1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Very pleased to be joined on this episode of The 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Warning podcast by the host of The David Pacman Show, 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: David Pacman himself. 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 2: This is the Warning. 5 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: Today is the vice presidential debate. It is the last 6 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: major event contact, if you will, between the two sides 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: before the final month of the campaign. We wait for 8 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: the October surprise, whatever that may be. But until then, 9 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: there's a lot of campaigning to do. 10 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: David, welcome, Thank you. 11 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: What are you looking for tonight as we get ready 12 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: for this vice presidential debate? 13 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 3: A couple of things I'm interested in seeing tonight. Number one, 14 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 3: as far as Jade Vance goes, is he going to 15 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 3: show up and kind of be the alternative to Trump 16 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 3: in the sense of going towards policy, going away from 17 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 3: personal attacks, or is he going to join Trump in 18 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 3: the at kind of haphazard, a brazen style that includes 19 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 3: more recently saying Kamala Harris is mentally disabled, et cetera. Like. 20 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 4: In other words, does jd. 21 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 3: Vance want to show up and say I am Trump 22 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 3: plus one, or if you don't like Trump's politics, I'll 23 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 3: do the buttoned up policy discussion. That's one thing I'm 24 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 3: interested in seeing. Number Two, I expect that JD. Vance 25 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 3: will try to make his opposition to Harris Walls partially 26 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 3: along the lines of we're against the elites, We're against 27 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 3: these East Coast liberals, et cetera. And of course Tim 28 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 3: Walls is not that, and so I'm very curious whether 29 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 3: Tim Walls, as the Midwestern I know how to fix 30 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 3: a clutch guy, is going to be able to repel 31 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 3: that from JD. Vans and actually show listen Vance is 32 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 3: more of that than I am, for sure, and so 33 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 3: I'm interested in seeing that dynamic because they they have 34 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 3: a hammer. Vance has a hammer, which is we are 35 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 3: not like these coastal elites. Tim Walls is not one 36 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 3: of those coastal elites. So I'm interested to see kind 37 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 3: of how that dynamic plays out. 38 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: When you think about this debate, do you think that JD. 39 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 1: Vance is going to come out hard on Waltz's military record. 40 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 3: I think that that's very risky and that he almost 41 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 3: certainly will not, because you know, Rolling Stone has a 42 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 3: peace out. Now about turns out jd lied about the 43 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 3: poor upbringing. It was pretty middle class. There was substance abuse, 44 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 3: but it was pretty middle class. JD. Vance in his 45 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 3: book describes his time in the military doesn't lie about 46 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 3: having seen combat, but he describes it in relatively more 47 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 3: dramatic terms than what he's more recently acknowledged. So I 48 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 3: think there's risk to JD that that gets turned around 49 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 3: on him as well. 50 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: When you think about his liabilities your governor Walls coming 51 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: into this debate, you are debating somebody who I think 52 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 1: made one of the most astonishing concessions of my thirty 53 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: years working in politics, which he says in an interview 54 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: with Dana Bash, Hey, it's okay if we make up 55 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: the story about the Haitians eating the cats eating the 56 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: dogs in this town because the town was ignored by 57 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: the national media. The town has a problem. Even though 58 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: the lie is a lie and it's sensational. Now the 59 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: national media is focused on the town. 60 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: How do you. 61 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: Engage somebody who said that, what's the right approach into that? 62 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: If you are advising Walls, or even from your perch 63 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: just analyzing this this tonight, what are you looking for there? 64 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: This is certainly going to be front and center in 65 00:03:59,040 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: the debate tonight. 66 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 4: The first thing is I would go in. 67 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 3: You know, I sometimes get calls from people in my 68 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 3: audience who say, you know, if if Kamala Harris just 69 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 3: said X, or if Tim Walls just said why, they'd 70 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 3: have no retort. 71 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 4: They'd be dead in the water. 72 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 3: We've got them, and I always explained, you might think that, 73 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 3: but they have a plan, they have the you know 74 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 3: you're not going to catch them off guard. So, first 75 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 3: of all, the approach from Vance is going to be 76 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 3: when I talked about creating stories, I didn't mean I 77 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 3: fabricate facts. What I mean is there's something happening that 78 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 3: the media is not covering, and therefore I'm going to 79 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 3: create more interesting language or insist on talking about it 80 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 3: so that media stories are created. It's splitting hairs. But 81 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 3: his argument is going to be I didn't make up 82 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: the facts. I am creating a media story around something 83 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 3: that's being ignored, now, don't I don't believe that that 84 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 3: comports with the facts, obviously, but he'll be prepared to 85 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 3: splice hairs. 86 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 4: I think for Walls, the. 87 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 3: Key is to know exactly how to bring it up 88 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,799 Speaker 3: in the way that in the debate against Trump, Kamala 89 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 3: Harris she had her prepared moment about bored people leaving 90 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 3: Trump's rallies. 