1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: The most valuable commandity I know of is information shot 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: on five dollars. This is a ratal cowboy tackle. Shiite. 3 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: You're saying that humans need fantasy to make life bearable. 4 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: Humans need fantasy to be human. My goodness, that's mis. 5 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: Spron the best, relentless, refusing to give up. 6 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 3: All right, hit that horn, very bless, what's. 7 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: A very abiding. 8 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast from the Action Network. 9 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: I'm your host, Chris Raybaund from Action Network and Fantasy Abs, 10 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: and this is our wide receiver one episode here to 11 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 2: break it down with me. I'm joined by one of 12 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: the most accurate Fantasy rankers and projectors in the game, 13 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: the odds maker Sean Kerner. 14 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: Sean, what's going on. I'm pumped. 15 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 3: We actually this week at she have Live Football, yes, 16 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 3: saying it's the Hall of Fame game. But as we 17 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 3: talked about on our other pod, I'm a preseason to 18 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 3: gent I'm one of the biggest preseasons to GEN. So 19 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 3: I'm just excited to start seeing some of these guys 20 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,199 Speaker 3: that we've been watching training campus step on the field 21 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: and you know, pick some plays on it and you know, 22 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 3: start to overreact to the things. So I'm pumped for 23 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 3: preseason starting sea. How about you? 24 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, finally get to see some movement in 25 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: our in our projections. I feel like you get to 26 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 2: this point and it's like a dead dead period and 27 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: you don't really get to change much, and then injuries 28 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: start pouring in and you get starting to hear more 29 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: buzz and stuff. 30 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: So definitely excited. 31 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 2: Uh won't affect these top twelve wide receivers too much, 32 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 2: but we'll have a couple more wide receiver episodes after 33 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 2: this where we'll really dive into some of the guys 34 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: you can find further down the board. But I want 35 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: to start it off by just talking through you know, 36 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: the wide receiver one tier and see where you're at 37 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: and kind of help people now navigate that. So it 38 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: started off with Ceedee Lamb going to his age twenty 39 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: five season. He's improved every year seventy four, nine, thirty five, 40 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: and five is a rookie, seventy nine, eleven oh two 41 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: and six in year two, one oh seven, thirteen, fifty 42 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 2: nine and nine a couple of years ago, and then 43 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 2: last year one hundred and thirty five catches one thousand 44 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: and seven, one hundred and forty nine yards twelve touchdowns. 45 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: So I mean the first thing, I mean, see he 46 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 2: went keep improving because I mean, if he does again, 47 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 2: he will have like one hundred and fifty catches for 48 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: two thousand yards and twenty touchdowns. 49 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe he's closer to his ceiling now, but I 50 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 3: mean this is kind of the career arc we expected 51 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 3: when the Cowboys took him in twenty twenty. They already 52 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 3: had two, I would say, at the time, really good 53 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 3: wide receivers and Amari Cooper and Michael Gallup. Cooper's obviously 54 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 3: still very good and Michael Gallops retired. But you know, Ceedee, 55 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,839 Speaker 3: Lamb took him a few years to truly break out 56 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 3: because he had to move up the target pecking order. 57 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 3: But right now he is, you know, arguably the best 58 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 3: receiver in the league in real life and in fantasy. 59 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: You know, finished. 60 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 3: Overall wide receiver one last year, but tyryk Kill did 61 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 3: barely edge him out in terms of points per game. 62 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 3: But I think Lamb Lamb should be the first receiver 63 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 3: off the board, the second player off the board once 64 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey's taken. In most formats, like you mentioned, Lamb's 65 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 3: only entering his age twenty five seasons, so he's really 66 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 3: you know, entering his prime right now. We might not 67 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 3: have even seen his best season yet, so maybe there 68 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 3: is room to grow. Whereas you know, Tyreek is entering 69 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 3: his age thirty season, so you know, while he's shown 70 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 3: zero signs of slowing down, certainly over the next season 71 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 3: or two we could see that. 72 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: So I think. 73 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 3: Lamb right now is the top wide receiver in fantasy. 74 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have no bones to pick with that. 75 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we've talked about it. It's Gak 76 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: might have to rely on the pass the game more 77 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: this year, just with the state of the running game 78 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 2: with no powered and you know, some some shifts on 79 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: the offensive line bringing in some newer guys. So yeah, 80 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 2: I think Ceede Walliam is set up to dominate again. 