Speaker 1: Up next, Out Loud with Gianno called Well part of
Speaker 1: the beginning with school. Growing up in poverty on the
Speaker 1: South Side of Chicago, I didn't have much reason to hope.
Speaker 1: My mother was addicted to drugs, and my neighborhood was
Speaker 1: filled with islands. But my guests today, one of the
Speaker 1: wisest and most accomplishment I've ever met, helped lead me
Speaker 1: to a better life. Yes, when I say a better life,
Speaker 1: I'm referring to all the fantastic things I've been blessed
Speaker 1: to do now, including this podcast. He guided me and
Speaker 1: he inspired me through the power of truth. This is
Speaker 1: out Loud with Gianno called Welcome back to out Loud
Speaker 1: with Gianno Calledwell Today, I have a very special show
Speaker 1: plan for you, my listeners. My guess is Dr Bill Winston,
Speaker 1: who was actually my pastor from back home in Chicago.
Speaker 1: Dr Winston is the founder and senior pastor of Living
Speaker 1: Where Christian Center, a nondenominational Christian church with more than
Speaker 1: twenty thousand members located in Forest Park, Illinois, which is
Speaker 1: a suburb right outside of Chicago. He's also the senior
Speaker 1: pastor of Living Word Christian Center Tuskegee, which is in Tuskegee, Alabama.
Speaker 1: He's the founder of Bill Winston Ministries, a partnership based
Speaker 1: global outreach ministry that reaches over eight hundred million households
Speaker 1: worldwide through TV and radio programs. Dr Winston also has
Speaker 1: eight hundred and eighty two national and international churches and
Speaker 1: ministries under his spiritual Covering through Faith Ministry Alliance. If
Speaker 1: all of that's not enough, Dr Winston is also an author,
Speaker 1: an entrepreneur, and educator and a veteran with so many
Speaker 1: wonderful programs and initiatives to spread the Word of God
Speaker 1: and help people succeed in life. And all I can
Speaker 1: say from personal experience is Dr Winston is truly a
Speaker 1: wonderful and amazing man who has had a profound influence
Speaker 1: on my life. Let's go well, I'm super super excited
Speaker 1: about having you on, Dr Bill Winston. I've been a
Speaker 1: part of your ministry since two thousand and five. I
Speaker 1: remember coming into the church and what that experience was like,
Speaker 1: and more importantly, I remember when I first saw you
Speaker 1: on television and had dynamic you were. And I must
Speaker 1: say that you've made an incredible impression upon my life.
Speaker 1: You've influenced a lot of my decisions, and you've been
Speaker 1: a mentor to me since two thousand and five without
Speaker 1: me even knowing you personally, But of course I know
Speaker 1: you personally now. So I want to thank you for
Speaker 1: joining us today, and I think it's going to be
Speaker 1: a blessing for all to hear you. It is my privilege.
Speaker 1: Jan I thank you. I thank you so much. So
Speaker 1: for those listening who may not know much about you,
Speaker 1: let's start with your early life and your personal journey.
Speaker 1: You were born in Tuskegee, Alabama. What you like growing
Speaker 1: up in Alabama during the age of this is most
Speaker 1: of our parents were Tuskey German and so the legacy
Speaker 1: of that was very present in the Tuskegee area. And
Speaker 1: so Tuskege itself small town, but but at a big
Speaker 1: legacy had Tuskey German and also had the sixth the
Speaker 1: largest VIA hospital in the in the country. And so
Speaker 1: because of that segregation in that time, you have most
Speaker 1: of the physicians who African American came to do their
Speaker 1: internship and so forth at the VA Hospital in Tuskegee.
Speaker 1: And also you had the university, which look at the
Speaker 1: Washington founded in one and that had the professors and
Speaker 1: so forth and so on. So you had these three
Speaker 1: professions there. So when I look at my life growing up,
Speaker 1: I went to the school that's elementary school, which is
Speaker 1: a lab school of the university, and we had to
Speaker 1: visit Carbon Museum once a year. We had French in
Speaker 1: the third grade, we had all of us had by
Speaker 1: the fourth grade, we had carpentry, and we had all this.
Speaker 1: We had to have made a lamp and so forth,
Speaker 1: and so they were grooming us really for leadership. Just
Speaker 1: about everybody, myself and Lionel Richie and whoever else grew
Speaker 1: up with us. The person everybody grew up we're going
Speaker 1: to save. So all of us we had something in us.
