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Speaker 1: Sometimes your last name can be a blessing and a curse.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Joe, it's easy to be motivated. Oh yeah, yeah, being.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, when they get old enough, when they get

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Speaker 2: The same with that? That is what I want. We've

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Speaker 1: I just man, I ain't even want to play no

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Speaker 1: They're extremely talented, they're extremely driven individuals.

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Speaker 3: Ye, your buddy, you can't, you can't.

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Speaker 3: You gotta suck that one up. You gotta suck that

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Speaker 1: Our instinct is to get him back, get it, not

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Speaker 2: Oh Joe, it ain't good.

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Speaker 1: It ain't good. It ain't good enough to get him

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Speaker 2: I gotta get you.

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Speaker 3: You got four quarters? You got four quarters? Mm hm

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean, hey, listen, it's football, man. You know,

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Speaker 2: What happened?

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Speaker 2: I was, Oh, y'all, you know, Joe.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you used to cut people?

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Speaker 1: You think did you think about my career when you

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Now you want me to think? Now you want me

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Speaker 1: But I would have teammates. Man, it's such a such dirty,

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Speaker 1: Oh he got okay, let's get it.

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Speaker 2: Let's get it.

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Speaker 3: I owe him with some good days boy, oh oh.

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Speaker 1: You're not finna get us if they were not gonna

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Speaker 1: do anything about it, oh Joe. Four of the five

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Speaker 1: offensive linemen that were blocking for Shador Sanders yesterday were

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Speaker 1: Cohen Sebastian good Air, Guitarians or Gutierres one of them.

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Speaker 2: What was it? Kanye Gauge? Hey, damn hey?

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Speaker 1: With all these names, Gage has been with Shador throughout

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Speaker 3: Look we beating the dead horse off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Tyler Huntley was released.

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Speaker 1: to weigh Tyler Huntley. So what good did that two

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Speaker 1: it seems like they're gonna keep four quarterbacks, o Joe.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't it seem.

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Speaker 1: It would have been more beneficial for Shaduur to get

435
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Speaker 1: the two minute drill because that situation that he might

436
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Speaker 1: find himself in during the regular season if something were

437
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Speaker 1: to have went to the quarterbacks in front of him,

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Speaker 1: as opposed to Snoop Huntley.

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Speaker 2: Yes or no?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely absolutely. But one thing we don't know is

441
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 3: how that that that that coach is staff is thinking.

442
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Speaker 3: We don't know what's going to their mind. We don't

443
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Speaker 3: know what coach stefanskis thinking. I'm not sure what they

444
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 3: were trying to look at. Uh, maybe get one last

445
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Speaker 3: look a Huntly before whatever the decision you wanted to make.

446
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Speaker 3: But again they I don't. I don't know what what

447
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Speaker 3: else to say at this point, I don't, honestly, I mean,

448
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 3: it's it is what it is. Obviously, you want quarterback

449
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 3: play and opportunity to be given to each and every person.

450
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Speaker 3: They saw fit, they saw fit. The way it is,

451
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Speaker 3: they're keeping four quarterbacks, and that's where it is now.

452
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's where it is now. I know

453
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Speaker 3: one thing. I've watched a lot of football for a

454
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Speaker 3: long time. Mm hmm, watch a lot of quarterback play

455
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Speaker 3: for a long time. I played, I played with some

456
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Speaker 3: good ones, you know. So I mean they made it,

457
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Speaker 3: they made the decision. Yep, this is the way they

458
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 3: wanted to go. So I wish I wish the Cleveland

459
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Speaker 3: Browns nothing below in their quarterback situation because once once

460
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Speaker 3: the season starts for real on Week one and then

461
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Speaker 3: bullets flying all over the place for real, yeah, be

462
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Speaker 3: a different ball game. It's going to be a different

463
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Speaker 3: ball game.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 1: I Look, I'm just a firm believer. If you go

466
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Speaker 1: back and study Joe Flacco since he's been away from

467
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Speaker 1: the Ravens, expectations, you see when he came in for

468
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: DeShawn there was no expectations. But what happened when he

469
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Speaker 1: went somewhere in there with expectations.

470
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Speaker 2: How did he do?

471
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Speaker 3: Different ball game? Yeah, the pressures of having to play

472
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 3: that position are a lot different. Preseason is one thing.

473
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Speaker 3: You know, that's all shits and giggles, no disrespect, it's

474
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Speaker 3: all vanilla. I don't think I don't think people understand

475
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Speaker 3: how difficult that position is to play. When you're being

476
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Speaker 3: schemed right, when they know what's coming and they're trying

477
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Speaker 3: to confuse you, when they're trying to throw you off

478
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Speaker 3: your pivot. It's just different ball game. You got a

479
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 3: lot of moving out there in front of you. You

480
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 3: got to make calls, you got to make line adjustments,

481
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Speaker 3: you got to make you got the second second level

482
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Speaker 3: back is being able to pimp. Man. It's a different ballgame,

483
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Speaker 3: you know now, the Browns haven't been able to get

484
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Speaker 3: that quarterback situation right in a very very long time.

