1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: At least. He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: Williamson on Home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 3 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: Welcome back, I'm Dale Lowey here with Matt Williamson. This 4 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. Matt. The Steelers 5 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: players announcing today that much like many other teams, um, 6 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: they're not planning on taking part in some of the 7 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: optional voluntary workouts. I don't know the most fans care 8 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: about it. I would think not. I mean, I guess 9 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: it's a maybe people are reading this that there's there 10 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: up to like ten or eleven teams that aren't gonna do. 11 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: It'll probably end up being none. They probably end up 12 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: being done. Yeah, I'm sure the players union will get 13 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: in touch with their but like, why don't we just 14 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: all sit this one out? They are voluntary for one 15 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: at this stage. The rookies obviously aren't involved. This is 16 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: pre draft. I mean, this is people need to understand 17 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: what these things really are. Um, it's weightlifting, it's maybe 18 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: some positional drills, but not too many. A lot of 19 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: times coaches aren't even involved this stuff. I mean, it's 20 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: just what they what they have. These four are for 21 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: the guys who have workout clauses and their contracts. You 22 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: get a bonus for that, and the league has said 23 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: that they're not gonna pay if the if the players 24 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: don't show up for the for these O t a s, 25 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: they're not going to pay those those bonuses. Yeah, the 26 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: bonuses aren't gonna get paid. So I think that was 27 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: a big reason a lot of these were invented, where 28 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: we don't want our guys getting fat and out of shape. 29 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: But you know, yeah, it used to be that, you 30 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: know different When I first started covering the team, you 31 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: didn't see the players from the end of the season 32 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: until the opening of Mini camp. Wow, the O t 33 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: a s didn't start. I'm not even sure of the 34 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: real date, but I'm thinking it was like maybe late nineties, 35 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: early two thousand's when they actually started having some of 36 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: these offseason workouts the team, you know, and the team 37 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: was involved in them because outside of that, I mean, 38 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: but it this way. There are players right now every 39 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: day who are down at the Steelers facility. It's working out. 40 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: They're in they're working out, they're under contract, they're in 41 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: there working out. They're part of the team. Uh, you know, 42 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: I know when we talked to Zack Banner a couple 43 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: of weeks ago. He's like, yeah, I'm in the you know, 44 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,839 Speaker 1: I see choops in there. I see this. These guys 45 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: are income but the strength condition coach isn't in Hawaii. Also, yeah, right, 46 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: they're seeing these guys. You know, Uh, this is the 47 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: world is so much smaller now too, and people don't 48 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: get fatten out of shape like back of the eighties. 49 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: It's not a good idea, right, I mean, you're gonna 50 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: get exposed, and there's too much the at stake. And 51 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: you know you talked to Tounch and Wolf and those guys. 52 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 1: We got we got in shape and at training camp, 53 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: which is why they had eight weeks of training camp. 54 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: You know, they grinded us and we were you know, 55 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: we didn't. We weren't in shape when we got there. 56 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: We were when we left, you know, like boot camp. 57 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: That's the world. That's why like the conditioning drills that 58 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: they do, they have the conditioning test at the start 59 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: of every camp around the league, like they're obsolete now 60 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: to anybody fails. That is like I remember be like 61 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: a big deal on the news. I'd watch it when 62 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 1: I was like ten years old. Who who who failed? 63 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: Who didn't, you know, because people come in trubble or whatever. 