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Speaker 1: Oh Joe. The headlines the Buccaneers informed rookie Shiloh Sanders
Speaker 1: today that he's being waved. His agent Yoursenhouse Robert Bailey,
Speaker 1: a former teammate of mine with the Ravens added, we're
Speaker 1: hoping he'd get claimed waivers. O Joe, Yeah, where do
Speaker 1: you think Shiloh will land?
Speaker 3: You know what, I'm not sure where we're laying. There's
Speaker 3: some teams out there that can use some depth, especially
Speaker 3: at the safety position. I'm not sure what the Bengals
Speaker 3: look like in the in the in the in the secondary.
Speaker 3: I think Steelers can can add. The Saints can add
Speaker 3: to to their to their secondary as well. Uh, he's
Speaker 3: gonna get claim where he gets claimed, I'm not sure
Speaker 3: what that would be yet. Listen. For one, he has
Speaker 3: Austin representation in Robert Bailey and j rosen House. Obviously
Speaker 3: they represented me while I was playing my tenure. So
Speaker 3: he will get picked up. Where he gets picked up,
Speaker 3: I'm not sure, but he has the right person in
Speaker 3: his corner to make sure he gets another opportunity to
Speaker 3: the game that he loves.
Speaker 1: Sometimes your last name can be a blessing and a curse.
Speaker 1: It's not normal that free agents have breaking news that
Speaker 1: they're being released. He's an undrafted free agent and because
Speaker 1: his name is Sanders. The blessing and the curse. People say, well, young,
Speaker 1: he only got an opportunity because his last name is Sanders.
Speaker 2: I haven't. I mean, maybe you.
Speaker 1: Can recall the last time an undrafted free agent it
Speaker 1: was breaking news that he was getting released, getting made,
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be, Go ahead, o't.
Speaker 3: You anytime it's a rookie, especially an undrafted rookie. The
Speaker 3: only time they make the news, uncles, when they get
Speaker 3: in trouble, right, is there an arrest of some sort
Speaker 3: anything coming out of college where they've gotten in trouble.
Speaker 3: But that's pretty much it. Because of the last name
Speaker 3: is why it's breaking news. And it just it's like
Speaker 3: you said, uncle, it's a gift and the curse.
Speaker 1: Yep, And I just you know, hey, you sit back
Speaker 1: and you reflected, and you're like, Okay, it didn't work
Speaker 1: out here. Maybe somebody gives me an opportunity, it works
Speaker 1: out somewhere else. You don't know. This is the first
Speaker 1: time that Shallow has been told he's not good enough.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's been a phenomenal player. Obviously, he got
Speaker 1: his first start with the University of South Carolina. He
Speaker 1: got a D one scholarship his father gets the job
Speaker 1: at Jackson State, he goes and joins his father and
Speaker 1: his brother at Jackson, and then when his dad gets
Speaker 1: the head coaching job at CU, he follows. You know,
Speaker 1: the two sons follow their dad there. This is the
Speaker 1: very first time, and it's really hard because think about it,
Speaker 1: ought Joe. I think he's twenty four, twenty five, and
Speaker 1: for the first time in twenty four to twenty five years, somebody.
Speaker 2: Has told you you're not good enough.
Speaker 1: Now, it's one thing, if you know, you get cut
Speaker 1: from your high school team, you get cut from your
Speaker 1: junior varsity team, or something like that. He's twenty five.
Speaker 1: But think about it. Think about this, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: I mean, for the first time of your life, you're
Speaker 1: in your mid twenties before somebody ever tells, someone ever
Speaker 1: utters to you you're not good enough. Forget forget it
Speaker 1: be a sport, maybe it's a job, maybe it's something,
Speaker 1: but to be told you're not good enough because your
Speaker 1: whole life you've dreamed about being an NFL player, or
Speaker 1: your whole like your dream job, whatever the case that
Speaker 1: may be, You've dreamed about holding this dream job. And
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden they're like, you're not good enough.
Speaker 1: Per Yahoo Sports, we're told that Buccaneers enjoyed having Shiloh
Speaker 1: in the building, viewing the son of Dion Sanders as
Speaker 1: a good kid who at all times of respectful to everyone.
Speaker 1: Shiloh could, in theory signed with the Bucks practice squad
Speaker 1: after clearing waivers. The bigger question is whether he's good
Speaker 1: enough to compete and play at an NFL level. That's
Speaker 1: always the case, that's what you way, oh cho, because
Speaker 1: if you bring somebody back on the practice squad, you're saying,
Speaker 1: with a year under our belt, with a year under
Speaker 1: his belt and our system developing, we think he can
Speaker 1: develop into a player that could play for us get offense, defense,
Speaker 1: and maybe he's just a backup. Maybe hey, they pay
Speaker 1: backups just in case people do know they do pay
Speaker 1: backups in the NFL.
Speaker 2: And you know, he can be a special a special teams.
Speaker 1: Player, punt punt return, kickoff, kickoff return, maybe he could
Speaker 1: be whatever the case may be. Now that's what the
Speaker 1: Bucks organization, that's what they have to weigh. Todd Bowles
Speaker 1: and that staff. I forget the general manager. I just
Speaker 1: reading something the other day about the general manager because
Speaker 1: he was talking about, what's the linebacker they let go?
Speaker 1: H he was LSU. They ended up letting him go
Speaker 1: and he would go to Philly. Now he's found a home.
Speaker 1: I think it's at the Texans, maybe the Raiders, whatever
Speaker 1: the case may be. But I just saw his I
Speaker 1: just saw his name. That's what you have to That's
Speaker 1: that's what you're up against. You got sixteen spots, so
Speaker 1: that's a lot of people that you can bring in
Speaker 1: all those sixteen players.
Speaker 3: Oh yo.
Speaker 1: Basically, we're saying that we believe with another year in
Speaker 1: our systems offense or defense, we think down the line,
Speaker 1: he just need a little bit more time to develop.
Speaker 1: We think this kid might turn into a pretty good
Speaker 1: player for us. Absolutely, let's let's let's take another look
Speaker 1: at him. Let's let's let's let's get a let's get
Speaker 1: a bird's eye view. Let's stay with m let's stay
Speaker 1: with him for a year, and let's see what kind
Speaker 1: of player he turns into.
Speaker 2: So hopefully that's something.
Speaker 1: If he doesn't get claim dof waivers, hopefully he gets
Speaker 1: an opportunity, either it's the bugs or someone gives him
Speaker 1: an opportunity, because maybe he just needs another year to develop.
Speaker 1: Into an NFL player. Maybe that's the case. Maybe it
Speaker 1: isn't everybody. Everybody that particular dream, everybody doesn't get to
Speaker 1: realize it.
Speaker 2: Oo because but you know what, my.
Speaker 1: Brother had a very interesting take on a dream. He said,
Speaker 1: you know what a dream is, O choe, a dream
Speaker 1: that comes true. He says, it's a gift to yourself.
Speaker 1: M A dream is a gift to yourself. You I
Speaker 1: had very similar dreams. I need to play in the NFL.
Speaker 1: There are no other options. I didn't have a plan,
Speaker 1: but I got my degree. But my plan ABC all
Speaker 1: the way through Z was go play in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And my determining factor was to get my family out
Speaker 1: of the situation. Now, my brother gave us a head start,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't. That wasn't good enough for me.
Speaker 2: He did it.
