WEBVTT - Democracy Stoppers 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.520 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:18.520 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording once again from the 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:23.320 Brooklyn Bunker. Folks. This past weekend was a busy one. 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:26.840 I did two hits on MSNBC, one with my co 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:31.480 host for my weekly podcast, Democracy Ish, and then another 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:36.440 one with my friend Katie Fang on MSNBC. And I 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:40.159 will say this, um, The New York Times did a 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:47.640 three part series on Tucker Carlson and Tucker Carlson's racism, 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:51.400 and what I gotta say is, I'm not so fucking 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:56.200 sure Tucker Carlson needed a three part series in The 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:59.720 New York Times to tell us that he's racist. I'm 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:02.560 sure we could have done that in a sixty second clip. 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:05.000 I'm pretty sure that that could have been done in 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:10.720 a fucking tweet. That giving him that much prime real estate, 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:18.240 I think only goes to reinforce, particularly to his rabid bass, 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:21.080 that he's doing all the right things. I sat down 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:24.679 with Katie Fang over the weekend for a one on 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:29.000 one interview with her because I have spoken out many 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:32.560 times about Tucker Carlson. I believe that Tucker Carlson is 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:35.679 a threat to national security. I believe that his show, 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:40.240 As I said with my co host washahat Ali on 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:45.080 Yasmin Vesugian Show on yesterday. On Sunday, I said that 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:49.920 I believe that Tucker Carlson and Fox News like they 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:53.520 need to come with warning labels right where you're watching 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.560 their shows, and right before it comes on, it goes black, 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:58.800 much in the same way that happens on Netflix and 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:01.960 Hulu and what have you up in that corner while 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:07.720 the screen is black, it says, oh, this content contains nudity, violence, 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:13.600 explicit language, triggering abuse, blah blah blah blah blah blah. 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:18.000 Why don't we do that? I've been saying this for years. 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:23.280 Right when Tucker Carlson was sued many many moons ago, 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:28.000 the judge came back and said that, well, nobody in 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:34.880 their reasonable mind would consider Fox News News right that 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:39.040 it is for entertainment purposes. Well, if that is so, 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:43.720 then why doesn't right before Tucker Carlson show go on. 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:48.240 Why isn't it black that says for entertainment right just 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:50.480 as you go into bedback then beyond their life as 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:59.400 seen on TV for entertainment purposes only, this show contains misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, racism, 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:02.880 explicit language, all of these things and just list it all. 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.960 What got me though, and why I think that the 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:12.160 New York Times series was problematic is because I don't 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:17.560 need again a three part series delving into one man's racism. 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:20.079 What we do deserve a three part series on in 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:25.120 the New York Times, however, is America's racism, And how 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:29.600 Tucker Carlson could have the number one news show in 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:33.720 the country because he is a rabid racist, and why 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:38.000 we would love to believe that he is operating outside 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:43.080 on the fringe somewhere. What I said very explicitly over 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:46.000 the weekend was that this is no longer the fringe, 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:50.480 right like what we thought was crazy four and five 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:55.840 years ago has now been mainstreamed and mainlined into the 0:03:55.880 --> 0:04:00.640 Republican Party. We saw this with the confirmation hearings for 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:05.920 Judge Brown Jackson. We heard them try and kind of 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:12.240 walk her into this sad pit of pedophilia. Meanwhile, like 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:15.800 I had said before, Daily Coast has put out a 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:23.000 thirty plus part series on Republican abused, sexual abusers, predators 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:28.120 and apologists. Why isn't that worthy of a three part series? 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:31.960 In the New York Times to show how far devolved 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:36.480 the Republican Party has become. So you give this man 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:41.039 all of this fucking primetime real estate, right only for 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:44.000 him to take a picture of the cover of the 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:46.520 paper and be like, look, mom, I've made it, and 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.920 then just give him more fodder. And here's the thing. 