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Speaker 1: I guess, or like the guy maybe would like flip

423
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: come up to her, let's go upstairs. Kind of nice

424
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: because they could they could kind of have their pick

425
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: because they can easily say like, oh, we don't work here,

426
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: we're not prostitutes. Um. But then if they're you know,

427
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: the the seventeen hundreds, Hugh Jackman walks in and she's like, oh, yes, no, actually,

428
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: my schedule is clear today. You can have me as

429
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: long as you like me. So Seymour had joined the

430
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: world of the demi monde or the half world, which

431
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: is a fashionable circle of courtesan's actresses and divorced or

432
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: separated wives. Sounds hot, sounds like the best group of

433
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: people to hang out with. Uh And this was a

434
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: true comfort for Seymour because it was hard not to

435
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: have a circle of female friends in this very gendered society.

436
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: But her male friends they didn't change at all. She

437
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: was still hanging out with the Prince of Wales and

438
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: his circle of expense, some dashing friends, and compared to Richard,

439
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: she was actually doing socially really great. While Richard was

440
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: still the star of a bunch of humiliating cartoons, she

441
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: was hanging out with literal royalty. She even started wearing

442
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: men's breeches, boots and spurs to ride horses like super

443
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: Fast through the park, which was this big spectacle drew

444
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: lots of attention. I mean, first of all, she's wearing

445
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 1: pants men's books. Yeah, they're they're like, there's a woman

446
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: riding a horse in the park. That's that's sort of interesting.

447
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: And she's wearing pants that I've got a seat, my

448
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: smelling salts. Someone burned feathers. The housekeeper has painted burning feathers.

449
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: Is that what they did? Yeah, it's got to be

450
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: those regency books. Yeah, I mean is it the Is

451
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: that supposed to smell and wake you up? I suppose

452
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: it would. Yeah, you didn't have any smelling salts. You

453
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: could just burn feathers. Oh, I've never burned a feather.

454
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: I imagine it smells like burning hair. Smells pretty bad,

455
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: or at least it burns slowly, might be the main thing,

456
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: and you can like waft it in front of their

457
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: fields or something. I don't never burned a feather. Feather

458
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: burners of the world, she doesn't email let us know

459
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: what it smells like. You have a funny idea of

460
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: all the people listen to the show. There's a whole

461
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: group of people feather burners. Reach out. I assume some

462
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: of our biggest audiences, the cooks and the feather burners

463
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: out there. Let's listen to this show. Tag yourself. So

464
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: she's whipping down through the park real fast on horses,

465
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: all the time, drawn all this attention. The Prince of

466
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: Whales wanted to hold a race just so he could

467
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: see her ass and tight pants basically, but Seymour decided

468
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: not to do at the last minute, but she did

469
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,959
Speaker 1: show up to raise a two wheeled phaeton. She's just like,

470
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: I'll do a chariot race. How's that sound? Yeah, there

471
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: you go effect. I was thinking maybe you could get better.

472
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: It was a closed carriage, right, hard to say. I

473
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: don't know what a two wheeled phaeton. Two wheeled phaeton

474
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: riders in the world. Set us picks um, Yes, which

475
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: is a carriage not not? I don't know what you

476
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: think your faeton is. Be careful about its pictures to

477
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: send us sensitive material picture of my phaeton. So she

478
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: shows up in this two wheeled phaeton to do this

479
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: race anyway, and Reuben Hold writes that quote even among

480
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: her set, these tricks were exceptional feats of audacity. But

481
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: this time it wasn't just about Richard. At the time,

482
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: I was considered inadvisable for women to ride too hard

483
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: and fast on a horse because masculine competition and all

484
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: the physical motion was bad for the womb and could

485
00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: result in hysteria or masculinization of the woman, or infantility

486
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: or miscarriage. Seems legitmen Hold rights that quote her sudden

487
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: passion for dangerous gallops was perfectly explicable because she was

488
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,719
Speaker 1: actually pregnant at the time with her and Georgia's second child.

489
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: And you know, but this delicately she was trying not

490
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: to be pregnant anymore. Yeah, but it didn't work. The

491
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: baby hung in there. So as she grew more obviously pregnant,

492
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: she naturally withdrew from the public eye. But at some

493
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: point a letter from her to Richard addressed to Richard,

494
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: appeared in print and people were like salivating for her

495
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: side of the story. So she knew this was gonna

496
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: like really get some attention. She hired a ghostwriter for it,

497
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: so she did not write it herself. Now, this was

498
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: a sixteen page long diet tribe Richard and everything he'd

499
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: done to her. It implied that he was actually gay again,

500
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: a big, pretty fucked up thing to say at the

501
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: time when it was so illegal. Um, it said that

502
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: he only married her for her money. You know, it

503
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: really just laid into Richard and was like, I'm the

504
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: sympathetic figure. This guy sucks. And of course this, you know,

505
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: just kicked up the whole spark around the story again,

506
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: and the twelve penny cuckled himself was like, you know what, fine,

507
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: fine Seymour, and he finally decided to give her her

508
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: clothes back, which was probably what she was going for

509
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: when she wrote this letter in the first place. He

510
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: did keep her jewels, though, he was like, I ain't

511
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: giving you all this treasure. But he also penned a

512
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: response himself. He didn't hire a ghostwriter. He wrote it,

513
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: and it it portrayed her as an insatiable sex maniac.

514
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: He admitted that he could not keep up with her

515
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: sexual needs and was kind of like, I mean, wouldn't

516
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: any man in my situation and lists some friends to

517
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: help out? Wow? Actually no, probably not. So this never Yeah,

518
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: it's never sold well when a man goes out of

519
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,719
Speaker 1: the public and says, my wife wants too much sex.

520
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: So I just obviously I called some other men in

521
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: to have sex with her. Like it doesn't really just

522
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: man would do, right, fellas, they're not all standing up

523
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: to be like, oh sure, yes, I hate it when

524
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: my wife wants too much sex. I always give it

525
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: away to someone else. So that yeah, this didn't really

526
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: make him look very good or anything. But what he

527
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: was really trying to do was win his suit for

528
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: separation and get this extra alimony overturned. So he was

529
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: trying to appear sympathetic in the eyes of the court

530
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: that she was like publicly persecuting him in the papers

531
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: and doing all this stuff to make him look bad.