Speaker 1: I never thought there was nothing that my brother ever
Speaker 1: did that I didn't think I could do, not one thing.
Speaker 1: He's like, I like, he went to college. But I
Speaker 1: know I could go to college even though I wasn't
Speaker 1: a student that he was. He applied himself. I never
Speaker 1: applied myself. I was, you know, hey, I got this
Speaker 1: god given ability. I'll be extremely talented. That'll get me
Speaker 1: by it's an amazing I think it's amazing when I
Speaker 1: see kids that come from lineage like a time, like
Speaker 1: a a Clay Matthews senior, like a Bruce Matthews son
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning. When your your father has something and you
Speaker 1: still have a burning desire to get it for yourself,
Speaker 1: that's very impressive to me coming from our situations.
Speaker 2: Oh, Joe, it's easy to be motivated. Oh yeah, yeah, being.
Speaker 1: Hungry, being hot, being cold, it's easy being rained on.
Speaker 2: It's easy to develop motivation.
Speaker 1: But what happens when you have none of those extenuating circumstances.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta want it. You got to want it.
Speaker 3: You gotta be self motivated too. And you got to
Speaker 3: understand when you when you have fathers that played in
Speaker 3: the NFL that were very, very good, not just you
Speaker 3: know you're regularly the average players. Then also as a
Speaker 3: child having to live up to that hype, the comparison
Speaker 3: of your father, you're not being as good as your
Speaker 3: father just yet may be, but sometime the pressures of
Speaker 3: having to live up to in the shadow of a
Speaker 3: father that was extremely good, that is craft can also
Speaker 3: it can be demoralizing at times. Yes, I'm focus and
Speaker 3: locked in. I mean a great example of one one
Speaker 3: of the players who was able to do it too.
Speaker 3: Taroll Owen's son, you know, I'm sure he's had to
Speaker 3: deal with all the all the outside noise. But having
Speaker 3: a father like too, that's going to make sure you're
Speaker 3: prepared for all the nonsens that comes with. Don't worry
Speaker 3: about trying to be me, just be you. Just be
Speaker 3: thats Tariq Owens that you can be. Hell this past weekend,
Speaker 3: what do you do? Scored the pops? You know, put you.
Speaker 2: Through the abo.
Speaker 3: That has to be one of the greatest feelings in
Speaker 3: the world. To have a son to open a mat
Speaker 3: or a daughter, whatever respective craft it is that they
Speaker 3: do or choose to be in that there has to
Speaker 3: be a dope, dope feeling.
Speaker 2: Of course. I think the thing is ojo.
Speaker 1: The biggest thing is is are you living in your parents'
Speaker 1: shadow or are you embracing it?
Speaker 3: That's a good one. That's a good one. I would
Speaker 3: never force my child to do anything they don't want
Speaker 3: to do. I would never force my child to do anything. Listen.
Speaker 3: I would love I would love it. You know. If
Speaker 3: you want to play football, so be it, but it's
Speaker 3: nothing that would ever force you to do.
Speaker 1: You know why force you to do it? You know
Speaker 1: why because playing football was your dream. You don't know
Speaker 1: if that's their dream. See a lot of time when
Speaker 1: people force their kid to do something, they're living vicariously
Speaker 1: through the child. Now, I'm not saying in all situations,
Speaker 1: because I think everybody wants their child to be successful
Speaker 1: that his or her chosen path. But a lot of
Speaker 1: times we see the behavior and people kids thinking about now, oh,
Speaker 1: my son going to the NFL, my son is gonna
Speaker 1: be a major League baseball player, my son gonna be
Speaker 1: a basketball player. Let the kid. Let a kid be
Speaker 1: a kid. You're not supposed to look at your child
Speaker 1: as a paycheck. You're not supposed to look at your
Speaker 1: child as the way out.
Speaker 3: That's a good one. That's a good one. Or you're
Speaker 3: not supposed to live vicariously through your child because you
Speaker 3: weren't able to achieve the dreams that you.
Speaker 1: You couldn't do it, So now you're gonna put that ay.
Speaker 1: Hopefully the child embraces and wants to be that whatever
Speaker 1: he or she chooses, and then you nudge them along
Speaker 1: in that direction, don't ah just.
Speaker 2: What you want to do.
Speaker 1: And my son very early on is that Dad, that
Speaker 1: ain't this ain't me, This ain't what I want.
Speaker 3: I got a question, Yeah, a question for you now
Speaker 3: that we're talking about that. It's a great topic to
Speaker 3: talk about when you think about fathers like Joe Jackson,
Speaker 3: fathers like Tiger Woods, Yes, Serena, Vena and Venus. Dad
Speaker 3: beyond the father Yes, fathers that actually understood early on,
Speaker 3: this is what you guys need to do to be
Speaker 3: able to read success.
Speaker 1: You talk about prodigies though you talked about that, you
Speaker 1: talked about you talk about them, but.
Speaker 3: You got to understand as fathers, you never know that
Speaker 3: these prodigies are going to be what they turned out
Speaker 3: to be. You think he says, Dad understood that she
Speaker 3: would be one of the greatest of all time. I
Speaker 3: mean she known acquire you young Joe Jackson. You have talent,
Speaker 3: you have you have sons that are talented. You have
Speaker 3: to put them through the through the work to actually
Speaker 3: get to that clinical that you envisioned. So is that
Speaker 3: not almost like the same thing. They seeing something that
Speaker 3: they weren't able to accomplish, and they feel that their child,
Speaker 3: the kids should be able to be able to live
Speaker 3: about their dream.
Speaker 1: But if you go back and think about it, go
Speaker 1: back and listen to the parent. The kid was excited
Speaker 1: to get up the next day to go do it again.
Speaker 1: They never had to force the child to go do it.
Speaker 1: They never like, come on, Tiger, you got to get up.
Speaker 1: Tiger was four or five years old. He already had
Speaker 1: his bag, He was ready to go. Beyonce. They never
Speaker 1: had to drag Beyonce into rehearsals or say you need
Speaker 1: to practice.
Speaker 2: She was rare to go.
Speaker 1: Mike, he's with the Jackson five. We got a group,
Speaker 1: nice little group. Hey, and I'm sure, but and you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of times, you know, it's hard. Tiger had
Speaker 1: a very strained relationship with his father because the things
Speaker 1: that transpired in the household with his mom. We know
Speaker 1: Mike had a very troubled relationship with his father. He
Speaker 1: ended up finding his dad as soon as he left
Speaker 1: the group. I think in seventy nine fired his dad.
Speaker 1: All of them to end up finding their dad as
Speaker 1: the manager. So we understand, because but as a child,
Speaker 1: you don't understand that, O Joe, you don't you don't
Speaker 1: understand that he your parent, mom or dadd is trying
Speaker 1: to push you in a direction because they see something
Speaker 1: in you that you don't see yourself. But but the
Speaker 1: child has to want it because if he be he
Speaker 1: or she begrudgingly do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, when they get old enough, when they get
Speaker 3: the old enough to make their own decisions. All the
Speaker 3: birthings you put in and he don't go to waste
Speaker 3: because the child is gonna turn now, you know what?
Speaker 2: The same with that? That is what I want. We've
Speaker 2: seen we've seen them. Man.
Speaker 1: I just man, I ain't even want to play no
Speaker 1: more football. I ain't even want to play no more basketball.
