1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live to New York, Gloomberg eleventh to Washington, d C, 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: Bloomberg to Boston, Bloomberg twelve hunds to San Francisco, Bloomberg 3 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: to the Country Channel one ninety and around the globe 4 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg Radiolus, Bloomberg dot Com. This is Bloomberg Surveillance. 5 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: Good morning. It is seven thirty on Wall Street and 6 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: Michael McKay along with Tom Keenes and news here Freeport 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: mcmaren uh. They're trying to pay down debts, so they're 8 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: going to sell off a copper mine in the Democratic 9 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: Republic of Congo. The buyer China molybdenum. Two point six 10 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: billion dollars is the price tag. Lending Club announced this 11 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: morning that the founder of the company and the CEO, 12 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: Ronald Laplanche, resigned internal review of loan sales to a 13 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: single investor apparently did not turn out, while President Scott 14 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: Sanborn is going to be the acting CEO and HCP 15 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: is gonna spend offense. HCR manicer portfolio of skilled nursing 16 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: and assisted living assets, gonna make it a publicly traded reat. 17 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: It will own more than three properties earning an annual 18 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,839 Speaker 1: rent of four hundred eighty five million dollars. The company 19 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: says h CP is going to focus on high growth 20 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: healthcare going forward. Let's check it with Michael barn Now 21 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: get the latest world and national headlines. Mike, thank you 22 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: very much. Today, as the deadline set by the US 23 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: Justice Department for North Carolina Governor Pat mccruary to declare 24 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: he will not try to enforce a new law limiting 25 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: protections for LGBT people, McCrary says it is common sense 26 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: legislation and accused Washington of being a bully, stands could 27 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 1: risk federal funding and lead to a federal lawsuit. Fire 28 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: officials in Alberta, Canada, are hoping that cooler temperatures and 29 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: light rain forecast for the next few days will help 30 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: them get the upper hand on a raging wildfire that 31 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: has burned almost four hundred thousand acres. Much of the 32 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: town of Fort McMurray has been blackened. Chad Morrison is 33 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: with Alberta Wildlife, our first priority is human life and 34 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: communities and uh, we're gonna always put our air tankers 35 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: and our firefighters there to protect that as our first priority. Meanwhile, 36 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: a member of parliament who has toured Fort. McMurray says 37 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 1: the town's hospital, schools, and treatment plant are still functioning. 38 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: Trusury Secretary Jacob Blue travels to Puerto Rico today as 39 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: part of the Obama administration's campaign the pressure Congress to 40 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: come up with a solution for the U S territories 41 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: debt crisis. Global News twenty four hours a day, powered 42 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 1: by our twenty four hundred journalists more than a hundred 43 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: fifty news bureaus from around the world. I'm michaelu Bar Mike, 44 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: thank you very much. Time now for the land Rover 45 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: Partipani Bluemberg NBC Sports Update. Here's John Stasha, Thanks Mike. 46 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: After getting swept last weekend in Boston, the Yankees were 47 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: open to turn the tables at the stadium. Unable to 48 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: complete the sweet last night, losing five to one. Everyone 49 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: on our home run two solo shots by David Ortiz, 50 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: Dustin Pedroia two one shot before the first out of 51 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: the night. The only Yankee run a ninth inning homer 52 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: by Brett Gardner. Stephen Wright complete game three hitter for Boston, 53 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: while Luis Severino lost again is now owing five Yanks 54 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: and Royals tonight. Or Aldus Chapman can make his debut. 55 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: His thirty games suspension has ended Metzo in l A. 56 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: After two losses in San Diego, they came back in 57 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: salvn to split, winning four to three. Another homer for 58 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: un A. Sesspenis is eleventh, leads the league in RBIs 59 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: Matt Harvey ten strikeouts for the win. That's it for 60 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: the Islanders, a season that had their first playoff series 61 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: win in twenty three years. They took Game one of 62 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: Tampa Babe. They lost the next four games, the lightning 63 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: end of the Aisle season yesterday for to nothing. Tampa 64 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: Bay back in the East Finals, where last year they 65 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: took out the Rangers. Cleveland has reached the NBA's East Finals, 66 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: still without a postseason lost this year one hundred to 67 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: ninety nine in Atlanta, forty one point for Kevin Durant. 68 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: Last night, Oklahoma City pulled away from San Antonio one 69 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: nineties seven time that series at two with the Bloomberg 70 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: NBC Sports Upcake, I'm John Stamp Channa thank you John 71 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: Listen Uh just a moment ago. The Tribune Publishing Company 72 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: doesn't want Gonnet to continue their efforts to buy the company. 73 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: They've adopted a shareholder rights plan, would issue more stock 74 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: if somebody gets of the stock, So we'll see how 75 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: that plays out. This morning. Tribune trying to fend off gnnet. 