lord Chumley was able to see her
Speaker 1: from pretty much every angle. And Sir Richard won that bet.
Speaker 1: He had to pay up. Hell, you're right, Richard, she
Speaker 1: is the finest proportioned woman in Europe. I've seen them all.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard about my enormous dick,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean she knew about that one. She
Speaker 1: knew about so I'm like, but I also wonder if
Speaker 1: she didn't like that very much like she did she
Speaker 1: was like, please get me the hell away from this guy.
Speaker 1: So you know, if she if she was like, all,
Speaker 1: entertain your weird thing, I don't think she loved it.
Speaker 1: It's himself. Yeah, it's an arrow where just because a
Speaker 1: woman quote unquote agreed to do what her husband had
Speaker 1: said doesn't mean she wanted to do it exactly very well.
Speaker 1: He might have won that bet, but Richard wasn't feeling
Speaker 1: like a winner these days. He's a laughing stock in
Speaker 1: the press. I mean, all these drooping swords, horns and everything.
Speaker 1: He's like, everyone's laughing at me. But on top of that,
Speaker 1: his career was on really shaky ground. The same day
Speaker 1: that Seymour and George found out that Sir Richard was
Speaker 1: going to pursue a crim con suit against George and
Speaker 1: sue Seymour for separation was the same day that England
Speaker 1: learned that General Cornwallace had surrendered to George Washington at Yorktown. Now,
Speaker 1: Richard had worked really hard to become important to the
Speaker 1: Tory Party and the Prime Minister, Lord North, but now
Speaker 1: the expense of an unpopular war with the colonies looked unwinnable. Now.
Speaker 1: North had tried to resign after the Yorktown defeat, but
Speaker 1: King George refused to accept it. So then the Whig
Speaker 1: Party put forward a vote of no confidence to try
Speaker 1: to force him out, and North really needed all his
Speaker 1: party members to show their support. But Richard didn't show
Speaker 1: up for the vote, and so North slide, where's my boy, Richard?
Speaker 1: And whoever he asked it was the unfortunate soul who
Speaker 1: had to remind him, like, well, the guy just kind
Speaker 1: of had a super embarrassing adultery trial. He's currently in
Speaker 1: hiding somewhere, and show his face right now. North replied, quote, Oh,
Speaker 1: if all my cuckold dessert, I shall be beaten. Indeed,
Speaker 1: I got a corn full of cuckolds here, so many
Speaker 1: Dick Toddy's and the Tory I can't even tell you
Speaker 1: who they are. It's like the Senate, like if we
Speaker 1: got rid of all the adults, have to Now North
Speaker 1: managed to cling to power even without Richard's support. He
Speaker 1: won by a single vote, though, so it was very close,
Speaker 1: but not for long. As you might have noticed. By
Speaker 1: March two, North's administration was over. Sir Richard was no
Speaker 1: longer Privy Counselor for the King, and he had also
Speaker 1: resigned his position as governor for the Isle of Wight,
Speaker 1: So all his years of work building a political career
Speaker 1: was wiped away in a matter of months. Damn, it
Speaker 1: must have been quite a blow. Yeah, he was no
Speaker 1: longer the Privy counselor for the King. It was probably
Speaker 1: the Privy washer. What I'm saying. I been waiting to
Speaker 1: make a privy joke since part one, I know, right?
Speaker 1: And how weird that the accountants called a privy counselor?
Speaker 1: Is it because the King does his books while he's
Speaker 1: taken a ship? Follow me to the privy and let's no.
Speaker 1: Sir Richard of course still furious with Seymour, and their
Speaker 1: suit for separations still going forward, but the courts had
Speaker 1: decided to award Seymour not only the pen money that
Speaker 1: she was legally entitled to, but an additional six hundred
Speaker 1: pounds in alimony every year, which is going to calculate
Speaker 1: to a hundred and twelve thousand, five hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: four pounds Today, it's like over a hundred thousand bucks US.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of money. Alimony was unusual at the time,
Speaker 1: but the courts thought that he needed to pay for
Speaker 1: his part in destroying their marriage. Richard didn't want to
Speaker 1: give Seymour a single dime, and he was still holding
Speaker 1: on to all of her clothes and her jewelry and
Speaker 1: all her personal belongings and everything. So he appealed the alimony.
Speaker 1: But you know, we spent some time with Seymour, we
Speaker 1: know what she's like. She took her revenge as well.
Speaker 1: Richard wouldn't divorce her like she wanted, simple, clean, easy piece.
Speaker 1: Let's just divorce and get the hell lot of each
Speaker 1: other's lives. But he was being a rell dicked hardy
Speaker 1: about it. So that meant that she had to keep
Speaker 1: his name. But that also meant that whatever scandalous ship
Speaker 1: she got into would reflect poorly on him. That better
Speaker 1: party really hard exactly. Seymour strutted all right back into
Speaker 1: high society with George Bassett on her arm, not a
Speaker 1: bit of repentance for her behavior, and she just started
Speaker 1: pulling all these outrageous pranks. She would get wasted in public.
Speaker 1: Oh no, what is lady Seymour doing? Ladies seymore worse,
Speaker 1: in case you forgot her husband ought to be ashamed
Speaker 1: of himself wherever he is. Uh. She would throw all
Speaker 1: these huge parties. One night she went to the theater
Speaker 1: with George and she threw this white cloak over their
Speaker 1: box and proclaimed her innocence to the world. Look at
Speaker 1: my purity. Yeah, She's like, I don't deserve all this mess.
Speaker 1: We all know the true villain is. So she just
Speaker 1: kept her in Richard's name and story alive in the papers,
Speaker 1: which was the last thing that old Richard ever wanted. Now,
Speaker 1: Seymour's reputation had been terribly damaged by this trial, just
Speaker 1: as she became estranged from her family, Most of the
Speaker 1: respectable society ladies who she would have spent her time
Speaker 1: with now refused to be associated with her in biter
Speaker 1: to their parties and receive her in their drawing rooms
Speaker 1: or any of that stuff. But there was a whole
Speaker 1: subset of high society that included ostracized women like Seymour
Speaker 1: who had tried to leave their husbands either because they
Speaker 1: were shitty, or they just weren't suited for each other,
Speaker 1: they fell in love with someone else and they were
Speaker 1: now living on the fringes of society as a result.
Speaker 1: And these women went out of their way to be
Speaker 1: friends Seymour. This is amazing to me. This sounds like
Speaker 1: like of her twist, like Oliver and Company or something
Speaker 1: where it's like, you've got this group of badass ladies,
Speaker 1: or like spend time with us, we just get drunk
Speaker 1: and fuck amazing. I would I would opt to join
Speaker 1: these ladies over the right now. One of her closest
Speaker 1: new friends was Lady Henrietta Grosvenor, whose husband had actually
Speaker 1: caught her in bed with the brother of the king.
Speaker 1: It was the Duke of Cumberland, and he brought a
Speaker 1: crim con suit against the Duke, the brother of the king.
Speaker 1: I was like, guy's got a ballsy and my opinion,
Speaker 1: but he brought a suit and he won ten tho pounds.
Speaker 1: But Henrietta, much like Seymour, was not going to let
Speaker 1: her husband walk around like he had this injured saint
Speaker 1: act or some show. She took herself to every brothel
Speaker 1: she could think of to collect witnesses and evidence to
Speaker 1: her husband's many infidelities to share with the court, and
Speaker 1: it prevented him from getting an annulment of their marriage,
Speaker 1: so he had to continue paying her a yearly allowance
Speaker 1: to support herself. Did Henrietta Now? Another one of Seymour's
Speaker 1: new circle of friends was Caroline Stanhope, and she was
Speaker 1: the second Countess of Harrington, which is not to be
Speaker 1: confused with Seymour's perfect sister Jane, who was also the
Speaker 1: Countess of Harrington. Lady confusing, right, right, Caroline Stanhope was
Speaker 1: actually Jane's mother in law, so she would have been
Speaker 1: the mother of the man that Jane married, who she
Speaker 1: almost didn't get to marry because of Lady Seymour's antics
Speaker 1: in part one. That's right when she threw those breaches
Speaker 1: out the windows Grade Hall. He was like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: your family is a bit wild. Wow, Well they had
Speaker 1: a wild one your mother. That was probably the exact
Speaker 1: conversation was just like, Jane, I'd really like to talk
Speaker 1: to you about your sister Seymour. She is kind of
Speaker 1: a little much and she's like, I'm so sorry. Is
Speaker 1: this your mom? Caroline Stanhope right, like you so read,
Speaker 1: I'm about to leave for real, because, like Caroline stand
Speaker 1: Hope was notorious, but she was still widely accepted in
Speaker 1: society because she was the daughter of a duke and
Speaker 1: her husband was an earl, and they were still married.