64 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: Everybody passes him now, right because they've been working out 65 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: with the team all year. I mean some of those 66 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: things are obsolete. I bet they're kind of just you know, 67 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: uh minor roadblocks. You know that nobody cares about um. 68 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: But the Players Association didn't want these things in the 69 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: cb A last year, but caved on it. The O, 70 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: T A S and stuff they wanted. They wanted things 71 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: virtually in some ways there they benefit either side that much. 72 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: In some ways, they're kind of using the pandemic as 73 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: an excuse, like, well we can get you know, we 74 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: didn't do it last year and we gotta you know, 75 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: but if they all voted ten years ago, they might 76 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: have been like, let's sit this one out. Yeah, because 77 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: they don't gain much. And again they're volunteering now, you know. 78 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: I know we would have voluntary open gyms for basketball 79 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: when I was in high school year round, but you 80 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: went because if you didn't go, you didn't want to 81 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: be the one. Yeah, like what am I lead? Don't 82 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: want to be the guy who showed up? Just okay, here, 83 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: this is the first mandatory practice. I'm gonna come rolling 84 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: in for the first time. Hey, coach, how you doing? 85 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: I mean, similar to my time with teams. One of 86 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: my least favorite things for those five years or so 87 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: was it could be a downtime of the year on 88 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: a Tuesday and I my work was done, but I 89 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: would sit there for another hour. So I don't want 90 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: to be the first one to leave, right, you know 91 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like it's too much testoster in the room. 92 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: You don't want the head coach to walk by and 93 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: have an empty officer. Everyone has to work hard all 94 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: the time, and like, I'm not doing anything. I'm done, 95 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: you know how I can watch Walter Jones again or whatever, 96 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: But time to go home. I did this all year. 97 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: You know that kind of stuff makes me crazy. Yeah, 98 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: so I get it. But again, I don't know how 99 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: much most fans care because it's not the we're not 100 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: the media is not even allowed in for most of 101 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: these yeah right right, so you know, miss wouldn't be 102 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: broadcasting if you're not missing anything, they're not. You know, 103 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: it's more like just check in and see whe're at. 104 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: I haven't seen you in a while, stopping. Hey, we're 105 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: thinking about installing three or four new things in the 106 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: mac Canada offense or stressing them more or something like that, 107 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: or things are these are things that you can do 108 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:42,239 Speaker 1: in a zoom call now um right. At the same time, 109 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: it's you know, for most players it's probably not a 110 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: big deal. But for for like if I was a 111 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: guy at the end of the roster, guy, yeah, and 112 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: answer your new team in particular, or even like a 113 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: Curtis Marsh Yeah, I'm gonna be there. I wanna get 114 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: to know the coach. I want to pick his brain 115 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: a little bit to see what he likes, what he 116 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: doesn't like. And oh, by the way, this is before 117 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: the draft. If I blow him away, maybe they won't 118 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: drafting outside the cracker in the third round where they 119 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: thought about or you know what I mean, like my 120 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: last impression for put a stake in my job type 121 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: of deal which brings me to rookie minicamp. Do you 122 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: have any fear that that's not going to happen? None? Good, Okay, 123 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: this isn't the start of things, and oh no, we 124 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: might not have training camp or you know, I don't 125 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: feel that way because we're getting I don't even know 126 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: what the numbers are now. But it's let's say it's 127 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: three million people a day vaccine um, so two more 128 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: weeks from now, yeah, you know, and now you're up 129 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: to these people in the organization and you buy two 130 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: more weeks from now, you've vaccinated another I don't know, 131 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: fifty million people, right, you know, what point is? What point? 132 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: Are we at their level? Here? Where time to get 133 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: back to normalcy. If they didn't have rookie minicamp, I 134 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: would be concerned. I think there's some value to rookie 135 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: Absolutely the first time these guys get fitted for their 136 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: pads and everything after you I mean, you go out 137 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: in New Kay. This is your first look at the 138 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: new offense, and here's how we do our drills and 139 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: all these things you don't that you don't want to 140 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: be doing the first two or three days of training 141 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: camp because you're just you know, this is using your 142 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: time in mini camp that to show