1 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to the OTP presented by Far Bureau Health Plans, 2 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: that the experts at far Bureau Health Plans coach you 3 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: through it when you need great healthcare coverage at a 4 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: price you can afford. They've been protecting Tennessee and since 5 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: nineteen forty seven, that's seventy five years, Amy Wells, Mike Keith, 6 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: NFL Scouting combined. Indianapolis, Indiana. March the fourth, March fourth, 7 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: You know the historical significance of March the fourth, m 8 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: after the third, before the fifth. That's true. I don't 9 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: know used to be the day we inaugurated our presidents. Really, yes, 10 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: Why did they move it? If I remember correctly, it 11 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: was because of World War Two. I think Franklin Delano 12 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: Roosevelt was the first president and inaugurated on January twentieth. Interesting, Okay, 13 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: so this OTP, it's a lot of me. I apologize upfront. 14 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: I think I say give the people what they want. Well, 15 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: but the reason is because we've had to split up 16 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: to do some interviews here in Indianapolis. And the reason 17 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: we've had to split up is because you guys have 18 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: been doing a whiz bang job getting interviews for the 19 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: Titans Amy Coach Mac podcast. We have we have been 20 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: rocking and rolling when it comes to talking to different people. 21 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're going to have Coach Mac at 22 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: an NFL event, you may as well take advantage of it, 23 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: because he stops every five steps to talk to somebody 24 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: he knows. He's the mayor of the combine. He knows 25 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: every human being here, and I wish I was exaggerating. 26 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: He really truly knows every human here. You can't go 27 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: out to dinner with him or we We do, and 28 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: we enjoy it very much. But the problem is you're 29 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: gonna get interrupted walking to and from the restaurant by 30 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: eighty seven people that he knows on the street, yep. 31 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: And then in the restaurant he's got to go speak 32 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: to people or people come speak to him. It really 33 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: is amazing. It's unbelievable the amount of people that he 34 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: knows and the amount of people that he has legitimate 35 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: relationships with like that he's kept in touch with. And 36 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: so of course we decided to leverage that for our 37 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: own gain and put some of these people that Coach 38 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: Mac knows on the Titans Amy and Coach macpods. So 39 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: the next Titans Amy and Coach Mac podcast will be 40 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: a week from today, March the eleventh. Yes, also sponsored 41 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: by Farm Bureau Health Plan. It's sure as we love 42 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: our friends at If you do not subscribe to the 43 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:41,399 Speaker 1: Titans Amy Coach Mac podcast, better known as Tackam, make 44 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: sure and do that. Yes, please do that? Really excited 45 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: for the upcoming episode? Do we tell people who's on 46 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: him now? Okay? I like a little mystery, a little mystery, yeah, 47 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: because we got some good guests. You know, if you're 48 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: going to come to the NFL Combine, you're going to 49 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: talk to Dave McGinnis, if you're an NFL person, if 50 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: you're us, you're going to talk to Daniel Jeremiah. Oh 51 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: of course, well move the sticks himself. Daniel Jeremiah from 52 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: NFL Network. Love the guy. He's also the Charger's color 53 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: commentator with our friend Matt money Smith on Chargers Radio 54 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: and one of the one of the great all time humans. 55 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, just the nicest guy and so knowledgeable 56 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: when it comes to all things NFL Draft. So while 57 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: you were visiting with someone for Tackham, I was visiting 58 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: with Daniel Jeremiah. We're gonna give you a listen to 59 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:35,119 Speaker 1: this now a special to the OTP Here's NFL Networks. 60 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah. Daniel Jeremiah, who is preparing for the bench 61 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: press at the NFL Combine, ask a serious question about 62 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: bench press related things to a scout. Is there a 63 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: most important physical test that is done at the NFL Combine. 64 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: I think there is for each position. I think it's different, 65 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: you know, so I think you say, you can't just 66 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: say blanket number. But you know, for pass rushers, for example, 67 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: the three cone tests has been a great indicator to 68 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: go along with the ten time, right, so ignore the forty, 69 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: the ten that's your get off, that's your takeoff, and 70 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: then the three cone kind of shows you that change 71 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: of direction. So there are certain positions were certain indicators, 72 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: Certain tests mean more than others. But I can tell 73 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: you for certain don't don't tell anybody that the bench 74 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: is not one of them. The bench is not the 75 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: right way. What should be the strength test they should use, 76 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: which which exercise should be done? Well, I think there's 77 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: you know, we have all these force plates that you 78 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: can use. Now that all these teams have, colleges have them, 79 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: the NFL teams have them. I think probably getting those 80 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: readouts would probably be a little bit more valuable just 81 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: how much force you can generate from the ground. But 82 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: I think we're a minute away from from having that 83 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: in terms of the general public having that information. Everybody 84 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: likes to see guys run the forty? Is the forty 85 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: a valuable test for some positions of corner? One hundred percent? 86 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: I think for the corner position that, to me is 87 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: personally is the most important one, just because there's a 88 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: certain threshold you need to meet. I mean, I don't 89 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: everybody run low four three, But if you get a 90 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: corner that comes out there and runs high four six, 91 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: is you got a problem? You know? So as a receiver, 92 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: if I run four six eight, the dB that's with me, 93 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: he's running four six eight two because he's got to 94 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: stay with me, and I can still try and make plays. 95 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: If I'm a corner running four six eight and you 96 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: run four three eight, I'm looking at your tail lights. 97 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: He's this the fastest set of corners you've ever seen 98 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: at a combine. I think we've got a chance to 99 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: have it be that. I mean and big, big and fast. 100 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,239 Speaker 1: We've got a bunch of them, and the GPS readouts 101 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: that we got from the Senior Bowl. If that was 102 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: any indication of what we're gonna see here this week, 103 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: We're gonna see some fast dudes. Who's your favorite corner? Well, 104 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: for me, when I look at it, it's it's it's Sauce. 105 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: I mean Sauce Gardner for me. Out of first, what's 106 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: a cool name? It is so cool. And he's from 107 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: Cincinnati where they have great sauce. Yes, exactly right. Yeah, 108 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: And so you know, there's so many endorsement opportunities. I 109 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: don't know what he did with nil, but he should 110 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: have killed it with that murdered it. Yeah, but he's 111 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: big and loose and fluid. He's gonna be six two, 112 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: he's probably gonna run in the mid four four is. 113 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: He's not gonna bloil you away with a low fourth 114 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: three time. But I was around Chris McAllister in my 115 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: time with the Baltimore Ravens, and when you have a big, physical, 116 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: range press corner like that, man, it gives your defense 117 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: a lot of flexibility. Who's the best football player at 118 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: the combine? For me, I go with Aidan Hutchinson. You know, 119 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: he's my top player, so I would say he's the 120 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: best football player in this draft class. And with him, 121 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: you know, you see that, you see the dominance that 122 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: he had at Michigan. If I'm gonna take a guy 123 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: up there in the top five, Mike, I want to 124 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: see a guy takeover football games, and preferably the bigger 125 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: football games. And that's what this kid did. I know. 126 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 1: You know, some of his detractors have said, oh, you know, 127 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: they played that SEC team and he doesn't do anything 128 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: against Georgia. He go watch the tape. Okay, he gets 129 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: double