1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Up next, Out Loud with Gianno called Well part of 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: the beginning with school. Growing up in poverty on the 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: South Side of Chicago, I didn't have much reason to hope. 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: My mother was addicted to drugs, and my neighborhood was 5 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: filled with islands. But my guests today, one of the 6 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: wisest and most accomplishment I've ever met, helped lead me 7 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: to a better life. Yes, when I say a better life, 8 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: I'm referring to all the fantastic things I've been blessed 9 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: to do now, including this podcast. He guided me and 10 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: he inspired me through the power of truth. This is 11 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: out Loud with Gianno called Welcome back to out Loud 12 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: with Gianno Calledwell Today, I have a very special show 13 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: plan for you, my listeners. My guess is Dr Bill Winston, 14 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 1: who was actually my pastor from back home in Chicago. 15 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: Dr Winston is the founder and senior pastor of Living 16 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: Where Christian Center, a nondenominational Christian church with more than 17 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: twenty thousand members located in Forest Park, Illinois, which is 18 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: a suburb right outside of Chicago. He's also the senior 19 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: pastor of Living Word Christian Center Tuskegee, which is in Tuskegee, Alabama. 20 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: He's the founder of Bill Winston Ministries, a partnership based 21 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:14,839 Speaker 1: global outreach ministry that reaches over eight hundred million households 22 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: worldwide through TV and radio programs. Dr Winston also has 23 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: eight hundred and eighty two national and international churches and 24 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: ministries under his spiritual Covering through Faith Ministry Alliance. If 25 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: all of that's not enough, Dr Winston is also an author, 26 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: an entrepreneur, and educator and a veteran with so many 27 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: wonderful programs and initiatives to spread the Word of God 28 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: and help people succeed in life. And all I can 29 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: say from personal experience is Dr Winston is truly a 30 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: wonderful and amazing man who has had a profound influence 31 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: on my life. Let's go well, I'm super super excited 32 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: about having you on, Dr Bill Winston. I've been a 33 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: part of your ministry since two thousand and five. I 34 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: remember coming into the church and what that experience was like, 35 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: and more importantly, I remember when I first saw you 36 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: on television and had dynamic you were. And I must 37 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: say that you've made an incredible impression upon my life. 38 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: You've influenced a lot of my decisions, and you've been 39 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: a mentor to me since two thousand and five without 40 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: me even knowing you personally, But of course I know 41 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: you personally now. So I want to thank you for 42 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 1: joining us today, and I think it's going to be 43 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: a blessing for all to hear you. It is my privilege. 44 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: Jan I thank you. I thank you so much. So 45 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: for those listening who may not know much about you, 46 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: let's start with your early life and your personal journey. 47 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: You were born in Tuskegee, Alabama. What you like growing 48 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: up in Alabama during the age of this is most 49 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: of our parents were Tuskey German and so the legacy 50 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: of that was very present in the Tuskegee area. And 51 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: so Tuskege itself small town, but but at a big 52 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: legacy had Tuskey German and also had the sixth the 53 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 1: largest VIA hospital in the in the country. And so 54 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: because of that segregation in that time, you have most 55 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: of the physicians who African American came to do their 56 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: internship and so forth at the VA Hospital in Tuskegee. 57 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: And also you had the university, which look at the 58 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: Washington founded in one and that had the professors and 59 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: so forth and so on. So you had these three 60 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: professions there. So when I look at my life growing up, 61 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: I went to the school that's elementary school, which is 62 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: a lab school of the university, and we had to 63 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: visit Carbon Museum once a year. We had French in 64 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: the third grade, we had all of us had by 65 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: the fourth grade, we had carpentry, and we had all this. 66 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: We had to have made a lamp and so forth, 67 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: and so they were grooming us really for leadership. Just 68 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: about everybody, myself and Lionel Richie and whoever else grew 69 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: up with us. The person everybody grew up we're going 70 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: to save. So all of us we had something in us. 71 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: And that's a lot of times how people see themselves 72 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: as the way other people see them. And so we 73 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: all were taught really that we weren't missing anything. So 74 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: I wasn't eager to integrate because we had everything and 75 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: we were taught things that that Normally most of the 76 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: people who finished elementary school with me went away to 77 