Speaker 1: In fact, they had seven children together, so they were
Speaker 1: getting it on unlike Richard. And but she was also
Speaker 1: someone who like thumbed her nose at convention and lived
Speaker 1: out loud. According to Hallie Reuben Holtz biography, the Lady
Speaker 1: in read Caroline Stanhope used her home as an unofficial
Speaker 1: gaming house quote even on Sundays, outrageous, and she was
Speaker 1: known to make introductions between aristocrats and genteel prostitutes. And
Speaker 1: of course she took lovers of her own. She was
Speaker 1: in fact bisexual, and she even suffered from serious depression
Speaker 1: when one of her lover, Elizabeth Ashe, ran off with
Speaker 1: some diplomat. In society pages, she was portrayed as an
Speaker 1: insatiable nymphamaniac. She was called the stable Yard Messalina, and
Speaker 1: a publication called Town and Country wrote that she had
Speaker 1: so many lovers quote from a monarch down to a
Speaker 1: hairdresser and every member of the diplomatic body, that their
Speaker 1: names alone would fill an entire page. Rumor had it
Speaker 1: that she even slept with her servants. Now that's real low,
Speaker 1: I mean in there right, right. But of course, oh,
Speaker 1: we know from the last episode that Seymour was rumored
Speaker 1: to have anywhere from eleven to sixty lovers of her own,
Speaker 1: and she maybe had like five in actuality, so you
Speaker 1: can take it with a grain of salt. These rumors
Speaker 1: were definitely highly exaggerated. Again, what did these people have
Speaker 1: to talk about exactly? And I think so bored. I
Speaker 1: think Caroline too kind of liked it. So she was
Speaker 1: just like it whatever you want. So she's like, I
Speaker 1: don't care, because again, if you had enough money and
Speaker 1: you were titled enough, nobody could really touch you. So
Speaker 1: it was like, say what you want to say, give
Speaker 1: a right. And she's part of this band of sex thieves,
Speaker 1: like they probably say, made them thieves. I'm still in
Speaker 1: the Oliver Twist world where they're just like living underground
Speaker 1: in the sewers and playing dice and going out and
Speaker 1: getting laid whenever they want. That's probably not at all.
Speaker 1: You're great, you're close not sewers, but otherwise otherwise kind
Speaker 1: of right, No, now, Caroline stan Hope was so wild
Speaker 1: that she had been blackballed by what was known as
Speaker 1: the Female Coterie. And this was a collection of like
Speaker 1: highly Bourne, extremely respectable society ladies who would meet at
Speaker 1: the All Max Club to eat and drink and gossip
Speaker 1: and play cards together, you know, just regular club stuff.
Speaker 1: Sure you did, but Caroline was cut out from the
Speaker 1: very beginning. They were just like, no, we can say
Speaker 1: that you are not one of us. But she did
Speaker 1: not care. She said, keep your shitty as club, and
Speaker 1: she started her own club. It was known as the
Speaker 1: New Female Coterie. Oh that's such as a right. I'm
Speaker 1: going to straight up take the name of your club.
Speaker 1: And it's also it's newer and therefore younger. You're looking
Speaker 1: drab by the way, lady Jersey. Um. It comprised Caroline's
Speaker 1: notorious friends, women like Henrietta and Seymour, and instead of
Speaker 1: meeting at a respectable locale like All Max, Caroline assembled
Speaker 1: all her friends at a fancy brothel run by a
Speaker 1: woman named Mrs Sarah Prendergast. Now this wasn't just Caroline's
Speaker 1: preferred location, it was also her husband's favorite brothel. This
Speaker 1: guy was known to be quote as lecherous as a monkey.
Speaker 1: The lords and ladies of his class called him the
Speaker 1: Goat of quality, and the prostitutes he visited called him
Speaker 1: Lord Fumble. Whoops. He always dropping ship right are? He
Speaker 1: just couldn't quiet together. You can't catch the ball, if
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. The goat of quality, I
Speaker 1: like goat, like greatest of all time, Like a goat,
Speaker 1: a goat that eats trash. Now, apparently he visited this
Speaker 1: brothel like clockwork, four days a week, and he always
Speaker 1: asked for two girls. Every time. You know I'm not
Speaker 1: going to do well, I always dropped the first one,
Speaker 1: send me to ruben Holt writes that between his regular
Speaker 1: visits and Caroline paying a retainer to use the rooms
Speaker 1: for her new female Cotree meetings, the couple quote almost
Speaker 1: single handedly supported Mrs Prinder Gas Enterprise, our highest patron,
Speaker 1: the Harrington's. Harrington's most titled women never set foot inside
Speaker 1: a brothel. They wouldn't know where to find one. What
Speaker 1: it was. You know, you're supposed to be real sheltered
Speaker 1: from that sort of thing. They're like, what is this
Speaker 1: paris exactly? But these ladies met there all the time
Speaker 1: to eat drink, gossip, and play cards, just like they're
Speaker 1: more respectable counterparts there. Yeah, because they're like, oh, where
Speaker 1: will the female coterie never bother us? True? As Mike
Speaker 1: Rindell writes on Dirty Hit Sexy history dot Com, sometimes
Speaker 1: these ladies would also earn a little money by taking
Speaker 1: their pick of the gentlemanly visitors to the brothel while
Speaker 1: they were there meeting up and hanging out. So you
Speaker 1: can kind of imagine like a tipsy lady watch some
Speaker 1: like hot guy walk in and she goes, hold my champagne, Carol,
Speaker 1: I've got an itch to scratch. So they would literally
Speaker 1: they're just there to hang out, but every once in
Speaker 1: a while they'd be like, yeah, I'll take one too,
Speaker 1: I guess, or like the guy maybe would like flip
Speaker 1: come up to her, let's go upstairs. Kind of nice
Speaker 1: because they could they could kind of have their pick
Speaker 1: because they can easily say like, oh, we don't work here,
Speaker 1: we're not prostitutes. Um. But then if they're you know,
Speaker 1: the the seventeen hundreds, Hugh Jackman walks in and she's like, oh, yes, no, actually,
Speaker 1: my schedule is clear today. You can have me as
Speaker 1: long as you like me. So Seymour had joined the
Speaker 1: world of the demi monde or the half world, which
Speaker 1: is a fashionable circle of courtesan's actresses and divorced or
Speaker 1: separated wives. Sounds hot, sounds like the best group of
Speaker 1: people to hang out with. Uh And this was a
Speaker 1: true comfort for Seymour because it was hard not to
Speaker 1: have a circle of female friends in this very gendered society.
Speaker 1: But her male friends they didn't change at all. She
Speaker 1: was still hanging out with the Prince of Wales and
Speaker 1: his circle of expense, some dashing friends, and compared to Richard,
Speaker 1: she was actually doing socially really great. While Richard was
Speaker 1: still the star of a bunch of humiliating cartoons, she
Speaker 1: was hanging out with literal royalty. She even started wearing
Speaker 1: men's breeches, boots and spurs to ride horses like super
Speaker 1: Fast through the park, which was this big spectacle drew
Speaker 1: lots of attention. I mean, first of all, she's wearing
Speaker 1: pants men's books. Yeah, they're they're like, there's a woman
Speaker 1: riding a horse in the park. That's that's sort of interesting.
Speaker 1: And she's wearing pants that I've got a seat, my
Speaker 1: smelling salts. Someone burned feathers. The housekeeper has painted burning feathers.
Speaker 1: Is that what they did? Yeah, it's got to be
Speaker 1: those regency books. Yeah, I mean is it the Is
Speaker 1: that supposed to smell and wake you up? I suppose
Speaker 1: it would. Yeah, you didn't have any smelling salts. You
Speaker 1: could just burn feathers. Oh, I've never burned a feather.
