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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind production of My

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey you welcome to Weird House Cinema. This

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Speaker 1: is Rob Lamb and this is Joe McCormick. And Hey,

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Speaker 1: this is the one hundred film selection on Weird House Cinema.

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Speaker 1: And we're we're marking the occasion by finally entering a

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Speaker 1: new century, a new millennium of film. Um, we're we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be talking about our most recent film yet, the

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Speaker 1: twenty two year old Jason X. Now it's Friday on

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Speaker 1: the day of this episode releases. Uh, and of course

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Speaker 1: it being our hundredth episode. I feel like these facts

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Speaker 1: were significant robbed in your suggestion of Jason X for

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Speaker 1: for today's episode, But I think it's an excellent choice.

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Speaker 1: Not so much because I think it's like a great

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Speaker 1: movie or one that I've I'm going to tell people

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Speaker 1: about Inframan or Ship of Monsters. There's some of the

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Speaker 1: other ones we've we've looked at that are just you know,

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Speaker 1: you just want to share that joy with the world.

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Speaker 1: It's not really in that category, but I think it

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Speaker 1: will be fantastic fun to talk about. And I also

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Speaker 1: think It's a great choice because it's a movie with

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Speaker 1: a literal three word plot summary. What's the elevator pitch

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Speaker 1: on Jason X. It's Jason in space? Right, it is

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Speaker 1: known character in previously unexplored setting. Very Dracula goes west. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's looking back on it, it's easy to

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Speaker 1: think this was a no brainer. Of course, Jason goes

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Speaker 1: into space. But another thing about this movie is that

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Speaker 1: not only does the character known to us by by

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Speaker 1: the character is himself changed by the journey because this

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Speaker 1: is the movie where Jason becomes a cyborg. One of

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Speaker 1: the taglines featuring on posters for Jason X was evil

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Speaker 1: it's an upgrade. Yeah, it's um. I mean, there's so

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Speaker 1: much fun in this movie because it is like a

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Speaker 1: character from one genre stepping into another genre, bringing all

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Speaker 1: all the tropes of the genre that he is stepping into.

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Speaker 1: Uh So, it's it's there's so many idea Like you

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Speaker 1: ten car pile up of genre cliches. Now, I thought, Rob,

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Speaker 1: you you found the link to Roger Ebert's half star

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Speaker 1: review of this film. It was not even a whole

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Speaker 1: good bye by referencing some of the things he says

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Speaker 1: about this He begins by quoting a line of dialogue

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Speaker 1: goes on to say, quote rare for a movie to

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Speaker 1: so frankly describe itself, Jason X sucks on the levels

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Speaker 1: of storytelling, character development, suspense, special effects, originality, punctuation, neatness,

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Speaker 1: and aptness of thought. Only its title works. Now, I

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Speaker 1: I want to recognize that my my appreciation for this

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Speaker 1: it's actually good. Yeah. Yeah, this this review actually gave

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Speaker 1: Like Jason goes to Hell. That that that sounds like

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Speaker 1: guy also plays the character Dallas in this. It's Todd

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00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 1: farmer Born. This was his first screenwriting credit and his

427
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: first acting role, and he's gone into act and write

428
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: in a string of horror movies, including the two thousand

429
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: nine remake of My Bloody Valentine. He was also one

430
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Speaker 1: of the writers on the two thousand eleven Nick Cage

431
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: film Drive Angry. I already mentioned uh some of the uh,

432
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: the the other possibilities that came up, and these are

433
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Speaker 1: for this film that Farmers mentioned in interviews. Another one

434
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: that he mentions is Jason takes the Middle East was

435
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: at least explored to some degree as a concept. I'm

436
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 1: glad they did not go in that direction. I can't imagine.

437
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: That sounds terrible, but also I guess it makes sense

438
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: that around that time they were they were thinking of this.

439
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, thankfully they did not go in that direction.

440
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: But two ideas that they mentioned were Jason blade Runner

441
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: and Jason Alien, which obviously it seems like some of

442
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: the ideas from those two buckets ended up in this picture. Yes,

443
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: this film has both a replicant and a monster loose

444
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: on the spaceship. So yeah, the monster, of course is

445
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: Kane Holder. Like we said, who plays Jason Vorhees and

446
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: credit is playing Jason Vorhees slash uber Jason. Um, this

447
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: is cyber Jason that you know, we get. I mean

448
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: he's in the trailer. You know what's going to happen. Uh,

449
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: He's gonna be upgraded into some sort of half mechanical,

450
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: cybernetic superman killer. But we we profiled Kane on the

451
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: Jason Takes Manhattan episode. But yeah, basically born five stunt

452
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: man turned stunt coordinator and actor, with the stunt acting

453
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: credits going all the way back to the nineteen seventies. Um,

454
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: he didn't start playing Jason until New Blood in but

455
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: then subsequently appeared as him in three more Jason movies.

456
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: But before new Blood, he'd appeared as an actor in

457
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: such films as House to an Alligator, playing the alligator uncredited.

458
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: And he's done stunt work in The Hills Have Eyes

459
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Speaker 1: Part two. He also did a leather face stunt work

460
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: in TCM three, and he played Freddie's gloved hand at

461
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 1: the end of Jason Goes to Hell. So Jason is

462
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: a non speaking role, but but Kane Hotter brings a

463
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: lot of performative posture to the character, Like he really

464
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 1: kind of signals Jason's inner life just in the way

465
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 1: he sort of like heaves his chest as he breathes

466
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: or turns his shoulders in his face. Oh yeah, absolutely,

467
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: we we we talked about this is a good bit

468
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: with Jason takes Manhattan, he has he has. It's it's

469
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: easy to dismiss the man behind the mask and say,

470
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: well that's not important, but it is a great physical performance. Agreed.

471
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: Our main protagonist are I guess she's kind of our

472
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: final girl that this movie kind of flips the script

473
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: enough that you don't really have the final girl scenario

474
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: going on here. But uh, the character that that that

475
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: hangs out the longest alongside Jason in this film is

476
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: the character Rowan played by Lexi Dilick. Yeah, she's kind

477
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: of different than than the standard Friday thirteenth final girl.

478
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: Um in that She's not like the the smart, well

479
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: behaved youth among a bunch of party people. She instead

480
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: is from literally a different century. Yeah. But in that

481
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: I guess, because I guess one of the ideas and

482
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: the other Jason films is the Good Girl. The Final

483
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: Girl is also more traditional. She's not one of these

484
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: new youth that are so problematic. And in this yes,

485
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: she's very um traditional because she's from four hundred years ago,

486
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: that's right. Uh. And she's some kind of scientists. She's

487
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: like the director of the Crystal Lake Research Facility, whatever

488
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 1: that is. We never find out what her research specialty

489
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: is other than maybe cryogenics. Yeah, so she ends up

490
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: essentially being our time traveling Final Girl. Lexidag a Canadian

491
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: actor who started on on such TV shows as The

492
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: Hidden Room and Tech War, but eventually went on to

493
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: act on such shows as Earth Final Conflict, The Chris

494
00:28:54,880 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: Isaac Show, and Dromedat hundred, Stargate SG One, Supernatural, Smallville,

495
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: and Continuum. She played Talia al gool on TV's Arrow,

496
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: and she has a major role on The Chucky TV show,

497
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: which I have not watched, but my friend Dave Streepy

498
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: tells me that it is great and uh yeah, she's

499
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: she saw it in this and I think correct me

500
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, but she may be the first lead

501
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: actor of Asian to send in a Friday the Thirteenth movie.

502
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: So I don't know, but I agree she slid in this.

