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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks.

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Speaker 2: It is Wednesday, January seventh, and we have a breaking

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Speaker 2: mess going on in Minneapolis right now. Welcome to this

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Speaker 2: episode of Amy and TJ. We're hopping on because they

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Speaker 2: have been robes a fast moving developments in Minneapolis, and

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Speaker 2: it is ongoing. But ICE agents have apparently robed, shot

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Speaker 2: and killed a woman in Minneapolis as a part of

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Speaker 2: the immigration crackdown that's going on there.

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Speaker 3: And we are watching the aftermath of that shooting because

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Speaker 3: there is massive unrest in the streets of Minneapolis.

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Speaker 4: And that shooting, by the way, was captured at.

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Speaker 3: Least on one cell phone video, but I imagine we'll be

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Speaker 3: seeing several.

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Speaker 4: Different angles of this.

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Speaker 3: And we've got Minneapolis leaders, the mayor speaking out, police chief,

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Speaker 3: and it is getting incredibly difficult to discern what happened,

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Speaker 3: why it happened, and what should happen because of it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is scary and ugly, and I know, I know,

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Speaker 2: I know the mayor, Jacob Price, trying to do his

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Speaker 2: best to keep his city calm, but he got in

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Speaker 2: front of a microphone and rope. We have to say

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Speaker 2: he did bring the temperature up. I would say I

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Speaker 2: no doubt he's frustrated. I know he's pissed. But the

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Speaker 2: mayor of Minneapolis, who many of you all are familiar

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Speaker 2: with and knowa's face from a lot, it's been happening

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Speaker 2: in that city over the years, the past few years.

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Speaker 2: The rhetoric and the words he used were combative. Yes,

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Speaker 2: they were angry. But when the leader of a city

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Speaker 2: out of Minneapolis, his words rose, it's a little shocking,

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Speaker 2: and the anger is there, and you got to respect

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Speaker 2: the anger. But it made me feel like, holy hell,

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Speaker 2: what's about to happen to Minneapolis exactly?

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Speaker 3: And when he said that, he also said that the

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Speaker 3: official word from ICE, which is that they shot or

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Speaker 3: this particular ICE officer shot this woman, a thirty seven

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Speaker 3: year old woman, in the head because she was using

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Speaker 3: her car as a deadly weapon. She was coming at him,

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Speaker 3: and he shot as a response to protect his own life.

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Speaker 3: And the mayor flat out said, ICE trying to spin

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Speaker 3: this a self defense is bullshit.

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Speaker 4: So what you have, then, are people.

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Speaker 3: Who are already angry in the city of Minneapolis, with

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Speaker 3: two thousand plus ICE agents descending on that area. Now

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Speaker 3: you have the mayor saying get the fuck out, and

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Speaker 3: what you're saying is bullshit. You're right now we're seeing

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Speaker 3: like literal fights breaking out in the streets around the

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Speaker 1: Folk.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we are as we are hopping on here, folks.

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Speaker 2: We are watching a lot of this live is playing

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Speaker 2: out online, is playing out on television, and a lot

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Speaker 2: of people, of course are out there who are able

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Speaker 2: of video is coming in. It's a lot to keep

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Speaker 2: an eye on. But this is very, very important to note.

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Speaker 2: This is not the first time we've seen someone in

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Speaker 2: the country who's died as a part of some of

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Speaker 2: ice operations around the country, but Robes, this one is

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Speaker 2: hitting a little different. And now you have what almost

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Speaker 2: sounds like the setting off of a war between Minneapolis

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Speaker 3: D C.

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Speaker 2: Jacob Priye, the mayor of Minneapolis, and Donald Trump. They

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Speaker 2: the words that are being used are scary as hell. Now,

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Speaker 2: we can describe this all day long, road, but Homeland

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Speaker 2: Security put out a statement that is that flies in

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Speaker 2: the face of what the Minneapolis officials are saying. So

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Speaker 2: this is the statement. Now, if you have it up,

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Speaker 2: I don't have it up right now. We'll give you

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Speaker 2: the statement here from Department of Homeland Security. This is

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Speaker 2: the one that the Mayor of Minneapolis just said is bullshit.

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Speaker 4: She said. This is from Christin Home, Department of Home.

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Speaker 1: They officially put this out Department of Homeland Security.