Speaker 1: I imagine it smells like burning hair. Smells pretty bad,
Speaker 1: or at least it burns slowly, might be the main thing,
Speaker 1: and you can like waft it in front of their
Speaker 1: fields or something. I don't never burned a feather. Feather
Speaker 1: burners of the world, she doesn't email let us know
Speaker 1: what it smells like. You have a funny idea of
Speaker 1: all the people listen to the show. There's a whole
Speaker 1: group of people feather burners. Reach out. I assume some
Speaker 1: of our biggest audiences, the cooks and the feather burners
Speaker 1: out there. Let's listen to this show. Tag yourself. So
Speaker 1: she's whipping down through the park real fast on horses,
Speaker 1: all the time, drawn all this attention. The Prince of
Speaker 1: Whales wanted to hold a race just so he could
Speaker 1: see her ass and tight pants basically, but Seymour decided
Speaker 1: not to do at the last minute, but she did
Speaker 1: show up to raise a two wheeled phaeton. She's just like,
Speaker 1: I'll do a chariot race. How's that sound? Yeah, there
Speaker 1: you go effect. I was thinking maybe you could get better.
Speaker 1: It was a closed carriage, right, hard to say. I
Speaker 1: don't know what a two wheeled phaeton. Two wheeled phaeton
Speaker 1: riders in the world. Set us picks um, Yes, which
Speaker 1: is a carriage not not? I don't know what you
Speaker 1: think your faeton is. Be careful about its pictures to
Speaker 1: send us sensitive material picture of my phaeton. So she
Speaker 1: shows up in this two wheeled phaeton to do this
Speaker 1: race anyway, and Reuben Hold writes that quote even among
Speaker 1: her set, these tricks were exceptional feats of audacity. But
Speaker 1: this time it wasn't just about Richard. At the time,
Speaker 1: I was considered inadvisable for women to ride too hard
Speaker 1: and fast on a horse because masculine competition and all
Speaker 1: the physical motion was bad for the womb and could
Speaker 1: result in hysteria or masculinization of the woman, or infantility
Speaker 1: or miscarriage. Seems legitmen Hold rights that quote her sudden
Speaker 1: passion for dangerous gallops was perfectly explicable because she was
Speaker 1: actually pregnant at the time with her and Georgia's second child.
Speaker 1: And you know, but this delicately she was trying not
Speaker 1: to be pregnant anymore. Yeah, but it didn't work. The
Speaker 1: baby hung in there. So as she grew more obviously pregnant,
Speaker 1: she naturally withdrew from the public eye. But at some
Speaker 1: point a letter from her to Richard addressed to Richard,
Speaker 1: appeared in print and people were like salivating for her
Speaker 1: side of the story. So she knew this was gonna
Speaker 1: like really get some attention. She hired a ghostwriter for it,
Speaker 1: so she did not write it herself. Now, this was
Speaker 1: a sixteen page long diet tribe Richard and everything he'd
Speaker 1: done to her. It implied that he was actually gay again,
Speaker 1: a big, pretty fucked up thing to say at the
Speaker 1: time when it was so illegal. Um, it said that
Speaker 1: he only married her for her money. You know, it
Speaker 1: really just laid into Richard and was like, I'm the
Speaker 1: sympathetic figure. This guy sucks. And of course this, you know,
Speaker 1: just kicked up the whole spark around the story again,
Speaker 1: and the twelve penny cuckled himself was like, you know what, fine,
Speaker 1: fine Seymour, and he finally decided to give her her
Speaker 1: clothes back, which was probably what she was going for
Speaker 1: when she wrote this letter in the first place. He
Speaker 1: did keep her jewels, though, he was like, I ain't
Speaker 1: giving you all this treasure. But he also penned a
Speaker 1: response himself. He didn't hire a ghostwriter. He wrote it,
Speaker 1: and it it portrayed her as an insatiable sex maniac.
Speaker 1: He admitted that he could not keep up with her
Speaker 1: sexual needs and was kind of like, I mean, wouldn't
Speaker 1: any man in my situation and lists some friends to
Speaker 1: help out? Wow? Actually no, probably not. So this never Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's never sold well when a man goes out of
Speaker 1: the public and says, my wife wants too much sex.
Speaker 1: So I just obviously I called some other men in
Speaker 1: to have sex with her. Like it doesn't really just
Speaker 1: man would do, right, fellas, they're not all standing up
Speaker 1: to be like, oh sure, yes, I hate it when
Speaker 1: my wife wants too much sex. I always give it
Speaker 1: away to someone else. So that yeah, this didn't really
Speaker 1: make him look very good or anything. But what he
Speaker 1: was really trying to do was win his suit for
Speaker 1: separation and get this extra alimony overturned. So he was
Speaker 1: trying to appear sympathetic in the eyes of the court
Speaker 1: that she was like publicly persecuting him in the papers
Speaker 1: and doing all this stuff to make him look bad.
Speaker 1: But his initial appeal failed. All he got changed was
Speaker 1: that he could pay Seymour her alimony quarterly instead of monthly,
Speaker 1: so they were like same amount, but you can spread
Speaker 1: it out. And so he was like, damn it, that's
Speaker 1: not what I was looking for. So he turned around.
Speaker 1: He put in another appeal. He just did not want
Speaker 1: to give seymore anything because thanks to her, the story
Speaker 1: about him just would not die. He had been the
Speaker 1: subject of very public ridicule for nearly a year now,
Speaker 1: which would hurt anybody, I think, And he realized, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna have to leave England for a
Speaker 1: while to let this die down. As long as I'm here,
Speaker 1: the stories alive. So it was high time for another
Speaker 1: Richard reinvention and we will find out how he went
Speaker 1: about that. Right after these messages welcome back Cus and
Speaker 1: feather burners, the world people are gonna stop listening or
Speaker 1: primari demographics. They're like, I don't want people think about
Speaker 1: cook or a feather burner. Know, feather burner might be good.
Speaker 1: You're helping people wake up from Look, we don't need
Speaker 1: to get into it. So Richard wanted to reinvent himself,
Speaker 1: just like he had on his study abroad. But he
Speaker 1: was going to have to go further abroad than he
Speaker 1: ever had before, because even in Rome they were calling
Speaker 1: him the twelve a band he got gold. So he
Speaker 1: decided that he would head to Spain, Portugal, Greece, Turkey, Egypt,
Speaker 1: even Russia, and he was going to collect marble statues
Speaker 1: and antiquities and items of historical interest in an effort
Speaker 1: to reinvent himself as a scholar and an intellectual. In Egypt,
Speaker 1: he would regularly see all these slave auctions and he
Speaker 1: kind of got obsessed with the idea of buying a
Speaker 1: young slave girl. He liked the thought of a young
Speaker 1: woman being entirely under his control. But the prices were
Speaker 1: too high. I'll say the prices were too high because
Speaker 1: a lot of the girls that were on sale were
Speaker 1: white and not black. No kidding, Um, yeah, they were
Speaker 1: at least very fair skin and white presenting worth more
Speaker 1: quote unquote. I guess, jeez, boy, there's a lot to
Speaker 1: unpack there. I mean, you know, you you dwell in
Speaker 1: slavery too long and everyone is just awful everything about it.
Speaker 1: There's nothing redeeming. So the prices were so high that
Speaker 1: he instead purchased a young black boy as his page.
Speaker 1: He was like, by jove, I'm gonna buy someone, damn it. Literally. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was like so obsessed with it. It was like
Speaker 1: a collectible for him. I know, I previously thought Richard
Speaker 1: was kind of a piece of ship, but now he's
Speaker 1: like running shit. Um. Yeah. Not only that, it gets worse.
Speaker 1: Richard also severely beat and mistreated this boy, and at
Speaker 1: one point in Russia he stayed with some fellow Englishmen
Speaker 1: named Samuel and the philosopher Jeremy Bentham, who you may
Speaker 1: remember as John Locke's pseudonym in the last two seasons
Speaker 1: of Lost. Of course, everyone immediately it was that home
Speaker 1: you all remember. It was that whole mystery where after
Speaker 1: when the Oceanic When when the Oceanic Six were off
Speaker 1: the island and they couldn't figure out how to get back,
Speaker 1: and they were all talking to each other and they
Speaker 1: were like, uh, you know, you know, Jeremy Bentham told
Speaker 1: us that we had to do this to get back
Speaker 1: to the island. This is for another show. We're not
Speaker 1: talking about Loss, I know, but I could. I would
Speaker 1: love to challenge you to find a lost reference in
Speaker 1: every episode of our show. Well, there was a lot
Speaker 1: of philosophers names being dropped on Lost. So Jeremy Bentham.