teamed. They game plan completely around him, moving away 130 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: from him, double teaming him, holding the crud out of 131 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: him in that game. So he still made his presence 132 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: felt in that game as well. Who is the current 133 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,799 Speaker 1: NFL comparable to Aiden Hutchinson? You know, I've been asked 134 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: that one. To me, there's there's some guys where you 135 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: just need nail it, and you say, this is reminds 136 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: me so much of this individual player. Now, I have 137 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 1: everybody has told me, talking the guys around the league, 138 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: They've given me a list of basically every white defensive 139 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: end in NFL history and compared him, and I don't 140 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: like any of them. So I think I don't think 141 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: he's one of those guys where you just don't have 142 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: a perfect comp all right, in terms of guys who 143 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: can really help themselves at the combine, can make the 144 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: biggest jump, and we always see a guy who makes 145 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: a lot of money. Here multiple guys who are a 146 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: couple of those. Well, I'm gonna go Davante Wyatt from Georgia, 147 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: a defensive tackle who we saw really dominate early on 148 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. Didn't play in the game, but 149 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: I've been told he's gonna run like in the four eights. 150 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: So he's gonna really fault himself up as an interior 151 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: guy trying to find a disruptive presence that's gonna really 152 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: jack his stock way up. And then to me, you 153 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: kind of look at some of these receivers have a 154 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: chance to run well and help themselves. Christian Watson was 155 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: another one that was down there in North Dakota State. 156 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: It's gonna be you know, six to four over two 157 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: hundred pounds. He's gonna run in the fourth three. So 158 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: that's somebody that's just outside my top fifty. Was kind 159 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: of in that debate, you know, it was kind of 160 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: do I slide him in there? This might be the 161 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: last nudge. I need to get him in there. Last year, 162 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans took money Rice late in the third 163 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: round the linebacker for Georgia, and a lot of Titans 164 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: fans went what And then you saw him play and 165 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: you're like, oh my gosh. And as you dug into it, 166 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: those guys are rotating so much of them Georgia nobody 167 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: has any numbers. I mean, it just seems like if 168 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: you throw a rock and hit a Georgia defender, that's 169 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: a great draft pick. And there are a bunch of them. Yeah, 170 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker, where do you see what he does out here? 171 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: He's gonna be he's gonna be two hundred and seventy 172 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: five pounds, he's gonna have thirty five inch arms, and 173 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: he's gonna run like in the little four sixes. And 174 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: then I've talked to a buddy in the league and 175 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: he wasn't as high on him as I was, And 176 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 1: he said, well, he's got four sacks. He just didn't 177 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: have all this production. I think he had six sacks, 178 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: but he didn't have huge production numbers. I said, well, okay, 179 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: Well Jermaine Johnson was there the year before. He had 180 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 1: four sacks in this scheme, he goes to Florida State, 181 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: has twelve as acc defense player. The year goes goes 182 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: to the Singer Bowl. Nobody can block him because they 183 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: loosened up his alignment. He got to play and he 184 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: got to go. They don't ask those guys to do 185 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: that in Georgia, And like you said, it is like 186 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: watching a hockey shift with those guys rolling in and 187 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,599 Speaker 1: out of there. So the numbers don't bother me. What 188 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: do you see the testing for these Georgia that's almost 189 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: like Kentucky basketball. You average six points a game for 190 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: the Wildcats and then you're a lottery pick in your 191 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: average twenty five in the NBA. What was the old 192 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: joke about Michael Jordan? Right? The only person to hold 193 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: Michael under twenty points the game was Dean Smith Smith. 194 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: That's exactly right. All right, let's talk mocks for just 195 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: to say I love your mock drafts ay how long 196 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: does a mock draft take you? Okay, and be what 197 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: factors into it? So I always like to explain it 198 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: this way. I take more pride and passion in my 199 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: top fifty list. That's how I see players, That's how 200 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: I rank players. I tell everybody, I do my top 201 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 1: fifty list with my eyes. I do my mock draft 202 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,719 Speaker 1: with my ears. So that's mock draft is based off 203 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: of talking to people, then kind of looking at what 204 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: teams need, look at what they've historically done, but just 205 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: kind of what the buzz is around certain players with 206 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: certain teams. So for all the grief that you get 207 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: from mock draft, I promise you I don't take it 208 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: personally because it's just off of what I hear. It's 209 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: not my opinion of what I see. And it takes. 210 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: It takes way longer than it should for the product 211 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: that it is. You would not believe the time that 212 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: it takes. How much do you agonize? Oh, this is 213 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: the worst is when you do the you do the 214 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: mock draft, but then you're making changes. Now I'm to 215 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: go here, here, here, So then you get to the 216 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: end of it and you're like, I'm finally done, and 217 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: you go, oh my gosh, I forgot I took this 218 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: linebacker out of this spot, and then I forgot to 219 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: reinsert him, so now I gotta go back through and 220 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: you got to change the whole thing. Finally, Daniel Jeremiah, 221 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: what's your favorite part of combine to me, it's still 222 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: it's still watching guys run. You know, I don't know, 223 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 1: maybe it's simplistic, but when you watch these athletes get 224 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: out the field get a chance to show off. Its 225 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah with us good to talk to him. You 226 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 1: know what else I like to what else? I love 227 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: mock drafts. I talked some with Daniel Jeremiah about mock drafts, 228 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: but his partner on the Move the Sticks podcast is 229 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks. Bucky Brooks has just put out his second 230 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: mock draft. I love that you love mock drafts so 231 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: much because they I don't love them as much as you. 232 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: I love mock draft Yeah, almost as much as I 233 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: love Dairy Queen. Wow. Yeah, very close. That's a high. 234 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: So what was cool is Bucky has just put out 235 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: his second mock of this draft season, and I got 236 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: him right after it came out, and I had lots 237 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: of lots of little notes. You gave him notes on 238 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: his own mock draft. Well, I mean, I don't know. 239 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: I didn't give him notes from the standpoint of corrections, 240 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: but I had specific questions. Can we just roll the interview. 241 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: Let's roll the interview Bucky Brooks has his second mock 242 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: draft at NFL dot Com. I have read through it 243 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: twice and I have questions I've written down. Are you ready? 244 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: I'm ready? All right. So Evan Neil, the big tackle 245 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: out of Alabama, you have him going number one to Jacksonville. 246 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: Why Neil Neil is probably the most tendancly refined offensive tackle. 247 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: When you look at the Jaguars and what they want 248 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: to do, they want to build around the quarterback. So 249 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: if you're gonna build around the quarterback, you want someone 250 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: who is day one ready to go. Evan Neil, to me, 251 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: appears the most pro ready prospect at the offensive time 252 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: at number six to Carolina Pittsburgh quarterback Kenny Pickett. That's 253 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: earlier than anybody else. I mean, it is really early. 