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Speaker 3: Today, Ice officers in Minneapolis were conducting targeted operations when

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Speaker 3: rioters began blocking ICE officers, and one of these violent

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Speaker 3: rioters weaponized her vehicle, attempting to run over our law

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Speaker 3: enforcement officers in an attempt to kill them an act

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Speaker 3: of domestic terrorism. An ICE officer, fearing for his life,

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Speaker 3: the lives of his fellow law enforcement and the safety

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Speaker 4: And that of his fellow officers. The alleged perpetrator was

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Speaker 3: The ICE officers who were hurt are expected to make

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Speaker 3: full recoveries. This is the direct consequence of constant attacks

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Speaker 3: an involving situation, and we will give the public more

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Speaker 2: And that is the statement that the City of Minneapolis

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Speaker 2: calls bullshit. Now there is video out there. Now the

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Speaker 2: different account from the City of Minneapolis was essentially I

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Speaker 2: think they almost described the woman as blocking just blocking

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Speaker 2: the street. Some of even tried to describe as she

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Speaker 2: was driving away. We will give you our best description.

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Speaker 2: You will see it if you haven't already. But by

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Speaker 2: the way, that statement from Christinome, what does she call

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Speaker 4: One of these silent active terrorism? Domestic terrorism?

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Speaker 2: Okay, And by the way, the city of Minneapolis describes

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Speaker 2: who was shot in the head. Now, don't know what

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Speaker 2: she was doing and why she was there, but the

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Speaker 2: video is clear whatever they were doing in that area,

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Speaker 2: you had several federal agents and they had some kind

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Speaker 2: A car pulls up and you hear an Ice agent

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Speaker 2: walking to the door. He's got a mask on, faces covered,

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Speaker 2: and he clearly says get the fuck out of the car,

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Speaker 2: clearly says it walks over puts his hand on the

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Speaker 1: It doesn't open.

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Speaker 2: At that point, we then noticed there is another Ice

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Speaker 2: say she was alone in the car, so she was driving.

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Speaker 2: She hits the gas and takes off and the ice agent,

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Speaker 2: this point. It almost seems like he stumbles. It's icy,

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if it was the ice or

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Speaker 2: if he actually got hit and spun him around, but

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Speaker 2: he was off balance as the car was taking off,

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Speaker 2: and you hear a couple of shots fire now ropes.

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Speaker 2: What other observations do you have of that? That's that

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Speaker 2: maybe could help people put put together what we saw.

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Speaker 3: You described the video very accurate, accurately, And I was

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Speaker 3: actually so this this of whether or not she was

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Speaker 4: We agree on that.

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Speaker 3: What I believe could have happened and is the most

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Speaker 3: likely scenario, is that because we could barely see her

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Speaker 4: She then tries to peel and get away.

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Speaker 3: It is very likely she never saw the ice agent

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Speaker 3: like gunning it to get away. I'm not saying she

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Speaker 3: acted correctly. If a police officer tells you to get

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Speaker 2: Again, I don't want to. As that matter, and as

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Speaker 2: a legal matter, what might have happened, what she might

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Speaker 2: have seen, don't know. But an agent, we have seen cases.

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Speaker 2: This will be something they look into and investigated, so

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Speaker 2: on and so forth with robes in these cases I

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Speaker 2: have seen, I have covered them. When someone is in

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Speaker 2: deadly weapon and he is allowed to use deadly force.

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Speaker 2: I have seen this before. Is that going to be

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Speaker 2: my most worrying issue here. I am worried Robes that

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Speaker 2: this has now set us. We are as hot as

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Speaker 2: political assassinations, how heated we are with our rhetoric now.

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Speaker 2: The mayor put a target on ICE agents in the

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Speaker 2: way he talked about them today.

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Speaker 3: And look, you look, we're all big boys and girls,

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Speaker 3: and we all curse, probably in our private lives. But

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Speaker 3: I have to say, hearing a an elected official on

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Speaker 4: The decorum be damned.

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Speaker 3: Just start dropping f bombs and hurling those at our government.

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Speaker 3: I have never seen anything like that before.

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Speaker 2: That was uncomfortable. I'm trying to give him a past

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Speaker 2: because I know he's mad. I'm trying to give him

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Speaker 2: a past because I know how upsetting this is, and

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Speaker 2: I know they don't want ICE. There a lot of

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Speaker 2: cities don't we get what's happening. Families are being torn apart,

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Speaker 2: all of those things.

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Speaker 1: We get it.

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Speaker 2: But Rome's I and we're looking up here, and we'll

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Speaker 2: get into this a little later where it was a

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Speaker 2: quick thing. Christy Nolan was actually having a press conference

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Speaker 2: now as well.

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Speaker 1: We don't.

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Speaker 2: Will monitor and see what she says and bring that

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Speaker 2: to you. But ros just we've been taught. We talk

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Speaker 2: about this every single day on the morning run, every

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Speaker 2: single day at how hot things are. Wow, wish somebody

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Speaker 2: could just bring the temperature down. And the mayor there

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Speaker 2: in on he said, I got a message for the

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Speaker 2: people of my community and for ice agents. He cussed

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Speaker 2: out ice agents and then told his community to let's

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Speaker 4: We're better than this.