503
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: I mean, no roles in this movie are really written

504
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: with enough panache to like really give the actor is

505
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: anything to grab onto, But she does great with what's there? Yeah,

506
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: I mean, if nothing else, it is the character that,

507
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: at least for a while very much is the one

508
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: warning everybody like you're doing what you still have Jason

509
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: on the ship, etcetera. And so that energy propels her

510
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: for a good, good bit of the run here. Yes,

511
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: we also have a character by the name of Professor

512
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: Lowe played by Jonathan Potts born ninety four. This is

513
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: the sleazy professor that is lead this excursion to Old Earth.

514
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: Will explain all this that uh that ends up resurrecting

515
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: Jason forties for for greed. I don't know why he's

516
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: a professor. He doesn't do anything professor really. I think

517
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: it was just like, you know, an excuse to have

518
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: a cast full of eighteen to twenty four year olds

519
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: as they're often are in these you know, in the

520
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: Friday Thirteenth movies, are like the students, and so I guess, well,

521
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: there should be a professor, but he what's he a

522
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: professor of? He just seems to be like a grave

523
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: robber professor of earth studies. I believe Earth one study

524
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: really is that it. He's an archaeologist but also sleeps back. Um. Now.

525
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: Jonathan Potts himself again Canadian actor, has done a ton

526
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: of TV, especially Canadian TV, over the years, including The

527
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: Hitchhiker in eight nine. He was the voice of Link

528
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: on the Legend of Zelda TV series. Okay, yeah, he

529
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: was on Wait Forever, Hold on a second, there was

530
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: a Legend of Zelda TV series. Yeah, apparently there was.

531
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: I don't remember it, but he he did the voice.

532
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,479
Speaker 1: He was also a voice on a Super Mario series.

533
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: So I don't know if these were Japanese productions that

534
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: were then exported maybe to the North American market, and

535
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: then they've just been brought in. I mean that's probably

536
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: what it was, right, Super Mario Super Show. He may

537
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: have done that one. I think he's credited on that one.

538
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: But mainly he's the voice of of Link on the

539
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: Legend of Zelda TV series Oki Doki. Yeah, but anyway,

540
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: also such credits as Forever Night, the Canadian vampire series

541
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: that maybe many of us probably remember. That one's big

542
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: in my memory as like a thing I would watch

543
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: on hotel cable when my family went on vacation. Yeah,

544
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: it's one I remember as being like one of those

545
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: shows that's on at strange times to watch TV when

546
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: there's nothing else on, and you just find yourself watching

547
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: part of Forever Night, but but not being drawn into

548
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: Forever Night. But also another show pretty much fits the same.

549
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: Bill Kung through the legend continues. But he was in

550
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: Due South, he was in Russell McKay's nine film Resurrection

551
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: alongside Christopher Lambert. He was on Queer as Folk. He

552
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: was in the two thousand ten film Devil, he was

553
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: on the Strain. He was in Supernatural, Working Moms and

554
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: The Coomy Rule. So I've not seen much of that,

555
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: but I would like to see how this actor would

556
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: be used in a Russell mukayy production. And this he

557
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: plays a greedy, sleazy professor. And I don't know if

558
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: there's all that much to say about the part. Like

559
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: like I said about Basically, none of the characters are

560
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: all that interestingly written a right, and it's it's not

561
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: an interesting performance either, Like he's I think it's safe

562
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: to say he's done better in plenty of other places. Now,

563
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: one character that is a fun addition to the lineup

564
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: here is the cyborg k M fourteen played by Lisa

565
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: Rider born nineteen seventy. Okay, now here, they're kind of

566
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: injecting something into the movie. This is something we never

567
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: expected to see Jason versus a robot. It yeah, and

568
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: and it's it's great that they went there. They didn't

569
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: hold back there, Like we're putting Jason in the future

570
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: on a spaceship, should we also have him, uh do

571
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: battle with with an attractive female cyborg? And they said, yes,

572
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: of course we should do that. Why why would we

573
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: set this up if we're not going to give that

574
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: to the viewer. Also, I detect like once she goes

575
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: into Jason battle mode, her character seems strongly at least

576
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: aesthetically matrix influenced with like the gun play in the

577
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: kung Fu and the outfit. That's right, this movie's post

578
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: matrix anyway. Lisa Rider is a Canadian actor still very

579
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: active but she also played a computer woman on TVs

580
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: Andromeda and other TV credits include Earth Final Conflict, Forever Night,

581
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: and The Strain. I hope they're going to be a

582
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: number of these titles that keep coming up. It's kind

583
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: of the same scenario. I encountered a lot watching nineties

584
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: episodes of the Outer Limits. Uh, you have this, this

585
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: this talented pool of Canadian actors, but they appear in

586
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: a lot of these different Canadian productions. Yeah, this is

587
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: the thing that seems to be emerging as we look

588
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: at all the people here. It's just Canada, Canada, Canada.

589
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: It's it's very Yeah, it's a very Canadian film. Um.

590
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: It reminds me a lot of Outer Limits in many

591
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 1: respects because Outer Limits was a series that was filmed

592
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: in Canada, featured mostly Canadian actors, had often really good

593
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 1: practical effects, but often uh, really underperforming digital effects. And

594
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: uh and I would say to digital effects on some episodes,

595
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: maybe many episodes of of Outer Limits when they really

596
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: went for it, were worse than anything we see in

597
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: this film. Wow. But sometimes they also didn't lean as

598
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: heavily on it and so forth. Okay, but so uh,

599
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: this movie has not just a. I guess in switching

600
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 1: it up, it doesn't have a final girl. It has

601
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: more of a final boy. There's kind of a good

602
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: boy who's like nice in contrast to all of the

603
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: other young characters, right, would you say, yeah, yeah, we

604
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: have Sunarin played by Chuck Campbell nine. He's he's a

605
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: robot technician. He's also the robot's boyfriend. He is he's

606
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: the boyfriend of of k M fourteen and um and

607
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: and he's I guess he's also the nerd character, Like

608
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: he's the good boy nerd of the film, but not

609
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 1: the kind of doomed nerd. I mean, there's two different

610
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: kinds of nerds who show up in a Friday the

611
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: Thirteenth ensemble. There is the nerd who you see as

612
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: clearly marked for death by Jason, and then there's the

613
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: kind of sweet nerd who will make it to the

614
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: end of credits. Yeah yeah, which I guess kind of

615
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: It shows how the nerd character in cinema progresses over

616
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: the years, where it's this this character of pure mockery,

617
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: uh in pity becomes this character that is like I

618
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: think from many fans, like we realize, oh, well that

619
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: is us, and so that maybe this character should survive.

620
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: We should focus on the survivability of this character as

621
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: opposed to anything else. We got to flatter the audience,

622
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: which is in this case a theater full of nerds. Yeah, yeah,

623
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: myself included. Though I did not get to see it

624
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 1: on the big screen. I probably saw this on DVD,

625
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: but at any right, campbell Um. His other TV credits

626
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: include Stargate Atlantis, and he also had a small role

627
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: as a customer I'm not sure which customer in John

628
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: Carpenter's in the Mouth of Madness. Oh and then we

629
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: have another fun member of the cast here. Peter Mensa

630
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: plays Sergeant Broadski. This is our head space marine aboard

631
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: the ships called the Grendel. If I'm the Grendel, Yes,

632
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: the Grendel, lead space machine on the Grendel. Sergeant broad

633
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: Sky here space marine, space marine. Yes, what I say

634
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: space machine. No, but he is a machine because he

635
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: is he is quite a physical specimen. Uh. And I

636
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: think a charismatic, fun performance like It's I feel like

637
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: it's impossible to not like Peter Mensa in this movie.