254 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: But if you're the Carolina Panthers and you're Matt Ruling, 255 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: you have this need to kind of get this program 256 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 1: jump started. The quarterback position has been a struggle for 257 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: them the last two years. Maybe you go and find 258 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: someone who kind of embides the qualities that you want 259 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: of the team. Kenny Pickett to me, kind of rough, 260 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 1: rugg it, tough, high iq, very experienced, gives them a 261 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: chance to put a rookie on the field right away 262 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 1: because he has a lot of game reps. First wide 263 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: receiver you have going is at number ten, Ohio States 264 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson. Why is he the number one wide out 265 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: off your board? Garrett Wilson, to me, is a true 266 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: number one. A true number one is a guy that 267 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: can run rouses. He can create big plays down the field. 268 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: Might not necessarily be the fastest, but he's terrific at 269 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: being the anchor of the passing game. Garrett Wilson exhibited 270 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: all those qualities doing the Simon Ohio State. I think 271 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a terrific number one receiving the league. 272 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: All right. So the first one that really got me 273 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: to go, whoa per due outside linebacker defensive and George 274 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: Carloftis goes number twelve? Why here, Well, he goes number 275 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: twelve because when you think about their new coach, Kevin 276 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 1: O'Connell comes from the LA Rams. The LA Rams won 277 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl not necessarily because their offense, because their 278 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: pass for us and the Super Bowl was able to 279 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: get it done. You're Kevin O'Connor, You've seen how that 280 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: help you win a ring. You absolutely want to make 281 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: sure you have a stable of pass for us. Was 282 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: in the fold and he looks like a Minnesota Viking. 283 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: He does. He looks like a Minnesota Viking. Okay, At 284 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: number twenty, Malik Willis the quarterback from Liberty to the 285 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers. Two part question, do you really think he 286 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 1: lasts to number twenty and if he's there, why is 287 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 1: he right for Pittsburgh. I think it's a chance to 288 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: last day because when you look at the teams that 289 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 1: have quarterback scenarios, Malik Willis is a guy that's probably 290 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: a little more of a developmental prospect. But I heard 291 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: those same words uttered when we talked about Josh Allen 292 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: and Lamar. When we think about the guys that have 293 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 1: really popped in the league at quarterback, it's been the 294 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: guys with outstanding tools, big time arm talent, maybe the 295 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: most impressive arm talent in the league. You think about 296 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: his athleticism with his legs. Sometimes with a young quarterback 297 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: you can get back with a little more of an 298 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: athletic player until they developed a ravine part of being 299 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: in the pocket. All right, So we go next to 300 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: number twenty five. You have Alabama wide out Jamison Williams 301 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: ACL and all going to Buffalo talented speed wide receiver. 302 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: But the ACL was on January eleventh. Yeah, so look, 303 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: this has to be a long term investment. If you're 304 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills, you're looking at this, how can we 305 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: continue to elevate Josh Allen. Well, one thing we can 306 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: do is ad playmakers around him. They already have wide 307 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: receivers in Stefan Dix, Cole Beasley gave David showed up 308 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: in the postseason. So this is almost like a luxury pick. 309 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: If you can get a true number one receiver, someone 310 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: that can take the top off the defense like Williams 311 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: and you don't have to rush them onto the field, 312 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: is a great opportunity. If he's sitting there at twenty five, 313 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: Titans fans are waiting for this. Where at number twenty six, 314 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks says, the Titans select Johan Dotson wide receiver. 315 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: Penn state. You know, when you think about the Titans, 316 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: you have uncertainty in terms of what are we gonna 317 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: do with Julio Jones. A. J. Brown is terrific, He's 318 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: a monster, but you need someone on the other side 319 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: who is an outstanding route runner. Who also has some 320 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: different traits. When you look at Dotson on tape, he 321 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: not only is a guy that can take the top 322 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: off the coverage, but he's a catching run specialist. When 323 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: we've seen Ryan Tannehill have his best success, it's when 324 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: he's had guys on the perimeter that could get those 325 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: jack yards yards after cash that can run with it. 326 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: And so Dawson is a nice fit. He's a great 327 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: round runner, and I believe he's the perfect number two 328 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: to aj Brown being a number one. All right, So 329 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: at number twenty nine the Miamie Dolphins, according to your mocks, 330 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: select Nakobe Dean, linebacker Georgia. If he's there at twenty nine, 331 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: that's incredible value for the Dolphins. It would be an 332 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: incredible value. And so here's the thing that could happen 333 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: in the combine. Nakobe Dean has to measure out, and 334 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: let's just say he's right at the six foot mark. 335 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: He's not necessarily the prototype when it comes to size. 336 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: That could lead to a little fall. But if you're 337 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins and you're Josh Boyer defense coordinator trying 338 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: to rebuild his defense, you need someone in the middle 339 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: who can be the traffic cop we have seen throughout 340 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: a sign. Dean is one of the most instinctive and 341 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: intelligent linebackers that you'll find. You want a Georgia defensive 342 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: player right now. I mean, that's Harry It all right. 343 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: Finally at number thirty two, speaking of incredible value, Travon 344 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: Walker defensive linemen, outside linebacker, whatever, he is, monster out 345 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: of Georgia to Detroit with their second number one pick. Well, 346 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: if you Detroit, you want to accumulate enough good players 347 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: as you can. If Walker is there, you have to 348 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: take him. His versatility, his explosiveness adds a layer to 349 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: this defense. They need to improve defensively. They play hard, 350 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: but now you want to get more hard playing players 351 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: that are talented. He's a very talented player. I love 352 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: talking about your mock draft with you. Thanks for doing it, 353 00:16:50,080 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: Thanks for having the FTP content us pretended by Farm 354 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: Bureau of Health Plans. Healthcare coverage from Farm Bureau Health 355 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 1: Plans is like an extra set of pads when you 356 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: need them the most. They've been protecting Tennessee's since nineteen 357 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: forty seven. That means three quarters of a century. You 358 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 1: know what else I like about the combinies. You get 359 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: to sit and talk with people who have great stories. 360 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: Not only are the players doing podiums and they're doing 361 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: the workouts, but here in the media room, we get 362 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: a chance to meet some people that you've always wanted 363 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 1: to meet, You've always wanted to talk with, And I 364 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 1: got a chance while you were taping for the Titans 365 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: Amy Coachmac podcast. Again, I got a chance today to 366 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: sit down with Jeff Howe from the Athletic. Oh. Really, well, 367 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: and here's what's interesting about Jeff Howe. He covered the 368 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: Patriots for twelve years before going to work for the Athletic. 369 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: And if you're a good guy on that beat, you're 370 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: a really good reporter, right absolutely, that's fascinating. So let's 371 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: roll it. Yeah, let's hit it. Jeff Howe from the 372 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: Athletic took a little time to talk to us, sharing 373 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: some Patriots stories and some of what's coming up next 374 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: in the NFL, as he has become one of the 375 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: gurus about the National Football League at the Athletics, Jeff, 376 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: you take over a role as a national guy for 377 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: the Athletic, but for twelve years you covered the New 378 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: England Patriots. Can you describe what it's like to cover 379 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: that beat and what you've seen over this period of time. 380 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it was so fun. It forced you to 381 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: find different ways to tell a lot of different types 382 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: of stories because everybody on the beat is so good, 383 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: they're so talented, they work so hard, So you just 384 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: had to find a way to be different. And especially 385 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: when I joined The Athletic from the Boston Herald in 386 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, and we have to give people a reason 387 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,719 Speaker 1: to subscribe, so I had to really help out the readers. 