532
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: But his initial appeal failed. All he got changed was

533
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: that he could pay Seymour her alimony quarterly instead of monthly,

534
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: so they were like same amount, but you can spread

535
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: it out. And so he was like, damn it, that's

536
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: not what I was looking for. So he turned around.

537
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: He put in another appeal. He just did not want

538
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: to give seymore anything because thanks to her, the story

539
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: about him just would not die. He had been the

540
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: subject of very public ridicule for nearly a year now,

541
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: which would hurt anybody, I think, And he realized, you

542
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna have to leave England for a

543
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: while to let this die down. As long as I'm here,

544
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: the stories alive. So it was high time for another

545
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: Richard reinvention and we will find out how he went

546
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: about that. Right after these messages welcome back Cus and

547
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: feather burners, the world people are gonna stop listening or

548
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: primari demographics. They're like, I don't want people think about

549
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 1: cook or a feather burner. Know, feather burner might be good.

550
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: You're helping people wake up from Look, we don't need

551
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: to get into it. So Richard wanted to reinvent himself,

552
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: just like he had on his study abroad. But he

553
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: was going to have to go further abroad than he

554
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: ever had before, because even in Rome they were calling

555
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: him the twelve a band he got gold. So he

556
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: decided that he would head to Spain, Portugal, Greece, Turkey, Egypt,

557
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: even Russia, and he was going to collect marble statues

558
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: and antiquities and items of historical interest in an effort

559
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: to reinvent himself as a scholar and an intellectual. In Egypt,

560
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: he would regularly see all these slave auctions and he

561
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: kind of got obsessed with the idea of buying a

562
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: young slave girl. He liked the thought of a young

563
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 1: woman being entirely under his control. But the prices were

564
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: too high. I'll say the prices were too high because

565
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: a lot of the girls that were on sale were

566
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: white and not black. No kidding, Um, yeah, they were

567
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,919
Speaker 1: at least very fair skin and white presenting worth more

568
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: quote unquote. I guess, jeez, boy, there's a lot to

569
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: unpack there. I mean, you know, you you dwell in

570
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: slavery too long and everyone is just awful everything about it.

571
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: There's nothing redeeming. So the prices were so high that

572
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: he instead purchased a young black boy as his page.

573
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: He was like, by jove, I'm gonna buy someone, damn it. Literally. Yeah,

574
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: he was like so obsessed with it. It was like

575
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 1: a collectible for him. I know, I previously thought Richard

576
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: was kind of a piece of ship, but now he's

577
00:36:55,160 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: like running shit. Um. Yeah. Not only that, it gets worse.

578
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: Richard also severely beat and mistreated this boy, and at

579
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: one point in Russia he stayed with some fellow Englishmen

580
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: named Samuel and the philosopher Jeremy Bentham, who you may

581
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: remember as John Locke's pseudonym in the last two seasons

582
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: of Lost. Of course, everyone immediately it was that home

583
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: you all remember. It was that whole mystery where after

584
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: when the Oceanic When when the Oceanic Six were off

585
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: the island and they couldn't figure out how to get back,

586
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: and they were all talking to each other and they

587
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: were like, uh, you know, you know, Jeremy Bentham told

588
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: us that we had to do this to get back

589
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: to the island. This is for another show. We're not

590
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: talking about Loss, I know, but I could. I would

591
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: love to challenge you to find a lost reference in

592
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: every episode of our show. Well, there was a lot

593
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: of philosophers names being dropped on Lost. So Jeremy Bentham.

594
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: Jeremy Bentham was a roommate of Sir Richard here, and

595
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: Jeremy wrote that their home was regular early rocked by

596
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: quote the lad's shrieks and agonies. Uh continues the quote,

597
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: he treated the poor boy with barbarous cruelty. Nobody could

598
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: be more wretched than he was in his master's presence.

599
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: Oh God, And that seems to be sort of the point, yes,

600
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: Sir Richard. I mean, why else would you become obsessed

601
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: with owning a person and having a person under your

602
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: complete control if it wasn't to treat them as badly

603
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: as you wanted and then couldn't leave you for a

604
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: better employment. And also Jeremy Bentham sitting there being like

605
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: this is absolutely terrible and apparently not putting a stop

606
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: to it. So I know better, Jeremy, Okay, I definitely

607
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: had that question too. I was like the people apparently

608
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: were very disgusted by his treatment of this boy all

609
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: through his the whole time he had him, and no

610
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: one said a fucking word. Oh this world. But much

611
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: like the tragic fate of Jane, who, if you remember,

612
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 1: was Seymour and George's illegitimate child together, this boy just

613
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: disappeared at some point and no one knows what happened

614
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: to him. You know, we can all hope that he

615
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: ran off to a happier life. It's possible that he

616
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: died or maybe even was killed again if we we

617
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: It's sometimes it really feels like Sir Richard killed that girl.

618
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: I'm like the fact that the two people closest to him,

619
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: his wife and his friend George, both thought that he

620
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: had it in him to kill their daughter, and then

621
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: when she died, they were like, yeah, he probably killed her.

622
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: I think he might have just treated this boy so

623
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: terribly that he died or got so you know, a

624
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: beating sucked him up so much that he never recovered.

625
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, speculation station, We don't know what Richard

626
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: is like, but only evidence points to a real piece

627
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: of work. In either case, this boy certainly wasn't with

628
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: Sir Richard when he decided by seven that it had

629
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: been long enough in his a broad journey that he

630
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: was going to come back to England. When he did

631
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: get back to England, he was accompanied by someone. It

632
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: was his housekeeper, which is a euphemism for a mistress

633
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: of an unequal social status. Her name was Sarah Smith.

634
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: So while Richard was away, Seymour did not have an

635
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: easy time of it. At the end of January three

636
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: and while she was still pregnant, George Bissett left her.

637
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: Damn George, but he had stuck with her for nearly

638
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: a year after this big trial. But it's clear that

639
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: she could never remarry as long as Richard was still alive,

640
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: and that he was never going to get her a

641
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 1: divorce and he needed a legitimate air for his own estate.

642
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: He may also have succumbed to pressure from his religious family.

643
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: Right whatever happened, their days were pretty much numbered as

644
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: soon as they found out that Richard was suing for

645
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: separation um and Seymour maybe sensed that, and that might

646
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: have been why she was trying so hard to miscarry

647
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: their second child, because she was like, if you're not

648
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 1: even gonna be here to help help me with this baby.