91 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 4: It was rehearsed. She knew she was going to do it. 92 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 3: She had it in her pocket, and it was just 93 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 3: about finding the right moment to do it. And it 94 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 3: worked so well it sent Trump for a loop, wildly 95 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,679 Speaker 3: triggering him, and he never recovered in the debate for walls, 96 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 3: it's knowing that Vance is going to be ready to 97 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 3: split hairs in this way. About creating stories doesn't mean 98 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 3: you make up the facts. It means you force the 99 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 3: corporate media to be accountable or whatever. He needs to 100 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 3: know the exact right. I mean, I would be rehearsing 101 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 3: exactly how to bring it up and to make a 102 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 3: point of you can't believe anything this guy says. He 103 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 3: went on National TV and with a straight face, looked 104 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 3: at Dana Bash and said, I'm going to keep creating 105 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 3: these stories and just know when to deploy it. 106 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 4: That's the key. 107 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 2: You think Wallas is going to call him a weirdo 108 00:05:59,040 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 2: to his face. 109 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 3: I think he probably will at some point in the debate. Yeah, 110 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 3: and I and I to be honest, I hope he does, 111 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 3: because it doesn't really seem to have I'd be curious 112 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 3: what you think, but I don't think there's a downside 113 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 3: to him deploying that either, because it seems to be 114 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 3: working really well. 115 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, I think he is. I think it's 116 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: going to be a big moment, and if he does 117 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: it the right way, it's gonna be a it's gonna 118 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: be a tough punch. I'm close friends with Tim Ryan, 119 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: and Tim Ryan of course ran against Jadie Vance and 120 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: Vance wins that race by five points or so and 121 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: the top of the ticket loses by twenty six points, 122 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: which made it very very difficult for Tim Ryan. But 123 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: Tim mauled jd Vance in the debate. He was extremely aggressive, 124 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: held him to an account, and I imagine that's how 125 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: Walls is going to come out of the come out 126 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: of the gate today. He's gonna he's gonna come out 127 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: like a like a football team, very very aggressively in 128 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: the in the first minutes after him trying to rattle 129 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: Jade Vance, who doesn't seem to do very well uh 130 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: in these interviews when he's questioned, Uh, he gets rattled 131 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: pretty easy. He contradicts himself, uh pretty often. And so 132 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: it's going to be an interesting debate. I prepped was 133 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: one of the people who prepedic Cheney back in the 134 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: day against John Edwards, and that was a vice presidential 135 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: debate that was devastating in that when you walked out, 136 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: you were just say, wow, that's wow. Right, you know, 137 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: one person just clearly won the debate. And and that's 138 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: what I think Wallas is going to be going for 139 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: for here tonight. He's gonna you know, particularly, you don't 140 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: want to take it. You have you have competition right 141 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: between the principles. You know, she crushed Donald Trump in 142 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:08,119 Speaker 1: the in the debate. Now it's his turn. Really after 143 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: the convention, speed try. The vice presidential candidate has only 144 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: one more official thing to do, and this is it, 145 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: and so you want to do really well at it. 146 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: Dick Cheney prepared for this debate one night for over 147 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 1: a year, five to six hours every Sunday religiously of prep, rehearsal, practice, 148 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: getting ready for this, for this debate. So you know, 149 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: Wall certainly didn't have that amount of time and prep. 150 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: But since he's been selected, you know, if you're going 151 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: to be the VP nominee, you have this coming right. 152 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: This is you know, it's like a wedding, right, You're 153 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: gonna have the rehearsal dinner, You're going to have the 154 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: you're gonna have the ceremony, you're gonna have the reception 155 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: after and this is part of that. 156 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: This is part of that process for him. 157 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 3: So in your experience, is it considered that there's an 158 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 3: asymmetrical risk to the VP debate that if you do well, 159 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 3: the upside is smaller or is that It seems to 160 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 3: me that that would be the case, But I don't 161 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 3: know that. 162 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 2: Well. 163 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: The VP debate has served in some ways as a 164 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: circuit breaker, right. One of the things that's really unique 165 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: about this presidential cycle is the total disruption of the 166 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: fall campaign because of the absence of four debates, three 167 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: presidential and one vice presidential. So if you go back 168 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: in that Bush debate, Bush does terrible in the first debate. 169 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: The VP debate is the second debate. It's like a 170 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: circuit breaker, right, because Cheney wins that debate, it calms 171 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: the waters coming into the rematch, and it's like a 172 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: baseball game, right, it's the best of three. Even in 173 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: a presidential debate, if it's Romney against Obama and incumbon presidents, clearly, 174 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: UH have an issue when it comes to prepping for 175 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: the debate because they all do very, very poorly in 176 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: the in the first outing but but even in a 177 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: debate where the presidential candidate completely boots, it's just like 178 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 1: a sporting event where it's a it's a best of 179 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: three series, they're gonna get two more shots. So the 180 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: vice presidential debate, if it went completely off the rails 181 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: and it became a distraction for the presidential campaign, meaning 182 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: for the for the for the presidential nominee, I think 183 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: that's the most you can you can hope for, generally speaking, 184 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: even debates like the Dan Quaile debate, which was one 185 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: of the most devastating moments, if not the most in 186 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: a in a in a national debate, where Lloyd Benson 187 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: looks at him and says, you. 188 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 2: Know, I knew Jack Kennedy. You know Jack Kennedy, and. 189 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: He looks so warly wounded by it all. Even that, 190 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 1: in the end is not something that factors in very 191 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: much in the voting. Did decision as a singular aspect 192 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: in the choice. 