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: boarding schools in the north and so forth. I had 78 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: to say, uh, they're at Tuskegee High School because the 79 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: dad said he didn't have that kind of money, and 80 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: so I stayed there and so but growing up there 81 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: was really experienced. But what it did, it worked on 82 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: my esteem, which is I think you know eighty of 83 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: what somebody can do and perform and how they can 84 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: see themselves. So that was the foundation of it. I've 85 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: finished undergraded Tuskegee and ended up going ROTC and flying 86 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: fighters and that was a background of that. Wow. And 87 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: you talk a lot about your military service, and we 88 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: we certainly honor and thank you for your service to 89 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: this great country. I'm really intrigued to know, especially knowing 90 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: the kind of man that you are, how is that 91 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: experience being in the military at such an interesting time 92 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: and fighting and flying fighter as a fireplan. There's a 93 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: couple of things about that. One is that it what 94 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: it did, it pulls on a potential in me that 95 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: I never knew I had. And the word potential means 96 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: hidden abilities. And what happens is people don't want to 97 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: make a step because they don't think they will succeed 98 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: or whatever have you, but not knowing of what has 99 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: been placed in them. Every one of us has a gift. 100 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: I don't care who you are, what country you are, 101 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: You've got a gift and a gift will make room 102 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: for you. The Bible didn't say your education, would it 103 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: say your gift? Would it will make room for you 104 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: and bring before great men? Not down on education. But 105 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: what I did is is I had to fly and compete. 106 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: And that's where you go to pilot training. Where I 107 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: went in uh San Antonio, Texas at Randolph Air Force Space. 108 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: But when I got there, had thirty and other students 109 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: in the classes coming from universities, and we had to 110 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: learn progressively that we could do things that we never 111 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: thought we could do. And he started that a little 112 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: light airplane that had to propel it, and you progress 113 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: right on up into the supersonic jets, and then you've 114 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: got your assignment. And I ended up going to war 115 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: and so forth, and Fawn and a lot of people 116 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: don't know it, but I wrote the op ed on 117 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: this that you can go and be in the military 118 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: inside of war without hating. They think you have to 119 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: hate to be on the other side, but you don't. 120 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: And um that it was a military experience that I had, 121 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: and I have been trained there in leadership and leading 122 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: a flight and so forth. Now that means you've got 123 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: to be making decisions on the split second, and you 124 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: just have to develop some leadership qualities that that I 125 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: didn't even know I had in me. So I wrote 126 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: that book on Spirit of Leadership. The name is Spirit 127 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: of Leadership, that everybody's a leader first of all, and 128 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: that all leadership is spiritual. So as I developed that, 129 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: it really taught me how to lead. So when I 130 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: came out of the military and went to work for IDM, 131 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: that I was in training for a year in each 132 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: one of those classes at four schools I had to 133 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: go to, and three of those schools they didn't even 134 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: know me, but they wanted me to be the president 135 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: of the class. And so for now, I didn't choose this. 136 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: I didn't. They come from all kinds of schools, either, league, 137 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: universities and so forth. But I think leadership qualities can 138 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: be detected. I think people can sent them and so forth. 139 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: It's interesting how the Bible says the blind leaders of 140 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: the blind, meaning that they have no vision. And I 141 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: think one of the real qualities of it is vision. 142 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: Look at the Washington head vision, George Washington Carver head vision, 143 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: and because of it they could leave will and expand 144 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: and so forth. And one so Tuskegee the growing up there, 145 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: the legacy of that, I think part of that book 146 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: at the Washington legacy of educating people and so forth 147 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: and teaching. I think that's still on me right now. 148 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: You know, you've mentioned something which I think, uh shows 149 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: great parallels to where we are today, when you talked 150 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: about you being in the military and you you're fighting 151 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: against the enemy, but yet still not hating someone. And 152 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: now we're in an environment of our politics where it's 153 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: you're a Democrat, you're a Republican, you're an independent, progressive, 154 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: you're a libertarian, and everybody's fighting against each other, ether 155 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: everybody hating each other. You look at social media and 156 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: you see nothing but hateful comments coming on all sides. 