485
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Speaker 3: With that why I think, I mean all of us,

486
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Speaker 3: not just you and I, but the chat as well

487
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Speaker 3: and the other people that are watching you know everything unfold.

488
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is it's been a very long time

489
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Speaker 3: since the Browns have been in discussion like this and

490
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Speaker 3: then the mainstream media in a very very long time.

491
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Speaker 3: And maybe they got it right this time. Maybe they didn't.

492
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Speaker 3: But if they didn't get it right, the search for

493
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Speaker 3: quarterback number one will still go on after thirty five

494
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Speaker 3: tries of.

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Speaker 1: Trying for sure, for sure and and and that's the

496
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Speaker 1: thing that once you win, there's an expectation to win.

497
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Speaker 1: So you know, Joe Flacco coming out off the bench,

498
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Speaker 1: there are no expectations because most times people have the backup.

499
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Speaker 1: You're not expecting your backup to be able to carry you.

500
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Speaker 1: That's why he a backup, or he'd be somewhere else

501
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: starting he wins two or three games. Now the level

502
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 1: of expectations we have is risen. Yeah, and then we

503
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Speaker 1: see the precipitous drop.

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Speaker 3: I know what we're doing, all this Browns talking and

505
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Speaker 3: all that. The Browns are very very, very very good.

506
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Speaker 3: And this is coming from a Bengal fan like I'm

507
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 3: no fool. The equity identity for this team is their defense.

508
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 3: But the award Newsome, Miles Garrett and the rest of

509
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 3: the boys, that's their identity. That is who's going to

510
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 3: win game for them? Now, what you need the quarterback

511
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Speaker 3: to do who would be Flacco? Is we need you

512
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Speaker 3: to play good football, ask what we do of you,

513
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Speaker 3: and don't turn the ball over.

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Speaker 1: This is what Kurt Warner said, the guy that won

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Speaker 1: a super Bowl. He's two time league MVP, he was

516
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Speaker 1: a super Bowl MVP. He said, I was really looking

517
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Speaker 1: forward to the competition between Dylan Gabriel and Shadorg Sanders

518
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: in the last preseason game. I know it plays out

519
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: like this sometimes, but what a bummer? Didn't have the

520
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: same ops, which is the opportunities to make plays. Dj

521
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 1: played well again, but had some good opportunities to make plays,

522
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 1: and says didn't have those same ops, so it was

523
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Speaker 1: hard to make too much of an assessment.

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Speaker 2: Wait, what is.

525
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Speaker 3: I mean? Listen?

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Speaker 1: I mean ojoe, if you are receiver. If you a receiver,

527
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Speaker 1: ojo And I'm a receiver. Now when I'm in the game,

528
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Speaker 1: we call it pass plays. You in the game, they

529
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Speaker 1: call it run plays. How they gonna fairly judge you

530
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Speaker 1: when you don't get the same opportunity that I got?

531
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Speaker 1: So how do you judge? How do you judge your door?

532
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: When you didn't give him a look? He missed some throws,

533
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Speaker 1: he had some protection sometimes he's gonna have to do

534
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: a better job of getting rid of the football. That's

535
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Speaker 1: that's always been my biggest gripe with him is that

536
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: he holds onto the ball too long, and he's trying

537
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,479
Speaker 1: to make every single play and you cannot. There's not

538
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: ever been a quarterback that can make every single play.

539
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's okay to throw the ball away. Sometimes it's okay.

540
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: Instead of completing sixty seventy percent of your passes and

541
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Speaker 1: and and and and and seventy with six seven sacks

542
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: don't do me no good. I'd rather you complete sixty

543
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: percent of your passes, fifty eight percent of your passes

544
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: and have three sacks as opposed to completing seventy percent

545
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: and having six or seven sacks. So he's gonna have

546
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: to do a better job of untraining himself. Throw that

547
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: ball away, and it's okay. You don't have the foot

548
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: speed to outrun people around the edges. There are not

549
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: very many defensive ends, if any, that you can beat

550
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: to the edge, So step up in the pocket. They're

551
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: not there a one two, check it down or throw

552
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: it away. Go ahead, o't sho you want to say something.

553
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Speaker 3: No, no, no, you're right you're right. I mean, one

554
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 3: of the things that he does have is he has

555
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: good awareness. He has good pocket presence about based on

556
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 3: what's around him at times. No of the time you

557
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 3: feel the pocket collapsing around you, instead of floating back,

558
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 3: just step up in it, step up in it. And

559
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 3: it was hard for him to actually step up because

560
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 3: once those ends were coming around the guard, the two guards,

561
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 3: everyone was getting pushed in his face. It was hard

562
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 3: to be and find.