Speaker 1: And that's and here's the thing. I saw somebody and
Speaker 1: he says, he said two things, motivation and discipline. When
Speaker 1: you're not motivated, are you disciplined enough to go do
Speaker 1: what you need to do?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Motivation, yeah, oh Joe, we are motivated, boy boy boy.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And the motivation is not there because you're not going
Speaker 1: to be motivated every single day, every single time. But
Speaker 1: will you be disciplined understanding and realizing what it takes
Speaker 1: to get to where you ultimately want to go?
Speaker 3: Two more examples, ball and what he did with the ball. Yes,
Speaker 3: A and aman Ros Saint Brown's father as well, A magic,
Speaker 3: great creed magic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he said, he say, hey, the boys a
Speaker 1: they wanted to be at the gym. Yes, it's easy
Speaker 1: when someone is motivated and they're disciplined, that's the easy
Speaker 1: that's the easiest person. Because you look at the greats.
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan is extremely talented, but look at the motivation,
Speaker 1: look at the discipline that he had. Look at Lebron,
Speaker 1: look at a Kobe.
Speaker 2: You look at the greats of the greats. Yes, not
Speaker 2: only are.
Speaker 1: They're extremely talented, they're extremely driven individuals.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about obsessed. Yeah. Yeah, Serena was obsessed.
Speaker 1: That's when you get when twenty thirty forty years from now,
Speaker 1: when we talk about some of the best, the best
Speaker 1: female tennis player, that's why she's always going to be
Speaker 1: mentioned because she was obsessed with it. Yes, she's ultimately
Speaker 1: talented to be able to for her to be able
Speaker 1: to move around the court like she could with that
Speaker 1: with that powerful forehand. Yeah, Federer, he's like he's on clouds,
Speaker 1: like he's he's ballet.
Speaker 2: He's beriching to cop with a bat with a racket.
Speaker 1: But we wish the best We wish the best for
Speaker 1: all these guys, but some of these Sally is going
Speaker 1: to come to an end. Some of these guys are
Speaker 1: not going to get what do we call it practice
Speaker 1: squad opportunities. Some of these guys, it's over. It's the
Speaker 1: end of the road, Ocho. But we got a new
Speaker 1: angle from the play yesterday in which your door threw
Speaker 1: a punch and was ended up being ejected. Shiloh said,
Speaker 1: you do Shiloh. Bill Zach Davidson grabbed the face mask
Speaker 1: of Shiloh after the whistle. So are we gonna show
Speaker 1: that we can't overstay NFL? Yeah, but what happened was
Speaker 1: after the play he ends up grabbing uh Shiloh's face
Speaker 1: mask and it looks like, you know, hey, you know
Speaker 1: how yo, I'm trying to get his hands off, and
Speaker 1: so hey, he won't let it go, So I take
Speaker 1: I take his wife.
Speaker 3: Ye, your buddy, you can't, you can't.
Speaker 2: And if you and the wide open yeah.
Speaker 3: And not even about being in the Who's joint practice,
Speaker 3: I understand a little scuffle in game preseason no matter
Speaker 3: where in the trenches, you know, you you in you
Speaker 3: in the middle of you can't. You just can't.
Speaker 2: Do it.
Speaker 3: You gotta suck that one up. You gotta suck that
Speaker 3: one up, and pick a time to get him before
Speaker 3: the whistle blows. Pick a time to get him before
Speaker 3: the whistle blows. Within the scheme of what y'all got
Speaker 3: going on, you can't do it. There's really this, there's
Speaker 3: really no discourse, there's no dialogue that needs to go
Speaker 3: on about it. You can't do that.
Speaker 2: You're right, you're right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, when you're right, you ain't wrong, and you
Speaker 1: and in this situation, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 2: And I know, I know the.
Speaker 1: Our instinct is to get him back, get it, not
Speaker 1: to get but to get him back right now.
Speaker 2: Oh Joe, it ain't good.
Speaker 1: It ain't good. It ain't good enough to get him
Speaker 1: back at a later day time. I got to get
Speaker 1: you back right now because you got me, so you
Speaker 1: got me.
Speaker 2: I gotta get you.
Speaker 3: You got four quarters? You got four quarters? Mm hm
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, hey, listen, it's football, man. You know,
Speaker 3: you know how it is out there, you know how
Speaker 3: it is. Oh, I know, I had to deal with
Speaker 3: people trying to kill me for four quarters, for decades straight,
Speaker 3: every week, hey, and I.
Speaker 1: Got I done, got people, man, Man, such and such
Speaker 1: a man, such and such dirty?
Speaker 2: What happened?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: I was, Oh, y'all, you know, Joe.
Speaker 3: Hey, you used to cut people?
Speaker 2: We did? I?
Speaker 3: Yeah, see, I ain't do that. I ain't do that.
Speaker 3: I ain't do that. Ain't I don't. I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't like.
Speaker 3: I don't like for such. I don't like going below
Speaker 3: the knees. I'm just me, as small as I was,
Speaker 3: as frill as I was. I never wanted to cut
Speaker 3: people for the simple fact. I don't want to be
Speaker 3: responsible for you losing your career or.
Speaker 1: You think did you think about my career when you
Speaker 1: did that cheap issue you did? Were you thinking about
Speaker 1: my family when you did that? Were you thinking about
Speaker 1: my grandma? Were you thinking about my brother and sister,
Speaker 1: my kids when you did what you did?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Now you want me to think? Now you want me
Speaker 1: to have a heart right? Mm hmm, I'm sorry I don't.
Speaker 1: But I would have teammates. Man, it's such a such dirty,
Speaker 1: I said, Oh man, such number such and such. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what do you do man? That joke after the whips?
Speaker 1: Oh he got okay, let's get it.
Speaker 2: Let's get it.
Speaker 3: I owe him with some good days boy, oh oh.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, you got to get God.
Speaker 1: You're not finna get us if they were not gonna
Speaker 1: do anything about it, oh Joe. Four of the five
Speaker 1: offensive linemen that were blocking for Shador Sanders yesterday were
Speaker 1: waved by the Browns today. d'Artagnan, Tenseley, Bucky Williams, Javian
Speaker 1: Cohen Sebastian good Air, Guitarians or Gutierres one of them.
Speaker 1: I went to high school with a young lady named
Speaker 1: Christy Gretarios, so Gouda areas. Some people said Gutierres, and
Speaker 1: some people she went by guitarians because she was Nicaraguin.
Speaker 1: So Kevin Stefanski clapped back this morning said he was
Speaker 1: he's not trying to sabotage Shador. Another piece of info
Speaker 1: came out overnight. If Stefanski was wasn't trying to sabotage,
Speaker 1: why was undrafted rookie Greg Larvinian not in with Shadur?
Speaker 2: What was it? Kanye Gauge? Hey, damn hey?
Speaker 1: With all these names, Gage has been with Shador throughout
Speaker 1: the camps, practicing even first pre season game. He also
Speaker 1: trains with him outside of practice. Why yesterday was he
Speaker 1: not in with him?
Speaker 3: Look we beating the dead horse off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tyler Huntley was released.
Speaker 1: Tyler Huntley was released yesterday, Ojoe, which begs the question
Speaker 1: what you are not saying? Okay, you know you're going
Speaker 1: to weigh Tyler Huntley. So what good did that two
Speaker 1: minute drive do for him? Was it going to help him?