649
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: I don't know why I would carry it, I suppose,

650
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: And eventually George would marry a woman named Harriet more Daunt,

651
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: settled down as a justice of the peace, have two children,

652
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: and be remembered as an epitome of virtue. Good job,

653
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: George looks. Fore, it's the reinvention that Richard wanted so badly.

654
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: So in that way he got a bit of a

655
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: revenge on Richard. I think he did that. He did

656
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: get the nobody really remembered this whole sordid episode of

657
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: his past. But for now, Seymour was heavily pregnant, broke

658
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: and the loan, and Reuben Hold writes quote, while she

659
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: had chosen with defiant pride to where the epithet of horror,

660
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: as she had hung from her lover's arm, the true

661
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: meaning of the term only revealed itself to her in

662
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: his absence. Without him, Seymour faced the future where her

663
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: financial need, not her heart, determined who she would be embracing.

664
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: Oh so it was like almost like you've been playing

665
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: the part, but now you really got to know what

666
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: it's like, got to play the part. Yeah, I think

667
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: you can't. You've been caused plan as a sex worker,

668
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: but you don't really get what it's like in these streets,

669
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: and now she does. Yeah, it's sort of like the

670
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 1: new female coterie. It sounds really fun theory. But also

671
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: these were women who straight up had to kind of

672
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: just accept the advances of the richest man who was

673
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 1: interested as long as he was interested, and then they'd

674
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: get dropped like a bad habit and they'd have to

675
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: find another one. It's just a very unstable, uncertain existence,

676
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: you know, you couldn't really make plans. It's very shifting

677
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: sands kind of some things were sometimes it was great,

678
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: sometimes it wasn't. And I think for Seymour it all

679
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: seemed fine to have a man pay for your life

680
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: and not be married to him. But she was actually

681
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: in love with George and she really wanted to be

682
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: with him. But now she's like, oh, now I have

683
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: to just find a guy, and that's not really I

684
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: think that's not really her thing. This is wild, and

685
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and put it in speculation station um,

686
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: but I'm starting to think that just exclusively at this

687
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: exact moment in history, life for women was challenging, and

688
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: I don't just I'm I don't know I'm just it

689
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: just kind of feels like that way to me. Maybe

690
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm overstepping and maybe I sound crazy. You know, in

691
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 1: these day and age, I feel like just a narrow

692
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: window of time there and the very small part of

693
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: the world life for women might have been a little difficult. Yeah,

694
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: fortunately in every other country, every other time, totally fine.

695
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: Nothing specifically, I don't want to again. I'm not trying

696
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: to go too crazy, right right right, women of the world,

697
00:43:58,600 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: right in and let me know what you think of that.

698
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: Please don't please don't we know we're kidding sarcasm stations.

699
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: So Seymour was certainly Hella broke. She was running up

700
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 1: debts like crazy when she started seeing a man named

701
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: Isaac Buyers in three. He was a wealthy plantation owner.

702
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,479
Speaker 1: He had no society presence, so he kind of felt

703
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 1: like Seymour had all the connections that he would want

704
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: to like cut a dash in society. You know, she

705
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: still knows the Prince of Wales and all that type

706
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 1: of so he's like, great, You've got what I need. Plus,

707
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: she was pregnant, which meant he would be safe from

708
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: an illegitimate child like hit the jackpot over, I know,

709
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: right until she gave birth. No, since Seymour and Richard's

710
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: suit for separation had still not been decided, Seymour was

711
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: able to plead coverture, which was like a law saying

712
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: that a husband was responsible for paying his wife's debts.

713
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: But since Richard was abroad and nobody could get a

714
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: hold of him, how convenient, her creditors started harassing her.

715
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: They would knock on her door at all hours of

716
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: the night. They would wait in the street for her

717
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 1: to come out of her house. Uh, they would wait

718
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: by establishments that she frequented, and jump all over her

719
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: when she showed up. This was a total campaign of

720
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: intimidation and bullying that honestly would make anybody just lose

721
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: their minds. Was constant harassment. I was thinking about when

722
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: we had so much debt and our phones would just

723
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: ring a lot, and I'm so horrible and annoying and

724
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: anxiety inducing. And then I'm like, imagine if they were

725
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 1: just knocking every day, every any multiple times of day,

726
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: if every time you went out, they would jump out

727
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: of your freaking bushes. Basically like where's my money? You go?

728
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: You you try to go out to dinner just one

729
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 1: night and They're like, what are you doing here buying dinner?

730
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: You should be giving me that my money? Yeah, I

731
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: mean they do need to get paid, but come on, yeah,

732
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 1: I mean most of them. I feel badly because these

733
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: are probably tradespeople. Really, they were just some merchants like

734
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: like I need this wasn't like a predatory loan company,

735
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: and a lot of aristocrats didn't never pay their bills.

736
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: They would just place a bigger order and kind of

737
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: kick the can down the road, so that at some

738
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: point you had to be like really mean about it.

739
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: So I get it, but I'm also like, well, putting

740
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: myself in seymour shoes horrible. How can people who have

741
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: so much money are so good at never spending it?

742
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: That's how they have it. I didn't get rich by

743
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: writing a bunch of checks. So eventually, Seymour gave birth

744
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: to George's second child, but there is no record of

745
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: what happened to this baby. Finally, she and Isaac Buyers

746
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: fled to Holland and Belgium to escape her creditors, but

747
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: at some point in Belgium, Buyers left her, and no

748
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: one knows what she was up to from that point

749
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: until she returned to England. At this point she was

750
00:46:55,400 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: pregnant again and totally alone. This was five. Her creditors

751
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: immediately heard she was back and just jumped back on

752
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: their campaign of intimidation. Eventually, Seymour gave birth to this

753
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: little girl, and she fled the country again, and this

754
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: time she headed to rural France, and there she took

755
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 1: this baby girl. She found a local family somewhere out

756
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: in the in the countryside to raise this kid. She

757
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: was fairly common in the eighteenth century. Apparently, yeah, you

758
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: just went and found some poor couple somewhere who I

759
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: guess they were poor, but they could easily support they like,

760
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: we're struggling to have a child of their own. Somebody

761
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: comes in with a healthy baby and they're like, oh,

762
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: pas there, like you got so many, I mean, you

763
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: won't even notice her. Could be the opposite, yes, one

764
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: or the other. Another two hands for the farm sounds

765
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: perfect to me. How healthy is she? Milk a goat?