563
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: A lanky And they blitzen, they blitzed, they brought, they

564
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: brought pressure. Yeah, so the offensive line suddenly doesn't know

565
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: how to hold up once your door Sanders starts playing.

566
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: But Dylan Gabra has all ready to dance in the pocket.

567
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: Something isn't adding up, jess what. I remember being a

568
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,479
Speaker 1: young offensive line and fighting for a job. My old

569
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: line coach came up to me and said, hey, Swartz,

570
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: you need to block worse when Smith is playing quarterback,

571
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: so he looks bad. Totally normal conspiracy that that happens

572
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: all the time. No, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't look to telling you to pay play bad.

574
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 2: Why am I gonna play?

575
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to make the team. Me making it first

576
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: of all, oh yo. If I'm an offensive lineman, the

577
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: quarterback playing good isn't tied to me because if I

578
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: get beat, No, we're not a package deal. I'm playing

579
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: good for myself because they're evaluating me. When they cut

580
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: that film on, they ain't really looking at the quarterback drop.

581
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: They're looking at me. How did I say it? Did

582
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: I get beat inside? Was I supposed to? Was I

583
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: not supposed to get beat inside? Did we pay? Did

584
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: I molly like I'm supposed to? Did I combo block?

585
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: Did I pop like I was supposed to? That's what

586
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: they're judging me on. So for me, I ain't how

587
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: O yo caught the ball or did the t I

588
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: didn't run the right route or did the back dude

589
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: he's supposed to do. I'm worried about my responsibility. That's

590
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: what I'm concerned about. Shannon's responsibility. And then because everybody's

591
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: getting evaluated, we're not getting evaluated as a package deal

592
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: man the quarterback play good? Oh so everybody, no, no, no, no,

593
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: no no. Now, everybody getting evaluated on their own individual plate.

594
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: So I know Jeff was trying to be funny. Look,

595
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: I just think the guys that were in there at

596
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: the offensive line, but they weren't very good.

597
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: And so now you got the perfect storm on Jo.

598
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: You got four or five offensive line, but that aren't

599
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: very good, and you got a quarterback to hold onto

600
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: the ball. Now you got the perfect storm. Now you

601
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: got a Category five and you got an earthquake going

602
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: on at.

603
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:25,959
Speaker 2: The same time.

604
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: Now, a disaster is about the unfold, and that's what

605
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: we saw yesterday.

606
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey man, you do what you can with the

607
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 3: cars that you're dealt on. That's the way life. And

608
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 3: with the cars you're dead. Whatever hand you got, you

609
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: got to play it the best you can. Some hands,

610
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 3: some hands are great, some hands not so great. That's

611
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 3: just life in general.

612
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys head coach Brian Schottenheimer o JO says, he

613
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: with me with Michael Parsons after Michaeh was seeing laying

614
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: on the medical table behind the Dallas Cowboys bench during

615
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: Friday night's final preseason game against the Falcons. Without talking

616
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: to Michael, I need to figure out what he was

617
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: doing and why why he was going.

618
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: Anyway, I don't know what actually roal here.

619
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: So until I talk to him, I'm obviously I'm not

620
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: going to talk about it.

621
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: To the media.

622
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: What exactly, because okay, this is what Michael said. Oh Joe,

623
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: he tweeted, I actually appreciate this. The way the media

624
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: shapes perception and narratives is wild. If he didn't have

625
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: if he didn't have anything to say, everyone would just

626
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: have run with it. I never disrespect the guys out

627
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: there fighting for their lives. I'm just an interesting clarity

628
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: and fairness. Michael Parson was not laying on the training

629
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: table all night. In fact, it was only a relatively

630
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: short peered portion of the evening.

631
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Speaker 2: Well you could have had him in uniform. You're paying

632
00:31:59,240 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: me the money.

633
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 3: That's true, that's true. He two things can be true, Yes,

634
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,719
Speaker 3: but I know one thing. Jerry gonna drag this thing

635
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 3: all the way out. Boy. They place September fourth, if

636
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken, is that yeah?

637
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: Thursday? Yes, so a week from Thursday.

638
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 3: Hold on, that's next week Thursday?

639
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: No, yes, a week from Thursday.

640
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 3: I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm exactly Listen, if my if

641
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 3: Mike is not out there, I don't think they stand

642
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 3: in the chaand defensively, no, they still got If I'm

643
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 3: not mistaken, they still got twenty six over there in Philly, right, Yes,

644
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 3: I mean Philly. They still got they still got Agent.