638
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: I agree totally. Once again, there's not a lot to

639
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: this character on the page, Like basically for all the characters,

640
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: but Peter Mensa brings a lot to the role. He's

641
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: He's just very charming um and delivers even lines that

642
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: would be cringe e off the lips of another actor

643
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: with with you know, a good sense of fun. Yeah.

644
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: I think he's a solid action movie acting presence and

645
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: uh and it is very likable in the film. Um

646
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: he's a Ghandhian English actor who gamers will probably recognize

647
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: for his voice and likeness as Zach Hammond in two

648
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: thousand eights dead Space, the original Dead Space video game.

649
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a part of the remake that

650
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: they're putting out soon, but hey, he mince has been

651
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,959
Speaker 1: busy with other things because his TV credits include Earth

652
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: Final Conflict, Highlander, The Raven that's the spinoff, um Star

653
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: Trek Enterprise, Terminator, the Sarah Connor Chronicles. Uh, the Spartacas

654
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: TV show or TV shows is a big one. He

655
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: had a recurring character on those UM those series. Uh,

656
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: let's see, he was on True Blood, Sweepy Hollow, the

657
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: Agents of Shield. Um. On the film front, he was

658
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: in two thousands Bruiser, the George Romero film. Oh, and uh,

659
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people will remember him from two thousand

660
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: six is three hundred, in which he played the Persian

661
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: messenger who gets kicked down a well. This is of

662
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,479
Speaker 1: course the famous this is Spartat scene, bummer, how dare

663
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: you kick Peter Mensa down in a well? As Sparta sucks?

664
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: They maybe they felt bad about it, and that's why

665
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: they brought him back for three hundred, Rise of an Empire,

666
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: a movie that I watched like a minute of in

667
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: an airplane once. Oh. But he was also in two

668
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: thousand eighth, Incredible Hole, two thousand nines, avatar Um. He

669
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: was in the Scorpion King Colon Book of Lost Souls

670
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: from two thousand eighteen and Snake Eyes from one So

671
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: he's been a very busy man over the years. He's

672
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 1: got a great moment where the sleazy professor is trying

673
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: to talk him into uh taking Jason alive, and uh,

674
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: you know, he keeps offering him increasing sums of my

675
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: me and then at one point he seems to acquiesced, like, okay, yeah,

676
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: give me five hundred thousand dollars and we'll take Jason alive.

677
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: And then he walks away to his grunts and says

678
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: to them Okay, professor wants me to take him alive,

679
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: so you know, after you blast him to pieces, put

680
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: one in his legs so it looks like we tried. Yeah,

681
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: he's just he's just a good character. He has a

682
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: good moral fiber. And correct me if I'm wrong in this,

683
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: because your knowledge of the Jason movies farser passes my own.

684
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: But I feel like this character, uh, the sergeant here

685
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: is unlike anything Jason's gone up against before, Like this

686
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: is a strong, physically capable and trained guy that he

687
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: has to combat. Yeah, basically, well, I mean, so do

688
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: do I want to discuss the details of Jason Goes

689
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 1: to Hell? So Jason Goes to Hell begins with Jason

690
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: like getting blown up by a I don't know, military brigade,

691
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: swat team or something. They like blow him to pieces,

692
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: and then they take the pieces to uh coroner's office,

693
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: I think, And then the corner like starts looking at

694
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: his heart and then eats it and then becomes Jason.

695
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: This is what I recall happening. So, I mean, he

696
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: has faced real force before, but I think only in

697
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: that instance. Um, so, no, he he has never like

698
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 1: done battle with a with a tough guy like Peter

699
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: Mensa and so so this is pretty much new all right, Um,

700
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: there's another character in this Gecko. Is Gecko a space

701
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 1: marine as well? I don't remember. Okay, See, she didn't

702
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: stand out to me all that much in in previous

703
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: viewings of the of the film, but she stood out

704
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: this time because if you've spent any amount of time

705
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: during the pandemic watching Canadian comedy series on Netflix like

706
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: I have, then you will recognize Gecko, played by Amanda

707
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: Bruegel as pastor Nina from Kim's Convenience and also as

708
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: the character Sonia from Working Moms, another popular Canadian uh

709
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: comedy that aired on Netflix here in the States. I

710
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: haven't seen either of those shows. Yeah, yeah, she's a

711
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: she's a talented comedic actor. She didn't really get to

712
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: do that in this film. She's just another space marine

713
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: killed by Jason in this. But yeah, she's been in

714
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: a ton of things. She's recent She recently played Rita

715
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: Blue on thirty five episodes of The Handmad's Tale. She

716
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: was on The Snow Pierce for TV series, which I watched,

717
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: but I you know, I don't remember her from that

718
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: as much. Uh. She was on Orphan black and on

719
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: the movie front, she was in Suicide Squad and she's

720
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: going to be in Brandon Cronenberg's upcoming Infinity Pool among others.

721
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: That's a movie title, not a not no, not yet,

722
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: not just his infinity pool in his backyard. He yeah,

723
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: he has it on that that website where you rent

724
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 1: out your pools two people, and she's going to she's

725
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: gonna rent it. It's it's exciting. Hey, but you just

726
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: said the name Cronenberg and we've been talking about Canada NonStop.

727
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: What what what? What? What's going on here? Oh? Well, yes,

728
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: David Cronenberg himself shows up playing Dr Wimmer or Dr Wimmer.

729
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: I can't remember how they pronounced, you know, if they

730
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: say his character's name, I don't even recall it because

731
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: it's just David Cronenberg on screen and the character I

732
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: think is David Cronenberg. Yeah, this is David Cronenberg, the

733
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: legendary Canadian director born three. We talked all about David

734
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: Cronenberg the director last week on our Scanners episode, but

735
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: this week we're talking about David Cronenberg the actor. And

736
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: did he end up in this I'm not sure, but

737
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: I mean it is Canadian and he just shows up

738
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: at the beginning to say it's almost as if he

739
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: got wind this film was being made near his house,

740
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: and he was like, I would like to be skewered

741
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: by Jason. I mean it. It does seem to be

742
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: the Isaac connection here, the connection to the director. But

743
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's It's interesting to look at Cronenberg's acting

744
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: credentials over the years, because, as is often the case

745
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: with directors, you do find him cameoing in his own

746
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: works as early as seventy five Shivers. He also did

747
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: a cameo in John Landis five film Into the Night,

748
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: but his first er role in another director's film was

749
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: his fun turn is Dr Philip K. Decker and Clive

750
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: Barker's dark fantasy horror film Night Breed. He's super creepy

751
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: in that. Yeah. Yeah, and I think that that really

752
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 1: put him more on the radar for everyone else. They're like, oh,

753
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: Cronenberg is like he can he can actually act. He

754
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: has a nice screen presence and and uh, and I thought, yeah,

755
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: I think that film Night Breed is a very interesting

756
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: one to sort of hee's apart and figure out it

757
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: has a lot of I think a lot of strong

758
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 1: things going for it that have been appreciated over the years.

759
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: It's a It's Barker's um adaptation of his own novella Cabal.

760
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, Cronenberg has a great role in that is

761
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 1: this uh this uh, this doctor that seems to be

762
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: very much on the side of our troubled protagonist but

763
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 1: then turns out to be a um a psychopath. Yeah,

764
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: he's uh incredibly unsettling in that movie. He does a

765
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: kind of soft spoken performance that's I guess how Cronenberg

766
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: actually talks in life as well, but it's it's effectively unsettling. Um.