388 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: I had to differentiate my work to an even greater degree. 389 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, how can you report 390 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 1: on a story differently? How can you stay out in 391 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: front of a story if you get beat on a story, 392 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: how can you add the context that might not necessarily 393 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: be there just on the back end of that story. 394 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 1: So it was it was fun, it was rewarding, and 395 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: the Patriots are always national news for better and worse, 396 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: I guess, So it was just it was a fun 397 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: team to cover. Are the Belichick news conferences what they 398 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: looked like from afar, which is kind of tough to cover. Yeah, yeah, 399 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: day by day at which you've probably heard Belichick say too, 400 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: So Wednesdays were totally different than Fridays. Wednesdays were like 401 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: the entire city is in town. Sometimes some national media 402 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: were in town. That the questions were usually more general, 403 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: which meant the answers were more generic. Friday was the 404 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: best because that was the local crew. He would usually 405 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: show up to the podium. It was like an eight 406 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: eight thirty in the morning. He'd always say, oh, it's 407 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: the die hard crew. It was maybe I don't know, 408 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: ten to twenty reporters, and he would really like go 409 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: off on more detail. And those are the things you 410 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: never really saw on TV from a national perspective, just 411 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: because nationally people don't really care what Belichick has say about, 412 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: you know, punt specialists or anything like that'd be really 413 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: informative to the local readers, but you just don't. It 414 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: doesn't get that attention. After games, especially when they lost, 415 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: it was extremely difficult because you just you aren't going 416 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: to get an answer. You know, there were few and 417 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: far between for a lot of those years, but on 418 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: a game when there might have been a controversial decision 419 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: or an aggressive decision that just didn't go their way, 420 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: or or a conservative decision that backfired, you weren't going 421 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: to get those answers. Sometimes you'd get them on Monday, 422 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: but it usually didn't happen on Sunday. What is it 423 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: about Belichick that you know from having been around him 424 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: in that way that the public at large and the 425 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: rest of the country would not know. Oh, that's a 426 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: good question. You know, something that I always appreciated while 427 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: covering the Patriots. So like they get a rap for 428 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: being a difficult team to cover just because Belichick doesn't 429 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: give you a lot of answers, and they coach up 430 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: the players to be very conservative with their answers as well. 431 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: But that kind of has overshadowed the fact that Belichick 432 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: brings in quality human beings, being genuinely serious. Here. Every 433 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: single year I covered that team twelve years, the worst 434 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: locker room had maybe three bad guys on the fifty 435 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: three man roster, And that's not the case everywhere. And 436 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: I've heard horror stories from friends who have covered other 437 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: teams and who have they'll roll out the red carpet 438 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: for their media access and stuff like that, they'll be 439 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: more accommodating in certain areas, but then you find out, 440 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: like you know, after a loss, like they got players 441 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: who would like scream at reporters, and they just weren't 442 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: easy to deal with. That just that stuff didn't happen 443 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: in New England, and I really appreciated the fact that 444 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: it was. There were a lot of high character guys 445 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: in that locker room who were fun to deal with 446 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: and were informative, and they were willing to teach you 447 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: if you were willing to put in the time and 448 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: ask the right questions. So when you're watching Belichick, who's 449 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: arguably the greatest NFL coach of all time, and you're 450 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: watching Tom Brady, who's probably not even arguably the greatest 451 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 1: quarterback of all time, take off the meat you had 452 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 1: for a second. We all get in this because we're 453 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: sports fans. Do you realize what you're seeing, what you 454 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: are covering at that point? I truly I tried to 455 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: never take it for granted. And I remember one time, 456 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: it was about two thirteen or fourteen joint practices with 457 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: another team. I won't say who it is, but like, 458 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: you're watching Brady operate and run the offense, and he 459 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: had a day when he went like twenty five of 460 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: twenty five in practice. That's harder to do than people realize, Like, yeah, 461 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: it's practice, but it's competitive, and then you see like 462 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 1: the other team's quarterback takeover and it's you know, they're 463 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: struggling badly, and it's like, wow, you just you see 464 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: like the foundation. You know, it's a very very small thing, 465 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: but the foundation of why Brady was so great. It 466 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: was really cool to watch. And then when they were 467 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: the first game I ever covered. Now, I grew up 468 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: in Massachusetts, so I watched Brady's entire career before I 469 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 1: even got into the business. But the first game I 470 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: ever covered was the two thousand and nine regular He's 471 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: an opener against the Bills, and the Patriots were terrible 472 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: all night. They were losing by I want to say, 473 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: twelve or thirteen points. With about a minute and a 474 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: half to go, Brady throws a touchdown pass to ninety 475 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: five percent sure Ben Wattson to cut it to one score. 476 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: They kick off, Leotis McLevin inexplicably fumbles the kickoff and 477 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: then he throws another touchdown like twenty seconds later to 478 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: complete just a ridiculous comeback. And those were common over 479 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: Brady's twenty years, and there were some great comebacks. And 480 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: you know, the twenty thirteen regular season against the Saints 481 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: and some other teams, the Browns, and you just you 482 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: learn to appreciate that they were never out of the game, 483 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: and it was they could be terrible for fifty five minutes, 484 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: but as long as you had Brady. Like there was 485 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: one great quote a defensive player was telling me one 486 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: time after a game, after one of those wild comebacks. 487 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: He looked up into the stance at a home game 488 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: and there are people that go into the exits with 489 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: a few minutes left, and he's like, why are you leaving? 490 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: We have Tom Brady, And it was just it was 491 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 1: wild because there were so many times when he could 492 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: just single handedly get this team out of whether it 493 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: was twenty eight to three or something, you know, not 494 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: as dramatic. They won a lot of games that they 495 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: had no business winning. So you're from Massachusetts, you went 496 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: to you mass you covered the Patriots. Now you're covering 497 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: the league on a national scale. Having seen what you've seen, 498 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: is it kind of hard to get used to looking 499 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: at other things from a lens of oh, this is 500 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: one of thirty two. This is another of thirty two. 501 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: After you've seen what has been the best twenty year run, 502 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 1: I guess since the Dallas Cowboys under landry and they 503 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: didn't win that many championships. You know, two things stick 504 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: out about that question, and one is, first of all, 505 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: I love it. I love seeing how other teams operate. 506 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: I love learning about how other teams operate, just and 507 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: in a lot of different capacities, front office, coaching, players, 508 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: stuff like that. Just everybody's a little bit different, and 509 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: I've enjoyed that part of the job, that adjustment to 510 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: the job. It's been really cool. The second part is 511 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: it became this has really clicked the last couple of months. 