81 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 2: Love the age and Tyreek number two. You know you 82 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 2: mentioned age thirty season. He has quughte hundred and ten 83 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 2: balls or more each of the last three years, his 84 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 2: two seasons with Miami one nineteen seven, ten and seven 85 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: and then last year one nineteen seventeen, ninety nine and thirteen. 86 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 2: So he had one hundred and ten plus catches in 87 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: seventeen hundred twusy yards with the Dolphins each of these 88 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 2: past two years and managed to stay healthy. 89 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: I guess that's the only thing. 90 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,559 Speaker 2: Like, do you know how much, if any decline age 91 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: related are you expecting from tyreekk? 92 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:37,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, not really. 93 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 3: I mean again, he had really zero signs of slowing 94 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 3: down last year. You know he does rely on speed, 95 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 3: So maybe now that he's in his thirties, you know 96 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 3: that's going to start to go away a bit, or 97 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,679 Speaker 3: maybe just unable to stay healthy as much in his thirties. 98 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 3: But I think he's right there. I'm not really split 99 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 3: in hairs at this. If you take Tyreek Hill as 100 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 3: the top receiver, I wouldn't fault you. I think it's 101 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 3: really between Lamber Hill to be the second pick off 102 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 3: the board. But I will ask you a weird question. 103 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 3: But like Tua and Dak, they played every game last year, right, 104 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 3: so you know both of these receivers they're gonna be 105 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 3: elite even with backups in. But who would you rank 106 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 3: higher if either quarterback were out? Would you rank Tyreek 107 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 3: higher with Mike White I guess would be the quarterback 108 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 3: or Cedee Lamb with either Trey Lance or Cooper Rush. Like, 109 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 3: which receiver do you think would still be higher if 110 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 3: the backup were in if I'd. 111 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: Probably go with Tyreek and Mike White just because I mean, 112 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 2: I think it would have to be Cooper Rush. 113 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think Trey Lance is on 114 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: the same level as a quarterback that is. 115 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: But yeah, I would still go Tyreek because you know, 116 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: I just think that he hit the speed and they 117 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: just just more options for what you could do, even 118 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 2: with a backup quarterback to get the ball in his hands. 119 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: And I know you could do that with CD two, 120 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: but yeah, I think the speed and it just kind 121 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: of does and I trust that, you know, McDaniel offense 122 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 2: a little more than McCarthy or a lot more than McCarthy, 123 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 2: even though McCarthy did some good things last year. I 124 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: will say, so, yeah, what about you, would you yeah, 125 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: it would be Terreek for you, or yeah, I would agree. 126 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 3: I think Tyreek, and I think you got to think 127 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 3: about that, like both of these players, floor is out 128 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 3: of their control. It's you know, injuries or their quarterback 129 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 3: gets hurt. So I just try to think of all 130 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 3: different scenarios, and I think, yeah, Tyreek would probably have uh, 131 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 3: you know, more upside if you know, both these quarterbacks 132 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 3: were going to miss some time. So that's that's a 133 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,559 Speaker 3: point for Tyreek. But over it, you can't really plan 134 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 3: on that as your decision. As your decision. But I 135 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 3: think upside with with everyone healthy, I'm going Lamb. But 136 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 3: that's that's just one other angle I think of when 137 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 3: it's close like this, But I'm still giving the edge 138 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 3: of Lamb overall. 139 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's a situation like McCaffrey, where 140 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: it's he's in a tier of his own. I think, 141 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 2: you know, if you're playing it like let's say you're 142 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 2: in one hundred and fifty best boat leagues and you 143 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: have a ton of you know, that number two spot, 144 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 2: you know, I think switching it up between Lamb and 145 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: Hill makes perfect sense. Yeah, Jamar Chase is the number 146 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 2: three wide receiver. He's gonna only be twenty four this year, 147 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 2: and all three of his NFL seasons have ended with 148 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: at least eighty catches, at least one thousand yards, at 149 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: least seven touchdowns. 