767
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: And oh hey, we we got another Cronenberg connection, right

768
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: a character actor we talked about in last week's episode

769
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: on Scanners. Oh yeah, Yeah, that's right. Robert A. Silverman

770
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: um is in this one playing Dieter Perez uh Silverman

771
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: born ninety three. Uh. Like we said last week, guess

772
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: the Cronenberg regular another Canadian actor. He played the scanner

773
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: artist and Scanners who makes the big head sculpture that

774
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: he goes inside to talk to the main character in. Yeah,

775
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: he plays a great weirdo. This film is no exception,

776
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: but his part is essentially a zoom call from bed

777
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: he's he's he's almost literally phoning it in in a

778
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: modern sense, though they clearly had to set this up

779
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: to get the zoom experience in two thousand and one.

780
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: And then, finally, the music in this film is by

781
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: The score is by Harry Manfordini. Three. You know, when

782
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: we watch Jason Takes Manhattan, I think we, or at

783
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: least I d of bemoaned the fact that fred Moland

784
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: did the music instead of Harry Manfredini, who scored the

785
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: original Friday the Thirteenth score and also created that excellent

786
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: uh Friday the Thirteenth Part three song that was a

787
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: legit disco hito uh And we're like, oh, why couldn't

788
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: man Fordini be on board for this one? Well, man

789
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: from Deeedy did compose the score for Jason X, and

790
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: from from from my cast, it ranges from forgettably mediocre

791
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: and serviceable to just actively annoying. I think I can

792
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: say it without feeling bad because he's had a lot

793
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 1: of success in other ways and and done great stuff.

794
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 1: The music in this movie is awful, just terrible. Yeah,

795
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: yeah again, that bit from the score for part three

796
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: is amazing and this is not okay, You're ready to

797
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: talk about the plot. Let's do it because it's a Friday.

798
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: The third movie, same thing came up in Jason Takes Manhattan.

799
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: We're not going to do every scene in this movie.

800
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: A lot of it is formulaic slasher stuff, but we're

801
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: going to talk about the set up and then some

802
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: broad themes and interesting things that stick out. So the

803
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: opening credits play over what seems to be a vision

804
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: of Dante's Inferno that they're suggesting some kind of demonic

805
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: cavern deep in the earth. It's full of spires and mountains,

806
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: gloomy clouds and castle ramparts, and everything is dark and

807
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: dank and bursting with fire. And this is a particular

808
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: kind of murky, ugly two thousand one c g I

809
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: a look that I very much associate with horror movies

810
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: and video games of the early to mid two thousands.

811
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: Think of c g I environments where everything is kind

812
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: of muddled and muddy and hard to see, and that

813
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: the dominant colors are like brown and orange, and there

814
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: are modeled texture mats over everything, modeled like m O

815
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: T T L ed uh. And so I think of

816
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: like Silent Hill or Resident Evil, for do you know,

817
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: what I mean with these these animated textures. Yeah, definitely

818
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: on the Silent Hill front night. I spent a lot

819
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: of time in the in the Silent Hill game, so

820
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're talking about. And here I

821
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: think it might be useful to refer back to Roger

822
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: Ebert's review to see to what extent we agree or

823
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: disagree with his comments. So Ebert writes about the effects

824
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: in this movie. He says, quote. With Star Wars Episode two,

825
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: Attack of the Clones opening in mid May, there's been

826
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: a lot of talk lately about how good computer generated

827
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: special effects have become. I was, I was like, what

828
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: citation needed? But then I remember people used to talk

829
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: about the Star Wars prequels this way. I mean, no,

830
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to knock on the Star Wars prequels again.

831
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Speaker 1: They have their detractors and their defenders, and and their

832
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: their pluses and minuses to them. But I think one

833
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: of the things I do not love about the Star

834
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: Wars prequels is the kind of uh weightlessness of the

835
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: c g I and frorements in them. Yeah. Yeah, there's

836
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: certainly plenty of things that that still hold up well

837
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 1: on those films. But there are some some areas that

838
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: could use a fresh code of digital paint if such

839
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 1: a thing were possible. Yeah. But but Ebert goes on

840
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 1: on the basis of the effects in Jason X and

841
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: the much more entertaining Scorpion King. Okay, we can also

842
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: chat about how bad they are getting referring to computer

843
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: generated effects. Perhaps audiences do not require realistic illusions, but

844
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: simply the illusion of realistic illusions. Shabby special effects can

845
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: have their own charm. And you know what, that took

846
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 1: an interesting turn. And I agree with that last sentence

847
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: in multiple ways, because I often not only enjoy, but

848
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: especially seek out a certain kind of artful non realistic

849
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: practical effect. Non realistic practical effects as their own art form,

850
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: and I think you can appreciate them the same way

851
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: you would appreciate like the design of a theater set.

852
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: So if you go to see a play with good sets,

853
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: usually the set is not going to conform to strict realism.

854
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: It's not like tricking you into thinking that that's a

855
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: real tree. Instead, it will lightly suggest a location in

856
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: an esthetically pleasing way. And non realistic special effects in

857
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: movies can be pleasing even if you wouldn't mistake them

858
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 1: for like real footage of whatever phenomenon they're attempting to suggest.

859
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: The effects in Jason X have a totally different kind

860
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 1: of charm. They're certainly not realistic looking exactly. I mean,

861
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: they're those you know, two thousand one era c g

862
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: I effects. Uh, there's there's one notable exception that looks

863
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: pretty convincing. They are definitely not beautiful again, except for

864
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: maybe one exception in a perverse way. Instead, they are pleasing,

865
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: and I would say exactly the same way that it

866
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: is pleasing to look at tasteless but elaborately dirt tattoos.

867
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: Like imagine a guy with a full back Shrek tattoo.

868
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 1: That's kind of what the effects in this movie are like.

869
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm not saying it's like beautiful, but it's

870
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 1: also kind of not something I want to stop looking at.

871
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 1: It's interesting because I definitely went into this film with

872
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: that Ebert review and his critique of the special effects

873
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: in the forefront of my mind, and so I was

874
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,919
Speaker 1: ready to hate on them. But for the most part,

875
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 1: I did not have that experience with him. I think

876
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 1: part of it, and I very much agree with with

877
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: with with abridge. General take on effects here, I think

878
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: the thing is that a lot of these special effects

879
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: that we see and Jason next, the purely digital effects

880
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: are of spaceships moving through space, and in that it's

881
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: detached enough from human interaction that it can look a

882
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: little uh raw, It can look a little rough by

883
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: our modern standpoint, and it doesn't really um throw me

884
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 1: out of the experience of watching the movie. Likewise, there's

885
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: a scene where we see a couple of big alien

886
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: looking monsters in this and then we realized pretty quickly

887
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: that they are simulations on like a hollow deck environment,

888
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: and therefore we're like, Okay, well, of course they don't

889
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 1: look realistic. This is a simulation, and so that distance

890
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, they look kind of like an ugly

891
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: computer game. And in fact I didn't mind that scene

892
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 1: at all. I kind of like that. Yeah. So yeah,

893
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: I guess by and large, it would be different if

894
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: there was an actual digital thing, like if Jason were digital,

895
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: that would be like it's it's hard to imagine just

896
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: how ugly this movie would be if for some illogical

897
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: reason they're like, we don't need Kane Hoder, We're going

898
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: to simulate Jason virtually, Like, imagine all the things we

899
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: can do now if he's a pure digital effect, and yeah,

900
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: it's that that would be horrible. Well I feel like

901
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: that even that, if done right, could succeed on the

902
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: Shrek Tattoo level, but not not so much on the