645
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: They still got that offensive line too. So I don't

646
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: know what type of pressure you think you're gonna get

647
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: without Michael, with Lane and my ladder, now.

648
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: Dixon, Dixon might be out right.

649
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,479
Speaker 3: So I mean one thing that even with even with Dixon. Now, huh,

650
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 3: come on, now we're talk about the rain of Super

651
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 3: Bowl champs.

652
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 2: I ain't no I understand what they're again.

653
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: Man, come on now, If anything, it's gonna be a

654
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 3: game because the Dallas Cowboys offense and they're new at this,

655
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 3: are gonna be exciting. I'm ready to see. I'm ready

656
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 3: to see George.

657
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: If they can hold up, huh, if they can hold

658
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: up against the Eagle.

659
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 3: For listen, let me tell you something. Let me tell

660
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 3: you something. They gonna hold up. It's week one. You

661
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 3: ain't gonna have no choice. You ain't gona have no choice.

662
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 3: Boy number four, finna get that ball depth while you

663
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 3: hear me, he's finna throw that thing in the thirteen.

664
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 3: He's finna throw that thing in the eighty eight. But

665
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 3: the boy's gonna get busy. And I'm not I'm not

666
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 3: even a Cowboys fan. I'm a fan of certain individuals

667
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 3: and players. You know, I want to see Dak do well.

668
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 3: I want who I really can by. You want to

669
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 3: know who I really can't by doing well. I want

670
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 3: to see George Pickens play. I want to see George

671
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 3: Pickens lock in for sixteen, seventeen, eighteen goddamn weeks. That's

672
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 3: what I want to see. Shit, yeah, we talk about Hey,

673
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 3: chat chat, who's your favorite team? Huh chack? Can y'all

674
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 3: hear me? Hello? Chat? Who's your team? Who you looking for?

675
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 3: The who you looking for? The watching week one? No,

676
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 3: they can hear me. Ship goddamn goddamn cowboys. Jerry don't

677
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 3: want to pay Michael. I know I got something to

678
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 3: look forward to. I got for the look and the joy.

679
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 3: I look for the George Pickens. George Pickens.

680
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: But Michael needs to understand.

681
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 3: Oh yo, yeah, what happened to talk to me?

682
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: It'll be the same situation. If you're under contract, you're

683
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: holding in, not holding out. You're holding in because you're there. Yeah,

684
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: and you'd be standing on the sideline and you're laying down. Michael,

685
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: what do you what you think people are gonna say?

686
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, Well, then you already you already, you already.

687
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: First of all, all the eyes are on you. First

688
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: of all, you're on the Cowboys. That's first and foremost.

689
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 1: Second of all, you're on you're on the training table. Yeah,

690
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: and I understand even if you just laid down for

691
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: a quick second, they're gonna make it. They're gonna make

692
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: it something. So you I want you to under staying.

693
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: This is going to be a story until you get signed,

694
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: until you until you're in uniform. So even even if

695
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: you don't they don't give you a contract, everything you

696
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: do is being monitor They're like, well, Michael don't care.

697
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 2: Michael doesn't care.

698
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 3: Whoa whoa whoa whoa That that that that is one

699
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 3: thing we're not gonna let fly. We're not going to

700
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 3: blame Michael. I'm not talking about you. I'm just saying

701
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 3: in general, just that narrative about Michael not caring because

702
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 3: he's laying out, Well, hello, goddamn own it.

703
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 2: Don't care, on it, don't care, only doesn't played it.

704
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 3: Huh.

705
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 2: So let me ask you a question. Let's just say

706
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: that was a T. J.

707
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: Watt and he was holding out and he's laying down

708
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: on the training table behind the bench.

709
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 2: You don't think they will say anything about that.

710
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that's Jamar

711
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: Chase and the Bengals offense are up and he's laying

712
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: down behind the training table. You don't think they're gonna

713
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: say anything about that.

714
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand what you're saying.

715
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 2: That's all. That's all I'm saying.

716
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: Michael needs to understand he's a superstar player and and

717
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: you laying down.

718
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 3: Look, I got you, I got you.

719
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: It's just what's the word we'd like to use? The optics?

720
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 3: The optics?

721
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 2: Optics? Yeah? Yeah?

722
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: Should I be laying down to if I own to

723
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 3: talked about me the way he talked about him?

724
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: So I'm like, hey, either the question is is he

725
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: gonna miss uh?

726
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 3: One?

727
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 2: What is it? One point two million dollars a paycheck?

728
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: That's the question.

729
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: Is he is he willing to risk one point two

730
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: million dollars pay check?

731
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 2: Now? He needs to get huh?

732
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 3: He's there, he's there if he.

733
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 2: Doesn't play, well, you think they're gonna pay him if

734
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: you don't play?