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:54.240 I do not believe in ignoring these people, because they're 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.679 not going to go away, right, Like you can ignore COVID, 0:04:57.880 --> 0:04:59.800 but at the end of the day, you may and 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.960 fact catch it or it's going to continue spreading because 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:05.840 it's a fucking virus and it needs you to be 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.279 paying attention to it. Well, I can say the same 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:12.240 thing about white supremacy. It is a fucking cancer and 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:15.640 a virus on our society. You want to talk about 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:21.919 a pandemic, right, it is the pandemic of white nationalism 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:25.400 that nobody's been paying attention to. Even though ten years 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:29.039 ago a report came out to tell us about the 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:32.160 place that we would be in right now if we 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:37.120 were to decide that we weren't going to be paying attention. Right, Remember, 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:40.480 the FBI put this out and then all of a sudden, no, 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:42.960 there are no resources into that. Instead we're going to 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:47.679 direct our attention and our resources to black extremist groups. Well, 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:50.320 you tell me the last time you heard about a 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:56.920 black extremist group raiding the Capitol building, killing a police 0:05:57.000 --> 0:06:03.560 officer and you know, injuring many hundreds in the process. 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:06.159 You tell me the last time that you remember a 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:12.159 black extremist group walking into a church and killing a 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:15.360 group of praying parishioners. You tell me the last time 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:19.560 you heard of a black extremist group being directed by 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.200 the President of the United States to stand back and 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:28.640 stand by. So while white people love to project out 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.279 on to the rest of society that it is the 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:34.440 black and brown quote unquote menaces, because that's what was 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:37.000 said in the New York Times article as well, that 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:41.640 they've made conscious decisions about what they are going to showcase, 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.520 and it doesn't matter if it is factual or not. 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.159 It matters if it's going to sell to the rapid 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:51.479 red bass. And they know Tucker Carlson knows exactly what 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:55.080 sells right. It is hate and division. And what pissed 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:58.080 me off most about the article is that they want 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:01.200 to be like, oh, he's been like wood or seduced 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:05.680 by white nativism and white nationalism. I'm like, you know, 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.159 is it about ratings or is it really who he is? 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:11.400 It's who this motherfucker is. Why are we stay trying 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:15.640 to make excuses for these people as if to conjure 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.160 up a way to say to ourselves, No, they can't 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:22.840 possibly be this racist, No, they can't possibly be this misogynistic. No, 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:27.200 they can't possibly believe that trans children deserve bullets on 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:31.520 their backs, right, deserve targets on their backs, and deserve 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:35.760 a life that is let in a closet or face 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:41.480 being riddled with violence? Like, why can't we believe who 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.200 these people are when they show us time and time again. 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:48.960 I just don't get it. I'm like, here's the thing. 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.720 Tucker Carlson is not pretending to be a good person. 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:55.320 Tucker Carlson is not pretending to be neutral. He lives 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:58.040 in an alternate universe. And the most interesting thing about 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:01.040 that article was the fact that he has created a 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:05.080 fucking bubble for himself, right, a feedback loop bubble. And 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:08.240 this is what I always fear with myself because I 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:11.720 have tons of friends and colleagues and folks that are 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:14.520 in the sphere, and I'm like, I'm not trying to 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:17.480 preach to them. I'm not trying to convince them. And 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:21.040 so what do other people think? Right? But Tucker Carlson 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:24.120 can't take what it is that other people think, which 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:28.000 is why he has created this like a this vacuum 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.440 around him. But much in the same way that Donald 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:35.280 Trump couldn't take any criticism. Right, these big strong men, 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.000 But the moment that you say some hot shit about 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:40.760 them that is fucking true, or put their own words 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:43.360 in front of them allah a Marjorie Taylor Green on 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.160 the stand, then they want to cry fout. Oh the 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:49.080 media is run by liberals. Well, I don't know about you, 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:53.360 but there have been a number a fucking advertisers that 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.600 pulled from Tucker Carlson's show. But it's still not only 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.800 the number one show, but it is the highest grossing 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:05.520 for Fox News. So you tell me, is he the aggrieved? Right? 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:07.840 Is he the person that needs to be coddled and 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:11.120 handled in the way that he professes? Oh? My god. 