Speaker 1: And that's a lot of times how people see themselves
Speaker 1: as the way other people see them. And so we
Speaker 1: all were taught really that we weren't missing anything. So
Speaker 1: I wasn't eager to integrate because we had everything and
Speaker 1: we were taught things that that Normally most of the
Speaker 1: people who finished elementary school with me went away to
Speaker 1: boarding schools in the north and so forth. I had
Speaker 1: to say, uh, they're at Tuskegee High School because the
Speaker 1: dad said he didn't have that kind of money, and
Speaker 1: so I stayed there and so but growing up there
Speaker 1: was really experienced. But what it did, it worked on
Speaker 1: my esteem, which is I think you know eighty of
Speaker 1: what somebody can do and perform and how they can
Speaker 1: see themselves. So that was the foundation of it. I've
Speaker 1: finished undergraded Tuskegee and ended up going ROTC and flying
Speaker 1: fighters and that was a background of that. Wow. And
Speaker 1: you talk a lot about your military service, and we
Speaker 1: we certainly honor and thank you for your service to
Speaker 1: this great country. I'm really intrigued to know, especially knowing
Speaker 1: the kind of man that you are, how is that
Speaker 1: experience being in the military at such an interesting time
Speaker 1: and fighting and flying fighter as a fireplan. There's a
Speaker 1: couple of things about that. One is that it what
Speaker 1: it did, it pulls on a potential in me that
Speaker 1: I never knew I had. And the word potential means
Speaker 1: hidden abilities. And what happens is people don't want to
Speaker 1: make a step because they don't think they will succeed
Speaker 1: or whatever have you, but not knowing of what has
Speaker 1: been placed in them. Every one of us has a gift.
Speaker 1: I don't care who you are, what country you are,
Speaker 1: You've got a gift and a gift will make room
Speaker 1: for you. The Bible didn't say your education, would it
Speaker 1: say your gift? Would it will make room for you
Speaker 1: and bring before great men? Not down on education. But
Speaker 1: what I did is is I had to fly and compete.
Speaker 1: And that's where you go to pilot training. Where I
Speaker 1: went in uh San Antonio, Texas at Randolph Air Force Space.
Speaker 1: But when I got there, had thirty and other students
Speaker 1: in the classes coming from universities, and we had to
Speaker 1: learn progressively that we could do things that we never
Speaker 1: thought we could do. And he started that a little
Speaker 1: light airplane that had to propel it, and you progress
Speaker 1: right on up into the supersonic jets, and then you've
Speaker 1: got your assignment. And I ended up going to war
Speaker 1: and so forth, and Fawn and a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't know it, but I wrote the op ed on
Speaker 1: this that you can go and be in the military
Speaker 1: inside of war without hating. They think you have to
Speaker 1: hate to be on the other side, but you don't.
Speaker 1: And um that it was a military experience that I had,
Speaker 1: and I have been trained there in leadership and leading
Speaker 1: a flight and so forth. Now that means you've got
Speaker 1: to be making decisions on the split second, and you
Speaker 1: just have to develop some leadership qualities that that I
Speaker 1: didn't even know I had in me. So I wrote
Speaker 1: that book on Spirit of Leadership. The name is Spirit
Speaker 1: of Leadership, that everybody's a leader first of all, and
Speaker 1: that all leadership is spiritual. So as I developed that,
Speaker 1: it really taught me how to lead. So when I
Speaker 1: came out of the military and went to work for IDM,
Speaker 1: that I was in training for a year in each
Speaker 1: one of those classes at four schools I had to
Speaker 1: go to, and three of those schools they didn't even
Speaker 1: know me, but they wanted me to be the president
Speaker 1: of the class. And so for now, I didn't choose this.
Speaker 1: I didn't. They come from all kinds of schools, either, league,
Speaker 1: universities and so forth. But I think leadership qualities can
Speaker 1: be detected. I think people can sent them and so forth.
Speaker 1: It's interesting how the Bible says the blind leaders of
Speaker 1: the blind, meaning that they have no vision. And I
Speaker 1: think one of the real qualities of it is vision.
Speaker 1: Look at the Washington head vision, George Washington Carver head vision,
Speaker 1: and because of it they could leave will and expand
Speaker 1: and so forth. And one so Tuskegee the growing up there,
Speaker 1: the legacy of that, I think part of that book
Speaker 1: at the Washington legacy of educating people and so forth
Speaker 1: and teaching. I think that's still on me right now.