735
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 3: My back hurt. I'm in. I'm here, I'm here. You

736
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 3: said I'm on the contract, right, Okay, I'm in the contract.

737
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 3: You know what, I have an injury. I have injury,

738
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 3: but I'm here. Did you say didn't you say you

739
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 3: don't want to pay me because it's a chance y'all

740
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 3: missed some games last year?

741
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 2: What how about what?

742
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 3: I'm still here?

743
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: But what the question is, does he want to go

744
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: take it to agreement because the Cowboys gonna say we

745
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: done got MRIs and we got everything and the doctor

746
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: said everything everything checks out. So now you're gonna tie

747
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: it up.

748
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 3: It's a dirty game. Hey, it's a dirty game. The

749
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 3: fact that the fact that it's even gotten to this

750
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 3: point but one of the players that are not just

751
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 3: one of the better player tever, one of the top

752
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 3: three of this position. The fact that it's even gotten

753
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 3: to this point. If it was any other team, Michael

754
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 3: would have had his money. I think he would have

755
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 3: been in training camp. He would have played in a

756
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 3: preseason game or two. But Jerry has other ways of

757
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 3: doing things when it comes to business. He knows obstructed

758
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 3: to make sure that the noise in the chirping continue

759
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 3: to stay around that franchise in general. But let you know,

760
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 3: I'm gonna pay you when to get ready. You're not

761
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 3: You're not. You're not you're not deboying, you're not bullying nothing.

762
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 3: I don't care who you are. Yeah, Jerry said that

763
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 3: when he sat down with Stephen A.

764
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 2: Smith.

765
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 3: I've been right. I've been been there for a long time.

766
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: Now.

767
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 3: It's not heard hooping and hollering from players that were

768
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 3: disgruntled about contracting their money for a long time. That

769
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 3: ain't fnna move me. I'm not moving for that. I

770
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 3: pay you when I get ready.

771
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 1: You're not gonna bully Jerry. I've been watching the Netflix special.

772
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: Oh why was it?

773
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 3: It was good.

774
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,959
Speaker 1: It offers a lot of insight. It's what people look.

775
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: Jerry wanted more credit. Jimmy was getting too much of it.

776
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 1: Jerry wanted some of it, and Jimmy like, nah. And

777
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: it came to a head that the man fired a

778
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: coach that won two championships because he wanted credit and

779
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: he wasn't getting.

780
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 2: Enough of it.

781
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: What he wanted Jimmy to say, Well, the way Jimmy

782
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: explained it is like and Jerry said, I mean, Jerry

783
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: out of his own mouth. You run the football. I'm

784
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 1: gonna run the business side of it. But the business

785
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 1: side is not nearly as enticing as the football side,

786
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: because don't nobody care about the market who's selling all

787
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: this and all the stuff that's up there. They care

788
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: about that football team. And Jimmy put it together and

789
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 1: it started. You know, Jerry wanted credit for the herschel

790
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: Walker trade. People said with Jimmy, Jerry, Jimmy says, I

791
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: can show you in my contract. Well, I was in

792
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: the draft and I was in trying inside the trades.

793
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: Jerry says, no, that didn't happen. Blah blah blah. It

794
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: was just but if you watching it, you could see

795
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: it building, even not knowing the backs. Now obviously we

796
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: know this twenty just thirty years ago, o Joe, knowing

797
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: what we know now, But even if you didn't know anything,

798
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: if you just watch it, you're like, oh, yeah, that's

799
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: thinking to come to a head.

800
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 2: It's gonna come to a head. Absolutely. And the final

801
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 2: when you know, Jerry walked through.

802
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: They had just won the Super Bowl and the coach

803
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: was drinking and Jerry walked through and held his glass

804
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: up and all the other coaches held that class up.

805
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 2: Jimmy did this.

806
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 3: Hm hmm, Wait they showed that, No.

807
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 2: They told the story.

808
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: Oh man, Then Jerry seething because see Jerry wanted to

809
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: be a part of it. And see that's the thing. See,

810
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: that's why we tell people everybody rings are not the same.

811
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: And everybody in an organization might get the ring, but

812
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: unless you one of them, got one of the one

813
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,919
Speaker 1: of them guys, right, the fifty three them coaches, it's them,

814
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: it had eh right, right, And so Jerry wanted to

815
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: be a part of that. But Jimmy like, gro you

816
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: not you not putting in one hundred hours a week.