these guys, Okay, 143 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: here's how we do this drill. You know. Yeah, exactly 144 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: as I say, like the tempo of practice, Like let's 145 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: use Devin Bushed an example. We all want to see 146 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: him run around and boy he looks athletic and all that, 147 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: but you also don't want him taking the running backs 148 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: head off on the first play because he's trying to 149 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: impress people. We saw that a couple of years ago 150 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: when the when the Raiders were on uh Hard Knox 151 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: and John Abrams is out there knocking guys around and 152 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: training and Groodens like, hey, no teammates love that, but 153 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: this this is our teammate here. This is in nineteen 154 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: and you know, we we we understand your physical player, 155 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: you know, but rookie mini camps, there's something to be 156 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: said there not to mention all those undrafted guys at 157 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: least get to get some reps. Yeah right, they actually 158 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: get some attention from a position coach um letter. You know. 159 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: A lot more are mock drafts continuing to roll out here, 160 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: and I think we're gonna do a final one for 161 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: the Steelers as well here. Yeah, we'll do that from now, yeah, 162 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: about a week from now. But and we'll do another 163 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: one here in the next segments, as we like to do. 164 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: But it seems like a lot of people are finally 165 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: settling on the fact that the Steelers are likely to 166 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: take a running back in the first round. Yeah. I mean, 167 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: you and I have we dig in pretty heavy more 168 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: than you know, and we've specialized on one team, of course, 169 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: but even I was just on with Stan Savern and 170 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 1: he's like, who could take one ahead of the Steelers? Now, 171 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe the Dolphins, maybe the Jets, but they 172 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: need so many other things. I mean, if Atlanta trades 173 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: back to from four to where Washington picks, could they 174 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 1: take Naja Harris? Maybe? But it lines up pretty darn 175 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: well for one to three of them to be available 176 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: at twenty four. Yeah, if not later. You know, I've 177 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: had people ask me, well, what happens if you know 178 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: Harrison and a t N are gone at twenty four? 179 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: Do you do you take Williams there? Like Harrison? There's 180 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: I don't see any way possible that Harrison a t 181 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: N are gone at twenty four. Right, There'll be a 182 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,599 Speaker 1: lot of shuffling around boards. Nobody trades up for a 183 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 1: running back. I mean, like, what team's gonna trade to 184 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: twenty three to get ahead of the Steelers to take 185 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 1: a running back. I mean, the biggest obstacle to me 186 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: of running back at twenty four is does the Steelers 187 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: value that position enough to do it? I mean, would 188 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: they pass on Jenkins or Jamie Davis or Davin Collins? 189 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: And just say we don't value running backs enough to 190 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: do it. But as you mentioned, many times they're offseason, 191 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: they've addressed every other position except except that. I mean 192 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: they're telling us. I mean, it's it's not it's not 193 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: real difficult to read the tea leaves. However, I mean, 194 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: if they don't take one at twenty four and we're 195 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 1: sitting here on that Friday preview in the second round, 196 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: they might look at and think we can get one 197 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: in second even, you know, I mean they might think that, 198 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: or it might not take as much to get to 199 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: the twelve pick in the second round and we already 200 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: have something locked up. Maybe I'm just thinking of how 201 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 1: the first pick is not a running back. The last 202 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: time the Steelers took a running back in the first round, 203 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: it was Richard Mendenhall in two thousand eight, Mike Tomlin's 204 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: second year working with Kevin Colbert. He was the twenty 205 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: third pick in the draft. They're picking this year. I 206 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: mean and left bells and I mean, by running back standards, 207 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: an early pick, yeah, I mean, they're not, they're not. 208 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: It was in that draft that year, was the third 209 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: back off the board or something like that. It was 210 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: the second back Giovanni Bernard was first. They took him. 211 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: They passed it. They passed on Lacy and everybody went 212 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: not so could you pass on any h Yeah that 213 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: seemed all right. Speaking of Bell, I see more and 214 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: more similarities with him and Harris as receivers. Yeah, I 215 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: mean they are. Harris has unusually long arms, its huge wingspan. 