1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sandy and Samantha and about some stuff 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: I never told you production by Heart Radio, and today 3 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: we are bringing back a classic on pirates, women and 4 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: Pirates because it's Woman's History Month and we were trying 5 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: to find some good history episodes. We actually Kristen and 6 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: Caroline did do a similar episode and way back past 7 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 1: host Kristen and Caroline and then Bridget and I did 8 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: one related so this is a popular topic. 9 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 2: I mean, and then friend of show Holly, yeah, we 10 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 2: did crimin Elia that that was a part of their book. 11 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 3: Yes, so yeah, and it is fascinating, it really is. 12 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 3: So please enjoy this classic episode. 13 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and all good with 14 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: stuff I've never told you. 15 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 3: Production of iHeartRadio are madies? 16 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I said the G A Janny and are you 17 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 2: glad I began no that way. 18 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 3: So Samantha and I have a beefy. 19 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: I think it's R just a HR because my initials 20 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: are a h R. And also it makes that joke 21 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: rated R work, so your G H and R doesn't work. 22 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 3: It ruined joke. 23 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: Everyone's like, well, today is not the day for this one, 24 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: but clearly lost it. 25 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 4: But yes, I did put it in there, so hot there. 26 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: But if you've been listening to some of our recent 27 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 2: episodes that you know we've been a little over excited 28 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: about all of the badass where you have some of 29 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 2: the most notorious women in history, whether they're change makers, soldiers, spies, assassins, 30 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: or just all together badass women, and we've decided we 31 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: need to expand that to women pirates of history. Yes, 32 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 2: so I do have a question for you, Annie, Oh, 33 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 2: pirate related question, yes, because pirates have been pretty romanticized 34 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: in general. Do you have or either a fond memory 35 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 2: of a pirate character or one that you love or 36 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: have watched recently. 37 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 4: You're welcome. 38 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: Oh no, this is actually kind of embarrassing, but I 39 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: suppose I'll admit it. So I was in high school 40 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: when Pirates of the Caribbean came out, and this was 41 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: the height of my emo face, which, as many of 42 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: you might know, involved Guideliner of course, and Johnny Depp 43 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: or very epic Guideliner in that movie. So I was 44 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: a big fan of that, and I really didn't like 45 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: Will Turner Orlando Bloom's character. But the reason this is 46 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: so obviously for reasons now in our what's going on 47 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: with him modernly, but also at the time, I was 48 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: in drama and I got in really big trouble once. 49 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: I can't remember why, but I had to write this 50 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: essay about my favorite actor, and I wrote about him, 51 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: and I'm embarrassed to this day. 52 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 3: It's just because I had a crush on him. 53 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 4: Well, to be fair, you're not the only one. 54 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 2: Johnny Depp took the hearts of many, especially like my 55 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: generation when we saw him and What's Eating Gilbert Grape 56 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: Big Thing, Try Baby was one of my favorite movies. 57 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 4: So no shame, no shame in that. 58 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: But yes, of course there's a lot of things asterisk 59 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: to his name today, but we will imagine that every time. 60 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 4: I think of Pirates. 61 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, this has everything to do with the fact that 62 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: I was a daycare center worker. 63 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 4: Is the stupid veggie tails. 64 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: The veggie the Pirates song, I'm the pirate that doesn't 65 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: do anything? 66 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 4: I am a pirate? Did that do anything? 67 00:03:59,160 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: Oh? Wow? 68 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 3: Everybody remember that in their head. I'm absolutely don't. 69 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: But I you know, I've seen still images of vet 70 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: details and I remember Pirates. 