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Speaker 1: Ah one more podcast to end the calendar year. Why not?

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 1: This is No Dunk's emergency pod. We've got skeets here,

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Speaker 1: we've got tasks, we've got tray in the yard because

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Speaker 1: we have an emergency podcast, because we got a trade.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Let's just chuck it up here for everybody. Right now,

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Speaker 1: reports from the big wigs. We're talking Shaan's, we're talking woe.

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Speaker 1: So you know it's a fish. The Raptors are trading

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Speaker 1: Ojianna Noobi, Precious Atchua, and Malachi Flynn to the New

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Speaker 1: York Knicks for r J, Barrett Emmanuel Quickly and a

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four second round pick by way of the

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Speaker 1: Detroit Pistons.

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Speaker 2: So it's almost a first round pick.

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Speaker 1: Really when you squint, it just looks like it early

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Speaker 1: there in the second Wow task, Mellie, give me some

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Speaker 1: Raptor news.

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Speaker 3: What do you think The Raptors always steal from the Knicks,

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Speaker 3: so they automatically win this trade right here, right now.

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Speaker 3: I know people getting rid of ogn and Obi maybe

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Speaker 3: hurt a little bit, and not getting first round picks,

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Speaker 3: maybe hurting some people. But when you trade into the

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Speaker 3: next I don't think it really matters because the Knicks

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Speaker 3: are very good. So if it's gonna be a first

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Speaker 3: und pack, it's still gonna be deep. I think getting

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Speaker 3: Emmanuel Quickly is real nice, and I start with him

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Speaker 3: over RJ. Barrett because I think he's been a fantastic score.

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Speaker 3: The Raptors need a score, the Knicks need a good defender,

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Speaker 3: so I think both win. But Quickly has been balling

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Speaker 3: right recently. You see some of these streaks that he

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Speaker 3: goes on. Drop in twenty against OKC in twenty two minutes,

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Speaker 3: five minutes. That was a good one. Anyways, the guy

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Speaker 3: just a great score. And he hasn't been playing. That's

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Speaker 3: the weird thing for the Knicks. I understand why they're

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Speaker 3: doing this because they got so many guards as perimeter players,

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Speaker 3: like they just don't stop. They put Quickly out there,

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Speaker 3: but then they pull them. They put Tivi, Chanzo, Grimes,

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Speaker 3: Heart Barrett. They're gonna give they're they're gonna give O

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Speaker 3: Jannobi a ton of money here when they cut down

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Speaker 3: here by giving a couple guys away. But I think

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Speaker 3: Quickly has got better offensive offensive peak than o jan Andobi,

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Speaker 3: and so why not trade it because they don't want

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Speaker 3: to give og an Andobi. The Reps don't want to

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Speaker 3: pay him forty million per year. What the Knicks are

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Speaker 3: going to do this offseason, They're going to get give

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Speaker 3: this a shot with starting with Quickly and then r

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Speaker 3: just so up and down. I think getting Quickly he's

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Speaker 3: got a great peak. He's the sixth man of the

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Speaker 3: Year contents last year was second and that was minutes

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Speaker 3: have gone down by five. It doesn't really make a

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Speaker 3: lot of sense to me. I think it's a great

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Speaker 1: Is this one of these rare win win trades tk

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Speaker 1: that both teams are going to be happy in the

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Speaker 1: end with the nick og sort of a obviously a

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Speaker 1: perimeter defender, one of the best in the league that

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Speaker 1: slots in there instead of RJ who's up and down.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, like Tas said, you've got Brunson as your

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Speaker 1: But the Raptors need that, they need scoring punch at

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Speaker 2: Or what do you think.

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Speaker 4: I guess the question comes down to, would you rather

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Speaker 4: pay RJ, Barrett and Emmanuel quickly going forward or would

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Speaker 4: you rather pay ogn and Obie going forward. Both of

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Speaker 4: the teams looked at the players they had and said,

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Speaker 4: we want the other guy. I think that's kind of interesting.

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Speaker 4: OG I think definitely is great for the next I

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Speaker 4: think he's exactly what they need. There's been talks about

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Speaker 4: them being in the mix for Zach Lavine, Donovan Mitchell

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Speaker 4: should he become available, but they really needed somebody who

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Speaker 4: think Og absolutely can do assuming he re signs there.

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Speaker 4: As for the Raptors, I think it'll be fun for

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Speaker 4: the re In this deal, RJ can look like an

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Speaker 2: I think he's just so up and down.

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Speaker 4: But you have to look at this team going forward

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Speaker 2: But it should be interesting to see.

