1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Abe was a champion of democracy and a 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: firm believer that no economy, society or country can achieve 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: its full potential if women are left behind. I am 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: shocked and devastated by his assassination, a loss for Japan 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: and our world. J K. This is assassination week. WHO's 6 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: assassinating my ex x former prime minister of Japan? It's 7 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: it's assassination week. It is, it is. I I would 8 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: kind of I would somewhat ving gloriously argue the capstone 9 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: of assassination week. It is the episode about the assassination 10 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: that started at all Um, and by by that I 11 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 1: mean we are, we are, we're here talking about the 12 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: assassination of Juan Shinzo Abe Um. This is this is 13 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: going to be a slightly different episode, both to the 14 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: rest of assassination week episodes and to the other episod 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: we did on the asassinationations in Abbe Um, partly because, 16 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: basically the day after, with within about two days of 17 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: the our episode, original episode about the Abbe assassination dropping Um, 18 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: there was confirmation that the reason abbe was killed was 19 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: because of his connection to an organization called the Unification Church, 20 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: which is I think better locially known as the Mooneyes Um. 21 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 1: People might have listened to the very, very long episode 22 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: I did about it, but yeah, there is. There is 23 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 1: an enormous amount going on there and this is something 24 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: that fortunately, we have experts for. And Yeah, so, so 25 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: joining us to talk about this assassination and the moonies 26 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: and sort of, I don't know, the sort of weirdness 27 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: and the horror around everything that's been happening around this 28 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: assassination is anti fascist researcher Elisa, as you yeah, Alisa's 29 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: a anti fascist researcher specializing in cults WHO's working with 30 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: deprogramming imperialism, which is a collective of x Moonies who've 31 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: been documenting just sort of all of the ship the 32 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: moonies have been getting up to and trying to get 33 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: more awareness of really just incredible array of awful stuff 34 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: that they've been doing. Yeah, so a Lisa, welcome to 35 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: the show. Hi, thanks for having me. I really appreciate it. Yeah, 36 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: and thank you. Thank you so much for joining us 37 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: for this. I don't know why I'm saying us, as 38 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: if if there's someone other than this episode and you, 39 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: but you know, old old habits die hard. I guess. 40 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: I guess I've inherited the royal we which is not great. 41 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 1: Oh well, so someone will have to assassinate me soon. 42 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: That's fine, sometimes it happens. I hope it doesn't happen 43 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: to you, though. Yeah, that would not be the best 44 00:02:51,600 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: assassination target, honestly. Yeah, so, okay, I guess the place 45 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: I think we should start is talking about what we've 46 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: found out about this assassin in the last sort of 47 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: a few months since this happened, which is that when 48 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: when the initial police reports came out, there was a 49 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: bunch of very, very murky stuff about basically the police 50 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: were like this wasn't a political killing, it was about 51 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: some organization, and I think me and you and every 52 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: single other person who was like even tangentially where of 53 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: Japanese politics saw them say like an organization and was like, 54 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: Oh no, there's like a one in three chances of 55 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: the booties. Yeah, that's yeah. I saw like when they 56 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: said something about like organization or religious organization, I was 57 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: like yeah, it was probably is. Yeah, yeah, and it 58 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: turns out that okay, so the assassin is a man 59 00:03:53,920 --> 00:04:00,839 Speaker 1: named Tsuya Yamagami, who was a navy veteran Um. Yeah, 60 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: made a a series of unbelievably based and incredibly wild 61 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: fire arms with which she assassinated the foreign per minister Japan. What, 62 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: what we've learned since then is that the reason he 63 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: did this was that his basically, like his family and 64 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: his life were completely destroyed by his mom falling into 65 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: the colts, and by her I mean she, she, she, 66 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: she gave this Colt set like something like seven hundred 67 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Yeah, like roughly seven U S dollars. Yeah, 68 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: like literal, like like multiple fortunes, like she, she, she 69 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: gave them all of her money and then she sold 70 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: the company that like she had been running to give 71 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: them more money. And, yeah, what what? What, basically, as 72 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: best we can tell, has happened was that he was 73 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: he was looking at a way to like get back 74 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: at the booty's Um. And basically the problem was he okay, so, 75 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: he didn't want to kill civilians, which I think is admirable, 76 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,679 Speaker 1: and he couldn't figure out a way to like get 77 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: at any of the like individual church leaders, and so 78 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: he's the thing he decided to do was go after 79 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: Shinzo Abe because, as we're gonna get to in a 80 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: in a bit Enzo Abbey lots of connections with the 81 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: Unification Church, a thing that all of the people like 82 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: writing glowing obituaries about him just like incredibly don't want 83 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: to mention. Yeah, it's been left out of a lot 84 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: of ship yeah, and okay, so I guess to back 85 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: up a little bit, Um, can for for for people 86 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: who sort of don't know what this is or for 87 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: people who like, may have heard of Abdy to refresher, 88 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: can you talk a bit about what? What? What? What 89 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: the Unification Church actually is? And Yeah, we can, we 90 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: can sort of go from there. Yeah, definitely. Okay. So 91 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: the Unification Church, or the Moonys, uh, they are a 92 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: quote unquote, new religious movement or pretty much a cult 93 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: you know, they're very culty and they're a cult Um, 94 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: and they were started by some young moon who was 95 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: originally from what is now North Korea. Uh. And so basically, 96 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: this guy, he claims he's the Messiah, has this originally 97 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 1: it started out as like a sex cult um under 98 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: a practice called, I think, Picarum, which is basically, uh, 99 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: he was supposed to quote unquote, clans a woman's like 100 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: relationship to God by having sex with her so he 101 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: assaulted a number of people doing this stuff. Um. And 102 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: the church over the years has sort of like developed 103 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: into more of a multinational corporation, uh, and political movement. Uh. 104 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: And it has a lot of tools, I mean a 105 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: lot of ties and connections to various governments around the world, 106 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: including Japan. Um. And it's basically, at the end of 107 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: the day, a tool of United States imperialism. Um, there's 108 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: some pretty pretty direct ties to like the Korean CIA. Yeah, yeah, 109 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: as well as the U S C I. A. Um. So, yeah, 110 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: it's like this big umbrella of like groups, different NGOs, 111 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:31,239 Speaker 1: different like businesses, a bunch. It's just a whole conglomeration 112 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: of things, right. Um, but very extremely virulently anti Communist. Uh. And, 113 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: you know, involved in some of some of the greatest 114 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: hits of the last century, like Iran Contra. Uh. Yeah, 115 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: for us. And when? When? When? When we say involved 116 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: in a rand contract? Like, okay, there's lots of people 117 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: who are like sort of involved in the ran contract. 