150 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: You know that. 151 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: Bengals team had the last play schedule has the last 152 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: play schedule now because Borrow gets. 153 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: Hurt, you lose Tyler Boy, you lose. 154 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: You know some I guess ARV Smith's that's not really big, 155 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 2: you know, so it was mixing. So I mean Jamar 156 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 2: Chase could be even a bigger target high. I guess 157 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: this year if some of those you know, supplementary complimentary 158 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: wide receivers, excuse me, don't don't pan out. 159 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 3: What are you? 160 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: What is your outlook for Jamar Chase headed into year four? 161 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very good. He's my wide receiver three. So 162 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 3: I'm in line with this. And you know, we were 163 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 3: talking about hypotheticals with Lamb and Tyreek playing with a 164 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 3: backup quarterback. They didn't have to last year. Jamar Chase did. Yeah, 165 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 3: and you know, well, Jake Browning did a great job. 166 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 3: I thought of stepping up for Joe Burrow for essentially 167 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 3: the entire second half of the season. Chase's production did 168 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 3: drop off with him under center. He averaged thirty second 169 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 3: most basketball points added per game with the six games 170 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 3: he played with Browning under center. He was fifth overall 171 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 3: in that same stat in Burrow's nine starts where he 172 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 3: finished the game. So I think we just need to 173 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 3: factor that in when thinking about Chase's twenty twenty three season. 174 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 3: So I have him way up there. You know, with 175 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 3: Joe Burrow back, he's a top three receiver. Like you said, 176 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 3: it's not just Jamar Chase is entering his prime at 177 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 3: twenty four. Joe Burrow's entering his prime at twenty seven. 178 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 3: You know, do you have any concerns, I should say, 179 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 3: like with Burrow, like is he an injury risk or 180 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 3: have these just been fluky because I think when you 181 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 3: take Chase wide receiver three, you're kind of banking on 182 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 3: Burrow playing at least I would say fourteen games. But 183 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 3: do you have any concerns at this point in his 184 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 3: career with Burrow just how often he's been hurt? 185 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: No, I still think it's fooky enough. 186 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 2: And I mean when you're comparing him to other guys, 187 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 2: you know, when you're compare and Chase the other guys, 188 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 2: I mean you kind of hit on it. 189 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: Browning is still I think, you know, a. 190 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 2: Better situation than a lot of these other guys would 191 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 2: be in if their quarterback went down. So yeah, no, 192 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 2: no real concerns about Joe Burrow yet if he gets 193 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 2: if he has another injury this year, then you start 194 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 2: to you start to wonder, But as of now, not really. 195 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson is the wide receiver four. He's entering his 196 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: age twenty five year and I guess the big thing 197 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: with him is most of his careers has been spent 198 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: with Kirk Cousins, that quarterback. 199 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: With Cousins compared to without. 200 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 2: The catch eight sixty eight percent versus sixty five and 201 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 2: a half percent. Yards per target ten point three with Cousins, 202 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 2: nine point seven with everybody else. Touchdowns per target five 203 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 2: point four percent with Cousins three point four percent with 204 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 2: everyone else. 205 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: So there has been a downtick. 206 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 2: Now you got looks like Sam Darnold's going to start 207 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 2: the year McCarthy either he's gonna red shirt or probably 208 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 2: take over at some point mid season. 209 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: How does that impact your outlook for Justinjefferson. Oh yeah, it. 210 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 3: Definitely impacts my projection for him. You know, weeks one 211 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 3: through four last year, when he and Kirk Cousins were 212 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 3: both healthy, that was actually the only stretch last year 213 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 3: they were both healthy. Jefferson averaged fourteen and a half 214 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 3: best ball points added per game. That would have been 215 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 3: easily top on the season. Unfortunately, he missed a handful 216 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 3: of games, so he played three games with Nick Mullens 217 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 3: under center at the end of last year, and he 218 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 3: ranked twelve in best ball points out per game, So 219 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 3: you just have to, you know, think I'd say Sam 220 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 3: Darnol and JJ mccarthyel probably be better than Nick Pollens, 221 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 3: but it's certainly going to be a downgrade. The question 222 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 3: is how much I think justin Jefferson going in that 223 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 3: wide receiver four to six range, I think sounds about 224 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 3: right when it comes to my projections, but I would 225 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 3: still lean towards the guy we're going to talk about next. 226 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 3: I'm on Ross Saint Brown over JJ. I think it's 227 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 3: just a more stable situation, not as many question marks. 228 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 3: Whereas Jefferson still might be the best receiver in league. 