Speaker 1: You know, you've mentioned something which I think, uh shows
Speaker 1: great parallels to where we are today, when you talked
Speaker 1: about you being in the military and you you're fighting
Speaker 1: against the enemy, but yet still not hating someone. And
Speaker 1: now we're in an environment of our politics where it's
Speaker 1: you're a Democrat, you're a Republican, you're an independent, progressive,
Speaker 1: you're a libertarian, and everybody's fighting against each other, ether
Speaker 1: everybody hating each other. You look at social media and
Speaker 1: you see nothing but hateful comments coming on all sides.
Speaker 1: Can you go into why you think that is well?
Speaker 1: I think that's part of the results of Adam and
Speaker 1: Eves fall in the Garden. I think that they got
Speaker 1: into selfishness, and I think many times hate is rooted
Speaker 1: in fear and selfishness, and love is just the opposite.
Speaker 1: It's a product of faith. And so I remember when
Speaker 1: I was in IBM, and I was now turning the
Speaker 1: corner and kind of doing well in my sales and computers,
Speaker 1: and my boss called me in boss's boss, who happened
Speaker 1: to be African American. He was he was trained by
Speaker 1: in the chairman's office, and at that time he had
Speaker 1: two branch managers in the United States and and one
Speaker 1: without on the West Coast, and one was in Chicago,
Speaker 1: which was my boss's boss. And he called me and
Speaker 1: they Billy, why don't you come on in. Let's see
Speaker 1: what you do, how you're doing on your accounts. So
Speaker 1: I came to start talking to him, and then I
Speaker 1: was talking to him about my accounts, and and I said, now,
Speaker 1: this account, this CEO here, I think he's kind of
Speaker 1: an idiot. And he so forth, he said, wait, wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, don't say that, I said, sir. He said,
Speaker 1: don't ever do that. That's what he said, call him
Speaker 1: a name like that. I said, well, you know, we're
Speaker 1: behind closed doors. And so he said, no, no, if
Speaker 1: you call him that long enough, you'll believe it. And
Speaker 1: if you believe it, you'll treat him like that. And
Speaker 1: IBM does not treat its customers like that. I never
Speaker 1: forgot that. You see, you can be on the opposite
Speaker 1: side and not hate, because hate takes you to a
Speaker 1: whole another level. And their fruit to hate. There's a
Speaker 1: fruit to actually doing that to your neighbor. And the
Speaker 1: op ed I just read and sent over to you,
Speaker 1: it's on this thing called the man who went from
Speaker 1: his this good Samaritan, he went from his place, and
Speaker 1: next thing, you know, he fell into some need, and
Speaker 1: and three religious to religious people passed by him. And
Speaker 1: and then one man who was a Samaritan who was rejected,
Speaker 1: he came by and and he bandaged up his wounds,
Speaker 1: so forth and so on, and Jesus said, well, who
Speaker 1: was neighbored to this man? And and so I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that he was teaching me a lesson about how
Speaker 1: to treat people, because part of what drives hate is
Speaker 1: people feeling that they have been put down there for
Speaker 1: some reason, disdained some of the words. Kim has a
Speaker 1: word for it, but yeah, yeah, and and they get
Speaker 1: like that, and you who is it? Will Roger says
Speaker 1: he never looks out on a person or something like that,
Speaker 1: or book at the Washington says he never looks down
Speaker 1: on the man without picking him up, and that whole thing.
Speaker 1: But I learned that, and I learned to treat my
Speaker 1: marketing reps like that. When I got into management and
Speaker 1: and learn to treat people like that. The next thing,
Speaker 1: you know him in the in the ministry, and you've
Speaker 1: got to look at people as in according to what
Speaker 1: God says they can be, and not so much of
Speaker 1: how they're performing right now, because many times they don't
Speaker 1: come up to your you know, professional standard. But you've
Speaker 1: got to teach them. And so that's that's my piece
Speaker 1: that I learned. That was a heavy piece. Now I
Speaker 1: understand all of this is scriptural because it says faith
Speaker 1: work it by love. I didn't I don't think my
Speaker 1: boss's boss went invested too much in the scriptures. But
Speaker 1: but the company taught those principles because it knew that
Speaker 1: every seat son there's a harvest to it, and that
Speaker 1: if you say that long enough, then the harvest of
Speaker 1: that will come forth in your actions towards that customer client.
Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, IBM will get the business, so
Speaker 1: lose the business and so forth like that. So it's
Speaker 1: that that's that's what I learned from that. But hatred,
Speaker 1: this thing is going around today and it's almost like
Speaker 1: almost like a plague, and what happened, Yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: ons agree with you. We're going to continue that point
Speaker 1: in the moment refers. Here's a quick word from our sponsor.
