Speaker 1: Episode three sixty eight Deinfluencing Yourself from social Media with
Speaker 1: Paige Prichard.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Frugal Friends podcast, where you'll learn to
Speaker 2: save money, embrace simplicity and life. Here your hosts Jen
Speaker 2: and Jill.
Speaker 1: Happy New Year and welcome to the Frugal Friends Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Jen, my name is Jill, And for
Speaker 1: our first episode of the year, our first episode of
Speaker 1: the year is always very special. We want to bring
Speaker 1: on somebody very special. And last year it was Kendra
Speaker 1: Adashi from The Lazy Genius. Definitely check out that one.
Speaker 1: And today it's Paige Pritchard from Overcoming Overspending And if
Speaker 1: you like us, you will love Paige's got the strongest
Speaker 1: BFF vibes from this interview, basically saying the same thing
Speaker 1: back and forth, and it was fantastic. And we're talking
Speaker 1: all about social media today. So social media is literally
Speaker 1: Paige and Jill and I have all the same feelings
Speaker 1: about spending, right, but Jill and I are not good
Speaker 1: at social media. Page on the other hand, has half
Speaker 1: a million followers on TikTok, like two hundred thousand on Instagram,
Speaker 1: like she is in social media, and so we're talking
Speaker 1: all about how can we stop overspending without totally erasing
Speaker 1: social media or like taking ourselves out of that ecosystem,
Speaker 1: because it can be very useful. And it was just
Speaker 1: a great conversation.
Speaker 3: BFF vibes, but yet not entire echo chamber. Don't worry,
Speaker 3: just pondering with each other and sharing helpful insight. Honestly, again,
Speaker 3: some of it for us and for you, but mostly
Speaker 3: for us.
Speaker 1: We learned a lot in the social media area, not
Speaker 1: just on how you can protect yourselves from impulse spending,
Speaker 1: but also how we as creators can be better, creators
Speaker 1: can create safer spaces on social media, and how you
Speaker 1: can identify creators who are safe spaces. So we're very
Speaker 1: excited for you to hear this one. We have several
Speaker 1: other fantastic episodes coming out in January. We love it,
Speaker 1: but you can just scroll back in our archives. We
Speaker 1: had some great episodes in December as well. A lot
Speaker 1: of you are here for the first time, and so
Speaker 1: we'll just let you know. Most of our episodes, we
Speaker 1: go to the internet, we search something that you are
Speaker 1: already searching. Our friend letter is our weekly newsletter, and
Speaker 1: we ask you, guys, what are you searching what do
Speaker 1: you want to know? We take to the Internet and
Speaker 1: we will tell you what the internet has to say
Speaker 1: and if it's fluff or if it's really good advice.
Speaker 1: And so every third episode we bring on somebody who
Speaker 1: is an expert in saving money or has a really
Speaker 1: cool financial story and we interview them and we try
Speaker 1: to learn more for you guys and introduce you to
Speaker 1: some cool creators in the process, like Paige, and she
Speaker 1: is a spending coach. I have been following her since
Speaker 1: since I started, like twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. We have
Speaker 1: been creators come up in this industry together, and she's fantastic.
Speaker 1: She discovered her passion for helping women develop healthier spending
Speaker 1: habits through her own personal struggles of impulse shopping when
Speaker 1: at twenty two she blew through her sixty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: salary after graduating college and literally no bills, just blew
Speaker 1: through sixty thousand dollars. She's going to share that story
Speaker 1: with you, And so her story is slightly different from ours,
Speaker 1: who had to lean into frugality to pay off student
Speaker 1: loan debt, car loan debt, and so have we come
Speaker 1: to the same place from different experiences and so it's
Speaker 1: very cool. Again she's overcoming underscore overspending on TikTok and Instagram.
Speaker 1: I think there's an underscore and she just shares so
Speaker 1: many helpful tips to get control of your spending and
Speaker 1: we loved this interview with her.
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Speaker 1: I will be posting every day on Instagram and TikTok
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Speaker 1: Paige, Welcome to the Frugal Friends Podcast.
Speaker 4: We are so excited to have you. Thank you for
Speaker 4: having me. I'm so excited to talk to y'all.
Speaker 3: MM hmmmm. I love the word de influence. It's coming
Speaker 3: my new motto. I also really love this concept of
Speaker 3: spending as a skill, and you've really are an expert
Speaker 3: on this from personal experience to what you're doing currently.
Speaker 3: So just yeah, thanks for being here, Thanks for sharing
Speaker 3: your wisdom with our listeners.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm so excited to talk to y'all.
Speaker 1: It'll be good to talk to another like minded. We
Speaker 1: might just like geek out.
Speaker 4: That's honestly, I love geeking out.
Speaker 1: So okay, great, Well then we'll start. So you describe
Speaker 1: yourself as a former compulsive shopper, and we are literally
Speaker 1: a show for people who love shopping but want to
Speaker 1: feel good about their finances, and that might include shopping less.
Speaker 1: What was your like ahab moment that got you started
Speaker 1: down this path of overcoming the unhealthy portion of your shopping.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I would say that my wake up moment.
Speaker 5: I can kind of give a little more background in
Speaker 5: context to this, but I had my wake up moment,
Speaker 5: I will say at a very young age. I was
Speaker 5: twenty three when I had my wake up moment. I
Speaker 5: can share a little bit more of my story, and
Speaker 5: I know for a lot of people listening to this.
Speaker 5: They're like, well, that's great for you that you had
Speaker 5: your wake up moment at twenty three. Like I'm thirty
Speaker 5: three or forty three or fifty three, and I'm just
Speaker 5: now figuring this out. But really, my wake up moment
Speaker 5: came when I realized, essentially that I had impulse shopped
Speaker 5: my way through an entire year's salary. It was the
Speaker 5: year after I had graduated from college. I graduated from
Speaker 5: college in twenty eleven, and I actually ended up getting
Speaker 5: a job at a car dealership selling cars. And I
Speaker 5: took that job because it was the highest paying offer
Speaker 5: that I got out of undergrad. They were going to
Speaker 5: pay me sixty thousand dollars to sell cars for a year,
Speaker 5: and they were like, hey, we'll give you a Cadillac
Speaker 5: to drive, and we'll pay for your gas and your
Speaker 5: insurance and your cell phone bill. And I was like, well, yeah,
Speaker 5: that sounds that sounds great because I was also in
Speaker 5: forty thousand dollars of student loan debt. Like many people
Speaker 5: coming out of college nowadays having student loan debt, I
Speaker 5: also had no savings and I was moving back to
Speaker 5: the Dallas area for this job, which is where I
Speaker 5: grew up, and so my parents, well, I mean, my
Speaker 5: parents didn't offer this I asked them, but I was like, hey, listen,
Speaker 5: I'm going to be making this money.
Speaker 4: I'm you know, I have this student loan debt. Can
Speaker 4: I live with you for.
Speaker 5: A year and really make some good progress towards this
Speaker 5: debt and to saving up some money?
Speaker 4: And my parents graciously let me do that.
Speaker 5: And so when a lot of people hear me say, oh,
Speaker 5: I impul shopped my way through my entire salary, they
Speaker 5: think like, oh, well, you just spent your remaining discretionary
Speaker 5: income that you had after like you paid all your bills.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, well, I really didn't have bills. That's
Speaker 5: the thing, right, because many of the bills that like
Speaker 5: I'm responsible for now today I didn't have to worry
Speaker 5: about then because they were either being covered by my
Speaker 5: work or being covered from living at home with my parents' house.
Speaker 5: And I remember like going up to them all and
Speaker 5: spending my very first paycheck on a new corporate wardrobe
Speaker 5: because I really didn't have anything to wear to work,
Speaker 5: you know, coming out of being a college student.
Speaker 4: And I remember being like, Okay, that's it. I'm done.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to spend anymore. But I also remember
Speaker 5: almost kind of like the euphoria that I felt in
Speaker 5: that first shopping trip. And I think we're all around
Speaker 5: the same age, and so it's like we all kind
Speaker 5: of grew up, you know, nineties, early two thousands, like
Speaker 5: watching you know, like How to Lose a Guy in
Speaker 5: Ten Days and thirteen going on thirty and like Devil
Speaker 5: Wars Prada, and I mean, like for real, like I
Speaker 5: really did have this idea in my head of like
Speaker 5: Jennifer Garner's Closet and thirteen going on thirty and like
Speaker 5: thinking that like that's what life looked like, being like
Speaker 5: a corporate girl in the corporate world, like waking up
Speaker 5: and going into your job every day. I had that
Speaker 5: idea in my head. And I think it was also
Speaker 5: like a combination too. I think it was a combination
Speaker 5: of several things. I think it was like that a
Speaker 5: combination of just like being able to like walk into
Speaker 5: Nord Drums or like walk into an anthropology, and which
Speaker 5: I'd never been able to do or afford up until
Speaker 5: that point in my life, being able to walk in
Speaker 5: and be like I can shop here now, I can
Speaker 5: afford things now, like it was. It was a really
Speaker 5: kind of big boost to my ego and also as well,
Speaker 5: like shopping was my coping mechanism. I didn't really handle
Speaker 5: the transition from college to rural world super well, like
Speaker 5: going from like four years of independence to moving back
Speaker 5: home with my parents. I really missed my college friends.