Speaker 1: Don't you think Shaduor would have benefited more from a
Speaker 1: two minute drive than Tyler Huntley. I'm just asking if
Speaker 1: the guy, if one guy is gonna be on your roster,
Speaker 1: it seems like they're gonna keep four quarterbacks, o Joe.
Speaker 2: Doesn't it seem.
Speaker 1: It would have been more beneficial for Shaduur to get
Speaker 1: the two minute drill because that situation that he might
Speaker 1: find himself in during the regular season if something were
Speaker 1: to have went to the quarterbacks in front of him,
Speaker 1: as opposed to Snoop Huntley.
Speaker 2: Yes or no?
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely absolutely. But one thing we don't know is
Speaker 3: how that that that that coach is staff is thinking.
Speaker 3: We don't know what's going to their mind. We don't
Speaker 3: know what coach stefanskis thinking. I'm not sure what they
Speaker 3: were trying to look at. Uh, maybe get one last
Speaker 3: look a Huntly before whatever the decision you wanted to make.
Speaker 3: But again they I don't. I don't know what what
Speaker 3: else to say at this point, I don't, honestly, I mean,
Speaker 3: it's it is what it is. Obviously, you want quarterback
Speaker 3: play and opportunity to be given to each and every person.
Speaker 3: They saw fit, they saw fit. The way it is,
Speaker 3: they're keeping four quarterbacks, and that's where it is now.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's where it is now. I know
Speaker 3: one thing. I've watched a lot of football for a
Speaker 3: long time. Mm hmm, watch a lot of quarterback play
Speaker 3: for a long time. I played, I played with some
Speaker 3: good ones, you know. So I mean they made it,
Speaker 3: they made the decision. Yep, this is the way they
Speaker 3: wanted to go. So I wish I wish the Cleveland
Speaker 3: Browns nothing below in their quarterback situation because once once
Speaker 3: the season starts for real on Week one and then
Speaker 3: bullets flying all over the place for real, yeah, be
Speaker 3: a different ball game. It's going to be a different
Speaker 3: ball game.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: I Look, I'm just a firm believer. If you go
Speaker 1: back and study Joe Flacco since he's been away from
Speaker 1: the Ravens, expectations, you see when he came in for
Speaker 1: DeShawn there was no expectations. But what happened when he
Speaker 1: went somewhere in there with expectations.
Speaker 2: How did he do?
Speaker 3: Different ball game? Yeah, the pressures of having to play
Speaker 3: that position are a lot different. Preseason is one thing.
Speaker 3: You know, that's all shits and giggles, no disrespect, it's
Speaker 3: all vanilla. I don't think I don't think people understand
Speaker 3: how difficult that position is to play. When you're being
Speaker 3: schemed right, when they know what's coming and they're trying
Speaker 3: to confuse you, when they're trying to throw you off
Speaker 3: your pivot. It's just different ball game. You got a
Speaker 3: lot of moving out there in front of you. You
Speaker 3: got to make calls, you got to make line adjustments,
Speaker 3: you got to make you got the second second level
Speaker 3: back is being able to pimp. Man. It's a different ballgame,
Speaker 3: you know now, the Browns haven't been able to get
Speaker 3: that quarterback situation right in a very very long time.
Speaker 3: With that why I think, I mean all of us,
Speaker 3: not just you and I, but the chat as well
Speaker 3: and the other people that are watching you know everything unfold.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is it's been a very long time
Speaker 3: since the Browns have been in discussion like this and
Speaker 3: then the mainstream media in a very very long time.
Speaker 3: And maybe they got it right this time. Maybe they didn't.
Speaker 3: But if they didn't get it right, the search for
Speaker 3: quarterback number one will still go on after thirty five
Speaker 3: tries of.
Speaker 1: Trying for sure, for sure and and and that's the
Speaker 1: thing that once you win, there's an expectation to win.
Speaker 1: So you know, Joe Flacco coming out off the bench,
Speaker 1: there are no expectations because most times people have the backup.
Speaker 1: You're not expecting your backup to be able to carry you.
Speaker 1: That's why he a backup, or he'd be somewhere else
Speaker 1: starting he wins two or three games. Now the level
Speaker 1: of expectations we have is risen. Yeah, and then we
Speaker 1: see the precipitous drop.
Speaker 3: I know what we're doing, all this Browns talking and
Speaker 3: all that. The Browns are very very, very very good.
Speaker 3: And this is coming from a Bengal fan like I'm
Speaker 3: no fool. The equity identity for this team is their defense.
Speaker 3: But the award Newsome, Miles Garrett and the rest of
Speaker 3: the boys, that's their identity. That is who's going to
Speaker 3: win game for them? Now, what you need the quarterback
Speaker 3: to do who would be Flacco? Is we need you
Speaker 3: to play good football, ask what we do of you,
Speaker 3: and don't turn the ball over.
Speaker 1: This is what Kurt Warner said, the guy that won
Speaker 1: a super Bowl. He's two time league MVP, he was
Speaker 1: a super Bowl MVP. He said, I was really looking
Speaker 1: forward to the competition between Dylan Gabriel and Shadorg Sanders
Speaker 1: in the last preseason game. I know it plays out
Speaker 1: like this sometimes, but what a bummer? Didn't have the
Speaker 1: same ops, which is the opportunities to make plays. Dj
Speaker 1: played well again, but had some good opportunities to make plays,
Speaker 1: and says didn't have those same ops, so it was
Speaker 1: hard to make too much of an assessment.
Speaker 2: Wait, what is.
Speaker 3: I mean? Listen?
Speaker 1: I mean ojoe, if you are receiver. If you a receiver,
Speaker 1: ojo And I'm a receiver. Now when I'm in the game,
Speaker 1: we call it pass plays. You in the game, they
Speaker 1: call it run plays. How they gonna fairly judge you
Speaker 1: when you don't get the same opportunity that I got?
Speaker 1: So how do you judge? How do you judge your door?
Speaker 1: When you didn't give him a look? He missed some throws,
Speaker 1: he had some protection sometimes he's gonna have to do
Speaker 1: a better job of getting rid of the football. That's
Speaker 1: that's always been my biggest gripe with him is that
Speaker 1: he holds onto the ball too long, and he's trying
Speaker 1: to make every single play and you cannot. There's not
Speaker 1: ever been a quarterback that can make every single play.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's okay to throw the ball away. Sometimes it's okay.
Speaker 1: Instead of completing sixty seventy percent of your passes and
Speaker 1: and and and and and seventy with six seven sacks
Speaker 1: don't do me no good. I'd rather you complete sixty
Speaker 1: percent of your passes, fifty eight percent of your passes
Speaker 1: and have three sacks as opposed to completing seventy percent
Speaker 1: and having six or seven sacks. So he's gonna have
Speaker 1: to do a better job of untraining himself. Throw that
Speaker 1: ball away, and it's okay. You don't have the foot
Speaker 1: speed to outrun people around the edges. There are not
Speaker 1: very many defensive ends, if any, that you can beat
Speaker 1: to the edge, So step up in the pocket. They're
Speaker 1: not there a one two, check it down or throw
Speaker 1: it away. Go ahead, o't sho you want to say something.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, you're right you're right. I mean, one
Speaker 3: of the things that he does have is he has
Speaker 3: good awareness. He has good pocket presence about based on
Speaker 3: what's around him at times. No of the time you
Speaker 3: feel the pocket collapsing around you, instead of floating back,
Speaker 3: just step up in it, step up in it. And
Speaker 3: it was hard for him to actually step up because
Speaker 3: once those ends were coming around the guard, the two guards,
Speaker 3: everyone was getting pushed in his face. It was hard
Speaker 3: to be and find.
