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Speaker 2: I found that tape in my car when Anna left

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Speaker 2: it with a bunch of her books.

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Speaker 1: And when I heard it, that's when I knew she

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Speaker 3: It also can't be true the age of the matter, which,

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Speaker 4: You think all the time, all of a sudden she's

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Speaker 1: He wore down. That's a little bit wore down.

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Speaker 5: Jesus.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember Jacob Wyman, the English teacher.

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Speaker 6: Wyman landed in hot water last semester when several parents

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Speaker 6: noticed he had included the novel Dammage by Josephine Hart

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Speaker 6: on his fall reading list.

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Speaker 1: I needed to see that book.

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Speaker 7: So the Sheriff's department is here.

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Speaker 8: What?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Because I don't care if you are some little

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Speaker 2: ship that is serious.

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Speaker 1: There are parts of my conversation with Mick Bowden that

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Speaker 1: I didn't include earlier. It didn't seem relevant. Who actually

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Speaker 1: came at you with the bat?

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Speaker 2: I remember the Phantom of the Opera or whatever. That's

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Speaker 2: that's why I took him out. And that kid went

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Speaker 2: down hard. He took it. He wasn't getting back up.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about the night Ana Tranner disappeared.

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Speaker 9: No way, no fucking way.

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Speaker 1: Kristen Zia quite the same took me out.

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Speaker 5: I think I remember that.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Mick and I were going back and forth, and

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Speaker 2: Was just lucky I didn't have a gun.

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Speaker 1: That's a weird thing to say.

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Speaker 2: I'm making a point.

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Speaker 1: Okay, if you can with a back, if I had

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Speaker 7: Did you have a gun?

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Speaker 2: Like in your car? Do you have a gun? No?

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Speaker 2: What do you mean obviously not? Okay? No, but hold on,

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Speaker 5: In your house when you grew up? Yeah, my dad,

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's just can we just calm down and take

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Speaker 5: Whine getting off track.

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Speaker 2: You're not off track.

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Speaker 5: You put a finger of me.

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Speaker 2: I'm just pointing it right back at you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Mick had recorded our conversation the same time I did.

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Speaker 7: They're searching the house.

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Speaker 5: They're going through all the closets and outside.

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Speaker 1: The Sonoma County Sheriff's office had shown up at my parents'

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Speaker 5: What are they looking for?

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Speaker 1: But obviously it was more than that. I am actor

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Speaker 8: It's it's the one day guest star I can live about.

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Speaker 8: You should come home and stop recording. Call a lawyer.

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Speaker 8: They have a warrant, they have a reason to be there.

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Speaker 8: They have a legal document. You have nothing. You have

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Speaker 1: What do you mean are you seriously asking me that one?

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to hide. I'm not hiding anything from you.

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Speaker 1: Man, My buddy Connor didn't hold back.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think what she's mad about is that

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Speaker 9: You know, when you said you were doing this podcast,

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Speaker 10: We were very intoxicated and we were not quiet, writing

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Speaker 1: When I called from the airport, I got Alex's voice, Man, hey, look,

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Speaker 1: you'll see that Willow is such a small part of this.

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Speaker 1: It's really it's not about her. It really is about Anna. Anyway,

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Speaker 7: I love you.

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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Yeah, how are you? You never got me

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Speaker 2: I know, I know.

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Speaker 1: It took me all day to get to my parents.

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Speaker 1: The Sheriff's department was long gone.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, So I was in the backhouse and I looked

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Speaker 1: And they're just asking about guns. They're just saying like where, Yeah,

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Speaker 7: Let me see that.

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Speaker 8: He haunted the press for years. So don't question your parents.

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Speaker 1: No, we walked to Connor that you that Why what do.

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Speaker 1: Oh, there was a box among the junk. What the hell?

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Speaker 7: This is the pager.

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Speaker 1: to ups. Hey, it's right or strong. I'm Christavecchia's friend.

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Speaker 7: Well, what do we do?

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Speaker 1: I want to believe that truth wins out, that if

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Speaker 1: This is exactly the situation where people get completely screwed,

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Speaker 1: But you know, suddenly my fingerprints end up on a

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Speaker 13: Do you trust cops?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean to a certain extent. No, Okay, this

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Speaker 11: You get to a point and you say, okay, whatever,

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Speaker 1: Okay, I mean I think at this point, I don't

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Speaker 7: You're just being paranoid.

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Speaker 1: I had come to think of as the mister Wrong theory.

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Speaker 1: I pieced together that Anna was in a secret, inappropriate

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Speaker 5: Know, like, no, you've got to do this essay, you

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Speaker 14: Seemed more you know, like ernest and really you know,

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Speaker 1: I needed to see a book that was in evidence

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Speaker 1: If it had handwritten notes that matched the other books

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Speaker 7: Oh screw those guys. Yes, that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 7: No, he's crazy, You're fine.