Speaker 5: Me and my college boyfriend broke up. I very quickly
Speaker 5: realized that I didn't love selling cars shocker, and so
Speaker 5: it was like my escape during the day. It was
Speaker 5: like my one little like golden light in my day
Speaker 5: was being able to leave the dealership, go up to
Speaker 5: the mall and shop. And it really wasn't uncommon for
Speaker 5: me during that year just to like go up to
Speaker 5: the mall, go into Nords Drums, been in a republic wherever,
Speaker 5: and just very casually drop three, four or five hundred
Speaker 5: dollars on my lunch break.
Speaker 4: And so that happened for a year.
Speaker 5: I mean, shopping was like I shopped when I was happy,
Speaker 5: I shopped when I was sad. I shopped when I
Speaker 5: wanted to escape. I shopped when I wanted to celebrate something.
Speaker 5: So the end of that year came and my entire
Speaker 5: salary was in my closet most of the money that
Speaker 5: I spent was on clothes, shoes, handbags, jewelry, basically anything
Speaker 5: that I could wear. That was kind of like my vice,
Speaker 5: so to speak. And the end of that year came,
Speaker 5: my parents were like, it's time for you to go.
Speaker 5: And I couldn't even afford a security deposit to move out.
Speaker 5: And my parents are looking at me, like, what do
Speaker 5: you mean you can't move out? Like you've like we
Speaker 5: know your salary, we know what you make. You haven't
Speaker 5: had any bills or expenses, so like, what's what's the deal?
Speaker 5: Because it truly had gotten to a point where I
Speaker 5: was hiding my behavior from people, right like I would
Speaker 5: bring the shopping bags in when I knew my parents
Speaker 5: wouldn't see, or I would bring the packages in like
Speaker 5: when I knew they weren't home, And so I had
Speaker 5: to wait until like I kind of had to extend
Speaker 5: that timeline like a whole nother month just to earn
Speaker 5: a whole other month of income to even just.
Speaker 4: Be able to afford the security deposit to move out.
Speaker 5: And that was really kind of like my wake up
Speaker 5: moment again at the very young age of twenty three,
Speaker 5: which I feel very blessed that that happened at a
Speaker 5: young age, But that was kind of my moment where
Speaker 5: I was like, I can't keep doing this. I can't
Speaker 5: keep spending and shopping the way that I've been spending
Speaker 5: and shopping, or else I'm going to be broke for
Speaker 5: the rest of my life. And that kind of started
Speaker 5: my journey into kind of like learning about all things
Speaker 5: personal finance. But when I went out and I started
Speaker 5: looking for solutions to this problem, a lot of the
Speaker 5: solutions that I found just either didn't resonate with me
Speaker 5: because they were just coming from people that I couldn't
Speaker 5: relate to, like older men who were simply just telling
Speaker 5: me like unsubscribe for emails or delete your credit card
Speaker 5: auto film, and I was like, well, you obviously don't
Speaker 5: understand this problem I have because I don't even need
Speaker 5: to be getting the email at this point, Like I
Speaker 5: don't need the email. I'm just going to go up
Speaker 5: to the store. Deleting my credit card auto field doesn't
Speaker 5: help me because I know my credit cards by heart,
Speaker 5: like I can literally.
Speaker 4: Just boo like put them in, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And so it was like this advice isn't helpful to me,
Speaker 5: And also it was very surface level. It was very
Speaker 5: much so like wrap yourself in bubble wrap, go through
Speaker 5: the world, like try not to be exposed to all
Speaker 5: of these things that are like triggering you to spend
Speaker 5: and to shop. And you know, I was just like,
Speaker 5: I feel like this might be helpful in the beginning,
Speaker 5: but that's just not a long term solution for me.
Speaker 5: I can't like live my life this way for the
Speaker 5: rest of my life. So that's when I really like
Speaker 5: set out to find solutions to this problem that win
Speaker 5: a little deeper the internal drivers of why I was
Speaker 5: doing what I was doing, and of course also paired
Speaker 5: with the more black and white parts of money, because
Speaker 5: I mean, you guys know there's obviously a mathematical reality
Speaker 5: to our money always, but really kind of merging like
Speaker 5: the black and white numbers to the deeper, more internal mindset, emotion,
Speaker 5: behavioral components. And I would say, I mean, you guys,
Speaker 5: we were talking about this before we started recording.
Speaker 4: We've all been in the money space for a really
Speaker 4: long time.
Speaker 5: And when I first started talking about money, I would
Speaker 5: talk about anything and everything related to money. I mean,
Speaker 5: if it touched money, I would.
Speaker 4: Talk about it.
Speaker 5: But this issue of like spending, shopping, over spending, compulsive shopping,
Speaker 5: shopping addictions. It was the one issue that I felt
Speaker 5: like kept coming up over and over and over, but
Speaker 5: it was like happening in secret. It was like people
Speaker 5: would come to me, like they would DM me, or
Speaker 5: they would email me, or like it was never out
Speaker 5: in the open. It was like, hey, like I'm in
Speaker 5: ten thousand dollars worth of credit card debt because I
Speaker 5: shopped too much, or hey, I have all this debt
Speaker 5: that my partner doesn't know about.
Speaker 4: Can you help me?
Speaker 5: Because there's no one out here talking about this right
Speaker 5: Like it was like me, like I go to find solutions,
Speaker 5: and the solutions I'm finding aren't helping. And I would
Speaker 5: say within the last like which I know we're going
Speaker 5: to talk about social media a lot today, but I
Speaker 5: would say in the past like five years. I kind
Speaker 5: of call it like this perfect storm that's been brewing
Speaker 5: that's really brought this issue to a head. I think
Speaker 5: people have always struggled with this, but I think lately
Speaker 5: it has become a real issue for so many people.
Speaker 5: And I think that's because of technology, Like the rise
Speaker 5: in technology, so like just think about how much Amazon
Speaker 5: has changed our shopping habits in the last five years
Speaker 5: social media, because that's introduced just like a whole nother
Speaker 5: level of like transparency and comparison that we're now doing
Speaker 5: that we just didn't have access to before. And the
Speaker 5: pandemic is kind of the third one where we were
Speaker 5: all trapped at our houses, nowhere to go, nothing to do.
Speaker 5: We were all getting this, you know, all this money
Speaker 5: from our respective governments, and what did a lot of
Speaker 5: people do. They shopped, they spent, They got online, and
Speaker 5: they a bunch of they bought a bunch of things.
Speaker 5: So that was when I really saw this come to
Speaker 5: a head, and I was like, no one's talking about this.
Speaker 5: I don't feel like there's really any solutions out there
Speaker 5: that are truly helping people, and people are just ashamed
Speaker 5: to talk about this. And I had really gotten to
Speaker 5: a point at that point where I'm like, I'm not
Speaker 5: ashamed to talk about my story and share my story.
Speaker 5: So if I have to be the one that like
Speaker 5: goes through a brick wall, I'm happy to do that.
Speaker 5: And that was kind of the birth of Overcoming overspending
Speaker 5: About two years ago when I kind of saw this
Speaker 5: come to a head.
Speaker 3: Oh man, page you are paintting we are.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: I wish you could see the video through your podcast player,
Speaker 1: because Jill and I are like our heads are so
Speaker 1: like our next or store from nodding so much.
Speaker 3: I also feel like you've painted such a beautiful, relatable
Speaker 3: picture here of just the story you're telling, of your
Speaker 3: real lived experience and your journey, so so helpful, and
Speaker 3: I think many of us, myself included, confine ourselves at
Speaker 3: different points in your story, probably on our own spectrum, certainly,
Speaker 3: but really at the core of this is how do
Speaker 3: I spend? Where can I go to learn how to
Speaker 3: spend better or know when not to spend when there
Speaker 3: is so much shame around it, when no one is
Speaker 3: talking about it, and especially when we're recognizing, ooh, but
Speaker 3: there's an actual problem here that's hurting me, hindering my
Speaker 3: next goal. And it's interesting for you to highlight this
Speaker 3: secrecy portion because it sounds like even before your total
Speaker 3: aha moment, there was this underlying realization that something's not
Speaker 3: quite right here before you were fully able to put
Speaker 3: a finger on it. So just even thinking about indicator
Speaker 3: signs for people and reaching that moment of pivot, I
Speaker 3: think that's just a helpful kind of symptom to be
Speaker 3: aware of. I also find it interesting how you're describing
Speaker 3: the influence that you saw in your childhood. I think
Speaker 3: we didn't grow up with social media in the way
Speaker 3: that it is today, but that doesn't mean that we
Speaker 3: lacked influence at the time, from the movies, commercials. I
Speaker 3: was hopped up on some commercials as a kid, and
Speaker 3: that defined what I wanted alongside my friends' houses, who
Speaker 3: I went to, and the toys that they had. And
Speaker 3: so we are all even if we even if we
Speaker 3: get off of social media, we're gonna be influenced. And
Speaker 3: I think we'll probably get to that. But you know,
Speaker 3: you're describing the things of our generation that influenced us
Speaker 3: and now the things just the ways in which that
Speaker 3: has ramped up. And I am curious, from your own
Speaker 3: perspective and experience, and of course your expertise in your
Speaker 3: own followers and people who are giving you feedback, what
Speaker 3: are you hearing and see about social media influence culture?