Speaker 1: It's almost hard to look at the news. It's hard
Speaker 1: to look at social that there's so much division, and
Speaker 1: it's like people are living in different realities. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is right. Well no, I think this is right,
Speaker 1: and it's hard to come together in unite. That's because
Speaker 1: they're not living but faith. See when you when you
Speaker 1: get over into faith, which is what I teach, then
Speaker 1: it's amazing how you can see the unseen. You you
Speaker 1: can you can operate in a way that that that
Speaker 1: would cause you to see things as they should be
Speaker 1: and not so much as they are. Let let me,
Speaker 1: let me be un example, the Bible even talks about
Speaker 1: if a person that we're talking faith now, it talks
Speaker 1: about in Hebrews chapter twelve. It talks about that if
Speaker 1: I go around somebody and and they're bitter about something,
Speaker 1: that they can talk about it to me long enough
Speaker 1: that I'll eat the fruit of their bitterness. If if
Speaker 1: I'm not protected now, if I'm not aware of what's
Speaker 1: going on, that I could eat the fruit of their
Speaker 1: bitterness and many be defiled. Let me give you a
Speaker 1: case in point. This is faith talk. Now, this is
Speaker 1: in the marketplace, this is at IBM. So I'm coming
Speaker 1: up for promotion. Shows what happens. Some guys from headquarters
Speaker 1: come down from some of the top exacts. They come
Speaker 1: down because they want to see me. And so there's
Speaker 1: the presentation at the branch office. I've got a portion
Speaker 1: of that presentation. So I'm gonna give a presentation. Okay,
Speaker 1: my part. Well, that night before the presentation, I stopped
Speaker 1: our friend's house. Well he's been mistreated, and he's been
Speaker 1: mistreated as a member of the another race. So he said,
Speaker 1: you know those people that blah blah blah blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: mistreated their prejudice there, this and that. So I I
Speaker 1: sit there and just get a just get a dose
Speaker 1: of it, you know. So I go home and sleep
Speaker 1: on it. Now it's growing inside of me. Say, and
Speaker 1: that's why the scriptures tell us take heat what you hear.
Speaker 1: I don't hear too much of that news because because
Speaker 1: when it starts coming off wrong, I'm not I don't.
Speaker 1: I just can't eat it. So what happens is I
Speaker 1: got up the next morning going to the presentation. So
Speaker 1: when the boy cities gave the One of the managers
Speaker 1: gave the presentation, another one gave his. Now it's my turn.
Speaker 1: I'll come up to give my part the presentation. The
Speaker 1: branch managers looking over all of us, and I didn't
Speaker 1: know it, but it was a setup. They were coming
Speaker 1: down to our branch office to see me because I
Speaker 1: think they were going to take me back up the
Speaker 1: headquarters from next promotion. Well, I started fishing, well, I'm
Speaker 1: this bitterness is starting to come out. And one of
Speaker 1: the exact acts it said, let me ask you, Bill
Speaker 1: on on this right here. So I said, well, look
Speaker 1: at it. You can see it right now. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's plainist day I put it right. I've said this before,
Speaker 1: you know, just nasty. Well they left. Once they left,
Speaker 1: my boss came in my office. He I won't use
Speaker 1: the language, he used, What did you do? I should? Well,
Speaker 1: I was going through the pres said Bill, when that
Speaker 1: attitude come point? What what if? What's happening to you?
Speaker 1: I said, well, you know this friend of mine told
Speaker 1: me about my friend of mine didn't rumping the friend
Speaker 1: plan at the seed and it began to take you
Speaker 1: and you began to particular way just by based on
Speaker 1: who you are around there, so you can stop a
Speaker 1: whole race that way. You know what's interesting on that
Speaker 1: point in terms of you can stop a whole race.
Speaker 1: And and I want to I want to kind of
Speaker 1: tell you something that you may not even realize. So
Speaker 1: I grew up in the church, went to a bunch
Speaker 1: of different churches. My grandmother was or still as a minister,
Speaker 1: a pastor, and we went to a lot of churches
Speaker 1: that weren't really teaching the word in that way. It
Speaker 1: was kind of emotional, it was it wasn't rooted in truth.
Speaker 1: So I thought growing up being black was a disadvantage.