216 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,719 Speaker 1: He's just scratching the surface as a receiver. Bell was 217 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: a good receiver at Michigan State, but not like he 218 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 1: was because he was he was a different player, diferent. 219 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 1: I mean, he was thirty pounds heavier. I think they 220 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: see a lot of similarities saying we can detach this 221 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,599 Speaker 1: guy and run slants and goes and all kinds of 222 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: stuff against linebackers. We know he can hand it to 223 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: him and he can run the football. We know that. 224 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: And frankly, I think he's a better runner at this 225 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: stage than Bell was. And yeah, bells got Bell broke 226 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: out after he lost weight and found who he was. 227 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: But I think they see a lot of similarities in 228 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: the two. If you look at those drafts, since they 229 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: took Bell, they didn't take well, they took a run. 230 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: They took Dree Archer in the third round he did. 231 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: He was more of a they're not gonna hand him. 232 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 1: He was more of a piece, yea, a weapon. Uh, 233 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: they didn't take a running back in they didn't take 234 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: a running back, and this is when Bell was the 235 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: best back in the league basically and getting tons, but 236 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: then used the hundred. Williams still on the team at 237 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: that point. Uh, he was on those those two years, 238 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: fourteen and fifteen, So then he was gone. I'm sorry, Uh, 239 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: fifteen and sixteen, fifteen and six because four team was 240 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: was when they had the Garrett Blunt. So seventeen they don't. 241 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: They don't bring D'Angelo Williams back. Bell's now a veteran 242 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: running back at that point. Coming up. Uh, so they 243 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,719 Speaker 1: draft James Conner with the hundred and fifth pick overall. Yes, 244 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: it was a third round pick, but it was the ninth. 245 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: It was a it was a compic, you know, it 246 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: was deep into the comps. So he was not It 247 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: was essentially a fourth round draft pick. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, 248 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 1: he's a top hunter player, but barely yeahs off the board. 249 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 1: That was a really good running back lass absolutely Yeahen 250 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,599 Speaker 1: they then doubled down again. They take Jalen Samuel's in 251 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: the fifth round again, though not as the Bell cow 252 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 1: and even on here I'm looking at I'm looking at 253 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: draft history dot Com and Jitalen Samuels was listed as 254 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: a tight end and they were wrong, and he guess 255 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: he worked out with the tight ends at the combine, 256 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: which screwed everybody up. But he was never never a 257 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: tight end, a Bell replacement or a Connor replacement. Right, 258 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: he was closer to a dre Archer dype pick. Yeah, 259 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: they think Benny Snell with the yeah pick overall again 260 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: not a high draft pick. However, I think these past 261 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 1: two years, Snell and mcfarr what you're mcfarl McFarland was 262 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 1: in the draft those fourth round. Guy. You know, if 263 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: you you're on draft history dot com, can you do 264 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: me a favor instead of sorting by team, could you 265 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: distort by running backs? Because I do think these past 266 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: two years to your point, that they're not afraid to 267 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: use high picks on backs. I think they wanted to, 268 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: or were certainly had intentions to. They knew they were 269 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: going to draft the back. I'm not saying Snell and 270 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: McFarland were consolation prizes or they didn't like them but 271 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: there was a thin last year in particular, there there 272 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: was a big run on those running backs in the 273 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: second round. That and I would say the year before, 274 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: like when Alexander Madison was going and you know we 275 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:08,719 Speaker 1: did all these that was the third round run. There 276 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: was a big run in the third round. Yea, that 277 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: were they This didn't fall the way they wanted because 278 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: I think they would have used a day to pick 279 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: on the back one of these last two years and 280 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: the drafts didn't go that way for so last year, 281 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: Clyde Edward Hlayer goes thirty second overall. The next of 282 