WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Must Win? 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:06.440 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:18.599 and the Dallas Cowboys Football clubs. Are you ready for 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:22.320 a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:26.640 Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:32.040 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:38.280 with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:41.839 It is Wednesday, November twenty seventh, twenty nineteen, Season fifteen, 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:45.440 episode number ninety one. Welcome to another edition of The Break. 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:48.480 We are live from the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star. 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:51.200 We're gonna get you guys ready for Cowboys versus Bills. 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:54.400 It's Thanksgiving Day tomorrow. We're gonna eat good. No, you 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:56.360 guys will eat good and we will certainly have some 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:58.920 good football hopefully for you guys to be able to 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.920 check out. Got my crew here. Let's talk about hopefully 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:04.440 if we don't finished the day saying, well, at least 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:08.199 the food was good. Hopefully it doesn't go down that way. 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:10.399 I mean, the food's gonna be good regardless, I know, 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:12.760 but you know what I'm saying, Yeah, I know. Yeah. 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:14.520 For those that feel sorry for us that we don't 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:17.319 get to have Thanksgiving dinner at home. Don't like the 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:21.280 food at the stadium pretty freaking good. I'm not complaining. 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:23.520 We will enjoy dinner and hopefully we will enjoy a 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:26.480 good football game. Let's talk first about injuries, though. Catt 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:28.920 was at two players that did not practice yesterday late 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:32.280 in Vanderesh, which was expected, Antoine Woods as well. What 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:35.000 do we know about Woods? Because I think we all 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:38.119 agree Vanderesh isn't playing this week. See there's Woods, Okay, 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:41.440 So Woods? Is that a what's his injury? Mcl? Mcl? 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:43.600 Because he looked pretty bad, Dave. I think you were 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:45.240 walking on me when we were getting off the plane 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:48.160 last week Sunday night. I guess it would have been 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:50.760 Monday morning, and he didn't look like he was walking 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:52.560 very well at all. Is this a long term thing 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:53.960 for him or is this just kind of a week 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:56.920 to week Well, he already did this in Week two 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:59.760 and I think it cost him. He was out until 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:03.320 the Packer game, I believe, so week two he was 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:06.280 out for the Dolphins and then the Saints after that. 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:09.600 So I mean, you're probably talking a minimum of this game. 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:11.760 But the fact that they have you know, they're not 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:13.720 on a long week they don't get that many bye 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:15.800 week because the Bears is Thursday. I would guess he'll 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:17.839 miss both of these games and then get the mini 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:19.639 bye week and he gets the Mini by and so 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:23.760 I'm circling the Rams game for him. But we'll see 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:26.799 the guys that were limited. Talk to me about kind 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:29.560 of where they are. You got Lyall Collins, Jeff, Zach Martin, 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:32.320 Connor Williams. The expectation is that in a normal week, 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:34.160 you'd feel like they were doing pretty well, but on 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:36.560 a short week, how do you feel about it? I 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:39.480 think they're all available, yeah, Zach Martin. I think it's 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:42.320 gonna be the issue there, not not to play, but 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:45.639 just how he gets himself ready, because I mean he's becoming, 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:48.440 you know, one of the older guys. And we saw 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:53.120 this week, you know with Tony Romo five years ago, 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.120 where he was getting himself ready every Sunday to play, 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:58.040 but when he had to play the Thursday game, he 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:00.799 was terrible. And that happened again in the next year 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:03.200 on a short week, and so you wonder what these 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:05.640 back injuries and what they're doing to manage it. You 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:07.799 hope that you know, in in four days they can 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:10.200 get it done. I think it'll be fine. But I'm 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:12.240 just saying, well, he's gonna play, but we'll see if 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:13.760 he plays well. I think there's a guy that weighs 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:15.919 three hundred and forty pounds across from them that gets 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:19.280 seven sacks. Every football player I've ever asked about it 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.160 says like you're really only starting to feel like yourself 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:25.040 by Thursday, and that's the day that these guys have 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:28.560 to play. So amazing. Yeah, it is, but I think 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:31.480 they'll all be in uniform, even Jeff. He was the 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:33.519 one I was worried about. But I think he's trending 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:36.200 in the right direction too. But they're probably not gonna 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:38.200 be feeling great. Yeah, but it is what it is 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:42.480 because the league likes ratings. Well. Good thing is. I 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:44.800 know the Cowboys have been doing it since nineteen sixty. 