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Speaker 3: But actually what you just said belied your next statement,

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Speaker 3: So it's unfortunate that he had to say, here, let's

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Speaker 3: be better, but first, let me be worse.

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Speaker 4: So he went and met them.

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Speaker 3: At their level at that moment, with the rhetoric and

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Speaker 4: But then he went on to tell.

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Speaker 3: The community, which is what hopefully he could have said

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Speaker 3: just in and of itself, without any of the other stuff.

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Speaker 3: But yes, rise to the occasion, show them who we are.

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Speaker 3: We are better than a bunch of ice agents. Let's

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Speaker 3: meet hate love, let's meet despair with hope. But what

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Speaker 3: you just said thirty seconds before was actually in the

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Speaker 3: complete opposite spirit.

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Speaker 4: So it was tough, and yes, I get it. He

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Speaker 4: was angry, he was upset.

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Speaker 3: There is ah, it's palpable.

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Speaker 4: We're here in New York.

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Speaker 3: I feel the tension coming through the television set at me.

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Speaker 3: This is disturbing. That isn't even the word to use.

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Speaker 3: This is scary, this is I'm afraid. This is just

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Speaker 3: the beginning. Where does this end? This is ramping up

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Speaker 3: to a fever pitch and I don't know, I don't

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Speaker 3: none of us know where this ends.

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Speaker 1: Well, folks, stay here for just a moment.

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Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll give you our thoughts about

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Speaker 2: where this is about to go next and also what

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Speaker 2: we continue to see on the streets of Minneapolis as

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Speaker 2: Amy and TJ hopping on because just an explosive situation

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Speaker 2: right now in Minneapolis. That city is on edge after

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Speaker 2: a woman was killed, shot by an Ice agent. And

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Speaker 2: I'm concerned, Robes about the next person we hear from

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Speaker 2: of consequence, Donald Trump. What is mister President going to

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Speaker 2: say about this one?

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Speaker 3: He is going to take what Christy Nome said and

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Speaker 3: probably level up even further. I mean, she called this

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Speaker 3: an active domestic terrorism. She said that this woman was

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Speaker 3: attempting to run over our law enforcement officers. Like I said,

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Speaker 3: we've seen I've only seen one angle of the video.

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Speaker 3: There are going to be multiple angles of this video.

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Speaker 3: But you can bet that President Trump is absolutely not

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Speaker 3: going to unite and bring the temperature down. I feel

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Speaker 3: very confident in saying that this goes from I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I feel like we're already at a fever pitch to

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Speaker 3: the highest level possible.

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Speaker 4: This is not.

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Speaker 3: This is not going to come down. The temperature is

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Speaker 3: not going to come down.

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Speaker 2: And Minnesota, Minneapolis in particular, how much has been happening

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Speaker 2: there since George Floyd. George Floyd, but from that, it's

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Speaker 2: been hot in that city. And now the President is

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Speaker 2: keenly focused on that community, the mayor, the governor, So

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Speaker 2: Molly's fraud isolations, all of these things are coming at

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Speaker 2: Minneapolis in particular, but Minnesota in a way that breaks

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Speaker 2: your heart for all that's going on. I mean, Rose,

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Speaker 2: we're okay. He kept saying, we're better than this man.

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Speaker 2: We are not proving it day.

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Speaker 4: And day at That's a really good way to put

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Speaker 4: we actually showing.

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Speaker 1: Who we are.

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Speaker 2: We see No, that's wrong too, because we were focusing

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Speaker 2: on the worst sometimes and Rose, we we go out

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Speaker 2: on a weekend and we meet some of the most

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Speaker 2: wonderful people doing the most wonderful things. But though, but

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Speaker 2: why are these voices the only ones getting through?

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Speaker 1: Why are these things.

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Speaker 2: They are the ones that are guiding our politics, our emotions,

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Speaker 2: our communities, just everything.

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Speaker 1: And Rose, I know before.

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Speaker 4: This even happened. It's interesting.

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Speaker 3: I was on a FaceTime with my mom and she said,

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Speaker 3: I know you do this for a living, and I

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Speaker 3: love listening to your podcast, but I'm at a point

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Speaker 3: where I cannot even turn the television on anymore. And

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of Americans are like that. But

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Speaker 3: to turn a blind eye to this or to be

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Speaker 3: apathetic to it isn't a part of the solution. I

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Speaker 3: know it feels safe to be like I just don't

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Speaker 3: even want to watch or see. But this is getting scary,

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Speaker 3: and this is spilling over into our streets. It's affecting everybody.