76 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg surveillance. I'm Michael mckeey. We are seeing 77 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: shares higher this morning. SMP features up, six down, futures up. 78 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: The stock six hundred is four points higher in Europe today, 79 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: So sort of global rally underway the first trading day 80 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: after the jobs report. 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Security personnel determined 109 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: Menzio was not a credible threat. That's this morning's Bloomberg 110 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: and j I. T. Stanard. Yeah, and it was also 111 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: true that he looked for it. He's Italian. Oh so 112 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: guess what you half the world has gotten very very strange, 113 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: Bob Mood. Thank you very much. All right. It is 114 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: the argument of the moment, do you fight the FED 115 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 1: or not? The bond market seems to think FED is 116 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: not credible when FED officials say they are in line 117 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: to raise rates in June if the economy continues on 118 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: its current path. Ian Shepherdson is the founder of Chief 119 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: Economist and Pantheon macro Economics and I and it's kind 120 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: of fascinating to me because the old rule was don't 121 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: fight the FED. But now the folks on trading desks 122 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: seem to be saying, uh, the will fight the bond 123 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: market if FED doesn't know what it's talking about. Yeah, 124 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: I've got some sympathy with both of them. Actually. Part 125 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: of the problem here, of course, is at the FED 126 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: is pretty split itself. You know, we have some fairly 127 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: well known consistent hawks, and we've got some fairly well 128 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: known and consistent doves. And then we got the waivers 129 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,239 Speaker 1: in the middle, who got a lot of media at tension, 130 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: and some of whom really like to talk to the 131 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: media a lot. So we're getting an awful lot of 132 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: what appeared to be conflicting signals coming out of the 133 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: FED all at the same time, and so the market says, Okay, 134 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: we're just gonna choose not to listen to this. We're 135 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: gonna listen to the short term data, which so far 136 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: this year have been pretty weak U and decide that 137 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: it's not going to do anything. And until there's a 138 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: real sea change in that data, which I think is 139 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: coming but hasn't happened yet, then I think we get 140 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: you know, there's continued noise from the fad is effectively 141 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: being ignored by markets who just choose to go their 142 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: own way. Well, what's your view, Which camp would you 143 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: fall into? Well? I think I probably put myself in 144 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: the consistent or hawk is camp at the moment because 145 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: I don't believe the economy slowed as much as the 146 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: VP data showed in the first quarter. I think the 147 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: data are very flawed. We've got a very persistent season 148 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: adjustin problem tends to depress the first quarter, and then 149 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: we've got a much better Q two and we're going 150 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,559 Speaker 1: to get that this year again. I think the labor 151 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: data really are telling much more of the truth and 152 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: what's going on there is that the peril numbers are 153 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: still pretty strong. I know Friday's number wasn't great, but 154 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: it wasn't bad either, And the wage numbers are accelerating now. 155 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: Two and a half percent wage growth is not exciting, 156 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: but when there's very little productivity growth as we've had 157 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: for the last few years, actually two and a half 158 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: percent wage growth is beginning to emerge a something of 159 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 1: a threat to the Fed's inflation target. So I think 160 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: that they should be thinking about moving in June. I 161 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,719 Speaker 1: don't think they will, but I think they're going to 162 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: get a bit further behind every meeting they choose to pass. Well, 163 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: one of the things that pretty much all of them 164 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: have said is we could move in June. It's a 165 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: live meeting, but we may be deterred by the possibility 166 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: of the Brexit vote. If the polls suggest it's a 167 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: close vote, we may want to wait. Do you see that. 168 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: I think they're right to do that, actually, if the 169 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: polls are very close as the referendum approaches, because unfortunately, 170 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: a Brexit vote has the potential to to blow up 171 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: the whole of ear of political structures, effectively overnight. Um, 172 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: And that's an enormous risk. And it's eight days after 173 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: the June meeting. So well, I just said that on 174 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:19,599 Speaker 1: economic grounds, I think the Fed should be hiking and 175 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: should have hiked further already. I think probably if I 176 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: win their shoes, I probably take a pass in June, 177 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: unless the polls are clearly showing that the UK will 178 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: vote to remain, because the unknowns here are just enormous 179 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: and the risk of a gigantic market reaction just cannot 180 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: be ruled out. And so you know, given