71 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 3: Yes. 72 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: So I worked at a church, local church that had 73 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 2: a daycare and of course this was one of the 74 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: favorites of the children, and I really wanted I hated 75 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: it after the fact, like there are moments of like, oh, 76 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: that's cute, and then oh, this is creepy, and then 77 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 2: why it just became a why. But I also love 78 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 2: like Peter Pan Hook is probably one of my favorite 79 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 2: movies growing up, and I have memories of that. So yeah, 80 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: I think, like, even though we don't see them today 81 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: as much, maybe I'm wrong because I did fall out 82 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: of love with like Pirates of the Caribbean, and we 83 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 2: know they have a very long like sequel thing as well. 84 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 2: They have plenty of parts to it. 85 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 4: Is there any recent pirate movies out? 86 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: I think there's been a recent I know Margot Robbie's 87 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: going to be in the next Pirates of the Caribbean, so. 88 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 4: It's still going okay, oh yeah. 89 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: And obviously, as we're talking about this, listeners, you're probably 90 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: picking up on there aren't many female pirates in our entertainment. 91 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: But I know I never saw it, but it was 92 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: another Peter Pan adaptation, and Brunie Moraw was a pirate 93 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: in that. Well. 94 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 2: I told you about the Gina Davis movie with Matthew Modine. Oh, 95 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 2: who's from Stranger Things. 96 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 4: Yes, you do, Yeah, you do. 97 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: He was the father figure and Stranger Things the first season. 98 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: That's Matthew Modine. 99 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 3: He must not have made any impression on me, apparently. 100 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: I think he's coming back for the newest season because 101 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 2: he was such an epic bad guy. 102 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, you go back to it. 103 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 4: He was a big eighties nineties guy as well. 104 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: But I remember Cutthroat Island specifically because she was the 105 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 2: main character as the pirate, and we didn't see too 106 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: many And apparently some of the women that we are 107 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: going to talk. 108 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 4: About did have their own movies, but we just I 109 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 4: don't think it hit the claim that it could have. 110 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 3: Right, didn't become the cultural touchdown. 111 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: I bet that some of these were going to talk 112 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: about going to be HBO series or something soon. 113 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 3: They should be, they should be. 114 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,679 Speaker 1: Okay, So before we get into specific women, let's talk 115 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: about history of the Pirting World. 116 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 3: A brief history, A very brief Yes. 117 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: Yes, the Pirting World is much like most of our 118 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,239 Speaker 1: historical episodes, and that in a lot of ways, it's 119 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: very romanticized, and so we have a lot of tales 120 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: that are splashed with legends and facts so our info 121 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: is a bag of like a grab bag of that's 122 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: what is said to have happened. And it's really hard 123 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: to verify those things, right, because there's a part, like 124 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: when we were talking about with spies and assassins, there's 125 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: the legend is a key part of it. You want 126 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: to build this refutation as a pirate, and when we're 127 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: talking about women in history, even less unfortunately has been recorded, 128 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: but the legends and tales do go on, and we 129 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: would be remiss if we didn't share those with you, Cheryl, 130 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: that we know about them. 131 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 4: Or the small things we know about them. 132 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 133 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, So let's do a definition because we love definitions 134 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 2: of piracy, which, according to the Guinness World Records, is 135 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 2: the act of attempting to board a ship with intent 136 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 2: to commit theft or any other crimes, with the apparent 137 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: intentions to use fource to achieve that end. 138 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 4: Very nice little definition. Also record. 139 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I had a specific thing because I wanted 140 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: to know about the early histories and though the likelihood 141 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 2: of pirates existed when like the beginning of the existence 142 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 2: of boats, the first recorded pirates, according to the Guinness 143 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: World Book of Records, date back to the fourteenth century BCE, 144 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: and according to the Egyptian records, it was when the 145 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: Lukon pirates raided Cyprus in the Eastern Mediterranean. 146 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: Of course, some of the most notable tales come from 147 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,239 Speaker 1: the period of the Golden Age of piracy. 148 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 3: Makes sense. 