Speaker 1: A lanky And they blitzen, they blitzed, they brought, they
Speaker 1: brought pressure. Yeah, so the offensive line suddenly doesn't know
Speaker 1: how to hold up once your door Sanders starts playing.
Speaker 1: But Dylan Gabra has all ready to dance in the pocket.
Speaker 1: Something isn't adding up, jess what. I remember being a
Speaker 1: young offensive line and fighting for a job. My old
Speaker 1: line coach came up to me and said, hey, Swartz,
Speaker 1: you need to block worse when Smith is playing quarterback,
Speaker 1: so he looks bad. Totally normal conspiracy that that happens
Speaker 1: all the time. No, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't look to telling you to pay play bad.
Speaker 2: Why am I gonna play?
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make the team. Me making it first
Speaker 1: of all, oh yo. If I'm an offensive lineman, the
Speaker 1: quarterback playing good isn't tied to me because if I
Speaker 1: get beat, No, we're not a package deal. I'm playing
Speaker 1: good for myself because they're evaluating me. When they cut
Speaker 1: that film on, they ain't really looking at the quarterback drop.
Speaker 1: They're looking at me. How did I say it? Did
Speaker 1: I get beat inside? Was I supposed to? Was I
Speaker 1: not supposed to get beat inside? Did we pay? Did
Speaker 1: I molly like I'm supposed to? Did I combo block?
Speaker 1: Did I pop like I was supposed to? That's what
Speaker 1: they're judging me on. So for me, I ain't how
Speaker 1: O yo caught the ball or did the t I
Speaker 1: didn't run the right route or did the back dude
Speaker 1: he's supposed to do. I'm worried about my responsibility. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm concerned about. Shannon's responsibility. And then because everybody's
Speaker 1: getting evaluated, we're not getting evaluated as a package deal
Speaker 1: man the quarterback play good? Oh so everybody, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. Now, everybody getting evaluated on their own individual plate.
Speaker 1: So I know Jeff was trying to be funny. Look,
Speaker 1: I just think the guys that were in there at
Speaker 1: the offensive line, but they weren't very good.
Speaker 2: And so now you got the perfect storm on Jo.
Speaker 1: You got four or five offensive line, but that aren't
Speaker 1: very good, and you got a quarterback to hold onto
Speaker 1: the ball. Now you got the perfect storm. Now you
Speaker 1: got a Category five and you got an earthquake going
Speaker 1: on at.
Speaker 2: The same time.
Speaker 1: Now, a disaster is about the unfold, and that's what
Speaker 1: we saw yesterday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey man, you do what you can with the
Speaker 3: cars that you're dealt on. That's the way life. And
Speaker 3: with the cars you're dead. Whatever hand you got, you
Speaker 3: got to play it the best you can. Some hands,
Speaker 3: some hands are great, some hands not so great. That's
Speaker 3: just life in general.
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys head coach Brian Schottenheimer o JO says, he
Speaker 1: with me with Michael Parsons after Michaeh was seeing laying
Speaker 1: on the medical table behind the Dallas Cowboys bench during
Speaker 1: Friday night's final preseason game against the Falcons. Without talking
Speaker 1: to Michael, I need to figure out what he was
Speaker 1: doing and why why he was going.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I don't know what actually roal here.
Speaker 1: So until I talk to him, I'm obviously I'm not
Speaker 1: going to talk about it.
Speaker 2: To the media.
Speaker 1: What exactly, because okay, this is what Michael said. Oh Joe,
Speaker 1: he tweeted, I actually appreciate this. The way the media
Speaker 1: shapes perception and narratives is wild. If he didn't have
Speaker 1: if he didn't have anything to say, everyone would just
Speaker 1: have run with it. I never disrespect the guys out
Speaker 1: there fighting for their lives. I'm just an interesting clarity
Speaker 1: and fairness. Michael Parson was not laying on the training
Speaker 1: table all night. In fact, it was only a relatively
Speaker 1: short peered portion of the evening.
Speaker 2: Well you could have had him in uniform. You're paying
Speaker 2: me the money.
Speaker 3: That's true, that's true. He two things can be true, Yes,
Speaker 3: but I know one thing. Jerry gonna drag this thing
Speaker 3: all the way out. Boy. They place September fourth, if
Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken, is that yeah?
Speaker 2: Thursday? Yes, so a week from Thursday.
Speaker 3: Hold on, that's next week Thursday?
Speaker 2: No, yes, a week from Thursday.
Speaker 3: I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm exactly Listen, if my if
Speaker 3: Mike is not out there, I don't think they stand
Speaker 3: in the chaand defensively, no, they still got If I'm
Speaker 3: not mistaken, they still got twenty six over there in Philly, right, Yes,
Speaker 3: I mean Philly. They still got they still got Agent.
Speaker 1: They still got that offensive line too. So I don't
Speaker 1: know what type of pressure you think you're gonna get
Speaker 1: without Michael, with Lane and my ladder, now.
Speaker 2: Dixon, Dixon might be out right.
Speaker 3: So I mean one thing that even with even with Dixon. Now, huh,
Speaker 3: come on, now we're talk about the rain of Super
Speaker 3: Bowl champs.
Speaker 2: I ain't no I understand what they're again.
Speaker 3: Man, come on now, If anything, it's gonna be a
Speaker 3: game because the Dallas Cowboys offense and they're new at this,
Speaker 3: are gonna be exciting. I'm ready to see. I'm ready
Speaker 3: to see George.
Speaker 1: If they can hold up, huh, if they can hold
Speaker 1: up against the Eagle.
Speaker 3: For listen, let me tell you something. Let me tell
Speaker 3: you something. They gonna hold up. It's week one. You
Speaker 3: ain't gonna have no choice. You ain't gona have no choice.
Speaker 3: Boy number four, finna get that ball depth while you
Speaker 3: hear me, he's finna throw that thing in the thirteen.
Speaker 3: He's finna throw that thing in the eighty eight. But
Speaker 3: the boy's gonna get busy. And I'm not I'm not
Speaker 3: even a Cowboys fan. I'm a fan of certain individuals
Speaker 3: and players. You know, I want to see Dak do well.
Speaker 3: I want who I really can by. You want to
Speaker 3: know who I really can't by doing well. I want
Speaker 3: to see George Pickens play. I want to see George
Speaker 3: Pickens lock in for sixteen, seventeen, eighteen goddamn weeks. That's
Speaker 3: what I want to see. Shit, yeah, we talk about Hey,
Speaker 3: chat chat, who's your favorite team? Huh chack? Can y'all
Speaker 3: hear me? Hello? Chat? Who's your team? Who you looking for?
Speaker 3: The who you looking for? The watching week one? No,
Speaker 3: they can hear me. Ship goddamn goddamn cowboys. Jerry don't
Speaker 3: want to pay Michael. I know I got something to
Speaker 3: look forward to. I got for the look and the joy.
Speaker 3: I look for the George Pickens. George Pickens.
Speaker 2: But Michael needs to understand.
Speaker 3: Oh yo, yeah, what happened to talk to me?
Speaker 1: It'll be the same situation. If you're under contract, you're
Speaker 1: holding in, not holding out. You're holding in because you're there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you'd be standing on the sideline and you're laying down. Michael,
Speaker 1: what do you what you think people are gonna say?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, Well, then you already you already, you already.