193 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 3: That makes a lot of sense, And I think with 194 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 3: Trump there's another aspect to it, which is Trump doesn't 195 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 3: want to be embarrassed by Vance, but he also doesn't 196 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 3: want to be outdone or outshined by JD. 197 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 4: Vance, And so Vance. 198 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 3: Also needs to do well, as Trump would see it, 199 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 3: without doing well in a way that now Trump feels 200 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 3: like he's being upstaged because of his ego and the 201 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 3: personality driven aspects of how Trump functions. So needless to say, 202 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 3: I don't envy jd Vance's position, although I hope that 203 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 3: he does not do well. 204 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: You could see the look on Trump's face. I mean 205 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: Trump was out there during the convention evaluating everybody. 206 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 2: He was judging them. 207 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: I mean he was like he was like the guy 208 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: from the right up in the up in the stage 209 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: with his with his with his clipboard. Jd Vance did 210 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: not please Trump during his convention speech. If you have 211 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 1: any understanding of like basic human body language and any 212 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: any any registerable emotional intelligence, the weird clapping, you know, 213 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: the stepping back and the impromptus, so Trump will be 214 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: judging him. Uh, Trump wants to see proverbial blood on 215 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: the floor, and I think he's unlikely to get it. 216 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: There's no way Trump is happy with his performance. It's 217 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: inconceivable that he would. And so if after this debate, 218 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: even in the circumstance you're talking about, jd Vance quits 219 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 1: himself pretty well, all the opposition groups that go out. 220 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: There and say that JD. 221 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: Vance is better than Trump, is the better mag the 222 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: leader that has the ability to destabilize Trump as well. 223 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: In the final thirty days, you know when Trump is 224 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: coming into a moment where you know, if you look 225 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: at what he said it over the weekend, and I 226 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: want to talk to you about this, the rhetoric is 227 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: getting very very dark. 228 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe before we moved to that, though, one 229 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 3: other thing I wanted to mention was in the debate. Obviously, 230 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 3: the economy and inflation is going to come up, and JD. 231 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 3: Vans and Trump have been talking kind of in absolute terms. 232 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 3: Gas is expensive, eggs are expensive, groceries are expensive, et cetera. 233 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 3: I'm really curious how Tim Walls will prepare to hit 234 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 3: that head on in a way that will make sense 235 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 3: to a viewing public that may not follow economics closely, 236 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 3: because there's a belief among many that what we need 237 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 3: is prices to quote go down in absolute ters, and 238 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,239 Speaker 3: of course that's quite rare in most Western developed economies 239 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 3: and can set off a deflationary spiral. And while the 240 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 3: intuitive sense would be prices going down is good. It 241 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 3: means I can buy more stuff when you understand that 242 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 3: that means people wait to make purchases because they expect 243 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 3: prices to be lower, which slows down the economy, which 244 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 3: lead to layoffs. You have to have some way to 245 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 3: push back against JD Vance just coming in and talking 246 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 3: about inflation, inflation, inflation that actually will resonate with the 247 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 3: public and make sense. And I don't know what that 248 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 3: would be, but I assumed Tim Wallace's people around him 249 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 3: who will get him ready to deal with that issue 250 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 3: in a way that's clear. 251 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: There's no question that on the question of the economy 252 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: that Kim Wallash is the guy on the Democratic side 253 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: that everybody is hoping can talk to people in a 254 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: way that relates to them, that they're capable of understanding 255 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: that he's a very middle class guy and that he 256 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: has that connection. 257 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: No, without a douption, no question about that. 258 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: You know that that he's the he's probably you know 259 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: Tim Wallas is a teacher. Is he able to teach 260 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: basic economics? 261 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 2: Right? 262 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: And that's always part of a that's always part of 263 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: a campaign. 264 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 2: Who can teach economics the best. When we think. 265 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: About media and we think about old media new media, 266 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: we think about the success of your show. You look 267 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: at media's story in the news. Uh Jota leaving the 268 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: Today Show twenty million dollar contract. The show size has 269 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: been halved in recent years, choosing to retire, you know, 270 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: But all of this era of the twenty million dollars salaries, 271 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: it's all over in media. Word that really, you know, 272 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: was not ubiquitous even a couple of years ago, with 273 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: corporate media, and now everyone talks about corporate media, even 274 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: replacing the term legacy legacy media. But I want to 275 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: talk about an aesthetic of media and how you see 276 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: it that drives me crazy in how things are covered 277 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: and viewed, and get your thoughts on it. So I'm 278 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: watching I'm watching CNN and