229 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 3: But the drop in just you know, QB talent for 230 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 3: you know, the reliability of the quarterback, I think does 231 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 3: bump Jefferson down. Not a lot, but at least, you know, 232 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 3: down to like wide receiver five for me. 233 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, And the next guy is a mon Ross Saint Brown, 234 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 2: who we both love on this podcast. He's entering his 235 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 2: age twenty five season. He's improved every year from ninety 236 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 2: catches nine hundred twelve yards and five scores as a 237 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 2: rookie to one oh six for eleven sixty one and 238 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 2: six in year two and last year one hundred and 239 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: nineteen catches, one thousand, five hundred and fifteen yards and 240 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 2: ten scores. 241 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: So, uh, you know, he keeps getting better. 242 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 2: I mean he could maybe he has a CD lamb 243 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: like you know ceiling as well. So you like a 244 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 2: moonra over Jefferson this year, Yeah, yeah, I do. 245 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 3: And he's really become one of the most reliable players 246 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 3: in all of Fantasy. He finished inside the top thirty 247 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 3: eighty seven percent of the time last year, that rank first, 248 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 3: and he finished top twelve sixty percent of the time, 249 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 3: which ty Tyreek Hill for the highest rate. So he 250 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 3: just has the optimal floor ceiling combo weekend week out. 251 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 3: And you know, he's always seen a ton of volume, 252 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 3: but last year is the first time he's scored double 253 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 3: digit touchdowns. He had ten, And I just think given 254 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 3: how often the Lions just get into the red zone, 255 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 3: you know, how high scoring they are, they play inside 256 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 3: a lot. This year, like, I think that he could 257 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 3: easily repeat you know, eight to ten touchdowns this year. 258 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 3: And with his you know, just overall volume, that's just 259 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 3: a lethal combination. So he's my wide receiver four and 260 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 3: I would take him ahead of Justin Jefferson. 261 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I still have him wide receiver five, but I 262 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 2: could they're in the same tiers barely anything, so I 263 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 2: don't mind that at all. But yeah, no, that's that 264 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense just given the question marks, 265 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 2: because I even think with Jefferson going back to Jefferson, 266 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 2: a guy like Nick Mullens is still better than probably 267 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 2: Donald or or McCarthy, just because Nick Mullens is so 268 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 2: yolo and just you know, he'll throw four hundred yards 269 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 2: and two touchdowns and four picks and they're just all 270 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: the numbers will be there, So that probably doesn't hurt 271 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 2: a guy like Jefferson as much as maybe no more conservative. 272 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: I do think you'll probably see some some more heavier sets, 273 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 2: which I guess that gives Jefferson a better chance to 274 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 2: be targeted on a per route basis, but uh, you know, 275 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 2: they might die it back in terms of the volume. 276 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 2: So there's some uncertainty there with that Viking offense, whereas 277 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 2: as you mentioned the Lions, we kind of know what 278 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 2: we're getting with a Monra to start the year and 279 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 2: that whole offense. AJ Brown is in number six, Kuka's six. 280 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 2: In some spots here, but we'll go with Aju. 281 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: He's entering his age. 282 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: Twenty seven season, so that should be peaking two years 283 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 2: at Philadelphia eighty eight catches, one four hundred ninety six 284 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: yards and eleven touchdowns a couple of years ago, last 285 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 2: year one oh six for fourteen fifty six and seven, 286 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: so he's been about similarly productive both years. What do 287 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 2: you think about aj now in year one of this 288 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 2: Kellen Moore offense. 289 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's He's my wider wide receiver six. So I'm 290 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 3: in line with this, and you know, when the Eagles 291 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 3: offense is humming. In the first half of the season, 292 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 3: he ranked third and best ball points added per game, 293 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 3: but once once offense fell apart after that, he ranked 294 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 3: forty ninth and bestball points added per game in the 295 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 3: second half of the season. So you just have to 296 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 3: really bank on Kellen Moore getting this offense back on track, 297 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 3: which I think he should. So I think, you know, 298 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 3: Brown will push top five value this year. I wouldn't 299 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 3: take him over Amn raw or Justin Jefferson obviously, but 300 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 3: I think he's sort of the end of this elite 301 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 3: wide receiver one tier for me. So he's he's confidently 302 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 3: wide receiver six for me, whereas you know wide receivers 303 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 3: seven and eight. I think you can debate who goes there, 304 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 3: but I have aj Browns, you know, squarely at wide 305 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 3: receiver six for me right now. 306 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know eight twenty seven could be his 307 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: peak year or so yeah, no, no real concerns for 308 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 2: him all right, Before we get into wide receiver seven 309 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 2: through twelve, just wanted to pause really quickly to talk 310 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 2: about fantasylabs dot Com. 