766
00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: You will. But France would be a per place for

767
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: Seymour to live, particularly Paris, because women were allowed a

768
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: sexual freedom in France that was highly unusual for English ladies.

769
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: As ruben Holt writes, quote, French society. Ladies would hardly

770
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: have batted an eye at Seymour's list of indiscretions, nor

771
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: entirely understood what had precipitated such a scandal in the

772
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: first place. A lady's good reputation in France was defined

773
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: by her skill at amorous intrigue, while the figure of

774
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: a virtuous wife was ridiculed and dismissed. Yes, I want

775
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: to live in that place. Sounds great. This sounds like

776
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: one of those times and places that was perfect for

777
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: women and they had no so no problem at all.

778
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: I know. I'm like, that's just a total different set

779
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: of problems, probably but certainly for someone like Seymour. She's like, oh,

780
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 1: y'all don't even know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I could.

781
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: I have to try hard to be to be crazy.

782
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,479
Speaker 1: Over here, they're like, people are mad about this, lover

783
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: you talk Helloa jokes drops myself. Ruben Holt actually name

784
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 1: checks our friend, Governor Morris, one of the people who

785
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: wrote about this extreme difference, and of course he did,

786
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: of course he did. Please if you haven't heard our

787
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: episode about Governor Morris, he's one of our favorite characters

788
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: we've ever done. Father. He's hands down the best founding

789
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: father there was. He was a very cool guy. Yes,

790
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: please check it out if you have not heard it already.

791
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: And actually he was. He was in France around the

792
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: same time as Seymour. Oh yeah, So I just like

793
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: to think about them maybe like seeing, you know, hanging

794
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: out a party and like flirting a little bit. Like

795
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't it be dope if you found out that they

796
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: had an affair? I would die. They did, I don't

797
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 1: think they did, but uh, we talked in that episode

798
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: about starting an HBO show. I was like, you could

799
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: do six seasons on Governor Morris, easy, amazing show, constant adventure, excitement,

800
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: really great characters. At the end of the part, hello,

801
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: we could definitely do another show about Seymour and Richard

802
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. And then there's our crossover episode.

803
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: So we've created a whole the Ridiculous Romance universe where

804
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: the same actress that plays Lady Seymour you see her

805
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: in Governor Or Morris and then you're like, oh my god.

806
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: Turns out the next season is about that bitch who

807
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: you thought was just a plain bit character but actually

808
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: perfect and then it's been off. Look, all I'm saying

809
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: is HBO executives of the world who are listening to

810
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: our show, please shoot us an email. We'd love to

811
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: get a ten show contract. We would love to sign

812
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 1: right away. It's half written already, Come on anyway. This

813
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: reversal of the roles made Paris a preferred destination for

814
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: the ostracized British lady who behaved badly, Brits who behaved badly,

815
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: Fritz behaving badly. That's the title of one of the

816
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: shows that we're going to do, Gotta be And Plus

817
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: France was going through an Anglo file phase at this time,

818
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: and so everything English was like all the rage except

819
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: their sexual behavior, except that they were like, we don't

820
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: want to co opt that, but like some of your

821
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: stuff is cool. Yeah, we love big clocks and tea.

822
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure the food probably was not probably a fashion

823
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 1: style and poured it over. Yeah, I think some fashion,

824
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 1: probably some art music, you know, stuff like that cultural thing,

825
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: dancing a dance all the rage in England, the dancing,

826
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 1: the wos at all Max of all places. So Seymour

827
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: would have been pretty warmly welcomed in France, and she

828
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 1: became friends with a Duke of Orleans and his whole circle,

829
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: and that's how she met her next protector, Joseph Bouland

830
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: or the Chevalier de Saint George. This guy also just

831
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: deserves his whole his whole own show on HBO. This

832
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: guy is amazing. He's super handsome, he's charming, he's an

833
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: amazing dancer, he's a champion fencer. Also he's a noted

834
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:26,280
Speaker 1: composer and conductor and violin player. He also he was black.

835
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 1: His father had been a plantation owner, but his mother

836
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: was a sixteen year old slave named Nanni who was

837
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: the wife's personal maid. So Daddy Boulogne actually recognized and

838
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: claimed Joseph as his own son and made sure he

839
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: got a really good education. But since Joseph was black,

840
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 1: that meant he couldn't inherit any titles or land, and

841
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: he was barred from marrying any lady in his own class.

842
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: But if you're watching Bridgetain and you think that's not

843
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: what they looked like, there were black aristocrats absolutely, and

844
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,760
Speaker 1: this guy was one of them. And I would totally

845
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: watch a show about him. It sounds like a hottie

846
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: reggae Jean Paige anyone right now, by his own talents

847
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: and virtues. This guy made a place for himself in

848
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 1: fashionable society. He even famously dueled at transgender champion fencer

849
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: named La Chevoliere. Don and Marie Antoinette frequently attended this

850
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: guy's concerts and operas. People called him Le Mozartoire, and

851
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: he actually was roomies with Mozart for several months in

852
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: seventeen seventy eight. Now you know that would be his

853
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: own season of his show. Start was a little troublemaker.

854
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: I feel like definitely could have gotten to some ship together.

855
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 1: That was Oh my god, Mozart was that real handful.

856
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 1: I can't wait for our Mozart episode right now. Either

857
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: Joseph was also a troublemaker or it was like an

858
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: odd couple situations. Either way, I'm in Joseph was like

859
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: real clean and proper, like Mozart stopped doing fart jokes

860
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: at dinner. Another name check. Also, one woman said about

861
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: Saint George that his powers of musical improvisation to use

862
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: only music to create a mood and a story was

863
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: comparable to her other favorite composer, actor Barlow. Another one

864
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: of our episodes, That's just a delight, Go check it out.

865
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: Another wild fucking story the things this guy did for

866
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: love composers. Man who knew the composers led artists? Okay,

867
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: but yeah, the Chevalier de Saint George sounds like a

868
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: super hot guy to be a mistress for. So good

869
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: for you, semur So. She's doing great in France, damnit.

870
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: But even so, she did return to London in because finally,

871
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: after five years, her and Richard's case for separation and

872
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 1: alimony was coming to an end. Richard Boo had succeeded

873
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: in overturning the six dred pound alimony, so he would

874
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: not have to pay that extra money to Seymore, but

875
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:09,720
Speaker 1: he did still have to pay all her insanely high debt,

876
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 1: and that meant that he had to sell his London

877
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 1: townhouse and everything inside it. I'm kind of laughing at Richard.