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Speaker 4: A legitimate off the dribble threat next to Scottie Barnes.

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Speaker 4: Not to mention whatever RJ. Barrett can actually give the

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Speaker 4: But I think this is kind of two teams looking

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Speaker 1: Yeah, TK slipped it in there. I mean, it's like

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Speaker 1: basically a given that OG is going to test free

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Speaker 1: saying you had the Pacers and I believe the Grizzlies

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Speaker 1: The idea quickly as a as a young star player

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Speaker 3: Oh, looking back at the February trade deadline, I honestly

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Speaker 3: got a really good player. It's it's funny how these

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Speaker 3: just it's perfect. The Reps have so many huge wings

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Speaker 3: good scoring guard. Well, the Knicks they got all these

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Speaker 3: but they need to get better on the perimeter defending.

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Speaker 3: They go get Og. So it makes a lot of

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Speaker 3: sense to do what they both did, and they're gonna

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Speaker 3: be a damn good team. I mean they're they're both

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Speaker 3: I think it makes a lot of sense. And just

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Speaker 3: hope that RJ. Barrett becomes a little bit better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't hold your breath, but hopefully as a

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Speaker 1: we got three players involved in this trade that are

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Speaker 1: at times vastly overrated by their fan bases, by some

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Speaker 4: Well, I think this doesn't really give us any sort

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Speaker 4: a lot of picks that they could move. They still

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Speaker 2: So I don't think we really know there, because this

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Speaker 4: They're already paying for Barrett. They clearly didn't want to

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Speaker 4: like Og and Andobe going forward because it's a position

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Speaker 4: to give up a first round pick, so I think

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Speaker 4: they're probably happy with this trade. As for the Raptors,

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Speaker 4: I can honestly see it going both ways. Trading for Barrett,

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Speaker 4: currently good players, so it doesn't feel like the Raptors

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Speaker 4: From that perspective, it feels to me like the Raptors

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Speaker 3: Oh the Raps love to do that. I totally agree.

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Speaker 1: I'm not convinced he's ever gonna be a superstar, but

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Speaker 1: Well, then an RJ Barrett contract ain't gonna look that bad.

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Speaker 2: Detroit Pistons.

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Speaker 4: Maybe a winner in this trade since you assume that

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Speaker 4: So maybe the Pistons get a win since players are

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they look damn good against the Celtics. Getting to

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Speaker 2: Is this Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Is this Messiah like playing like forty chess here, He's like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be the team that loses to Detroit. We're

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Speaker 2: Not that good.

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Speaker 1: Well, now I got an excuse. I just traded, uh

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Speaker 2: What we are we gonna do? Okay?

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Speaker 1: We lost? Here, you go, right?

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Speaker 2: Six players to play what I can't play us?

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Speaker 3: Wow, they're still the worst team in the NBA. They've

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Speaker 1: sure you subscribe to No Dunks Again. We did not

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Speaker 1: It really does make sense from both sides, both organizations.

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Speaker 1: People are definitely gonna assume that Messiah is always going

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Speaker 1: Gibson, Okay, he's chipping in, But I think Pressure is

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Speaker 2: He'll get a chance. And Tim's will be like, what

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Probably probably, that's the kind of guy that he loves

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I've never been a Malachi Flynn fan. So good

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Speaker 4: I'd like to see Malachi Flynn and Dante di Vincenzo

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Speaker 1: Just pointing at each other.

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Speaker 3: DiVincenzo even who's played really well Clinton Grimes, guys who

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Speaker 3: play hard defensively but are pretty good offensively enough to

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Speaker 3: stay on the court. That's why Emmanuel Quickly, who was

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Speaker 3: good defensively, but as a baller had to be dealt

439
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Speaker 3: just to just to kind of help them direct themselves

440
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Speaker 3: where the heck they're going here? And they're going big

441
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Speaker 3: on Og. Uh, And they were able to move on

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Speaker 3: from RJ Barrett, who's yeah, I think the biggest question

443
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Speaker 3: mark for everybody looking at this trade. You know, he

444
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Speaker 3: definitely has good, good minutes, good games, but they you know,

445
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Speaker 3: they they traded two for one here. Apologies to Malachi

446
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Speaker 3: Flint and precious to you, but two for one here, Yeah,

447
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Speaker 3: to see what what they could get. Uh, And OG's

448
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 3: got to see see what he could do in an

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Speaker 3: increased increased minutes. And I wonder if he's going to

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Speaker 3: be entirely happy because he's he's always been the guy.