Speaker 1: Jeremy Bentham was a roommate of Sir Richard here, and
Speaker 1: Jeremy wrote that their home was regular early rocked by
Speaker 1: quote the lad's shrieks and agonies. Uh continues the quote,
Speaker 1: he treated the poor boy with barbarous cruelty. Nobody could
Speaker 1: be more wretched than he was in his master's presence.
Speaker 1: Oh God, And that seems to be sort of the point, yes,
Speaker 1: Sir Richard. I mean, why else would you become obsessed
Speaker 1: with owning a person and having a person under your
Speaker 1: complete control if it wasn't to treat them as badly
Speaker 1: as you wanted and then couldn't leave you for a
Speaker 1: better employment. And also Jeremy Bentham sitting there being like
Speaker 1: this is absolutely terrible and apparently not putting a stop
Speaker 1: to it. So I know better, Jeremy, Okay, I definitely
Speaker 1: had that question too. I was like the people apparently
Speaker 1: were very disgusted by his treatment of this boy all
Speaker 1: through his the whole time he had him, and no
Speaker 1: one said a fucking word. Oh this world. But much
Speaker 1: like the tragic fate of Jane, who, if you remember,
Speaker 1: was Seymour and George's illegitimate child together, this boy just
Speaker 1: disappeared at some point and no one knows what happened
Speaker 1: to him. You know, we can all hope that he
Speaker 1: ran off to a happier life. It's possible that he
Speaker 1: died or maybe even was killed again if we we
Speaker 1: It's sometimes it really feels like Sir Richard killed that girl.
Speaker 1: I'm like the fact that the two people closest to him,
Speaker 1: his wife and his friend George, both thought that he
Speaker 1: had it in him to kill their daughter, and then
Speaker 1: when she died, they were like, yeah, he probably killed her.
Speaker 1: I think he might have just treated this boy so
Speaker 1: terribly that he died or got so you know, a
Speaker 1: beating sucked him up so much that he never recovered.
Speaker 1: I don't know, speculation station, We don't know what Richard
Speaker 1: is like, but only evidence points to a real piece
Speaker 1: of work. In either case, this boy certainly wasn't with
Speaker 1: Sir Richard when he decided by seven that it had
Speaker 1: been long enough in his a broad journey that he
Speaker 1: was going to come back to England. When he did
Speaker 1: get back to England, he was accompanied by someone. It
Speaker 1: was his housekeeper, which is a euphemism for a mistress
Speaker 1: of an unequal social status. Her name was Sarah Smith.
Speaker 1: So while Richard was away, Seymour did not have an
Speaker 1: easy time of it. At the end of January three
Speaker 1: and while she was still pregnant, George Bissett left her.
Speaker 1: Damn George, but he had stuck with her for nearly
Speaker 1: a year after this big trial. But it's clear that
Speaker 1: she could never remarry as long as Richard was still alive,
Speaker 1: and that he was never going to get her a
Speaker 1: divorce and he needed a legitimate air for his own estate.
Speaker 1: He may also have succumbed to pressure from his religious family.
Speaker 1: Right whatever happened, their days were pretty much numbered as
Speaker 1: soon as they found out that Richard was suing for
Speaker 1: separation um and Seymour maybe sensed that, and that might
Speaker 1: have been why she was trying so hard to miscarry
Speaker 1: their second child, because she was like, if you're not
Speaker 1: even gonna be here to help help me with this baby.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I would carry it, I suppose,
Speaker 1: And eventually George would marry a woman named Harriet more Daunt,
Speaker 1: settled down as a justice of the peace, have two children,
Speaker 1: and be remembered as an epitome of virtue. Good job,
Speaker 1: George looks. Fore, it's the reinvention that Richard wanted so badly.
Speaker 1: So in that way he got a bit of a
Speaker 1: revenge on Richard. I think he did that. He did
Speaker 1: get the nobody really remembered this whole sordid episode of
Speaker 1: his past. But for now, Seymour was heavily pregnant, broke
Speaker 1: and the loan, and Reuben Hold writes quote, while she
Speaker 1: had chosen with defiant pride to where the epithet of horror,
Speaker 1: as she had hung from her lover's arm, the true
Speaker 1: meaning of the term only revealed itself to her in
Speaker 1: his absence. Without him, Seymour faced the future where her
Speaker 1: financial need, not her heart, determined who she would be embracing.
Speaker 1: Oh so it was like almost like you've been playing
Speaker 1: the part, but now you really got to know what
Speaker 1: it's like, got to play the part. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you can't. You've been caused plan as a sex worker,
Speaker 1: but you don't really get what it's like in these streets,
Speaker 1: and now she does. Yeah, it's sort of like the
Speaker 1: new female coterie. It sounds really fun theory. But also
Speaker 1: these were women who straight up had to kind of
Speaker 1: just accept the advances of the richest man who was
Speaker 1: interested as long as he was interested, and then they'd
Speaker 1: get dropped like a bad habit and they'd have to
Speaker 1: find another one. It's just a very unstable, uncertain existence,
Speaker 1: you know, you couldn't really make plans. It's very shifting
Speaker 1: sands kind of some things were sometimes it was great,
Speaker 1: sometimes it wasn't. And I think for Seymour it all
Speaker 1: seemed fine to have a man pay for your life
Speaker 1: and not be married to him. But she was actually
Speaker 1: in love with George and she really wanted to be
Speaker 1: with him. But now she's like, oh, now I have
Speaker 1: to just find a guy, and that's not really I
Speaker 1: think that's not really her thing. This is wild, and
Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and put it in speculation station um,
Speaker 1: but I'm starting to think that just exclusively at this
Speaker 1: exact moment in history, life for women was challenging, and
Speaker 1: I don't just I'm I don't know I'm just it
Speaker 1: just kind of feels like that way to me. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm overstepping and maybe I sound crazy. You know, in
Speaker 1: these day and age, I feel like just a narrow
Speaker 1: window of time there and the very small part of
Speaker 1: the world life for women might have been a little difficult. Yeah,
Speaker 1: fortunately in every other country, every other time, totally fine.
Speaker 1: Nothing specifically, I don't want to again. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to go too crazy, right right right, women of the world,
Speaker 1: right in and let me know what you think of that.
Speaker 1: Please don't please don't we know we're kidding sarcasm stations.
Speaker 1: So Seymour was certainly Hella broke. She was running up
Speaker 1: debts like crazy when she started seeing a man named
Speaker 1: Isaac Buyers in three. He was a wealthy plantation owner.
Speaker 1: He had no society presence, so he kind of felt
Speaker 1: like Seymour had all the connections that he would want
Speaker 1: to like cut a dash in society. You know, she
Speaker 1: still knows the Prince of Wales and all that type
Speaker 1: of so he's like, great, You've got what I need. Plus,
Speaker 1: she was pregnant, which meant he would be safe from
Speaker 1: an illegitimate child like hit the jackpot over, I know,
Speaker 1: right until she gave birth. No, since Seymour and Richard's
Speaker 1: suit for separation had still not been decided, Seymour was
Speaker 1: able to plead coverture, which was like a law saying
Speaker 1: that a husband was responsible for paying his wife's debts.
Speaker 1: But since Richard was abroad and nobody could get a
Speaker 1: hold of him, how convenient, her creditors started harassing her.
Speaker 1: They would knock on her door at all hours of
Speaker 1: the night. They would wait in the street for her
Speaker 1: to come out of her house. Uh, they would wait
Speaker 1: by establishments that she frequented, and jump all over her
Speaker 1: when she showed up. This was a total campaign of
Speaker 1: intimidation and bullying that honestly would make anybody just lose
Speaker 1: their minds. Was constant harassment. I was thinking about when
Speaker 1: we had so much debt and our phones would just
Speaker 1: ring a lot, and I'm so horrible and annoying and
Speaker 1: anxiety inducing. And then I'm like, imagine if they were
Speaker 1: just knocking every day, every any multiple times of day,
Speaker 1: if every time you went out, they would jump out
Speaker 1: of your freaking bushes. Basically like where's my money? You go?
Speaker 1: You you try to go out to dinner just one
Speaker 1: night and They're like, what are you doing here buying dinner?
Speaker 1: You should be giving me that my money? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean they do need to get paid, but come on, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean most of them. I feel badly because these
Speaker 1: are probably tradespeople. Really, they were just some merchants like
Speaker 1: like I need this wasn't like a predatory loan company,
Speaker 1: and a lot of aristocrats didn't never pay their bills.