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In the five 331 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: games Cup was out, Nakua averaged twenty two PPR points 332 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 2: seventeen and a half half PPR points. When Cup was 333 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 2: in that dropped to just under sixteen PPR points and 334 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: just over thirteen half PPR points. 335 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: So there was a. 336 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: Little bit of a difference in terms of the usage 337 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 2: eleven point six targets without Cup eight point three in 338 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 2: the twelve games they played together. So do you think 339 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 2: you know with if Cup is healthy, that Nikua still 340 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 2: has enough for this wide receiver seven spot. 341 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is probably closer to his ceiling if I'm 342 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 3: being honest, and he's coming off one of the best 343 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 3: rookie seasons we've ever seen finish as a wide receiver 344 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 3: four last year, I knew he was a real deal 345 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 3: when he continued to produce at a high level even 346 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 3: when Cooper Cup was able to make his season debut 347 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 3: in week five. And if you remember, that was one 348 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 3: of my favorite projections to kind of make last year 349 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 3: was Pooka and Nakoup in week five, just how the 350 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 3: hell is this going to work out with Cooper Cup 351 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 3: and Pookaku in the same offense. And it was good, 352 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 3: but like as you pointed out, his basketball points out 353 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 3: of per game did drop off by a little over 354 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 3: five points a game when Cup was active. That still 355 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 3: would have ranked you know, thirteenth across the entire season, 356 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 3: So still very good. But uh, you know that that 357 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 3: that does feel like this is closer to his ceiling 358 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 3: if Cup were to stay healthy all year. But you know, 359 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 3: he is entering year two, Cups getting older, so it 360 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 3: could just you know, be I think po is essentially 361 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 3: Cooper Cup in this offense from you know, a couple 362 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 3: of seasons ago. So I do think the needle's pointing 363 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 3: up for Pooka, But just the time to draft him 364 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 3: was last year, taking him wide receiver seven. It is 365 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 3: a bit tougher pillow to slow swallow here, but yeah, 366 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 3: I think his production taking as big of a hit 367 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 3: as it did when Cup is active does give me 368 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 3: some pause here. But my productions have him wide receiver 369 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 3: eight at the end of the day, so you know 370 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 3: this is about right. But again, the time the draft 371 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 3: Kuka was last year. 372 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't have any major concerns with him. 373 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 2: I mean, he had a good enough rookie year that 374 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 2: I think he's going to be good. You know, this 375 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 2: is offense plays indoors. The defense is you know, not 376 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 2: super elite, so they shouldn't have enough throwing opportunities. 377 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, maybe he doesn't. 378 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 2: Put up the numbers he did from those first first 379 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 2: four games without Cup, but I think it'll be fine. 380 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 2: Garrett Wilson is the wide receiver eight. And the crazy 381 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 2: thing about Wilson is his career at targets have broken 382 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: down like this one hundred and sixty four from Zach Wilson, 383 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 2: fifty from Joe Flacco, forty one from Mike White, thirty 384 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 2: five from Trevor Simeon, twenty from Tim Boyle, and five 385 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 2: from Chris Streveler. So this, if Rogers is able to 386 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 2: stay healthy even at age forty one, should be the 387 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 2: best quarterback Wilson's ever had. What's your outlook for Wilson 388 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 2: head into his third year. 389 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, just having said that, he's still a bit of 390 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 3: a projection because he was forty third in bestball points 391 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 3: out of per last year, but that was you know, 392 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 3: he had arguably the worst quarterback situations in the league, 393 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 3: only scored three touchdowns, So have to imagine that's where 394 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers is really going to help him as the 395 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 3: touchdown department could easily score double digit touchdowns for the 396 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 3: first time in his career. Only had seven touchdowns in 397 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 3: his career for the first two seasons. As you know, 398 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 3: amazing a wy receiver is, so he's been really held 399 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 3: back by quarterback play. You also just have to be 400 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 3: assuming that Rogers is going to be the same Aaron 401 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 3: Rodgers that we knew before this injury. And you know, 402 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 3: Rogers is turning forty one. I know you're projecting him 403 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 3: to decline a little bit more than I am, but 404 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 3: that's that's part of the projection as well. So I 405 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 3: have Garrett Wilson right here, but again, you're you are 406 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 3: banking on Aaron Rodgers returning to form end staying healthy, 407 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 3: which is tough, so that there's some inherent risk that's 408 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 3: outside of Wilson's control. But I think if Rogers stays healthy, 409 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 3: Wilson has a shot, you know, to put up a 410 00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 3: top five type season. 