878
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 1: It feels like everything he wanted went terribly, went completely

879
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: the opposite direction. Like he's like, I'm not going to

880
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: give you what you want, which is a divorce. I'll

881
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: see you for separations. So she's like, let me run

882
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: up a quick bill and he you have to pay it.

883
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: Like I feel like he's playing himself at every I mean,

884
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: she outwitted him. And he was. He really let his

885
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: arrogance get the best of them, because, like we said

886
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: in part one, it was all about for him, it

887
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: was all just about not being wronged or injured. It

888
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: was like his pride was really what he was so

889
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: obsessed with. Yeah, and he was like, I'm socially this

890
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: and that, and I don't deserve this tree. You can

891
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 1: get over himself just trying to get one over on me.

892
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: I'll show you. And then he did something crazy stupid

893
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 1: and like if he had just divorced her, he'd have

894
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: every all this stuff, he'd be fine. He'd he'd have

895
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: his own money, he wouldn't have no wife in the

896
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: papers talking ship. I don't know what his problem is.

897
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: He wasn't think it's straight. So yeah, having to sell

898
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: his house and all that stuff in it, that was

899
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: yet another blow to Richard's enormously inflated a sense of ego. Um.

900
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: But also he got real worried that Seymour was going

901
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: to resume all her pranks and scandalous behavior and put

902
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: his name back in the papers and everything and ruin

903
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: all his chances of redeeming his reputation as long as

904
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: she was in London. So He included a clause that

905
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: Seymour had to leave England for four years, and if

906
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: she returned before four years was up, he could legally

907
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: withhold her pin money, which was again her only source

908
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: of independence, by the way, So that sounds crazy to

909
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: me that she signed that ship. Even Richard and Seymour's

910
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: lawyers both were like, this is not legal and I

911
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: can't do this. I'm assuming she probably just wanted to

912
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: go back to France. And I mean, I'm saying, I

913
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: wish someone would sue me and tell me you have

914
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: to go to Paris for four years, crying where's my

915
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: pen um? So yeah, I'm assuming she just was like, yeah, great, fine,

916
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: fuck England, I'll go back to France where they appreciate me.

917
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: And she was also probably just so done with like

918
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: all of Richard's little tricks, trying to keep them from

919
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: getting done with each other. For your vacation from you

920
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: by But the French Revolution was close and we will

921
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: find out how that affected Seymour right after these words

922
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: welcome back everyone. So for the next few years, Seymour

923
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: lived in Paris. The Chevalier de Saint George was no

924
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: longer in her life, but she took up with another

925
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: duellist named Dick England, which ironically to me sounds like

926
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: a very American name. Dick England. Here he was a

927
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: different type of duelists. This some siting thank some aluminiums

928
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: England's aluminum sake, Dick's big cars, what off Highway nine,

929
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: Dick England's Mini Coopers. Now he was a different kind

930
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: of duelist. This guy used pistols. She probably met him

931
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: years before through the Prince of Wales, but he had

932
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: fled England after killing a man in a duel. So

933
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: thanks to her friendship with the Duke of Orleans, they

934
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: established a Pharaoh table at the Palais Royal Pharaohs, a

935
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: gambling card game that was very popular at the time.

936
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: But Reuben Holt points out that Seymour was still writing

937
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: pretty desperate letters to Richard's bank asking for money, so

938
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: this whole gambling table thing might not have been as

939
00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: lucrative adventure as they had hoped. But everything changed in

940
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: seventeen ninety two when the fall of the Bastille Herald

941
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the French Revolution. Seymour's friend, the

942
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: Duke of Orleans, was legit anti monarchy. This guy was

943
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: on the people's side, so to speak, and he rebranded

944
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: himself as Philippe e Galita. But they didn't take that

945
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: side switch from him. He ended up on the guillotine anyway. Yeah,

946
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: and it's not known where Seymour was during this time,

947
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: but it's very probable that she was imprisoned during the

948
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: Reign of Terror as the Duke of Orleans. Mistress Grace

949
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: Dalrymple Elliott kept a journal during her imprisonment, and she

950
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: wrote several times about this mysterious friend that we think

951
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: was probably Seymour. Yeah, like the timelines add up and

952
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: stuff like that, so they're like, she never said her name.

953
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: She called her by a different name, but they're like,

954
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: I don't think it's probably Seymour. Also imprisoned during this

955
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: time was Josephine Boharne, who was the future wife of

956
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: Napoleon Bonaparte. Just a real who's who in this prison,

957
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: his prisons and who's who of ladies um And again

958
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: it's not known where Seymour was exactly during this time,

959
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,439
Speaker 1: but she was not in England in April of sev

960
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: when her and Richard's son Robert unexpectedly died at only

961
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: nineteen years old. This is so sad. I mean, poor Seymour.

962
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: She had one kid, she has not seen him since

963
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: he was five years old, and probably not allowed to

964
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: see her. Then she had a kid who died, another

965
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: baby who died. Two babies she had to give away.

966
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: Like just feels tragic. And then of course Richard, it's

967
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: probably a big blow for him too because it was

968
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: his only legitimate child as well, so that was he

969
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: was supposed to inherit. Everything was supposed to have kids

970
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: and carry on the Worsley name, the worse than Sly name.

971
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: But he's got nobody. While Seymour was locked up in Paris,

972
01:00:55,520 --> 01:01:00,040
Speaker 1: Richard was still working on his reinvention, his lifelong project. It.

973
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: I guess he had gone on this extensive trip. He

974
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: had picked up a lot of art and antiquities and

975
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: paintings and everything, and now it was time to show

976
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: the world a new and improved so Richard Wellesley patron.

977
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: So he wrote a book called Museum. Worsley ad him.

978
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: I know, right, it's so pretentious. He apparently spent a

979
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: lot on the binding and it looked real fancy. It

980
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: was like extra large, so you had to like make

981
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: it a display book, and not just a regular book anyway.

982
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: He really went in on it the humble Sir Richard.