the Sunday shows, and I'm 279 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: watching Manu Raju ask Kevin McCarthy or Tom Emmer. I 280 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: forget which one, but it was Kevin McCarthy and Tom 281 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: Emmer were both being grilled and the question was very predictably, 282 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: what do you have to say about Trump calling the 283 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: vice president mentally disabled? Do you agree with that? And 284 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: when I step back from it, of course they agree 285 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: with it. They support him fully, They supported him through 286 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: an insurrection. They agree with everything he says and does. 287 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: And if they didn't, they wouldn't be sitting there on 288 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: Sunday morning as they have been, not just in twenty four, 289 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: but in twenty twenty three, twenty twenty two, twenty one, 290 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, eighteen, seventeen, and sixteen. And so my question is, 291 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 1: coming into this final month, we have a corporate media, 292 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: if you will, that Tree teach Day as an episodic 293 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: event in a television series, as if what happens today 294 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: is disconnected completely from what's going to happen tomorrow and 295 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: what happened yesterday and the day before, or and the 296 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: day and the day before. So when I watch Tom 297 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: Emmer or I watch Kevin McCarthy and they're asked a question, 298 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: and the question is are you are you going to 299 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: rebuke them for saying this? And the answer is always 300 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: going to be no, they won't, and they'll squirm, they'll 301 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: they'll do whatever. The coming question is who won the election? 302 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: And we're about thirty five days out. I hate making predictions, 303 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna make one. I think that the race 304 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: is going to break in Harris's direction right in the 305 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: next twenty days or so, and that on election night 306 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: we're gonna have a pretty clear picture of who's gonna 307 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: win the election by midnight. I don't think it will 308 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: be a be a late night. That's how it feels 309 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: to me. I could be wrong. Later in October than today, 310 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: I said that Hillary Clinton looked like she was trending 311 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: to four hundred electoral votes, and in that moment she was. 312 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 2: That being said. 313 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: Harris, except for one thing, and we'll talk about that 314 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: seems to me to be on a good trajectory. So 315 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: envisioning that which seems to me much more likely than 316 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: the moment that we remember from twenty sixteen, and I 317 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: was on set for it, I think that it's more 318 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: likely that she wins the race. And in that instant 319 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: you'll start with the conspiracy of lies, and in advance 320 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: you know all of the people who will be involved 321 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,719 Speaker 1: in it, because there are all the people on it, 322 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: all the people who have been involved in it, who 323 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: are yes every week whether they'll disavow this or that 324 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: that Trump did or said, up to and including the 325 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: overthrower of the government, and the answer never changes. Do 326 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: you get frustrated when you watch that, when you see that, 327 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: when you see the tediousness of the questioning in the 328 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: corporate media about evans that at this point have the 329 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: rhythmic quality of the rising of the sun in the 330 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: east every. 331 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 2: In the morning. I mean, how do you see in 332 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:35,239 Speaker 2: process all of that. 333 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 3: I do share the frustration. I just am less convinced. 334 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 3: You know. You started by saying, of course they don't 335 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 3: disavow it because of course they agree with it. I 336 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 3: actually think it's worse. I think it's of course they 337 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 3: don't disavow it because even though they obviously personally disagree 338 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 3: with it, in many cases, they've decided that in their 339 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 3: public facing characters, they will not wrong or across Donald Trump. 340 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 3: So I think it's worse. Like, on one hand, it's 341 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 3: people who have been convinced by Trump and love all 342 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 3: of it, including she's mentally disabled, so of course they 343 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,959 Speaker 3: don't disavow it. Concurrent with that, you have this guy's 344 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 3: despicable and terrible. He's lost everything or forced us to 345 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 3: underperform everywhere since twenty eighteen. But for as long as 346 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 3: he controls the Republican Party, even if I'm part of 347 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 3: why he controls it, I am not going to publicly 348 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 3: cross him. So I actually don't believe that. McCarthy and 349 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 3: Tom Emmer you mentioned also Lindsey Graham was interviewed about 350 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 3: the same thing, and he said, well, I prefer to 351 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 3: talk about issues. The weakest response you could have. I 352 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 3: actually think they don't agree with it, but they realize 353 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,719 Speaker 3: until he doesn't, he has control of the Republican Party, 354 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 3: and if they don't want to be on the outs 355 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 3: with Democrats and on the outs with Trump, they kind 356 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 3: of have to just go along with it. Now, I 357 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 3: want to say one other thing about the election night 358 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 3: scenario you mentioned. I do think the most likely scenario 359 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 3: is a modest win by Kamala Harris when it comes 360 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 3: to the electoral College, but one that will be pretty 361 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 3: clear by midnight Eastern or at the latest by that morning. 362 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 3: I do think that's the most likely scenario. I do 363 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 3: think that the people immediately around Trump will do exactly 364 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 3: what you said, which is they'll come to defend him 365 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 3: with their irregularities and all of the different stuff. But 366 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 3: I do think it's becoming increasingly clear to most Republicans 367 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 3: that if Trump doesn't win, it's over for him. I 368 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 3: know there's debate will he run again in twenty to 369 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 3: twenty eight? Will he not run again. 