512 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: It was almost like cliche to hear. You know, it's 513 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: winning starts at the top, meeting with ownership, and that 514 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: is definitely something that you can take for granted as 515 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: an outsider, because you realize there are some sloppy ownership 516 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: groups in this league and there's a reason why there's 517 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: a turnover so frequently in some of these organizations. And 518 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: that turnover leads to you know, if you fire a 519 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: GM and then a year later you fire your coach 520 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: and then or vice versa. Now all of a sudden, 521 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: you've got a couple of people in the front officer 522 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: and leadership positions that aren't necessarily aligned with their beliefs, 523 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: or one is inheriting a roster that the other one 524 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 1: built even though it's not the right system for them, 525 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: And it's just the lack of consistency. And again that 526 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 1: starts at the top. So I think that's been a 527 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: real eye opener, because you know, everybody always says how 528 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: great of an owner Robert Kraft wasn't I saw it firsthand, 529 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,719 Speaker 1: And how great of a coach Bill Belichick is still 530 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: and Brady and all the truly starting at the top. 531 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: But then you realize when it doesn't start at the top, 532 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 1: exactly why those teams are just stuck in neutral. Well, 533 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: it's a great point because the owners not selling, so 534 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: you don't change owners. The coach is not getting fired. 535 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: The coach is the GM, so he's not getting fired either, 536 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: and you're not having to go through a quarterback change 537 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: for twenty years, and you drafted the quarterback in the 538 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: sixth round to begin with. And so his top salaries 539 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 1: only about five years out of his career were at 540 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: the very top of the league because he was always 541 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: a little behind the curve. I mean, it was perfect 542 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 1: symmetry for the New England Patriots yeah, and that jumping 543 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: off on that point, I just I recently wrote something 544 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: about the future of quarterback contracts and how so many 545 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 1: are taking up a bigger portion of the cap and 546 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: when you have that guy, you have to pay him, 547 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: no question about it. But the Super Bowl winners, including 548 00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: Brady's last three, he took up about eleven to thirteen 549 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: percent of the salary cap, and it was it was 550 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: wild how as I took a deeper dive into these numbers, 551 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: when you go fifteen percent plus of the salary cap, 552 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: those guys were very rarely unwinning teams. So Brady taking 553 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: less to help balance out the rest of the roster, 554 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: you know, that gives you one extra, you know, role 555 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: player or you know a really good player who could 556 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,719 Speaker 1: make a big play in a playoff game, like you know, 557 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: an extra Danny Amondola or what have you. The list 558 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: goes on and on and on. But yeah, that eleven 559 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: to thirteen percent mark has been every Super Bowl winner 560 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: I think since two thousand and eleven, and that's when 561 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: the salary structure changed in the league. If it's ironic 562 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 1: that Mike Vrabel just walked by as we're having this conversation, 563 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel is the most successful former Patriot out of 564 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: the tree to go coach somewhere else. From what you 565 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: knew of him, I know you didn't cover him there, 566 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: but from what you knew of him as a player, 567 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: and from what the stories that you hear things like that, 568 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: why do you think the Patriot way which he's carried 569 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: in some way has resonated in Tennessee. Well, the first 570 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: thing that sticks out every time I think about his 571 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: time as a player here is Belichick would say it. 572 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: And his teammates, and there were a lot of damn 573 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: good teammates that he had always said he was the 574 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: smartest guy with the playbook on the roster, like an 575 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: absolute coach in terms of his knowledge of the defensive playbook, 576 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: which was expansive in New England's And you know, since 577 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: you know, guys like Dante Hittower and Devin mccordy of 578 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: sort of like gotten themselves into that conversation like the Vrabel, 579 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 1: you know, Drod Mayo, guys who were that smart in 580 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: terms of mastering the playbook. But bringing the Patriot influence 581 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: to Tennessee. I actually I came down to Nashville when 582 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: I was still covering the Patriots back in twenty eighteen 583 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: when they signed Malcolm Butler and it was Logan Ryan 584 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: on the team, then I think so yeah. And I mean, 585 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: obviously John Robinson has some Patriots influence. It's about, you know, 586 00:28:54,920 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: just making sure that you have a vision of the 587 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,239 Speaker 1: role of the what you want that player to take on. 588 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: And I think Sean McDermott and Brandon Bean have done 589 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: a good job with that in Buffalo too. But you 590 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: look at a guy who was a cast off or 591 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: maybe not properly used or whatever from a previous organization, 592 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: But you say, hey, this guy, you know, he might 593 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: be a nickel corner, he might be a sub rusher, 594 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: he might be an early down run stopper, whatever. But 595 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: if you have a role in minds and that player 596 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: wants to really master that role. I mean Vrabel with 597 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: the Steelers, he was, you know, seldomly used, and then 598 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: Belichick and Vrabel were tremendous together. He became a star 599 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: and became a great tight end too. In the Super Bowls. 600 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: He'll tell you that it's it's it's interesting, Jeff. That's 601 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: the only part of his football career he will discuss. 602 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: He will not discuss himself as a defensive player, because 603 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: he's like that was a long time ago, it doesn't 604 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: have anything to do with now. But if you bring 605 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,719 Speaker 1: up him catching touchdown passes, he will talk about that, 606 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: which is so Varyabele. Which I think ties in is 607 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,959 Speaker 1: he he's taken the Billichick influence and what he learned, 608 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: but also John Cooper and also Bill Cower, and also 609 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: his dad was a coach. And yet he's not trying 610 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: to be Bill Belichick. You know what I'm saying. Oh yeah, 611 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: he is absolutely himself and that's why you have to 612 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: appreciate about that. You know, some guys have Josh McDaniels 613 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: when he went to Denver in two thousand and nine, 614 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: he tried to do too much. He tried to be 615 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: like Belichick, and he has since admitted that you have 616 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: to be yourself. You have to be true to your 617 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: personality because if you're not, or you're trying to be 618 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: somebody you're not. Eventually players are going to catch on 619 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: to that stuff and they're going to tune out. He 620 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: hasn't done that. He's been who Mike Vrabel has always been. 621 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: And you see the success in the field. I mean, 622 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: look at the identity of that team. It's they got 623 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: fifty three Mike Vrabels out there every single Sunday. I 624 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: mean it's clear from TV. It's funny too, because you 625 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: talk about Josh McDaniels and I want to ask about 626 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: him because I had a good friend who was with 627 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: the Broncos at the time he was there. Everybody in 628 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: the organization was miserable. He had gotten involved in everything 629 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: in the organization and people were ready to quit left 630 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: and right. He was let go from what I've been told, 631 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: as much because of the non football as the football, 632 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: because they just were afraid he was destroying the organization. 