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Speaker 1: Oh hey, I'm on burnside right now. I'm like literally

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Speaker 7: That and imagine it's Orion singing. No, you mean Shadow Days.

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Speaker 7: Wait that was a Shallow Day.

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Speaker 1: Yes, of course, it was like the epic Shallow Days performance. Well,

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Speaker 7: They have nothing, man, they've got less than nothing.

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Speaker 1: I knew Chris was right. I needed to get home,

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Speaker 1: and I saw that Andreas was working. Hey, Andreas Rider.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, hey, been for some sebst berries. It's cool,

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Speaker 7: Have you seen Maldonado? No?

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Speaker 1: Really, I mean maybe last Sunday. Okay, yeah, I'm just

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Speaker 1: I never charged him. When I asked why, Andrea's told

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Speaker 4: He pissed off some people good and you know, there's

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Speaker 7: But he didn't know us.

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Speaker 7: Well, anyways, that was a long story. I bug.

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Speaker 1: You listen, if you talk to him, if you see maldonadoak,

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Speaker 1: Say this, tell him that I don't like the story,

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Speaker 1: not gonna lie. It was awkward. Hi, Hi, I have

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Speaker 1: Thomas Greer. But I can't really, I'm not sure how

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Speaker 13: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's evidence for a case, and it's a gun.

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Speaker 1: A deputy came out to my car and got it.

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Speaker 1: It's the same story that I talked about last episode,

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Speaker 1: Yes, But I was looking back at this time and

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Speaker 5: Thing of people, you mean people, all right.

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Speaker 1: But the story was about getting serious with Alex, you know,

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Speaker 10: Thematically about you is not a great thing to tell

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Speaker 1: This was an even worse version of keeping her up

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Speaker 4: Home.

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Speaker 1: When I got home, Alex wouldn't let me record. Our son,

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Speaker 1: We didn't talk about it. But later Indy had gymnastics.

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Speaker 13: Right now, I just is whatever is happening here is

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Speaker 15: Okay, Like, oh, you're just gonna question fifteen years of marriage,

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Speaker 15: I guess because you're chasing Anna Willo.

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Speaker 13: Do you even care about them as people?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, that's the whole point of this thing.

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Speaker 13: Let me think about it.

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Speaker 2: All I'm doing is.

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Speaker 15: Thinking about them, is people trying to get to know them.

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Speaker 15: I'm doing all these interviews and asking all these people

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Speaker 1: Them, know them better, to understand them more.

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Speaker 13: Have you interviewed any women?

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Speaker 1: What are you talking about?

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Speaker 15: Of course, the sheriff is a woman, like the person

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Speaker 15: I've been talking to.

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Speaker 1: The most is Monica, the journalists.

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Speaker 13: No, I mean from Anna's life, from your life. Have

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Speaker 1: I hadn't.

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Speaker 13: I talked to her mom. This is insane. Why you

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Speaker 13: of the women who knew her, just the dudes who

445
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,880
Speaker 13: knew not one. I just don't see.

446
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 15: It's not that No, I don't see like the point

447
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 15: of course, of course that well, of course there's no

448
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 15: point to it that that's not the point of this, right,

449
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 15: because it's about you and.

450
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 16: Your guy friends making yourselves feel better about what just

451
00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 16: ignoring girls back then because if they didn't date you,

452
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:01,919
Speaker 16: didn't fuck you, they didn't.

453
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 13: They didn't really count.

454
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 15: Okay, you're upset, but you don't have to trash this

455
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 15: whole project because I'm questioning why.

456
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 5: Okay, you're right, you're right. Maybe are you recording this, Alex?

457
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 13: Oh my god, you know to get into the into

458
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 13: the project. Look you, I asked you to talk to me.

459
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 5: I am to come.

460
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 11: Home to talk to me, to really talk to me,

461
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 11: And I am you are secretly recording me it's my god,

462
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 11: Oh my god.

463
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,479
Speaker 13: Please no, please, Alex.

464
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: She didn't want me at the house, and I didn't

465
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:49,479
Speaker 1: blame her. Hi, Chris, let me stay with him. He

466
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: and his wife Fiona met me at the door.

467
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 17: God, you forgot the cardinal rule, buddy, happy wife, happy life.

468
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 1: I hate that same, but it's true.

469
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 5: I mean, this is why Delvi want nothing.

470
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: What were the expectations.

471
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 13: Yeah, he's joking, but also not joking.

472
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 17: Women are complex emotional creatures, which is why it will

473
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 17: never be president Chris. It's true, though, I'm kidding, But seriously,

474
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 17: it's probably her time of the month.

475
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,719
Speaker 13: All right, good night, good night to you.

476
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 2: I know too much. I know, God forbid give her

477
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 2: a time.

478
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 17: Time heals all wounds, especially if you're a creature who

479
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 17: bleeds a few days a month and doesn't die from

480
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 17: Thank you.

481
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 1: Kris didn't have a guest room, which meant I was

482
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: sleeping on the couch in his living room.