that the 181 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 1: wage numbers are two and a half and not three 182 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: and a half or four, probably waiting a couple of 183 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 1: months afterwards it would be a safer option. The in 184 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: Shepherdson is with us from Pantheon macro Economics. Will continue 185 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: our conversation with him and talk more about what's going 186 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: on in the US and also Europe and get maybe 187 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: his views on Premier League. Um. You know, you sort 188 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: of have to ask everybody who's British these days what 189 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: they think. It's It's obligatory, isn't it. Right now we're 190 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: looking at a bond market. As I said, it isn't 191 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: really in tune with the Fed one point seven six 192 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: percent is your tenure note yield that's down a basis point, 193 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: five year one point to one, down two basis points, 194 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: and the two year is at seventy two basis points. 195 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: That's also a basis point lower. The curve has moved 196 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: lower after the job's report a hundred and sixty thousand jobs, 197 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: as the market seems to ignore the idea that we 198 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: might be seeing some wage inflation. The interesting thing, though, 199 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: is the folks who trade currencies feel the opposite. The 200 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: dollar index is higher by two tenths of a percent today, 201 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: and futures and the equity markets are higher, with SMP 202 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: futures up six points three tenths of a percent and 203 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: DOWN futures up forty seven. That's a three tents game 204 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: as well. This is Bloomberk surveillance. You're listening to Bloomberg Radio. 205 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: Bloomberks Avalance has brought you by Commonwealth Financial Network. When 206 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 1: it's time to change the conversation, talk with a broker dealer. 207 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: Are I a that's ready to listen? 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Snb emity futures up five points, now, eveny 227 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: futures up forty one, NAZ documity futures up twelve the 228 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: decks in Germany's at one point nine percent ten year 229 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: treasury of three thirty seconds, he yield one point seven 230 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: six percent yield on the two year point seven two 231 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: percent Nimex screwt oil of nine ten percent or forty 232 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: cents to forty five oh six of Airol Comax goal 233 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: down one point four percent or eighteen dollars thirty cents 234 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: at twelve seventy five seventy announced the euro at other 235 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: thirteen eighty three the end one oh eight point to seven. 236 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: That's a Bloomberg business flash, Tom, and my very good Karen, 237 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: thank you so much. Ian Shepherdson with us some pantheon. 238 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: It's wonderful to have him on because when he was 239 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: a child, if he didn't do his micro economics, his 240 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: parents would say, Ian, if you don't do your micro 241 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 1: you're going to the Castle keep or the black Gate. 242 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: We will chain you to the Black Gate of Newcastle 243 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: two hundred seventy six miles dead north of London, two 244 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: hundred seventy six months closer to Scotland than London. I 245 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: would suggest, Ian, it's wonderful to talk to you about Brexit. 246 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: How does brexit play two hundred and seventy six miles 247 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: away from the elites in London. Well, where you gotta 248 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: remember about the northeast of England is that it's the 249 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: only part of Britain that runs a trade surplus, and 250 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: the big reason why it runs a trade surplus is 251 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 1: that there is an enormous Nissan motor manufacturing plant located 252 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: just in the middle of our region, near the town 253 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: of Sundland and um as a result, where kind of 254 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: fit keen in this region staying in the EU because 255 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: that's where most of those vehicles go. UM and looking 256 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: from outside, from outside London, things are very different EU 257 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: and Austrial policy. The access of the Single market has 258 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: been usually important for the north pilingment. So I think 259 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: we'll be voting to stay in color away from the 260 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: media simplicity, and we're guilty of that in the United 261 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: States with Mr Sanders and Mr Trump, the impact of 262 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: elites in the many other regions and characters of the 263 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: United Kingdom. I get the idea the elites are at 264 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: ten Downing Street in seventeen other fancy restaurants in West London. 