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:47.760 I know our sixty seven. I just I hate Thursday football. 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:51.160 I think it's it's not good for players. But do 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:53.360 you watch it, of course, and that's why they do it, 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:59.080 all right, I know I know why they do it, 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:00.560 and I know it's not going to change. I just 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:03.160 think it's stupid to claim you care about player safety 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:05.440 and make everybody play on Thursdays. I just don't agree 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:08.120 with it. Well, we will be out there on Thursday, 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.400 Cowboys will be playing, and hopefully these guys will be 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:13.920 prepared to be able to play even on a short week. 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:16.640 Let's talk about the inactives, though, I think we've already 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:19.520 mentioned Lake Vandersh Antoine Woods. If you go through the 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:21.680 list of the guys from last week that we're inactive, 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:24.320 it looks like you'd have one one of those guys 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:25.919 that could come up. I'll read those names for me 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:28.640 and tell me which guy you think should actually come up, 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:31.800 because you'll have an extra spot. You've got Cedric Wilson, 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:36.680 Devin Smith, Donovan Wilson, Joe Jackson, Brandon Knight, Tristan Hill, 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:41.000 Tristan Hills coming up for Antoine Woods. Is that it? 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:43.200 That would be the only one because last week did 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:45.799 that was the list and you and now you're adding 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:49.000 Woods to the inactive. I probably would put Donovan Wilson. 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:52.840 I would think if he's healthy, he might come up 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:59.560 over maybe Josh Jones because of the because of heath. Yeah, 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:04.760 well and he was over Josh Jones or I can't 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:10.880 even remember the guy's name. Avonte Burton, Burton music corner. Um, 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:15.000 I'm surprised you keep he's active. I know he's coming back, 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:18.800 but it's like even him hurting his shoulder again in 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:21.600 that play, it just looks so so nasty to hit, 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.520 you know, and that that's an area that you're constantly 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:27.960 hidden when you're playing that position. Both shoulders too, yeah, both. 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:30.240 So I don't know, I just I feel bad for him. 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:35.039 It's classic situation. So yeah, well there was surly when 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:36.720 he was asked about today, was like, do you learn 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:38.560 anything else about him this week? Because I didn't learn 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:42.640 anything about him? Long pause and then like that I 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.359 didn't already know. It was kind of like like I 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:47.600 thought it was kind of you know, yeah, I guess 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:49.839 I can see what you're saying there, or why Garrett 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:55.360 is so uptight. He's Yeah, he's been. I mean he's been. 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:59.159 His boss is just throwing him out there. Honestly. I 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.799 don't know if thats as much of it as he's 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:04.600 just they're not winning like they probably thought they would be. 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:07.240 I mean, that has him out there, Yeah, but he 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.039 probably that's probably there's probably nothing that he thought wasn't 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:12.960 being like he you know, when you're not performing right, 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:14.560 and so when you're not when things aren't going well 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:16.880 at work, it doesn't take your boss saying anything. You know, 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:20.160 are things aren't good? You know things it No, it 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.360 doesn't help, but didn't say it doesn't make it anything. 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:24.320 Like it's already bad because you're already like as a 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:26.719 matter of fact, sometimes you're probably sitting there thinking, I 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.080 know he's I know he's thinking that I'm screwing this 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.280 up and he's not saying things. I wonder what he's thinking. 