Speaker 1: First of all, all the eyes are on you. First
Speaker 1: of all, you're on the Cowboys. That's first and foremost.
Speaker 1: Second of all, you're on you're on the training table. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I understand even if you just laid down for
Speaker 1: a quick second, they're gonna make it. They're gonna make
Speaker 1: it something. So you I want you to under staying.
Speaker 1: This is going to be a story until you get signed,
Speaker 1: until you until you're in uniform. So even even if
Speaker 1: you don't they don't give you a contract, everything you
Speaker 1: do is being monitor They're like, well, Michael don't care.
Speaker 2: Michael doesn't care.
Speaker 3: Whoa whoa whoa whoa That that that that is one
Speaker 3: thing we're not gonna let fly. We're not going to
Speaker 3: blame Michael. I'm not talking about you. I'm just saying
Speaker 3: in general, just that narrative about Michael not caring because
Speaker 3: he's laying out, Well, hello, goddamn own it.
Speaker 2: Don't care, on it, don't care, only doesn't played it.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you a question. Let's just say
Speaker 2: that was a T. J.
Speaker 1: Watt and he was holding out and he's laying down
Speaker 1: on the training table behind the bench.
Speaker 2: You don't think they will say anything about that.
Speaker 1: Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that's Jamar
Speaker 1: Chase and the Bengals offense are up and he's laying
Speaker 1: down behind the training table. You don't think they're gonna
Speaker 1: say anything about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 2: That's all. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Michael needs to understand he's a superstar player and and
Speaker 1: you laying down.
Speaker 3: Look, I got you, I got you.
Speaker 2: It's just what's the word we'd like to use? The optics?
Speaker 3: The optics?
Speaker 2: Optics? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Should I be laying down to if I own to
Speaker 3: talked about me the way he talked about him?
Speaker 1: So I'm like, hey, either the question is is he
Speaker 1: gonna miss uh?
Speaker 3: One?
Speaker 2: What is it? One point two million dollars a paycheck?
Speaker 2: That's the question.
Speaker 1: Is he is he willing to risk one point two
Speaker 1: million dollars pay check?
Speaker 2: Now? He needs to get huh?
Speaker 3: He's there, he's there if he.
Speaker 2: Doesn't play, well, you think they're gonna pay him if
Speaker 2: you don't play?
Speaker 3: My back hurt. I'm in. I'm here, I'm here. You
Speaker 3: said I'm on the contract, right, Okay, I'm in the contract.
Speaker 3: You know what, I have an injury. I have injury,
Speaker 3: but I'm here. Did you say didn't you say you
Speaker 3: don't want to pay me because it's a chance y'all
Speaker 3: missed some games last year?
Speaker 2: What how about what?
Speaker 3: I'm still here?
Speaker 1: But what the question is, does he want to go
Speaker 1: take it to agreement because the Cowboys gonna say we
Speaker 1: done got MRIs and we got everything and the doctor
Speaker 1: said everything everything checks out. So now you're gonna tie
Speaker 1: it up.
Speaker 3: It's a dirty game. Hey, it's a dirty game. The
Speaker 3: fact that the fact that it's even gotten to this
Speaker 3: point but one of the players that are not just
Speaker 3: one of the better player tever, one of the top
Speaker 3: three of this position. The fact that it's even gotten
Speaker 3: to this point. If it was any other team, Michael
Speaker 3: would have had his money. I think he would have
Speaker 3: been in training camp. He would have played in a
Speaker 3: preseason game or two. But Jerry has other ways of
Speaker 3: doing things when it comes to business. He knows obstructed
Speaker 3: to make sure that the noise in the chirping continue
Speaker 3: to stay around that franchise in general. But let you know,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna pay you when to get ready. You're not
Speaker 3: You're not. You're not you're not deboying, you're not bullying nothing.
Speaker 3: I don't care who you are. Yeah, Jerry said that
Speaker 3: when he sat down with Stephen A.
Speaker 2: Smith.
Speaker 3: I've been right. I've been been there for a long time.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: It's not heard hooping and hollering from players that were
Speaker 3: disgruntled about contracting their money for a long time. That
Speaker 3: ain't fnna move me. I'm not moving for that. I
Speaker 3: pay you when I get ready.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna bully Jerry. I've been watching the Netflix special.
Speaker 2: Oh why was it?
Speaker 3: It was good.
Speaker 1: It offers a lot of insight. It's what people look.
Speaker 1: Jerry wanted more credit. Jimmy was getting too much of it.
Speaker 1: Jerry wanted some of it, and Jimmy like, nah. And
Speaker 1: it came to a head that the man fired a
Speaker 1: coach that won two championships because he wanted credit and
Speaker 1: he wasn't getting.
Speaker 2: Enough of it.
Speaker 1: What he wanted Jimmy to say, Well, the way Jimmy
Speaker 1: explained it is like and Jerry said, I mean, Jerry
Speaker 1: out of his own mouth. You run the football. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna run the business side of it. But the business
Speaker 1: side is not nearly as enticing as the football side,
Speaker 1: because don't nobody care about the market who's selling all
Speaker 1: this and all the stuff that's up there. They care
Speaker 1: about that football team. And Jimmy put it together and
Speaker 1: it started. You know, Jerry wanted credit for the herschel
Speaker 1: Walker trade. People said with Jimmy, Jerry, Jimmy says, I
Speaker 1: can show you in my contract. Well, I was in
Speaker 1: the draft and I was in trying inside the trades.
Speaker 1: Jerry says, no, that didn't happen. Blah blah blah. It
Speaker 1: was just but if you watching it, you could see
Speaker 1: it building, even not knowing the backs. Now obviously we
Speaker 1: know this twenty just thirty years ago, o Joe, knowing
Speaker 1: what we know now, But even if you didn't know anything,
Speaker 1: if you just watch it, you're like, oh, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: thinking to come to a head.
Speaker 2: It's gonna come to a head. Absolutely. And the final
Speaker 2: when you know, Jerry walked through.
Speaker 1: They had just won the Super Bowl and the coach
Speaker 1: was drinking and Jerry walked through and held his glass
Speaker 1: up and all the other coaches held that class up.
Speaker 2: Jimmy did this.
Speaker 3: Hm hmm, Wait they showed that, No.
Speaker 2: They told the story.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Then Jerry seething because see Jerry wanted to
Speaker 1: be a part of it. And see that's the thing. See,
Speaker 1: that's why we tell people everybody rings are not the same.
Speaker 1: And everybody in an organization might get the ring, but
Speaker 1: unless you one of them, got one of the one
Speaker 1: of them guys, right, the fifty three them coaches, it's them,
Speaker 1: it had eh right, right, And so Jerry wanted to
Speaker 1: be a part of that. But Jimmy like, gro you
Speaker 1: not you not putting in one hundred hours a week.