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Speaker 3: It looks like he wants to be more of a

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Speaker 3: number one type of guy. And he's he's lived with being,

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Speaker 3: you know, a complimentary guy. But with Brunson and Randall

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Speaker 3: shooting a ton like they do, he's going to be

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Speaker 3: shooting the same. He's not going to be a creator.

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Speaker 3: So I wonder how happy and excited he's going to be.

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Speaker 3: Mew Kat heard a cat. Now that's allowed that's allowed

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Speaker 3: me out.

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Speaker 4: To give some thoughts here on the take. I'm sure

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Speaker 4: he's a a Manuel Quickly fan as a wild cat himself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, that's right. Uh, we see people here

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Speaker 1: in the stream team and you're gonna see a lot

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Speaker 1: of this. Uh obviously RJ Barrett coming home to Toronto,

464
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Speaker 1: Canadian kid from the area.

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Speaker 2: Now they gotta go get Sga.

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Speaker 1: Okay, good luck with that from the Thunder more likely, Wiggins, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I can see that happening.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure the Warriors would do that, just.

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Speaker 1: Get all the Canadians up there. I wouldn't count on it.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Sga is going to be leaving the

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Speaker 1: Thunder anytime soon, but I hope you're right. Final thoughts

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Speaker 1: as we start wrapping up this little emergency pod. Anything

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Speaker 1: else to add, gentlemen, TK you got anything else in

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Speaker 1: the bag?

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Speaker 4: My official verdict on the trade is I think the

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Speaker 4: Raptors got the best guy and Emmanuel Quickly, but I

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Speaker 4: think the Knicks got the best end of the deal,

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Speaker 4: getting a piece that fits per perfectly in OG and

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Speaker 4: not having to trade a first round pick at all

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Speaker 4: for it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I'm just looking at the Knicks roster and wondering where

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Speaker 3: they go next if there is a move to be done,

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Speaker 3: because they're going to have a fantastic starting lineup and

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Speaker 3: a foursome of guys that just are gonna keep churning

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Speaker 3: at the guard spot. They are going to be solid. Uh,

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Speaker 3: And you know it's up to Brunson to light this

488
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Speaker 3: team up offensively now without quickly, because quickly was it

489
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Speaker 3: was damn good in his minutes, but both both when

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Speaker 3: in this in this trade, I wonder what's gonna happen

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Speaker 3: to RJ Barrett long term, how much they're gonna how

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Speaker 3: much they're gonna play him really, I mean they're going

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Speaker 3: to give him a chance there too as well to

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Speaker 3: be able to score.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he slots right into basically OJ's starting spot,

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Speaker 1: so you know he's he's not gonna be buried on

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Speaker 1: a bench or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm look, it's like the like like the Dennis Schreuder experiment.

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Speaker 1: There's gonna be very good games and very bad games.

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Speaker 1: And I'm a little fearful of Raptors fans turning on

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Speaker 1: RJ when he goes in his three four, five game slop.

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Speaker 1: But I again, maybe the comforts of home, you know,

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Speaker 1: family and friends all around him, unlocks him, and he

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Speaker 1: becomes more consistent player. Right, I can't wait to find out.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, Quickly is the real the real cue the

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Speaker 1: real question mark of this one. I like the trade

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Speaker 1: for both teams.

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Speaker 2: I really do.

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Speaker 1: Knicks were convinced they weren't keeping Quickly and signing him.

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Speaker 1: Somebody had asked earlier. He like makes four point what

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Speaker 1: seven million? Four point one million, so he will be

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Speaker 1: looking for a huge pay increase because they couldn't come

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Speaker 1: to an agreement, the Knicks and Quickly. So he's gonna

515
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Speaker 1: hope to get that from Toronto. But the Knicks weren't

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Speaker 1: keeping him and and the Raptors could not let another.

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Speaker 2: Guy go for nothing.

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Speaker 1: And we're active in at least getting talent to young

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Speaker 1: players to again pair with Barns, And maybe that makes

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Speaker 1: more sense. I think they should stay aggressive looking to

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Speaker 1: move Siakam. I think you know, you look for another

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Speaker 1: young player or two, a pick or two, an actual

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Speaker 1: first round pick Firstacam. I think it's a move you make.