817
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: You getting to go home every night and sleep next

818
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: to your wife. A lot of these guys, don't you

819
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 1: watched your kids grow up. A lot of these got

820
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: kids they gonna miss, they gonna blink, and the kids

821
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: done graduated, and you wasn't there for a lot of

822
00:40:54,239 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: their special occasion. So Jimmy, Jerry wanted to be a

823
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 1: part of it. Jimmy resented the fact that just because

824
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,479
Speaker 1: you own the team, you want to be a part

825
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: of it. You can be a part of this, but

826
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: you can see it, you can see it coming. You

827
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: can see it coming. You can see it coming. Both

828
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: of them are very very prideful men. There's no question

829
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: Jerry he the order of businessman. He could say there

830
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: ain't a whole lot he can't sell. Not a whole

831
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: lot he can't sell, and he can swear a lot

832
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: of people to get on his side. But the way

833
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: jim the way Jimmy had that team clicking on all cylinders,

834
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: they might have won.

835
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: Three to four in a row.

836
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 3: Yeah damn.

837
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, Michael, I don't think Michael truly understands who

838
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: he is, what the Cowboys are.

839
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 2: And everything Texas.

840
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 3: Hey, Michael just want to play football. Mike can't worried

841
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 3: about that. Mike ain't worried about that motherfucker star on

842
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 3: that helmet. Michael came in there. Okay, I got drafted,

843
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 3: I'm here and played for the Cowboys. I understand and

844
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 3: I understand what it comes with to to an extent,

845
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 3: but I don't care nothing about that. As you can see,

846
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 3: I want to play football. I've done something that not

847
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 3: very many people are coming to this league and done

848
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 3: after college. I would like to be compensated for what

849
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 3: I'm not, not what I've already done, but what I'm

850
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 3: going to continue to do in the Forestier refuture. Yeah,

851
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 3: you have an owner who came out and said some

852
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 3: of the most Outlantis. Things to say about a player

853
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 3: that is actively under contract, I mean that that I'm

854
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: still I'm still baffled.

855
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: Three more years, I'm a I'm appalled. Jerry, say you

856
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: want to dance with me? Or do you want or

857
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: do you want to swim in shark infested waters for

858
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 1: the next three years?

859
00:42:58,239 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 2: You gotta dance with me?

860
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 3: Ay at one point, if I'm not mistaken, being a

861
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 3: Cowboy player in general was covenant. Being a coach the

862
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys was covenant.

863
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: When they won, not no more. That's when they were

864
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: treated like rock stars.

865
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: That's when they was like Hollywood and they was all

866
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: on the covers and and Troy and Michael and Time

867
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 1: and all.

868
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: Those they were winning. They were winning.

869
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: There's still a big there's still a big brand, but

870
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 1: all those guys are not getting on no cover, no

871
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: magazine like it like it used to be. And this

872
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: was before the internet. But they're gonna have to make

873
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: a decision. Look, they got a week from Thursday. They play.

874
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: Let's see what Jayken. Jerry says, We've got a deal.

875
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: Jerry says, we got a deal.

876
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 3: Jered thet they got his deal.

877
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 2: That's what Jerry said.

878
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 3: They don't have the deal that Michael Parsons and David

879
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 3: Will the ghetto have agreed to Jersey.

880
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, Jerry say, Hey, the three people involved

881
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 1: here and you know who to lead. There's me, there's Michael,

882
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: there's me, and the least important is the agent.

883
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 3: Hey, you got to be careful, man, You got to

884
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 3: be careful as a player. Got to be careful as

885
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 3: a player. Thinking that is your friend, because this is

886
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 3: what they do. They show, they show your true colors.

887
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 3: Now they pull it, they pull us off right now.

888
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: While you're valuable. You are value to me, which is

889
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 3: why I'm treating you like this. Now while you think

890
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 3: your value, I don't really want to pay you your worth.

891
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 3: But a maturkey and try to shake your hands so

892
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 3: I can undermine the agent who knows the tricks and

893
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,479
Speaker 3: who knows the tricks I'm trying to pull off. Ain't

894
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 3: no fool now.

895
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: Language that I just I just need Michael just needs

896
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: to understand. Hey, bro, you don't want to stand and

897
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: I know getting ay standing on that sideline. Now you

898
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: see why all them coaches walk messed up. That's standing

899
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: in three hours, man, that thing. Have your back tight. Hey,

900
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: just go grab your ay, just go grab your seat

901
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: on the bench. And you're sitting there and watching it

902
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: on the jumbo tron. They probably have something to say

903
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: about that. But hey, yeah, hey I'm here. I might

904
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: here supporting my teammates.

905
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 3: I got a question. Yes, Dallas Cowboys flipped up the

906
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 3: Eagles week one Thursday night when you got winning.

907
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be the most watched Thursday night

908
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: football game in NFL history.

909
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 2: Uh, I'm gonna take the Eagles.

910
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 3: Okay, you sure you sure you be sure about that?

911
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. I want the Eagles.

912
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: I want the Eagles to win forty five to seven.

913
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: God damn, because I want my goel to get his money.

914
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: You remember, back in ninety three when they started the

915
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: season oh and two, the only way every got his

916
00:45:59,239 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 1: money money.