Speaker 3: How is this truly impacting people's finances?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 5: Well, so I'll say this, I think that I am
Speaker 5: seeing kind of a wave that I feel like i've
Speaker 5: kind of noticed probably in the last like six to
Speaker 5: nine months of twenty twenty three, where I actually do
Speaker 5: feel like there is this wave of people that are
Speaker 5: kind of starting to like wake up a bit to
Speaker 5: the actual influence that social media is not only having
Speaker 5: on their lives but having on their bank accounts. I mean,
Speaker 5: I talk to people all day long, and I have
Speaker 5: a lot of women in my community where they tell.
Speaker 4: Me, like, my vice is social media.
Speaker 5: Like it feels like every single time I get on Instagram,
Speaker 5: I'm buying something. I'm buying something from somebody's Amazon storefront
Speaker 5: or like to know it page, or even just like
Speaker 5: clicking on an ad that would served to me from
Speaker 5: a company. But I will say this, so, I mean,
Speaker 5: it's without a doubt impacting people's bank accounts and spending habits.
Speaker 4: I think part of.
Speaker 5: It is because it is so savvy, Like it's so
Speaker 5: incredibly savvy. It's like you get on and then you
Speaker 5: get off thirty minutes later and you're like, wait, like
Speaker 5: what just happened?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: Like like I got on to like check in with
Speaker 5: a couple of people, or like you know, see this
Speaker 5: or see that, and like I just bought like three
Speaker 5: things off of somebody's amaz.
Speaker 4: On storefront, like whoa, how did that happen?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: And that's the.
Speaker 5: Tricky part is like it's so subtle, it's so savvy.
Speaker 5: Whether we're talking about like you getting served an ad
Speaker 5: where they literally just make it seamless of like you
Speaker 5: just have to click maybe like one to two buttons.
Speaker 5: Facebook has your credit card information stored? Instagram how's your
Speaker 5: credit card information stored? Or even just like the people
Speaker 5: that you follow? Now, I feel like what we're kind
Speaker 5: of start to see even within like influencer culture is
Speaker 5: it is starting to become more subtle, because I do
Speaker 5: think that people are waking up to it more and
Speaker 5: more and more. I do a lot of deinfluencing videos
Speaker 5: on my page, and I do see a lot of
Speaker 5: people who will say, like the second that I see
Speaker 5: somebody trying to like sell me something, or like the
Speaker 5: second that I see like brand partner or like hashtag ad, like,
Speaker 5: I'll immediately scroll because I just like, I just don't
Speaker 5: want to see that and I don't want to support it.
Speaker 5: And I think the influencers and the companies that work
Speaker 5: with these influencers are picking up on that and they're
Speaker 5: having to be more subtle, more savvy with the way
Speaker 5: that they're kind of like introducing these products to us.
Speaker 5: And so now it's like you'll see an influencer and
Speaker 5: you know she's talking about like the little pack that
Speaker 5: she keeps in her car that has all of her
Speaker 5: hand sanitizers and this and that and whatever, or you know,
Speaker 5: like the little stuffed animal that she just bought for
Speaker 5: her son, or this like coffee creamer that she puts
Speaker 5: in her coffee every morning, and then it's all very
Speaker 5: subtle of like and if you want any of this,
Speaker 5: it's all linked to my Amazon storefront. And it's like, oh,
Speaker 5: so it's like no brand is like basically saying to them, like, hey,
Speaker 5: we're going to pay you x amount to like promote
Speaker 5: our products. But it's more so kind of like affiliate marketing.
Speaker 5: Now that I feel like like people are doing that
Speaker 5: just becomes becomes more subtle. But I will say too,
Speaker 5: I do think that there is a wave of people
Speaker 5: that are waking up to it and our kind of
Speaker 5: being like social media is just turning into one giant ad, right.
Speaker 5: And in a lot of my videos, I will say this,
Speaker 5: it's it's funny like in a lot of the de
Speaker 5: influencing videos that I'll do. I'll say, like, chances are
Speaker 5: when you scroll away from this video, the next video
Speaker 5: that you're going to get served is either going to
Speaker 5: be an AD or it's going to be like something
Speaker 5: with like a TikTok shop or something like that.
Speaker 4: And it's so funny the amount.
Speaker 5: Of people that will like scroll away from one of
Speaker 5: my videos and have it be exactly that, have it
Speaker 5: be an AD or something, and then they'll come back
Speaker 5: to my video and comment be like, you were right,
Speaker 5: Like I scrolled away and it was it was an
Speaker 5: ad for this or it was an ad for that.
Speaker 5: So it's just it's everywhere now across Facebook, YouTube, Instagram. TikTok,
Speaker 5: I feel like is a huge one, Like TikTok shop
Speaker 5: now is probably the one that's I feel like been
Speaker 5: launched in the probably the past like three or four months.
Speaker 4: But if you're not.
Speaker 5: Conscious about it, if you just go and you do
Speaker 5: the doom scrolling, the mindless scrolling, it can be so
Speaker 5: easy just to get sucked into this consumption vortex that
Speaker 5: we're all kind of like faced with all day, every day,
Speaker 5: no matter where we turn, right, So it's definitely impacting
Speaker 5: people's bank accounts. Of course, I don't really think that
Speaker 5: that's like a surprise to anyone, but I will say
Speaker 5: I do think like it's encouraging for me to say
Speaker 5: and for me to see that.
Speaker 4: I do feel like a lot of people.
Speaker 5: Are really kind of getting to a point where they're like,
Speaker 5: this is getting to be kind ofdiculous.
Speaker 3: Oh, this is such a conundrum page. And I'm a
Speaker 3: little bit chuckling internally right now because we are literally
Speaker 3: about to have an ad break in this podcast episode.
Speaker 3: It's like we recognize the issue, and yet the issue
Speaker 3: persists everywhere, and especially for like, if I can just
Speaker 3: speak a little bit from the other side of things
Speaker 3: as an influencer, which I would prefer to deinfluence. I
Speaker 3: really don't like social media, but if we want to
Speaker 3: be putting out free content for our listeners, for our followers,
Speaker 3: then kind of the only other way to go is
Speaker 3: to look into advertising money in order to sustain, in
Speaker 3: order to be able to create these things that don't
Speaker 3: cost the consumer any money, like to get our content.
Speaker 3: Of course, they may choose to go by but I
Speaker 3: think I think what I'm hearing from you and after
Speaker 3: the ad break won't get into more of it too.
Speaker 4: I'm sure I love how this is.
Speaker 3: I know it really is eyes wide open, and I think, like,
Speaker 3: I'm not ashamed to identify it, because I do kind
Speaker 3: of I want to joke about it. I also want
Speaker 3: to acknowledge it. I want to speak to it. I
Speaker 3: want to give some of our reasonings for doing it.
Speaker 3: But eyes wide open, Like, if we go on to
Speaker 3: social media, we know we're going to be seeing ads,
Speaker 3: and what are we there for? And how do we
Speaker 3: want to arm ourselves? You pull up a podcast episode
Speaker 3: and if they've been doing it for two plus years,
Speaker 3: chances are they're trying to find ways to make money
Speaker 3: off of it. So whether you're paying to listen to
Speaker 3: it or you're paying because you're listening to an ad,
Speaker 3: but eyes wide open, you choose, You then need to
Speaker 3: know what you're doing when you're actually pulling out your
Speaker 3: credit card because we are also going to spend, and
Speaker 3: so do we want to spend on that thing? Yeah?
Speaker 3: These are This is a conundrum though, Like I'm hearing
Speaker 3: what you're saying and I'm like, yeah, yeah, as a consumer,
Speaker 3: and then I'm also like, oh no, I'm about to
Speaker 3: write a timestamp for an ad break.
Speaker 5: It's it's such trust me, it's such a conundrum, Like
Speaker 5: for for me too, write like you know, it's like
Speaker 5: I have a podcast of my own and I've myself
Speaker 5: I've been grappling with like do I monetize it? Do
Speaker 5: I bring ads on? Like doing doing brand deals right?
Speaker 5: You know, like talking about like my favorite financial products,
Speaker 5: Like you know, it's like the app that I used
Speaker 5: to budget or the bank account or like you know,
Speaker 5: like the banks that I use or who I invest with,
Speaker 5: like things like that. It's like it's like how do
Speaker 5: you how do you kind of like mesh mesh these
Speaker 5: two worlds. But I think your point, Jill is like
Speaker 5: spot on, it's like just going into it with eyes
Speaker 5: wide open, because I think it's like understanding it's like
Speaker 5: social media for most people that you're consuming content from,
Speaker 5: if you're consuming a podcast or somebody's YouTube channel or
Speaker 5: even somebody's Instagram page. It's like for a lot of people,
Speaker 5: that is their job, it is their source of income.
Speaker 4: They have to monetize it in some way.