149 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: The Golden Age was dated to be around the seventeenth 150 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: and early eighteenth centuries. There were thousands of pirates roaming 151 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: the seas at that time, and some of the most 152 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: famous pirates of all time, including Blackbeard and the Captain 153 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: William Kidd, were roaming the sea during this period as well. 154 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 2: Right, But we're not talking about them, of course not. 155 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 2: We are talking about the famed women of the sea. 156 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: And the list was bigger than I thought, so we 157 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,239 Speaker 2: decided to pick a handful and dig a bit deeper 158 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 2: in their individual stories. 159 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 4: So let's get started. 160 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: So let's start with Sayita Alhara. Her name translated to 161 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: lady who was free and independent. I like that. Saita 162 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: was born in fourteen eighty five and was a part 163 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: of a prominent Muslim family. After fleeing Morocco when Christian 164 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: invaders fernand and Isabella conquered her land, she allied herself 165 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 1: to Turkish pirate Barbarossa of Algiers, and she was a 166 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: very savvy leader, improved herself as her husband's vice governor 167 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: of Tetwan. After her husband's death and he was the 168 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: governor of Tetwan, she was accepted by the community as 169 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: the ruler. She also accepted a marriage proposal by the 170 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: sultan of the Moroccan Watison dynasty and became queen, but 171 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: it was said she would not travel to him to 172 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: be married, so he had to make his way to her. 173 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: I like that too, and some believe she did this 174 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: as a sign of refusal to give up governing Techwan. 175 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: Of course, this leads up to her being the last 176 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: pirate queen. Her desire for vengeance pushed her to connect 177 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: with pirate Barbarossa of Algiers, Yes, which helped her to 178 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: acquire a lot of booty as a pirate herself. But 179 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: it wasn't just that she pillaged and plundered, but that 180 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: she was well respected as queen of the Mediterranean and 181 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: helped organize and negotiate the release of Christian captives and 182 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: Spanish and Portuguese captives. And though she was pretty successful 183 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: both on the sea and ruling the Tetwan, she was 184 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: overthrown by her own son in law in fifteen forty two. 185 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: Not much is known about her after that time, but 186 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: some say she accepted her defeat and retired to Chefshawan 187 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: until her death. 188 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 2: Right and as we have another queen for our famous pirate, 189 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 2: Queen Tetua of Illyria, who was one of the earliest 190 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 2: recorded with pirates ever. She became Queen regent in two 191 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 2: thirty one BC after the death of her husband Agron 192 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: due to his air still being an infant, and she 193 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 2: continued her rule following her husband's expansion policy for their kingdom, 194 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: and to do this she used her forces to use 195 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: piracy to dominate Illiria's enemies and caused quite astir. 196 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 4: From the Roman Empire. 197 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 2: She was known for her fierce stance against any and 198 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 2: all ships and ordered her crews to treat all ships 199 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 2: as enemy ships so they were not kind and under 200 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 2: her reign, her pirates dominated the Adriatic Sea, quote terrorizing 201 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 2: the trade route of Greece and Italy. She was able 202 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 2: to attain quite a bit of wealth as well as power. Eventually, 203 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 2: the Romans had to intervene as many tradesmen and voyagers 204 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 2: complained of the continued siege and set ambassadors for a 205 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: diplomatic meeting. This didn't end so well that some of 206 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 2: the ambassadors were killed and several were imprisoned, which ended 207 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: up starting a war between Roman and Illyria that lasted 208 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 2: from two twenty nine BC to twenty seven BC. Queen 209 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 2: Tetua was eventually forced to surrender. Of course, again, not 210 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 2: much is known after her surrender, but it is said 211 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 2: that she lifts several decades out. But there's another version 212 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 2: of which it states that she threw herself off the 213 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 2: cliffs of razon present day Montenegro rather than surrendered to 214 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 2: the Romans. I like that version. It just seems really 215 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 2: like tragic. A Roman tragedy, right, tragedy. It's like a 216 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 2: Roman tragedy made the happen. Man. 217 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 1: Come on, come on, well, we have some more very exciting, 218 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: possibly tragic to cover. But first we're gonna falls to 219 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: a quick break for word from her sponsor, and we're 220 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: backpicking sponsor. And next we are talking about a pirate 221 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: queen or perhaps chieftain, but this time from Ireland. Grace 222 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: O'Malley or I'm going to attempt Gaelic name here, Gronya 223 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: ni moya I hope I got something. 