370 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 4: If you lose? I don't think he's running again, and 371 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 4: I think it'll be. 372 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 3: A self fulfilling prophecy where by the early morning of 373 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 3: November sixth, every sane Republican defines sane however you want. 374 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,479 Speaker 3: But even these guys who kind of recognize the damage 375 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 3: that Trump has done to the party, I think they'll 376 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 3: realize that Trump has lost the power and they will 377 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 3: start a banditing him. They won't denounce him, but I 378 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 3: think that by the end of November sixth, if Trump loses, 379 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 3: you are going to have a large cadre of Republicans. 380 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 3: They won't be praising Kamala Harris, but they're going to 381 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 3: be ready for a completely non Trump midterm and certainly 382 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight, I think it's over for Trump. If 383 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 3: he loses, he'll say he won. Some people will try 384 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 3: to push some kind of scheme, but I think Republicans 385 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 3: will start dropping within twelve hours of the election results. 386 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: Okay, a lot to unpack there. I totally see how 387 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: that scenario plays out. That it's like pushing a car 388 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: uphill and all of a sudden. 389 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 2: The momentum is over. 390 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: Forward, progress is done, and it's just going to start 391 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 1: rolling back back down the hill. Right It's just you know, 392 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: it's not it's not going to not going to go 393 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: up one more inch, but I'm gonna come back to that. 394 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 2: So I was. 395 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: I was on Script's Morning Rush a month month or 396 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: so ago, and the subject came up about Trump in 397 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight, And so I'm with you because I 398 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: like to view myself as the sane person. Right, So, 399 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: of course, right, the idea that he would run again, 400 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: there's only been one person in all of American history 401 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 1: who's ever been a four time nominee. Fdr Trump is 402 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 1: one of three that's done it, including him, right, that's 403 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: done it three times. But when I was on television 404 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: and I and I answered the question, is everybody going 405 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: to go to more alago seeking his support? 406 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 2: And the answer is going to be, yet will he be. 407 00:24:55,600 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: Restrained enough to say, I don't know, well, to wait 408 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: and see, because he doesn't have to run for president, 409 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: He just has to freeze the race with a wait 410 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 1: and see. And my question about Trump twenty eight imagining 411 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: a laws and stipulating to how completely insane it sounds, 412 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: is if you could get to Trump twenty twenty four, right, 413 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: if by twenty twenty four this election we're in if 414 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: he didn't cross the line between twenty and twenty four 415 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: of no return, meaning that if he didn't do things 416 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: by the time we get to this year, that it 417 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: inhibit your ability to support him, or more precisely, to 418 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: say no to him, like. 419 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 2: No, you shouldn't run again. 420 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: Then what's going to happen that's different this time than 421 00:25:55,080 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: what happened last time. With regard to someone like Lindsey Graham, 422 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: you know who I spent a year in my life 423 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: with traveling around America on a presidential you know, campaign airplane. 424 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: I I just I think it's the great question, right, 425 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: how the fever breaks? Because and I write about this obviously, 426 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: and I talk about it all the time, but you 427 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: just said it perfectly on a couple of minutes ago. 428 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: None of these people believe right that Kamala Harris is 429 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: mentally disabled, but none of them will repudiate. 430 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 2: It because they're cynics. And so what you have with. 431 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: Trump in this coalition, a coalition of believers and cynics, 432 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: true believers, right, true MAGA fanatics and people that think 433 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: those people are crazy. But nevertheless, you know, we're all 434 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 1: sitting around the table with each other trying to get 435 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: political power in the country. So I think it's the 436 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 1: I think it's the great question at hand is where 437 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: what happens to Trump up right? Where where does he go? 438 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: What does he do? You know in the aftermath of this, 439 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: if you proved to be right, and I'm with you, 440 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: I think that that more likely than not that that's 441 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 1: what's going to happen. Right, There'll be an exhaustion that 442 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: sets in. But then again maybe not, because his hold 443 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: on them has been has been pretty pretty strong. And 444 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: you know, the reality is it's like an avalanche, right, 445 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: It's like, if enough momentum gets downhill, right, it's people 446 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: get on board with this craziness. You know, if it 447 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: stalls out at all early, right, you may have a 448 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: break in the avalanche. 449 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. 