483
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I just think that this whole dang, this

484
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 2: whole project has been driven by guilt. Are you confessing

485
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 2: right now?

486
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 7: No?

487
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 2: One confessing to something.

488
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 1: A lot more boring than murder. It's that Alex is right,

489
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: like I.

490
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 7: Weeks doing this recording.

491
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: I didn't interview a single girl from our teens whatever.

492
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 2: You would have interviewed will if she hadn't, I don't.

493
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 1: Would I have. I mean, she inspired this thing, you know.

494
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 1: Do you remember in two thousand and four or five

495
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: or whatever, when I found the pictures of her online?

496
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: I was talking about a time when I was in

497
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 1: college in New York, somewhat early in the days of

498
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: internet porn, and in a crazy coincidence, I came across

499
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: photos of Willow naked.

500
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 10: Yeah, you found photos of her, the kind of like

501
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 10: amateur porn photos of her online in a kitchen maybe.

502
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 10: I just remember being really kind of saddened by that, Yeah,

503
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 10: because that was when I really fully appreciated how desperate

504
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 10: she was for attention and also possibly money.

505
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 5: It was a real DIY kind of job.

506
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: They weren't professional, but also not private. The worst part

507
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 1: she was wearing her same old fairy wings and nothing else. Well,

508
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: I see them, I find them, and then what do

509
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 1: I do. I immediately download them, put them in an

510
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 1: email I'll send to you.

511
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 2: And Connor and I don't even know who else.

512
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh my god, Luke what I just found. Yeah,

513
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 1: because there's crazy, of course, he says, if I would

514
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: have found him out to send him to you and

515
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 1: Connor to do the same exact thing. Okay, yes, it's crazy,

516
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: but my reaction wasn't Oh god, I should maybe reach

517
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: out to Willow and tell her that this is up

518
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: on the internet.

519
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 13: Maybe be sex positive.

520
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: She may have wanted them out there, she may have

521
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 1: wanted to do that.

522
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 17: You could have been like, good for her, she's living

523
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 17: her best.

524
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: But I never I never thought that. Instead, I mean,

525
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my god, look what Willow's doing.

526
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: I can't wait to show the guys. So so, if

527
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: you think about it, I only found the photos because

528
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: I was actually looking for porn.

529
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 2: Like I'm the target guy.

530
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: That's why those photos are up there in the first place.

531
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 2: Right, So what's up with me?

532
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 3: Right?

533
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: How can I be like, oh, I want to naked

534
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: chicks on one hand and then also be like, oh shit,

535
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: my friend's naked online. How pathetic or funny or awful?

536
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 7: We're all three, all three?

537
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: Right? Then I got a call.

538
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 7: Oh I gotta take this, Okay.

539
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: I recognized Maldonado's number. After checking with him, I called

540
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: him back so I could record. All right, Yeah, I

541
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: got it recording now.

542
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 7: So, uh I heard from Andres. I appreciate that.

543
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, thanks for calling. I've been you know, I'm

544
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: piecing together a lot here. Uh and mostly I've been

545
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: zeroing on this teacher. He's this guy named Jacob Wyman.

546
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if he ever came in.

547
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 7: Listen, it was good to you turn that Renflent.

548
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: Well, of course, no, I've I've gotten nothing to hide,

549
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I don't know what Nick is

550
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: telling you or them them.

551
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 7: Look, look, uh, I want to be clear here. I'm

552
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 7: not in the department, got it.

553
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm retired, right, Yeah, No, I know.

554
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 4: Okay, So this is a citizen just calling another citizen

555
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 4: who appreciates the honesty.

556
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 7: So I'm gonna be honest with you as a citizen. Okay.

557
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 4: That rifle that you gave Laughlin, that's a two fifty

558
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 4: seven Rogers. That's a very rare caliber. Oh okay, what

559
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 4: do you mean, Well, there might be one hundred and

560
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 4: fifty sevens in the whole county, and if one of

561
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 4: them sits ten minutes from where we pulled.

562
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 7: Those slugs out of the tree, I'd be surprised.

563
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 4: If it's not a match, they're gonna run ballistics because

564
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 4: that's standard.

565
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 7: They're already. I can tell you right now, it doesn't

566
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 7: look good the man.

567
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: If Maldonado was right about the gun, then Jacob Wyman

568
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: didn't make any sense. It had to be someone who

569
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: knew there were guns in my parents' house, and he says,

570
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't look good, my man. Like what me. I

571
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: called Monica to fill her in, Like you have to.

572
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: You have to believe that I went crazy, walked into

573
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: my parents' house, got a gun, and then came back

574
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: out and just randomly found Anna.

575
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 8: On the look, it's not It's not random or crazy

576
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 8: if you are in a relationship with her.