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:32.680 Then when he comes out and says it, then at 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:35.440 least you know, right, And I think I'm trying to 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:37.600 put myself in this position, and I'm like, you know, 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:40.719 if I'm like, uh, it's been rough, Dave, like I 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:42.880 know I'm not doing well, but yeah I need to 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:44.880 pick it up. Like I think i'd feel better if 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.680 you were like, look, Dave's got this long track record 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:49.320 of doing well for us. He's gonna be fine. Like 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:51.480 if you if I heard you saying like, yeah, he's 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:55.360 screwing up, man, like that would ruin meetings that you're 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.040 not in, so you wouldn't know that. That's a good point. Wow, thanks, well, 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:01.960 all right, thanks nervous, right, thanks, y, No, that's my point, like, 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:05.200 I don't think that I don't think that Jason doesn't 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:07.480 think that when he's six and five, with the team 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:09.880 that he has and the expectations coming into this season, 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.280 I don't think that he believes that when Jerry and 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.560 Stephen and maybe even Will are sitting around talking about 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:18.840 the state of the team, that his name isn't coming 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.040 up and there aren't things that are being said that 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.480 may not be favorable, right. I just but it's not 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:25.720 what he's doing, though, But what he's doing, and I 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:28.280 said this earlier today, and I'm not I'm not saying 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:30.720 that it's a bad thing. I think Jerry's trying to, 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:34.320 you know, turn over every stone. But he is Jerry 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:38.120 creating a distraction this week, Yes he is. He's creating 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:40.520 a distraction for this team. Do you think so? Yes? 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:43.560 I mean he's going on NFL Network and saying those 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:46.080 things and on the radio, and he didn't back down 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:48.160 for what he said on Sundays saying he's being as 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:50.320 harsh as he's ever been. And when in the locker room, 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:52.960 we're not talking about these linebackers and for the Bills, 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:56.320 we're talking about what Jerry said, and Jason Witten's asked 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:59.520 about Jerry and Jason Garrett's been asked about Jerry. So yeah, 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:03.320 he's create hating it, but that's that's I mean, he 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:05.360 sat around long enough and not said it. Maybe that 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:06.840 he's like, what else can I do? You know what 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:09.560 I was thinking, sorry, what I was thinking this morning 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:11.360 as I was getting ready. I don't know why, but 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:13.400 and I'm not saying you fired the guy right now 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:16.640 or anything like that. I know his contract and it's 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.640 coming up. But I was going back and thinking of 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:22.239 Jerry and the way he's handled things and how he's 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:27.400 fired other coaches just kind of without hesitation in in 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.080 the history of different coaches, and the way that he's 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:34.200 gone about it. I'm like, Wow, I wonder what it 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:37.320 is that hasn't gone him to that point where he's like, 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:38.960 you know what, I'm kind of fed up with this. 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:41.840 I need a different coach because he's done that in 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:45.160 the past. But yet with Garrett, he stuck with him 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.120 for how many years has it been now? Like Dine, 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:51.720 So I was just wondering, I'm like, what does Garrett 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:56.520 have that appeals so much to Jerry Jones? I honestly 0:08:56.559 --> 0:09:00.520 think that that Jerry at this point he wants. He 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.120 probably feels like I hired this guy when he was young. 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:05.280 He was a young coach, he didn't have a head 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:08.480 coaching experience. I thought he was really really smart. I 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:11.440 thought he knew football well, and so I figured when 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:13.640 I hired him, I figured, I'm in this for the 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:15.360 long haul, which means I'm gonna have to go through 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:17.600 the growing pains to get him to the point where 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:19.720 he's a great coach. Like you think about the great 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.520 coaches in the NFL, some of them it took a 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:24.760 while for them to get to be great, right, And 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:29.400 I think Jerry honestly believed, maybe still even believes that 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:32.439 he will at some point be a great coach, and 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:34.960 he just had to let him go through the changes 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:36.920 in order to get to that point. I also think 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:41.680 we would all agree Jason can be enormously impressive in 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.280 like a one on one or like an intimate setting. 