265 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: Are the elites dominant in the rest of the United Kingdom. No, 266 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: it's very different what tends to happen in in the 267 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: far fling bits of the country is that it's dominated 268 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: by local politics rather than the national scenes. So in 269 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: the Northeast has always been a stronghold of the Labor Party, 270 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: still is after the elections last week, UM and the 271 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: local politicians in the Northeast are very keen on remaining 272 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: in the EU. But we also have lots of our 273 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: own problems because we're you know, the regions are constantly 274 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: at log aheads with London, which sucks in all the 275 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: resources and all the talent and distorts the overall picture 276 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: of the economy. So you know, it's it's very similar 277 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: supposed to the impact that the major cities have in 278 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: the US. How New York State upstate is very different 279 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: to New York City. Well, it's kind of the same 280 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: between the north and south of England. We were talking 281 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: to just before the break about the FED maybe wanting 282 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: to be on hold to measure the impact of the 283 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: Brexit vote. What would in your view be the results 284 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: should the British vote to leave, Well, how would it 285 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: affect the rest of the world. Yeah, well, it would 286 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: depend on a number of factors, which at the moment 287 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: are completely unknowable that the first is what happens in 288 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: the UK after a vote, because the chances are that 289 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: only the south East of England will will vote to leave, 290 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: Scotland will vote to stay in, Northern Ireland will vote 291 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: to stay in, the North of England will the West 292 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: of England will Wales will vote to stay in. So 293 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: we have one part of the country dictating policy to 294 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: everywhere else, which is going to trigger I think another 295 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: referendent to Scotland. Um Scotland if it then becomes independent, 296 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: and I think it would would then want to be 297 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: in the EU. But that raises alsos of problems for 298 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: other countries in the EU which have their own secessionist areas, 299 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: like Spain, with with Catalonia, possibly Italy as well. So 300 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: it causes enormous problems for the rest of the EU, 301 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: which already is suffered a huge resurgence of the right 302 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: wing nationalists kind of the European trumpions if you like, 303 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: and and European politics are very fractioned, very febrile at 304 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: the moment, and the UK vote to leave is going 305 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: to make all of those problems much much worse, both 306 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: immediately and and in the medium term. And I think 307 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: the reason why this this frightens the US so much, 308 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: and they clearly frightened President Obama enough to make a 309 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: trip to London to beg us all to vote to 310 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: stay in is the threat that this potentially poses to 311 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: NATO and the other European security structures. And I think 312 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: one of the questions that British people need to ask 313 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: themselves when they decide how to vote is what does 314 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin want? I'll tell you what he wants. He 315 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: wants us to leave. Now, that's probably the best single 316 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: reason I can think of to vote to stay because 317 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: he knows perfectly well that the breakup of the eu 318 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: UM is an existential threat to NATO as well, and 319 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: that's a terrifying prospect. And I think it's not widely 320 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: appreciated here that it's not just about economics when we 321 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: choose how to vote, what's we are told over and 322 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: over again. We saw this with Scotland that the polls 323 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: are not not very accurate. What what's the economic reason 324 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: for leaving? And how is that selling? Well? It really 325 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: isn't a very strong case. The case for lieving the 326 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: idea is that we will negotiate wonderful trade deals with 327 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: everybody else, unfettered by the rules that we have to 328 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: stick to as part of the EU, that everyone else 329 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: will be the path to our door and they'll do 330 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: great deals with us. That's essentially it that that's the 331 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: economic case for leaving only UM it doesn't really make sense. Uh. 332 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: You know, the the European Union UM as a whole 333 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: runs a surplus of the UK, but seven European countries 334 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: run deficits, and I don't think they're going to be 335 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: very keen to do a deal with US, which have 336 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: to be unanimous. The US. Well, Obama said a couple 337 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: of weeks ago that we'd be at the back of 338 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: the line to trade deals, and of course you would 339 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: because they have to pass Congress, which isn't very trendy 340 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: towards trade deals right now. So I think the case 341 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: for leaving is a lot of nationalist flag waving and 342 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: not much economic sense. And that is separate from our economics. 343 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 1: If we have quote unquote nationalist flag waving, whether it's 344 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: in the United Kingdom of the United States, I'm going 345 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: to suggest, Mr Shepherdson, it's the it's the outcome of 346 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: tep phenomenal GDP teper economic growth and prospects. What is 347 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: the level of economic growth that will get America back 348 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: on an even keel. Well, we've got to get out 349 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: of this two and into three. And what we have 350 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 1: to do, um, how do we get that? Well, we 351 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: need to see a recovery in capital spending, which would 352 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: support then stronger income growth, faster productivity growth, and rising 353 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: having standards. And that's really been missing. It's been particularly 354 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: acutely missing over the last year or so because we've 355 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: seen a gigantic collapse in capital spending in the oil business. 