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:15.080 Replacement theory and the fact that these illegals and these 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:17.880 browns are coming in to the country and they are 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:21.520 replacing me and the hierarchy, the order of things is 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:25.360 being thrown off. Well, Let's talk about that hierarchy. Let's 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.800 talk about the ways in which white men, white Cish 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:32.480 hetero men have created a society where only them and 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:36.160 them alone can succeed and even when there are the 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:39.000 black and the Browns and the women and those that 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:45.320 intersect with multiple marginalized communities happen to rise above. Then 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.400 you want to what try and call us a pedophile 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:50.320 like you did to Judge Jackson Brown, whose record is 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.719 impeccable in comparison to the Beer Guslin rapist that you 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:55.920 all put on the fucking bench. Miss me with the 0:09:55.960 --> 0:10:01.360 bullshit right, you know, would have rather see a three 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:09.160 part series on Mallory mcmarrow and how her authenticity, her 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:13.199 passion needs to be replicated that we saw out on 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:18.199 the floor of the Michigan Senate as opposed to the 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:25.480 bullshit dance that we are seeing senators in our party take. Oh, 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:28.360 if I hear one more time that fucking Joe Mansion 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:32.240 is really concerned or like we need to delve into 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:35.280 this with regard to voting rights, I'm like, Joe Mansion, 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:37.920 shut the fuck up unless you were about to vote 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.280 yes on a voting rights bill and changing of the 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:43.679 filibuster before fucking time runs out in November. Shut the 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.560 fuck up. Ain't nobody trying to hear you, pay attention 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:51.160 to you? And frankly, if fucking Schumer were smart, he 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:56.600 would put Joe Mansion into a fucking applause vacuum. He 0:10:56.679 --> 0:11:00.080 is such an attention whore. Take his name out of 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:03.400 the headlines, take away the gaggle of reporters that follow 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.679 him around so that he feels important, and instead, if 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.280 he's going to grab a headline, let it be Joe 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:14.679 Mansion alone. Wants to stop democracy, Right, let's tell the 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:20.680 fucking truth. But we don't. Right, We perpetuate the same 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:25.280 level of lies and bullshit because of ratings, right, because 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:29.600 of clicks. This weekend, I got to tell you that 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:35.920 between that story, listening to Marjorie Taylor Green's clips talk 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:39.560 about how Satan has taken over the church, I'm just 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:43.320 beside myself, folks, and it's Monday, but I am beside 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.760 myself with the fuckery that we are seeing out of 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:52.520 this country. So the question continues to be asked, our 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:56.000 Democrats going to show up? Because Nancy Pelosi was up 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:59.240 in Kiev in Ukraine talking about you don't back down 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:02.880 to a bully, and I'm like, so does it not 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:06.840 apply here in the United States? When Democrats are fucking 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:10.800 coutelling to Republicans left and right. Does that same hot 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:14.120 energy that you have for Putin? Does that translate? Is 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:16.959 the question that I'm asking, because it doesn't fucking seem 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:22.400 to I'm tired of Democrats tough talks, finger wagging, and 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:26.520 trying to shame people that are shameless. Tucker Carlson, what 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:28.720 he got from New York Times is a bunch of 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:33.079 free advertising, right when instead the New York Times should 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:37.800 be doing multiple part series on how systemic racism is 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:40.760 the reason why we have the racial wealth gap, doing 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:46.520 breaking pieces on how we should be fearful about the 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:48.840 loss of our democracy and why folks need to wake 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:52.959 the fuck up. Not you doing a fucking profile piece 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:59.760 on Tucker Carlson, folks. Coming up next is my weekly 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:05.520 conversation with our friend Glenn Kershner, MSNBC legal analyst and 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:09.680 the host of Justice Matters, talking to us about what 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:12.520 whether or not the Department of Justice is going to 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.400 act like it is an agency with authority and power 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:18.760 to do something about the criminal Twice impeached ex President 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:23.440 and this allow his ability to run for office again 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:27.160 in twenty twenty four. That conversation is coming up and 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:34.960 much more. Friends, You know that I'm always so happy 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:38.520 when our friend MSNBC legal analyst and the host of 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:43.160 Justice Matters, Glenn Kershner, joins us to break down the 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:47.600 latest in unlawful news. Right, we can't talk about justice, Glenn, 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:50.400 because we're still waiting on that, but we have a 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:55.679 bevy a bevy of unlawful stories came out this past week, 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:59.880 so I want to start first with Marjorie Taylor Green. 