577
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: Okay, fine, I'm gonna I never even talked to Anna,

578
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: but sure fine, I'm in a relationship with her, and

579
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: I'm the guy. Uh And I planned to meet up

580
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: with her, and I shot her, and then I what

581
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: I just I magically made her body disappear, buried it. Sure,

582
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: I buried it. And what I didn't say anything to Monica,

583
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: but right then something did occur to me. The septic work,

584
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: the reason my parents were gone, the reason Shiloh and

585
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: I were staying at friends. There had been a giant,

586
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: rashly dug hole right in my backyard. A person could

587
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: easily dig up right next to the tank, drop a

588
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: body in, and no one would ever think to look.

589
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: Do you need like a tooth pressure or something you

590
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: brought that?

591
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 7: Do you need toothpaste?

592
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 5: No?

593
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: Yes, I will need I'll day somehow great.

594
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 13: Yeah, okay, we're off.

595
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: I couldn't sleep that night. I was on Chris's couch

596
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: just staring at the ceiling, and sometime around three am

597
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: I checked my email. Okay, I'm rolling because I just

598
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: open up my computer and rink in order to go

599
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: back to us. I actually think it might have been

600
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: in his pager. I wanna go wake up Chris right now.

601
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: This is insane, all right.

602
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 16: Rinklin says, Hi, Christ and rider. Quite a journey with

603
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 16: the motor roller today. Powering it up with a bench

604
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 16: supply was easier than I expected. It chirped the old

605
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 16: two killer her its tone. Hollywood fakes that all the time,

606
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 16: so hearing it for real, it's pretty sweet.

607
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: I have no idea what this means. Okay, the LCD

608
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: was a nightmare, receding the zebra strip.

609
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 7: Oh I think that's Chris upstairs.

610
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: He must have seen the email.

611
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 18: Okay, checked the hacks, found some packed BCD, ran a

612
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 18: little script of Jesus Christ and okay, dumping the e

613
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 18: prom actually worked. I recovered the last twelve numbers see attached.

614
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:39,959
Speaker 18: It's it's a text file. Yes, yes, eight two three

615
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 18: A two nine. Those are definitely from Sebastopol hank of

616
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 18: a skippering notes.

617
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, I think Chris is coming down. Okay,

618
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: that's I can see. That's the Juniper payphone number.

619
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 7: Uh.

620
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: And that's it's actually it's mixed phone number twice. This

621
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: is Anna.

622
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 18: And then there's the last four pages.

623
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: It's the same one for in a row. It's not

624
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: a phone number, it's.

625
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 18: It's code nine.

626
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: That was the standard code for this is an emergency,

627
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: or at least this is important Dash two four two

628
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: O four. The street address of the tender Hearts property

629
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: two O four was same, meet me there and nine

630
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: six Chris, that's Chris's code.

631
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 18: Wait nine one two four dash nine six four times.

632
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: But that that's Chris. What was Chris doing?

633
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 7: She's er er.

634
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 17: It's seriously in a way, nothing is just don't worry

635
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 17: about it.

636
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 5: Babe, just go back inside if you want.

637
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: To go back in sord Just I've got this.

638
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: Freaking my life out rider. Where the funk are you?

639
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: Man?

640
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 17: Rider?

641
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: Can we please fucking talk?

642
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: Can we?

643
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: Can we please just fucking talk?

644
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 17: Come talk to me.

645
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 19: Come on, man, you want to ask me something, you

646
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 19: want to accuse me of something, Come on out. Man

647
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 19: up for once in your life, be a man and

648
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 19: talk to me, face to face.

649
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 5: Come out, Come on, Come on?

650
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: You got an email.

651
00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 7: Writer?

652
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: Hey?

653
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: Can I tell you the story? Does it involved Johnny applesfieve?

654
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,919
Speaker 1: It was three months since I managed to get away

655
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: from Chris's house. That night, I was doing a follow

656
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: up interview with Maldonado and he said he wanted to

657
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: make me feel better. I assumed he meant feel better

658
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 1: about the fact that I never suspected my best friend

659
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: was a murderer.

660
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 7: My old man, my dad.

661
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 4: He died when I was fifteen, and when I was

662
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 4: when I was sixteen seventeen, my mom started.

663
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 7: Dating this guy, Louise. She and Louise ended up getting married.

664
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 4: He moves in and I moved out, and I was

665
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 4: paint houseless, mainly down in a marine. I didn't get

666
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 4: back home that much. But every month is so my

667
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 4: mom's at the doctor or or in the hospital. Something's broken,

668
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 4: or my mom twisted her ankle again. Sometimes like they're shit, yeah, yeah,

669
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 4: oh yeah. But I was busy, you know, nineteen it

670
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 4: was all about me. I was making good dough, painting houses.

671
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 4: But then finally, and then it happens, I get that

672
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 4: that call that my mom's in the hospital again, except

673
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 4: this time it's serious, and this time, well, this time

674
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 4: it's undeniable. They got Louise with scratches all over, they

675
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 4: scraped up knuckles, and that bastardly.

676
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 7: Tried to run, so he was he was hitting there

677
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 7: the whole time, the whole time, from day one.