Speaker 1: You getting to go home every night and sleep next
Speaker 1: to your wife. A lot of these guys, don't you
Speaker 1: watched your kids grow up. A lot of these got
Speaker 1: kids they gonna miss, they gonna blink, and the kids
Speaker 1: done graduated, and you wasn't there for a lot of
Speaker 1: their special occasion. So Jimmy, Jerry wanted to be a
Speaker 1: part of it. Jimmy resented the fact that just because
Speaker 1: you own the team, you want to be a part
Speaker 1: of it. You can be a part of this, but
Speaker 1: you can see it, you can see it coming. You
Speaker 1: can see it coming. You can see it coming. Both
Speaker 1: of them are very very prideful men. There's no question
Speaker 1: Jerry he the order of businessman. He could say there
Speaker 1: ain't a whole lot he can't sell. Not a whole
Speaker 1: lot he can't sell, and he can swear a lot
Speaker 1: of people to get on his side. But the way
Speaker 1: jim the way Jimmy had that team clicking on all cylinders,
Speaker 1: they might have won.
Speaker 2: Three to four in a row.
Speaker 3: Yeah damn.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Michael, I don't think Michael truly understands who
Speaker 1: he is, what the Cowboys are.
Speaker 2: And everything Texas.
Speaker 3: Hey, Michael just want to play football. Mike can't worried
Speaker 3: about that. Mike ain't worried about that motherfucker star on
Speaker 3: that helmet. Michael came in there. Okay, I got drafted,
Speaker 3: I'm here and played for the Cowboys. I understand and
Speaker 3: I understand what it comes with to to an extent,
Speaker 3: but I don't care nothing about that. As you can see,
Speaker 3: I want to play football. I've done something that not
Speaker 3: very many people are coming to this league and done
Speaker 3: after college. I would like to be compensated for what
Speaker 3: I'm not, not what I've already done, but what I'm
Speaker 3: going to continue to do in the Forestier refuture. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you have an owner who came out and said some
Speaker 3: of the most Outlantis. Things to say about a player
Speaker 3: that is actively under contract, I mean that that I'm
Speaker 3: still I'm still baffled.
Speaker 1: Three more years, I'm a I'm appalled. Jerry, say you
Speaker 1: want to dance with me? Or do you want or
Speaker 1: do you want to swim in shark infested waters for
Speaker 1: the next three years?
Speaker 2: You gotta dance with me?
Speaker 3: Ay at one point, if I'm not mistaken, being a
Speaker 3: Cowboy player in general was covenant. Being a coach the
Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys was covenant.
Speaker 2: When they won, not no more. That's when they were
Speaker 2: treated like rock stars.
Speaker 1: That's when they was like Hollywood and they was all
Speaker 1: on the covers and and Troy and Michael and Time
Speaker 1: and all.
Speaker 2: Those they were winning. They were winning.
Speaker 1: There's still a big there's still a big brand, but
Speaker 1: all those guys are not getting on no cover, no
Speaker 1: magazine like it like it used to be. And this
Speaker 1: was before the internet. But they're gonna have to make
Speaker 1: a decision. Look, they got a week from Thursday. They play.
Speaker 1: Let's see what Jayken. Jerry says, We've got a deal.
Speaker 1: Jerry says, we got a deal.
Speaker 3: Jered thet they got his deal.
Speaker 2: That's what Jerry said.
Speaker 3: They don't have the deal that Michael Parsons and David
Speaker 3: Will the ghetto have agreed to Jersey.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, Jerry say, Hey, the three people involved
Speaker 1: here and you know who to lead. There's me, there's Michael,
Speaker 1: there's me, and the least important is the agent.
Speaker 3: Hey, you got to be careful, man, You got to
Speaker 3: be careful as a player. Got to be careful as
Speaker 3: a player. Thinking that is your friend, because this is
Speaker 3: what they do. They show, they show your true colors.
Speaker 3: Now they pull it, they pull us off right now.
Speaker 3: While you're valuable. You are value to me, which is
Speaker 3: why I'm treating you like this. Now while you think
Speaker 3: your value, I don't really want to pay you your worth.
Speaker 3: But a maturkey and try to shake your hands so
Speaker 3: I can undermine the agent who knows the tricks and
Speaker 3: who knows the tricks I'm trying to pull off. Ain't
Speaker 3: no fool now.
Speaker 1: Language that I just I just need Michael just needs
Speaker 1: to understand. Hey, bro, you don't want to stand and
Speaker 1: I know getting ay standing on that sideline. Now you
Speaker 1: see why all them coaches walk messed up. That's standing
Speaker 1: in three hours, man, that thing. Have your back tight. Hey,
Speaker 1: just go grab your ay, just go grab your seat
Speaker 1: on the bench. And you're sitting there and watching it
Speaker 1: on the jumbo tron. They probably have something to say
Speaker 1: about that. But hey, yeah, hey I'm here. I might
Speaker 1: here supporting my teammates.
Speaker 3: I got a question. Yes, Dallas Cowboys flipped up the
Speaker 3: Eagles week one Thursday night when you got winning.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be the most watched Thursday night
Speaker 1: football game in NFL history.
Speaker 2: Uh, I'm gonna take the Eagles.
Speaker 3: Okay, you sure you sure you be sure about that?
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. I want the Eagles.
Speaker 1: I want the Eagles to win forty five to seven.
Speaker 1: God damn, because I want my goel to get his money.
Speaker 1: You remember, back in ninety three when they started the
Speaker 1: season oh and two, the only way every got his
Speaker 1: money money.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: I want Michael to get his money. I want I
Speaker 1: want Jalen Hurst to throw for three hundred. I want
Speaker 1: Say Kwan to run for a buck fifty. I want
Speaker 1: those two wide receivers to go over one hundred, damn.
Speaker 1: And I want the time of possession to be something
Speaker 1: like sixty minutes in game, something like thirty eight thirty
Speaker 1: nine minutes to twenty twenty one, because I want my
Speaker 1: goe to get his money. Oh, he's doing a model citizen.
Speaker 1: He's done everything, he's done everything the right way. Right
Speaker 1: now you want to hold up the man money.
Speaker 3: Oh man, that's that's that's I.
Speaker 1: Oh, we have a deal and my and he keeps saying,
Speaker 1: in my mind, we have a deal, a deal that
Speaker 1: a contract is a meeting between the minds. Michael doesn't
Speaker 1: believe you guys have a deal. That's why they have paper.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you a question, could they could
Speaker 1: they do this? And so in Jerry's mind, this ain't
Speaker 1: worth nothing in a NMFL binding. That's why they have contra.
Speaker 1: That's why they had to go to writing it down
Speaker 1: on paper. Because a contract, in its general form was
Speaker 1: a meeting of the mind.
Speaker 2: Two people had agreed and the word your word was
Speaker 2: your bond.
Speaker 1: And then what happened all of a sudden that ain't
Speaker 1: what I said, That ain't what I meant, and say,
Speaker 1: you know what, write it down. So in Jerry's mind
Speaker 1: and Michael and Michael mine, they don't have a contract, right,
Speaker 1: So it has to be a meeting of the mind
Speaker 1: before the contract to be binding.
Speaker 3: So oh, Jerry boy, Jerry tried to pull a fast
Speaker 3: on blank.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure, it's move talker.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh Joe.
Speaker 1: It took twenty two years, but Jerry Jones had finally
Speaker 1: admitted he let his ego play a role in the
Speaker 1: end of the Dallas Cowboy glory days. Jones and former
Speaker 1: coach Jimmy Johnson ended their relationship after consecutive Super Bowl
Speaker 1: wins in nineteen ninety ninety three. Neither man had accept
Speaker 1: the responsibility for the demise of the relationship, but Jerry said,
Speaker 1: I lost my tolerance for a lot of things. I
Speaker 1: probably should have had a little bit more tolerance for
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson. Seriously, those are some big words coming from
Speaker 1: a man that once said five hundred coaches could have
Speaker 1: won those super bowls with this team. Since Swifzer, Jerry
Speaker 1: has hired five coaches who have delivered just two playoff wins.