224 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 3: Close to what it is. 225 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: She was born in County Mayo around fifteen thirty to 226 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: the elected Chieftain Dudara O'Malley of Umhall Kingdom. She had 227 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: grown up on the sea as her family was a 228 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: seafaring family. When she was told she couldn't join her 229 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: father on his expeditions due to her long hair, that 230 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: it would get caught up in the ropes or something 231 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: all the ship, she cut it off and demanded to 232 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: be allowed to join, and she was allowed. She eventually 233 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: married to Donald O'Flaherty, the heir of another chieftain, and 234 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: they had three children together. When her husband was murdered 235 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: by a rival clan, she took over her husband's ships 236 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: and his land, and with the loyalty of some of 237 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 1: her husband's men, she took to the sea and began 238 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:58,599 Speaker 1: her pirrating career. Just imagining that conversation with your parents, 239 00:12:58,640 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: like what do you do? 240 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 3: Pirate? 241 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 4: I'm proud? 242 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 3: IM sure? Yeah, I bet. 243 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: She was a fierce pirate and was not hesitant in 244 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: getting revenge and vengeance against her enemies. That also sounds 245 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: like a common theme throughout these stories. And even immediately 246 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 1: after giving birth to her son Tibbot. She rallied her 247 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: crew to fight against their enemies. Though she had many 248 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,479 Speaker 1: run ins and close calls, including being captured and imprisoned, 249 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: she always returned back to the pirate world and even 250 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: met with Queen Elizabeth I, who they were at the 251 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: same age. The Queen even released her back to quote 252 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: maintenance by Land and Sea and allowed her to continue 253 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: in her piracy and released her son who had been captured. 254 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: She was also named O'Malley, the Chieftain of Mayo. She 255 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: died in sixteen oh three, the same year as Queen Elizabeth, 256 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: and her legacy is still told. Obviously, we're talking about 257 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: it right now and talk about. 258 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 2: Yes, And then we wanted to move on to Rachel Wall, 259 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 2: who is an American and not so much royalty, but 260 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 2: she was one of the few female pirates from America 261 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 2: and she was born Rachel Schmidt to her Presbyterian parents 262 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: in Carlisle, Pennsylvania in seventeen sixty. She eventually moved to 263 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 2: the waterfront around the age of sixteen because she had 264 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 2: fallen in love with the sea. Obviously, she eventually married 265 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 2: a fisherman named George Wall and they moved and settled 266 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: down in Boston, but at one point George leaves her 267 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 2: when she decides that she becomes a maid to you know, 268 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 2: live on her own and take care of herself. But 269 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 2: then he returns and quote entices her to a life 270 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 2: of a bad company. As she wrote, the couple began 271 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 2: their pirating life in seventeen eighty one when they stole 272 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 2: the vessel Essex off the New Hampshire coast. They disguised 273 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 2: the ship to look like it had been damaged and 274 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 2: would wait for passing ships, and when these ships would 275 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 2: come up to rescue them, they would storm the. 276 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 4: Other ships and rob it. 277 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 2: Overall, they are said to have robbed at least twelve 278 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 2: ships and possibly killed twenty four sailors. 279 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 4: Oh they were pretty fierce. 280 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 2: However, that following year, George drowned in a storm and 281 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 2: raised return to Boston. There she kind of continued her 282 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 2: little bad ways, I guess, to rob doc ship as 283 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 2: well as she would get repeatedly arrested for theft. Eventually, 284 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 2: she was arrested for highway robbery after stelling a woman's bonnet, 285 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 2: and she was soon tried and convicted of her crimes 286 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 2: and eventually hanged at the age of twenty nine. Also 287 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 2: of note, she was the last woman to be hanged 288 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 2: in Boston. 289 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, she stole a woman's bonnet. That's how they 290 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 3: got her. Yep. I mean it's all very tragic and 291 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 3: just not what I was expecting. 292 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: Okay, let's move on to one of the best nicknamed pirates, 293 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: Back from the Dead Red. 294 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 3: She's excellent. 295 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 4: Yes, I love it excellent. 296 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: Also known as Jaccatte du laing Dulaia was born in 297 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: the seventeenth century, a daughter of a Frenchman and Haitian woman. 