917
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

918
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: I want Michael to get his money. I want I

919
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: want Jalen Hurst to throw for three hundred. I want

920
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: Say Kwan to run for a buck fifty. I want

921
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: those two wide receivers to go over one hundred, damn.

922
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: And I want the time of possession to be something

923
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: like sixty minutes in game, something like thirty eight thirty

924
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: nine minutes to twenty twenty one, because I want my

925
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: goe to get his money. Oh, he's doing a model citizen.

926
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: He's done everything, he's done everything the right way. Right

927
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: now you want to hold up the man money.

928
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 3: Oh man, that's that's that's I.

929
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: Oh, we have a deal and my and he keeps saying,

930
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: in my mind, we have a deal, a deal that

931
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 1: a contract is a meeting between the minds. Michael doesn't

932
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: believe you guys have a deal. That's why they have paper.

933
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: So let me ask you a question, could they could

934
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: they do this? And so in Jerry's mind, this ain't

935
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: worth nothing in a NMFL binding. That's why they have contra.

936
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: That's why they had to go to writing it down

937
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: on paper. Because a contract, in its general form was

938
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: a meeting of the mind.

939
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 2: Two people had agreed and the word your word was

940
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 2: your bond.

941
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: And then what happened all of a sudden that ain't

942
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: what I said, That ain't what I meant, and say,

943
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: you know what, write it down. So in Jerry's mind

944
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: and Michael and Michael mine, they don't have a contract, right,

945
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: So it has to be a meeting of the mind

946
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: before the contract to be binding.

947
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 3: So oh, Jerry boy, Jerry tried to pull a fast

948
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 3: on blank.

949
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure, it's move talker.

950
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh.

951
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh Joe.

952
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: It took twenty two years, but Jerry Jones had finally

953
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: admitted he let his ego play a role in the

954
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: end of the Dallas Cowboy glory days. Jones and former

955
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: coach Jimmy Johnson ended their relationship after consecutive Super Bowl

956
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: wins in nineteen ninety ninety three. Neither man had accept

957
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: the responsibility for the demise of the relationship, but Jerry said,

958
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: I lost my tolerance for a lot of things. I

959
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: probably should have had a little bit more tolerance for

960
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson. Seriously, those are some big words coming from

961
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: a man that once said five hundred coaches could have

962
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: won those super bowls with this team. Since Swifzer, Jerry

963
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: has hired five coaches who have delivered just two playoff wins.

964
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: See the difference is you see what he.

965
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: Said, Yeah, five coach, five hundred coaches could have won

966
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: the super Bowl with that team. How many of those

967
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: five hundred coaches could have built that team?

968
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: Because that's what Jerry did.

969
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: See You could have a lot of people that can

970
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: live in the house old Joe, But how many people

971
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: can build a house that they eat or she lives in.

972
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: See that's what Jerry forgot. See that's what That's what

973
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: Jerry forgot. Five hundred coaches could coach this team, yes,

974
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: but how many of them can build the team. I'm

975
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: sure there are a lot of coaches could have coached

976
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 1: the Eagles. How many of them could do with Howard

977
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: Roseman deal did and build it. See, you find very

978
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: few coaches that that can coach and build. Jimmy built

979
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: that from scratch. He built it from scratch.

980
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 2: Now, Jerry started work. But the thing was, he wouldn't

981
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 2: let Jimmy.

982
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: He wouldn't let Jimmy go on on no meetings, no advertising,

983
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: no marketing meetings. He wouldn't let Jimmy do that because

984
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: that's not what Jimmy was. That's not what he happened.

985
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 1: But said started rolling good all that credit everybody about Jimmy.

986
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: Jimmy's built one of the best teams. Jimmy, Jimmy, he

987
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: didn't hear enough.

988
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 2: Jerry.

989
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: He looks back, he looked, he looked at it. He

990
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: could have they could have easily had a team fifteen

991
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: year run, just like the Patriots had a twenty They

992
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: could have got at least half that because you got

993
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: to realize Emmit, Troy, and Mike was in their prime.

994
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 1: I think Mike was the oldest at twenty eight.

995
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 3: Dam Will they ever get back to that type of

996
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 3: prominence again in domination? Yeah?

997
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: No, league is two balance now, right, and they don't.

998
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: They don't get consistent of enough play at the quarterback position.

999
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 2: M hm.

1000
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,919
Speaker 1: And nobody's gonna trade you or Charles. You're not gonna

1001
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: be able to get a time and nobody's gonna trade

1002
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: you or Charles Haley level defensive player.

1003
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 2: And it's prime.

1004
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 3: Well here you got you got one not too far

1005
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 3: off now based on what we have to work with

1006
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 3: in today's NFL. You got one. You don't want to

1007
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 3: pay right.