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: the next uh, thirty picks because A J. Dial first, Yeah, 283 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: A J. Dillon went at sixty two. So you're talking 284 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: thirty picks. There were six running back steaking, seven running 285 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: backstaking seven money were gone when Claypool picked. When the 286 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: Claypool pick rolled around, Uh you know, Taylor was gone, 287 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: Swift was gone, Acres and Dobbins were the top guys 288 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: availing dil Wo and they chose Claypool over them. Yeah, 289 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: which made perfect sense. That doesn't mean that they wouldn't 290 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: have taken Clyde Edwards, hilar DeAndre Swifter or Jonathan Taylor 291 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: ahead of Claypool. But it may have very well had 292 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: those guys rated ahead of him, but it didn't work 293 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: out that way. But it was a pretty deep draft class. 294 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: They knew they were going pretty much outside linebacker in 295 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: the third round was penciled in. Yeah, with the pre situation, 296 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: so I knew they we all knew they were gonna 297 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: take a back and McFarland still the book is we 298 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: don't know that, we don't know, but there you know, 299 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: after he was taken or after you had Dylan Zack 300 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: Moss went in the third round, he was somebody, uh, 301 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: then Derrington Evans, then Josh Kelly, then la Michael p Ryan, 302 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: and then Anthony McFarland went. But let's say Claypool goes 303 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: one pick ahead of where the Steelers do. That very 304 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: welcome to Ben Dobbins. Yeah, absolutely, I mean that's who 305 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: I'm locked to him last year. I mean, like they're 306 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: not afraid to use their first pick in the draft 307 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: on the back in Josh Jacobs was the first draft 308 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: or back drafted a pick four by the way, m 309 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: similar to where obviously where it could go this year, 310 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: exact same pick. If the Steelers take one, then there 311 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: wasn't a second round. Nobody went in the second round 312 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: until Miles Sanders went at fifty three. Those were the 313 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: top two backs taken. Then you had Darryl Henderson in 314 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: the third, David Montgomery and the third Devin Singletary and 315 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: the third Damien Harrison, the third Alexander Madison in the third. 316 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: They were all pretty lumped together, right, Like, I think 317 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: the Steelers wouldn't have mind getting involved. Those guys went 318 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: from pick seventy to one oh two. But if seventies, 319 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: seventy three and seventy four were Henderson, Montgomery, Singletary, Okay, 320 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: I remember there was a run. There were you and 321 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: I and most people thought at that point most of 322 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: those backs would have been fourth fish, maybe even fifth rounders, 323 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: and they went in the third. Everybody just assumes backs 324 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: are gonna fall, And here's the thing, they haven't fallen 325 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: as much of people think. If you look at that group, 326 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: you said, well, you know, Henderson, Montgomery, Singletary, Harris Madison, 327 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: they're all decent at backs. They're not Josh Jacobs, No, no, no, no, 328 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: right they're not. They're not Miles Sanders, no, absolutely not. 329 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: Like those are your top two backs. I mean, you know, 330 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: so Merril Hodgson's Biles Sanders is the most talented back 331 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: in the league. He might be. I mean, like he 332 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: can't he can't stay healthy. He's got a lot going 333 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: for him. Right. If we go back to the teen draft, 334 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: say Kuon Barkley number one, it goes first second overall. 335 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: He was the best running back prospect I've ever seen. 336 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: Rashad Penny went at twenty seven. That that was a 337 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: listening to a different segment about Seattle's GM. Yeah, nobody, 338 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: nobody else takes. The Patriots took Sony Michelle at one 339 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: bad pick, but a lot of injuries. Yeah. I like 340 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: Michelle a lot coming out of Georgia, but he's been 341 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,719 Speaker 1: very injured and for some reason they don't throw them. 342 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: Nick Chubb went at thirty five. Imagine if the Patriots 343 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: had taken Nick Chubb instead of Yeah, absolutely, and it 344 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: was four picks. There were four picks apart early early 345 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: second rounder. I think the Chubb is the best runner 346 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: in the league. Yeah. Something somebody who on my message 347 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: board the other night, Well, Nick Chubb wasn't a first 348 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: round draft pick. He went thirty fifth overall. It's not 349 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: much different if he went thirty seconds, very high pick 350 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: and not a receiver, and not a receiver. Ronald Jones 351 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: went thirty eight that year um Kerrie and Johnson went. 352 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: I really liked him too, and he's had massive injury problems. 