Speaker 1: I thought that I wouldn't be able to do certain
Speaker 1: things because I was black. And then I went to
Speaker 1: your church, and I begin to hear things that you
Speaker 1: would say, and you would say, it's not up to
Speaker 1: the government here. You don't depend on government to take
Speaker 1: care of you, know, you would tell you would say
Speaker 1: things like it doesn't matter what color you are, you
Speaker 1: can be successful. You begin to put thoughts into my
Speaker 1: head that I had never heard before, never heard before,
Speaker 1: And a lot of times in the communities that I
Speaker 1: grew up in, that was what they taught. They taught
Speaker 1: that you weren't going to be successful because you were black,
Speaker 1: you or you would be marginally successful. You would maybe
Speaker 1: you get become the manager of the company versus being
Speaker 1: the owner of the company. Took a different word with
Speaker 1: regards to that. And honestly, and I'm gonna say this,
Speaker 1: I know you're not political, and you don't get political
Speaker 1: and all that. Part of the reason I'm conservative is
Speaker 1: because of the messages in which you taught on a
Speaker 1: regular and consistent basis, were about self empowerment and allowing
Speaker 1: faith in God to take you to that next level.
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest, I wouldn't be here right now
Speaker 1: talking to you if it wasn't for those messages. How
Speaker 1: did that come about in your life? Because I'm hearing
Speaker 1: echo Kildhood. And we were just brought up for We
Speaker 1: never saw ourselves as the underdogs. Never ever. I never
Speaker 1: thought that I didn't have any reason to integrate for
Speaker 1: what you know, I mean we had it. We we
Speaker 1: were I mean you know, I mean they were all
Speaker 1: a big community. And Dr Kenny, who was a general practitioner,
Speaker 1: he taught me tennis and and and I had over here.
Speaker 1: My brother went on the campus, he graduated, finished high school.
Speaker 1: In three years he went up on the campus after
Speaker 1: every day Monday to Friday to draw um and be
Speaker 1: trained by Mr Love and architecture, and he went on
Speaker 1: to Howard uh in architectal Engineering and finishing masters. And
Speaker 1: so I mean we we didn't, we didn't need it.
Speaker 1: The thing when I put that in me, I've found
Speaker 1: out that no one can stop me from eaching my
Speaker 1: destiny but me. That's what I found out. No one
Speaker 1: can stop me from reaching my destiny but me. And
Speaker 1: when you look back at it, people said, well, you
Speaker 1: know God is running the world, and so what, No,
Speaker 1: he's not. He's not running the world. God is running
Speaker 1: the church. The church should be running the world. And
Speaker 1: when you get people kind of just that's a little
Speaker 1: bit of adjustment in their thinking all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: they're not so quick to blame. I went one time,
Speaker 1: well I can just tell you a lot of stories,
Speaker 1: but we have we bought our first shopping mall. Well, they,
Speaker 1: first of all, they didn't want us to buy it
Speaker 1: because pretty much predominantly now we have mixed community in
Speaker 1: our church, but predominantly African American. They didn't want us
Speaker 1: to buy it. It's thirty three acres and yet that
Speaker 1: Forest Park, Illinois, right on the western edge of Chicago
Speaker 1: city limit. And so what happened was that was tried
Speaker 1: to first stop that. Well they couldn't stop it. Why
Speaker 1: because you know, people told me, well I passed, that
Speaker 1: you're gonna have tough time, and they really, you know,
Speaker 1: don't particularly want you to buy that, and so forth,
Speaker 1: I said, so what what difference does it make? And
Speaker 1: then when we got them all, we're gonna build in
Speaker 1: that thirty three acres our auditorium for a church. And
Speaker 1: so here we are, and we're gonna build it. We're
Speaker 1: gonna we've just bought it. Now we're gonna have services
Speaker 1: in it in an area that was a big box store,
Speaker 1: like a big home lumber depot, and so we we
Speaker 1: had cleaned it up and gonna have services there, and
Speaker 1: they made an ordinance with the city council that we
Speaker 1: could not have services there. Well what happened, I said, Okay, God,
Speaker 1: what do I do? So I he said, go to
Speaker 1: bed early and wake up early and pray. And I did.
Speaker 1: And he said just go read the mayor Romans after
Speaker 1: thirteen and read one versus one through seven. I said, okay,
Speaker 1: so I did. I went there, and the mayor jumped
Speaker 1: up in the middle of that and said, Reverend, I
Speaker 1: don't know. We voted that you can't have services in there,
Speaker 1: but maybe I can do something about that. The whole
Speaker 1: thing turned around. But notice what I didn't do. If
Speaker 1: I had eaten those bitter fruit again, if I had
Speaker 1: come up again, and and I asked one of the
Speaker 1: people on my board, I said, what do I do.
Speaker 1: He's a lawyer, he said, sue him, pastor. I said, okay,
Speaker 1: how long will that take? He said, no, take about
Speaker 1: five years. I said five years. I got to be
Speaker 1: in there tomorrow night. I said, now, no, think of
Speaker 1: something else. I asked the person in construction on the board.