118 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: The movies like there. There is a dec there you 119 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: can do. You can make the arguments that if the 120 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: Mooney's had not been doing what they were doing in 121 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: Nicaragua around contras wouldn't have been able to happen because 122 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: the civil war would have ended like they like when, when, 123 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: when I say like, when we say like, like they 124 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: were involved in the around contract, like they are like 125 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: on the ground giving people guns and money and keeping 126 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: like literally literally keeping guerrilla organizations and like terrorist groups 127 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: like in the war who wouldn't have been able to otherwise. Yeah, 128 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: and then, and then also, and that's that's the thing, 129 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: like they did to around contrast, right, because they did. 130 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: They did the second around contract with like with, you know, 131 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: when the CIA actually got money, but they were also 132 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: doing the same thing like before that, when they in 133 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: the sort of stop gap period with the CIA wasn't 134 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: able to fund the contrast. So, yeah, these guys are 135 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: route for that money. And Yeah, so it's yeah, they're very, 136 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: very heavily involved. Like basically anywhere there is an anti 137 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: communists squad, like in the world, you can find the 138 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: moonies funding in though. Okay, I wasn't. Weirdly, the only 139 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: one I the only one I haven't directly been able 140 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: to find is I haven't been able to directly find 141 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: any evidence that they were like that. Like specifically, they 142 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: were helping Pinot like helping pl okay, they were involved 143 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: in Operation Condor and they were like doing ship with that. 144 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: I haven't found evidence they like directly had any conversations 145 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: with Pinochet, but that's he's like the the only person 146 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: you can say that about. And they probably did at 147 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: some point, like but, you know, like a frail straws yeah, 148 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: like they probably did. Like, I mean again, like they 149 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: were they were there with a frail strawsner. They were 150 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: there with, Um, what, what's that guy's name? UH, Claus Barbie, 151 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 1: the cocaine. Yeah, yeah, I can't, I can't. I can't 152 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: remember that, the name of the guy. Yeah, there was. 153 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: There was a guy and believe you, who got installed 154 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: for like a year that he got could now. Um, yeah, no, 155 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: I I know who you're talking about, but I'm also 156 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: forgetting his name at the moment. Yeah, it's funny because 157 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: he's like he's one of these guys where it's like, 158 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: you know, I had a professor I took I took 159 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: a Syrian history class in college, right and Um, there, 160 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: I think it's I really should if I was saying 161 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: it's that really should know the year. But there, there, there, 162 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: there's a year in like the fifties in Syria, where 163 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: there's like four cups in one year and there were 164 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 1: like two guys who were, technically speaking, like had controller. serially, 165 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: he was like, I'm just not even telling you these 166 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: guys names because they get overthrown him like two months 167 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: and like that's that's, that's this guy. Yeah, but yeah, 168 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 1: this is a very sort of very serious and deeply 169 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: scary like death squad funding machine. Yeah, and that, you know, 170 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: has continued to today pretty much. So, yeah, and okay, 171 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: I think like yeah, so, yeah, there's sort of the 172 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: dust squad side of it. Um, the other thing I 173 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: wanted to ask you about is about like what it's 174 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: like being in the church and what it's like sort 175 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: of I don't know, because I think, I think a 176 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: big part of what's happening with this story is to 177 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: a Yamagami like basically watching his family get sucked in 178 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: and not being able to do anything about it, and 179 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: I was wondering if you could talk a bit about yeah, 180 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: I mean sort of like what, what? What? What? What 181 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: it's like being in the church and then what it's 182 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:26,719 Speaker 1: like just sort of watching it destroy people. Yeah, so, Um, 183 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 1: I was born and raised in the church. I left 184 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: when I was around seventeen. It was not it was 185 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: not nice. Um, pretty much everybody I talked to who 186 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: is also left feels the burden of this like perfect 187 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: abuse that we had to endure. Um, it was a 188 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: bleak time for me. Uh, you know, there's just so 189 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: much pressure put on members to follow leadership, to do 190 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: out outrageous amounts of fundraising. They have a bunch of 191 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: these fundraising teams, right, and they'll they'll go out and 192 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: they'll sell things and live in a van, occasionally stopping 193 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: at like different church centers. Um Too like, uh, you know, 194 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: sleep for the night or whatever. They don't eat well, UH, 195 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: they don't get enough sleep, you know, like you're constantly 196 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: around other people, basically like all all of the methods 197 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: of psychological torture you can do on a person, right, Um, 198 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: which was, you know, pretty standard throughout the whole movement. Um, 199 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: I was lucky enough not to go on any of 200 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: these fundraising teams because I left before Um, that could happen. 201 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: But Um, I still, you know, definitely feel like the psychological, 202 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 1: you know, fallout from that and it's something I'll be 203 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: healing with, healing from for the rest of my life. Um. Yeah. So, 204 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: like there's there's like no accountability for leadership. They can 205 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: do whatever they want, but everybody else in the church, 206 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 1: you know, Uh has to follow what moon and the 207 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: regional or national leadership says, or the the thirty six 208 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: blessed couples who are like some of the Moon's original followers. UH, 209 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: there's it's like extremely hierarchical. UH, there's a lot of 210 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: racism within the group, a huge amount of sexism that 211 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: is like, you know, directly tied into their Um, their 212 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: belief system, because the fall of man, according to the Moonies, 213 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: was eve having sex with Saton and then having sex 214 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 1: with Um Adam and spreading that thin Um. So just 215 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: like very inherently misogynistic, extremely homophobic and transphobic movement. Just 216 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: all around like so much sexual repression, like you're not 217 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: supposed to hold hands, kiss, do anything before marriage, right, 218 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: and then it's only that person. Well, of course moon, 219 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: you know, didn't didn't like this. Didn't apply to him 220 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: at all. He could sleep with anybody's wife pretty much. Um. 221 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, it was just altogether a very intense environment, 222 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: just so much indoctrination going into the heads of the 223 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: people who are part of it. Um. Yeah, just altogether 224 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: shitty group. Um. Yeah. So for me, I I went 225 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: away to school in another state when I was fourteen. Um, 226 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: it got me like, you know, the physical distance as 227 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: well as like the space and time to actually think 228 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: and reflect on what was going on. And then I 229 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: started doing some research online because I was like, well, 230 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: maybe what people are saying about it is true, maybe 231 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: it is a cult Um. And I came across this 232 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: the tragedy of the six Mary's, which was, you know, 233 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: Moon assaulting a bunch of women, uh, and that sort 234 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: of like made me just, you know, it sort of 235 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: brought it to a head because I had like, you know, 236 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: seen for the longest time how leadership was treated versus 237 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: how regular members had to live in like poverty. Um, 238 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: but they got like big mansion ends and like Nice Things, 239 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: Nice cars, expensive watches, but everybody else had to like 240 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: give all their money to the church and you know, 241 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: was were like terrorized, Um. And Uh, then eventually I 242 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: was like, I think I have to go. I like 243 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: I had been through the process of like meeting the 244 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: mystical or the the evil other which, you know, like 245 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: people outside of the church or you know, they're fallen. 246 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: They're like, you know, basically they have original sins, so 247 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: they're kind of evil, right. Um. And Gotten to know 248 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: more people, UM, queer people, who were just like a 249 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: hugely demonized group of people within the UC. Um, and 250 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: here I am today. I'm Super Queer, Um, but like that, 251 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: like hell, yeah, but like getting to know people and 252 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: actually seeing, you know, like, Oh my God, what they're saying. 