633 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: He has said and apologized to a lot of people 634 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: that I've learned a lot. I'm ready to go do 635 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: it now as he goes to the Raiders. Do you 636 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: believe it? Yes? I do. And he has spent a 637 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: lot of time reflecting over the years trying to figure 638 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: out what went wrong, what he did wrong, and he's 639 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: been accountable for that, and I think there's a lot 640 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: to be said for guys, whether it's a coach or 641 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: a player or whatever, any role, to be accountable for 642 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: your mistakes. You know, he didn't blame everybody else. He 643 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: knew some of the things that he did wrong. And 644 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: something else that I've since learned is Belichick after the 645 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: season will put his assistance through like a coaching clinic, 646 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: and he'll try to teach them, Hey, these are the 647 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: things that are going to come across your desk that 648 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: you never in a million years would have prepared for 649 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: because you were just oblivious to the fact. Because the 650 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: head coach deflects a lot of that stuff from you know, 651 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: filtering down. So I think a lot of that has 652 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: taken place, and you know, just looking at what McDaniels 653 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,959 Speaker 1: has did with mac Jones last year, I mean, you know, 654 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: this guy can coach. He's an offensive guru. I think 655 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: he's going to do some good things with Derek Carr 656 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: and I think, you know, being a you know we're 657 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: talking about being aligned. Being aligned with Dave Ziegler is 658 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: going to be really important too, because they know exactly 659 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: Ziegler knows the types of players McDaniels wants, and that's 660 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: going to be really important because the other thing is, 661 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: you know, you don't have a GM who is hiring 662 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: a coach and the GM's trying to save his job 663 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: and the coach is trying to angle for power there. 664 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: You know that stuff happens like that's it's it's common. 665 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: These guys are gonna be aligned and they know that 666 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: they're going to have several years to be able to 667 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: go out and prove it. Let's end with this for you, 668 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: Jeff hallis you cover this for the athletics as you 669 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: cover the whole league. What's the story you're most interested 670 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: in as we move deeper into March? The quarterbacks? You know, 671 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: I won't try to overthink it too much. It's really 672 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: fascinating and I'm I think I don't know yet, but 673 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: I think Aaron Rodgers is probably going to choose to 674 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: stay with the Packers, and then all right, everybody is 675 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: kind of calling and inquiring or hey, you know what 676 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: if if he does decide that he wants out, what's 677 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: it going to cost? Or at least give us a 678 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: call back to you know, keep us in the loop, 679 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: that sort of stuff, because he's Plan A for everybody, 680 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: and nobody wants to go out and trade for Plan 681 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: B or Plan C before they know if Plan as 682 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: even on the table or off the table. So once 683 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: Rogers figures it out, then you've got the Deshaun Watson situation, 684 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: and from what I understand, teams still are reluctant, understandably 685 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: so to give up the amount of assets and resources 686 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: to trade for Watson while his legal situation is still 687 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: unresolved and there's no timetable on that. So that's an 688 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,719 Speaker 1: interesting one. You got Russell Wilson, the Seahawks have no 689 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: intentions whatsoever of trading him right now. Teams are going 690 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: to call, but the Seahawks don't want to do it 691 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: unless all of a sudden Russell Wilson demands a new 692 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: contract or something like that, and that doesn't seem like 693 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: that's going to happen. So we put a lot of 694 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: attention on these quarterbacks. And then you know, a different 695 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: type of situation. Lamar Jackson still unresolved in terms of 696 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: his contract extension, and I know the Ravens are trying 697 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: there too. So there's there's a lot of interesting potential 698 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: movement going on with the quarterbacks. I say movement. Ultimately, 699 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: maybe nobody moves this offseason, but it doesn't mean the 700 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: teams are going to stop trying because another common theme 701 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: I've noticed, nobody's enamored with this quarterback class. This is 702 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: nowhere near the same stratosphere as twenty twenty one with 703 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,399 Speaker 1: those five guys and went in the first round. These 704 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: are all developmental prospects, nobody you'd feel really comfortable putting 705 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: in and starting in week one of the twenty two season. 706 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: So that's put a little more emphasis on the aggressiveness 707 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: to try to get one of these veterans who may 708 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 1: or may not be available. All right, So we plucked 709 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: this thing this edition of the OTP. If you read 710 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: the little line at the bottom, we said, we've got 711 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: a team that you absolutely have to know about if 712 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: you followed the Titans in the draft, because this is 713 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: one of the three or four or five teams that's 714 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 1: going to really determine what's going to happen in this draft. Yes, 715 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: and that's the Jets. Yes. Now, you said to me, 716 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: why are we talking to the Jets? Why are we 717 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: talking to Ethan Greenberg from the Jets? Don't play the 718 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: Jets this year? Right? They only won four games last year? Yes, 719 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: why are we talking to him? Well, when you look 720 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: at the picks that they have in the draft, and 721 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 1: it really is remarkable. They have five very high picks, 722 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: including number four and number ten and then number thirty five, 723 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 1: and number thirty eight, so they are going to determine 724 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: the path for a lot of rounds one and two. 725 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: That's why we talk to the Jets to see exactly 726 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: what they're thinking right now, because if you are one 727 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,839 Speaker 1: of the OT people, these are things we want you 728 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: to know. So quite frankly, you can top your friends. Guys. 729 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: This is why we keep my Keith around. He's always 730 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: playing the long game, playing the long game. I couldn't 731 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 1: see it right in front of me. Why are we 732 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,280 Speaker 1: talking to these people? He explained it. We were able 733 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: to talk to Ethan. It was a great conversation, and 734 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 1: you too will understand why we need to talk to 735 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,800 Speaker 1: the day. And it was so good with Ethan Greenberg 736 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,720 Speaker 1: from the New York Jets that Amy Wells even stayed 737 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: to be a part of it. So here it is 738 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: on the OT all right, Ethan. A lot of people 739 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,280 Speaker 1: think this draft is going to turn on the Jets 740 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: based on the fact that you have pick four, you 741 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 1: have picked ten from Seattle, you have picked thirty five, 742 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,399 Speaker 1: you have picked thirty eight, and you have picked sixty nine. 743 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: So you control a lot of the first two rounds, 744 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,720 Speaker 1: particularly the top half or the first thirty five picks, 745 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: and then right at the start of the third round, 746 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: you're in an interesting place. You don't need a quarterback, 747 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: so you can trade around. You could do all sorts 748 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: of things. What do you think the Jets mindset is 749 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 1: as this draft process begins. I think I'm gonna start 750 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: broad and then we'll get more narrow. I think, generally speaking, 751 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: you got to start in the trenches both ways. Because 752 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: Joe Douglas, former offensive lineman, He's had two drafts, both 753 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: have resulted in an offensive lineman in the first round. 754 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 1: McKay becked in two twenty Elijah Vera Tucker two twenty one. 755 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,760 Speaker 1: Based on the way the mock draft circuit is rolling 756 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,439 Speaker 1: out and the way people talk about this class, an 757 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,839 Speaker 1: offensive lineman really could be in play at number four, 758 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: whether that is a guy like Evan Neil out of Alabama, 759 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: Ikey Aquanu out of NC State, And I think the 760 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 1: same could be the case for ten. And the reason 761 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: why I'm saying in the trenches is because if you 762 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: look at the defensive line, Robert Sala obviously loves his 763 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,879 Speaker 1: defensive lineman. If you look at what San Francisco had 764 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: when he was there, it was all predicated up front, 765 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,359 Speaker 1: and the Jets had a big loss last year when 766 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 1: they lost Carl Lawson in Green Bay joint practices, And 767 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: I think what Robert Sala wants to do is try 768 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: to beef up that D line and they have right, 769 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: Like we know Quinnon Williams is a good player. Sheldon 770 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: Rankins is a good player who was able to stay healthy. 