678
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: She okay, I mean did she Yeah, she was fine.

679
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 7: She came through the police, got two years.

680
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 5: That's it.

681
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 7: Yeah, well it was it was the eighties, man, we

682
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 7: would expect. But that day when I came.

683
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 4: Back to find my mom in the hospital like that,

684
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 4: knowing that this guy had done that and had been

685
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 4: doing that, kept doing that, well that's the day that

686
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 4: I quit painting houses and I enrolled in the police academy.

687
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out where this was going,

688
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: how this could possibly make me feel better. So you

689
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: became a cop because Louise was there in your life,

690
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 1: your own stepdad, and you had no idea.

691
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 4: Of course, not exact opposite. I became a cop because

692
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 4: I always knew that some of a bitch was coming.

693
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 4: I told my mom every chance I got.

694
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 7: That's right, I've got the nose man, the radar. You see.

695
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 4: I think the worst of every person every time. You

696
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 4: know the old saying about assume.

697
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: You mean, if you assume it makes an ass of

698
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: you and an ass of me.

699
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 4: Nope, it's don't assume it makes an assent of you

700
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 4: and a cop, And I mean, yeah, it's a curse writer.

701
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 4: So just be glad you don't have it. Oh and hey,

702
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 4: don't quit your day job.

703
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: Eighteen days ago, Crystal Veatchio charged with the murder of

704
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: Anna Trainor. He's awaiting trial without bail. Anna's body was

705
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: found in the backyard of my childhood home, twenty feet

706
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: from my bedroom window. It was a slope, grassy hill

707
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: my brother and I used to roll down as kids

708
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: play laser tag on. Once we set up a projector

709
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: screen there and I watched Coco with my son. No

710
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: clue what was right below the grass After thirty years,

711
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: what remained of Anna was skeletal.

712
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 5: But tell him you want the gory details, don't you.

713
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: The Sheriff's office liaison Thomas Greer filled me in. No, no,

714
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: I'm you know. I'm just hoping that if I could

715
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: interview somebody.

716
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 8: You're a showbiz guy.

717
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 9: You play it cool, but you're a song and dance man.

718
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 1: A minute, fine, admit it, So you'll let me talk

719
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: to the forensic pathologist.

720
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 9: Oh hell no, this case is ongoing, but I'll get

721
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 9: you a summary of findings.

722
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 5: It still blows my mind.

723
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: We had all lied to the cops about where we

724
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: were in order to protect Willow, so it never occurred

725
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: to us that Chris might have been lying to us too.

726
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 5: He was definitely at my house in the morning. He

727
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 5: was there.

728
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: Here's what Connor, Orion and I have been able to

729
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: piece together. After the fire started, we ran, We scattered,

730
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: Orian and I eventually found Connor on the road, and

731
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: later Willow caught up with us. But even then we

732
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: split up throughout the night to hide from the cars

733
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: the fire trucks, sometimes in pairs, sometimes alone, And when

734
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 1: we thought back, we all assumed that Chris was with us.

735
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: Had been with one of us at any given point,

736
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: but he wasn't. He wasn't there for sure until sunrise

737
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: at Connor's house when we made the Pinky Square, which

738
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: leads Chris unaccounted for from ten pm until almost seven am,

739
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: and in the days that followed. Like me, Chris was

740
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: questioned twice by the cops. Like me, he lied. Other

741
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: than those meetings, there's no official record of his whereabouts.

742
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: Plenty of time to move in his car, catch a

743
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: bus home, even join the search party. Okay, do you

744
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: do you mind reading it?

745
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 7: Oh you're the actor, go bra.

746
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: I don't need you to act, just read.

747
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 5: Okay, pressures on?

748
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 7: All right, all right.

749
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 9: Skeletal remains were zoomed from approximately sixty seven inches below grade.

750
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 9: Associated artifacts included degraded denim, fabric, pants, shoe fragments, and

751
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 9: metallic jewelry. Now my mounts is dry.

752
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: No, you're doing great. It sounds good.

753
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 7: Hey.

754
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 9: How many times did you say anti mortem on Boy

755
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 9: Meets World?

756
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 7: Huh?

757
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: Okay, well, now you know how actors on CSI feel.

758
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 9: Cranial trauma. Left parietal bone exhibits a depress fracture measuring

759
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 9: approximately four point one centimeters in diameter.

760
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: In other words, Anna was struck in the head, but

761
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: that didn't kill her.

762
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 9: Right fourth and fifth ribs both display complete perforation by

763
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 9: a projectile.

764
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: The bullet killed her. Now, to be clear, everything up

765
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: until this is the extent of public information. The district

766
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: attorney isn't redealing more about their case. So let me state,

767
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: because my lawyers have insisted that I say this. Anything

768
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: more is speculation, my speculation. But here's what I think.

769
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 7: Happened that night.

770
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: That's why I took him out. And as that kid

771
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: went down hard, he took it out. He wasn't getting

772
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 2: back up. Okay.