Speaker 2: See the difference is you see what he.
Speaker 1: Said, Yeah, five coach, five hundred coaches could have won
Speaker 1: the super Bowl with that team. How many of those
Speaker 1: five hundred coaches could have built that team?
Speaker 2: Because that's what Jerry did.
Speaker 1: See You could have a lot of people that can
Speaker 1: live in the house old Joe, But how many people
Speaker 1: can build a house that they eat or she lives in.
Speaker 1: See that's what Jerry forgot. See that's what That's what
Speaker 1: Jerry forgot. Five hundred coaches could coach this team, yes,
Speaker 1: but how many of them can build the team. I'm
Speaker 1: sure there are a lot of coaches could have coached
Speaker 1: the Eagles. How many of them could do with Howard
Speaker 1: Roseman deal did and build it. See, you find very
Speaker 1: few coaches that that can coach and build. Jimmy built
Speaker 1: that from scratch. He built it from scratch.
Speaker 2: Now, Jerry started work. But the thing was, he wouldn't
Speaker 2: let Jimmy.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't let Jimmy go on on no meetings, no advertising,
Speaker 1: no marketing meetings. He wouldn't let Jimmy do that because
Speaker 1: that's not what Jimmy was. That's not what he happened.
Speaker 1: But said started rolling good all that credit everybody about Jimmy.
Speaker 1: Jimmy's built one of the best teams. Jimmy, Jimmy, he
Speaker 1: didn't hear enough.
Speaker 2: Jerry.
Speaker 1: He looks back, he looked, he looked at it. He
Speaker 1: could have they could have easily had a team fifteen
Speaker 1: year run, just like the Patriots had a twenty They
Speaker 1: could have got at least half that because you got
Speaker 1: to realize Emmit, Troy, and Mike was in their prime.
Speaker 1: I think Mike was the oldest at twenty eight.
Speaker 3: Dam Will they ever get back to that type of
Speaker 3: prominence again in domination? Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, league is two balance now, right, and they don't.
Speaker 1: They don't get consistent of enough play at the quarterback position.
Speaker 2: M hm.
Speaker 1: And nobody's gonna trade you or Charles. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: be able to get a time and nobody's gonna trade
Speaker 1: you or Charles Haley level defensive player.
Speaker 2: And it's prime.
Speaker 3: Well here you got you got one not too far
Speaker 3: off now based on what we have to work with
Speaker 3: in today's NFL. You got one. You don't want to
Speaker 3: pay right.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, but think about it.
Speaker 3: Got a difference maker.
Speaker 1: Troy Hall of Famer, Emmitt Hall of Famer, Michael Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer, Larry Allen Hall of Famer, Charles Haley Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer, Deon Sanders Hall of Famer. That's six. Darren
Speaker 1: Woodson is on the CUSP, So that's six guys. So
Speaker 1: how many Hall of Famers you think they got on
Speaker 1: that team right now. And the offensive line was dominant.
Speaker 3: And boy were big bright.
Speaker 1: Big easy step Gogan, the two of Nay Newton. Larry
Speaker 1: came later, but they were dominant.
Speaker 3: And I went to the Pro Bowl with Larry one year. Man,
Speaker 3: that joke was strong. Remember they had them competitions. Competition, Yeah,
Speaker 3: the racing and the man Larry Allen must have benched
Speaker 3: five man twenty million time, like, man, what the hell?
Speaker 1: But I saw this episode and Jerry is telling the
Speaker 1: story after he fired Jimmy. He comes home and he
Speaker 1: gets in the bed and he lays next to his wife, Jean,
Speaker 1: and so she said, you just couldn't help yourself, say
Speaker 1: you just can't let good be good. You just cut
Speaker 1: and cut it. And as he's saying it, he starts,
Speaker 1: he almost starts to way up because a lot of times,
Speaker 1: ohto when things are good, you think they're gonna be
Speaker 1: like that forever. And he realizes now just how hard
Speaker 1: it is, because see, when things come at me to
Speaker 1: think about it. He bought the team in eighty nine,
Speaker 1: and then by ninety three he has back to back
Speaker 1: Super Bowls ninety one ninety two, So it's fourth year
Speaker 1: of buying the team. He's in the super Bowl Bowl
Speaker 1: the fifth year. They got two super Bowls in five years?
Speaker 1: What you think happening? They think that's gonna be easy.
Speaker 1: Look at the team we got. A quarterback is in
Speaker 1: his mid twenties, running back like twenty five, Michael Irban
Speaker 1: like twenty eight.
Speaker 2: Huh, ego, you see what happens now.
Speaker 1: He said he had something on his desk that if
Speaker 1: you don't care who gets the credit, you can conquer
Speaker 1: the world. He said he had that on his desk
Speaker 1: for twenty years. But see the way he had it
Speaker 1: placed on his desk. It was facing out. He never
Speaker 1: read it. Everybody else that would come in that would
Speaker 1: read that, but he should have had one that was
Speaker 1: facing him.
Speaker 2: Also.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh that's crazy.
Speaker 1: They were special, you had We played them. I mean
Speaker 1: we played them. We played him in ninety two, the
Speaker 1: first year they won. We took him right down to
Speaker 1: the why they end up scoring they beat us? Uh,
Speaker 1: but I mean I think they scored late in the
Speaker 1: ball game. I think they scored like two minutes to
Speaker 1: go to beat us. And then we played them again
Speaker 1: in ninety five, a year they won. They were they
Speaker 1: were good, They were they were really really really really
Speaker 1: really good, and they were young, and they were athletic,
Speaker 1: and they were physical. They were a physical team. Jimmy,
Speaker 1: do you hear Jimmy. Early on they say, hey, let
Speaker 1: the mind control the body, don't let the body control
Speaker 1: the mind.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: Hey, Jimmy, Hey, Jimmy said, I'm pushing them further that
Speaker 1: you could think you can go. Jimmy said, hey, dude,
Speaker 1: had asthma. He said, hey, have asthma on that field.
Speaker 1: Don't you have asthma on this damn field? Have asthma
Speaker 1: over there. Damn, Jimmy, the band can't help.
Speaker 2: We ain't having an asthma attacks man.
Speaker 1: Man, Jimmy didn't play. Jimmy did not play. But uh,
Speaker 1: I think I think Jerry looking at that and seeing
Speaker 1: it could and the realization like, damn, we really had it.
Speaker 1: We really had a chance to be the Patriots before
Speaker 1: the Patriots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't think you don't.
Speaker 1: Think that, mister Crabb got tired of hearing coach Belichick,
Speaker 1: Coach Belichick, Coach Belichick, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Tom Brady.
Speaker 2: Man, let me come on, let me keep on collecting
Speaker 2: these rings.
Speaker 3: I'm the ring collector and all they cared about.
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it.
Speaker 3: You know, two different two different type, two different types
Speaker 3: of personalities too, two different approaches to the game and
Speaker 3: how I'm going to conduct myself and not only owning
Speaker 3: a team, but allowing those below me to do their job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the thing is. But mister Crabb understood.
Speaker 1: I think he learned from Jerry's mistakes. I ain't going
Speaker 1: to mess this up, right, I'm not going to mess
Speaker 1: this up.