Speaker 1: They would just place a bigger order and kind of
Speaker 1: kick the can down the road, so that at some
Speaker 1: point you had to be like really mean about it.
Speaker 1: So I get it, but I'm also like, well, putting
Speaker 1: myself in seymour shoes horrible. How can people who have
Speaker 1: so much money are so good at never spending it?
Speaker 1: That's how they have it. I didn't get rich by
Speaker 1: writing a bunch of checks. So eventually, Seymour gave birth
Speaker 1: to George's second child, but there is no record of
Speaker 1: what happened to this baby. Finally, she and Isaac Buyers
Speaker 1: fled to Holland and Belgium to escape her creditors, but
Speaker 1: at some point in Belgium, Buyers left her, and no
Speaker 1: one knows what she was up to from that point
Speaker 1: until she returned to England. At this point she was
Speaker 1: pregnant again and totally alone. This was five. Her creditors
Speaker 1: immediately heard she was back and just jumped back on
Speaker 1: their campaign of intimidation. Eventually, Seymour gave birth to this
Speaker 1: little girl, and she fled the country again, and this
Speaker 1: time she headed to rural France, and there she took
Speaker 1: this baby girl. She found a local family somewhere out
Speaker 1: in the in the countryside to raise this kid. She
Speaker 1: was fairly common in the eighteenth century. Apparently, yeah, you
Speaker 1: just went and found some poor couple somewhere who I
Speaker 1: guess they were poor, but they could easily support they like,
Speaker 1: we're struggling to have a child of their own. Somebody
Speaker 1: comes in with a healthy baby and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: pas there, like you got so many, I mean, you
Speaker 1: won't even notice her. Could be the opposite, yes, one
Speaker 1: or the other. Another two hands for the farm sounds
Speaker 1: perfect to me. How healthy is she? Milk a goat?
Speaker 1: You will. But France would be a per place for
Speaker 1: Seymour to live, particularly Paris, because women were allowed a
Speaker 1: sexual freedom in France that was highly unusual for English ladies.
Speaker 1: As ruben Holt writes, quote, French society. Ladies would hardly
Speaker 1: have batted an eye at Seymour's list of indiscretions, nor
Speaker 1: entirely understood what had precipitated such a scandal in the
Speaker 1: first place. A lady's good reputation in France was defined
Speaker 1: by her skill at amorous intrigue, while the figure of
Speaker 1: a virtuous wife was ridiculed and dismissed. Yes, I want
Speaker 1: to live in that place. Sounds great. This sounds like
Speaker 1: one of those times and places that was perfect for
Speaker 1: women and they had no so no problem at all.
Speaker 1: I know. I'm like, that's just a total different set
Speaker 1: of problems, probably but certainly for someone like Seymour. She's like, oh,
Speaker 1: y'all don't even know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I could.
Speaker 1: I have to try hard to be to be crazy.
Speaker 1: Over here, they're like, people are mad about this, lover
Speaker 1: you talk Helloa jokes drops myself. Ruben Holt actually name
Speaker 1: checks our friend, Governor Morris, one of the people who
Speaker 1: wrote about this extreme difference, and of course he did,
Speaker 1: of course he did. Please if you haven't heard our
Speaker 1: episode about Governor Morris, he's one of our favorite characters
Speaker 1: we've ever done. Father. He's hands down the best founding
Speaker 1: father there was. He was a very cool guy. Yes,
Speaker 1: please check it out if you have not heard it already.
Speaker 1: And actually he was. He was in France around the
Speaker 1: same time as Seymour. Oh yeah, So I just like
Speaker 1: to think about them maybe like seeing, you know, hanging
Speaker 1: out a party and like flirting a little bit. Like
Speaker 1: wouldn't it be dope if you found out that they
Speaker 1: had an affair? I would die. They did, I don't
Speaker 1: think they did, but uh, we talked in that episode
Speaker 1: about starting an HBO show. I was like, you could
Speaker 1: do six seasons on Governor Morris, easy, amazing show, constant adventure, excitement,
Speaker 1: really great characters. At the end of the part, hello,
Speaker 1: we could definitely do another show about Seymour and Richard
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. And then there's our crossover episode.
Speaker 1: So we've created a whole the Ridiculous Romance universe where
Speaker 1: the same actress that plays Lady Seymour you see her
Speaker 1: in Governor Or Morris and then you're like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Turns out the next season is about that bitch who
Speaker 1: you thought was just a plain bit character but actually
Speaker 1: perfect and then it's been off. Look, all I'm saying
Speaker 1: is HBO executives of the world who are listening to
Speaker 1: our show, please shoot us an email. We'd love to
Speaker 1: get a ten show contract. We would love to sign
Speaker 1: right away. It's half written already, Come on anyway. This
Speaker 1: reversal of the roles made Paris a preferred destination for
Speaker 1: the ostracized British lady who behaved badly, Brits who behaved badly,
Speaker 1: Fritz behaving badly. That's the title of one of the
Speaker 1: shows that we're going to do, Gotta be And Plus
Speaker 1: France was going through an Anglo file phase at this time,
Speaker 1: and so everything English was like all the rage except
Speaker 1: their sexual behavior, except that they were like, we don't
Speaker 1: want to co opt that, but like some of your
Speaker 1: stuff is cool. Yeah, we love big clocks and tea.
Speaker 1: I'm sure the food probably was not probably a fashion
Speaker 1: style and poured it over. Yeah, I think some fashion,
Speaker 1: probably some art music, you know, stuff like that cultural thing,
Speaker 1: dancing a dance all the rage in England, the dancing,
Speaker 1: the wos at all Max of all places. So Seymour
Speaker 1: would have been pretty warmly welcomed in France, and she
Speaker 1: became friends with a Duke of Orleans and his whole circle,
Speaker 1: and that's how she met her next protector, Joseph Bouland
Speaker 1: or the Chevalier de Saint George. This guy also just
Speaker 1: deserves his whole his whole own show on HBO. This
Speaker 1: guy is amazing. He's super handsome, he's charming, he's an
Speaker 1: amazing dancer, he's a champion fencer. Also he's a noted
Speaker 1: composer and conductor and violin player. He also he was black.
Speaker 1: His father had been a plantation owner, but his mother
Speaker 1: was a sixteen year old slave named Nanni who was
Speaker 1: the wife's personal maid. So Daddy Boulogne actually recognized and
Speaker 1: claimed Joseph as his own son and made sure he
Speaker 1: got a really good education. But since Joseph was black,
Speaker 1: that meant he couldn't inherit any titles or land, and
Speaker 1: he was barred from marrying any lady in his own class.
Speaker 1: But if you're watching Bridgetain and you think that's not
Speaker 1: what they looked like, there were black aristocrats absolutely, and
Speaker 1: this guy was one of them. And I would totally
Speaker 1: watch a show about him. It sounds like a hottie
Speaker 1: reggae Jean Paige anyone right now, by his own talents
Speaker 1: and virtues. This guy made a place for himself in
Speaker 1: fashionable society. He even famously dueled at transgender champion fencer
Speaker 1: named La Chevoliere. Don and Marie Antoinette frequently attended this
Speaker 1: guy's concerts and operas. People called him Le Mozartoire, and
Speaker 1: he actually was roomies with Mozart for several months in
Speaker 1: seventeen seventy eight. Now you know that would be his
Speaker 1: own season of his show. Start was a little troublemaker.
Speaker 1: I feel like definitely could have gotten to some ship together.
Speaker 1: That was Oh my god, Mozart was that real handful.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for our Mozart episode right now. Either
Speaker 1: Joseph was also a troublemaker or it was like an
Speaker 1: odd couple situations. Either way, I'm in Joseph was like
Speaker 1: real clean and proper, like Mozart stopped doing fart jokes
Speaker 1: at dinner. Another name check. Also, one woman said about
Speaker 1: Saint George that his powers of musical improvisation to use
Speaker 1: only music to create a mood and a story was
Speaker 1: comparable to her other favorite composer, actor Barlow. Another one
Speaker 1: of our episodes, That's just a delight, Go check it out.
Speaker 1: Another wild fucking story the things this guy did for
Speaker 1: love composers. Man who knew the composers led artists? Okay,
Speaker 1: but yeah, the Chevalier de Saint George sounds like a
Speaker 1: super hot guy to be a mistress for. So good
Speaker 1: for you, semur So. She's doing great in France, damnit.