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:46.400 Right I'm not talking about his press conferences, but like 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:50.080 if he's heading up a meeting or giving a talk privately, 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:53.160 or you know, a coaching interview, I bet he. I mean, 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:56.440 he's probably blown Jerry and whoever else away more times 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:59.240 than you can count, because he's organized, he's a good speaker, 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:03.360 he has a planning, good motivating people, Like, on the 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.400 off chance he is to leave the Cowboys, he'll blow 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:08.680 somebody away in an interview in the future. And I 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:12.480 think Jerry sees that and thinks or knows or whatever 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:15.440 it can translate. It hasn't yet, So all of that 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:18.520 contributes to why he continues to believe. Everybody told me 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:21.800 this early on when I started working here. Jerry wants 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:25.240 to win, but Jerry wants to win Jerry's way, Like, 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.680 without a doubt, he wants to win his way. And 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:29.640 so when you ask that question, I think, and you 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:33.480 said it perfectly, he hand picked this guy. This was 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:36.840 the one. So if Jason Garrett has success, then Jerry 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:39.440 is going to get credit for that because he's the 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:41.600 one that had the vision way back when and go 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:43.920 this guy's going to be a great coach, and so 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:46.880 he's that's why he's he's hanging in there, and that's 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:49.240 why he probably doesn't want to fire him and won't 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:52.160 fire him. He I don't think he will fire Jason Garrett. 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:53.920 I really don't want it. He doesn't come back, this 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.520 season will end, there's no contract, and you move on. 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:58.120 I'm not gonna go as far as I say I 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:00.200 disagree with you. But that's why I think this week 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:04.080 is so interesting, because we're all smart enough to know 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:06.920 that there have been some blunt conversations in private, but 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:09.880 for Jerry Jones to come out and publicly say some 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:12.200 of the things he's said, I agree with you. Like, 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:14.959 my gut feeling is like, well, he's not under contract 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.760 this year. If it doesn't work out, you just let 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.240 him walk away when the season's over, and there's no 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:22.600 need to do something drastic. But some of the stuff 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.800 Jerry's saying makes me think, like, if this doesn't drastically 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:30.720 pick up Thursday and the week after that, I'm becoming 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:32.520 to the point where I'd be less surprised if he 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:35.240 didn't make it through the season based on what I'm hearing. Yeah, 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:37.680 I'm not buying it because I honestly believe And again, 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:39.760 we're all making a lot of guests here because we 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:43.160 don't know what Jerry's really thinking. My guess is Jerry 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.280 wanted to stir this thing up, and he wanted to 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:48.520 put the coaches and the players on notice that look, 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.520 what you're doing right now is not good enough. And 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:53.920 make no mistake about it, it is not good enough. 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:56.160 And I think he's looking at it like, I'm hoping 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.080 to spur these guys, right, Either one of the two 0:11:58.080 --> 0:11:59.640 things is gonna happen, if you're gonna spur them a 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:03.480 greatness or they're not gonna get there. And then it's like, okay, well, 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:05.640 but that's we dried everything. And I guess that's my 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:08.400 point is like, maybe it's too dramatic to say it's 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:10.480 a line in the sand, but once you put those 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:12.400 comments out there and say, like, we need to win 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.200 some damn games. And I think on Tuesday morning he said, 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:18.160 you're gonna see an inspired effort against the Buffalo Bills, 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.360 Like if they come out and lose to the Bills 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:22.560 and then again, you know, maybe taking a step further 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:24.840 and they go up to Chicago and lose in a 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:28.120 miserable cold game up there. We've seen that before. Don't 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:30.720 you have to make good on I hate to call 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:32.640 it a threat, but don't you have to make good 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:34.800 on what you said? But but what you said doesn't 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.240 necessarily say you're gonna make a move now. Yeah, you know, 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:40.000 And here's the problem. If the Cowboys felt to a 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.839 point where they were out of it, then maybe I 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:45.120 buy what you're saying. I don't see I don't see 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:47.640 the happy out of it where they are. That's my point. 