253 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: These people are not evil, they're normal, they're human, they 254 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: are just different from straight people. I don't know. That 255 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: to me also made like a huge difference. Um. And 256 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: then when I was seventeen, I went to another school 257 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: and I was like, I want to get laid. I've 258 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: had a lot, so I went out and did that 259 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: and that felt like, you know, once I finally lost 260 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: my virginity, it felt like sealing the deal. I'm like, 261 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: if I have to go to hell now, okay, and 262 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: it was cool because God didn't like immediately smite me 263 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: where I where I was in bed at that point, 264 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: like I lived and I'm here to tell the tale. 265 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: So so, yeah, that's how I left. That rules. This 266 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: is much more gay of the story. When I was expecting, 267 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: which is all, which is a good thing. Yeah, a 268 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: lot of like the stories of sort of like people 269 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: leaving like the really right wing like evangelical was grade, 270 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: like a lot of reminds me a quiverful but like, yeah, 271 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: more intense, I think. Well, it's like I think like 272 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: like the level of I don't know, I guess the 273 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: level of separation. Yeah, they seem to be at least 274 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: sort of like integrated into like other communities and stuff, 275 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: whereas the Moonies, I don't know, like there's definitely like 276 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: people have friends outside of it, but like generally, like 277 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: people kind of keep to the moonies because, you know, 278 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: they're supposed to be like God's chosen people or whatever. 279 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: So they and they like look down on everyone else 280 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: because they're not moonies. So yeah, it is. It's it's 281 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: also interesting to me that like literally, like literally the 282 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: term is just the evil other, which is so I 283 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: don't think that's a literal term, but like that's how 284 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: I sort of phrase it or whatever. But yeah, or 285 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: just like fallen people would be or the fallen world, 286 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: the outsiders, is what they would say. So just this 287 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: very you know, like very like stigmatizing language that they 288 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: use for people. Lots of people are just called evil 289 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: in the church to they just call people evil like 290 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: Willy Nilly. It's like, Oh, you're satanic, like no, that's 291 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: not it's not that I don't know how to go 292 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: to a good tradition into this. Yeah, we're going to adds. Yeah, 293 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: so I wanted to just also talk about specifically one 294 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 1: of one of the things that the church does and 295 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 1: one of the things like the sort of one of 296 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:47,479 Speaker 1: the specific things that to Yamagami, Yamagami seems to have 297 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: been suffering from, and particularly it is mom but his 298 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: sort of full family, is the financial abuse. And Yeah, 299 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you a bit about what that 300 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: looks like. And also there's some several of the Japanese 301 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: context that I think is slightly different thin so the 302 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: American of the Korean context. I want to ask you 303 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:15,479 Speaker 1: a bit about that. Yeah, definitely. So, across the board, uh, 304 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: Unification Church members are expected to bring in a lot 305 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 1: of money through fundraising, through tithing, uh providing free labor or, 306 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: you know, low paid labor through church businesses and stuff. Um. 307 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: So the cases, though, that in Japan, because of the 308 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: rhetoric of the church, which is, you know, basically born 309 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: out of, you know, the environment, um in Korea. So 310 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: there's basically this thought in the church that they say, Um, 311 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: that Korea is the atom nation, uh because that's where, uh, 312 00:19:56,040 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: you know, the Messiah came back, uh, South Korea, and Um, 313 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: and that Japan is the eve nations supposed to submit 314 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,959 Speaker 1: to the Adam Nation Um and also sort of pay indemnity, 315 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: which is a big word in the church, and uh 316 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: for the atrocities committed during the Japanese occupation of Korea. Um. 317 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: And so this means that Japanese members have to pay 318 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: significantly more for pretty much everything. Um. So there's it's 319 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 1: like just uh you know, like instead of like a 320 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 1: type of reparations where it's like, you know, we'll give 321 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: you money, it's like they make them suffer for uh 322 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: that fact. and Uh so, like, you know, fundraising goals 323 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 1: are very high. Um, let me see, I think I 324 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: had a figure here somewhere. Um. Uh. Yeah, so Japanese 325 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: membership they bring in roughly like the church's income. Uh 326 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: so a large out for you know, like proportionally. Not 327 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: You know, there are a lot of members in Japan. However, 328 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: throughout the world, that is like proportionately. You know, where 329 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: most of it comes from Um. And then as of 330 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: several years ago, uh, the Japanese church fundraising goal was 331 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: thirty billion yen, or around two million for that year, 332 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: I believe. So just, you know, and so they go 333 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: out selling uh. Ancestor Liberation is one thing. Uh. You're 334 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 1: supposed to pay exorbitant fees for your ancestors to go 335 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: to heaven. Um. There was a book called the Chanson 336 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: young and that book was extremely expensive and, of course, 337 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: much more expensive for members in Japan. Um, I think 338 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: I read a figure where, I think I don't remember 339 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: what year it was and it was not very recent. 340 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: I think it might have been like or something, or 341 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: two thousand two or something. I'm not sure, but it 342 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:05,719 Speaker 1: costs like roughly like two thousand American dollars to go 343 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: to the marriage ceremony, the one of the mass weddings 344 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: that the moonies do, where that everybody has arranged marriage, 345 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 1: arranged married, Um. And so yeah, just like these huge 346 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: amounts of money, uh, directly flowing from the pockets of 347 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: the membership uh and anyone they happen to you know, 348 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: have give them money uh into the coffers of the 349 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: Church and, you know, directly on up to like the 350 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: Moon family, who are billionaires. Um. Another thing I'd say 351 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: here is that they often, uh, so, for people who 352 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: that they're trying to fundraise from. UH, they often will 353 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: target like elderly widows and people who are, you know, 354 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: in sort of precarious places and come to them and say, 355 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: your family member who has passed away wants you to 356 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: give this donate into the church. Uh. They also like 357 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: at one point made up like a fake Buddhist sect 358 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: in order to like specifically target people. So it goes deep. 359 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: There's a there's a lot to that. Yeah, like one 360 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: of the things I remember reading those like that. Yeah, 361 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: they had like this whole network of like fake mediums 362 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: you would like like specifically to target people. Yeah, so 363 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: we target the widows, which is like I don't know. 364 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: So so much of the stuff that they do is 365 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: just so incredibly leak like, I think. Yeah, I mean 366 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: the thing that always that got me was the sort 367 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: of like like the way in which they're sort of 368 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: weaponizing like like Japan's sort of war crimes in in 369 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: South Korea and North Korea as well. And it's like 370 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: it's like a on the one hand, like yeah, like 371 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: a all this body is just going to like a 372 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: bunch of like too rich fascists and then be like, 373 00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: I think this is something else we can sort of 374 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: get into. Is like, okay, so the church's main political 375 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: allies in Japan are the people who did all that 376 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: ship Yep, no, it's just a constant deflection, pretty much. Yeah, 377 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: and I mean it's interesting too because, like you, you 378 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: get this, like some of the newspapers they fund will 379 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,239 Speaker 1: like openly say that, like, Japan should rearm again and 380 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: like Japan should like start retaking Korea and then, like 381 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: you have did, the other art with their business being 382 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: like hey, pay US money for all the people you 383 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: guys killed, and this less. I don't know, it's yeah, 384 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: it's pretty fuck. It's the worst. It's honestly. Yeah, yeah, 385 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: and I guess, I guess. Yeah, I think I think 386 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: this is as good a place as I need to 387 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 1: go into. Like okay, so the moodies like could not 388 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: do the things that they do in Japan without an 389 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,959 Speaker 1: incredibly large degree of institutional support. Um. Part of this 390 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: sort is what the yakkers because, like you can't run, 391 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 1: like you can't do organized crime stuff, like like running 392 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: an entire network of people to de Fraud Widows like 393 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 1: in Japan, without the acquisite like you having some kind 394 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 1: of deal with them. YEA, and, yeah, and and and that. 395 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: That also bizarrely ties in with sort of how how 396 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: the innification Church got integrated with the sort of mainstream. Wow, yeah, 397 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: you know, I'm just gonna call the mainstream like, fuck it. People, people, people, people, people. 