771 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: John Franklin Myers came on last year. He got a 772 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 1: multi year extension. So if you're looking at guys like 773 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: Cavon Thibadeau, obviously, Aidan Hutchinson is probably the one guy 774 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: that when you look around, he probably not in play 775 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 1: at four just because he won't be there. Then even 776 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: at ten, Jermaine Johnson really came on in mobile, is 777 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: he in play? So I'm really looking at those two 778 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: positions in particular, and really I think a lot of 779 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,800 Speaker 1: that will be shaped after this week, like who's ranked 780 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: ahead of who? Like one guy that was not in Mobile, 781 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,720 Speaker 1: who a lot of people talk about is Travon Walker, 782 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: the Georgia defensive lineman, who's just a mammoth athlete, And 783 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 1: how's he going to test? How will that project him? 784 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: I know Daniel Jeremiah and Dane Brugler. Both really like him, 785 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: and I feel like what the Jets want to do 786 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: was get after the quarterback on defense, and what they 787 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,320 Speaker 1: want to do on offense is they want to control 788 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: the tempo and they want to run the ball. So 789 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,959 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the trenches, but in the same breath, y'all, 790 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,800 Speaker 1: so have to factor in how can you help Zach Wilson. 791 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 1: So if you're looking at a wide receiver, that's a 792 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 1: popular pick at number ten, and for me, I understand it, 793 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: of course, because you want to do everything in your 794 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: power to help your number two overall pick going into 795 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 1: a second year. So I feel like there's a lot 796 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 1: of different ways they could go, but it all somehow 797 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,240 Speaker 1: affects the quarterback, whether that's helping him or getting after 798 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: him on the front end. So that's kind of where 799 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: I see this Jets draft. That leads me to my question, 800 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: which was going to be about skill positions and maybe 801 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,959 Speaker 1: some positions of need within that offense that really can 802 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: help your quarterback who's going into his just his second year. Yeah, 803 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 1: I think the Jets wide receiver room fully healthy. At 804 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: the beginning of the twenty twenty one season, looked good 805 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 1: on paper, top to bottom. Corey Davis, as you're very familiar, 806 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 1: his season was ended with a core muscle surgery. But 807 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: Robert Salad did say the other day that he will 808 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,840 Speaker 1: be working out with Zach Wilson in the off season 809 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 1: in Florida. I think it was Florida, you know, some 810 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: warm weather stay, yeah, anywhere, but New Jersey this time. 811 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: So I think the skill position, if we start at receiver, 812 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: I think that there's gonna be some new bodies, right. 813 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,839 Speaker 1: Elijah Moore is one of those guys who I think 814 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: is prime for a breakout year, just because of his 815 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 1: chemistry with Zach Wilson, what he can do with the 816 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,320 Speaker 1: ball in his hands, how he can separate from defensive backs. 817 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: And then you factoring Corey Davis, well, after that, you're 818 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: looking at a lot of free agents. Jamison Crowder has 819 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,359 Speaker 1: led the Jets and receptions each of the last three 820 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: seasons that he's been a Jet. He has an expiring contract, 821 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: so he's gonna be free agent. Brackson Barrios came on 822 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: strong special teams and wide receiver. He's a guy free agent. 823 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 1: Keeling Cole free agent. So there's a lot of guys 824 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: that I think the Jets I don't know who will 825 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 1: come back of that group, but let's say one of 826 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,800 Speaker 1: them or none of them come back, you're gonna need bodies. 827 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,879 Speaker 1: And whether that's pick ten, whether that's picked thirty five 828 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,799 Speaker 1: or thirty eight. I think that the receiver class when 829 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 1: you read about the group, is pretty good that you 830 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 1: don't maybe need the luxury pick at ten. And I 831 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 1: don't think there's a receiver right now that like Jamar Chase, 832 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,760 Speaker 1: where like we need him at number four overall or whatever. 833 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 1: So I look at ten, and then I look at 834 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: the early second round, but also I think in one 835 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,840 Speaker 1: position that probably needs a little bit of beef is 836 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: tight end. Ryan Griffin's under contract, Tyler Croft is not, 837 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,240 Speaker 1: but the Jets probably I was talking to Jeremy Fowler 838 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 1: in Mobile and he was like, I would expect the 839 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: Jets to go after a tight end. Whether that's somebody 840 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,799 Speaker 1: like Dalton Schultz in free agency that's who he brought up, 841 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 1: or whether that's somebody in the draft like Trey McBride, 842 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: Jeremy Rucker, Isaiah likely like those are the guys at 843 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 1: McBride and Rucker were both on the Jets team, the 844 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: national team. Jake Ferguson as well, So I wouldn't surprise 845 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 1: me at all. Maybe if it was a little bit 846 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,400 Speaker 1: of a double dip where maybe the Jets sign a 847 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: mid tier free agent and then also draft a guy. 848 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 1: That The thing is, when you look at what the 849 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 1: Jets have in free agency in terms of money, you 850 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 1: look at it the like, oh, they have a lot 851 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 1: of cap space. Well, one thing you have to factor 852 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: in is because of the amount of picks that you 853 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 1: laid out, especially two in the top ten, it's not 854 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,919 Speaker 1: as much as as it seems on the surface because 855 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 1: you got to pay the fourth and tenth overall picks 856 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 1: if they stay there. So that's kind of the landscape 857 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 1: at wide receiver and tight end. And then in terms 858 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 1: of running back, the Jets love Michael Carter. They have 859 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: a good rotation. They like the running back by committee. 860 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,320 Speaker 1: Michael Carter's probably one a. They probably would look for 861 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 1: a one beat Tevin Coleman was hurt in and out 862 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 1: of the lineup last year. He's probably that guy. But 863 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: I think that when you look at what the Jets 864 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,799 Speaker 1: are gonna do, they probably add a running back, but 865 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 1: I don't think it would be anywhere in terms of 866 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,640 Speaker 1: the top of their their draft capital. If you look 867 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,239 Speaker 1: at what they did Michael p Ryan fourth round pick, 868 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,840 Speaker 1: Michael Carter fourth round pick, I would expect maybe a 869 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,840 Speaker 1: Day three pick, or maybe they like a guy in 870 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,399 Speaker 1: free agency and they want to snag him. But that's 871 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 1: what I think is the landscape of the Jets skill positions. 872 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 1: But I think it'll all come back to how much 873 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,840 Speaker 1: can you help Zach Wilson, which is what we started with. 874 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,400 Speaker 1: You said if they stay there, which is interesting to 875 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,239 Speaker 1: me because looking at these numbers, the picks that the 876 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 1: Jets have, that's a lot of capital to play with, 877 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 1: and that's a lot of bargaining chips to kind of 878 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,799 Speaker 1: move around. What's the Jets kind of philosophy when it 879 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,480 Speaker 1: comes to making those trades and getting really active in 880 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,760 Speaker 1: that moving up and down within the draft. It's funny 881 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 1: because if you would have asked me this question last year, 882 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 1: I would have said, well, Joe Douglas's tendency in the 883 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,280 Speaker 1: one draft we saw was to trade back. The Jets 884 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,719 Speaker 1: didn't trade back from eleven when they had the pick 885 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,719 Speaker 1: and where they picked McKay Beckton in twenty, but than 886 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 1: in the second round they traded back. They did so 887 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,040 Speaker 1: in Day three as well. But then last year we 888 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 1: saw the opposite. The Jets had the twenty third overall selection. 