298 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: Her mother died in childbirth and her father was murdered, 299 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: which left her to care for her brother, who was 300 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: said to have some type of brain damage and needing 301 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: extra care. At a young age, she began her adventure 302 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: and pirating. She earned her nickname because it is said 303 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: that she had to fake her death to escape the 304 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: government in the sixteen sixties, at which time she pretended 305 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: to be a man for several years. She came back 306 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: after the heat died down, and that's how she got 307 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: this this wonderful nickname. Back from the Dead Red of 308 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: course read being a reference to her very noticeable hair color. 309 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: At twenty six, she and her crew took over a 310 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: Caribbean island, naming it the free Booter Republic, and it 311 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: is here she would meet her and while defending the island, 312 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: she was involved in a shootout that ended her life. 313 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: This is one of those entries who some argue that 314 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: she may just be a legend and actually doesn't exist. 315 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: But there are those who argue she had a child 316 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: who also became a pirate and a fear swordsman. You 317 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: know mystery's history. As I like to say, yes, the 318 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: story is great. The nickname is wonderful. 319 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 4: I love the nickname so much. 320 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 3: That's pretty much why she's here. 321 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:08,719 Speaker 4: Yes, I'm not gonna lie. 322 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 3: We we had to. 323 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: We do have a few more for you listeners, but 324 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: first we have one more quick break forward from our sponsor, 325 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: and we're back. 326 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 2: Thank you sponsor, and we're back with our next pirate, Qingshi, 327 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 2: and a quick shout out to listener Kelly who brought 328 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 2: her to our attention and sent us a copy of 329 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 2: the poem written about her, which by they we're going 330 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 2: to do a little read for you. So ching Shi 331 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 2: was originally known with Shi Zengu, who married a notorious 332 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: Chinese pirate, Zingyi or Chinghai his fleet called the Red Fleet, 333 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 2: made up of three hundred chips and head up to 334 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 2: possibly forty thousand men. Now, she Changshi, was a prostitute 335 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 2: in a brothel in Canton, where she met E and 336 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 2: married him in eighteen oh one. After the death of 337 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 2: her husband Ching She which means by the way, widow 338 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 2: of Chang, so there you go, took control of the 339 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 2: fleet with the help of her husband's adopted son, Chang Pao, 340 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 2: and they continued their reign of power, growing the fleet 341 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 2: they say to possibly eighteen thousand vessels and up to 342 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 2: eighty thousand crew members, to say the least. She was 343 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 2: a fierce leader who was feared by the British, the Portuguese, 344 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 2: and the Qing dynasty, and her crew was kept under 345 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 2: her control. She definitely made sure that they followed her 346 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 2: laws and rules. One of her rules including deaths by 347 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 2: decapitation for the rape of female prisoners, or ears being 348 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 2: chopped off if you were caught deserting, So don't do those. 349 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 2: So apparently she had a pretty intensive list of things 350 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 2: to follow. 351 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 4: And they sure did. 352 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 2: And she was so powerful she became a huge problem 353 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 2: for the Chinese government as in fact, in order to 354 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 2: stop her. They enlisted the help of the British and 355 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 2: Portuguese navies to capture her. Of course, she, being very 356 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 2: savvy negotiator, was able to wrangle in an agreement which 357 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 2: she could surrender but would only kneel in reference to 358 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 2: being married. So, because when you surrender you're supposed to 359 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 2: kneel in front of them whatever whatnot, she decided. 360 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 4: I'm not gonna kneel for this. 361 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 2: I'll kneel out of respect because you're going to marry 362 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 2: me to my companion, who was the adopted son of 363 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 2: her dead husband, Ching Powell. So she then was able 364 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: to get a pretty good deal and retire with all 365 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 2: of her loot and a full pardon. So she did 366 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 2: pretty good. So she died at the age of sixtey 367 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 2: nine in our sleep. But because she was the reason 368 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 2: we wanted to talk about all these pirate women and adventures, 369 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 2: we wanted to do a dramatic reading of a poem 370 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 2: that was actually the reference from our listener, Kelly, thank You, 371 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 2: which is The Fragrant Maiden is China's Must Wanted, which 372 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 2: was written in twenty eighteen by Kay Ming Chang. 