983
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: It was a book describing his travels and included like

984
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: copper plate illustrations of all his collection, his collectibles and

985
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and it was not meant to be

986
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: sold in bookshops. His intention was to put it directly

987
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: in the hands of people he wanted to impress or

988
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: get in with academic types and the right people. And

989
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: he felt so strongly about it that when he discovered

990
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: that a copy he'd given to a friend as a

991
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: gift was up for auction at Christie's, he bought it himself.

992
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:06,479
Speaker 1: That's how sty he was, like, I don't want any

993
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: stranger to get this one, um, And it did go

994
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: to a fair way to redeeming him socially a little bit.

995
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: He got a diplomatic position in Venice in sevent thanks

996
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: to his extensive knowledge of Italy, who was on the

997
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 1: brink of war with France, so England was like, we

998
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 1: really need some some ear to ground over there. The

999
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: Seymour didn't come back to England until seventeen nine seven,

1000
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: and she was a different woman when she returned because

1001
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: everything that she had lived through in France. I mean,

1002
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: you know, obviously she gets there in its whole different culture,

1003
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: but then she's going through poverty and the revolution and

1004
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: the baby she had to give away and the death

1005
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: of her son. This drained a lot of that sassy

1006
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 1: energy that she had when she left the country. She

1007
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 1: was also seriously ill with what was called an inflammation

1008
01:02:56,560 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 1: of the lungs. And the only good news about out

1009
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: this was that it led to a reconciliation with her family.

1010
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: That perfect sister of hers, Jane and and her mother.

1011
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: They went to see her, and Seymour wrote to Richard Stewart, quote,

1012
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: you will now be glad to hear that I am

1013
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: restored to the love and regard of all my family.

1014
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 1: They have all been to see me, and they are

1015
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: all goodness to me. Think what happiness I must feel

1016
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: at an event that I have so long wished for.

1017
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: I mean, and it had been fifteen years since she

1018
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: had seen them, after all, right, and since the trials.

1019
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, it's been fifteen years. You did

1020
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: something crazy. But her friends again, yeah, how long does

1021
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: it take? I like that? She said that, you know,

1022
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: I've been dreaming of this reunion for so long, and

1023
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: think how good it must have felt that it went well,

1024
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: because I'm sure she's imagining all possibilities. They're gonna hate me,

1025
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna not they're gonna tell me to funk off,

1026
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: they're gonna make fun of me the whole time, or

1027
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: something to treat me inferior, and we along great. It

1028
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: was so great to be in my family. We forgave

1029
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: me for you know, any dirt that got tossed onto

1030
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: them because of what I was doing. In fact, um

1031
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 1: Jane and the Earl even took Seymour to stay by

1032
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: the sea for her health. And they were so respectable,

1033
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: the two of them, that just being seen in public

1034
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: with them helped repair Seymour's reputation. Even Richard's own relatives

1035
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 1: were willing to receive Seymour, like, if the Harrington's are

1036
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: scorting her about, she must have just thrown those traces off.

1037
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: And it's fine. Now we're we're all thinking of Steve Harrington.

1038
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: I know I'll never hear the word Harrington again without

1039
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: thinking of it. Was like the Earl of Harrington. I

1040
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 1: hope he had some good hair. Can I just throw

1041
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 1: out for our audience, who are probably big Steve Harrington

1042
01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:00,040
Speaker 1: fans out there, I just want to say that O

1043
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: Carry is one of the nicest people I've ever met.

1044
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: That actually is awesome. He wrote. He wrote me a

1045
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: list of recommendations for restaurants while I was in l A,

1046
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: just saying, just saying, wow, I couldn't find a single

1047
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: one of them, but I'm sure they were. He's like, yeah,

1048
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: a write a list of recommendations Tony's yeah, right, he

1049
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: just made a bunch of like Donut Palace, Joe's Cafe. Wait,

1050
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: that's me Jake's Cafe. Oh no, is he an asshole?

1051
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: All right? Different Harrington's. Seymour actually wrote after meeting with

1052
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 1: her family and spending time with them, quote, I really

1053
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: think one of the greatest blessings is being beloved by

1054
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 1: one's nearest and dearest. True. Just a nice sentiment to

1055
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 1: take after all the years of everything she'd been through. Yeah,

1056
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 1: I mean you could see that the steadiness of the

1057
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 1: people around her would be extremely valued by her because

1058
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: she does. Again, she's got these guys. They're kind of

1059
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: in and out, and Richard sucked so hard, Like who

1060
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 1: what is? Who does she believe in? Now? Of course,

1061
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 1: Seymour is still Seymour. Okay, so she had just learned

1062
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: to be a little more discreet. Okay, Okay, that is learning.

1063
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 1: That is learning. She did probably didn't want to do

1064
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: anything to jeopardize her newfound relationship with her family, so

1065
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 1: she lived in a property that was left to her

1066
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: by her father, Mr. Fleming, and that had been divided

1067
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: into three houses, so she lived in one, her friend

1068
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: Grace Dalrymple Elliott lived in the middle house, and then

1069
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 1: the third was rented out to various fast types of people.

1070
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 1: So maybe not the right type okay, And Seymour actually

1071
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: had a fling with one of these neighbors. His name

1072
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 1: is Colonel George Porter, and he actually later married Seymour's friend,

1073
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: Lady Henrietta Grosvenor, another member of the new female coterie,

1074
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: even though Henrietta was eleven years older than George Porter.

1075
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 1: So get a girl, um. And then Seymour had her

1076
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: own real love affair, Jean Louis Hummel, a Swiss singer

1077
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 1: with a family background in trade. Now, Jean Louis was

1078
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: not wealthy, uh, Seymour was in her mid forties and

1079
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: old enough to be his mother, but their relationship still worked. Now,

1080
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 1: maybe Jean Louis was just like cool, she's got money,

1081
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 1: her husband's old. If I hang out long enough, she

1082
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: might leave me some I don't know, but apparently they

1083
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 1: got along really, really well. Meanwhile, Richard had to flee

1084
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: Italy when the Venetian Republic fell to Napoleon in se

1085
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 1: and he came back to the Isle of Wight, where

1086
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: he became more and more antisocial. Can't blame him to

1087
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 1: be honest. Accompanying him to and from Venice was his

1088
01:07:55,880 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: quote unquote housekeeper Sarah Smith Reuben hold right quote. Having

1089
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: traveled with her lover from England to Venice and braved

1090
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 1: the perilous journey by sea and land back to the

1091
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 1: Isle of Wight. Mrs Smith was undoubtedly a most dedicated mistress.