353 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: You know, if you could pry him loose from the 354 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: Lions for something that would be worth a if your 355 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: dogs check out. I think he's got shattered knees or 356 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: something there could be. Then you're looking at Darius Geiss 357 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: at fifty nine. Well, he's that hasn't worked out. Royce 358 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 1: Royce freemanut seventy one, not so good. Uh, Nai Behinds 359 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: at one oh four. He is what he is, He 360 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: is what he is. He's not on every down back. Yeah, 361 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: Mark Walton from the Bank and went to the Bengals, 362 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: Edo Smith at one six, who just got cut yesterday. 363 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: And then Calm Balage who we're supposed to like him 364 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: now but I still don't. Chase Edmonds went at one 365 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: thirty four to the Cardinals. But is he in every 366 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: down back? So you just name like everyone drafted from 367 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: Chubb to Edmonds? Is there one hitting there? Maybe Ronald Jones, 368 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: I guess you could say is kind of is. But 369 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: if the Steelers, the Ronald Jones will still be drafting 370 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: running back. He's not the answer. He's not. He's not 371 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: in every down back, Like I mean, they brought four 372 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: Net and you overt ar back this year with Ronald Jones. 373 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: So my point is, what does's get it back in 374 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: round four? That logic doesn't hold up. No, it doesn't. 375 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: It may hold up for a year. You may you 376 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: may catch lightning in a bottle for a year. I 377 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: mean two years ago people just said, well, Sony Michelle 378 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: has a hit. Yeah, he's not. He's not. He's not 379 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: at all. I mean, he wouldn't shop me if he's 380 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 1: not in the league in a year. Yeah, Like Aaron 381 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: Jones is a hit, right, he's one. That's legit. Let's 382 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: look at the seventeen draft, which this is a great draft. 383 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: This is a great year for running backs history, historic. Yeah, 384 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: four Net was the fourth overall pick. He's actually the 385 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: worst one of the top guys. Christian McCaffrey was the 386 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: eighth pick, Dalvin Cook was the forty first pick, ninth 387 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: pick of the second Joe Mixon was pick that one 388 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: was Henry Kareem Hunt. I'm sorry. Camarow came went after 389 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: Mixing at sixty seven, Hall of Famers and potentially yeah, 390 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt went at eighty six, then Dante Foreman, Uh, 391 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: James Conner went at one oh five, Soma j p 392 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: Ryme when it won fourteen, Tarik Cohen when it won nineteen. 393 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: Is what he is. He's kind of like the conversation 394 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: Joe Williams when a story about Jannah stand on the 395 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: table for Joe Williams. Danille Pumfrey went to the Eagles 396 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: at one thirty two. Wasn't Marlon Mack in that class? 397 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: We're getting there? Oh? I was thinking, yeah, um, Jamal 398 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: Williams when it won thirty four, and he's fine, He's fine. 399 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: Wayne Gallman went at one forty who's still available in 400 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: for agency? Marlon Mack went at one forty three injuries, 401 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: Ryan Hill at one, Jeremy McNichols at one sixty two 402 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: to the Bucks, t J. Logan at one seventy nine 403 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: to the Cardinals two was Aaron Jarons. Now I'm gonna 404 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: hear to tell you right now. Chris Carson went that 405 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: year as well. He Chris Carson was the pick. You 406 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: see all those others, You see all those other misses though, 407 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: it's not like these were the only guys taken and 408 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: they went in order, Like if the if the Packers 409 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: had known that there that Aaron Jones was Aaron Jones, 410 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: they used the third round pick on here, the fourth 411 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: round pick that they used on Jamal Williams on him 412 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: or something higher. And they don't take three running backs 413 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: in that draft. They were throwing crap against the wall 414 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: and hoping something stuck. I mean, basically, yes, you can hit, 415 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: because they took Davante Maze in this in the seventh 416 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 1: round that year as well. Three. I mean, they weren't 417 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: sure of any of those guys. Um, yes, you can 418 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: find midden late round backs, but not nearly as easily 419 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: as it money tend to think. And there are examples 420 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: of James Robbins, like what you're you're talking about Leonard 421 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: Fournette being a bust. Leonard Fournett's been a thousand yard back. Oh, 422 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: he's making millions, He's making millions. He just helped the 423 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: Buccaneers win a Super Bowl, like it was he he's 424 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: a bust at the fourth overall pick. If he'd have 425 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: been they pick in that draft, you do you feel 426 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: a little bit better about it? All over the Steelers 427 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: is a jack. I mean he's had some high moments um, 428 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: but that that pond had the most fish in it 429 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: and big ones of any running back lass we can remember. 