157 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: Can you go into why you think that is well? 158 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: I think that's part of the results of Adam and 159 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: Eves fall in the Garden. I think that they got 160 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: into selfishness, and I think many times hate is rooted 161 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: in fear and selfishness, and love is just the opposite. 162 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: It's a product of faith. And so I remember when 163 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: I was in IBM, and I was now turning the 164 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: corner and kind of doing well in my sales and computers, 165 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: and my boss called me in boss's boss, who happened 166 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: to be African American. He was he was trained by 167 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: in the chairman's office, and at that time he had 168 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: two branch managers in the United States and and one 169 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: without on the West Coast, and one was in Chicago, 170 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: which was my boss's boss. And he called me and 171 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: they Billy, why don't you come on in. Let's see 172 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: what you do, how you're doing on your accounts. So 173 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: I came to start talking to him, and then I 174 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 1: was talking to him about my accounts, and and I said, now, 175 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: this account, this CEO here, I think he's kind of 176 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: an idiot. And he so forth, he said, wait, wait, wait, wait, 177 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: wait a minute, don't say that, I said, sir. He said, 178 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: don't ever do that. That's what he said, call him 179 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: a name like that. I said, well, you know, we're 180 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: behind closed doors. And so he said, no, no, if 181 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: you call him that long enough, you'll believe it. And 182 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: if you believe it, you'll treat him like that. And 183 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: IBM does not treat its customers like that. I never 184 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: forgot that. You see, you can be on the opposite 185 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: side and not hate, because hate takes you to a 186 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: whole another level. And their fruit to hate. There's a 187 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: fruit to actually doing that to your neighbor. And the 188 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: op ed I just read and sent over to you, 189 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: it's on this thing called the man who went from 190 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: his this good Samaritan, he went from his place, and 191 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: next thing, you know, he fell into some need, and 192 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,599 Speaker 1: and three religious to religious people passed by him. And 193 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: and then one man who was a Samaritan who was rejected, 194 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: he came by and and he bandaged up his wounds, 195 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: so forth and so on, and Jesus said, well, who 196 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: was neighbored to this man? And and so I'm just 197 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: saying that he was teaching me a lesson about how 198 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: to treat people, because part of what drives hate is 199 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: people feeling that they have been put down there for 200 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: some reason, disdained some of the words. Kim has a 201 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: word for it, but yeah, yeah, and and they get 202 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: like that, and you who is it? Will Roger says 203 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: he never looks out on a person or something like that, 204 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: or book at the Washington says he never looks down 205 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: on the man without picking him up, and that whole thing. 206 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: But I learned that, and I learned to treat my 207 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: marketing reps like that. When I got into management and 208 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 1: and learn to treat people like that. The next thing, 209 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: you know him in the in the ministry, and you've 210 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: got to look at people as in according to what 211 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: God says they can be, and not so much of 212 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: how they're performing right now, because many times they don't 213 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: come up to your you know, professional standard. But you've 214 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: got to teach them. And so that's that's my piece 215 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: that I learned. That was a heavy piece. Now I 216 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: understand all of this is scriptural because it says faith 217 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: work it by love. I didn't I don't think my 218 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: boss's boss went invested too much in the scriptures. But 219 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: but the company taught those principles because it knew that 220 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: every seat son there's a harvest to it, and that 221 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: if you say that long enough, then the harvest of 222 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 1: that will come forth in your actions towards that customer client. 223 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, IBM will get the business, so 224 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: lose the business and so forth like that. So it's 225 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: that that's that's what I learned from that. But hatred, 226 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: this thing is going around today and it's almost like 227 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: almost like a plague, and what happened, Yeah, that's the 228 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: ons agree with you. We're going to continue that point 229 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: in the moment refers. Here's a quick word from our sponsor. 