398 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: Will Quibble about the different factions of the LDP. I 399 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: frankly don't care, for reasons that will get to but yeah, how. How? 400 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: How they got, like and, yeah, which I guess you're 401 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 1: talking about, like the origins of how they got ingrained 402 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: with Japan's like perpetual ruling party, live, with Democratic Party. Yeah, Um, sorry, 403 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: were you? Are you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, sorry, 404 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: I wasn't sure that was a question. No, it's okay. Um. So, yeah, 405 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: it goes all the way back to uh, like so 406 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: it goes. It goes back pretty far. So Novasuka Kishi 407 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: obvious maternal grandfather. So he initially became sort of embroiled 408 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: with the UC kind of stuff, unification church stuff, in 409 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 1: the early days of when the movement Um was in Japan. Uh, 410 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: he collaborated on stuff like the foundation for victory over communism. 411 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: Spoke at their the founding of the organization at a 412 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: UC church which was I think, next to Kishi's a 413 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: state or something like that. Yeah, and I think, I think, 414 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: I think he sold them their first building in Japan. 415 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: I think, if I remembering something that I read at 416 00:26:53,560 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: one point. Right, yeah, so, Um, so, yeah. And then, uh, 417 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 1: in sixty two, the UC was able to convert fifty 418 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 1: leaders of the alternationalist Nietzchechin Buddhist Uh sect, called sect called, 419 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: Oh Gosh, I don't know how to pronounce this, Rio 420 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: Show Cost Kai. Uh, and they had a lot of 421 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: strong use of Yakaza connections. Um. And then Sami Kabuki 422 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,959 Speaker 1: was the first U S president in Japan. Uh, he 423 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: was the Yakaza Lieutenant and second in command of that 424 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: group that I had just mentioned. And and the other 425 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 1: thing we should mention about this about the sort of 426 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: how the opposite ties. Yeah, is that so? Okay? So, 427 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: Nobska Kishi is the guy who founds liberal democratic the 428 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: Liberal Democratic Party, right like He. The Liberal Democratic Party 429 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: is his creation. It is like what that party is 430 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: is all of Japan's conservatives basically like, basically seating to 431 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: his authority and being like okay, fine, we're going to 432 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 1: follow your lead. Um, and his his party is like 433 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: his base and his fund is basically a combination of 434 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: what he like. Kishi himself is a like artual words 435 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: of war criminal. Um, his base is basically in the 436 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: old Japanese fascists. He is funded by, like, well, partially funded, 437 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: like funded directly by the CIA. Um, he's also funded 438 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 1: by but the the CIA in particular here is working 439 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: through the Yakuza, because one of that's that's one of 440 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: the sort of the will like, will it be in 441 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: this sort of like we will. Will it be sentip? 442 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: Not Cia, but yeah, that by basically American intelligence in 443 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: the American army starts working through the Yakas as like 444 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: an anti communist Uma Force, and he he gets bankrolled 445 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: by this, these two guys named Kodama and Um. Right, 446 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: you reached yeah, Sasakawa, who were like Kodamas is like 447 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: like the like milk, basically like the guy who was 448 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: in charge of the Yakaza. He's also a fascist. UMSAKAWA 449 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: is the self, like literally called himself the world's richest fascist, 450 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: and both of these guys are like huge bank rollers 451 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: of of Kishi. They are also and you know, and when, when, 452 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: when Kishi is like bringing in the church like this. 453 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: This is how this is. This is how all these 454 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: people have got have yakisa connections. Because, yeah, it's it's this. 455 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: The whole sort of Japanese right wing like political machine 456 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: is like one like happy family that is doing doing 457 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: the worst stuff altogether, at the same time funded by 458 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: the CIA. Yep, and like, and also, I need to 459 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: say this, I said this is my episode book, like 460 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: like the level of CIA involvement here. Like there there 461 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: are individual CIA agents assigned to individual Liberal Democratic Party 462 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: candidates in the fifties to make sure they won their elections. 463 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: I did not know that, but that is it's not wild. 464 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: So specific. Wow, yeah, yes, yeah, concerning things, concerning things, 465 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: Oh God, Um, but yeah, so, like, yeah, to this 466 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: day a lot of LDP candidates and politicians still have 467 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: ties to do, you see, get donations from it. UH, 468 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: used like membership as like free labor. uh, even like 469 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: having secretaries from who are members of the UC and uh, like, 470 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes they would you know see like some 471 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: sort of like classified or you know, information and stuff 472 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: like that. So there's, yeah, there's like apart from like 473 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: that like just so interconnected. Yeah, do you do you 474 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: remember the story about the L DPS, like number two 475 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: guy like getting getting mooned to be able to visit Japan? Ah, sorry, 476 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: I don't. Oh God, okay, so that my memory of 477 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: this story was okay. So, like Japan has a series 478 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: of really weird laws about like, okay, Japan is a 479 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: series of very weird laws about many, many things. One 480 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: of them has to do with it. It's something like 481 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: if you've been convicted of a felony in another country, 482 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: you can't enter Japan. And I don't know if it's 483 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a felony. I don't I 484 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: don't know what the I forget. I'm forgetting what the 485 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: legal bar is for what you have to be like 486 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: convicted of in or to not be able to enter 487 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: the country. But I like moon is a I like 488 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: he like he was like convicted by the US governments 489 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: of like perjury and a bunch of other ships because 490 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: of the crimes that he did, and so he like 491 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: technically legally could not enter Japan and then, like the 492 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: vice presidents of Um an office present, my God, came 493 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: for his title. But maybe basically, like what like basically, 494 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: like the like, the like, the second most powerful man 495 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: in Japanese politics and the nineties, like very specifically did 496 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of visa bullshit so that specifically could 497 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: go to Japan legally. Not Surprising, not surprising, but wow, yeah, 498 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: it's like, Um, the lengths people will go to to 499 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: collaborate with other fascists. Yeah, I think that's that's I 500 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: don't know, that's to me. What makes this assassination really 501 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: interesting is that, like, okay, so if you ask like 502 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: and even like in Japan, if you had asked the 503 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: average person what the connection between like Shinzo Abe and 504 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: Edification Church was, like most people have no idea. Like 505 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: before this assassination, those people have no idea what that was. Yeah, yeah, 506 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: after the assassination this, the whole landscape has changed. Um, yeah, 507 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,959 Speaker 1: it's it's been really interesting to watch like this. This 508 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: really seems like an incredibly sort of politically effective assassination because, yeah, okay, so, 509 00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: you know, you you you had, there was, there was, 510 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: you know, you had the very the initial right wing backlash, 511 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: but the righting backlash kind of it got kind of 512 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: muted when it when it became clear that it wasn't 513 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: a left wing radical, which I think would have actually 514 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: been an enormous disaster. Yeah, but the guy was Yamagami, 515 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: was pretty right wing himself. Yeah, it's like he's a 516 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: right wing guy and but also like his story is 517 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: really sympathetic. Yeah, I mean I feel for the guy. 518 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: Like he had so much trauba in his life, honestly, 519 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: and like it's obvious, like, and I think you know 520 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: a lot of uh former members, you know, sort of 521 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: understand how that feels. UH, most of us have been 522 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: assassinated a prime minister, but so far, so far. But yeah, like, 523 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: I mean we understand that pain of where he is 524 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: coming from and like, you know why, upon learning that 525 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: Abbe had these ties, he's of like felt like compelled 526 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: to do something. Yeah, and I think the I mean 527 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: there's also this element at work here that's kind of weird, 528 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: which is like it's very, very hard normally to get 529 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: like right wing Japanese people to turn on their own party. Uh, 530 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,879 Speaker 1: the one way that you can do it is by 531 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: going hey, look at these Koreans. So there's like weird 532 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 1: dynamics going on here. Like there were some there were 533 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: some like even further right parties who were like, you know, 534 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,879 Speaker 1: using this thing as a campaign thing of like Ah, 535 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: this party is like a fake right wing party, like 536 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: they're all being run by like Koreans, and it's like okay, 537 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: that's like not, like the thing that is bad about 538 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: the moonies is not that they're Korean, it's that it's 539 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: all of the other ship that they do. Yeah, and 540 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:52,720 Speaker 1: I think that's complicated. But also, yeah, like the political 541 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: impact this has had has been like enormous. Yeah, like, yeah, 542 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: do you want to talk about that a bit? Yeah, so, Um, so, okay. 543 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: Obviously it has shined a lot of light on sort 544 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 1: of the connections that a lot of members of the 545 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: government there have, from the L D P um, as 546 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: well as other parties, have with the you see, getting donations, etcetera. Um, 547 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: people are pissed about it, you know, as they should be. Um. 548 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: So I guess that, uh, Prime Minister Kashida has said 549 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: that they want to cut ties with the Unification Church 550 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 1: at this point. Uh, you know, it sort of remains 551 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,879 Speaker 1: to be seen whether that actually happens or not, because 552 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: it can usually just be like lip service kind of ship. Um, 553 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 1: but the politicians, UH, and I'm not sure if this 554 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: is specifically for the LDP or sort of across the board. Um, 555 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,800 Speaker 1: there's like a thing where they're supposed to self report 556 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: any ties or donations to the U S, which is just, 557 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: you know, like I don't know, like I don't think 558 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,879 Speaker 1: every buddy is gonna come forward with that sort of thing. 559 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 1: If you're supposed to do it yourself, that's like not 560 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: how that should work. But Um so, I mean like 561 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: it remains to be seen, you know, if those ties 562 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: are actually gonna be cut. Um. So also, like there 563 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: has been sort of like, uh a, a a lot 564 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: of support from uh, like lawyer groups, like the National 565 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: Network of lawyers against spiritual sales Um, who has, you know, 566 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: worked with, you know, cult members and like specifically a 567 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,800 Speaker 1: lot of Unification Church members or former members or whatever 568 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: who have uh, you know, lost money through spiritual sales Um. 569 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: And they've also just recently called for the dissolution of 570 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: the UC in Japan, which is pretty cool and I 571 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,879 Speaker 1: hope that happens. How realistic it is, given like all 572 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 1: of the strong ties to the government, but that would 573 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 1: be cool. Um. And then also I saw a thing 574 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: a couple of days ago that Japanese consulates and embassies 575 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: have a program that is offering advice or assistance, uh, 576 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: to UC members who are Japanese nationals and their children, Um, 577 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: and that ends on September thirty, I think. So if 578 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 1: anybody needs that, getting fast. Um. But I think that 579 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: also applies in America. So if, like, you're a Japanese 580 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: national and like a victim of the U S or 581 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: if your parents are uh a, those that open. And 582 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what the levels of support resources 583 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:34,439 Speaker 1: they're offering are, uh, but it's worth looking into for sure. Um. 584 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, like, so there's been like sort of this 585 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: outpouring of support from various groups and there's, you know, 586 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: like it's really shining a light on the issue of 587 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: like especially what it's like to be a second generation 588 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: member of occult and the trauma that people like us 589 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 1: have gone through. Um, you know, there are definitely a 590 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,800 Speaker 1: lot of calls for like support and a mental health 591 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: care as well as like, you know, ways to sort 592 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: of get people out of situations like that in the 593 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 1: first place. Um. Yeah, yeah, I don't know, I, I. I. 594 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: I hope this translates into actual resources. And Yeah, just 595 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: sort of like the LDPs through ratings tanking, which like 596 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,760 Speaker 1: is good and like it is very funny that Kishia 597 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: just had to act like half his cabinet. Yeah, I 598 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: don't know, I think it it remains, although he remains 599 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: in power and he do you see too interesting. So 600 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, clearly there's not a lot, like 601 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,359 Speaker 1: even if people are like having a little bit of 602 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 1: like the smallest level of transparency about this stuff, like, 603 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know how far it will actually go 604 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: into like, you know, making amends or like protecting people 605 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 1: from further ab you or, you know, getting people their 606 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: money back. I don't know, I think there's a there's 607 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 1: something I think that's that's really sort of, I don't know, 608 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: like really grim about the way that this worked out, 609 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 1: which the Japanese police knew what was going on and 610 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: why this sesssination had happened, like immediately, like they found 611 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,919 Speaker 1: his hard drive and he'd written out the whole thing 612 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 1: about why he did it. Yeah, and then they intentionally 613 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,359 Speaker 1: held the information and basically made were able to maintain 614 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 1: a press embargo until after the election happened. Yeah, you know, 615 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,439 Speaker 1: now everyone fucking hates the LDB, like the perminsionals approve 616 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: of ratings like thirties present. Like it's really bad. I 617 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: mean it went from like fifty, went from like fifty 618 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 1: two to like thirties six and like a couple of weeks. 619 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: But because the people who are people who are connected 620 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,839 Speaker 1: to the church are the people in charge, they were 621 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 1: able to like suppress this information long enough to like 622 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: shape how the election was going to go. Oh, make 623 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 1: sure that it was sort of like the right wing 624 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 1: shock from Oh my God, that's assassinated prime minister and 625 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: not the weight. The assassinated prime minister for a reason 626 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 1: that's like incredibly justified and relatable to like this is 627 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,279 Speaker 1: as relatable with a motive of assassination as like I've 628 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 1: ever seen. Yeah, I mean it's like, as far as 629 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: reasons for assassinating people go, this is a pretty like 630 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:28,359 Speaker 1: solid reason, like there's there's stuff there. Yeah, and like 631 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: and I think it's just like like it's it's interesting. 