450 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 3: I think the question about the fever breaking is reasonable, 451 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 3: and if you kind of step back, it's not unreasonable 452 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 3: to say, well, hold on. He lost twenty twenty and 453 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 3: said we're going to take it back and held the 454 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 3: party in limbo and then said I am running and 455 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 3: he still had vast majority of the support and they're 456 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 3: not abandoning him. 457 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 4: Why wouldn't the. 458 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 3: Exact same scenario play out over the next four years 459 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 3: that did the last four years. But I think there 460 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 3: are differences. One is, in twenty twenty there were more 461 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 3: people than I expect there will be this time who 462 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 3: went with the it was stolen and we need lass 463 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 3: suits and we need this and that Trump will try it. 464 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 3: But with the experience that it failed in twenty twenty, 465 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 3: I think he's going to get less momentum with that. 466 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 3: That'll be one difference. Number Two, there's a difference between 467 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 3: a two time loser and a one time loser, which 468 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 3: maybe he didn't even really lose. It's going to start 469 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 3: feeling different. It's going to be an accumulation. And then 470 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 3: Trump will also you know, he'd be eighty two at 471 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 3: the time of the next one. And I think in 472 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 3: the same way that some people felt, many people felt 473 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 3: that Joe Biden is too old to do four or 474 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 3: more years, you'll have a slice that thinks the same 475 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 3: about Trump. So I just don't believe the momentum will 476 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 3: get going on November sixth the way it did in 477 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 3: twenty twenty, despite anything Trump can do or say, what do. 478 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: You think that Harris has to do to close this 479 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: out and put this away? 480 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 3: I mean, to a degree, it's like it seems if 481 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 3: she doesn't make mistakes, she'll have a narrow electoral victory. 482 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 4: I don't know if I look at it quantitatively. First, 483 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 4: it's like it's looking. 484 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 3: Like Trump might be able to flip Arizona and Georgia, 485 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 3: but also maybe not, and even if he does, he 486 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 3: still loses. So in a sense, it's almost like if 487 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 3: nothing changes and no major mistake takes place, she probably 488 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 3: wins with between two seventy eight and three oh six, 489 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 3: which I believe, I don't remember if it's three oh 490 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 3: three or three oh six, which is what it would 491 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 3: be this year if she had the same states. I 492 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 3: know there's been a slight realignment of the electoral votes, 493 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 3: but it seems the most likely outcome is a Harris 494 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 3: victory with between two seventy eight and the low threes, 495 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 3: with a couple states maybe flipping. So that's my instinct, 496 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 3: which is I don't think she really needs to do 497 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 3: anything other than keep doing rallies with the crowd sizes 498 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 3: that she's getting, don't make any major mistakes. But I 499 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 3: also am not so naive as to think that nothing 500 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 3: will happen over the next thirty days that will require 501 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 3: something of her. That will be a departure from what 502 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 3: she's been doing, and I just don't know what that 503 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 3: is yet. 504 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:31,719 Speaker 1: I think that the Haitians eating pat story is of 505 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: monumental importance because if I can convince anybody that that's true, 506 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: I can convince them of anything right. That's a lie 507 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: of authority. It's also while ludicrous, and I certainly laughed 508 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: out loud, and if someone was recording me, I don't 509 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: know what my facial reaction would have been. But you know, 510 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: Aamlaharis spoke for the world, right, for the country, you 511 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: know when she encountered it. That being said, it is 512 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: a malicious racist lie, as absolutely vicious as anything that 513 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: came out of the mouth of a striker or at gobels. 514 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: It is dehumanizing. He would not have been talking about 515 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: Scandinavians like this. 516 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 3: You know. 517 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: The picture is hordes of tribal blacks descending on this 518 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: white town of Springfield, Ohio and snatching the golden retrievers 519 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: out of the backyard for some. 520 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 2: Voodoo ceremony, eating them. 521 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: And he won't stop when he finds out the hospitals 522 00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 1: are locked down, that the schools are locked down, you 523 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: won't stop. 524 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 2: He's doubling down. 525 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: He is repeatedly talking about locking up political opponents, shutting 526 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: down media organizations, revenge violence, prepping the country for the 527 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: election is going to get stolen. And so I've analogized 528 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: many times the race to a river, and the current 529 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: only takes the water in one direction, so there's never 530 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: ever going back. And I started a couple of weeks 531 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: ago talking about how incendiary, how crazy, how the rhetoric 532 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: is go to increase, and it's increased in that direction 533 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: substantially in the last two weeks. October is here. What 534 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: do you see a head a lot of worry about 535 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: about this month? That is that is going to be 536 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: a chaotic month in in American life, in American and 537 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: American politics. 538 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 4: I think it almost certainly will be. 539 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 3: And there's this idea of going and I'm looking for 540 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 3: a different word than intimidating, but I think intimidating is 541 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 3: right on the basis of the way people look looking 542 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 3: to challenge or question people's legal voting status. This guy, 543 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 3: Brian Glenn, who used to be on right side broadcasting, 544 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 3: and he's moved on somewhere else. I think he's dating 545 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 3: Marjorie Taylor Green. He told his audience, go to the 546 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 3: polling places and if you see something that looks out 547 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 3: of place, if you see someone that you don't think 548 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 3: maybe is there legally, it's obvious what we're talking about, right. 