1092
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: It is hard to imagine that anything but a genuine

1093
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: love held the two together, which is a nice thought

1094
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 1: for Richard to have a true love, I guess, But

1095
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: I also wonder if she's of unequal social status, she

1096
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: might just be like, follow the money, I'll go wherever

1097
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:29,679
Speaker 1: the money is. I mean, I don't like to cast

1098
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: dispersions onto Mrs Smith, but if John Louis can be

1099
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,679
Speaker 1: suspected of loving Seymour for her money. I think Mrs

1100
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 1: Smith also, can I guess I just like, yeah, good

1101
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: for her whatever. She married a potential child murderer and

1102
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:48,719
Speaker 1: a known racist and slave owner, so they can both

1103
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 1: Maybe she's they could be a truly in love because

1104
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 1: they were both running ships that found exactly at last. Now,

1105
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 1: when Richard did flee Venice, he'd had to pack up

1106
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 1: a separate ship with his antiquities and his art and

1107
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 1: all the paintings he'd purchased while he lived there. But

1108
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: unfortunately for Sir Richard, the ship that held most of it,

1109
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 1: the Robert Pattison. That was the name of the ship,

1110
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 1: Robert Pattison en bat bat bat Well, this ship, the

1111
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: Robert Pattison, was ransacked and all the valuable stuff inside

1112
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: was held to ransom, and Sir Richard is like, oh fine,

1113
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 1: I guess I'll take some of my money and pay

1114
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 1: off this ransom. But guess what must much of this

1115
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:40,959
Speaker 1: collection was stolen anyway, and so his obsession with collecting

1116
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: only grew stronger now since he didn't have an air anymore,

1117
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,639
Speaker 1: his only chance at a legacy that wasn't about him

1118
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 1: helping another man peep on his wife was to go

1119
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 1: down in history as an impressive arts patron. He was

1120
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: digging a real financial hole with all these acquisitions, though,

1121
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 1: and all these dubious art dealers, they smelled a sucker.

1122
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:03,919
Speaker 1: They were like, here's a man who will do anything

1123
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 1: to increase his collection. He don't even have to see

1124
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 1: the thing. So he bought a ton of paintings from

1125
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 1: this one guy, only to have his bankers remind him that, hey,

1126
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 1: you don't actually have enough money for that purchase, so

1127
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to turn around and sell all those

1128
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 1: paintings at a loss. So he lost money on both

1129
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 1: ends of the transaction. A lot of the art that

1130
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 1: he bought he never even got to see once. It

1131
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 1: was just just flushing money down the toilets, throwing good

1132
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:37,640
Speaker 1: money after bad. When Sir Richard Worsley died of a

1133
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: stroke in eighteen o five, he left his estate in

1134
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 1: so much debt and disarray that it took twenty years

1135
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 1: to work it out. But the faithful Mrs Smith was

1136
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:53,879
Speaker 1: provided for. He left her two hundred and fifty pounds

1137
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: a year, which is a little under pounds so grand,

1138
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 1: which is considerably less than the six hundred pound alimony

1139
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 1: he was going to be paying out Seymour. So it's

1140
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 1: not like I mean, I guess he didn't have that

1141
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 1: kind of money anymore. I guess pounds of year is

1142
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 1: probably the best she's going to get. Yeah, I guess.

1143
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 1: So it was the nice of him to think of her,

1144
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 1: I suppose, yeah, yeah, right, And although he never knew it,

1145
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:27,560
Speaker 1: his collection of marbles and Greek antiquities was completely overshadowed

1146
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 1: when Lord Elgin, another famous cuckold and a future subject

1147
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: of ridiculous romance, brought his collection to London. Everyone's talking

1148
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:42,679
Speaker 1: about the Lord Elgin collection, Lord Elgin's models, But Sir

1149
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 1: Richard's death, what's exactly what? Seymour had spent years waiting

1150
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 1: for everyone's like, finally because now she could shake off

1151
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 1: his stupid name and get her dang dang fortune back.

1152
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 1: So less than a month after he died, Seymour aged

1153
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 1: forward seven married Jean Louis hummel Age by royal license.

1154
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: She resumed her maiden name of Fleming, so she was

1155
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 1: Lady Seymour Fleming once again, and Jean Louis changed his

1156
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:15,919
Speaker 1: name to Fleming as well. Yeah, I guess in deference

1157
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 1: to her greater wealth or something like what's humble mean nothing?

1158
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 1: She got her enormous widows jointure that we talked about

1159
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 1: in the first episode. That was guaranteed and they got

1160
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 1: married and everything. So she got that money. She was

1161
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 1: able to live in comfort and stability once again, after

1162
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: so long of the shifting sands of poverty. And not

1163
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: long after all that happened, she got a visitor, a

1164
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 1: secret visitor. Remember when Seymour gave away that daughter to

1165
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 1: a local family in rural France. Well, Charlotte was her name,

1166
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,560
Speaker 1: and she had grown up and gotten married by this day,

1167
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 1: and her husband filed a claim in court saying that

1168
01:12:55,920 --> 01:13:00,599
Speaker 1: Charlotte was legally entitled to serve Richard's fortune as well

1169
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: as Seymour's fortune because she was their child, because he

1170
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 1: was unaware of the facts of the matter. No, no, no, sir.

1171
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 1: You see the whole reason I drop this girl off

1172
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 1: with you because she ain't okay, we do not know

1173
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 1: her daddy is okay. You can make up somebody if

1174
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: it makes you feel better, but you cannot apply for

1175
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 1: his money. N Sure, go ask him for some money,

1176
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: and I'm telling you he won't give it to you.

1177
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 1: So you know this might seem like, oh, I just

1178
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 1: came into money, and now people knocking on my door. Obviously,

1179
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: but after having lost so many children, Seymour was just

1180
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 1: really happy to reconnect with one. She said, great, yeay, Charlotte,

1181
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to see you again. And she settled

1182
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 1: a thousand pounds on Charlotte, and she promised to leave

1183
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:54,640
Speaker 1: an additional three thousand pounds to any of their children.

1184
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 1: So that is nice. I think that's nice. At least

1185
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:58,680
Speaker 1: you can do if you drop a baby off in

1186
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 1: a farm somewhere, right, like, all right, I didn't have

1187
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 1: a fortune at the time, but now I do. And yes,

1188
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 1: I think you just saved them of it. And it's

1189
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:08,759
Speaker 1: nice that she got to reconnect with one of her babies.