903
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: other levels. Yeah, I you know, you get into I

904
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: guess the pure digital effects, you get into the weightlessness problem,

905
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: like how is it interact with the environment? How are

906
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: people interacting with that? And I mean that's a problem

907
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: even in really well done digital effects movies or not,

908
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: maybe not a problem, but it's it's, for instance, very

909
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 1: noticeable if you go back and watch the Harry Potter films,

910
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: like watch the films with Adobe, the Elf in Adobe

911
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: being a digital effect, watch how other actors interact with

912
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: that character, or or more particularly, watch how Gary Oldman

913
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: acts opposite the house Elf versus everyone else, Like Oldman

914
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: brings that character to life in a way, uh that

915
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: no one else in the in the films, for the

916
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: most part, is able to do. And it's due to

917
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: just how talented Oldman was, talented in a way you

918
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: cannot expect of just an average performer. Yeah, yeah, I

919
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: see what you're saying. I mean, like Gary Oldman, I'm

920
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 1: sure you could just put opposite a brick wall and

921
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: have him imagine that that wall is giving a performance

922
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: for him to react to. Right, But you give any actor,

923
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: say a rubber snake to wrestle with, and they're probably

924
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,479
Speaker 1: gonna do something that you can get into, Like there's

925
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: a certain physical reality there that even if they're only

926
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: going you know, half energy on it, you can still appreciate. Yeah,

927
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: it's a bride of the monster. Bell will go see

928
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: wrestling with the octopus arms. Yeah, and we know it's

929
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: not a real octopus arm, but it's like it's being touched.

930
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: It's physical. We can see it, and therefore the it's

931
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,439
Speaker 1: easier for us to buy. It's not that you look

932
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: at it and say that looks real. It's that you

933
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: look at it and say I like that. Yeah, you

934
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: look at it, and you go on on another level,

935
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: this is truth, what I'm seeing, what I am observing

936
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 1: experiencing his truth. Okay, But anyway, so you start with

937
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: this like sort of hideous c g I environment and

938
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: you zoom out to reveal that this like fire blasting

939
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: hell cavern is actually the inside of Jason's head. It

940
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: was like the it was like the sort of the

941
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: veins in or the arteries whatever those are in in

942
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: Jason's eyeball. And uh So for the credit sequence, we

943
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: see Jason is restrained in the laboratory and scientists are

944
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: looming over him with hypodermic needles. They're doing jason Ology.

945
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: And this is the beginning premise of the film that

946
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 1: you know they're doing studies on him. I guess it's

947
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: never established how he was captured. Yeah, yeah, they mentioned

948
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: that they have tried multiple ways to kill him, and

949
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: I didn't cross check the ways they mentioned with how

950
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: they actually kill him in other films, so, as far

951
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: as I know, those were all within a laboratory setting. Yeah,

952
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: I think that when she's talking, when the main character

953
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: in this movie is talking about how he was captured

954
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: and that they tried to destroy him, that's all off screen.

955
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: That's not like what happened in the movies before. So

956
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: there's a new scene, big dark room with Jason on

957
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: a raised platform. He's like secured by locks, and um

958
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: we see text on the screen and the terminator font

959
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: saying Crystal Lake Research Facility subject to Jason Vorhees status

960
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 1: awaiting cryogenic suspension, and Jason's just staring the floor expressionless.

961
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: You can see his one of his eyes through the

962
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: hockey mask. But then, oh, is that I'm going to

963
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,720
Speaker 1: drift up and look at somebody. There's a guard nearby.

964
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: I don't know that. This opening is just really like

965
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: out of nowhere and throws you straight into this absurd situation.

966
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: And I like that. Yeah, this whole opening could be

967
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,919
Speaker 1: a short film of and and it would it would

968
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: still be richly amusing. Um. I get a big kick

969
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: out of a research facility being established at Crystal Lake

970
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: to properly study the localized phenomenon that is Jason Vorhees.

971
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,280
Speaker 1: It's kind of like if they established the Elm Street

972
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: sweep Studies lab or the hadden Field Gunshot Survivability Workshop.

973
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: You know, yes, yes, Uh, it's it's a good concept.

974
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: So we see Jason there, like his his eye locks

975
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: on the bumbling guard and then kind of squints like

976
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,720
Speaker 1: like he's like, I'm gonna get you. And the guard

977
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: gets creeped out and throws a blanket over Jason. Uh.

978
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: And then next thing, Oh, here comes von Kronenberg. I

979
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 1: mean just here he is. Uh, he's walking down a corridor,

980
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 1: a shiny corridor with a platoon of military dudes, and

981
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: a lady pops into frame. This is Dr Rowan. Her

982
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: last name, according to Wikipedia is La Fontane. They just

983
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: call her Rowan in the movie, but Dr Rowan Lafontaine.

984
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: This is Alexa Doeg And she she asks David Cronenberg, Hey,

985
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: you know what are you doing. He says he's going

986
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: to take the specimen. And she says, wait, you can't

987
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: do that that the cryd stasis facility isn't ready yet.

988
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: And David Cronenberg is like, well, we're not going to

989
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 1: freeze him. I want him soft. I'm taking him to Scranton,

990
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: which was a real laugh out loud moment for us.

991
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: I think he says, to the Scranton facility. So what's

992
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: at the Scranton facility. Well, they are going to study

993
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: Jason Vorhees regeneration ability. Think of all the medical advances

994
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: we could unlock if we turn regular sick people into

995
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: Jason Vorhees is. Now there's a whole movie concept they

996
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: just leave right there on the table. Now Rowan objects

997
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: to this because this would involve I guess he's just

998
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: taking Jason down the highway in a truck or something,

999
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: and she says, I'm moving him over open country or

1000
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: she asks are you willing to risk the deaths of

1001
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: innocent civilians for your research? And David says yes, but he,

1002
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: you know, he assures her, he's like, look, don't worry

1003
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: about it. I've got a bunch of unnamed military grunts

1004
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: with me, so it's impossible for anything to go wrong. Yeah,

1005
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: He's like, don't worry about it. He's he's already not

1006
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: your problem anymore. Yeah, I'm surrounded by extras. How could

1007
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: you imagine something bad could happen? So anyway, David Cronenberg

1008
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: and all his buddies going to to get the meat,

1009
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: and they go into the big room and there's the

1010
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: figure covered in a blanket, just like Jason was when

1011
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: we saw him last. But oh reveal they pulled the

1012
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: blanket off and it's the guard, not Jason. Jason jumps

1013
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: up out of nowhere. He massacres all the military dudes.

1014
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: He throws a spear through David Cronenberg's stomach. Rowan observes

1015
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: this carnage, and then there's a chase, and she cleverly

1016
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: tricks Jason into the cryogenic freezing chamber, which, by the way,

1017
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: she just said was not ready yet, so I don't

1018
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: know when it got ready. Um, But she like tricks

1019
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: him in there, slams the door on him, and initiates

1020
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: the freezing sequence, so she won right movie over. Yeah,

1021
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: Like I say, if they'd ended it right here, this

1022
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: would have been a pretty fun little Jason gets frozen

1023
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: short film. But nope, Jason uh takes his machete and

1024
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: stabs through the wall of the freezer and so he

1025
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: kind of pokes her with the machete and she's like

1026
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: and falls over injured. But then the I guess the

1027
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: cold air or the freezer gas starts gushing out of

1028
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: the chamber through the machete hole into the room, and

1029
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: then another door locks to contain the leak. So Jason

1030
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: gets frozen, and then Rowan gets frozen as well. They're

1031
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: both frozen, and then seemingly the whole Owl facility is

1032
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: just abandoned for the duration of life on Earth. Yeah,

1033
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: nobody ever checks to see what happened in there, because

1034
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: we cut two hundreds of years later and we get

1035
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: a copy of the opening scene in Aliens Deep Salvage

1036
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: Team prize into the facility to check it out, except

1037
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: it's not a deep salvage team. It's a professor and

1038
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: a group of college students and a robot or cyborg

1039
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: named KM, and so they come in looking around at everything,

1040
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: and they're consulting the robot. KM has information on everything,

1041
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: so they're like, what's this. You know, they're consulting her

1042
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: about the make and model of the cryogenic freezer in

1043
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: the room, and I noticed continuity error because she says

1044
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: that this uh freezer was manufactured in the year but

1045
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: later in the movie they say that the movie is

1046
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: taking place, it's in the year and she says that

1047
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: is four hundred and fifty five years after she was frozen,

1048
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: so they say that the freezer was manufactured ten years

1049
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: after she was frozen. Okay, well, yeah, that's that's wrong.