411 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean it's still even if Rogers isn't 412 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 2: anywhere near what he used to be. I mean, it's 413 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 2: still probably better than any quarterback oh Wilson has had, 414 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 2: So from that angle, there's not as much risk, you know, 415 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 2: and then you have Tyrod Taylor backing him up, which 416 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 2: is not not the worst. I mean, definitely an upgrade 417 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 2: from all those other names as well. So yeah, I 418 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 2: think Wilson's pretty safe here. Davante Adams is the wide 419 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 2: receiver nine. Now he's entering his age thirty two season. 420 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 2: There are some whispers about a trade that that have 421 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:35,479 Speaker 2: been denied, but you know, once Pierce took over, they 422 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 2: did make it a point to involve Adams a little 423 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: bit more. He went from nine point eight targets to 424 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 2: ten point nine, even though the team as a whole 425 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 2: got more run heavy. So you know, how do you 426 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: how do you kind of value Adams you know, as 427 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 2: an older guy in a in a shaky offense, but 428 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 2: as you know, the clear top target. 429 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I still think he's one of the better receivers 430 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 3: in the league, even thirty one. But the just the 431 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 3: Raiders quarterback situation is a disaster right now. You know, 432 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 3: if Gardner minshew An O'Connell, you know, it's it's caused 433 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 3: Adams to be frustrated. You know, he's a potential trade candidate. 434 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 3: But when it came to the draft, you know that 435 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 3: the Raiders were sort of banking on getting Michael Pennix 436 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 3: at you know, thirteenth overall, but the Falcons really derailed 437 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 3: those plans. So they took brock Bauers. That that term 438 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 3: of events, you know, both directions there really did ding 439 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 3: Adams in my projections, Like like we were saying on 440 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 3: the tight end pod, you know, Bowers is a generational 441 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 3: type prospect at tight end, He's going to command you know, targets. 442 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 3: Jacoby Myers, you know, does command a high target share 443 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 3: as well. So you know, there's there's a lot more 444 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 3: downside than we typically see with DeVante Adams. So I 445 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 3: have him right here at wide receiver nine, but I 446 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 3: think there's clearly a drop off once Wilson and Nikua 447 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 3: are off the board. I kind of have those guys 448 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 3: in the mini tier where really the next you know, 449 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 3: six or seven receivers, you could argue going here at 450 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 3: you know, wide receiver nine. So I think this is 451 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 3: a fair price for him, but I'd rather just wait 452 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 3: and maybe have some guy fall to me, just depending 453 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 3: on how the draft's going. But you know, Adams has 454 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 3: a lower floor than we've typically seen, and it's not 455 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 3: really based on him or his talent or his age 456 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 3: or anything. It's just the situation around him. And I 457 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 3: don't know, like if he gets traded, maybe that helps, 458 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 3: but any of his potential landing spots don't excite me 459 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 3: too much. So I think right now, you know, wide 460 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 3: receiver nine sounds about right. 461 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's kind of a in a glut of guys. 462 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 2: I actually have a wide receiver twelve, so I'm a 463 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 2: little little lower. But yeah, there's just a lot of 464 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 2: uncertainty with him. But you know, the floor is going 465 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 2: to be high because he's just so good. But that 466 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 2: quarterback situation does worry me. In Vegas, if he doesn't 467 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 2: get traded, my wide receiver ten is Marvin Harrison Junior. 468 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,719 Speaker 2: You know, this is obviously a big projection. I know, 469 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 2: especially in best Ball, he goes very high. You know, 470 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 2: I guess how early is too early for Harrison? Just 471 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 2: given that, you know, if you're taking him number ten, 472 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 2: even eleven, twelve, you're taking him over guys with the 473 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 2: established track records. 474 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: For the most part. So yeah, when it is too 475 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: early for Harrison. 476 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 3: I mean wide receiver ten sounds about right. I think 477 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 3: when after the draft, when I did my initial projections, 478 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 3: I had him around wide receiver seventeen. But I've I've 479 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 3: slowly moved it up since then, so he's he's right 480 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 3: around wide receiver eleven. For me, he's just, you know, 481 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 3: one of the best wide receiver prospects we've ever seen it. 482 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm a little bit biased. 