230 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 1: It's almost hard to look at the news. It's hard 231 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: to look at social that there's so much division, and 232 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: it's like people are living in different realities. It's like, okay, 233 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: this is right. Well no, I think this is right, 234 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: and it's hard to come together in unite. That's because 235 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: they're not living but faith. See when you when you 236 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: get over into faith, which is what I teach, then 237 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: it's amazing how you can see the unseen. You you 238 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: can you can operate in a way that that that 239 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 1: would cause you to see things as they should be 240 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: and not so much as they are. Let let me, 241 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: let me be un example, the Bible even talks about 242 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: if a person that we're talking faith now, it talks 243 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: about in Hebrews chapter twelve. It talks about that if 244 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: I go around somebody and and they're bitter about something, 245 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: that they can talk about it to me long enough 246 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 1: that I'll eat the fruit of their bitterness. If if 247 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: I'm not protected now, if I'm not aware of what's 248 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: going on, that I could eat the fruit of their 249 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: bitterness and many be defiled. Let me give you a 250 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: case in point. This is faith talk. Now, this is 251 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: in the marketplace, this is at IBM. So I'm coming 252 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: up for promotion. Shows what happens. Some guys from headquarters 253 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: come down from some of the top exacts. They come 254 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: down because they want to see me. And so there's 255 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: the presentation at the branch office. I've got a portion 256 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: of that presentation. So I'm gonna give a presentation. Okay, 257 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: my part. Well, that night before the presentation, I stopped 258 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: our friend's house. Well he's been mistreated, and he's been 259 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: mistreated as a member of the another race. So he said, 260 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: you know those people that blah blah blah blah blah blah, 261 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: mistreated their prejudice there, this and that. So I I 262 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: sit there and just get a just get a dose 263 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: of it, you know. So I go home and sleep 264 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: on it. Now it's growing inside of me. Say, and 265 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: that's why the scriptures tell us take heat what you hear. 266 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: I don't hear too much of that news because because 267 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: when it starts coming off wrong, I'm not I don't. 268 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: I just can't eat it. So what happens is I 269 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: got up the next morning going to the presentation. So 270 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: when the boy cities gave the One of the managers 271 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: gave the presentation, another one gave his. Now it's my turn. 272 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: I'll come up to give my part the presentation. The 273 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: branch managers looking over all of us, and I didn't 274 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: know it, but it was a setup. They were coming 275 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: down to our branch office to see me because I 276 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: think they were going to take me back up the 277 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: headquarters from next promotion. Well, I started fishing, well, I'm 278 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: this bitterness is starting to come out. And one of 279 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: the exact acts it said, let me ask you, Bill 280 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: on on this right here. So I said, well, look 281 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: at it. You can see it right now. I mean, 282 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: it's plainist day I put it right. I've said this before, 283 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: you know, just nasty. Well they left. Once they left, 284 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: my boss came in my office. He I won't use 285 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: the language, he used, What did you do? I should? Well, 286 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: I was going through the pres said Bill, when that 287 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: attitude come point? What what if? What's happening to you? 288 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: I said, well, you know this friend of mine told 289 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: me about my friend of mine didn't rumping the friend 290 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: plan at the seed and it began to take you 291 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: and you began to particular way just by based on 292 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: who you are around there, so you can stop a 293 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: whole race that way. You know what's interesting on that 294 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: point in terms of you can stop a whole race. 295 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: And and I want to I want to kind of 296 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: tell you something that you may not even realize. So 297 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: I grew up in the church, went to a bunch 298 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: of different churches. My grandmother was or still as a minister, 299 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: a pastor, and we went to a lot of churches 300 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: that weren't really teaching the word in that way. It 301 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: was kind of emotional, it was it wasn't rooted in truth. 302 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: So I thought growing up being black was a disadvantage. 