1050
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm disappointed that Jason X didn't do it. It's

1051
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: an ath that right here. Let's open up the freezer.

1052
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: They do, and it's Jason in a raised machete pose.

1053
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: I guess he froze like that. They say humanoid but

1054
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: organic composition unclear, and then they're like, what's that on

1055
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: his face? And this will begin a trend of future

1056
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: jokes in the movie. There's a lot of just jokes

1057
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: about like, oh, the future is very far from now,

1058
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: so they say, well, this is facial armor used in

1059
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: a sport that was outlawed in so as of this year,

1060
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: we've only got like another year or two left of

1061
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: hockey all right, strapped in for that. But there are

1062
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: a lot of jokes like this in the movie. It's

1063
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: like at one point, um uh, Alexa Doeg says, uh,

1064
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: you never forget this. It's just like riding a bike,

1065
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: and one of the characters says, what's a bike? Yeah, yeah,

1066
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: they it's a fun it's a fun trope to to

1067
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: use in your cryogenic time travel film. So anyway, they

1068
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: discover Jason, and they discover Roman, both of them, and

1069
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: they realized that she can be thought out. Um oh,

1070
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: and also one of the student guys gets his arm

1071
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: chopped off when ice Jason tips over and falls on

1072
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: him machete first, which is a pretty hilarious moment. Yeah,

1073
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: it's a great moment. And uh, I like how they

1074
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,439
Speaker 1: they're establish they've already alluded to this with the whole

1075
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: you can't carry Jason cross country, the idea that that

1076
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: Jason is so dangerous that he's still extremely dangerous and

1077
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: potentially lethal even while he's completely inert, like he can

1078
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 1: just fall over and kill people, right. And fortunately for

1079
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: the the guy, this is the twenty five century, so

1080
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: like his arms off now. But there's nano medicine on

1081
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: board the ship that can easily repair a severed arm. Uh,

1082
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: the nanobox will heal all and they do. Yeah, we

1083
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: just pour a little gray goo on there and it'll

1084
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: do its work. So they bring Rowan and Jason, both

1085
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: frozen on board the spaceship and they blast off. Oh

1086
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 1: and by the way, on the on the way out,

1087
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: we see that the Earth in this timeline is now

1088
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: a horrible waste land and humans are now based on

1089
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: a planet called Earth. To Earth kind of looks similar

1090
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: to the inside of Jason's head. It's like in the

1091
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: hundreds of years since then, Earth became Jason's soul. It's

1092
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 1: you know, stormy brown and orange c g I desert.

1093
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: Oh and also Earth orbit is just thick with space junk.

1094
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 1: It kind of mirrors what you were talking about with

1095
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: the Friday the Thirteenth franchise, though, like everything has just

1096
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: been just been written to death. We just completely drained

1097
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: it of all its resources and and and enjoyment and life,

1098
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 1: and this is what we're left with. We've got to

1099
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: have a new beginning on Earth too, and Jason X

1100
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 1: is kind of that Earth too for the franchise. Yeah, okay,

1101
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: I can see that. Uh So, anyway, there's a bunch

1102
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: of cliche ridden chatter from the various characters who we

1103
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: meet as the as the students and the frozen people

1104
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 1: come back on the ship. And you've got the three

1105
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: sort of buckets of characters, Like it's not just the students.

1106
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: You have the Space College students, who are you know,

1107
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: your standard Friday thirteenth type characters. But then you also

1108
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: have Space Truckers and Space Marines. Yeah, and I guess

1109
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: the Space Truckers they kind of they're like the Space

1110
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 1: and Guild of this of this this world, this universe.

1111
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: They control movement between the worlds. They've got a monopoly

1112
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: on it. Uh You've got the Space Marines, they've got

1113
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: to protect these the Earth to interest when you go

1114
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: to the lawless world of Earth one. And then yeah,

1115
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 1: the Space College students that it's the college that's paying

1116
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: for this whole thing. This is a journey of exploration.

1117
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: This Jason Retrieval was done with grant money. Yeah yeah,

1118
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: part of again, part of the Earth one Studies program. Well, anyway,

1119
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: all of these buckets of characters, again, they behave pretty

1120
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: much exactly as horror conventions dictate. I'm not gonna pretend

1121
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot of originality here. It's sort of, you know,

1122
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: it's be horror movies by the books, except it's in

1123
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: a kind of funny way, smashing several very different be

1124
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: horror genres into one movie. So you've got kind of

1125
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 1: an alien clone with the Space Truckers, You've got an

1126
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: Aliens clone with the Space Marines, and then you've just

1127
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: got straight up Friday thirteen. Yeah. And there are a

1128
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: lot of characters in this, and I I I do.

1129
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: We didn't have time to really mention them all, and

1130
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: for some of them, Jason X is probably their most

1131
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: notable picture. But again, a lot of Canadian actors and

1132
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: I think most most of the most of them did

1133
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: pretty good with what they had to work with in

1134
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: Jason X. Yeah, so we're almost done with the set

1135
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: up here, but we've got Jason. They bring him and

1136
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: he's lying on an operating table throwing out in the

1137
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:55,919
Speaker 1: ship's laboratory just drip and slime for the floor while

1138
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: while Rowan is revived from cryosleep by the nanobots, which

1139
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 1: they the ants, and she wakes up, she's instantly lucid.

1140
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: They tell her it's the five and she says, uh,

1141
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 1: that's over four hundred years in the future. Well, she's

1142
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: she's in shock, She's in shock. Yeah. There is a

1143
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 1: scene where the greedy, scheming Professor gets on a video

1144
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 1: call with Robert Silverman, the guy from Scanners. Uh and uh,

1145
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 1: Silverman's I think he's playing like like a fence or

1146
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: something like a guy who will market a stolen artifacts

1147
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: for the Professor that he loots from twenty one century Earth.

1148
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 1: And so the Professor is like, I've got a gold mine,

1149
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: and Silverman says, a box of DVDs is not a

1150
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 1: gold mine. I can't move them, suggesting that he's been

1151
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:48,439
Speaker 1: repeatedly showing up with DVDs recovered from from the dead Earth. Uh.

1152
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: And I don't know exactly how to interpret this line.

1153
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 1: Is it like, oh, is this, you know, like old

1154
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: media that people want to watch, or is it more

1155
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 1: like this would be a valuable artifact the way we

1156
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 1: would regard like medieval manu script today. Mm hmmm, oh yeah, yeah.