Speaker 5: But going into it with eyes wide open and just
Speaker 5: realizing that and just saying like just because this influencer
Speaker 5: has this, just because they're telling me.
Speaker 4: That it's a that it's a must have or just
Speaker 4: because they're obsessed.
Speaker 5: With it doesn't necessarily mean that I'm going to be
Speaker 5: obsessed with it or that I necessarily need it.
Speaker 3: But you're so right.
Speaker 4: I I grapple. I grapple with the same things. For
Speaker 4: for me, it's it's tricky, it's hard.
Speaker 3: Well, here we go, keep your eyes open and now
Speaker 3: for an AD break.
Speaker 4: And now for an AD break.
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening for that from that word from
Speaker 1: our sponsor, Oh wow, But I mean yeah, Like, I
Speaker 1: think the big question is like how how do you
Speaker 1: use social media and keep it a safe space for yourself?
Speaker 1: Or like what what do you can you use the
Speaker 1: like not trick the algorith but train the algorithm to
Speaker 1: serve you stuff that is more of the de influencing
Speaker 1: is more positive money message, get away from the the
Speaker 1: manipulative influencers. Because I still, like I love, like I've
Speaker 1: just had my second baby, I'm rediscovering clothing that is
Speaker 1: notggings and T shirts, and so I'm like following these
Speaker 1: like these mid size mom fashion influencers and like I
Speaker 1: they serve a purpose for me, Like I really want
Speaker 1: to follow them but I also want to protect myself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, totally, so totally.
Speaker 1: How do we create this safe space? And even if
Speaker 1: you have tips for us as we like go through
Speaker 1: posting on social media, because that's also somewhere we want
Speaker 1: to be, because we want to be where people are, Like,
Speaker 1: how do we how do we make it a safe
Speaker 1: space for ourselves? And how can our creators that we
Speaker 1: follow make it a safe space for the followers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like this word can be overused sometimes,
Speaker 5: but I'm going to go ahead and use it. But
Speaker 5: I feel like to your point, you can, actually you
Speaker 5: can absolutely make your social media like an intentional space
Speaker 5: for you that does serve the purpose that you want
Speaker 5: it to serve for you, like exactly what you were saying, Jen,
Speaker 5: It's like, and I'm totally with you, and I want
Speaker 5: to make this point clear. It's it's not bad to
Speaker 5: buy things on social media that you see that you're like, oh, yes,
Speaker 5: this would clearly add value to me in this way,
Speaker 5: or this would solve this problem for me in some way.
Speaker 5: For me, I think that it's really kind of like
Speaker 5: the mindset behind the spending and the intention behind the
Speaker 5: spending that really kind of differentiates like the type of
Speaker 5: spending that you're doing. But let's just kind of start
Speaker 5: with a couple practical things and then we can like
Speaker 5: go a little deeper, but practically to your point, right,
Speaker 5: I think making sure that you're following.
Speaker 4: People who make you feel good, like if your fallow.
Speaker 5: And I know that sounds like very very obvious, but
Speaker 5: I think it's like kind of wild how many people
Speaker 5: that a lot of us actually follow that don't make
Speaker 5: us feel good, or if you consistently find like every
Speaker 5: time I see this person's post, it brings up like
Speaker 5: this feeling in me that I don't like or I
Speaker 5: end up buying, Like I'm noticing that I buy a
Speaker 5: lot of things from them that I don't end up
Speaker 5: liking that I don't end up using, like start paying
Speaker 5: attention to patterns like that. And I'm really big on
Speaker 5: having just as many people in your social media presence
Speaker 5: or feed that are going to help your finances versus
Speaker 5: kind of like draining your finances, so to speak. And
Speaker 5: it doesn't mean it has to be like you unfollow
Speaker 5: every single influencer out there, because to your point, like
Speaker 5: I do think that there is a value in following
Speaker 5: a lot of them, but have that balance there, right,
Speaker 5: have that balance of like am I following people who
Speaker 5: help my bank account, who increase my net worth? Whether
Speaker 5: it's like they're inspiring me, they're educating me, they're teaching
Speaker 5: me how to implement like behaviors and habits into my
Speaker 5: daily life that are making my finances improve and making
Speaker 5: them better. I also think too, like tell the algorithm
Speaker 5: like what you like and what you want to see,
Speaker 5: and I know that that definitely.
Speaker 4: Scrolls things, slows things.
Speaker 5: Down in your scroll, like when you have to just
Speaker 5: get out of that like boom boom boom, and you
Speaker 5: actually have to stop and like hit those three little
Speaker 5: buttons and like tell Instagram like I like this, I
Speaker 5: don't like this.
Speaker 4: I don't want to see this ad again.
Speaker 5: Like please don't like I'm going to like mute this
Speaker 5: person for a certain period of time. But I think
Speaker 5: that's kind of what you were saying, Jen, is like
Speaker 5: you can tell the algorithm what you want to see
Speaker 5: based off what you think is helping you versus hurting you.
Speaker 5: And I understand that that obviously takes some time, but again,
Speaker 5: that makes social media such more of a place, like
Speaker 5: like just a more intentional place for you, and I'm
Speaker 5: really big too. Like one of my big sayings is
Speaker 5: like using social media for inspiration versus influence. When I
Speaker 5: think of like the difference between those two words, Like
Speaker 5: when I think of like influence, I think of I
Speaker 5: need to go out and create a carbon copy of
Speaker 5: this person's life, right like this girl has I'm just
Speaker 5: gonna think of like a random thing, like this girl's
Speaker 5: fridge looks a certain way. She has all the containers
Speaker 5: and all the clear things and the bins to put everything,
Speaker 5: and like, I need to make my fridge look exactly
Speaker 5: like that. So I'm gonna go to her Amazon storefront
Speaker 5: and I'm gonna buy all the bins that she has
Speaker 5: linked and the egg holder she has linked and the
Speaker 5: little labels like and I'm gonna.
Speaker 4: Make my fridge look exactly like hers.
Speaker 5: Or I'm gonna go and make my wardrobe look exactly
Speaker 5: like this person's wardrobe.
Speaker 4: That's influence. It's it's just like copy paste.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: Inspiration is digging a little deeper, like from the surface
Speaker 5: level of like the actual products, like the specific products
Speaker 5: and saying what am I really after here, Like I'm
Speaker 5: after having a fridge that feels a little cleaner that
Speaker 5: feels a little more organized. Like when I open up
Speaker 5: my fridge, I can see all the food that I have.
Speaker 5: It makes me feel good. It doesn't give me anxiety.
Speaker 5: When I open up my fridge, I'm not having to
Speaker 5: like dig through stuff to get to what I need. Like,
Speaker 5: that's truly what I'm after. So how can I create
Speaker 5: that a maybe using things that I already have?
Speaker 1: Ding ding ding ding ding.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Like.
Speaker 5: That's first and foremost, Like how can I create Like
Speaker 5: how can I give myself that feeling or give myself
Speaker 5: that experience with things that I already have or not
Speaker 5: not necessarily needing to like go out and buy like
Speaker 5: you know, the container store containers. Maybe I just like
Speaker 5: pop up to the dollar store and like see what
Speaker 5: I can find at the dollar store so that I'm
Speaker 5: not completely breaking the budget. Because that's this is like
Speaker 5: a little side tangent. But also please remember that most
Speaker 5: of these things that you're seeing, most of these like
Speaker 5: aspirational things that you're seeing on social media, like somebody's desks,
Speaker 5: somebody's fridge, somebody's pantry, they didn't have to pay for
Speaker 5: all that, right, The container store just sent them those containers.
Speaker 5: And said, hey, organize your fridge with all of these
Speaker 5: and make it look really nice and really pretty, so
Speaker 5: they're not actually having to go and spend their money
Speaker 5: on those things.
Speaker 4: They in most cases they were sent a lot of
Speaker 4: that for free.
Speaker 5: Again, it's not bad to spend money, but it's like
Speaker 5: when you're over spending, when you're when you're putting yourself
Speaker 5: into debt, when you're putting your yourself in a position
Speaker 5: where you're having to sacrifice other long term financial goals
Speaker 5: to go out make your fridge look a certain way.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like, Okay, that's kind of when we
Speaker 5: know we've kind of reached the point of like this
Speaker 5: is kind of getting to a point where it's unhealthy.
Speaker 5: So approaching social media from that lens of inspiration versus influence,
Speaker 5: And a question I always ask myself is is like
Speaker 5: what am I really after here? I'm after like, let's
Speaker 5: go back to your wardrobe, gen, because I'm I'm in
Speaker 5: the same spot right like I'm postpartum bodies very different,
Speaker 5: I have a closet full of clothes that doesn't fit
Speaker 5: me anymore, And asking myself the question like what am
Speaker 5: I really really after here?
Speaker 4: What I'm really after is like.