303 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: I thought that I wouldn't be able to do certain 304 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: things because I was black. And then I went to 305 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: your church, and I begin to hear things that you 306 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: would say, and you would say, it's not up to 307 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: the government here. You don't depend on government to take 308 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: care of you, know, you would tell you would say 309 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: things like it doesn't matter what color you are, you 310 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: can be successful. You begin to put thoughts into my 311 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: head that I had never heard before, never heard before, 312 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: And a lot of times in the communities that I 313 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: grew up in, that was what they taught. They taught 314 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: that you weren't going to be successful because you were black, 315 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: you or you would be marginally successful. You would maybe 316 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 1: you get become the manager of the company versus being 317 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: the owner of the company. Took a different word with 318 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: regards to that. And honestly, and I'm gonna say this, 319 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: I know you're not political, and you don't get political 320 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: and all that. Part of the reason I'm conservative is 321 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: because of the messages in which you taught on a 322 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: regular and consistent basis, were about self empowerment and allowing 323 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 1: faith in God to take you to that next level. 324 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: And I'll be honest, I wouldn't be here right now 325 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: talking to you if it wasn't for those messages. How 326 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: did that come about in your life? Because I'm hearing 327 00:17:54,160 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: echo Kildhood. And we were just brought up for We 328 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: never saw ourselves as the underdogs. Never ever. I never 329 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: thought that I didn't have any reason to integrate for 330 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: what you know, I mean we had it. We we 331 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: were I mean you know, I mean they were all 332 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: a big community. And Dr Kenny, who was a general practitioner, 333 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: he taught me tennis and and and I had over here. 334 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: My brother went on the campus, he graduated, finished high school. 335 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: In three years he went up on the campus after 336 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 1: every day Monday to Friday to draw um and be 337 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: trained by Mr Love and architecture, and he went on 338 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: to Howard uh in architectal Engineering and finishing masters. And 339 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: so I mean we we didn't, we didn't need it. 340 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: The thing when I put that in me, I've found 341 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: out that no one can stop me from eaching my 342 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: destiny but me. That's what I found out. No one 343 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: can stop me from reaching my destiny but me. And 344 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: when you look back at it, people said, well, you 345 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: know God is running the world, and so what, No, 346 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: he's not. He's not running the world. God is running 347 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: the church. The church should be running the world. And 348 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: when you get people kind of just that's a little 349 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,959 Speaker 1: bit of adjustment in their thinking all of a sudden, 350 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: they're not so quick to blame. I went one time, 351 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: well I can just tell you a lot of stories, 352 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 1: but we have we bought our first shopping mall. Well, they, 353 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: first of all, they didn't want us to buy it 354 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: because pretty much predominantly now we have mixed community in 355 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: our church, but predominantly African American. They didn't want us 356 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: to buy it. It's thirty three acres and yet that 357 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: Forest Park, Illinois, right on the western edge of Chicago 358 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: city limit. And so what happened was that was tried 359 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: to first stop that. Well they couldn't stop it. Why 360 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: because you know, people told me, well I passed, that 361 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna have tough time, and they really, you know, 362 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: don't particularly want you to buy that, and so forth, 363 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,959 Speaker 1: I said, so what what difference does it make? And 364 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: then when we got them all, we're gonna build in 365 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: that thirty three acres our auditorium for a church. And 366 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: so here we are, and we're gonna build it. We're 367 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: gonna we've just bought it. Now we're gonna have services 368 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: in it in an area that was a big box store, 369 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: like a big home lumber depot, and so we we 370 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 1: had cleaned it up and gonna have services there, and 371 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: they made an ordinance with the city council that we 372 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: could not have services there. Well what happened, I said, Okay, God, 373 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: what do I do? So I he said, go to 374 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: bed early and wake up early and pray. And I did. 375 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: And he said just go read the mayor Romans after 376 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: thirteen and read one versus one through seven. I said, okay, 377 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: so I did. I went there, and the mayor jumped 378 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: up in the middle of that and said, Reverend, I 379 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: don't know. We voted that you can't have services in there, 380 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: but maybe I can do something about that. The whole 381 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: thing turned around. But notice what I didn't do. If 382 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: I had eaten those bitter fruit again, if I had 383 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 1: come up again, and and I asked one of the 384 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: people on my board, I said, what do I do. 385 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: He's a lawyer, he said, sue him, pastor. I said, okay, 386 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: how long will that take? He said, no, take about 387 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: five years. I said five years. I got to be 388 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: in there tomorrow night. I said, now, no, think of 389 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: something else. I asked the person in construction on the board. 