483 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 3: His dad was one of my favorite fancy wide receivers 484 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 3: right when I got into fancy. His dad was in 485 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 3: his prime. So you know, he has a really good pedigree. 486 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 3: He's a solid prospect. He has a chance to be, 487 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 3: you know, like a Jamar Chase type rookie and just 488 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 3: be a fantasy stud out of the gate. I think 489 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 3: that's the most likely outcome here. And I think this 490 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 3: this is a pretty good situation, you know, ending up 491 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 3: at Arizona with Kyler Murray. I think he has a 492 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 3: fairly high floor and the sky's limit. So I think, 493 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 3: you know, wide receiver ten, Well, it might be a 494 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 3: little bit of a reach. I think he's one of 495 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 3: those guys where it's it's definitely worth it. You're just 496 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 3: really banking on him hitting the ground running as a rookie, 497 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 3: and he's so polished, he doesn't really have that many 498 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 3: weaknesses where I could definitely see that happening. So there's 499 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 3: absolutely some times where I'm taking him in this slot. 500 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, especially when you're trying to put together a 501 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 2: Kyer cardinal stack in best ball. 502 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: I love him this high. 503 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 2: I mean tight end ten, I mean, excuse me, wide 504 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 2: receiver ten. You're pretty much taking him close to a 505 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 2: ceiling given that he is a rookie. But yeah, he 506 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 2: has that kind of upside. I guess it's just you know, 507 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,479 Speaker 2: comparing him to guys like Okay, Chris Olave's wide receiver eleven. 508 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 2: He's entering his age twenty four seasons, had a thousand 509 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 2: yards in both of his first two years. 510 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: What do you think of a Lave this year? 511 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's already established himself, as you know, one of 512 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 3: the better up and coming wide receivers, and he's been 513 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 3: pretty reliable over his first two seasons, so he might 514 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 3: be a little bit underrated. I think, like you know, 515 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 3: wide receiver eleven is a about where i'd have him. 516 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 3: You know, last last year he finished twenty fourth and 517 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 3: best ball points out of per game. The situation doesn't 518 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 3: really look that much better this year. So I think 519 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 3: he's one of those guys. He just he lacks a 520 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 3: touchdown upside other guys have in this range only four 521 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 3: and five touchdowns over his first two seasons. You know, 522 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 3: they still have Derek Carr under center, so it's hard 523 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 3: to get too excited about him. And the unfortunate thing 524 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 3: with him is I think he's sitting on top of Again, 525 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 3: this is a tier of six or seven wide receivers 526 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 3: where a slight change of the projection can send them 527 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 3: up or down, you know, six or seven slots. So 528 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 3: he this is the range where I don't like taking 529 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 3: guys at the top of the tier, which is kind 530 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 3: of a lave right here. I'd rather just kind of 531 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 3: have guys fall for me, attack maybe running back in 532 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 3: this range, or you know, just load up at receivers. 533 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 3: So it really depends where I am i draft or 534 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 3: where I'm drafting from. But this this sounds about right 535 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 3: for a love. But just given you know the tiers 536 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 3: and how they shaked out, I tend to shy away 537 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 3: just because you get some guys with comparable projections with 538 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 3: maybe more upsided a little bit later on. 539 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have no problem to a lot. 540 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 2: I mean he's he's a high floor guy, which you know, 541 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 2: at this early in the draft, I don't mind. And 542 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 2: you know, there's always a chance he improves on that 543 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 2: touchdown and I probably won't with Derek Carr. 544 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: I'm not a big Derek Carr fan, but. 545 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, there's always room to grow, and I 546 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 2: think his his floor is pretty much going to be 547 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 2: you know, a thousand yard guys, and he might even 548 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 2: improve on that because I mean Carr was dumping it 549 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 2: down to Camara like crazy last year. 550 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: So that stops, you know. I think that, you know, 551 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: could help a lot. 552 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 2: I also think we'll talk about this, you know, an 553 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 2: upcoming pop but I think Shaheed is interesting in that 554 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 2: offense as well. Why receiver twelve Drake London another guy 555 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 2: who a little bit of a projection, you know, year 556 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 2: one seventy two catches for eight sixty six and four 557 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 2: scores last year sixty nine for nine oh five and 558 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 2: just two scores. But you know, with Kirk Cousins here, 559 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 