Speaker 5: Feeling more confident, feeling like myself again, putting clothes on
Speaker 5: that like fit my body that I don't feel self
Speaker 5: conscious in. And so it's like that's what I'm truly after,
Speaker 5: And there's one hundred different ways that I could give
Speaker 5: that to myself versus just being like I'm going to
Speaker 5: go buy everything that she has, right, So, inspiration over influence. Now,
Speaker 5: I know I've been talking for a while, but this
Speaker 5: second part of your question where you said, like, how
Speaker 5: how is creators or you know, content creators or you know,
Speaker 5: business owners or whatever. Can we be more conscious of
Speaker 5: this one big thing that I see and this just
Speaker 5: kind of take this and like spin it. For things
Speaker 5: to look out for is just be conscious of the
Speaker 5: way that you talk, and also be conscious of like
Speaker 5: if you're a listener and you're a consumer of social media,
Speaker 5: just be really conscious when you hear people use this
Speaker 5: like really polarizing language like I'm.
Speaker 4: Obsessed with this, you have to have this, this is
Speaker 4: a must have.
Speaker 5: Run don't walk, you know, just like using like that
Speaker 5: sort of language that like honestly like evokes like this
Speaker 5: sense of like urgency and scarcity where it just feels
Speaker 5: like it feels like you get on social media and
Speaker 5: it's like your blood pressure goes up, like your heart
Speaker 5: starts to like beat fast, because it's like every post
Speaker 5: it's people like you have to have this, you need this,
Speaker 5: don't walk Oh my god, like get it before it
Speaker 5: sells out. And then you get off and you're like, ah,
Speaker 5: like I just I feel like I'm just like run
Speaker 5: a marathon, Like this is crazy. So it's just like
Speaker 5: be really conscious, like when you hear people use that language,
Speaker 5: you actually have to like calm.
Speaker 4: Your brain down, like calm your brain down.
Speaker 5: When you feel your brain kind of like activate and
Speaker 5: you almost feel like this like physical reaction, like your
Speaker 5: heart starts beating faster.
Speaker 4: It just kind of feels like you get this like jolt.
Speaker 5: In your body, like be conscious of that, be conscious
Speaker 5: of like what's happening, and giving your space like a
Speaker 5: cool off period to be like okay, like this actually
Speaker 5: isn't as urgent as this person is like trying to
Speaker 5: make me see that it is. And it's like it
Speaker 5: makes sense why they're doing that, because of course they
Speaker 5: want you to buy their stuff. But there's nothing that
Speaker 5: you have to have. There's there's no such like I've
Speaker 5: heard people say this lately. There's no such thing as
Speaker 5: like an Amazon must have. It's like unless they're trying
Speaker 5: to sell you like shelter water, basic food, or basic clothing,
Speaker 5: Like there's no such thing as an Amazon.
Speaker 1: Cars, right, So feeling like hun days or something, just.
Speaker 5: Paying attention to the language that people use, and I
Speaker 5: think like all of us can be conscious about that
Speaker 5: as well, Like when we're also talking about things, it's like,
Speaker 5: you don't have to have this, you don't need it,
Speaker 5: You'll be okay without it. But here's why I like
Speaker 5: it and why you might like it as well.
Speaker 3: So except for a high yield savings account, like I
Speaker 3: don't walk thinking.
Speaker 1: About that, Jill, I literally my head out, like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, I have I think I'm going to do
Speaker 1: a real one run don't walk.
Speaker 5: The cool thing about that is that it doesn't cost money, right,
Speaker 5: So that's for everybody that's free, totally impulse open.
Speaker 1: A don't think about it, just open it up. I
Speaker 1: approve it, do it before you think better.
Speaker 3: I approve that what I am approving of of page
Speaker 3: is everything. But also I love this very tethered, radical
Speaker 3: middle of you don't have to completely get off Instagram
Speaker 3: because you can't trust yourself. Now, that's of course, every
Speaker 3: individual is different, and maybe a break is what some
Speaker 3: people need, but there is no longevity in extremes, and
Speaker 3: we're all going to find ourselves back there. So that
Speaker 3: that old advice of just stop, just tie your hands
Speaker 3: behind your back, I just I think it lacks so
Speaker 3: much empowerment and understanding of our ability to bear influence
Speaker 3: on ourselves to make informed decisions. I don't think we
Speaker 3: have to be so scared of ourselves. But there are
Speaker 3: things we can put in place that can help us,
Speaker 3: because we will kind of take the path of least
Speaker 3: resistance if not thinking about it, we will one click
Speaker 3: by if we're half asleep and we came here for entertainment,
Speaker 3: we didn't even realize that what we're actually doing is shopping.
Speaker 3: I think there are things that we can shift, and
Speaker 3: I really appreciate your encouragement, and I'm just highlighting it
Speaker 3: essentially because I think so often what I would expect
Speaker 3: to hear is just get off of it entirely, and
Speaker 3: it's so wild and extreme and it's unrealistic for the
Speaker 3: day and age that we're living in. But there are
Speaker 3: some really beautiful tangible skills that we can hone and
Speaker 3: things we can be doing that you have cued us
Speaker 3: into that I think can be really helpful for the
Speaker 3: person who is finding themselves not just overspending, certainly spending
Speaker 3: on things that they don't want to be spending on,
Speaker 3: but also, as you've highlighted, experiencing just maybe a lack
Speaker 3: of gratitude or feeling depleted or down or discontent as
Speaker 3: a result of just being on social media, and who
Speaker 3: knows what that leads to even outside of it, even
Speaker 3: if I don't click with the influencer saying what am
Speaker 3: I going to choose for my next vacation or how
Speaker 3: I choose to self soothe if I'm following people who
Speaker 3: are not making me feel great inside myself. So just
Speaker 3: this is my long amen to what you're describing here,
Speaker 3: But I do want to ask one final question to
Speaker 3: you on this route. Are there any additional or specific
Speaker 3: tips that you would give to somebody who is seeing
Speaker 3: Yeah that those are really great tips for kind of
Speaker 3: like your your average spender, But for me, I am
Speaker 3: I'm a TikTok made me buy everything, and this is
Speaker 3: my number one pitfall is I'm scrolling all the time,
Speaker 3: and I'm buying like for the person who's saying this
Speaker 3: is my main reason for overspending and I'm feeling shame
Speaker 3: and secrecy around it. Are there specific social media tips
Speaker 3: that you're going to give to them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I'll tell you a couple of things for
Speaker 5: me that I've done. So I think, first of all,
Speaker 5: like one of the most helpful things that you can
Speaker 5: do is realize that your spending habits and spending is
Speaker 5: a skill, right, And I think that this is like
Speaker 5: one of the biggest mindset shifts that I always want
Speaker 5: all of you to have, Like in the foundation when
Speaker 5: you're on social media scrolling. I always say, like we
Speaker 5: tend to think about like there's certain silos of money
Speaker 5: that I feel like we kind of understand that, like, oh,
Speaker 5: I need to learn how to do that, Like that's
Speaker 5: just not something that I should like know how to do.
Speaker 5: I think investing is a really good example of that, right,
Speaker 5: or maybe even like budgeting, we think like, oh, well,
Speaker 5: I need to learn how to buy I need to
Speaker 5: learn how to invest spending. I always say, we kind
Speaker 5: of think about spending the way we think about breathing,
Speaker 5: in that like we just come into the world and
Speaker 5: we just inherently know how to breathe. No one has
Speaker 5: to teach you how to breathe. You just start breathing.
Speaker 5: And that's kind of how we think about spending money.
Speaker 5: We think like, oh, you just make money and you
Speaker 5: just spend it like this is just something that I
Speaker 5: should know how to do, and because I should know
Speaker 5: how to do it, I should be good at it.
Speaker 5: So then we think, well, I'm not good at it.
Speaker 5: To your point, Jill, every time I get on TikTok,
Speaker 5: I'm buying something, which must just mean that this is
Speaker 5: just something that I'm like inherently bad at and.
Speaker 4: I will be forever.
Speaker 5: When you can actually realize two things. A, this is
Speaker 5: a skill, which means that it's something that I have
Speaker 5: to learn how to do and it's something that I
Speaker 5: can get better at. And B this is simply just
Speaker 5: a habit that I've formed. Right, This is just a
Speaker 5: habit loop that my brain has fallen into. Right, It's
Speaker 5: just like the queue is like I get on TikTok,
Speaker 5: I see something that I want to buy, I go
Speaker 5: and I buy it. When you view it as this
Speaker 5: is just a habit that I've been doing, and it's
Speaker 5: also a skill that I can get better at. I
Speaker 5: think that that's one of the most important places to
Speaker 5: start always because if you do not realize those two things,
Speaker 5: you will never change your behavior around spending. And that's
Speaker 5: like one thing with spending, I call it like you're
Speaker 5: spending self concept where.
Speaker 4: We, like all of us do this. We assume our.
Speaker 5: Spending habits as a part of our identity and as
Speaker 5: a part of our personality. Like we don't say this
Speaker 5: in a lot of other parts of money. We're not like, oh,
Speaker 5: I'm a budgeter, I'm an investor, right, Like I mean,
Speaker 5: like some people like Wall Street bros. Might say that
Speaker 5: or like whatever, but we view it as like, no,
Speaker 5: this is just something that I do, Like I budget,
Speaker 5: I invest. With spending, we're like I'm a shopper, I'm
Speaker 5: an impulse spender, I'm an overspender. Like it just becomes
Speaker 5: this like ingrained part of your identity and personality and
Speaker 5: you're never going to be able to like out run
Speaker 5: or outwork your self concept. So you always have to
Speaker 5: start there. And like that's why I'm really big on
Speaker 5: like whatever it is that we're talking about going deeper
Speaker 5: and evaluating like what is my spending self concept?