356 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: Outside the old business, it's holding up o, but we 357 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: need to do better than okay. And one of the 358 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: great debates that we're having now among economists is where 359 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: the higher interest rates might actually make that situation better 360 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: rather than worse. Because, of course, the standard textbook would 361 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: tell you if you raise rates, you're going to do 362 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: press capital spending. But what if by raising rates we 363 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: put a more sensible price on capital. Money is no 364 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: longer free, so businesses have to think harder about how 365 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: they allocate it. They have to stop doing crazy things 366 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: like digging oil wells which don't produce anything, which we 367 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: did for several years, they have to make much more 368 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: hard nose decisions, and maybe we get better decisions. We 369 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: we we we changed the environment by putting a price 370 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,479 Speaker 1: on capital, by putting interest rates at something like a 371 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: normal sort of level, and take away one of these 372 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: enormous distortions. The problem is that nobody knows if this 373 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: is true or not. It might be, but the only 374 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: way you find out is by actually doing it. Because 375 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: the other strand of that argument is that by raising 376 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: rates as that would be signaling to everybody, businesses, individuals, 377 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: everybody that the economy is in better shape and normalizing, 378 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: and maybe that spurs spending as well, because now what 379 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: we get is a constant wall of Fed officials saying 380 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: things are terrible. We've got to be cautious, too risky, 381 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: can't raise rates. Well, you know, if you're hearing that 382 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: all the time from the Central Bank, how do you respond, Well, 383 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: you don't take risk, you don't spend money, you don't invest, 384 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: and that's what's happening. What do you see with the 385 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: American consumer? Mean you talk about don't spend money? Mike, 386 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: did you see any eight percent off signs on the 387 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: way to work this morning? I'm seeing many fifty percent off. 388 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: I mean, what's the state of the consumer if I'm 389 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: seeing everywhere well overall, it's okay. I mean, consumer sentiment 390 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: is hanging in there. What's happened over the last year 391 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: or so is that people have chosen so far not 392 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: to spend all the wind for from falling gas prices, 393 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: spend some of it, but not all of it. Um 394 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 1: that's not hugely unusual. When you get such a gigantic 395 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: shift in energy prices, it does take a while for 396 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: people to realize that actually, it's probably going to be 397 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: sustained for some time, and so it's safe to spend it. 398 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: And I think we're seeing that now because we're seeing 399 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: things like rising mortgage applications, which is a sign that 400 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: people are willing to make financial commitments. Maybe they're using 401 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: some of that cash flow to increase the size of 402 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: their mortgage, to put an addition on now something like that. 403 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 1: Those are the sort of decisions that you make. Overnight 404 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: gas prices fall for a month, you don't make that decision. 405 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: But if they fall for eighteen months, it's a different story. 406 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: So I wonder whether over the next year or so 407 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: we might see that saving right come back down again. 408 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: It's gone up clearly, but if it comes back down again, 409 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: we'll see stronger consumption and if we add into that 410 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: mixed stronger capex because finally the oil sector capital spending 411 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: them as their hitting bottom. Now they can't go any 412 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: lower um, so we're gonna lose that drag. We gained 413 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: something from the consumer and also we gained something from 414 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: the weaker dollar, which is already listing export orders. We 415 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: can see that in the surveys. Put it all together, 416 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 1: maybe that gets us nearer to three than two, and 417 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: that really does transform what's happening to living standards if 418 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: we can sustain that. Ian Shefferdson, thank you so much, 419 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: an American on UK economics and on his Newcastle he 420 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: is with Pantheon. Newcastle and Sunderland are the two teams 421 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: in his area. And they didn't have a very good 422 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: season in the league. They're going to be playing in 423 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: the Champions League. Oh they get is that relegated? That's 424 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: called do fed governors or presidents get relegated? Look at 425 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: the speech count Dudley, Mester Rosen Green, George Williams. Which 426 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: one matters, Michael McKee, Dudley obviously the others, a lot 427 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: of them leaning towards a June move from New York. 428 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: Bloomberg surveillance