Speaker 1: But even so, she did return to London in because finally,
Speaker 1: after five years, her and Richard's case for separation and
Speaker 1: alimony was coming to an end. Richard Boo had succeeded
Speaker 1: in overturning the six dred pound alimony, so he would
Speaker 1: not have to pay that extra money to Seymore, but
Speaker 1: he did still have to pay all her insanely high debt,
Speaker 1: and that meant that he had to sell his London
Speaker 1: townhouse and everything inside it. I'm kind of laughing at Richard.
Speaker 1: It feels like everything he wanted went terribly, went completely
Speaker 1: the opposite direction. Like he's like, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: give you what you want, which is a divorce. I'll
Speaker 1: see you for separations. So she's like, let me run
Speaker 1: up a quick bill and he you have to pay it.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like he's playing himself at every I mean,
Speaker 1: she outwitted him. And he was. He really let his
Speaker 1: arrogance get the best of them, because, like we said
Speaker 1: in part one, it was all about for him, it
Speaker 1: was all just about not being wronged or injured. It
Speaker 1: was like his pride was really what he was so
Speaker 1: obsessed with. Yeah, and he was like, I'm socially this
Speaker 1: and that, and I don't deserve this tree. You can
Speaker 1: get over himself just trying to get one over on me.
Speaker 1: I'll show you. And then he did something crazy stupid
Speaker 1: and like if he had just divorced her, he'd have
Speaker 1: every all this stuff, he'd be fine. He'd he'd have
Speaker 1: his own money, he wouldn't have no wife in the
Speaker 1: papers talking ship. I don't know what his problem is.
Speaker 1: He wasn't think it's straight. So yeah, having to sell
Speaker 1: his house and all that stuff in it, that was
Speaker 1: yet another blow to Richard's enormously inflated a sense of ego. Um.
Speaker 1: But also he got real worried that Seymour was going
Speaker 1: to resume all her pranks and scandalous behavior and put
Speaker 1: his name back in the papers and everything and ruin
Speaker 1: all his chances of redeeming his reputation as long as
Speaker 1: she was in London. So He included a clause that
Speaker 1: Seymour had to leave England for four years, and if
Speaker 1: she returned before four years was up, he could legally
Speaker 1: withhold her pin money, which was again her only source
Speaker 1: of independence, by the way, So that sounds crazy to
Speaker 1: me that she signed that ship. Even Richard and Seymour's
Speaker 1: lawyers both were like, this is not legal and I
Speaker 1: can't do this. I'm assuming she probably just wanted to
Speaker 1: go back to France. And I mean, I'm saying, I
Speaker 1: wish someone would sue me and tell me you have
Speaker 1: to go to Paris for four years, crying where's my
Speaker 1: pen um? So yeah, I'm assuming she just was like, yeah, great, fine,
Speaker 1: fuck England, I'll go back to France where they appreciate me.
Speaker 1: And she was also probably just so done with like
Speaker 1: all of Richard's little tricks, trying to keep them from
Speaker 1: getting done with each other. For your vacation from you
Speaker 1: by But the French Revolution was close and we will
Speaker 1: find out how that affected Seymour right after these words
Speaker 1: welcome back everyone. So for the next few years, Seymour
Speaker 1: lived in Paris. The Chevalier de Saint George was no
Speaker 1: longer in her life, but she took up with another
Speaker 1: duellist named Dick England, which ironically to me sounds like
Speaker 1: a very American name. Dick England. Here he was a
Speaker 1: different type of duelists. This some siting thank some aluminiums
Speaker 1: England's aluminum sake, Dick's big cars, what off Highway nine,
Speaker 1: Dick England's Mini Coopers. Now he was a different kind
Speaker 1: of duelist. This guy used pistols. She probably met him
Speaker 1: years before through the Prince of Wales, but he had
Speaker 1: fled England after killing a man in a duel. So
Speaker 1: thanks to her friendship with the Duke of Orleans, they
Speaker 1: established a Pharaoh table at the Palais Royal Pharaohs, a
Speaker 1: gambling card game that was very popular at the time.
Speaker 1: But Reuben Holt points out that Seymour was still writing
Speaker 1: pretty desperate letters to Richard's bank asking for money, so
Speaker 1: this whole gambling table thing might not have been as
Speaker 1: lucrative adventure as they had hoped. But everything changed in
Speaker 1: seventeen ninety two when the fall of the Bastille Herald
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the French Revolution. Seymour's friend, the
Speaker 1: Duke of Orleans, was legit anti monarchy. This guy was
Speaker 1: on the people's side, so to speak, and he rebranded
Speaker 1: himself as Philippe e Galita. But they didn't take that
Speaker 1: side switch from him. He ended up on the guillotine anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's not known where Seymour was during this time,
Speaker 1: but it's very probable that she was imprisoned during the
Speaker 1: Reign of Terror as the Duke of Orleans. Mistress Grace
Speaker 1: Dalrymple Elliott kept a journal during her imprisonment, and she
Speaker 1: wrote several times about this mysterious friend that we think
Speaker 1: was probably Seymour. Yeah, like the timelines add up and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, so they're like, she never said her name.
Speaker 1: She called her by a different name, but they're like,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's probably Seymour. Also imprisoned during this
Speaker 1: time was Josephine Boharne, who was the future wife of
Speaker 1: Napoleon Bonaparte. Just a real who's who in this prison,
Speaker 1: his prisons and who's who of ladies um And again
Speaker 1: it's not known where Seymour was exactly during this time,
Speaker 1: but she was not in England in April of sev
Speaker 1: when her and Richard's son Robert unexpectedly died at only
Speaker 1: nineteen years old. This is so sad. I mean, poor Seymour.
Speaker 1: She had one kid, she has not seen him since
Speaker 1: he was five years old, and probably not allowed to
Speaker 1: see her. Then she had a kid who died, another
Speaker 1: baby who died. Two babies she had to give away.
Speaker 1: Like just feels tragic. And then of course Richard, it's
Speaker 1: probably a big blow for him too because it was
Speaker 1: his only legitimate child as well, so that was he
Speaker 1: was supposed to inherit. Everything was supposed to have kids
Speaker 1: and carry on the Worsley name, the worse than Sly name.
Speaker 1: But he's got nobody. While Seymour was locked up in Paris,
Speaker 1: Richard was still working on his reinvention, his lifelong project. It.
Speaker 1: I guess he had gone on this extensive trip. He
Speaker 1: had picked up a lot of art and antiquities and
Speaker 1: paintings and everything, and now it was time to show
Speaker 1: the world a new and improved so Richard Wellesley patron.
Speaker 1: So he wrote a book called Museum. Worsley ad him.
Speaker 1: I know, right, it's so pretentious. He apparently spent a
Speaker 1: lot on the binding and it looked real fancy. It
Speaker 1: was like extra large, so you had to like make
Speaker 1: it a display book, and not just a regular book anyway.
Speaker 1: He really went in on it the humble Sir Richard.
Speaker 1: It was a book describing his travels and included like
Speaker 1: copper plate illustrations of all his collection, his collectibles and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and it was not meant to be
Speaker 1: sold in bookshops. His intention was to put it directly
Speaker 1: in the hands of people he wanted to impress or
Speaker 1: get in with academic types and the right people. And
Speaker 1: he felt so strongly about it that when he discovered
Speaker 1: that a copy he'd given to a friend as a
Speaker 1: gift was up for auction at Christie's, he bought it himself.
Speaker 1: That's how sty he was, like, I don't want any
Speaker 1: stranger to get this one, um, And it did go
Speaker 1: to a fair way to redeeming him socially a little bit.
Speaker 1: He got a diplomatic position in Venice in sevent thanks
Speaker 1: to his extensive knowledge of Italy, who was on the
Speaker 1: brink of war with France, so England was like, we
Speaker 1: really need some some ear to ground over there. The
Speaker 1: Seymour didn't come back to England until seventeen nine seven,
Speaker 1: and she was a different woman when she returned because
Speaker 1: everything that she had lived through in France. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously she gets there in its whole different culture,
Speaker 1: but then she's going through poverty and the revolution and
Speaker 1: the baby she had to give away and the death
Speaker 1: of her son. This drained a lot of that sassy
Speaker 1: energy that she had when she left the country. She
Speaker 1: was also seriously ill with what was called an inflammation
Speaker 1: of the lungs. And the only good news about out
Speaker 1: this was that it led to a reconciliation with her family.
Speaker 1: That perfect sister of hers, Jane and and her mother.