Speaker 1: I said, what do I do? He said, there's another
Speaker 1: place upside up north. I can build it out and
Speaker 1: we could have services there. I said, that's not what
Speaker 1: God told me. He told me have services right here
Speaker 1: on these thirty three acres that we had purchased. Well
Speaker 1: what happened. I'm just saying, through faith and love turned
Speaker 1: it right around. And that's an example love it and
Speaker 1: that's happened to me all the way through pass the wins,
Speaker 1: and that is so interesting. And I know that people
Speaker 1: want to hear more. Let's pick that up right after
Speaker 1: we come back after break. This is I think something
Speaker 1: that's particularly of interest to me because I know, you know,
Speaker 1: for my listenership, we have folks of all faiths that
Speaker 1: that listened to the to this podcast on a weekly
Speaker 1: business and I'm so thankful for that. And I've expressed
Speaker 1: my faith on many occasions, especially through my book Taking
Speaker 1: for Granted, where I talk about you specifically and and
Speaker 1: being led by God to do particular things. Now, I
Speaker 1: want to know from you, what role do you think
Speaker 1: UH faith should be taking now in this environment, because
Speaker 1: those are a lot of people who are lacking faith.
Speaker 1: A lot of folks are just plainly hopeless as to
Speaker 1: as to what to do next. And I'm and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be honest with you, I've had moments where I
Speaker 1: felt like I wasn't properly a line. I've been thinking
Speaker 1: about this a lot lately, and I've not talked to
Speaker 1: you about this, but you know, I've been thinking, Man,
Speaker 1: I've had all this success, I've worked hard, and God
Speaker 1: has blessed me and favored me to be where I am.
Speaker 1: I'm not married yet, and you know all these things that, uh,
Speaker 1: that I really want in life. And I've even sent you,
Speaker 1: you know, text measures like hey, I'm I'm seeing this
Speaker 1: young ladies. You know how picture, et cetera. And you
Speaker 1: always tell me to, you know, just pump your brakes
Speaker 1: and just hear God and just move forward in that direction.
Speaker 1: So I'm intrigued to know, for a lot of people
Speaker 1: who are listening of different faiths, what would you tell
Speaker 1: them your your religious beliefs. And I know you're not
Speaker 1: really wanted to talk about religious beliefs. And you can
Speaker 1: believe religion comes from the Greek religion, which translates back
Speaker 1: to bonders. But your theology, your views, and what role
Speaker 1: religionship play in today's world. Well, here's here's what it
Speaker 1: can happen if you ever learn about faith one, what
Speaker 1: it is, how it comes, and what it can do.
Speaker 1: If you ever learn that it'll give you all the
Speaker 1: comfort in any situation that you will ever be in.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any difference because if you learn to
Speaker 1: see faith as a servant of the believer, you can
Speaker 1: have your faith do things and work for you while
Speaker 1: you're asleep, and faith will be working in our faith
Speaker 1: literally connects you with God's ability literally, and once that happens,
Speaker 1: God goes to work for you. Now you're not making
Speaker 1: God do something, but God is fulfilling a promise. So
Speaker 1: every promise of God in the Bible takes faith to
Speaker 1: energize it, to faith to give it the power to
Speaker 1: bring itself to pass. And and so once you learn this,
Speaker 1: and see how Jesus cursed the victory and while he
Speaker 1: was sleep the victory with it away, how Jesus to
Speaker 1: stop the storm. And I'm saying, one thing after another,
Speaker 1: everything he did he did as a what I call
Speaker 1: a samples son, showing you and me how we can
Speaker 1: do that. I got my wife by faith, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to get you out of faith. But it's it's, it's,
Speaker 1: it's it's the best way to do it because now
Speaker 1: I've got I've got God in it. I've got God
Speaker 1: in it. And what God promised he is watching over
Speaker 1: to make it good. And I'm saying, all right, let's
Speaker 1: take a job. For example. Somebody says, well, you know,
Speaker 1: things are down, jobs are scared, so forth, all right,
Speaker 1: here's my wife when when I was sound in in seminary,
Speaker 1: and and and now I'm in seminary and going full
Speaker 1: time and we need someone working in the house. And
Speaker 1: my wife said, guys went to sound around some of
Speaker 1: these employment agencies, but they said there are no jobs.