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:05.080 Marjorie Taylor Green, We've watched her in Georgia lie on 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:10.800 the stand when asked about her connection to the insurrection, 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:15.079 her calling for violence the day of the insurrection at 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:19.040 the Stop to Steel rally. We've seen now the trove 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:23.760 of text messages over two thousand that CNN was able 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:29.400 to get from the Mark Meadows Treasonous Treasure trove, where 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:33.080 she's talking about martial law. But then goes on Fox 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:36.120 News and says, I don't know what everybody's talking about. 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.720 I never said anything. I never called for a violence, Glenn. 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.480 Do they think that we're stupid or do they think 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.640 that if they act stupid. Then then this will all 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:50.040 blow over. You know. My assumption is that because they 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:56.240 have seen zero accountability, visit any of the political criminals 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.840 that you know, we've seen committing crime with our own 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:04.800 Because there's no accountability, why would they bother telling the 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:09.240 truth about anything, particularly anything that could incriminate them or 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:12.160 make them look bad. So even though she there are 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:16.400 texts where Marjorie Taylor Green says, look, I'm talking to 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:21.920 members about martial law, tell Trump he needs to consider it, 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:25.960 and an under oath in front of a judge. I 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:29.160 don't remember, I don't ever remember talking about that. Well, 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.320 first of all, I don't remember. Is not a perjury 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:38.400 proof answer, especially on something so consequential as a member 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:42.040 of Congress saying tell the President of the United States 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:47.440 that members of Congress think he should impose martial law. 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:52.200 It's absurd to have her say I don't remember and 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:54.920 think she can get away with it. But if there's 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:58.720 no accountability, Danielle, she can get away with it, and 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:02.800 that's why she does it. Let's let's I want to 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:08.000 provide uh the woke af audience with the severity of 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:13.760 martial law. Right, what can you recall a time in 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:17.960 modern times where martial law. We're a president of these 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:22.360 United States has instituted martial law, which which and again 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:26.200 just describe for us what that what that would look like. 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:30.720 I mean, it's essentially the president, um, you know, seizing 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:35.520 military control and being able to deny anyone and every 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:39.560 one of the rights that we all typically think we enjoy. Um, 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:44.040 it hasn't been done in modern history. And um, you know, 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:49.240 for for members of Congress to be urging a president 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:52.360 to do it, m is kind of the flip side 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:55.560 of the coin of what we heard from some of 0:16:55.560 --> 0:17:00.800 the McCarthy tapes where he and Liz Cheney are casually 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:03.640 talking about, well, remember how we were talking about the 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:08.800 twenty fifth Amendment, how we should consider removing Donald Trump 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:12.800 from office for unfitness. Oh yeah, Liz, I remember we 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:15.680 were talking about that, and you know what, I think 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:19.960 maybe he should just resign the presidency. And McCarthy is 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:25.040 saying that he's going to recommend that Donald Trump resigned 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:27.959 the presidency. This is flips the flip side of the 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:31.360 same coin. You got some members of Congress saying keep 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:34.920 the criminal president in office and have him declare martial 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:39.479 law to basically kill our democracy. You've got other members 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:42.280 of Congress saying he's unfit to serve under the twenty 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.320 fifth Amendment, he needs to resign, and then to cap 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:48.159 it all off, This is actually my favorite part of 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:52.080 the McCarthy tapes. McCarthy said, I'm gonna go in and 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:55.000 tell him to resign, but I just don't want him 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:59.800 to bring up the Pence pardon thing. Boy, that was 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:05.280 a really important revelation because McCarthy didn't just pull that 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:09.400 out of the air. It tells me that if McCarthy 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.040 is so concerned that Trump is again going to bring 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:16.560 up the Pence pardon thing, that tells me that Donald 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:21.359 Trump knows he committed crime, knows that if he resigns, 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:24.480 he's going to have to be pardoned by incoming president 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:27.480 Mike Pence. And McCarthy doesn't want to have to deal 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:32.400 with the Pence pardoned thing again. For Christ's sake, excuse 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:38.399 my language, how can we not have McCarthy testify about 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:43.120 those things, because not we all know Donald Trump's a criminal, right, 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:47.440 But that's evidence potentially of the corrupt intent that people 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:50.680 keep whining about. It so hard to prove, which it's not. 