1157
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 1: Are they watching their cinemas or or is it just

1158
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: the the physical artifact like kind of like a Jerry

1159
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: or something, you know, the cinemas. Yes, I was thinking

1160
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: of overdrawn at the memory bank. Is it like DVDs

1161
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: are illegal in the future and people seek them out

1162
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: from older Yeah, and it's so like is it kind

1163
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: of like a Jerry McGuire situation, where like the vast

1164
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: majority of the CDs are just one or two different pictures.

1165
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 1: It's whatever was mass produced off of a particular blockbuster.

1166
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 1: I want these movies from two thousand one. Get me

1167
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 1: a copy of Domestic Disturbance starring John Travolta. Yeah. I

1168
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: guess The joke here, though, is that DVDs were still

1169
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 1: really hot and in two thousand and one and didn't

1170
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 1: start declining until years later. I guess mhm. But anyway,

1171
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 1: the professor is like, Nope, not DVDs. I've got a

1172
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: couple of frozen people from more than four hundred years ago,

1173
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 1: and Silverman is unimpressed. Apparently, this future timeline is just

1174
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 1: flood with people who have been reanimated from hundreds of

1175
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 1: years earlier Rowan now is going to be the oldest

1176
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: ever revived. But that's just not interesting to Silverman. Yeah,

1177
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: how's he gonna make any money after that? But then

1178
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: he looks at the file. He's like, wait a second,

1179
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: this other one you recovered, that's Jason Vorhees. He killed

1180
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 1: nearly two hundred people and simply disappeared without a trace.

1181
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: He could be worth a fortune to the right buyer. Why,

1182
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, but the greedy professor he wants money,

1183
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 1: so he's he's going to get the money by selling

1184
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 1: Jason's like this, this slimy hockey mask guy to somebody

1185
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 1: even that that presents possibilities that could have been their

1186
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 1: own movie, like a collector of of strange and grotesque

1187
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 1: things from the Old Earth. They want to, you know,

1188
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 1: to put put Jason Vorhees on display, uh in their

1189
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: in their mansion and their Earth to mansion, Like that

1190
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 1: would be a whole movie right there. Or you could

1191
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: go back on that whole regeneration lab thing, like oh yeah,

1192
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: people on Earth two they want to live forever. They've

1193
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 1: been working on it. They've got those nanobots. But nothing

1194
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 1: beats good old fashioned supernatural immortality. That's true, and we

1195
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: could learn how to harness that supernatural immortality for ourselves.

1196
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: We could make Jason nanobots. What if Jason became a

1197
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 1: swarm of nanobots? That would be there? You go, Oh,

1198
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 1: I'm glad they did not go in that direction purely

1199
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: for the effects, because that is exactly the the the

1200
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: full digital Jason that we did not want to see.

1201
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 1: That would be the scorpion King Jason that that the

1202
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 1: effects department here was not ready for and the viewers

1203
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: were not ready for either. Okay, here, I think we're

1204
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 1: just gonna uh skip more lightly over some of the

1205
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: other things that happened in the film. One thing we

1206
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 1: got to discuss is a particular gory special effect. Because

1207
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:53,959
Speaker 1: while the effects and Jason X are not generally considered

1208
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 1: a highlight of the series, not generally considered all that great,

1209
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 1: there is one notable exception. The first space youth that

1210
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 1: Jason kills after waking up. Uh. This is a scene

1211
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 1: that even Roger Ebert seems impressed by. And this is

1212
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 1: the the frozen face scene. Yeah, this is a quality kill,

1213
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,599
Speaker 1: to be sure, and I think we we probably referenced

1214
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: this one in our stuff to boll your Mind episode

1215
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 1: on freezing and shattering organic materials. But basically what happens here,

1216
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 1: it's like when Jason first wakes up, he grabs a

1217
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 1: lady and he like shoves her face into liquid nitrogen

1218
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,679
Speaker 1: and then smashes her head like an ice cube. Yeah,

1219
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 1: it's gross and effective, but also not too bloody by

1220
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 1: virtue of all the blood being frozen. Right. Yes, it's

1221
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 1: it's it's cuboid instead of instead of liquidity. Yeah. Yeah,

1222
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 1: a new territory for Jason trying new things. Right after that,

1223
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 1: there is what I thought is actually a genuinely quite

1224
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 1: funny moment where Jason goes to the tray next to

1225
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 1: the operating table in this lab where he's throwing out

1226
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 1: and you see, I guess he's looking at you think

1227
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: he's looking at like scalpels or whatever, and then he

1228
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: picks up a surgical chetty. Okay, um. Next thing the

1229
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 1: level of self awareness of this movie, So Jason X

1230
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 1: is not a fully self aware of parody like you know,

1231
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 1: the Scream movies or Cabin in the Woods or something

1232
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 1: where the characters would openly talk about the tropes and

1233
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 1: acknowledge them and sort of critique them. But It is

1234
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: the first movie in the Friday Thirteenth series that has

1235
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: partial elements of this kind, and this did come out

1236
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 1: after Scream went mainstream. With these observations about horror movies,

1237
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 1: for example, the sort of implied punitive morality of many

1238
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 1: slasher movies, where characters seem to be punished for uh,

1239
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 1: for trivial sins like premarital sex or drug use. And

1240
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 1: this this is openly discussed by characters in Scream, But

1241
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:53,599
Speaker 1: then in Jason X we see this knowledge kind of

1242
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 1: incorporated as a knowing parody. Like you see Jason become

1243
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: their their cuts where he's like in Ray, aged and

1244
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 1: powered up for violence. When characters break one of these

1245
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 1: slasher rules of conduct, when they like drink or engage

1246
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: in brutally cringe e sex scenes awful. But here this

1247
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 1: reaction of Jason's has not done implicitly as it is

1248
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,719
Speaker 1: in earlier movies, but explicitly I think for intentional comedy.

1249
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 1: I think here they are poking fun at the previous

1250
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: movies in this series. Yeah, yeah, I think so. There's

1251
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 1: a certain amount of self awareness to the picture. And

1252
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 1: then then they also go for sort of broader comedy

1253
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 1: other places in the picture plenty of times with mixed results.

1254
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 1: Like there's a nice moment where Mins's characters, the sergeant

1255
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:44,839
Speaker 1: Um initially seems to be killed by Jason. Jason stabs

1256
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:46,759
Speaker 1: him through it like stabs him I think from behind,

1257
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 1: like drew a wall through his chest. And Sergeant Brodsky

1258
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: here says it's going to take more than a poke

1259
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 1: in the ribs to put down this old dog. And

1260
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 1: then Jason stabs him through the chest again and he goes, yeah,

1261
01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:00,080
Speaker 1: that ought to do it. That seemingly dies. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: was good though. Actually he comes back after that. But

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Speaker 1: but that line was good enough that I actually thought

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Speaker 1: that was probably a Peter Mensa improv. Yeah, it might

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Speaker 1: have been. There's also a scene on the other end

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Speaker 1: of the spectrum. There's this scene uh that we can

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Speaker 1: refer to tastefully as k M fourteen wants Nipples to Um,

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Speaker 1: where she's talking with her boyfriend the techy about how

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Speaker 1: she wishes to have nipples like other uh female members

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Speaker 1: of the crew. And it seems like it's it's not

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Speaker 1: an actually funny scene. The comedy falls flat, and it

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Speaker 1: seems at first like it's going to be super cringe

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Speaker 1: e In establishing the relationship between the Thimbott and the technician.

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Speaker 1: But then it actually lands in this sort of like

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Speaker 1: sweeter area where it's it's made clear that their relationship

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Speaker 1: is not exploitive. It's not like a purely physical relationship,

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01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 1: but it is um it's it's very consensual and very

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Speaker 1: genuine in these this robot and this nerd love each other.