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Speaker 2: So we should offer always an alternative and some perspective

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Speaker 2: when we do these things. Robes and it's just folks.

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Speaker 2: Please please give folks a little grace. Be a little

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Speaker 2: nicer to the ice agent. Ice agent, be a little

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Speaker 2: nicer to that person you're confronting. And everybody's a criminal,

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Speaker 2: not everybody's out to get I don't know, robes what

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Speaker 2: to do, because being better doesn't seem to work.

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Speaker 1: You know it, you do those do it in small ways.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: That's all you can do.

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Speaker 3: You can only take care of your own actions and reactions.

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Speaker 3: We can all feel things passionately, but what we do

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Speaker 3: with those feelings is on us. And we can in

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Speaker 3: our own way, in our community, in our families and

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Speaker 3: our friend groups. We can try to see what we're

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Speaker 3: seeing out there right now on the streets of Minneapolis

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Speaker 3: and across this country, in different pockets and hotspots that

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Speaker 3: keep popping up, and say I'm going to choose to

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Speaker 3: act differently in my world.

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Speaker 4: In my community. That is all we can do.

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Speaker 3: Because this, you do start to feel powerless, you do

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Speaker 3: start to feel apathetic because you are helpless in a

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Speaker 4: You're just watching this happen. So what can we do

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Speaker 3: We can see this, and we can just commit in

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Speaker 3: our own personal circles to do better and to be better.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to say I'm reading some reports because this

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Speaker 3: story is obviously going to evolve and deepen, and we're

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Speaker 3: going to learn more about who these players are. But

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Speaker 3: from ABC News, they are reporting that Minneapolis City council

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Speaker 3: member said the victim, the thirty seven year old woman,

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Speaker 3: was in fact a US citizen who was he said,

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Speaker 3: an observer who was quote watching out for our immigrant neighbors.

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Speaker 3: So she inserted herself in to this situation and perhaps

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Speaker 3: probably blocked the street thinking she was helping fellow immigrants

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Speaker 4: And we see the end result. Oh my god, she

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Speaker 4: thought she was doing good.

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Speaker 2: We'll keep an eye on this one, folks, and you

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Speaker 2: know what, talk about the focus and you talk about

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Speaker 2: your mom. Just then she said she I can't turn

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Speaker 2: the TV on, folks. We didn't plan on doing this story.

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Speaker 1: You know. The other one we were going to do

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Speaker 1: is just as horrific. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Rob Reiner, yes, yeah, his son was supposed to be in

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Speaker 2: court today, So that's we might hop on an update

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Speaker 2: about that if we got the emotional bandwidth to do so.

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Speaker 2: But Ropes, I'm remembering that it was an officer in

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen in Little Rock, Arkansas. Yes, fired fifteen shots

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Speaker 2: through the front of a car that was coming at him.

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Speaker 2: He was trying to stop a suspect.

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Speaker 1: I quit it.

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Speaker 2: Fired fifteen times. It wasn't terribly injured. But these cases,

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Speaker 2: when you see this and I mean, we're breaking it down,

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Speaker 2: that's fine, we shouldn't. The legal part of it is

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Speaker 2: just what happens. This is going to happen more, is

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Speaker 2: it not?

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Speaker 3: It is because you could hear there was audio, and

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Speaker 3: you could hear how angry the protesters were screaming at

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Speaker 3: the police. The police were screaming at this woman. There

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Speaker 3: was so much yelling and anger. This wasn't about following

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Speaker 1: There was anger anger.

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Speaker 4: There was anger coming from the ice agents period.

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Speaker 3: There was anger coming from the protesters period, and it

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Speaker 3: ramped it up to the.

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Speaker 4: Level where we saw what happened.

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Speaker 3: And it's just awful and tragic and unnecessary and sad.

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Speaker 2: Folks, please check out the video for yourself. We'll keep

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Speaker 2: an eye on what's happening there. But it's important to

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Speaker 2: look at the video. We say it, and yes, it

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Speaker 2: is essentially the video of a woman being killed. You

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Speaker 2: don't see her should we should be clearer, You don't

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Speaker 2: see that nothing. I mean, it's awful to watch, but

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Speaker 2: you're gonna hear all sides telling different stories about this.

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Speaker 2: Please just go look at it for yourself, and you

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Speaker 2: know what. Your eyes are not going to be confused

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Speaker 2: about what you see. You can try to interpret it

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Speaker 2: different ways, but what happened happened.

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Speaker 1: Folks.

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Speaker 2: We always appreciate you spending some time with us. We

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Speaker 2: will hop back on as news. Warrens befrom now On, TJ.

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Speaker 2: Holmes on behalf of