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Speaker 1: The Raptors are not really going to be making any

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Speaker 1: noise moving forward this season, like they're not even gonna

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Speaker 1: be in the play in probably maybe maybe who knows,

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Speaker 1: but you're looking ahead. So I would say cash in

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Speaker 1: if you can on Siakam though, though I mean you

529
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Speaker 1: probably should have done that a while ago, and his

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Speaker 1: trade value will fluctuate depending on the other names available

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Speaker 1: on a market. I mean, he's a guy that a

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Speaker 1: lot of teams would want. He's a lot of teams

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Speaker 1: would convince themselves he could take us to the next level.

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Speaker 1: So I think they should be aggressive doing that. But

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Speaker 1: you guys, you know, we're trying to convince me that

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Speaker 1: they wouldn't and that's not a misside move. Instead, they'll

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Speaker 1: just sign them a long term Yeah, we're probably.

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Speaker 2: What I think they should do and what I think

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Speaker 2: they might need.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead to us.

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Speaker 3: Oh PASKI, oh past Yeah. I think it comes down

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Speaker 3: to how much Messaiah will offer him, and if it's

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Speaker 3: not a long term deal, he could be just looking

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Speaker 3: to go sign somewhere that's going to make him, you know,

545
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Speaker 3: more of a number one guy. But maybe not. I

546
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Speaker 3: think they could sign him long term. I'm really interested

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Speaker 3: to see what happens with the Knicks and og and

548
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Speaker 3: how he goes through a literally just like a four run,

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Speaker 3: four month rental that.

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Speaker 4: Could be it if he's a CIA client, he's not

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Speaker 4: a rental for them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you said he's going to get the bag from them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: wanted him forever too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would imagine I get I said a forty

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Speaker 3: spot as in, like some of those years are going

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Speaker 3: to be a forty mili I think. But is uh

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Speaker 3: I guess Timms is just going to play him a

558
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Speaker 3: ton Just go guard somebody, man, because he is so

559
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 3: damn good and he can guard anybody on the floor.

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Speaker 1: But it is to win a series or two, there's

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Speaker 1: no doubt. I mean, having og to stick on, be

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Speaker 1: it a Tatum or to stick on to Mitchell or

563
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: like whatever. Like he obviously he's like he made all defense.

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00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: He's he's a legit incredible defender who's a decent He

565
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: like doesn't kill you by putting them in a corner.

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Speaker 1: I mean you can hit a corner three whatever at

567
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Speaker 1: a decent clip. Yeah, he's gonna play. Tim's gonna love

568
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: this guy. Wait, he plays. It makes all the sense

569
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Speaker 1: in the world. He's gonna love a lot more than RJ. Barrett,

570
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: you know, contrasting styles of play. But yeah, okay, well

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Speaker 1: does the Piston streak end tonight because the Raptors are down.

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00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: Guys in Detroit, what do you think of the trade?

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Speaker 1: Who's the real winner? Do you like it for both squads?

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Speaker 1: Are either of these teams done? Are you trading Sam

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Speaker 1: to the Warriors for cominga and picks? Are you Tradingakam

576
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: to the thunder somehow for just a bunch of picks?

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Speaker 1: Is there another deal out there? Let us know in

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Speaker 1: the YouTube comments, let us know on Twitter at No

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Speaker 1: Dunk Sink.

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 1: Always a blast to see you, especially in a surprise

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Speaker 1: this podcast. I can't believe something happened. It's great something

583
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Speaker 1: happened with a team that's always in trade rumors.

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Speaker 2: I didn't run around. I expect to be saying.

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Speaker 4: We got all sales of Tree on December thirtieth. I

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Speaker 4: just sat down for a nice game a Harry Potter clue,

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Speaker 4: and now I can't figure out who did it with

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Speaker 4: the vanishing cabinet.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I know it is the vanishing cabinet. All right,

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Speaker 1: we'll get back to your game's right task. Is your

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Speaker 1: wife's birthday today? I don't know if we interrupted birthday

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Speaker 1: celebrations over in the Mellow's household.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, yeah, hey, it gives me the opportunity

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Speaker 3: to do something other than be with the family, So

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Speaker 3: why not. Why not celebrate here yet back to my

596
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Speaker 3: own games. But I will be watching. I will be

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00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 3: watching og Andnobi if he shoots enough. You gotta spend

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Speaker 3: every moment with your family. Og Ogi has to shoot

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Speaker 3: every time. I don't know if the kicks are gona

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Speaker 3: let him shoot. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: TVD we will see.

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Speaker 1: We'll be talking about it in the new year. We

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Speaker 1: are scheduled to be back in the Classic Factory on Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Clipper Roads. You heard it here first.

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Speaker 2: Have a great time, turn up. Love you guys. Awesome.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for joining us. So remember everybody enjoy their

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Happy New Year, everybody,