Speaker 1: Everybody's getting laid off. So what does she do. She
Speaker 1: comes back and we're going to buy because faith comes
Speaker 1: by hearing and hearing by the word of God. And
Speaker 1: we come into bottle and find a promise that says,
Speaker 1: my God shall supply all your need. No notice what
Speaker 1: she's doing. Now, we're about to apply faith. So she
Speaker 1: begins to take that and do what it says. Because
Speaker 1: the Bible is a success book. So she begins to
Speaker 1: take that what says and begin to take all the
Speaker 1: related scriptures and put them on three by five cards
Speaker 1: and past them all over the house. Why because the
Speaker 1: Bible says keep the word in your eyes, in your ears,
Speaker 1: in your mouth, and in your heart. So she's pasting them.
Speaker 1: I go to refrigerator, redeemed from the curse. I go
Speaker 1: to the bathroom. I mean, it's one on the top
Speaker 1: of the daughter too. But she's continuing to say it
Speaker 1: because we have no idea how much we are ruled
Speaker 1: by our confession, just the words we say so even
Speaker 1: when you when you're joking and you say, oh man,
Speaker 1: I'm dead because you're laughing. People say that and they said,
Speaker 1: oh man, you make me sick, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you've got you've got to watch that because what where
Speaker 1: you are now normally is a result of what you
Speaker 1: thought and what you've spoken. That if we've been designed
Speaker 1: to live like God, I mean to operate like our father.
Speaker 1: And the way he got things done is spoken words
Speaker 1: of what Jesus did, he did with words. Okay, no,
Speaker 1: so what does she do? She began to confess it.
Speaker 1: Long story short. Friend of mine came over to the
Speaker 1: house and in my classmate. He said, hey, Bill, Uh no, Veronica,
Speaker 1: is Bill in the house? Yeah, he's in the house. Oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, you got the job yet. I was
Speaker 1: going to listen to see what she said. She said,
Speaker 1: I sure do. Now, this is faith. Now, faith calls
Speaker 1: things that be not though they were. That's what it does.
Speaker 1: That's the difference that when you say that around certain people,
Speaker 1: it's oh no, wait a minute. And this is what
Speaker 1: he said, Well, where is it? She said, Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly where it is, but I got it. Okay,
Speaker 1: Notice people think you're little cuckoo. Why why because you
Speaker 1: said that, But but if you look at it, Notice
Speaker 1: how you get the temperature in a room to rise.
Speaker 1: You take the thumberstat and turn it to the temperature
Speaker 1: you want, and then it happens. The same thing about
Speaker 1: your tongue. Take your tongue, take it to the place
Speaker 1: you wanted, and then everything will rise to meet that place.
Speaker 1: You follow one him saying I do. And I have
Speaker 1: a perfect example for that is something that I learned
Speaker 1: at your church. You you invited a speaker his name
Speaker 1: was fair Great for a finance conference, and he's somebody
Speaker 1: that's out here now. He's still doing pretty well. And
Speaker 1: before you brought the speaker and you were teaching on
Speaker 1: Joshua one in three every place of the soul of
Speaker 1: your foots are tread upon that about giving unto you.
Speaker 1: And at that time I was about eighteen years old,
Speaker 1: I think. And you kept teach on it every Sunday,
Speaker 1: every Sunday, and they began to take root in my heart.
Speaker 1: So now I had a desire for real estate. But
Speaker 1: how am I going to get involved in real estate
Speaker 1: when I'm living at home and you know that much
Speaker 1: money I was working for the federal government at that time.
Speaker 1: Part time, I was saving money, but you know, I'm
Speaker 1: still working. So it's a big mindset to have, and
Speaker 1: I think that's incredibly important. And you're talking about shifting
Speaker 1: your mindset and really how to really save a lot
Speaker 1: of people in these marginalized communities. They have to be
Speaker 1: taught something, they have something, they have to hear it
Speaker 1: over and over again. So I'm going to your church,
Speaker 1: and I go to this conference, and I go to
Speaker 1: sit at this well. At this point, actually I'm going
Speaker 1: to the conference and this the freeway traffic was back
Speaker 1: going to Chicago. But I kept feeling lad to go.
Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna be later, miss it or something.
Speaker 1: So I ended up going. And I get out and
Speaker 1: people are waiting outside because they couldn't get in. It
Speaker 1: wasn't yet open. Something like wow, okay, maybe there was
Speaker 1: deception trying to keep me from going. So I ended
Speaker 1: up they opened the doors. I went in the bathroom
Speaker 1: and I came out and it seemed like they were
Speaker 1: putting people back out because they were let into early.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I meet this gentleman, older African American gentleman
Speaker 1: with his son and he goes up to the door,
Speaker 1: seemed like an important guy because they say, how many
Speaker 1: people do you have? Said, just me and my son.