632 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: That's like it's it's rare assassination where the assassin is 633 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 1: a very empathetic figure too. Like I think a lot 634 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,839 Speaker 1: of the time when you get people doing stuff like this, 635 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 1: like it's there. There's a sort of like one to 636 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 1: one correlation with like, okay, like how how how how 637 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 1: do you feel about sort of like like how how 638 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,759 Speaker 1: do you feel about assassination in general? is going to 639 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,360 Speaker 1: like determine your dictaate like determined your sort of response 640 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,880 Speaker 1: to the act. Will Action? Yeah, whereas I think here 641 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,879 Speaker 1: it's different because you know like that, yeah, this, this, 642 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: this is someone who, yeah, I mean I keep saying 643 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,799 Speaker 1: that he's sort of like immedutely relatable, but it's like, yeah, 644 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: this is this is someone who, I don't know, has 645 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 1: been through just an incredible amount of trauma in a 646 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: way that's like very easily sort of digestible to like 647 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 1: regular people. Yeah, it's like, yeah, very obvious trauma and like, 648 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I don't know, it's and I really 649 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 1: hope that that that that really does actually translated to 650 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,880 Speaker 1: resources for mental health resources, because I do too. I 651 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 1: feel like as well as mental health resources, I help, 652 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 1: they're like, you know, financial resources and you know, like 653 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: all sorts of other resources as well, because like dealing 654 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,360 Speaker 1: with the fallout of, you know, having been in a 655 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 1: like ac cult is incredibly difficult and requires a lot 656 00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 1: of space and time and a lot of people are, 657 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,879 Speaker 1: you know, left with like PTSD after that and it'll 658 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: last for your whole life and that makes you, know, 659 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 1: for a lot of people, that makes you, know, having 660 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 1: getting money and doing job things extremely hard, especially, you know, 661 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 1: if you're like getting like emotionally like thrown back into 662 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:22,440 Speaker 1: that all of the time. Um. So I hope there 663 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 1: are like more, you know, like material resources that are 664 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,440 Speaker 1: also available in addition to uh, sort of like mental 665 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,799 Speaker 1: health care and therapy things. Is. That's something that I 666 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: feel like it's all too often just not there for 667 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 1: people who have been through abuse. Yeah, and I think 668 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 1: also there's there's this way in which like like a 669 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: lot of this, like insofar as there's any kind of 670 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 1: like support network like in the US, and this is 671 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,320 Speaker 1: also true of Japan. Two maybe, I don't know, the 672 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 1: Japanese offer stay is not great. But yeah, like there's 673 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 1: an extent which like the sort of like last safety 674 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,359 Speaker 1: net you have is your family, and you know, like 675 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 1: this is this is a kind of thing that can 676 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 1: very easily cut you off from your family and that 677 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,920 Speaker 1: that has, you know, I mean that has emotional consequences, 678 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,760 Speaker 1: but like, yeah, that has enormous financial consequences. That really 679 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:24,840 Speaker 1: don't like. I don't know when when, when I was 680 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 1: originally doing research on this. Like I I read a 681 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 1: lot of sort of like people arguing about like deprogramming stuff, 682 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 1: and it like they just didn't talk about like that 683 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,879 Speaker 1: kind of stuff and it was always just sort of like, 684 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, structors really weird and it's sort of 685 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,360 Speaker 1: like grotesque and detached way to think about it instead 686 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,200 Speaker 1: of like yeah, so, yeah, it depends on what type 687 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:54,160 Speaker 1: of careacters too, because, honestly, deprogramming is another cult. It 688 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 1: is another cult. It's like an anti cult cult and, Um, 689 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 1: it just, you know, it re traumatizes those who are 690 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:06,480 Speaker 1: already traumatized and honestly, like people who have been deprogrammed 691 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 1: sometimes leave, but a lot of the time it just 692 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 1: increases their fervor for being part of whatever movement they're 693 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,360 Speaker 1: part of already, UM, because they're like Oh, if this is, 694 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 1: you know, like what everybody is going to do to 695 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,080 Speaker 1: be if I leave, like of course I gotta stick 696 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:19,799 Speaker 1: with this because, you know, then like it's like every 697 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 1: what they've been saying the whole time about, you know, 698 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:26,799 Speaker 1: being persecuted and like hurt and stuff then becomes true. Right. Yeah, 699 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,440 Speaker 1: I guess that's the thing I would say about like 700 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 1: that's my disclaimer about de programming. Uh, and, though the 701 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,319 Speaker 1: collective we are a part of is called deprogramming imperialism, 702 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 1: that is because the only thing that needs to be 703 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 1: deprogrammed really is imperialism and not people, because that's not 704 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 1: how that works. The radicalization requires a lot of trust, 705 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,359 Speaker 1: a lot of time, a lot of space, a lot 706 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,319 Speaker 1: of reflection. It's not something that, you know, you can 707 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,880 Speaker 1: just like go and like lock somebody in a basement 708 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,600 Speaker 1: for two weeks and then like try to make them 709 00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,879 Speaker 1: leave whatever movement they're part, like that's that's just an abuse. Yeah, 710 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,399 Speaker 1: I think, like, I don't know, I think it's it's 711 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,440 Speaker 1: as an industry. It's not as sort of like powerful 712 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,759 Speaker 1: as it used to be, but I think, like, I 713 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,800 Speaker 1: don't know it there's there's there's there's a sense in 714 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,040 Speaker 1: which it's sort of like, you know, it almost it 715 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,200 Speaker 1: almost has like civil war logic, where it's like both 716 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,759 Speaker 1: both both sides need the other side as sort of 717 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 1: they're like reason to exist and, you know, so like 718 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,080 Speaker 1: and both, you know on both both, both sides are 719 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:36,839 Speaker 1: traumatizing people on both sides indeed, like like they're they're, 720 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,359 Speaker 1: they're they're they're syfically fighting over the same group of 721 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 1: people and each of them can sort of like offer 722 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 1: the other side as like, oh, Hey, this is why 723 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,719 Speaker 1: we need to exist thing. But then it's like, you know, 724 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,560 Speaker 1: and like like, as with like most civil wars, it's 725 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,799 Speaker 1: like the actual people caught in it don't it's like no, 726 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,239 Speaker 1: you don't actually need, you don't want either side of 727 00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 1: the civil war. You want out. Yeah, yeah, no, it's 728 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,759 Speaker 1: definitely it's definitely one of those like Oh, you're stuck 729 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,520 Speaker 1: between a rock and a hard place kind of things. 730 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:11,160 Speaker 1: It's like both options suck. Like yeah, like the two 731 00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:18,719 Speaker 1: party system. Yeah, God, Stalin, Stalin said two good things 732 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,719 Speaker 1: and his entire two things that were like funny in 733 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,880 Speaker 1: his entire life. One of them was the pope, how 734 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,799 Speaker 1: many division does he have? And the second one was 735 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,719 Speaker 1: they're both worse. And there I mean immediately he was 736 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:34,319 Speaker 1: wrong about they're both worse, but like, yeah, that's a 737 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,000 Speaker 1: that's a that's a real thing. That is the basis 738 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:43,240 Speaker 1: of all modern politics. Honestly. That is honestly, we hate 739 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:49,239 Speaker 1: to see. I hate to see it. Yeah, yeah, on 740 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,359 Speaker 1: the on the other hand, though, I don't know, like 741 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:58,319 Speaker 1: I I am kind of hopeful about this, like I 742 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,560 Speaker 1: am too. It Gen winely seems to have like changed, 743 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,120 Speaker 1: like at the very least it's changed the way that 744 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,719 Speaker 1: the Japanese public, like season understands this whole thing. And 745 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,719 Speaker 1: like this is the first time, I think, ever either. 