373 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 4: So if they ever hear this, I'm so sorry if 374 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 4: we butchered it, do our best. 375 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: So fragrant maiden is China's must wanted, this country's least 376 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 2: wanted girls and ghost gods. I wasn't born cannonbald out 377 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 2: of my mother. I hollowed her breast into Boatso China, 378 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 2: my country, my sore, my loyal leash. 379 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: You aren't the first to say you want me on 380 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: my back at the brothel, I was born most wanted, 381 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: China's best whore. When the midwife I sirened, I lamped 382 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: my bones, and the boys mothed to me, said woman, 383 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: I've got to have you. Have you like a river. 384 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 1: I have no memory of being named. I flood anonymous, 385 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: I rinse canton like my rice. Bulb that I am. 386 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: I bark into a tree. 387 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 2: You can't a country wants me like a man wants 388 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 2: his mother. A mouth to eat out of bullet holed breast, 389 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 2: sprays a meadow with milk, gross heads of cabbage clients. 390 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 2: Brothel mothers beat me with brooms, whip me with my 391 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 2: own braid. 392 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: I belt a sea song. I sacked my body to 393 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: steal it back. Listen to my masked moan as it 394 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: makes a wind to marry I sail home to you, China. 395 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: Hear the short shark with teeth and eat you out 396 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: to sea. I stroke my sword, I fingercomb your beach clean. 397 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: I split like the sea. 398 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: I'm room enough for every man to drown inside me 399 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 2: to China. Say you want me, I'll come with a 400 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 2: fleet to follow you. Oh oh, yes, I'm coming. I'm coming. 401 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 2: I'm coming for you. So good, so good. And I 402 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 2: really hope we did that justice because it was a 403 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 2: beautiful poem. Yes, and reading it is a little more difficult. 404 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: Yes, It's been a long time since I've dipped into 405 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: the world of poetry, and I might be a bit rusty, 406 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 1: but yeah, it's an excellent, excellent poem. We did want 407 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: to include some honorable mentions for Anne Bonnie and Mary Reid. 408 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: Any of you who are familiar with the world of 409 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: women in Pirates, you're probably. 410 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 3: Like, why didn't they talk about them? 411 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: It's because Bridget and I did an episode a while 412 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,959 Speaker 1: back on women who dressed as men to get what 413 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 1: they wanted, and we talked about them, and to this day, 414 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: Virgitte and I asked like, who should play them in 415 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: an HBO adaption? And I still will randomly get tweets 416 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: about who, and Tessa Thompson is almost always one of them, 417 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: so yes, you can check out that episod for more. 418 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: But certainly they had fascinating histories. Also, Sadie the Goat, 419 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: who was an American pirate in the nineteenth century. Sadie 420 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: Ferrell got her nickname for her infamous style of mugging 421 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: people in the streets of New York City by squirly 422 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: headbutting them in the stomach like a goat. She and 423 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 1: her crew pillaged up and down the Hudson and Harlem rivers. 424 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 2: Right, and just to go back to an Bonnie and 425 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 2: Mary Reid, although if you'll go back to listen, Yeah, 426 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 2: they're both part of the Calico Jack's crew and they 427 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 2: were known for their impressive fighting skills, out doing some 428 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 2: of their counterparts. 429 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 4: So they're pretty good. And they also were not hanged 430 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 4: when the rest. 431 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 2: Of the crew were because they were able to say 432 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 2: that they were pregnant and so they were able to kind. 433 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 4: Of escape that fate. Although Mary Reid I do believe. 434 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 2: Ended up dying in prison. Yeah, nonetheless, But yeah, so 435 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 2: there you go. Extra honorable mentions. 436 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: We always got to right, we can never stop, Yes, 437 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for sending us that poem and putting 438 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: this on our radar. It was a fun one to 439 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: dig into, and as always, listeners, we love getting suggestions 440 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: from you. If you have any ideas of topics we 441 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: should cover, or any pirates we missed, please send them 442 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: our way our email, Stuff Media mom Stuff at iHeartMedia 443 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: dot com. 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