549 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 3: It's it's not a white grandmother. That's not the image 550 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 3: of someone that looks like they're out of place that 551 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 3: Brian Glenn and his ilk. 552 00:33:58,520 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 4: Are pointing to. 553 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 3: He's saying, do what you can, get an observer involved, 554 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 3: or call the police, or whatever the case may be. 555 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 3: Trump has been talking about police at polling places in 556 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 3: order to monitor in all of this, I'm so concerned 557 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 3: about it that it's borderline where I'm wondering whether it 558 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 3: will affect turnout, although I'm not yet over the line 559 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 3: into thinking that it will, but it will certainly cause chaos. 560 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 1: There's Kamala Harrison to turn and face Trump and talk 561 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 1: to the contrary and talk about the fear directly and 562 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 1: the stakes in a way that's more vivid, and she's done. 563 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 2: It so far. 564 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 3: My biased view is that I would like to see 565 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 3: her do that, but I always try to consider someone 566 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 3: who doesn't work in this field, but is you know, 567 00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 3: working in Michigan and dealing with a student loan and 568 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 3: making sure they pick up their kids, but also being 569 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 3: on time to work. And is the economic message really 570 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 3: the single and soul message here that is going to 571 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 3: be the most motivating or will you know? Because where 572 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 3: I hesitate Steve is that if you watch your average 573 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 3: Harris rally right now and your average Trump rally, there 574 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 3: is a positive vision coming from Harris and a dark 575 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,919 Speaker 3: apocalyptic vision coming from Trump. Now, you can say it's 576 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 3: kind of standard. When Harris is, in a sense the incumbent, 577 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 3: she wants to argue things are good and will continue 578 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 3: being good. It's natural that she would have a positive vision, 579 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 3: whereas on the other hand, Trump is trying to argue 580 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 3: things are so bad you need to elect me. But 581 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 3: I think it goes beyond that. I think that there's 582 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:53,399 Speaker 3: actually more to it. And I've said when I watch 583 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 3: these competing rallies sometimes back to back, it doesn't seem 584 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 3: to me that the apocalyptic dark vision from Trump with 585 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 3: the lurid stories, and he had a thirty second rant 586 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 3: about Wisconsin over the weekend that sounds like he's describing 587 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 3: I don't know what he's describing. I don't want to 588 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 3: ascribe it to any particular country. But certainly not Milwaukee. 589 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:16,720 Speaker 3: Right when you listen to it, you go, that doesn't 590 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 3: sound like Milwaukee to me, because I question whether Trump 591 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 3: doing it helps him convert anybody. I just don't know 592 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 3: if Harris is better off sticking with the economic message 593 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 3: rather than the here's what you really should be afraid 594 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 3: of message, other than when it comes to women's bodily 595 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 3: autonomy and reproductive rights, which does seem to have been 596 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 3: really effective at telling people what the stakes are. 597 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: Do you have a sense with the women in your lives, 598 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: with the women in your life and the women around you, 599 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: about their motivation to go and vote and their reaction 600 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: to Trump saying, you know, the women are never going 601 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: to be happier. Hey, this is going to be beautiful, right, 602 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: the states. 603 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:08,839 Speaker 2: Have it, don't worry about it. 604 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: Right, there's going to be in all the all the 605 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: trumpe and bomb bast around this, around this issue, because 606 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: you know, people, I honestly don't know what to say. 607 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: I don't conceivably know what I could say to a 608 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: woman in America to urge him to, you know, participate 609 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: and vote and stand up. You know that that adds 610 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 1: any weight beyond the weight of the evidence around what's 611 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 1: happening in the in the country, which is which is 612 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: shocking to. 613 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:48,839 Speaker 2: Behold, you know, at at many levels. But fired up? 614 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,280 Speaker 2: Are they worried? 615 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: Are they scared? Or more women for Trump than you are? 616 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: You are prized about what's anecdotally. 617 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 4: You know, anecdotally. 618 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,359 Speaker 3: I am maybe the wrong guy to ask, because I 619 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 3: know mostly women in blue states who are on the left. 620 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 3: And so there's two elements to that that are important. 621 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 3: One is, they weren't voting for Trump anyway, even before 622 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 3: all of this craziness with IVF and he's very big 623 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 3: on fertilization and all of this stuff that you know 624 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 3: that makes no sense, So they weren't voting for him anyway. 625 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 4: But also, most. 626 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 3: Of the women I'm talking to have a confidence we 627 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 3: can discuss whether it's appropriate or not that because they 628 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 3: live in blue states. 629 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:43,319 Speaker 2: You know. 630 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 3: I talk to my friends in New York and Connecticut 631 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 3: and Massachusetts and they go, this stuff is nuts, but 632 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 3: I'm so confident that we're going to be fine in 633 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,479 Speaker 3: this state. I feel bad for the women in fill 634 00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 3: in the blanks, right, And so I think that the 635 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 3: people I'm speaking to directly are kind of in that camp, 636 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 3: which is privileged in the sense of the stakes feel 637 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 3: lower on a lot of these issues. In the states 638 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 3: that have an HDI equivalent to Norway right, like Connecticut 639 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 3: and Massachusetts, it's a different situation than it is in Mississippi, 640 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,399 Speaker 3: for example. Now, one other thing I saw the good 641 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 3: liars who do these interviews at Trump rallies. 