746 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,960 Speaker 1: I mean like, you know, like the Communist Party and 747 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,759 Speaker 1: stuff have been trying for like years to get people 748 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,920 Speaker 1: to care about this. Just no one has really cared since, like, 749 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, like they basically since the Japanese left 750 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,200 Speaker 1: collapse in like the seventies, like nobody's really cared about 751 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:30,000 Speaker 1: this and I don't know, it really seems like something 752 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 1: like it really seems like this assassination has actually changed 753 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:38,719 Speaker 1: something about just sort of like the like just the 754 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,919 Speaker 1: way that the Japanese politics is being structured right now. 755 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:47,520 Speaker 1: And I don't know, I'm modern really hopeful. I would 756 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,719 Speaker 1: say I'm too. I mean, like the more light that 757 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,560 Speaker 1: is shed on this, I think, the better, and that 758 00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:58,640 Speaker 1: like unfortunately, weird things happened, but I feel like if 759 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:04,760 Speaker 1: there's any chance some sort of Um, some sort of 760 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:10,360 Speaker 1: you know across the board or even in certain areas 761 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:15,840 Speaker 1: just specifically, any sort of like justice, that the amount 762 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:21,719 Speaker 1: of public attention on this now is, you know, potentially 763 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:28,839 Speaker 1: something that could help bring something like that about. So 764 00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,640 Speaker 1: I don't it's been it's been like sort of a 765 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,520 Speaker 1: weird ride for for us x members Um, with all 766 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,640 Speaker 1: of that just sort of like re traumatizing to see 767 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:41,160 Speaker 1: everything happened. Um, but at the end of the day, 768 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:42,959 Speaker 1: I think a lot of us are hopeful that things 769 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,480 Speaker 1: can change now that people know about it, because you 770 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,319 Speaker 1: know before that it wasn't something that was ever really 771 00:48:48,360 --> 00:49:01,440 Speaker 1: talked about. Groups like the thrive on this sort of 772 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,200 Speaker 1: weird combination of like operating in the shadows and also 773 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,160 Speaker 1: when they show up, it's through their own pr stuff, 774 00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:13,640 Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes the best way to break that, apparently, 775 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:18,680 Speaker 1: is you shoot someone who was like you shoot a 776 00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,239 Speaker 1: guy who they who was working for them. And Yeah, 777 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, yeah, I feel like, Yeahmagami 778 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:31,560 Speaker 1: sort of managed to at least, you know, he he 779 00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,520 Speaker 1: did what he he did a thing and it has 780 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,719 Speaker 1: had sort of, I probably, some of the impacts that 781 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:42,560 Speaker 1: he imagined it would. So I don't know. Yeah, like honestly, 782 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,799 Speaker 1: like from from what I've read of his stuff, like 783 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,560 Speaker 1: I think this went better than he expected it, like 784 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,920 Speaker 1: it could have possibly have gone like he he seemed 785 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:58,000 Speaker 1: like really really sort of just like had abandoned all hope. Yeah, 786 00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:02,160 Speaker 1: and I don't know, I mean, like I guess the 787 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,719 Speaker 1: the other thing that I really hope out of this, 788 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,480 Speaker 1: comes out of this, is that like you don't have 789 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:11,480 Speaker 1: to have people like destroying their lives a second time 790 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,520 Speaker 1: in sort of like just out of the incredible desperation 791 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,279 Speaker 1: of what they've been through, right. Yeah, preventing any of 792 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:24,359 Speaker 1: that would be optimal. Yeah, yeah, because the you know, 793 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:29,600 Speaker 1: the more that, the longer the Unification Church operates, the 794 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,359 Speaker 1: more people will be abused and the more violence will 795 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:33,959 Speaker 1: come out of it. Like maybe this is the most 796 00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:38,120 Speaker 1: high profile like a recent bit of violence that's come 797 00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:44,160 Speaker 1: out of the movement, but it's not unprecedented in any way. So, 798 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:49,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's like that's what happens when people are abused. Yeah, 799 00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,160 Speaker 1: and I and it's I think it's also worth just 800 00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:56,680 Speaker 1: sort of like reminding people that one of the sort 801 00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:01,879 Speaker 1: of so the church has sort of splintered into various actions. Yeah, 802 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,760 Speaker 1: a lot of the people, well, okay, a trump trump 803 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,000 Speaker 1: gave a speech at like the at an event of 804 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,160 Speaker 1: the mainline church. A bunch of like so one of 805 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,720 Speaker 1: the other guys, like what one are the other splinter fractions. 806 00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,680 Speaker 1: Had A bunch of people at January six rot of 807 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:22,480 Speaker 1: iron ministries or sanctuary church, and those are those are 808 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:26,600 Speaker 1: the guys who had the the A R fifteen gun 809 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,959 Speaker 1: blessing ceremony a few years ago that made the rounds 810 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,120 Speaker 1: where they wore bullet crowns in their robes and they 811 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:35,759 Speaker 1: had the guns. And they've also got land in in 812 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:40,839 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and Tennessee and also in Waco, Texas, where they're 813 00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,600 Speaker 1: basically preparing people for war with what Sean Moon has 814 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,680 Speaker 1: described as something akin to the globalist deep state in Marxists. 815 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if those were his exact words, but 816 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,200 Speaker 1: it was something like that. UH, so they're, you know, 817 00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,320 Speaker 1: like they're they have an act of militia. They're preparing 818 00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,439 Speaker 1: for war. That is what the Rod of iron is 819 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,279 Speaker 1: for them. That is the gun. Um. Yeah, and and 820 00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,560 Speaker 1: these are these are the if remember my my stuff 821 00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,839 Speaker 1: on this, right, this is the fashion that owns car arms, right, yes, 822 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,680 Speaker 1: they do. Yeah, yeah, so they have a gun manufacturer. Now, okay, like, 823 00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,080 Speaker 1: if Robert We're here, Robert will probably start equipping with 824 00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,799 Speaker 1: me about how good like the equivalent with me about 825 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,720 Speaker 1: the actual quality the weapons they produced. But like, okay, 826 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,280 Speaker 1: they have, they have, they they they have a weapons 827 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:31,360 Speaker 1: manufacturing peace which is terrifying. Yeah, and they make the 828 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,440 Speaker 1: trump gun because of course they're all super pro trump, 829 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:39,200 Speaker 1: very like patriot. A lot of q and on overlap there. 830 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,840 Speaker 1: And Actually Rod of Iron Ministries UH in in Japan 831 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:49,000 Speaker 1: has been helping organize q and on events. Um. And Yeah, 832 00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,360 Speaker 1: so like there was also a so basically the relationship 833 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:57,120 Speaker 1: between Rod of iron and the mainline, you see, is supertense. 834 00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,720 Speaker 1: Sean Moon and a couple of his other there's basically 835 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,400 Speaker 1: want their mother dead. And who is? She's the you know, 836 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,759 Speaker 1: the head of the mainline church right now. Um, and 837 00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,680 Speaker 1: not just dead but like specifically beheaded. Um. So there 838 00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,480 Speaker 1: was an event recently over the summer, I think it 839 00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,680 Speaker 1: was like the end of June, where Uh Sean was, Gosh, 840 00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,440 Speaker 1: I forget. I forget where he was in Japan. Um, 841 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:26,040 Speaker 1: but basically he was sort of like railing at the 842 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:30,279 Speaker 1: audience for supporting his mother, Hawk Jo Han uh, and 843 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,520 Speaker 1: then when people spoke up in defense of her, they 844 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,680 Speaker 1: were literally like physically thrown out of the room. Um, 845 00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:43,360 Speaker 1: it was super intense. Yeah, there's yeah, it's it's a 846 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,280 Speaker 1: really fucking intense moment um and he's like they're saying 847 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,839 Speaker 1: she had like sex with a demon or something like 848 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,440 Speaker 1: that and has fallen and all of this, you know, 849 00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,560 Speaker 1: got like, I don't know, sometimes I watch a bit 850 00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,680 Speaker 1: of the guy's speeches just because I'm like, I want 851 00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,800 Speaker 1: to know what the funk they're up to Um. And 852 00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,400 Speaker 1: first of all it seems like he might do a 853 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,040 Speaker 1: lot of cocaine, which would not be on precedent had 854 00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:11,319 Speaker 1: given the moonies and all of their drugs smuggling and ship. Well, 855 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,399 Speaker 1: I mean we we have like, what was his name? 856 00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,520 Speaker 1: Oh God, I'm blaking on the name of what? What? What? 857 00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,319 Speaker 1: What of his other sons was like it was like 858 00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:26,720 Speaker 1: literally spending like a shell corporations, like net income amount 859 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,120 Speaker 1: like per month on cocaine at one point. Like was 860 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,799 Speaker 1: that h o Jen possibly? I think I think it was. Yeah, yeah, 861 00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:40,319 Speaker 1: I think. Yeah. And he's also enormous abusive piece of ship. Yeah, yeah, 862 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:46,440 Speaker 1: it sucks. Yeah, people are all well, okay, that's not true. 863 00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,839 Speaker 1: The people who were still actively involved in the church 864 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,160 Speaker 1: and who didn't break themselves out in flee like the 865 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:56,200 Speaker 1: first opportunity they got are like enormous pieces of ship. Yeah, 866 00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:57,640 Speaker 1: I mean because, like, even at the end of the day, 867 00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:02,520 Speaker 1: if they're not specifically doing anything that directly harm somebody, 868 00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,080 Speaker 1: they're giving money to these institutions that do into people 869 00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:11,480 Speaker 1: who do and giving them support and, you know, reinforcing 870 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,080 Speaker 1: all of that ship. And then, you know, I mean 871 00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,799 Speaker 1: most of them are just shitty in general too. Yeah, 872 00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:23,640 Speaker 1: I also like specifically awesome about like, yeah, there there 873 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,440 Speaker 1: were a couple of people who like got forciably married 874 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:31,120 Speaker 1: into the family. Yeah, like left and I don't I 875 00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,360 Speaker 1: do not want people to get to get the impression 876 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:37,959 Speaker 1: that I think they're bad, because they're not. Like they got, yeah, 877 00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,080 Speaker 1: really horrible stuff happened to them. They're able to escaine. ME. 878 00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:47,399 Speaker 1: That's good, but also, Jesus Christ, like yeah, and that's 879 00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:52,759 Speaker 1: the thing that it's like sometimes hard to talk to like, 880 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,400 Speaker 1: you know, childhood friends or my family who's still involved, Um, 881 00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,560 Speaker 1: because I feel like it's like, you know, if you're 882 00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,879 Speaker 1: supporting this group, you're implicit least supporting fascism and murder 883 00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:08,200 Speaker 1: and death squads and rape and all of these awful things. Um, 884 00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,799 Speaker 1: and you know, a lot of members don't know that 885 00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,839 Speaker 1: those bits of history about the church. Um, but if 886 00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,120 Speaker 1: anyone who is listening is in the U C. I 887 00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,839 Speaker 1: would definitely say to look those things up because they 888 00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:25,239 Speaker 1: are all over the place. Yeah, okay, so this was 889 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,360 Speaker 1: specifically yet I read inside the League by Scott and 890 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:37,640 Speaker 1: Lee Anderson. Okay, I I will say this. Yeah, there. 