430 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: And still some people went fishing and didn't get a 431 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: right there back. But the early ones were pretty unsuccessful. Yeah, 432 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: it's really hard to mess up. In early running back 433 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: team was Ezekiel Elliott with the fourth overall pick. Yeah. Uh, 434 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry went, Henry went overall. Kenyan Drake went seventy 435 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: three overall, and Drake's had a good enough career for 436 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: the pick. And then the rest of those guys, I 437 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: mean you're talking about you know, Tyler Irv and c J. 438 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: Pro Rice pro Ice, DeVante Booker, Kenneth Dixon. I mean, 439 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: so these were guys, you know, I remember Kenneth Dixon 440 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: every year was this is this big year for Kenneth 441 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: Dixon never worked out protection and right, So Dallas that 442 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: year picked fourth and took zeq l Right. Yeah, Jordan 443 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: Howard in the fifth round at one fifties probably the hit. 444 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 1: You can't catch a cold unless you consider Alex Collins 445 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: a hit. I don't know, he's okay, he had he 446 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: had a stretch. He had a stretch. So my point, 447 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: Dallas at four, I'm not saying taking him back at 448 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: forth smart, we got a big draft need in and 449 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna wait till round three. Well, you're not gonna 450 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: get anybody. Yeah, you're gonna get stuck picking from who's 451 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: left here? What do we hope they let's hope if 452 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: they wait till round two? I think Henry was already gone. 453 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: Like they got Henry, Like, grab a good one, just 454 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: one more year with this will go back. Todd Gurley, 455 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: Uh is a tenth overall pick. That's a hit. I 456 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: mean that's huge. Melvin Gordon at that's a hit. T J. 457 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: Yeldon was the next back draft and he was thirty six. 458 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: He's still in the league. But that's not a hit, 459 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: not a hit. But uh, and then you're looking at 460 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: a mirror. Abdula was the seventy uh pick. Uh. Duke 461 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: Johnson was the I'm sorry, Tevin Coleman was a seventy 462 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: third pick. Those guys are all about the same. Duke 463 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: Johnson was a seventy seventh pick. David Johnson was the 464 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: eighty six pick. Uh. Matt Jones a year for like 465 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: a year Jeremy Langford at one oh six, Juststin Fowler 466 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,719 Speaker 1: at one oh eight Titan. Yeah he's at fullback actually, 467 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 1: Count Javorious Allen buck Allen. These guys are all backups, 468 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: part time player. Mike Davis went that year at once six. 469 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: David Cobb went at one thirty eight. Uh, j A 470 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 1: g I was there's the perfect example of what you're 471 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: going to get a late round. He only felt that 472 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: long because he had a bad knee. Yeah, he was 473 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: a medical Two years after that, people well they got 474 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: a steel in the say, you know this is a 475 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: you know, he was a medical reject because knee can't 476 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: hold up. He didn't hold up. Again, you're you're talking 477 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: about that short shelf life. Would you rather have would 478 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: you rather use that pick on Todd Gurley or would 479 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: you rather have used the later pick on David A. 480 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: G I. Well, curly got you to a super Bowl, 481 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: right right? You know, I mean if those last what 482 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 1: you talked about five draft Melvin Gordon got to a 483 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Gordon was like the legal leand rusher one 484 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 1: year on. Yeah, I mean like he's still goods what 485 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: it killed from Melvin Gordon. That's one of the other 486 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: arguments how many leading rushers got, you know, one super Bowls? 