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:49.760 Where they are with Philly, I don't think they're ever 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:51.760 gonna be out of it. And so you're not gaining 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:54.240 anything by putting a new coaching. You're not gonna get 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:56.240 better about putting in a new coach. Now. Now, if 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:57.680 you were out of it, then it might just be 0:12:57.720 --> 0:12:59.960 a definitive thing of being able to say to fans, look, 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.079 this wasn't good enough. He's gone. But I don't think 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:04.760 you're going to be in that well. And another thing 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:06.920 that we mentioned is how do the players feel about it? 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:09.840 Does they start dividing people inside the locker room? And 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:13.880 are they still following Jason Garrett. So I think that 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:16.720 once you start seeing that kind of attitude from players, 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:19.600 then he just all goes down heel from there. That's 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:22.280 an interesting point because to this point we have never seen, 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.640 or at least met person. I've never seen a situation 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.280 where Jason has lost his locker room no matter how 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:30.280 things how bad things got. Yeah, they always played hard 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.200 for him and they always gave their best effort. They 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:35.440 may have been a couple situations here and there where 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:38.280 they didn't perform well, but I never felt like the 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:41.280 team wasn't responding to him. Which, for the record, if 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:43.040 I had to put money on it, I don't think 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.080 Jason Garrett would be fired before the end of the 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.360 regular season. But this is not the status quo. Like 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:52.280 the status quo is something bad happens, everybody's frustrated, the 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.280 fans are fed up, and Jerry is kind of standing 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:57.480 in the middle of it taking the brunt of that frustration, 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:00.440 saying it's fine. I believe in my guy, and he's 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:02.840 not saying that this week, and so I have to 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:06.600 at least allow that this feels different, which means you 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:08.719 don't know one hundred percent for sure what's going to 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:11.480 happen that I think he's fired if they lose Thursday. 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:14.560 Really see, that's my point. I just don't believe that. 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:18.720 I don't want season Nessarily he gets fired on Thursday, 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.680 what happens then? Yeah, you pick an inter him and 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:25.760 you have to pick an you know, it doesn't matter 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.600 who do you here? This football team was one and 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.480 seven and two thy ten. Their offense was playing like crap. 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.640 And guess what the offensive coordinator Jason Garrett got a promotion. 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:37.400 Did you deserve it right then? Form based off of 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:39.520 how he was coaching? No? Yes, but at one and 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:41.480 seven they were out of it. I know you're not 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:42.840 going to be out of it no matter what happens 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:44.880 is Thursday. But I agree with what Dave said. I 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:48.360 hadn't thought of it until he just said that. It's scary. 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:50.640 You don't I make good points from time. You don't. 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:52.440 You don't go out there and throw it out there 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:55.280 like that. And then and then and then what well 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.360 you said that you have to win and you and 0:14:57.480 --> 0:14:59.320 now you're six and six football team because you just 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:01.920 lost her to the Bill. Yeah. But the point is, 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:06.320 again we're talking about the eternal optimist here. He still 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:08.160 is in it. His team will still be at the 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:09.720 end of the sturge, whether they went to lose, they 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:11.640 will still be leading the division. But that's right, and 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:14.480 I agree, so and so until until a point where 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:16.520 they're no longer in it, or they no longer have 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.560 an opportunity to turn things around. Then I don't think 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:21.520 that he would make that move. But how many times 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.120 has Jerry Jones. I don't want to say happily but 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:28.360 willingly kind of taking that heat. I brought this up 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:31.120 the other day. Remember last year when the offense was 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:33.600 a joke and he went on the radio and said, like, 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:35.680 we're a couple of players away from being the Rams. 