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Speaker 1: It seems like true love. Yeah, Okay, one more thing

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Speaker 1: this movie does get into is virtual reality. I think

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01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 1: this is one area where the movie actually stumbled across

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01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 1: a really good idea, one that had the potential to

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01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 1: be much more interesting and funny than it was, though

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Speaker 1: it's used for some good moments Jason interacting with essentially

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Speaker 1: the hollow Deck from Star Trek. What happens when you

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Speaker 1: put an unstoppable undead monster into a virtual environment. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they they bust this out, and it's kind of thought provoking,

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Speaker 1: like how long could they have contained Jason Vordhees with

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Speaker 1: more preparation. They end up throwing it together as a

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01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 1: as as like a stalling tactic. Uh so they can

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Speaker 1: try and escape. But but what if they had actually

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Speaker 1: prepared for Like what if this had been the plan

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Speaker 1: upon thawing and out. And then also, what are the

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Speaker 1: ethics of creating a never ending kill sim to contain

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Speaker 1: an undying killer? Well, I mean, if he actually doesn't

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Speaker 1: hurt anybody, I would say the ethics are good compared

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Speaker 1: to him getting loose and hurting people. Right, So, well,

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Speaker 1: it depends, I guess, on the NPCs. And that's sim right,

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Speaker 1: getting into territory of disgust on stuff to blow your

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01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 1: mind before, are like, oh, we like or the holograms conscious? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Or they on what level? Are they feeling pain? I

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01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 1: don't know. But then again, if it's preventing Jason from

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01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 1: killing hundreds of people in the real world, then I

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01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess I didn't take it as implying

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Speaker 1: that the holograms were conscious, but that would be its

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01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 1: own kind of horror movie. I guess. Oh, we have

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01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 1: created a like a literal digitally created hell. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: a This is often called the Jason X problem in philosophy.

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Speaker 1: I imagine some of you out there have studied it,

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Speaker 1: But I do think, I mean like that you could

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Speaker 1: have made a whole like interesting horror movie out of

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01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 1: an idea like this, like monster versus illusion. Yeah, I mean,

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01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 1: it really almost kind of creates a you could have.

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01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a Jurassic Park scenario because obviously

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01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 1: that's where you'd have to go in such a film,

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01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,719
Speaker 1: is that something would break the illusion. The illusion would

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01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 1: break down in the monster, would the Jason or whatever

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01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 1: you have in there would bust loose and you'd have

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01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 1: to somehow subdue them again. I mean, it does kind

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01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: of deal with the nature of Jason that gets discussed,

1321
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:04,679
Speaker 1: which is that like, you can't destroy Jason. He always

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01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 1: comes back, but you can like freeze him for a

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01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 1: period of time, like you can do things to sort

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01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 1: of prevent him from acting, but you can never destroy him. Yeah,

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01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:18,719
Speaker 1: you can. You can move him closer to a massive

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01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 1: black hole. That that would be I guess the thing

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Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, one last thing before we finish up

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Speaker 1: Uber Jason. I mean they're in the trailer. It's the

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Speaker 1: advertised Jason is of course going to get swarmed by

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01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 1: nanobots after he's been uh taken out a commission by

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01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 1: k M. The robots. She does some like gunfo on

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01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 1: him and then blows him up sort of, and then

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01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 1: the nano bots in the medical bay, aren't they sweet?

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01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 1: Aren't they helpful? They just restore him and make him

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01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 1: better than ever, and even I guess like doubly invulnerable.

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01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 1: He's more invulnerable than he's ever been before. Yeah, they

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01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:55,639
Speaker 1: I guess the way to read this is the nano

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01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:59,480
Speaker 1: bots are trying to do what they normally do, repair damaged,

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01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 1: injured human being. But this is not a human being.

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01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 1: His physiology is weird, his flesh is weird. He's like

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01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 1: an undead thing, and they don't really seem to know

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01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 1: how to handle this, so they end up building Uber Jason.

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01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 1: Like even his hockey mask is like weirdly incorporated into

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01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 1: his his head in a way that that I think

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01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 1: really works. But it's like computer air here processing error. Uh,

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01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 1: we think we've healed him, and this is the results.

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01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 1: This is one of these like AI alignment problems. Yeah,

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01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 1: all you did was programmed me to help people, So

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01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 1: I helped Jason. So yeah, the basic structure of the film, yeah,

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01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 1: ends up being Jason thaws out, rampages, is killed, nanobots

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01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 1: restore him to Uber Jason form, and then battles everyone again.

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01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:51,679
Speaker 1: And finally we get down to the survivors, uh, making

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01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 1: a break for it, And we also get this great

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Speaker 1: scene where Jason is flying through space at the essentially

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01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 1: the escape hot but then here comes Mensa, here comes

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01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 1: Sergeant Brodsky, and essentially like supplexes Jason Vorhees through the

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Speaker 1: atmosphere of Earth two, and they seemingly burn up as

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01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 1: they fall through the atmosphere to this new world. And

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Speaker 1: then they appear as a shooting star going through the

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01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 1: night sky and we see like some camp counselors on

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01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 1: Earth to being like, oh wow, it's beautiful, let's go

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01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 1: over check it out. Yeah, so we're left with this

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Speaker 1: weird and I think it totally works. It's a nice

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01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 1: moment at the end where it's like Earth two was

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Speaker 1: a new start. It was we put behind all of

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Speaker 1: our our awfulness from Earth one. But what have we done.

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01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 1: We've gone out and we've brought Jason Vorhees to Earth,

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Speaker 1: to a planet that is clearly not ready for him,

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Speaker 1: and thus concludes the tale of Jason X. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we and and like you said, we this film was

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Speaker 1: not successful enough in in any way for there to

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Speaker 1: be a proper follow up to Jason X, not that

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01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:00,759
Speaker 1: we needed one. Jason X delivers on all its promise.

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Speaker 1: It does everything it's set out to do seemingly um

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01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 1: but Ebert even in his review, he's like, people are

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01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 1: probably gonna love it, and we're probably gonna get Jason

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Speaker 1: X two, but we didn't get that this is all

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01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 1: we have. Yeah, he was even lamenting while imagining that

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01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 1: audiences would eat this up that uh, it would not

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01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 1: be called Jason eleven, it would be called Jason X

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Speaker 1: two or Adjason X Part two. I think he said, Oh, man,

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01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 1: I signed me up. I would have seen it. I mean,

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01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 1: it's kind of like the counterintuitive ordering of like the

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Speaker 1: Rambo movies, doesn't it go like First Blood, first Blood

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01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 1: Part two, Rambo, then Rambo three, then Rambo. Yeah. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I feel like they could have done X part two

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01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 1: and it might have been good, But I don't know

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01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 1: if they could do it now. Like, like the alchemy

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01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 1: of something like this has to be just right. You

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01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 1: have to have just the right balance, and and they

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Speaker 1: managed to deliver on that for the most part with

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Speaker 1: Jason X. If you make Jason X Part two and

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01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 1: you go too serious or you go too silly with it,

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01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:07,560
Speaker 1: and it would just all fall apart. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is an artifact, much like a case of DVDs

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01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 1: discovered by by grave robbers from the year two thousand one.

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Speaker 1: It is an artifact of a previous time that we

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Speaker 1: should study and understand. All right, well, help us to

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Speaker 1: study and understand this artifact. If you out there have

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Speaker 1: thoughts on Jason X in its place in the Friday

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Speaker 1: the Thirteenth film franchise, if you have memories of seeing

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Speaker 1: in the theater itself. I always love a good uh

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