390 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: I said, what do I do? He said, there's another 391 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: place upside up north. I can build it out and 392 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: we could have services there. I said, that's not what 393 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: God told me. He told me have services right here 394 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: on these thirty three acres that we had purchased. Well 395 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: what happened. I'm just saying, through faith and love turned 396 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,479 Speaker 1: it right around. And that's an example love it and 397 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: that's happened to me all the way through pass the wins, 398 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: and that is so interesting. And I know that people 399 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: want to hear more. Let's pick that up right after 400 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: we come back after break. This is I think something 401 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,239 Speaker 1: that's particularly of interest to me because I know, you know, 402 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: for my listenership, we have folks of all faiths that 403 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: that listened to the to this podcast on a weekly 404 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: business and I'm so thankful for that. And I've expressed 405 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: my faith on many occasions, especially through my book Taking 406 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: for Granted, where I talk about you specifically and and 407 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: being led by God to do particular things. Now, I 408 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: want to know from you, what role do you think 409 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: UH faith should be taking now in this environment, because 410 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: those are a lot of people who are lacking faith. 411 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: A lot of folks are just plainly hopeless as to 412 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: as to what to do next. And I'm and I'm 413 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: gonna be honest with you, I've had moments where I 414 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: felt like I wasn't properly a line. I've been thinking 415 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: about this a lot lately, and I've not talked to 416 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: you about this, but you know, I've been thinking, Man, 417 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: I've had all this success, I've worked hard, and God 418 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: has blessed me and favored me to be where I am. 419 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: I'm not married yet, and you know all these things that, uh, 420 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 1: that I really want in life. And I've even sent you, 421 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 1: you know, text measures like hey, I'm I'm seeing this 422 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: young ladies. You know how picture, et cetera. And you 423 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: always tell me to, you know, just pump your brakes 424 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 1: and just hear God and just move forward in that direction. 425 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: So I'm intrigued to know, for a lot of people 426 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: who are listening of different faiths, what would you tell 427 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: them your your religious beliefs. And I know you're not 428 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: really wanted to talk about religious beliefs. And you can 429 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: believe religion comes from the Greek religion, which translates back 430 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: to bonders. But your theology, your views, and what role 431 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: religionship play in today's world. Well, here's here's what it 432 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: can happen if you ever learn about faith one, what 433 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: it is, how it comes, and what it can do. 434 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: If you ever learn that it'll give you all the 435 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: comfort in any situation that you will ever be in. 436 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: It doesn't make any difference because if you learn to 437 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: see faith as a servant of the believer, you can 438 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: have your faith do things and work for you while 439 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: you're asleep, and faith will be working in our faith 440 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: literally connects you with God's ability literally, and once that happens, 441 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: God goes to work for you. Now you're not making 442 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: God do something, but God is fulfilling a promise. So 443 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: every promise of God in the Bible takes faith to 444 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: energize it, to faith to give it the power to 445 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: bring itself to pass. And and so once you learn this, 446 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: and see how Jesus cursed the victory and while he 447 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: was sleep the victory with it away, how Jesus to 448 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 1: stop the storm. And I'm saying, one thing after another, 449 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 1: everything he did he did as a what I call 450 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: a samples son, showing you and me how we can 451 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: do that. I got my wife by faith, and you're 452 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: gonna have to get you out of faith. But it's it's, it's, 453 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: it's it's the best way to do it because now 454 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: I've got I've got God in it. I've got God 455 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: in it. And what God promised he is watching over 456 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: to make it good. And I'm saying, all right, let's 457 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: take a job. For example. Somebody says, well, you know, 458 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: things are down, jobs are scared, so forth, all right, 459 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: here's my wife when when I was sound in in seminary, 460 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: and and and now I'm in seminary and going full 461 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: time and we need someone working in the house. And 462 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: my wife said, guys went to sound around some of 463 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: these employment agencies, but they said there are no jobs. 464 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: Everybody's getting laid off. So what does she do. She 465 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: comes back and we're going to buy because faith comes 466 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: by hearing and hearing by the word of God. And 467 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: we come into bottle and find a promise that says, 468 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: my God shall supply all your need. No notice what 469 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: she's doing. Now, we're about to apply faith. So she 470 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: begins to take that and do what it says. Because 471 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: the Bible is a success book. So she begins to 472 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: take that what says and begin to take all the 473 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: related scriptures and put them on three by five cards 474 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: and past them all over the house. Why because the 475 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: Bible says keep the word in your eyes, in your ears, 476 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: in your mouth, and in your heart. So she's pasting them. 477 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: I go to refrigerator, redeemed from the curse. I go 478 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 1: to the bathroom. I mean, it's one on the top 479 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: of the daughter too. But she's continuing to say it 480 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: because we have no idea how much we are ruled 481 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: by our confession, just the words we say so even 482 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: when you when you're joking and you say, oh man, 483 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: I'm dead because you're laughing. People say that and they said, 484 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: oh man, you make me sick, and all of a sudden, 485 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 1: you've got you've got to watch that because what where 486 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: you are now normally is a result of what you 487 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: thought and what you've spoken. That if we've been designed 488 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: to live like God, I mean to operate like our father. 489 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: And the way he got things done is spoken words 490 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: of what Jesus did, he did with words. Okay, no, 491 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: so what does she do? She began to confess it. 492 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: Long story short. Friend of mine came over to the 493 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: house and in my classmate. He said, hey, Bill, Uh no, Veronica, 494 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: is Bill in the house? Yeah, he's in the house. Oh, 495 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: by the way, you got the job yet. I was 496 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: going to listen to see what she said. She said, 497 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: I sure do. Now, this is faith. Now, faith calls 498 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: things that be not though they were. That's what it does. 499 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: That's the difference that when you say that around certain people, 500 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: it's oh no, wait a minute. And this is what 501 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: he said, Well, where is it? She said, Well, I 502 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: don't know exactly where it is, but I got it. Okay, 503 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: Notice people think you're little cuckoo. Why why because you 504 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: said that, But but if you look at it, Notice 505 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: how you get the temperature in a room to rise. 506 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: You take the thumberstat and turn it to the temperature 507 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: you want, and then it happens. The same thing about 508 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: your tongue. Take your tongue, take it to the place 509 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: you wanted, and then everything will rise to meet that place. 510 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: You follow one him saying I do. And I have 511 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: a perfect example for that is something that I learned 512 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: at your church. You you invited a speaker his name 513 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: was fair Great for a finance conference, and he's somebody 514 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: that's out here now. He's still doing pretty well. And 515 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,719 Speaker 1: before you brought the speaker and you were teaching on 516 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: Joshua one in three every place of the soul of 517 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: your foots are tread upon that about giving unto you. 518 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: And at that time I was about eighteen years old, 519 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: I think. And you kept teach on it every Sunday, 520 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: every Sunday, and they began to take root in my heart. 521 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: So now I had a desire for real estate. But 522 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: how am I going to get involved in real estate 523 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: when I'm living at home and you know that much 524 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: money I was working for the federal government at that time. 525 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: Part time, I was saving money, but you know, I'm 526 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: still working. So it's a big mindset to have, and 527 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: I think that's incredibly important. And you're talking about shifting 528 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: your mindset and really how to really save a lot 529 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: of people in these marginalized communities. They have to be 530 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: taught something, they have something, they have to hear it 531 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: over and over again. So I'm going to your church, 532 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: and I go to this conference, and I go to 533 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: sit at this well. At this point, actually I'm going 534 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: to the conference and this the freeway traffic was back 535 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: going to Chicago. But I kept feeling lad to go. 536 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna be later, miss it or something. 537 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: So I ended up going. And I get out and 538 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: people are waiting outside because they couldn't get in. It 539 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: wasn't yet open. Something like wow, okay, maybe there was 540 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: deception trying to keep me from going. So I ended 541 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: up they opened the doors. I went in the bathroom 542 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: and I came out and it seemed like they were 543 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: putting people back out because they were let into early. 