Speaker 4: Like, do I.
Speaker 5: Truly believe that this is a behavior that I can change?
Speaker 5: Am I committed to changing this behavior and habit? And
Speaker 5: once we kind of get to that point, then I
Speaker 5: think we can get to a point where we do
Speaker 5: start to put more like tactical kind of measures in place.
Speaker 5: So I'll just tell you a couple of things for
Speaker 5: me that really really helped me curb spending on social media.
Speaker 5: I think that it's absolutely okay to almost set like
Speaker 5: what I call financial boundaries for yourself. And one of
Speaker 5: my financial boundaries that has helped my spending habits a
Speaker 5: lot is I do not buy things on my phone.
Speaker 5: Like if I'm going to buy something, I have to
Speaker 5: either buy it in person or I buy it on
Speaker 5: my desktop computer. I found that for me it was
Speaker 5: just too easy, Like this is what I was saying,
Speaker 5: Like the marketers and the retailers have simply just made
Speaker 5: it too easy and too same list for you to
Speaker 5: just go click click click on your phone, Boom, sixty seconds,
Speaker 5: You've just.
Speaker 4: Spent fifty dollars.
Speaker 5: So a couple of tactical things is like one I
Speaker 5: just make a rule for myself that I just hold
Speaker 5: myself to I don't buy things on my phone. Another
Speaker 5: thing that I do that actually really does help me
Speaker 5: a lot is when I do see something on social
Speaker 5: media that I want to buy, which happens to me
Speaker 5: all the time.
Speaker 4: Of course, like it does to all of us.
Speaker 5: What I will do is I will take a screenshot
Speaker 5: of whatever it is, and I have an album on
Speaker 5: my phone that's called Things I Want to Buy, and
Speaker 5: I will add that screenshot to my Things I Want
Speaker 5: to Buy album.
Speaker 4: And then when I.
Speaker 5: Do get back to my computer, I use a tool
Speaker 5: called like the Things I Want to Buy List, which
Speaker 5: is just a running list of everything that I want
Speaker 5: to buy in the future, and I keep that in Notion.
Speaker 5: Notion is just kind of like an organizational kind of
Speaker 5: like tool that you can use to organize your life.
Speaker 5: Really it's free. You just create an account. You can
Speaker 5: use Notion for a lot of things. But I keep
Speaker 5: mine in Notion and then I'll just like sit down
Speaker 5: maybe like once or twice a week, and I'll kind
Speaker 5: of go through that album and I'll add things to
Speaker 5: my Things I Want to Buy list, and doing that
Speaker 5: does a couple of things. It's kind of like a
Speaker 5: double whammy, which is why I really really love that tool,
Speaker 5: because you have to understand that when you're in that
Speaker 5: habit of seeing something on social media like see it,
Speaker 5: want it, buy it, really all you're after in that
Speaker 5: moment is you're really just after like a feel good.
Speaker 4: Hit of dopamine.
Speaker 5: And I think if you really slow down like in
Speaker 5: the moment, what you'll typically realize is I'm mostly doing
Speaker 5: this because it's fun and it feels good, and I'm
Speaker 5: much less focused on like the actual thing that I'm buying.
Speaker 5: And that's why for a lot of you, it probably
Speaker 5: feels like you might have this observation about yourself for
Speaker 5: like a lot of the things you buy on social media,
Speaker 5: like once you actually get them, you're kind of like
Speaker 5: it's cool, but you know, I'm definitely not as excited
Speaker 5: about it like as I was when I first saw
Speaker 5: it and when I clicked that buy button.
Speaker 4: That's really what you.
Speaker 5: Want, is you want that feel good hit of dopamine.
Speaker 5: The Things I Want to Buy List gives you that
Speaker 5: because really dopamine, like scientists call it like the anticipation molecule,
Speaker 5: which means that most of it is released in anticipation
Speaker 5: of the thing that you want. So that's why I'm
Speaker 5: such a proponent of waiting and delaying gratification with your purchases,
Speaker 5: because I know a lot of us have gotten out
Speaker 5: of the habit of delaying.
Speaker 4: Gratification with our purchases.
Speaker 5: But when you can do it and practice it, you
Speaker 5: will actually realize, like, oh, this actually feels so much
Speaker 5: better to me than getting the thing that I want.
Speaker 4: Right away, because the best that.
Speaker 5: Anything is ever going to feel is like the period
Speaker 5: of time leading up to the purchase and then when
Speaker 5: you make the purchase, and like a very short period
Speaker 5: of time after you've made the purchase. As soon as
Speaker 5: you make a purchase, that purchase immediately starts to depreciate,
Speaker 5: like mentally and emotionally, right like immediately. It's like once
Speaker 5: you get that hit of dopamine and you've hit that
Speaker 5: buy button, It's like it's immediately going to start going down.
Speaker 5: That's why, like you get so excited about a purchase
Speaker 5: and then like two weeks later, you've like completely forgotten
Speaker 5: about it, and you're like, I can't, like two weeks ago,
Speaker 5: I was so excited for this thing, and now I
Speaker 5: like haven't given it a second thought in you know,
Speaker 5: a week. So when you can add things to your
Speaker 5: things I want to buy list, it one gives your
Speaker 5: brain that cool off period, because when you see something
Speaker 5: that you want to buy, it's like the pleasure systems
Speaker 5: and your brain are activated. You start to get your
Speaker 5: brain start to get flooded with dopamine. Your brain goes
Speaker 5: from being in a very logical state of mind to
Speaker 5: a very emotional state of mind. And the emotional state
Speaker 5: of mind like your caveman, your lizard brain, the part
Speaker 5: of your brain that just wants the dopamine hit. That's
Speaker 5: not the place that we really want to be making
Speaker 5: purchasing decisions from, because again it's only after doing what
Speaker 5: feels good, not about making aligned purchases. So when you
Speaker 5: can add something to that list, it gives your brain
Speaker 5: a cool off period, and when you get to add
Speaker 5: it to the list, it also does give you that
Speaker 5: opamine hit because it's like you getting to relish in
Speaker 5: that anticipation of the purchase. So if you can just
Speaker 5: do two things, like well, I guess just one thing, right,
Speaker 5: one easy thing that all of us can start doing
Speaker 5: is starting a things I want to buy list and
Speaker 5: telling yourself like I'm I'm always going to give myself.
Speaker 4: I think seventy two hours is a good rule of thumb.
Speaker 5: But if that even seems too long to you at
Speaker 5: this point, give yourself twenty four hours, Like just start
Speaker 5: a role with yourself to say, I'm always going to
Speaker 5: give myself at least twenty four hours to kind of
Speaker 5: like sit with a purchase on social media, because even
Speaker 5: for me, I would say, like half the stuff that
Speaker 5: goes onto my things I want to buy list, I
Speaker 5: don't end up buying because after amount of time, I'm
Speaker 5: like okay, like I'm my brain got a little hyper
Speaker 5: about this, and I'm fine and I'm moving on from it.
Speaker 5: So that's definitely a more like tactical thing just starting
Speaker 5: starting that and something that I do. And then if
Speaker 5: you want to kind of think about some financial boundaries
Speaker 5: to put in place, maybe you do what I do
Speaker 5: and you say like I'm not going to spend any
Speaker 5: money on.
Speaker 4: My phone or I mean there's tons of stuff that
Speaker 4: you could.
Speaker 5: There's like there's app blockers, there's website blockers. But I'm
Speaker 5: with you, Jill, I don't think that the goal is
Speaker 5: to say like I'm never going to get on social
Speaker 5: media ever again.
Speaker 4: Like if it's a part of your life.
Speaker 5: Like I know, some people can cut it out completely,
Speaker 5: but being honest, it's just a huge part of our
Speaker 5: world now. And the goal isn't to completely cut yourself
Speaker 5: off from your triggers. The goal is to evolve so
Speaker 5: that you can be exposed to your triggers and behave.
Speaker 4: In a different way than you've behaved before. That's the goal.
Speaker 1: A men, Amen, Amen, And this is why I'm so
Speaker 1: excited to have you on page because you're literally the
Speaker 1: only other person besides the two of us that talks
Speaker 1: about spending as a skill in this way and learning
Speaker 1: how to do it well instead of avoiding the things
Speaker 1: that could cause potential problems and limiting ourselves in that way.
Speaker 1: And it's so refreshing. Do you hear somebody else say
Speaker 1: it too?
Speaker 3: But do you know what it does give us? The
Speaker 3: dopamine hit that we want through the entire time, anticipation,
Speaker 3: the actual act, the follow through. It delivers hard and.
Speaker 1: Strong, and even going throughout my day, I'm still feeling
Speaker 1: the dopamine.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 7: It's time for the best minute of your entire week.
Speaker 7: Maybe a baby was born and his name is Williams.