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:38.400 He got roasted for saying that, and it was it 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:42.000 was obviously bs, but he was standing up for his 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:45.280 guys and his team. It's this is not normal. It's 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:47.440 not normal for him to not be taking the heat 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.880 for Jason Garrett and the coaching staff. And I don't 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.480 think that means he's gonna do anything drastic, but I 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:55.840 have to at least allow for the possibility. Think of this. Okay, 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:58.760 it's probably gonna be Christopher Shard would be the interim coach. Okay, 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:02.520 six and six to the Bills. You don't fire Jason Garrett. 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.480 You hang in there. They win a game against the Bears, 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:07.760 lose to the Rams, beat the Eagles, lose or I 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:09.920 mean or lose to the Eagles or whatever whatever it is. 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:11.840 Say you're eight and eight and you and you get 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:14.040 into the playoffs because you lost these two games, but 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:15.720 you beat the Eagles and the Redskins, and you're eight 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:18.000 and eight and you get in. Is that good for 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:20.840 Jason Garrett? Like, and then they lose in the divisional right, 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:25.920 that's not good. Okay, the next scenario six and six, 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:29.360 you fire Jason Garrett, Chris Richard comes in, they win 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:31.440 a game, then they lose a game or whatever. Then 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:34.080 they lose the Eagles, but they beat the Redskins whatever. 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:37.080 They're eight and eight, they get in the playoffs. That's 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:39.480 a different story. Now you're looking at it like, well, 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:42.040 he saved it, he got him in the playoffs. I 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.000 think I think that did he? Though, I mean because 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:47.200 I think most people would agree Jason probably do the 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:48.840 same thing. Right, if you're talking about eight and eight 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.360 playoffs team, I mean that that's what Jason does, right. 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:56.880 He never made the playoffs at eight and night actually right, 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:58.880 But at least you get an early taste of Chris 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.320 Rashard and what he can possibly do instead of just 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:04.320 going into a full year next year of trying out 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:06.440 what he would look like as a head coach. But 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:09.800 if Christoph Shard didn't win out, did you see enough 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.720 that made you say, oh, yeah, he's the guy? In fact, 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:14.920 if he charged it around. Let's say they made the 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:16.920 move and Chris Shard got him to win out, I 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:18.760 don't think, and they got a couple of playoff wins 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:21.480 that probably changes your perspective and says he's your guy. 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:24.359 Without that, I don't know that. But at least they 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:26.760 get to see how he is in those meeting rooms 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:29.600 as a head coach, how he takes like, how he 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:32.679 handles everything responsive. Yeah, yeah, because it's like, are you 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:35.280 gonna magically turn this team around? I don't know, and 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:38.119 I don't think anybody would really expect that to happen, 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:40.800 or if it did, great, But at the same time, 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:44.760 you know, he doesn't get that much time to create magic, 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:47.520 you know. And when you mentioned Garrett becoming the internet 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:53.240 interim coach, what was the season like? It was like? 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:57.840 And that's the thing, honestly, the reason why that happened 0:17:58.160 --> 0:17:59.600 is not so much even I don't think because they 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:01.359 were one seven. It was how they got to one 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:04.439 and seven. Those last two games before the coach got fired, 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.199 they basically were not playing football like, they were just 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:11.000 getting just beat up. And so when it gets to 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:13.639 that point where basically they're not responding to coach or 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:15.960 the coach just doesn't have answers for them, and then 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:17.600 you have to make a move just because you have 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:18.920 to make a move, and it's middle of the season. 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:20.560 You're already one and seven. You're not going to the 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:22.960 playoffs at that point. So I think that was a 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:26.160 whole different scenario than where you are right now. If 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:29.080 he's fired, Do you think that the next coach is 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:33.200 here right now? No? I don't, And I honestly I 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:35.760 think they would go a way more experienced head coach, 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:37.680 because you know, they kind of bounces back and forth. 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:39.160 You get a really experienced one, and then you get 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:40.639 one that's let's take a chance on. Then you get 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:42.359 a really experienced and then you take the one's and 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:44.359 you take a flyer on right which is why I 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:48.240