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:56.480 But McCarthy apparently has relevant evidence to that too. Get 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:58.840 him under oath. I don't care if it's before the 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:02.680 J six Committee or preferably in a federal grand jury 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:07.520 investigating Donald Trump's crimes, and let's document this and let's 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:12.760 move forward to protect our dang democracy. I mean, Glenn, 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:21.840 the Pence pardon thing. So you would have to be 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:28.920 devising some type of criminal operation for you to then 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:36.240 think about all the ways that you can skirt justice, right, 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:39.639 So you would be thinking to yourself, Okay, if I 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:43.440 do a B is going to happen, So I need 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:47.800 to cover my ass. This is what is driving me 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:51.160 crazy because Donald Trump wanted to say, no, no, no, 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:56.320 I honestly believed I lost, that the election was stolen. Well, 0:19:56.359 --> 0:20:00.680 if you honestly believed that the election was stole, why 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:06.479 would you be speaking with your inner circle about potential pardon. 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:11.480 Where would where would that fear, where would that anxiety? 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:17.360 Where would that calculation come from? Yeah? Wouldn't you think 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:19.959 McCarthy would have said, Uh, I don't want to go 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:23.040 talk to Trump about resigning because I know he's gonna 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:26.000 say I didn't do anything wrong, I didn't commit crimes. No, 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:30.280 that's not what McCarthy said. McCarthy said, I want to 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:32.720 go tell him to resign for everything he did, but 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:35.080 I don't want to hear him talking about the Pence 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:39.560 Parden thing, which goes right to your point. And that's 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:46.560 why we need McCarthy's testimony. And I hope Congress, you know, 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:51.000 finally pulls that tool out of its toolbox and says, oh, 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:54.879 you want to disobey our subpoena, we got a little 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:59.000 something for you. We're going to compel your testimony. You 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:01.640 know why they won't do that, Danielle, Why they would 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:09.480 rather continue to let the contemptuous witnesses win the subpoena 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:15.720 battle rather than using a lawful power that Congress has 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:21.399 to compel testimony. I will never ever understand that, because 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:25.520 if they keep tying that one hand behind their back 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:28.720 and we lose our democracy, how are they going to 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:33.040 feel about the fact that they did not deploy their 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:40.040 lawful constitutional power of inherent contempt. It's like, you know, Glenn, 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:47.520 the mountain of evidence against this corrupt Republican Party because 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:50.479 it isn't just Donald Trump. Because now I'm not just 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:57.040 looking to take Donald Trump down. These tapes right show 0:21:57.520 --> 0:22:00.720 criminal to me, right now I'm saying it a layperson 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:06.680 criminal intent when you are looking at the calculations on 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:14.200 how you can skirt accountability for your criminal behavior. I mean, 0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:18.240 what else, Glenn, is the Department of Justice waiting for? 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:21.280 And I don't even want you to answer that yet, 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:25.159 because here's the question that I have. Last weekend, I 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:29.720 was on MSNBC and the question was asked by Amon 0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:36.040 Mohadeen about media integrity, journalistic integrity, the fact that the 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:42.000 McCarthy tapes, Right, we're somehow, we're somehow right. The New 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:45.480 York Times reporters get ahold of this, but they're like, 0:22:45.720 --> 0:22:48.760 we're writing a book, so we're gonna hold this the 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:51.960 same way that Bob Woodward held the fact that Donald 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:55.800 Trump knew in twenty nineteen how dangerous the coronavirus was, 0:22:56.280 --> 0:22:58.840 knew that it was airborne, knew that it was deadly, 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:02.840 but he held that information to sell a book. Right, 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:08.439 What I mean, are these people liable for anything? And 0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:10.919 then the question that I have like that, And then 0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:13.920 number two, Joyce Vance was on the show and she 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:19.359 