Speaker 7: Maybe you've paid off your mortgage, maybe your car died
Speaker 7: and you're happy to not have to pay that bill anymore.
Speaker 7: That's bills, Buffalo bills, Bill Clinton. This is the Bill
Speaker 7: of the Week page.
Speaker 1: Every week we invite our listeners and our guests to
Speaker 1: share with us their bill for the week, and we
Speaker 1: would love to hear.
Speaker 4: Yours great question. So, Okay, I thought about this.
Speaker 5: I actually I want to share something that I recently
Speaker 5: started doing that I'm actually really enjoying spending my money on.
Speaker 5: Like every time I spend my money on this, I'm like, yes,
Speaker 5: like this is a bill that I'm very happy to
Speaker 5: pay every single month. I know we've been talking about
Speaker 5: deinfluencing this entire episode, so again, eyes wide open here, everybody.
Speaker 5: But something that I recently started using was newly. Have
Speaker 5: you guys done like the clothing rental? Like I know, Jen,
Speaker 5: we were talking about like clothing it's kind of like
Speaker 5: rent rent the runway, but they send you like six
Speaker 5: clothing pieces every single month. But I recently started doing it,
Speaker 5: and I'm really really enjoying it because, like we were saying, Jen,
Speaker 5: I'm postpartum. Body looks a lot different now postpartum than
Speaker 5: it was before I had my daughter, And it's been
Speaker 5: really fun because you can just try like a bunch
Speaker 5: of different styles and sizes and like see what you like.
Speaker 4: So I've really been enjoying that.
Speaker 5: And every every month when like I spend money on it,
Speaker 5: like it always feels really good to me, I'm like.
Speaker 4: Yes, like.
Speaker 3: We love that. That's the thing. I'm never not gonna spend.
Speaker 3: We're going to spend, and we all have to clothe ourselves.
Speaker 3: That isn't essential. How we do that can look a
Speaker 3: variety of different ways. But I think something that feels
Speaker 3: like it's serving you, it's helping you, really zero in
Speaker 3: on what looks good on me now, what is my
Speaker 3: style at this stage and season of life. And I've
Speaker 3: set this money aside. I'm doing this intentionally. This is
Speaker 3: really enjoyable for me, Like we're here for that. And
Speaker 3: I think that's why it's worth identifying people that you
Speaker 3: follow that you do also trust, because I want to
Speaker 3: hear recommendations from friends, Like if there's a problem to
Speaker 3: be solved and it's important enough to me, I will
Speaker 3: pay for efficiency. I want to know what works because
Speaker 3: I don't want to be spending on this time and
Speaker 3: time and time and time again. I want to find
Speaker 3: the thing. I want multiple voices to tell me that
Speaker 3: this is going to be the thing that's helpful for me.
Speaker 3: Like there are situations where I want to know, I
Speaker 3: want the reference, I want the referral. Yeah, And I
Speaker 3: want to be able to spend on the things that
Speaker 3: are valuable to me, so I know, and I.
Speaker 5: Will I will say this too, Right, Like spending money
Speaker 5: on it's like almost like spending money that ultimately ends
Speaker 5: up like saving you more because I truly feel like
Speaker 5: ever since I've started doing that, I'm actually spending less
Speaker 5: money on clothing, right because it's like I'm I'm almost
Speaker 5: getting to like spend my money and get pieces of
Speaker 5: clothing that I know that a year from now I'm
Speaker 5: probably not going to love as much as I love
Speaker 5: them now, right, But it's like I get to wear
Speaker 5: them for a month and then I get to send
Speaker 5: it back. And so when I do buy a piece
Speaker 5: of clothing now that I'm doing this, I'm really a
Speaker 5: value waiting it through, Like is this something that I'm
Speaker 5: really going to love like for two three plus years?
Speaker 5: Like more of like my staples, It's like those are
Speaker 5: the things that I'll buy and spend money on, and
Speaker 5: then I get to do like the more like fun
Speaker 5: trendy things that I'm like I hear from now, I
Speaker 5: probably won't love this as much like I get to
Speaker 5: do that through through it, so I feel like it's
Speaker 5: actually saving me a lot of money too, which is
Speaker 5: kind of cool.
Speaker 3: That's so fun. If you all listening want to submit
Speaker 3: your bill, if it has to do with something that
Speaker 3: you're just really enjoying to spend money on, you don't
Speaker 3: mind that someone influenced you to buy something, then then
Speaker 3: tell us about it. Or if you you've got a
Speaker 3: bill about being incredibly deinfluenced, uninterested, not spending your money
Speaker 3: on social media, we're also here for that for girlfriendspodcast
Speaker 3: dot com slash bill can't wait to hear it. And
Speaker 3: now it's time for.
Speaker 6: Around Pew.
Speaker 1: So today's lightning round a social media influencer you swear
Speaker 1: by or I was also thinking about this. I think
Speaker 1: I have a question that I have a better answer for.
Speaker 1: What's a social media ad that you got that was
Speaker 1: just unhinged?
Speaker 3: Oh? I like that question better. We're going to do.
Speaker 1: That page you can answer each Okay, Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: feel like I don't know if you feel this way, Jen,
Speaker 1: but like I feel like once you get pregnant and
Speaker 1: the internet like finds out that you're pregnant, Yes, it's
Speaker 1: like the amount of ads that you get for like
Speaker 1: baby stuff and motherhood stuff, it's like it's wild. But
Speaker 1: like I will say, like the ads that prey on
Speaker 1: your fear as a mom, like those those are like
Speaker 1: the worst to me because I'm like, well, I was
Speaker 1: having a great until I had to watch this video
Speaker 1: of this little baby choking on something. And now I
Speaker 1: feel like I need to buy this like three hundred
Speaker 1: dollars choking device so that my daughter doesn't choke and die.
Speaker 1: But it's like I feel like ads like that that
Speaker 1: I'm just like that was intense, Like that was really
Speaker 1: really intense, like for me to have to sit here
Speaker 1: and like.
Speaker 5: Watch like somebody's home video footage of that happening. So
Speaker 5: like it's like when you become a mom in the
Speaker 5: internet like finds out that you're pregnant, it's just like
Speaker 5: the amount of ads that you get for like mom
Speaker 5: stuff and it's all based on like being a good
Speaker 5: mom and praying on your fears.
Speaker 3: It's crazy, but it unhinged.
Speaker 1: It's it is unhinged for sure, because your hormones are
Speaker 1: already crazy. You're not thinking straight and there's no way
Speaker 1: to think completely straight. You're just like at in a
Speaker 1: season where you're not like able to fully process.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 3: Worst, What about you? John?
Speaker 7: So?
Speaker 1: I was served an ad this is and I actually
Speaker 1: posted it on TikTok too, But it was for a
Speaker 1: human sized like a dog bed or a cat bed
Speaker 1: like I don't know what type of bed it was
Speaker 1: meant to be, but it was meant to be like
Speaker 1: some sort of animal bed for humans.
Speaker 4: That was it.
Speaker 3: That was so you could pretend to be an animal
Speaker 3: in this bed.
Speaker 1: Yes, you could put it on your floor and sleep
Speaker 1: in it. And I'm trying to find the the screenshot
Speaker 1: of it, but I probably believe it.
Speaker 3: Probably. I'll tell you why, Jen All you're talking about
Speaker 3: putting kai on the floor or an animals not like
Speaker 3: an animal in the night. They're just like eat up
Speaker 3: a bed on the floor.
Speaker 1: A viable option for having your child sleep in your room,
Speaker 1: but not in your bed.
Speaker 3: Well, getting that at there we go.
Speaker 1: It's called floor bed and there you go, right, it's
Speaker 1: not I didn't come up with it, y'all. I didn't
Speaker 1: come up with it. Okay, here's the technique.
Speaker 3: You can't.
Speaker 1: I know you you listening won't be able to see it.
Speaker 1: But like I post now, it's gonna go through the
Speaker 1: whole SpongeBob thing posted. It doesn't mean but it's this, like.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you can really see it that
Speaker 4: it's okay for humans. Yeah, the world we live in is.
Speaker 3: So is an animal bed for humans? Just a bed?
Speaker 3: Did you see?
Speaker 1: That's think of a dog bed, but big enough for
Speaker 1: a human.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: That's a floor bed like.
Speaker 1: Floor bed, way better in bed, nicer than Kay's flour bed.
Speaker 3: I'll be honest, wow, Jill, Okay, not gonna lie you guys.
Speaker 3: This is one of the things that I pride myself
Speaker 3: in is how little the internet actually knows about me.
Speaker 3: And really, I shouldn't be bragging and I shouldn't be
Speaker 3: proud of this, because what it actually indicates is how
Speaker 3: awful I am at understanding how to navigate social media.
Speaker 3: I was late to the game and getting a smartphone
Speaker 3: late to the game in everything, just late to the game.