Speaker 1: They went to see her, and Seymour wrote to Richard Stewart, quote,
Speaker 1: you will now be glad to hear that I am
Speaker 1: restored to the love and regard of all my family.
Speaker 1: They have all been to see me, and they are
Speaker 1: all goodness to me. Think what happiness I must feel
Speaker 1: at an event that I have so long wished for.
Speaker 1: I mean, and it had been fifteen years since she
Speaker 1: had seen them, after all, right, and since the trials.
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, it's been fifteen years. You did
Speaker 1: something crazy. But her friends again, yeah, how long does
Speaker 1: it take? I like that? She said that, you know,
Speaker 1: I've been dreaming of this reunion for so long, and
Speaker 1: think how good it must have felt that it went well,
Speaker 1: because I'm sure she's imagining all possibilities. They're gonna hate me,
Speaker 1: they're gonna not they're gonna tell me to funk off,
Speaker 1: they're gonna make fun of me the whole time, or
Speaker 1: something to treat me inferior, and we along great. It
Speaker 1: was so great to be in my family. We forgave
Speaker 1: me for you know, any dirt that got tossed onto
Speaker 1: them because of what I was doing. In fact, um
Speaker 1: Jane and the Earl even took Seymour to stay by
Speaker 1: the sea for her health. And they were so respectable,
Speaker 1: the two of them, that just being seen in public
Speaker 1: with them helped repair Seymour's reputation. Even Richard's own relatives
Speaker 1: were willing to receive Seymour, like, if the Harrington's are
Speaker 1: scorting her about, she must have just thrown those traces off.
Speaker 1: And it's fine. Now we're we're all thinking of Steve Harrington.
Speaker 1: I know I'll never hear the word Harrington again without
Speaker 1: thinking of it. Was like the Earl of Harrington. I
Speaker 1: hope he had some good hair. Can I just throw
Speaker 1: out for our audience, who are probably big Steve Harrington
Speaker 1: fans out there, I just want to say that O
Speaker 1: Carry is one of the nicest people I've ever met.
Speaker 1: That actually is awesome. He wrote. He wrote me a
Speaker 1: list of recommendations for restaurants while I was in l A,
Speaker 1: just saying, just saying, wow, I couldn't find a single
Speaker 1: one of them, but I'm sure they were. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: a write a list of recommendations Tony's yeah, right, he
Speaker 1: just made a bunch of like Donut Palace, Joe's Cafe. Wait,
Speaker 1: that's me Jake's Cafe. Oh no, is he an asshole?
Speaker 1: All right? Different Harrington's. Seymour actually wrote after meeting with
Speaker 1: her family and spending time with them, quote, I really
Speaker 1: think one of the greatest blessings is being beloved by
Speaker 1: one's nearest and dearest. True. Just a nice sentiment to
Speaker 1: take after all the years of everything she'd been through. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you could see that the steadiness of the
Speaker 1: people around her would be extremely valued by her because
Speaker 1: she does. Again, she's got these guys. They're kind of
Speaker 1: in and out, and Richard sucked so hard, Like who
Speaker 1: what is? Who does she believe in? Now? Of course,
Speaker 1: Seymour is still Seymour. Okay, so she had just learned
Speaker 1: to be a little more discreet. Okay, Okay, that is learning.
Speaker 1: That is learning. She did probably didn't want to do
Speaker 1: anything to jeopardize her newfound relationship with her family, so
Speaker 1: she lived in a property that was left to her
Speaker 1: by her father, Mr. Fleming, and that had been divided
Speaker 1: into three houses, so she lived in one, her friend
Speaker 1: Grace Dalrymple Elliott lived in the middle house, and then
Speaker 1: the third was rented out to various fast types of people.
Speaker 1: So maybe not the right type okay, And Seymour actually
Speaker 1: had a fling with one of these neighbors. His name
Speaker 1: is Colonel George Porter, and he actually later married Seymour's friend,
Speaker 1: Lady Henrietta Grosvenor, another member of the new female coterie,
Speaker 1: even though Henrietta was eleven years older than George Porter.
Speaker 1: So get a girl, um. And then Seymour had her
Speaker 1: own real love affair, Jean Louis Hummel, a Swiss singer
Speaker 1: with a family background in trade. Now, Jean Louis was
Speaker 1: not wealthy, uh, Seymour was in her mid forties and
Speaker 1: old enough to be his mother, but their relationship still worked. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe Jean Louis was just like cool, she's got money,
Speaker 1: her husband's old. If I hang out long enough, she
Speaker 1: might leave me some I don't know, but apparently they
Speaker 1: got along really, really well. Meanwhile, Richard had to flee
Speaker 1: Italy when the Venetian Republic fell to Napoleon in se
Speaker 1: and he came back to the Isle of Wight, where
Speaker 1: he became more and more antisocial. Can't blame him to
Speaker 1: be honest. Accompanying him to and from Venice was his
Speaker 1: quote unquote housekeeper Sarah Smith Reuben hold right quote. Having
Speaker 1: traveled with her lover from England to Venice and braved
Speaker 1: the perilous journey by sea and land back to the
Speaker 1: Isle of Wight. Mrs Smith was undoubtedly a most dedicated mistress.
Speaker 1: It is hard to imagine that anything but a genuine
Speaker 1: love held the two together, which is a nice thought
Speaker 1: for Richard to have a true love, I guess, But
Speaker 1: I also wonder if she's of unequal social status, she
Speaker 1: might just be like, follow the money, I'll go wherever
Speaker 1: the money is. I mean, I don't like to cast
Speaker 1: dispersions onto Mrs Smith, but if John Louis can be
Speaker 1: suspected of loving Seymour for her money. I think Mrs
Speaker 1: Smith also, can I guess I just like, yeah, good
Speaker 1: for her whatever. She married a potential child murderer and
Speaker 1: a known racist and slave owner, so they can both
Speaker 1: Maybe she's they could be a truly in love because
Speaker 1: they were both running ships that found exactly at last. Now,
Speaker 1: when Richard did flee Venice, he'd had to pack up
Speaker 1: a separate ship with his antiquities and his art and
Speaker 1: all the paintings he'd purchased while he lived there. But
Speaker 1: unfortunately for Sir Richard, the ship that held most of it,
Speaker 1: the Robert Pattison. That was the name of the ship,
Speaker 1: Robert Pattison en bat bat bat Well, this ship, the
Speaker 1: Robert Pattison, was ransacked and all the valuable stuff inside
Speaker 1: was held to ransom, and Sir Richard is like, oh fine,
Speaker 1: I guess I'll take some of my money and pay
Speaker 1: off this ransom. But guess what must much of this
Speaker 1: collection was stolen anyway, and so his obsession with collecting
Speaker 1: only grew stronger now since he didn't have an air anymore,
Speaker 1: his only chance at a legacy that wasn't about him
Speaker 1: helping another man peep on his wife was to go
Speaker 1: down in history as an impressive arts patron. He was
Speaker 1: digging a real financial hole with all these acquisitions, though,
Speaker 1: and all these dubious art dealers, they smelled a sucker.
Speaker 1: They were like, here's a man who will do anything
Speaker 1: to increase his collection. He don't even have to see
Speaker 1: the thing. So he bought a ton of paintings from
Speaker 1: this one guy, only to have his bankers remind him that, hey,
Speaker 1: you don't actually have enough money for that purchase, so
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to turn around and sell all those
Speaker 1: paintings at a loss. So he lost money on both
Speaker 1: ends of the transaction. A lot of the art that
Speaker 1: he bought he never even got to see once. It
Speaker 1: was just just flushing money down the toilets, throwing good
Speaker 1: money after bad. When Sir Richard Worsley died of a
Speaker 1: stroke in eighteen o five, he left his estate in
Speaker 1: so much debt and disarray that it took twenty years
Speaker 1: to work it out. But the faithful Mrs Smith was
Speaker 1: provided for. He left her two hundred and fifty pounds
Speaker 1: a year, which is a little under pounds so grand,
Speaker 1: which is considerably less than the six hundred pound alimony
Speaker 1: he was going to be paying out Seymour. So it's
Speaker 1: not like I mean, I guess he didn't have that
Speaker 1: kind of money anymore. I guess pounds of year is
Speaker 1: probably the best she's going to get. Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1: So it was the nice of him to think of her,
Speaker 1: I suppose, yeah, yeah, right, And although he never knew it,
Speaker 1: his collection of marbles and Greek antiquities was completely overshadowed
Speaker 1: when Lord Elgin, another famous cuckold and a future subject
Speaker 1: of ridiculous romance, brought his collection to London. Everyone's talking
Speaker 1: about the Lord Elgin collection, Lord Elgin's models, But Sir
Speaker 1: Richard's death, what's exactly what? Seymour had spent years waiting
Speaker 1: for everyone's like, finally because now she could shake off
Speaker 1: his stupid name and get her dang dang fortune back.