was talking about the fact that whoever recorded Kevin McCarthy 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:23.400 should be questioned, right, that it isn't just it isn't. 0:23:23.520 --> 0:23:29.080 It's this chain of just I don't know what we 0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:34.199 call it, right, these people that have this information, it 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:36.760 is critical to the American people to have it, It 0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:39.760 is critical for the Department of Justice to have it, 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:45.800 but they hold it. Is there any liability anywhere, so, 0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:50.720 you know, civil liability versus criminal liability. You know, the reporters, 0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:55.000 unfortunately will have a good I shouldn't say unfortunately, They 0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:57.879 will have a good bit of protection under the First 0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:02.480 Amendment about you know, what they reveal, when they reveal it, 0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:06.040 how they reveal it, And so I don't know that 0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:09.159 there would be liability for them sitting on things that 0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:14.400 you would think, you know, their own patriotic instincts would 0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:18.440 would kind of compel them to release to the public 0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:22.320 to help save lives. But I don't think they're required to, 0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:25.560 you know, so that it's different for government officials who 0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:28.919 are sitting on information, like the people who recorded the 0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:33.520 phone calls, for example, they might have some sort of exposure. 0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:38.600 But here is the way to make a dent in 0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:43.040 that there's a law on the books federally accessory after 0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:48.840 the fact. Whoever knows that somebody's committed a crime against 0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:52.440 the United States. In other words, a federal crime if 0:24:52.440 --> 0:24:57.720 that person does anything to assist the offender in avoiding 0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:04.480 apprehension or punish or charges criminal trial, they've committed the 0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:09.040 crime of accessory after the fact. So any politician who 0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:13.840 buries crimes that they know Donald Trump committed, they are 0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:18.760 assisting him in avoiding punishment for his crimes. They're also 0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:21.240 violating their oath of office. But that's not necessarily a 0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:24.399 criminal charge. And Danielle, all it takes is for the 0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:29.920 Department of Justice to bring one damn accessory after the 0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:33.879 fact charge against the Jim Jordan or a Scott Berry 0:25:34.000 --> 0:25:37.320 or a Kevin McCarthy or any of these other anys 0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:41.960 who have covered up Donald Trump's crimes. And then that's 0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:45.000 going to have the effect of one causing a whole 0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:47.959 bunch of people to start to spit stuff out because 0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:51.200 they don't want to be charged as accessories after the fact, 0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:56.040 And it's going to deter future criminal conduct by people 0:25:56.040 --> 0:26:02.000 who are thinking about burying the crimes of politicians. This 0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:07.119 is not rocket science, it's not even advanced criminal law. 0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:12.560 It's it's just it's common sense. It's good basic law 0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:18.600 enforcement and good basic prosecutorial practice. And I can't, for 0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:21.879 the life of me understand why none of it is 0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:27.000 being done. I mean, like I you know, I don't 0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:29.000 know because at this at this point, let me tell 0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:31.480 you something, my mind goes to the fact that not 0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:39.000 bringing these indictments is now showing your complicit right Like 0:26:39.119 --> 0:26:43.399 to me, at some point I have to ask about 0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:47.000 the Department of Justice's integrity and whether or not they 0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:52.159 are complicit in these crimes, because why else would you 0:26:52.280 --> 0:26:56.720 not be bringing these charges. Danielle. Think about this. If 0:26:57.119 --> 0:27:01.840 a local sheriff knew that his brother had committed crimes, 0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:05.760 and the local sheriff was like, I'm not the rest 0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:09.520 of my brother. I'm not bringing charges against my brother. 0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:12.960 That would be a criminal cover up. It would be 0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:17.680 obstructing justice. It would be a dereliction of duty. Now 0:27:18.280 --> 0:27:22.399 let's change the scenario a little bit. Let's assume a 0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:29.160 former high DOJ official join Donald Trump's conspiracy to overturn 0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:35.160 the election authored letters to the battleground states falsely claiming 0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:39.840 the Department of Justice has evidence of election fraud and 0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:45.000 we want you to appoint alternate electors. Drafts those letters, 0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:49.399 doesn't send them, Others talk him out of sending those letters, 0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:53.400 and then when questioned about it, that high government official 0:27:53.520 --> 0:27:57.480 with the Department of Justice invokes his Fifth Amendment right 0:27:57.520 --> 0:28:00.800 against self incrimination. In other words, if I hasified about 0:28:00.840 --> 0:28:04.200 what I did and what the President did, I would 0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:10.320 incriminate myself. And the Department of Justice has not charged 0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:14.320