891 00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:45,120 Speaker 1: It is kind of hard to read because these people 892 00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:49,240 Speaker 1: are journalists. They're not normally book authors, and the idea 893 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,200 Speaker 1: of starting at the beginning of a story and then 894 00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:52,759 Speaker 1: moving through to the end of it is like an 895 00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:57,440 Speaker 1: entirely foreign concept to them. So it is constantly jumping 896 00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:01,440 Speaker 1: around between sixteen million things. But yeah, there is a 897 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,080 Speaker 1: lot of there's a lot of very good stuff in there. Yeah, 898 00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:09,520 Speaker 1: it's an incredible resource. I would also suggest reading, uh, 899 00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:14,040 Speaker 1: the there's like a a bunch of articles that Robert 900 00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:18,520 Speaker 1: Parry did from his consortium news about Duc and like 901 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,479 Speaker 1: stuff back in the day on it. Um. I would 902 00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:25,120 Speaker 1: also say check out how well do you know your moon? Uh. 903 00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,440 Speaker 1: That's another great resource. Has a lot of you know, 904 00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:33,160 Speaker 1: like links and direct citations of a bunch of documents 905 00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:37,800 Speaker 1: and ship uh, all good stuff. Also, I would plug 906 00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:43,000 Speaker 1: John Gorenfeld's book. Um, oh, it's called it's bad, bad 907 00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:48,240 Speaker 1: moon rising. Bad Moon Rising yes, yeah, John is crazy. Yeah, 908 00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,640 Speaker 1: it's it's another really good book on that. Yeah, I 909 00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,880 Speaker 1: think there's a new edition came out like very recently. Yeah, 910 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,240 Speaker 1: so I think he has it actually a pdf of 911 00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,840 Speaker 1: it or something for free on his website. Um, yeah, uh. 912 00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:04,040 Speaker 1: And then another book I would suggest is gifts of deceit, 913 00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,400 Speaker 1: about the Thomson Park Scandal and care a gate, another 914 00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:13,400 Speaker 1: good one. God. Yeah, the thing about the mood is 915 00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:19,520 Speaker 1: like there's just like entire like there's entire genres of 916 00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,920 Speaker 1: like crime that they do that like doesn't even like 917 00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,200 Speaker 1: make most accounts of them because they're doing too much 918 00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,480 Speaker 1: other crime. Yeah, literally, there's just so much crime too 919 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,320 Speaker 1: for there's I've just done so much that it's hard 920 00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,560 Speaker 1: to keep track of everything. They literally have a million 921 00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:40,000 Speaker 1: shell corporations and they literally do things are different names 922 00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,840 Speaker 1: and in different places and then different types of atrocities 923 00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,480 Speaker 1: that it's like how are you supposed to keep up 924 00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,360 Speaker 1: with all this? That's why they do it that way, 925 00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,920 Speaker 1: because you're not supposed to. But yeah, I mean it 926 00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:57,160 Speaker 1: is I don't know, like I figuring out how intelligence 927 00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,600 Speaker 1: operations work is like easier than like trying to entangle 928 00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:04,320 Speaker 1: this ship. Yeah, honestly like that that that stuff was, 929 00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,280 Speaker 1: you know, a little more on the nose. It's like, 930 00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, clearly this is like a joint psychological operation 931 00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,880 Speaker 1: and other like, you know, back channels for money and 932 00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,439 Speaker 1: trafficking things and people and stuff. But then it's like, 933 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,240 Speaker 1: Oh God, What Company owns what? And how much do 934 00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,480 Speaker 1: they make and like where do they move their money around? 935 00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:28,680 Speaker 1: It's just like, I don't know. That's that side is like, 936 00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:34,600 Speaker 1: how do I navigate this? So I am extremely fortunate 937 00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:36,960 Speaker 1: to be a part of a group of people who's 938 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:41,520 Speaker 1: working on this stuff. Now, Um, you know, we're gonna 939 00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,080 Speaker 1: what we're going to try to do is sort of 940 00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,720 Speaker 1: make like a Unification Church wikipedia kind of thing so 941 00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,440 Speaker 1: that we have like all of it in one place 942 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,600 Speaker 1: and then, you know, potentially down the line maybe do 943 00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,040 Speaker 1: like a people's history of the Unification Church or something 944 00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:57,560 Speaker 1: like that. But in the meantime we're just compiling a 945 00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:01,640 Speaker 1: bunch of information. Are Are there ways people can support 946 01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,880 Speaker 1: you and it also can support deprogramming imperialism in this 947 01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,880 Speaker 1: the work you all have been doing. Yeah, so I 948 01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,720 Speaker 1: have a patreon. It's Alisa Majub a L I S 949 01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,480 Speaker 1: A M A H J o U B. Uh. You 950 01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:20,680 Speaker 1: can follow me on twitter at Alisa Underscore Majub, same spelling. Uh. 951 01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:25,360 Speaker 1: De Programming imperialism has a twitter. Uh It is, since 952 01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,040 Speaker 1: the programming imperialism was not was too long to put 953 01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,480 Speaker 1: in as a user name. The one we are using 954 01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:38,080 Speaker 1: is no more cults, which is no underscore, more underscore cults. Um. 955 01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:43,680 Speaker 1: And then we have a instagram as well, under deprogramming imperialism, 956 01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:51,680 Speaker 1: I believe. Let me double check, HM, and we will. 957 01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:53,760 Speaker 1: We will put links to all this stuff in the 958 01:00:53,760 --> 01:01:00,440 Speaker 1: show notes. Yeah, awesome, cool, cool, cool. Yeah, it's do. 959 01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:07,880 Speaker 1: Programming imperialism just together together words. Sorry, it's just not. 960 01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,360 Speaker 1: The words are smashed together. There's no space. That's that's 961 01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:21,320 Speaker 1: there we go. I did it. Yeah, well, I I think. 962 01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:22,600 Speaker 1: I think. I think that's going to be all for 963 01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,840 Speaker 1: us today. Um, thank you so so much for joining us. 964 01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,040 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. I really appreciate this and hopefully, 965 01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:33,600 Speaker 1: you know, this will just have help more people to 966 01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,240 Speaker 1: sort of like understand what's going on there and sort 967 01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,520 Speaker 1: of the history of the U C and uh, as 968 01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:39,920 Speaker 1: well as, you know, maybe shine some light on the 969 01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,760 Speaker 1: obbey assassination and UH. You know, the more people who 970 01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:45,800 Speaker 1: know about this, the better, I think. Um, so I 971 01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:49,280 Speaker 1: really appreciate being on here, because you guys have a 972 01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,040 Speaker 1: pretty big platform, so that means a lot to me. Yeah, 973 01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:56,120 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm I'm really, I'm really, really glad that 974 01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,120 Speaker 1: that you came on for this because, I don't know, 975 01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,600 Speaker 1: like it's it's really like it's really easy to like 976 01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:06,760 Speaker 1: cover stuff like this and just never actually sort of 977 01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,600 Speaker 1: like get to the human, like the actual human impact 978 01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,720 Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, and so, yeah, I'm really glad I 979 01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,880 Speaker 1: was able to talk to you. Thank you. Yeah, I'm 980 01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:18,800 Speaker 1: glad I was able to talk to because that it 981 01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,400 Speaker 1: was fun. It was fun, it was informative and getting 982 01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:26,240 Speaker 1: the word out. We're doing it, we're doing the thing. Yeah, yeah, 983 01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:33,920 Speaker 1: it feels good. It could happen here as a production 984 01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,960 Speaker 1: of cool zone media and more podcasts from cool zone media. 985 01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,520 Speaker 1: visit our website, cool zone media DOT COM, or check 986 01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,880 Speaker 1: us out on the I heart radio APP, apple podcasts 987 01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,920 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to podcasts. You can find sources 988 01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,560 Speaker 1: for it could happen here, updated monthly at cool zone 989 01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,360 Speaker 1: media DOT COM. Slash sources. Thanks for listening.