Speaker 3: So I'm still understanding and learning, like how to use
Speaker 3: my phone how to use social media, and so as
Speaker 3: a result, I get the most wild ads and I
Speaker 3: don't really want to change it. I don't want social
Speaker 3: media to know more about me, but they do not
Speaker 3: have me locked down yet. One of my recent ads
Speaker 3: that feels unhinged to me because it is not anywhere
Speaker 3: close to anything I would ever be interested in purchasing
Speaker 3: is metal. Nope, sorry wrong start Wooden bats hollowed out
Speaker 3: like bats like the sport baseball baseball bats, ye, wooden
Speaker 3: hollowed out like cut in half and hollowed out with
Speaker 3: then engravings of different baseball teams wooden engravings or like
Speaker 3: seared with fire into the wooden baseball bat of like
Speaker 3: the Dodgers. Are they a baseball team? Yeah? I don't know.
Speaker 3: I only know because of this ad. Are the Dodgers
Speaker 3: at baseball team? Did the ad get it? I don't know,
Speaker 3: but it was like, you can get your own hollowed
Speaker 3: out wooden baseball bat beer stein engraved with your baseball
Speaker 3: team of choosing. Well, there that's a thing you could buy. Well,
Speaker 3: you did go to.
Speaker 1: Another game once, you did go to that baseball game
Speaker 1: that one time.
Speaker 3: So they want to sell me golf polos they wanted
Speaker 3: to sell me wallets like made of steel that you
Speaker 3: could run over with your truck. I don't have a truck.
Speaker 3: I have a scooter.
Speaker 1: You did look at a truck on the street one time?
Speaker 3: These it they all feel so unhinged to me. People
Speaker 3: are talking about these ads that they're seeing on their Instagram.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't think I get ads, and they're
Speaker 3: all like, there is no way Instagram is only made
Speaker 3: of ads. So then I'm like, all right, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go to Instagram and try and find the ads. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is why, because I'm just like not paying attention
Speaker 3: to beer Stine.
Speaker 5: Just telling you all these things that like you didn't
Speaker 5: even know exists that now.
Speaker 4: You're like, oh I need that now.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that is I need a wallet that can
Speaker 5: be run over by a truck and be fine, right because.
Speaker 1: I hate it every time I run over my wallet
Speaker 1: with my truck. All of the plastic such a nick
Speaker 1: cards flex.
Speaker 3: So yeah, try my try my trick. Try my trick
Speaker 3: where you have no idea how social media works, so
Speaker 3: you don't even know how to train the algorithm, and
Speaker 3: then the algorithm tries to sell you stuff You one
Speaker 3: hundred percent won't buy I'm valid.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be valid for part of our audience. I
Speaker 1: think like you're actually going to be giving usable tips.
Speaker 1: So that's amazing. Paige, You're amazing. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for coming on. I know everyone's going to want to
Speaker 1: get more from you, So where would you like them
Speaker 1: to get more from you?
Speaker 5: Probably the easiest place to get plugged in, so you know,
Speaker 5: to go with the conversation social media. So my handles
Speaker 5: on Instagram and TikTok are at Overcoming, Underscore Overspending. I
Speaker 5: also have a podcast, so obviously you're here you really
Speaker 5: like podcast. If you want another money podcast in addition
Speaker 5: to this amazing one to add up into your lineup.
Speaker 5: My podcast is called The Money Love Podcast, and I
Speaker 5: do have If this is something that you're like, I
Speaker 5: definitely need to work on my spending habits if you
Speaker 5: know that, like outflow is your problem, Like once you
Speaker 5: get the money, you're like, I get the money, and
Speaker 5: then that's kind of where things start to like go awry.
Speaker 5: That's obviously where my work is and where I come in.
Speaker 5: I have a monthly membership that's called Overcoming Overspending, where
Speaker 5: you come in you get my entire process that I teach.
Speaker 5: I have a three phase process, and then you also
Speaker 5: get monthly live coaching with me. We do a ton
Speaker 5: of live coaching. We meet ten to twelve times every
Speaker 5: single month. We meet two to three times a week
Speaker 5: on Zoom where you can come and get coaching from
Speaker 5: me and get community and support and accountability from all
Speaker 5: the other people in the group. So you can join
Speaker 5: us at Overcoming Overspending if you would like to check
Speaker 5: that out and try it out for a month.
Speaker 3: Awesome thank you page, thanks for being here.
Speaker 4: Thanks ladies, this was fun.
Speaker 1: I thoroughly enjoyed talking about social media with Paige and
Speaker 1: I love so it's a love hate relationship with social media, right,
Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody can say that. And so to figure
Speaker 1: out these healthy routines, healthier habits, to really take advantage
Speaker 1: of the beauty of social media and protect ourselves from
Speaker 1: some of the dangers of it. I think that's the
Speaker 1: radical middle of social media.
Speaker 4: And this was a.
Speaker 1: Conversation I'm really glad that we had.
Speaker 3: I really did expect her to say something along the
Speaker 3: lines of just get off of social media. It's not
Speaker 3: good for you, and that can be a journey some
Speaker 3: people take, but usually there's not much longevity in that,
Speaker 3: and so better to just get more in touch with ourselves,
Speaker 3: our habits, our triggers, find better coping skills, understanding you
Speaker 3: name it. And I also love that there are people
Speaker 3: out there that we can choose to follow and curate
Speaker 3: our online experience in a way that isn't going to
Speaker 3: hurt us in the short term or long term. Like
Speaker 3: what we're doing this whole month, every single day, you
Speaker 3: can follow frugle Friend's podcast. We won't be selling you anything,
Speaker 3: We're going to be encouraging you not to buy anything.
Speaker 3: So if that sounds like what you need Frugal Friends podcast,
Speaker 3: We're here for you on Instagram.
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you so much for listening and follow hellowing
Speaker 1: along with our no spend challenges on the friend letter
Speaker 1: and on social media. If this has been helpful, If
Speaker 1: no Spend January ends up helping you in any way,
Speaker 1: please consider leaving a rating or review on Apple Podcasts
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Speaker 1: are lighthearted, realistic, down to earth, and so helpful. In
Speaker 1: introducing the basics of frugality to every kind of situation.
Speaker 1: Even when they talk about familiar concepts, I'm still inspired
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Speaker 3: Ooh, that was a good one. Thank you so much
Speaker 3: for leaving that review. I like what you said about
Speaker 3: familiar concepts because, yeah, we can't reinvent everything. Some things
Speaker 3: we do try and reinvent, but some things are just
Speaker 3: going to be familiar, but they still need to be
Speaker 3: oftentimes repeated again and again. So we're glad to create
Speaker 3: a spicy, fun spin on that. So thank you and
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Speaker 3: able to know what this podcast is about and discern
Speaker 3: if it's going to be right for them.
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you so much. We'll see you next time.
Speaker 4: Rugal Friends is produced by Eric Sirianni.
Speaker 3: I gotta admit, Jen, I watch mostly funny things on
Speaker 3: my Instagram. I probably should curate it to be a
Speaker 3: little bit more educational bye, but I go there to laugh.
Speaker 3: I pretty much scroll until I laugh, and then once
Speaker 3: I've gotten at least one laugh, then I'll move on.
Speaker 1: Ah, and you send me here's the thing, you send
Speaker 1: me these videos. So yesterday when you sent me that
Speaker 1: one about the the Kardashians the iPad, I went to
Speaker 1: that creator's profile and all of the videos are then
Speaker 1: just recreating Kardashian things, and I don't I've never watched
Speaker 1: the Kardashians, so I don't understand the jokes, but they
Speaker 1: are funny. And one was that he had a headache,
Speaker 1: and this was totally this was actually just a total
Speaker 1: like bizarre moment outside of any of the funny things
Speaker 1: that the other videos have. And he was like, I
Speaker 1: have uh, I had a health scare. And then the
Speaker 1: dramatic music plays and everyone's like, oh my gosh, and
Speaker 1: he's like, I had a headache yesterday. And then the
Speaker 1: one girl is like she she's like a headache, and
Speaker 1: then it cuts to him in the like talking to
Speaker 1: the camera and he's like it started as a headache
Speaker 1: and progressed to levitation. The short clip of him like
Speaker 1: levitating like he's possessed, and it was just so bizarre, unexpected.
Speaker 1: I died, Yeah, I died.
Speaker 3: It's a good one. I have been following that one
Speaker 3: for a while, but when it crossed over into this
Speaker 3: whole dramatic scene about buying an iPad, it was perfect
Speaker 3: for U Jen because you just bought an iPad, and
Speaker 3: for anyone who's listened to I forget what episode it was,
Speaker 3: but it was like you confessing to me that you
Speaker 3: had bought an iPad on the business card and you
Speaker 3: wanted to tell me while we were still recording because
Speaker 3: it felt safer to you then if you would have
Speaker 3: just told me off off the pod and so I oh,
Speaker 3: it felt like a perfect one. If anyone is still
Speaker 3: with us as like, who is this Instagram handle? It's
Speaker 3: Bowmanizer like boh man iSER and an i z er
Speaker 3: real fun one definitely does these like riffs off of
Speaker 3: the Kardashians, and it's very funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate your research in this field. It benefits
Speaker 1: everyone else.
Speaker 3: You would have no idea what I actually enjoy or
Speaker 3: do with my life. It's just a lot of comedy
Speaker 3: in my Instagram.
Speaker 1: Yes,