773
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: Chris is hurt by Mick physically, of course, But when

774
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: Mick knocks him down, something snaps. Years of being picked on, rage, humiliation.

775
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 13: He's the mass of delaccia constantly.

776
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 2: Really, oh dude, he lost his shit.

777
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 1: But it's not just that, it's who this is, Mick,

778
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: Anna's ex boyfriend, maybe still her boyfriend, knocking him down.

779
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: That's the worst thing in the world for Chris because

780
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: he's in love with Anna. He is by then in

781
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: a relationship with her.

782
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 3: I think you just like needed to be true that

783
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 3: like you like me, and that I like you. But

784
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 3: it's not okay. It like isn't okay for society. That's

785
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

786
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 1: When I heard about an age difference on the mix,

787
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 1: my imagination only went in one direction. Older. I never

788
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 1: thought it might mean younger. Chris began as Anna Stalker,

789
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 1: the son of a bitch who, according to Laney, wore

790
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: her down and became her secret, inappropriate boyfriend. She was older,

791
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: and she was the coolest, but you were in love

792
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: with her. We all had a massive crush on her,

793
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: and I barely even talked to her. But whatever I

794
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: was in Thember anything with a pulse and booth. Chris

795
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 1: was a scrawny fifteen year old one of her sister's

796
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: weirdo friends, the guy a dressed us Phantom of the

797
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 1: Coffee Shop, Eah, the guy everyone still called fancy pants

798
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: to watch him wig out. She also obviously must have

799
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: liked him a lot, but I can imagine she was torn.

800
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: She made tapes, he gave her books. They had fantasies

801
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: of running off like Bonnie and Clyde. But did she

802
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: take it seriously? I don't know, but I think Chris did,

803
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: and that night he tried to confront Mick. It's actually possible.

804
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: Likely he orchestrated the whole plan our Tom Shannigan's as

805
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: a way to confront Mick. It would have been easy

806
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: to tell Willow and each one of us what we

807
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: needed to hear to get us out there.

808
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, and Chris and I were on the road too.

809
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 7: Oh really, you guys.

810
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 5: I thought you guys were still in the woods.

811
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: No, we met back up with you guys. Walk back

812
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 1: and we watched sunrise at Connors.

813
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: Who did Yeah.

814
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: Chris brings a baseball bat and then after Mick knocks

815
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: him down, he goes and gets a gun. I don't

816
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: think to kill Mick, but to scare him. But by

817
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: the time he gets back, Mick and Travis are gone.

818
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: He finds Willow in the barn and then the fire starts.

819
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: Chris runs to my parents' house. He pages Anna. He's

820
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: thinking Operation Van Go, it's time. Anna meets him at

821
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: the driveway, but something goes wrong. The wounds describe an escalation,

822
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: So what does it say is the official cause of that?

823
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 9: It's a twofer combined blunt force, cranial trauma and gunshot.

824
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 5: Went to the chest.

825
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: Anna won'tco They argue, they fight, It gets physical. He

826
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: hits her, maybe intentionally with the butt of the rifle.

827
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: Maybe she falls either way, Now she's hurt, bleeding. Anna runs,

828
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: Chris panics, chases her. He shoots four times, at least

829
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 1: the three rounds that hit the tree and the shot

830
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: to the chest that kills Anna trainer. And now, wait,

831
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: I just want to be sure the way she was shot,

832
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: where the bullet went in. She was definitely shot from

833
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 1: the front.

834
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 9: Yeah, see, you knew your audience.

835
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: This is a gory detail. I do want to consider

836
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: because it makes what Chris did more intentional, more brutal.

837
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 1: It means Anna wasn't running. She had fallen or stopped

838
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: and turned around. Maybe she was on her back, maybe

839
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: sitting hands in the air, maybe she was pleaning. No

840
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: matter what, she was facing Chris when he shot her,

841
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: No matter what, he was looking right out her when

842
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: he pulled the trigger.

843
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 8: I mean, he didn't see nervous or honestly even concerned.

844
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: Chris's arraignment was a few days ago. Monica was there.

845
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: Was he wearing an orange jumpsuit?

846
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 2: Yeah?

847
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: Oh wait, I was joking. Was the joke, Well, I

848
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe maybe not a joke. No, not a joke.

849
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: I guess it's just a it's bizarre, the you know,

850
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: the reality that this is actually happening, that Chris is

851
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: you know.

852
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 6: I mean there were thirty two arraignment hearings in the

853
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 6: morning session alone, right, right, so thirty two jumpsuits. Uh huh,

854
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 6: your friend discharged with murder. So was it bizarre that

855
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 6: he looks like the other defendants?

856
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 7: Yeah?