Speaker 1: So less than a month after he died, Seymour aged
Speaker 1: forward seven married Jean Louis hummel Age by royal license.
Speaker 1: She resumed her maiden name of Fleming, so she was
Speaker 1: Lady Seymour Fleming once again, and Jean Louis changed his
Speaker 1: name to Fleming as well. Yeah, I guess in deference
Speaker 1: to her greater wealth or something like what's humble mean nothing?
Speaker 1: She got her enormous widows jointure that we talked about
Speaker 1: in the first episode. That was guaranteed and they got
Speaker 1: married and everything. So she got that money. She was
Speaker 1: able to live in comfort and stability once again, after
Speaker 1: so long of the shifting sands of poverty. And not
Speaker 1: long after all that happened, she got a visitor, a
Speaker 1: secret visitor. Remember when Seymour gave away that daughter to
Speaker 1: a local family in rural France. Well, Charlotte was her name,
Speaker 1: and she had grown up and gotten married by this day,
Speaker 1: and her husband filed a claim in court saying that
Speaker 1: Charlotte was legally entitled to serve Richard's fortune as well
Speaker 1: as Seymour's fortune because she was their child, because he
Speaker 1: was unaware of the facts of the matter. No, no, no, sir.
Speaker 1: You see the whole reason I drop this girl off
Speaker 1: with you because she ain't okay, we do not know
Speaker 1: her daddy is okay. You can make up somebody if
Speaker 1: it makes you feel better, but you cannot apply for
Speaker 1: his money. N Sure, go ask him for some money,
Speaker 1: and I'm telling you he won't give it to you.
Speaker 1: So you know this might seem like, oh, I just
Speaker 1: came into money, and now people knocking on my door. Obviously,
Speaker 1: but after having lost so many children, Seymour was just
Speaker 1: really happy to reconnect with one. She said, great, yeay, Charlotte,
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to see you again. And she settled
Speaker 1: a thousand pounds on Charlotte, and she promised to leave
Speaker 1: an additional three thousand pounds to any of their children.
Speaker 1: So that is nice. I think that's nice. At least
Speaker 1: you can do if you drop a baby off in
Speaker 1: a farm somewhere, right, like, all right, I didn't have
Speaker 1: a fortune at the time, but now I do. And yes,
Speaker 1: I think you just saved them of it. And it's
Speaker 1: nice that she got to reconnect with one of her babies.
Speaker 1: I think that was probably a very serious source of
Speaker 1: sadness for definitely, definitely now. As soon as the armistice
Speaker 1: happened in eighteen fourteen, Seymour was like, I'm getting hell
Speaker 1: out of England. I'm done with this place. I'm going
Speaker 1: back to Paris. She was among the first to relocate.
Speaker 1: In eighteen sixteen, she and Jean Louise settled in Passy,
Speaker 1: and that's where she was living when she passed. Away
Speaker 1: in eighteen eighteen, at sixty one years old, just shy
Speaker 1: of her thirteenth anniversary. She has a tomb at Pere
Speaker 1: la Chaise which has this, uh kind of cheeky inscription.
Speaker 1: It says, quote, yes, thou shalt be obeyed nobody, not
Speaker 1: the quote of of Lady Seymour's life. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: she meant like, you'll be staying that to me right.
Speaker 1: Reuben Hold writes that of all of Seymour's lovers, Jean
Speaker 1: Louise stuck beside her the longest. And maybe people think
Speaker 1: that it was just the promise of what he inherited
Speaker 1: that made him so loyal. And it's true that he
Speaker 1: was a very wealthy windower. He had his own land,
Speaker 1: and he was now styled Baron Fleming, just quite a
Speaker 1: leap from his start in life as the stepson of
Speaker 1: a stocking manufacturer. I know, I think this is hard
Speaker 1: for me to grasp as an American, because our whole
Speaker 1: culture is about starting from nothing and getting to the top,
Speaker 1: and it's like not a common story necessarily, but it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be achievable, whereas in this time and place
Speaker 1: it was not. If you were a manufacturer, you were
Speaker 1: never going to be a lord. That is not a
Speaker 1: thing that you don't jump that line actually already have it. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: So it was quite quite a quite a leap in life,
Speaker 1: I guess for him. But Reuben Holt thinks that his
Speaker 1: respect and all of his affection for Seymour was genuine.
Speaker 1: She writes quote, he hoped that posterity would remember them together.
Speaker 1: He may have been the only person to do so.
Speaker 1: His final request was to be buried alongside my dearly
Speaker 1: beloved first wife, Lady Seymour Fleming, a woman of whom
Speaker 1: he had never been ashamed. Well, I like that, I
Speaker 1: like that. I'm glad Lady Seymour experienced some true love
Speaker 1: in her time. It's always nice. It wasn't kind of
Speaker 1: result in a criminal conversation. Several of our stories that
Speaker 1: we've told that are like someone's just chaotic life, ups
Speaker 1: and downs, crashes and burns, like just this that and
Speaker 1: the other lovers comeing and go and getting jilted, and
Speaker 1: then they finally find someone who's just like, hey, I
Speaker 1: love you, let's hang out. That's always nice to be like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm glad you found somebody eventually, And for
Speaker 1: a lot of people. It's just like, you know, you
Speaker 1: find happiness and being like I don't need all that
Speaker 1: and I'm happy alone or whatever. That's a story too.
Speaker 1: But for some of these, like for Lady Seymour, I'm
Speaker 1: glad that she got someone who really cared about her
Speaker 1: and stuck with her. Yeah, definitely. She kind of reminded
Speaker 1: me a lot of Colette, because Collette, of course shitty
Speaker 1: first husband, uh, moving on to other lovers, constantly being
Speaker 1: left and you know nobody. You know, people's kind of
Speaker 1: being like I'll take you up for a while, but
Speaker 1: you know, not for me forever or anything. And the
Speaker 1: new the you know, when she got older, she met
Speaker 1: Maurice and she had a true love for many years
Speaker 1: who stuck by her and really cared. So I was like,
Speaker 1: there you go, go to France. I guess if you
Speaker 1: need to find a lover, France. So yeah, that is
Speaker 1: the story of Lady Seymour. Fleming and Sir Richard Worsley
Speaker 1: beautiful and oh yeah, and good old George. I feel
Speaker 1: bad for George a little bit. I mean it feels
Speaker 1: like he did he did love Seymour and probably would
Speaker 1: have stuck around had there not been all as legal,
Speaker 1: I think, so, you know, stuff blocking him basically. I mean,
Speaker 1: it sucks that he had to leave, but you kind
Speaker 1: of see where he didn't really have a choice. It's like,
Speaker 1: if I want any kind of life exactly, it gets
Speaker 1: to go. Yeah, there's only so long I can party
Speaker 1: with the Prince of Wales before kind of like okay,
Speaker 1: but I also need to like pay for things, get
Speaker 1: a lady to run my household and have babies and
Speaker 1: so on. I mean again, life life is different now,
Speaker 1: you don't need all that ship. So her George could
Speaker 1: have probably lived happily after after, but not not at
Speaker 1: that time. So yeah, he really kind of I feel bad.
Speaker 1: I think he totally would have married her if if
Speaker 1: if Richard had given her a divorce, I think they
Speaker 1: would have gotten married and probably would have very little
Speaker 1: episode to say about them. But that's not what happened.
Speaker 1: Richard decided to go down in history and will perv
Speaker 1: Thanks for the Thanks for the two partner, Richard. Yeah, thanks, Richard.
Speaker 1: It's the longest part you ever gave anybody. Well, so
Speaker 1: so glad to share this with you all. I hope
Speaker 1: you enjoyed it. Yeah, tell us what you thought of
Speaker 1: sir Richard and Lady Seymour. You know, if you would
Speaker 1: have hung out with the new female Cotore a fancy brothel,
Speaker 1: definitely got drunk on champagne in the middle of the afternoon.
Speaker 1: I would have the straight up having mimosa brunches and
Speaker 1: plan and gambling. Oh yeah, oh yeah, so yeah. Let
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