487 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: He doesn't have to be a leading rusher, but you 488 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 1: better it doesn't hurt to have a thousand yards. Yeah, 489 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard weird conversations about, uh, the percentage 490 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: of first round picks to one Super Bowls a quarterback 491 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: won't the guy that was picked one ninety nine owns 492 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: like five percent of the rings over the last ten years. 493 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 1: That kind of excused the curve a little bit. I 494 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: wonder if you if you looked at all the backs drafted. 495 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: These are random numbers, but it's it's kind of Steeler related. 496 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: If you're backdrafted between twenty overall, which it's safe to 497 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: say that's probably where the Steelers first pick will be. Yeah, 498 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: I bet theres I may do that, you know, or 499 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: maybe one picked in the top forty, or anyone picked 500 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: in the top fifty, or you know, whatever number you 501 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: want to pick. You would assume a top ten running 502 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: back is going to be a hit, and they basically 503 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: all are with including four. I mean, you gotta go 504 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 1: all the way back to ten. Bishops Sanky was the 505 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: first running back ticker, but he was he was the 506 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: second pick and Jeremy Hill was to pick after that, 507 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: then Carlos Hide and they went Hill and I'd actually 508 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: weren't dreadful, they were, they were okay, okay, but still 509 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 1: that was a bad running back cloud Um draft. There 510 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: was no running again. That's too back to back years 511 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: with no running backs taken in the first round and 512 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: the draft is really when this whole running backs don't 513 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: matter things started with Trent Richardson going third overall because 514 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: he was a bust, and then two years in a 515 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: row was just terrible draft classes. Yeah, if it's a 516 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: bad running back draft class, well then yeah, teams don't 517 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 1: take running backs in the first round name because look 518 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: what happened with Trent Richardson. Well if they do, there, 519 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: you know, now you're right. I guess there is a 520 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: three year stretch there. Richardson sank in the year after 521 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: or in between that. The analytic folks say it thirte 522 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: third team was Giovanni Bernard was the first guy taken. 523 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: Levi Bell was to Monty Ball, Eddie Lacey, U, Michael Kristen, 524 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: Michael Nile Davis, Jonathan Franklin, and Carl Kyle Jus went 525 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: in that draft. But I mean, I wonder during that 526 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: three year stretch, we're why was the running back crops 527 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,959 Speaker 1: so bad? I mean, what was coming in the lead 528 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: was bad, not the I think that you know that 529 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: that would be right around the time where you started 530 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: seeing colleges more like everybody started running the spread. So 531 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: that's what I was starting to think, because two thousand 532 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: fourteen was the Sanky year. That's the Odell Watkins Evans 533 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: historically great receiver here, Like, you can't have everything, and 534 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: I thought Sanky was gonna be a good back. Yeah, 535 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: I again trying trying to judge what a guy does 536 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: running out of the spread when he's not getting hit 537 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: until his ten yards down the field is often tough, 538 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: often tough, you know. You know, a guy like I 539 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: mean Nause, Yeah, he gets really good blocking, but he 540 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,719 Speaker 1: gets used as a workman worse, you know, workhorse NFL 541 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: style back and certainly Javante, you know, I mean those 542 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: guys you don't have to project all that, get a 543 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: lot of carriers between the tackles, you know, somewhat traditional 544 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: runs and more I think about it, the NFL didn't 545 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: adapt at that time to what was coming in the 546 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: league like they do now. Yeah, the NFL. Some of 547 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: those guys might have hit they if teams are running 548 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: a more you know, read options and stuff like that 549 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: that they were used to running. Let's say Sanky goes 550 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: to the Cardinals this year, maybe he would hit a 551 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: little bit better. Yeah, because they were making them do 552 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: things they didn't do so well, That's that's kind of 553 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: what I think the more I think about it. Anyways, Yeah, 554 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: good conversation. He is Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lolly. We 555 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: want to thank Jacob Brecht for keeping us on the 556 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: air throughout this segment, and we want to thank you 557 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: for listening to this edition of The Drive on Steelers 558 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: Nation Radio.