544 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: So anyway, I meet this gentleman, older African American gentleman 545 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: with his son and he goes up to the door, 546 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: seemed like an important guy because they say, how many 547 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: people do you have? Said, just me and my son. 548 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: And I walk up and I say, can I be 549 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: your son? He says, yeah, me and my two sons. 550 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: So we go in the tables and the auditorium, et cetera. 551 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: And I'm sitting down at the table and and I'm 552 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: talking to the gentleman and he said, so what do 553 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: you do? And I'm a young man, I'm eighteen years old. 554 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: I said, well, I work with the federal government, et cetera. 555 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,719 Speaker 1: I said what do you do? He said, well, I'm 556 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: a real estate investor. I said, really, wow, how did 557 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: you get into that? And he said, well, at first 558 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: I was a janitor and my boss was talking about 559 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: real estate, etcetera, etcetera. I got some training and now 560 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: I'm a multi millionaire. So I'm like, what, how's that 561 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: even possible? And oftentimes you will say, hey, even in 562 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: the Kingdom of godam jenitor can become a millionaire of 563 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: jet Jet. That's what you said. So everyone seemingly was 564 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: coming that was coming into it. They were hearing our 565 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: conversation about real estate, and they started coming around the 566 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: table and sitting with us, so I collected everyone's in nation. 567 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: I kept meditating on the scripture, and all of a sudden, 568 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: I call up this realtor that I met that night, 569 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: and I sat down with her and we're talking about 570 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: real estates. So she's like, well, I need to check 571 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: your credit, et cetera. So she checks my credit and 572 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: she says, well, your credit came back to zero. And 573 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: I said, how is that even possible? I thought it 574 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: was like as loads of four hundred or something. She said, 575 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: that just means you haven't developed any credit yet. Because 576 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: I say, okay, and I'm about to demonstrate this point 577 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: really quickly on faith so people can really really understand 578 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: it and take it home. I talked about it in 579 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: my book Take It for Granted. If you want to 580 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: know more, I put the scripture in it, etcetera. So 581 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,479 Speaker 1: I'm saying, how is it a zero? She said, well, 582 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: you got to develop your credits. I say, okay, Well, 583 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: now that I've been listening to the the pastor wins and 584 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: I know I need to go get this scripture and 585 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: build faith for it. So somehow I meet somebody at 586 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: work and they had a list of scriptures and they 587 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: said Hey, this is the scripture that I used for 588 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: my house. And I said, wow, no credit, She said 589 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: her for her credit. I said, okay, wow, let me 590 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: take this. I started confessing it every day, upon it 591 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: to myself and all of us. Sudden, I had these 592 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: ideas of what to do with this one credit card 593 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: that I had. I began to use it and pay 594 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: it off, immediately, use it, pay it off immediately. My 595 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: credit in one one time became a seven thirty, from 596 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: a zero to a seven thirty. And I know people 597 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: are listening, like, wow, how is that even possible? I 598 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: was working the system, but I want people to understand 599 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: the practical. Uh, the practical. So it was I was 600 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: led to do something, an action. I had to take 601 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: a step. Faith without works is dead. I had to 602 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: take a step, and that step in it of itself, 603 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: I began to use this credit card, pay it off 604 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: multiple times a week. I was actually doing this. The 605 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: credit card company noticed this. They raised my credit limit 606 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: by a lot, and then my credit shot up. That's 607 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: how it happened. But it still took some direction by 608 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: God to make this happen. And I want people to 609 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: understand how practical this is, because oftentimes when we talk 610 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: about faith, people think of it. It's kind of like, oh, 611 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: spooky and ghost and how this happened. But there's a 612 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: practical measure to it. I remember you talking about how 613 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: you can plan a seed and God will bless you 614 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: with the promotion on your job. Never thought about them 615 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: how it can happen anyway. See, people have separated God 616 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: from work. Hey, they have. They've taken and said, well, 617 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: I go to Sunday, go to church on Sunday, and 618 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: the rest of the week I leave God in church. 619 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: I'm out of good working. 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