642 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:23,920 Speaker 4: They're really good. 643 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 3: They interviewed a woman recently who said she it was 644 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,359 Speaker 3: you know what about such and such who said, they're 645 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 3: not even sure women should have the right to vote. 646 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,880 Speaker 3: At this point, I don't even remember who said it, 647 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 3: but recently somebody in Trump's orbit suggested, I don't even. 648 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 4: Know that it's that good that women vote. 649 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 3: The woman said, if the country's taken care of, I 650 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 3: don't care if. 651 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,320 Speaker 4: I have the right to vote. 652 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 3: And it was this incredible moment where it's that's hook 653 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 3: line and sinker. 654 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,800 Speaker 4: These are the saviors. 655 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,280 Speaker 3: And my role whether I vote or I don't vote, 656 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 3: They're going to tell me what my role is and 657 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 3: it's not for me to evaluate this is good or 658 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,879 Speaker 3: bad or scary, or whatever the case may be. And 659 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 3: that's so different from everybody I talk to personally. That 660 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 3: what influences the people I know personally, and what would 661 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 3: impact that woman who said. 662 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 4: Take away my right to vote. 663 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 3: As long as we've got Trump instead of Harris, we're 664 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 3: gonna be okay. It's hard to imagine the same campaign 665 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 3: motivating all of those voters because their priority seems so different. 666 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 1: Perfectly said, it is a wild time, and I think 667 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: it goes without saying that. Ten years into this and 668 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 1: it's ten years, three election cycles, it feels like it's 669 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 1: coming to its end to me, And it feels like 670 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 1: that we're going to be closing the door on a 671 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 1: generation of political leaders, many of whom are still around 672 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: in their eighties. But we're going to see a lot 673 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: of change in the in the immediate in the immediate future. 674 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 1: And we're at a moment where I think that the 675 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 1: country is either going to pick more of craziness at 676 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: an epic level or or make ready for generational change. 677 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,240 Speaker 1: And if passed his prologue, we're gonna have generational change. 678 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna take the exit off of this. 679 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, and there seems to be an accelerationism that you know, 680 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 3: I've spoken over the last however many years on my 681 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 3: show how I'm not an accelerationist leftist who believes that 682 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 3: we need to dismantle the system to rebuild it better 683 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 3: off as a social democrat, which is a form of 684 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 3: regulated capitalism. I don't want to dismantle because I know 685 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,840 Speaker 3: how many people get hurt in the dismantling. I just 686 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 3: want to keep making improvements in the way that sort 687 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 3: of Ted Kennedy said, let's keep making improvements in the. 688 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 4: Right direction rather than the wrong. 689 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 3: I think what a slice of those that are part 690 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 3: of MAGA right now are starting to lean towards is 691 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 3: the accelerationism. 692 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 4: It's if you know, they. 693 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 3: Stole it from us in twenty twenty, if they do 694 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 3: it again, the threshold of what I'm willing to personally 695 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 3: do changes. My hope is that the air will be 696 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 3: let out of it, especially if Republican officials in the 697 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 3: aftermath of a Trump loss say we're moving on. 698 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,319 Speaker 4: I'm not jumping on that. 699 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 3: It was stolen bandwagon this time, So I hope it 700 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,279 Speaker 3: will be tempered by that. But anecdotally, I do see, 701 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 3: including the people that my correspondence talk to, it rallies 702 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,160 Speaker 3: sort of a willinglessness to adopt some of that accelerationism 703 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 3: by the right about if they're going to steal it 704 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 3: from them twice, we're now willing to do a lot more. 705 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: It's also being said in the fervor of the rally 706 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 1: with Cajun of the crowd when everyone's home staring at 707 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 1: their phones, right and it's cold outside. We'll see, We'll 708 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,840 Speaker 1: see where the fervor goes if the if the fever breaks, 709 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:04,040 Speaker 1: And until then, I think we're gonna have a very 710 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 1: very dramatic month in American politics, which is gonna have 711 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 1: a lot of twists and turns and wild days ahead 712 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 1: in a race that, though she is winning, is not 713 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 1: yet over, it is not yet settled, and it is 714 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: not impossible for him to win. It's not even improbable 715 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 1: for him to be able to win the election. But again, 716 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 1: I think it will break in her direction in the 717 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 1: in the next couple of weeks as the American people 718 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 1: make their final decision, and I think, cancel a show 719 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 1: that has gotten pretty boring. 720 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 4: The show has jumped the shark, I think we can. 721 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,960 Speaker 1: Say, and that is a perfect place to end it. 722 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: With David Pacman of The David Pacman Show, I urge 723 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 1: you to subscribe to watch it. One of the great 724 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 1: things about this era of transformation in the media is 725 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:12,239 Speaker 1: the creation of great news stars, and great news shows 726 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,919 Speaker 1: and great new sources of information. David Pakmis are only 727 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 1: one of them. David really appreciate you taking the time 728 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 1: to spend some time with the Warning audience today. 729 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 4: Thank you really appreciate it. Thank you. 730 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,200 Speaker 1: I'm Steve Schmidt. This is the Warning and I invite 731 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,400 Speaker 1: you to join. Subscribe on our substack, on our YouTube channel, 732 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 1: follow us. Welcome to the community.