1190
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 1: I think that was probably a very serious source of

1191
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:15,799
Speaker 1: sadness for definitely, definitely now. As soon as the armistice

1192
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 1: happened in eighteen fourteen, Seymour was like, I'm getting hell

1193
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 1: out of England. I'm done with this place. I'm going

1194
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 1: back to Paris. She was among the first to relocate.

1195
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 1: In eighteen sixteen, she and Jean Louise settled in Passy,

1196
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 1: and that's where she was living when she passed. Away

1197
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 1: in eighteen eighteen, at sixty one years old, just shy

1198
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 1: of her thirteenth anniversary. She has a tomb at Pere

1199
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 1: la Chaise which has this, uh kind of cheeky inscription.

1200
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 1: It says, quote, yes, thou shalt be obeyed nobody, not

1201
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 1: the quote of of Lady Seymour's life. You know, maybe

1202
01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: she meant like, you'll be staying that to me right.

1203
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 1: Reuben Hold writes that of all of Seymour's lovers, Jean

1204
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 1: Louise stuck beside her the longest. And maybe people think

1205
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: that it was just the promise of what he inherited

1206
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 1: that made him so loyal. And it's true that he

1207
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:16,719
Speaker 1: was a very wealthy windower. He had his own land,

1208
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 1: and he was now styled Baron Fleming, just quite a

1209
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 1: leap from his start in life as the stepson of

1210
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 1: a stocking manufacturer. I know, I think this is hard

1211
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 1: for me to grasp as an American, because our whole

1212
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 1: culture is about starting from nothing and getting to the top,

1213
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 1: and it's like not a common story necessarily, but it's

1214
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:38,679
Speaker 1: supposed to be achievable, whereas in this time and place

1215
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 1: it was not. If you were a manufacturer, you were

1216
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 1: never going to be a lord. That is not a

1217
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:48,679
Speaker 1: thing that you don't jump that line actually already have it. Yeah, exactly.

1218
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 1: So it was quite quite a quite a leap in life,

1219
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:54,600
Speaker 1: I guess for him. But Reuben Holt thinks that his

1220
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:57,719
Speaker 1: respect and all of his affection for Seymour was genuine.

1221
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 1: She writes quote, he hoped that posterity would remember them together.

1222
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: He may have been the only person to do so.

1223
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 1: His final request was to be buried alongside my dearly

1224
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:13,759
Speaker 1: beloved first wife, Lady Seymour Fleming, a woman of whom

1225
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 1: he had never been ashamed. Well, I like that, I

1226
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 1: like that. I'm glad Lady Seymour experienced some true love

1227
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 1: in her time. It's always nice. It wasn't kind of

1228
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 1: result in a criminal conversation. Several of our stories that

1229
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 1: we've told that are like someone's just chaotic life, ups

1230
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:35,640
Speaker 1: and downs, crashes and burns, like just this that and

1231
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 1: the other lovers comeing and go and getting jilted, and

1232
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 1: then they finally find someone who's just like, hey, I

1233
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 1: love you, let's hang out. That's always nice to be like,

1234
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 1: all right, I'm glad you found somebody eventually, And for

1235
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 1: a lot of people. It's just like, you know, you

1236
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 1: find happiness and being like I don't need all that

1237
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 1: and I'm happy alone or whatever. That's a story too.

1238
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 1: But for some of these, like for Lady Seymour, I'm

1239
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 1: glad that she got someone who really cared about her

1240
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 1: and stuck with her. Yeah, definitely. She kind of reminded

1241
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:07,599
Speaker 1: me a lot of Colette, because Collette, of course shitty

1242
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 1: first husband, uh, moving on to other lovers, constantly being

1243
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 1: left and you know nobody. You know, people's kind of

1244
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 1: being like I'll take you up for a while, but

1245
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: you know, not for me forever or anything. And the

1246
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: new the you know, when she got older, she met

1247
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 1: Maurice and she had a true love for many years

1248
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: who stuck by her and really cared. So I was like,

1249
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 1: there you go, go to France. I guess if you

1250
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 1: need to find a lover, France. So yeah, that is

1251
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 1: the story of Lady Seymour. Fleming and Sir Richard Worsley

1252
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 1: beautiful and oh yeah, and good old George. I feel

1253
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 1: bad for George a little bit. I mean it feels

1254
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:51,679
Speaker 1: like he did he did love Seymour and probably would

1255
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 1: have stuck around had there not been all as legal,

1256
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 1: I think, so, you know, stuff blocking him basically. I mean,

1257
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:01,639
Speaker 1: it sucks that he had to leave, but you kind

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Speaker 1: of see where he didn't really have a choice. It's like,

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Speaker 1: if I want any kind of life exactly, it gets

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Speaker 1: to go. Yeah, there's only so long I can party

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Speaker 1: with the Prince of Wales before kind of like okay,

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Speaker 1: but I also need to like pay for things, get

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Speaker 1: a lady to run my household and have babies and

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Speaker 1: so on. I mean again, life life is different now,

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Speaker 1: you don't need all that ship. So her George could

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Speaker 1: have probably lived happily after after, but not not at

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Speaker 1: that time. So yeah, he really kind of I feel bad.

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Speaker 1: I think he totally would have married her if if

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Speaker 1: if Richard had given her a divorce, I think they

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Speaker 1: would have gotten married and probably would have very little

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Speaker 1: episode to say about them. But that's not what happened.

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Speaker 1: Richard decided to go down in history and will perv

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Speaker 1: Thanks for the Thanks for the two partner, Richard. Yeah, thanks, Richard.

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Speaker 1: It's the longest part you ever gave anybody. Well, so

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Speaker 1: so glad to share this with you all. I hope

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Speaker 1: you enjoyed it. Yeah, tell us what you thought of

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Speaker 1: sir Richard and Lady Seymour. You know, if you would

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Speaker 1: have hung out with the new female Cotore a fancy brothel,

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Speaker 1: definitely got drunk on champagne in the middle of the afternoon.

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Speaker 1: I would have the straight up having mimosa brunches and

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Speaker 1: plan and gambling. Oh yeah, oh yeah, so yeah. Let

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Speaker 1: us know what you think. We always love hearing from y'all.

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Speaker 1: want to keep doing it. So listen to the song.

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