889 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 1: They said, you know what we need, We need Elijah 890 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 1: Barra Tucker. We liked this guy a lot. We're gonna 891 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 1: go up and we're gonna get them. So they had 892 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,880 Speaker 1: two third round picks, they traded them. They move up 893 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 1: nine spots twenty three to fourteen, and then he was 894 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 1: I think second on the team and snaps taken, he 895 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,839 Speaker 1: might have been first actually, So he had a great 896 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,319 Speaker 1: year for the Jets and he plug and play day 897 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,239 Speaker 1: one starter. So the philosophy I think, I think Joe 898 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,799 Speaker 1: Douglas's philosophy, you just kind of let the draft come 899 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,040 Speaker 1: to you, and when there's an opportunity, you pound. You 900 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 1: don't just do something because you feel like you need 901 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 1: to do it. So let's say hypothetically Jets are there 902 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,440 Speaker 1: at ted I saw a couple of mock drafts that 903 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,759 Speaker 1: have the Steelers trading up from twenty to ten to 904 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,759 Speaker 1: take Malik Willis the quarterback. Let's say the Steelers call 905 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,319 Speaker 1: and they're like, you know, we want you know, we 906 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,279 Speaker 1: want to do this, and like, you know what, we 907 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 1: don't want we don't really like that deal, you know, 908 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,880 Speaker 1: see you later, right, Like, No, we're gonna stay here, 909 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,840 Speaker 1: We're gonna take our guy. If they have a deal 910 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,400 Speaker 1: on the table and they're like, oh, we like this 911 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 1: deal and we feel like we can get our guy 912 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 1: at twenty or somebody else that we like at twenty, 913 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,400 Speaker 1: they're gonna do it. Bottom line is Joe Douglas has 914 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 1: shown he will play yes. Yeah. That's a good way 915 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,840 Speaker 1: to summarize it, because some gems don't play yeah, some 916 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 1: pms do play. He will play. He'll pick up the phone. Well, 917 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:54,840 Speaker 1: I assume he'll pick up the phone and be like, 918 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,279 Speaker 1: you know what, yeah, what, what what do you have to offer? 919 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 1: And if you don't like it, you don't like it. 920 00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,279 Speaker 1: If you do, you do. I mean, it's a even 921 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 1: no stone unturned kind of philosophy. But I think Joe 922 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,080 Speaker 1: Douglas has shown that he will go up or he 923 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 1: will go back. So I think it's hard to get 924 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 1: a read on it. But if they like a guy, 925 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 1: they won't be afraid to go up and get them. 926 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,880 Speaker 1: A lot of this is obviously affected by free agency. 927 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,720 Speaker 1: It's just like the mocks right now look very different 928 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,360 Speaker 1: six weeks from now, based on who people sign in 929 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,440 Speaker 1: free agency. How much do you expect the Jets to 930 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,400 Speaker 1: be involved in free agency starting in two weeks. I 931 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,880 Speaker 1: think that's the million dollar question because of what I 932 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,720 Speaker 1: alluded to earlier. They when you look at the numbers, 933 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 1: they have money, but how much of that needs to 934 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 1: be allotted to draft picks. I think that's where it 935 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: kind of gets a little a little bit of a 936 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,600 Speaker 1: gray area because the Jets need to add players. Of course, 937 00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,120 Speaker 1: right they have a decent amount of players under contract, 938 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:52,080 Speaker 1: but we've seen two also approaches. Last year, the Jets 939 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,000 Speaker 1: signed Corey Davis and Karl Lawson, which you could consider 940 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,360 Speaker 1: big ticket or big fish in the free agent market. 941 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,520 Speaker 1: The year before, the Jets didn't really do that. They 942 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,000 Speaker 1: added George Fant, who was a high upside player paid 943 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,120 Speaker 1: off last year for him. He started at left tackle 944 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,880 Speaker 1: after McKay Beckton got hurt after starting at right tackle 945 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,200 Speaker 1: in his first year with the Jets. So I wouldn't 946 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 1: surprise me either way. But I don't think there's gonna 947 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,239 Speaker 1: be It's not just gonna be like you know, a 948 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,279 Speaker 1: blank check and you're going and you're going to the 949 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,680 Speaker 1: store and you're like, we want this. We want that, Like, 950 00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,840 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be very calculated. The Jets, they usually, 951 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,400 Speaker 1: in my experience talking to the guys who are in 952 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,120 Speaker 1: the room, they make a list. Of course every team 953 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,640 Speaker 1: does this, and they're like, this is our price. And 954 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,839 Speaker 1: then if this is the price, maybe there's a little 955 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 1: bit of wiggle room, but they're not going to overpay 956 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,279 Speaker 1: just to get somebody. They really feel like they have 957 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,960 Speaker 1: a system in place, they stick to it, they believe 958 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,680 Speaker 1: in it, and so I would say that if you 959 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,560 Speaker 1: had to create it like high players, mid players, or 960 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,200 Speaker 1: low players, my money would be on the mid players, 961 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,840 Speaker 1: where maybe you could get a big ticket free agent, 962 00:46:54,920 --> 00:47:00,000 Speaker 1: maybe just a number of mid tier ticket free agents. 963 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,560 Speaker 1: So I could see a little bit of both, but 964 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,319 Speaker 1: I would say medium. Like you know, if this were 965 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,560 Speaker 1: a spice level like a Buffalo Wing, it wouldn't be spicy, 966 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,600 Speaker 1: but it wouldn't be mild. I would say it's somewhere 967 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,800 Speaker 1: in between, all right. I like that the Buffalo wing analogy. 968 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,640 Speaker 1: Buffalo wing analogy. Well, we had wings last night, so 969 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:26,520 Speaker 1: I think it's fresh on my mind. It See that 970 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:31,920 Speaker 1: was good. I'm telling you long game. Ethan Greenberg is 971 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,839 Speaker 1: a good guy, and the Jet you know, there are 972 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,680 Speaker 1: certain teams that are gonna turn this thing. The Giants 973 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 1: are another team because they have four, they have five 974 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:45,200 Speaker 1: and seven, right, and then the Eagles have fifteen, sixteen, 975 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,360 Speaker 1: and nineteen. Gonna be really interesting to see how the 976 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,600 Speaker 1: thing sort of shakes out. You've got the Lions at 977 00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,920 Speaker 1: two and then at thirty two. Um, those are teams 978 00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,600 Speaker 1: that you have to watch. When you're a team like 979 00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,440 Speaker 1: the Titans and you have picked twenty six and then 980 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,600 Speaker 1: you don't have a pick until ninety, you're watching in 981 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,640 Speaker 1: front of you and behind you, because those may be 982 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,600 Speaker 1: one of the teams that the Titans may be able 983 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,239 Speaker 1: to make a deal with. Yep. The teams that have 984 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,239 Speaker 1: a lot of capital, right are the teams that are 985 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,640 Speaker 1: going to be able to do some of that wheeling 986 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,479 Speaker 1: and dealing whether you're moving up or moving back. Well, 987 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,640 Speaker 1: and let's say, and he told us, he said, Joe 988 00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,919 Speaker 1: Douglas he's willing to play. So if Joe Douglas likes 989 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:32,400 Speaker 1: somebody it's at twenty six and calls John Robinson and 990 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:37,520 Speaker 1: says we'll give you thirty five and then another three 991 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,439 Speaker 1: and a five or something to move up, then John 992 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,239 Speaker 1: Robinson might very well say yes, it's very interesting. Those 993 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,360 Speaker 1: are the types of things that are the nuunch of 994 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,560 Speaker 1: the draft that make all of this so exciting, the 995 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,440 Speaker 1: mind games, if you will, yes, all right, strategy So 996 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:57,839 Speaker 1: tomorrow the OTP cues OTP ques. If you haven't gotten 997 00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,879 Speaker 1: him in yet, get him in under the way. We're 998 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:03,360 Speaker 1: really slow. Well, I mean it's I get it. I 999 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:08,240 Speaker 1: guess it's the off seasonlow. Yeah, it's March. The early 1000 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,360 Speaker 1: March is a weird time. You want to be spring. 1001 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,320 Speaker 1: It still kind of feels wintry, like it's meteorological spring. Yeah, 1002 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,960 Speaker 1: but that's not the same as calendar spring. That is 1003 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,799 Speaker 1: the same as the equinox. Sure. Yeah, A lots of 1004 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,120 Speaker 1: facts on this edition of the OTP. Yeah, Mike, has 1005 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,760 Speaker 1: you been reading a lot's been drinking a lot of caffeine? 1006 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,440 Speaker 1: Oh all right, I'm ready to go back to Nashville. 1007 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,879 Speaker 1: I'm ready for caffeine. All right, Well, Fraby Wells, who's 1008 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,160 Speaker 1: ready for caffeine? I'm Mike Keith. Thanking all of theot 1009 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,520 Speaker 1: people for listening to the Welcome to the Big Show 1010 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:49,000 Speaker 1: where the Man's call everybody knows it's our house. Greenness