Speaker 1: And I walk up and I say, can I be
Speaker 1: your son? He says, yeah, me and my two sons.
Speaker 1: So we go in the tables and the auditorium, et cetera.
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting down at the table and and I'm
Speaker 1: talking to the gentleman and he said, so what do
Speaker 1: you do? And I'm a young man, I'm eighteen years old.
Speaker 1: I said, well, I work with the federal government, et cetera.
Speaker 1: I said what do you do? He said, well, I'm
Speaker 1: a real estate investor. I said, really, wow, how did
Speaker 1: you get into that? And he said, well, at first
Speaker 1: I was a janitor and my boss was talking about
Speaker 1: real estate, etcetera, etcetera. I got some training and now
Speaker 1: I'm a multi millionaire. So I'm like, what, how's that
Speaker 1: even possible? And oftentimes you will say, hey, even in
Speaker 1: the Kingdom of godam jenitor can become a millionaire of
Speaker 1: jet Jet. That's what you said. So everyone seemingly was
Speaker 1: coming that was coming into it. They were hearing our
Speaker 1: conversation about real estate, and they started coming around the
Speaker 1: table and sitting with us, so I collected everyone's in nation.
Speaker 1: I kept meditating on the scripture, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I call up this realtor that I met that night,
Speaker 1: and I sat down with her and we're talking about
Speaker 1: real estates. So she's like, well, I need to check
Speaker 1: your credit, et cetera. So she checks my credit and
Speaker 1: she says, well, your credit came back to zero. And
Speaker 1: I said, how is that even possible? I thought it
Speaker 1: was like as loads of four hundred or something. She said,
Speaker 1: that just means you haven't developed any credit yet. Because
Speaker 1: I say, okay, and I'm about to demonstrate this point
Speaker 1: really quickly on faith so people can really really understand
Speaker 1: it and take it home. I talked about it in
Speaker 1: my book Take It for Granted. If you want to
Speaker 1: know more, I put the scripture in it, etcetera. So
Speaker 1: I'm saying, how is it a zero? She said, well,
Speaker 1: you got to develop your credits. I say, okay, Well,
Speaker 1: now that I've been listening to the the pastor wins and
Speaker 1: I know I need to go get this scripture and
Speaker 1: build faith for it. So somehow I meet somebody at
Speaker 1: work and they had a list of scriptures and they
Speaker 1: said Hey, this is the scripture that I used for
Speaker 1: my house. And I said, wow, no credit, She said
Speaker 1: her for her credit. I said, okay, wow, let me
Speaker 1: take this. I started confessing it every day, upon it
Speaker 1: to myself and all of us. Sudden, I had these
Speaker 1: ideas of what to do with this one credit card
Speaker 1: that I had. I began to use it and pay
Speaker 1: it off, immediately, use it, pay it off immediately. My
Speaker 1: credit in one one time became a seven thirty, from
Speaker 1: a zero to a seven thirty. And I know people
Speaker 1: are listening, like, wow, how is that even possible? I
Speaker 1: was working the system, but I want people to understand
Speaker 1: the practical. Uh, the practical. So it was I was
Speaker 1: led to do something, an action. I had to take
Speaker 1: a step. Faith without works is dead. I had to
Speaker 1: take a step, and that step in it of itself,
Speaker 1: I began to use this credit card, pay it off
Speaker 1: multiple times a week. I was actually doing this. The
Speaker 1: credit card company noticed this. They raised my credit limit
Speaker 1: by a lot, and then my credit shot up. That's
Speaker 1: how it happened. But it still took some direction by
Speaker 1: God to make this happen. And I want people to
Speaker 1: understand how practical this is, because oftentimes when we talk
Speaker 1: about faith, people think of it. It's kind of like, oh,
Speaker 1: spooky and ghost and how this happened. But there's a
Speaker 1: practical measure to it. I remember you talking about how
Speaker 1: you can plan a seed and God will bless you
Speaker 1: with the promotion on your job. Never thought about them
Speaker 1: how it can happen anyway. See, people have separated God
Speaker 1: from work. Hey, they have. They've taken and said, well,
Speaker 1: I go to Sunday, go to church on Sunday, and
Speaker 1: the rest of the week I leave God in church.
Speaker 1: I'm out of good working. And that's not the Hebrew concept.
Speaker 1: I want to give a special thanks to Dr Bill
Speaker 1: Wilson for the first half of our amazing interviews, and
Speaker 1: be sure to tune into part two of this great conversation.
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