2: there should be a lot more volume for this passing 560 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 2: offense and efficiency as well. So do you like Wendon 561 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 2: as a top twelve wide receiver given that? 562 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: Yeah? 563 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, And he's the guy who was very high on 564 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 3: coming out of USC. I said he's like a blend 565 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 3: of Keenan Allen and Mike Evans. I still think that, 566 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 3: and like you said, he's he's really a projection, still 567 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 3: similar to Kyle Pitts's teammate and Garrett Wilson, even where 568 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 3: they've just been held back by poor quarterback play, you know, 569 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 3: run heavy offense, but that should all change this year. 570 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 3: And he's just he's still just twenty three years old 571 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 3: entering his year three seasons, so could easily break out. 572 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: But every other. 573 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 3: Thing that's been held you know, holding him back is 574 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,959 Speaker 3: changing for the better this year. But this is one 575 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 3: of those things. I know we always complained about it, 576 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 3: but ADP is annoyingly sharp with him. Where yeah, like 577 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 3: I think the market realizes he's gonna break out. So 578 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 3: it's about right having him wide receiver twelve. That's where 579 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 3: I have him. You know, most years maybe they would 580 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 3: kind of overlook this and he'd be wide receiver seventeen 581 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,719 Speaker 3: or something like that, but they got it right here. 582 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 3: He should absolutely be inside the top twelve. And I 583 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 3: think he's one of those guys. He has top five 584 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 3: upside if this offense is as good as I think 585 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 3: it could be. You know, he has double digit touchdown 586 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 3: upside could be you know, the alph and this offense 587 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 3: alongside you know, Kyle Pitts and Vijon Robinson, so lots 588 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 3: of like everything could go his way this year. Kind 589 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 3: of the perfect storm of upside. So love him here 590 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 3: at wide receiver twelve. 591 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, his underlying metrics tend to check out. You know, 592 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 2: target perroute rates usually in the mid to load of 593 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 2: mid twenties. 594 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, I like him as well. 595 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 2: You know, plays indoors should be the number one target 596 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 2: in the offense. 597 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: Not really much to not like. 598 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 2: And I mean he still had two very good years 599 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 2: to start his career even with poor quarterback play, and 600 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 2: there's room for I think more touchdown upside given his size, especially, 601 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 2: you know, he's a bigger guy kind of like a 602 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 2: Mike Evans type as you mentioned. So yeah, I have 603 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 2: no problem with him as a as a top twelve, 604 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 2: I think, yeah, after you get past that that top five, 605 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 2: you know with uh, you know Wallam and Hill and 606 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 2: Chase and Jefferson and and Aman. 607 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: Rather, this is a little you know, a little more 608 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: wiggle room. 609 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 2: I think, you know, can make a case for some guys, 610 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,239 Speaker 2: but overall, I think there's no nobody really sticks out 611 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 2: as like a guy I'm fading in this range. I'm 612 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 2: a little lower on DeVante just because there's some uncertainty, 613 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 2: and I think Harrison's a little riskier because of the 614 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 2: just the lack of a track record. But you know, 615 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 2: nothing nothing egregious here. I think it just depends on 616 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 2: your your type of draft. You know, if you're if 617 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 2: you're in best Ball, I think, you know, Harrison makes 618 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 2: a lot of sense. 619 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: I think if you're in. 620 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 2: A redraft league, you know, maybe you're maybe you're going 621 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 2: for guys like a Lave a little bit more Garrett Wilson, 622 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 2: because I think their floors are are pretty locked in regardless. 623 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: So no no real. 624 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 2: Qualms here, any anything else stand out with this with 625 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 2: this tier. 626 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 3: I think like, I think a guy like Mike Evans 627 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 3: I have a little bit higher. We'll talk about him 628 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 3: on the next pod, but I think that you could 629 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 3: argue Mike Evans is still, you know, a top twelve 630 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 3: type of receiver, especially in Best Ball, So I think 631 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 3: he's offering some sneaky upside just based on where he's going. 632 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 3: So he's one guy that I think missed the cut 633 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 3: that I think should probably deserve some some honorable mention 634 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 3: in this year. 635 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I guess that comes down to how much 636 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 2: Baker can continue doing it with that Canalis his quarterback 637 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 2: was true in Tampa. 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