857
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: Do you remember when we first talked? Yeah, back in

858
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: ninety five. No, I'm talking about the when we first

859
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: did our zoom for this and you said that you

860
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: had seen me when I was doing the graduate in

861
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: my twenties, and I said I didn't remember you, right, Yeah, Yeah,

862
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: that wasn't true. I saw you that night right when

863
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: I walked in. It was that party at the hotel

864
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: lobby breaking near the current the Warwick.

865
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 8: Yeah.

866
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: I avoided you all night. I was totally terrified. I

867
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: kept thinking that you were going to remember me. Well

868
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: I did, right, of course. I was scared that if

869
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 1: I talked to you, I was gonna crack and just tell.

870
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 8: You the truth about the fire, you know, just that.

871
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: I had lied to you back when I was a kid,

872
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: because I remembered talking to you when I was fifteen

873
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: and lying to you, and just how hard that was.

874
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: So it was so awful to see you now in

875
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: my twenties. I just I avoided you. I mean like

876
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: I even left the party early. Now talking to anyone else,

877
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: I might have been more direct. I might have just

878
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: come out and said something like you're a good journalist, Monica.

879
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: But something told me I didn't have to. Well, thank you,

880
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,959
Speaker 1: thanks well, thank you for everything, and keep in touch.

881
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 8: We'll do.

882
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: You might wonder why I wasn't at the arrangement myself,

883
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: and maybe I should have been. But I'm in Bocus

884
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: del Toro, Panama, where Willow wrote the letter that started

885
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Speaker 1: all of us.

886
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Speaker 2: The How did we get that we didn't want that money?

887
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly why I came here, except I

888
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: guess I wanted the place to be real. To be honest,

889
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: I hate the beach, but I brought my family and

890
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: we've had a good time. I haven't heard from Laney.

891
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: I understand why. For every reason she might thank me,

892
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: there's a reason to condemn me. Lying back in nineteen

893
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 1: ninety five, keeping Anna's murderer close while pushing Willow away,

894
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: I may have eventually helped to solve the case. But

895
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: for thirty years I neglected, and for two months running

896
00:47:49,920 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: around with a microphone, I misdirected. I complicated everything. I

897
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,720
Speaker 1: also haven't heard back from Fiona, Chris's wife. She's refused

898
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: to speak to press. According to public records, she's filed

899
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: for divorce, but then she appeared in court at his arraignment,

900
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: which means I guess that she has complicated feelings. I

901
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 1: have complicated feelings. Of course, there's this righteous, vengeful part

902
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 1: of me that is just so angry that hopes he suffers,

903
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 1: can't wait to see him locked up for the rest

904
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Speaker 1: of his life. Then there's another part of me maybe

905
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: I shouldn't admit to that's just sad. I still can't

906
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: believe he could do this, did do this. And the

907
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: weirdest part is I catch myself wanting to share that

908
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: disbelief with my best friend, which means almost every day

909
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: I want to talk about how crazy it is that

910
00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: Chris did this with Chris. Looking back, it's obvious that

911
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: Chris joined me in the podcast in order to throw

912
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: me off, insisting that talking to the cops was a

913
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: bad idea, throwing away the pager for all I know,

914
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: he paid Sparks to feed me conspiracy theories and then

915
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: vanish because Monica, and more importantly, the district attorney never

916
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: found evidence about campaign contributions. I was blind in so

917
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: many ways. Maybe I should have always seen the signs,

918
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: but it's hard when the memories are actually good, Like

919
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: I remember sitting in a restaurant with Chris when he

920
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 1: just grabbed the check and ran. When we were twelve,

921
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: Chris talked our way into an R rated movie, demanding

922
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: to see the manager, and then cracking the guy up

923
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: so much that he just had to let us in.

924
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: I remember afternoons wandering six Flags, so scared to talk

925
00:49:55,760 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: to girls, but Chris would talk to anyone everyone, so

926
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: by the time our moms picked us up, we'd have

927
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: phone numbers and pen pals. There's this thing that guys

928
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: used to say, not anymore, not in my circles, at

929
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: least bros before Hose, and I know that's cringe these days,

930
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: like Maldonado using the old F word, and rightfully so.

931
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: But it's also true that in nineteen ninety five I

932
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: might have flinched at those words, but not at the sentiment.

933
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 1: I was a love sick teenager always heartbroken, always wanting

934
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: a relationship or a mourning one. Having a friend, a

935
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: guy who was there for you was kind of a

936
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: matter of survival. He'd tell you it's okay you don't

937
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: fit in, it's okay you can't play sports, or that

938
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: people treat you differently because you're an actor on a

939
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:54,439
Speaker 1: kid's show. A friend who tell you she's psycho you're

940
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: better off without her, or even just chicks man. That

941
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: was a friend that I thought I needed. Sometimes I'm

942
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: sure I was that friend for someone else. Even now,

943
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: when I think about Willow in nineteen ninety eight, I

944
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 1: can see she was honoring a bro code by not

945
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: telling me that Chris was mister Wrong, the one who

946
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 1: got her pregnant. She was protecting my friendship with Chris,

947
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: protecting me knowing that I was in love with her,

948
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: that it would hurt me to find out that the

949
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: two of them were seeing each other behind my back.