1008
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, but think about it.

1009
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 3: Got a difference maker.

1010
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: Troy Hall of Famer, Emmitt Hall of Famer, Michael Hall

1011
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: of Famer, Larry Allen Hall of Famer, Charles Haley Hall

1012
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: of Famer, Deon Sanders Hall of Famer. That's six. Darren

1013
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: Woodson is on the CUSP, So that's six guys. So

1014
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: how many Hall of Famers you think they got on

1015
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 1: that team right now. And the offensive line was dominant.

1016
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 3: And boy were big bright.

1017
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: Big easy step Gogan, the two of Nay Newton. Larry

1018
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: came later, but they were dominant.

1019
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 3: And I went to the Pro Bowl with Larry one year. Man,

1020
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 3: that joke was strong. Remember they had them competitions. Competition, Yeah,

1021
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,959
Speaker 3: the racing and the man Larry Allen must have benched

1022
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 3: five man twenty million time, like, man, what the hell?

1023
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: But I saw this episode and Jerry is telling the

1024
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: story after he fired Jimmy. He comes home and he

1025
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: gets in the bed and he lays next to his wife, Jean,

1026
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: and so she said, you just couldn't help yourself, say

1027
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: you just can't let good be good. You just cut

1028
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: and cut it. And as he's saying it, he starts,

1029
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 1: he almost starts to way up because a lot of times,

1030
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: ohto when things are good, you think they're gonna be

1031
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: like that forever. And he realizes now just how hard

1032
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: it is, because see, when things come at me to

1033
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: think about it. He bought the team in eighty nine,

1034
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: and then by ninety three he has back to back

1035
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: Super Bowls ninety one ninety two, So it's fourth year

1036
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: of buying the team. He's in the super Bowl Bowl

1037
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: the fifth year. They got two super Bowls in five years?

1038
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: What you think happening? They think that's gonna be easy.

1039
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: Look at the team we got. A quarterback is in

1040
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: his mid twenties, running back like twenty five, Michael Irban

1041
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 1: like twenty eight.

1042
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 2: Huh, ego, you see what happens now.

1043
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: He said he had something on his desk that if

1044
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 1: you don't care who gets the credit, you can conquer

1045
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: the world. He said he had that on his desk

1046
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: for twenty years. But see the way he had it

1047
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 1: placed on his desk. It was facing out. He never

1048
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 1: read it. Everybody else that would come in that would

1049
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: read that, but he should have had one that was

1050
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: facing him.

1051
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 2: Also.

1052
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh that's crazy.

1053
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: They were special, you had We played them. I mean

1054
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: we played them. We played him in ninety two, the

1055
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: first year they won. We took him right down to

1056
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: the why they end up scoring they beat us? Uh,

1057
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: but I mean I think they scored late in the

1058
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: ball game. I think they scored like two minutes to

1059
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: go to beat us. And then we played them again

1060
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 1: in ninety five, a year they won. They were they

1061
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: were good, They were they were really really really really

1062
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: really good, and they were young, and they were athletic,

1063
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: and they were physical. They were a physical team. Jimmy,

1064
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: do you hear Jimmy. Early on they say, hey, let

1065
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: the mind control the body, don't let the body control

1066
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: the mind.

1067
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 2: I like that.

1068
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: Hey, Jimmy, Hey, Jimmy said, I'm pushing them further that

1069
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,720
Speaker 1: you could think you can go. Jimmy said, hey, dude,

1070
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: had asthma. He said, hey, have asthma on that field.

1071
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: Don't you have asthma on this damn field? Have asthma

1072
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: over there. Damn, Jimmy, the band can't help.

1073
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 2: We ain't having an asthma attacks man.

1074
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: Man, Jimmy didn't play. Jimmy did not play. But uh,

1075
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 1: I think I think Jerry looking at that and seeing

1076
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 1: it could and the realization like, damn, we really had it.

1077
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: We really had a chance to be the Patriots before

1078
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: the Patriots.

1079
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't think you don't.

1080
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: Think that, mister Crabb got tired of hearing coach Belichick,

1081
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: Coach Belichick, Coach Belichick, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Tom Brady.

1082
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 2: Man, let me come on, let me keep on collecting

1083
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:26,919
Speaker 2: these rings.

1084
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 3: I'm the ring collector and all they cared about.

1085
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it.

1086
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 3: You know, two different two different type, two different types

1087
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 3: of personalities too, two different approaches to the game and

1088
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 3: how I'm going to conduct myself and not only owning

1089
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 3: a team, but allowing those below me to do their job.

1090
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the thing is. But mister Crabb understood.

1091
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: I think he learned from Jerry's mistakes. I ain't going

1092
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: to mess this up, right, I'm not going to mess

1093
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: this up.