950
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: I called this show the Red Weather because I thought

951
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,720
Speaker 1: there was something reckless and potentially damaging in the nonconformity

952
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: of my parents' generation. How Like the drunken sailor with

953
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: a dream, they broke from consensus ran off into the woods.

954
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: Walked around naked, worshiped trees, did drugs. But now I

955
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: think they didn't go far enough because for all the

956
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: unique parts of my town, my friends, in the end,

957
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: Anna's murder was a pretty pretty story. There's a tendency

958
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 1: to look back at history and think we get smarter,

959
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: more sophisticated. That people used to be gullible, naive products

960
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: of their time starting communes, using lead gasoline, or you know,

961
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: believing slavery was tenable, and we like to think of

962
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: ourselves as past that we've gotten better, we see more

963
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:28,479
Speaker 1: clearly now we've somehow escaped the bubble. But I didn't

964
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 1: even know my own friends. And I'm not talking about Chris,

965
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: I mean Anna and Willow. It pains me to think

966
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: how they have figured in this podcast. At various times

967
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: victim muse enigma prop even with the best intentions, I

968
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: built stories around them, eclipsing them. It's not really that

969
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: different from the way Chris once had a fantasy of

970
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: hopping in a car with the girl of his dreams.

971
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: She would fix it, she would make it better, which

972
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: is why I think I wanted to come to Panama.

973
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: So this place wasn't some abstract thing in my head,

974
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: not an idea whose meaning only grows in relationship to

975
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: my life, to stories that I tell myself. But real Sam,

976
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: real Water working a little here too, finishing up that script. Finally,

977
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: Alex is glad I'm back to fiction, to made up monsters.

978
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: We were walking down the road last night, along the

979
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: main drag here and I saw something a bakery that

980
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: Willow had mentioned in her letter. She had this crazy

981
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: story about an argument and if she got into with

982
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: this ex pat who was trying to bring cronuts to

983
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: Bocus del Toro. I started recording a voice memo on

984
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Speaker 1: my phone because I realized it could make a great

985
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: ending to this podcast. It would bookend these episodes with

986
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: Willow's letter, and it would offer the opposite from where

987
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: I started, something fun, lighthearted from her life. But then

988
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: I thought about how Willow wrote a letter to me,

989
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: labeled it, stamped it, sealed it, and I shut my

990
00:54:12,480 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: phone over. The Red Weather was written and directed by

991
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 1: Ryder Strong, sound engineering, editing and mixing by Bo Milkus,

992
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 1: produced by Tess Bartholomew. Executive producers of iHeartRadio, Trevor Young

993
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 1: and Matt Frederick. Associate producer Bo milkis original score composed

994
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: and performed by Kyle Morton and featuring the sound of

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Speaker 1: Body Makes by Kyle and Ben Morton. The Red Weather

996
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Speaker 1: Stars me Rider Strong with Alexander Barretto and Indy king

997
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: Lynn and Shiloh Strong as themselves. Chris Wilde was Chris Delveccio,

998
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: Lenisa Frederick was Monica Tremblaine. John Wertis was Sheriff Maldonado.

999
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: Rachel Marsh was Anna Trainor. Heidi Soulzman was Laney Trainer.

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00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: Chris Lemke was l Rick Lyte, Kelley low Dennis was

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00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: Sheriff Grace Lachlan Travis Schultz was Thomas Greer. Leif Gantford

1002
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: was Mick Bowden, al Vicente was Andres. Adam Stillwell was Sparks.

1003
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,760
Speaker 1: Adam Bush was Howard Tripp. Lindsay Phoenix was Julie Tess.

1004
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: Bartholomew was Fiona and Logan Bartholomew was Ury Donnenfeld. Ashley

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Speaker 1: Platts was the Pine Cone waitress. Henry Dittman was the

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Speaker 1: news announcer. Sarah mcgeligate was the news anchor. Thelma Sugui

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Speaker 1: was the protest news anchor. Zane Reuben was front desk woman.

1008
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: Jessica Da Vaughnville was front desk attendant, Sheila June Azeem

1009
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Speaker 1: was Lachlan's assistant, and Eric Luminarius was the bodyguard. In Kent,

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Speaker 1: the Police Officer Special thanks to Ocean Green, Sean Fox,

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Speaker 1: Nathan Sackett, Aaron Grayle, Toby Lawless, Amy Sugarman, Danielle Fischer,

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Speaker 1: Chris Levetus, Joshua Malkin, Paul Gandersmith, John Flynn, Yorke, Todd

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Speaker 1: Goldberg and Elaine and Andrew of Cathay eighty six in

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Speaker 1: Eagle Rock, and a very special thanks to all my

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Speaker 1: friends and family who lent their time, their voices and

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Speaker 1: their stores. Thank you for listening.

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Speaker 7: We hope you enjoyed the show.