Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison and Lauren z mcomedy for the Home Office
Speaker 1: in Austin, Texas. They bill it as Television's biggest night
Speaker 1: last night was the Emmys. I don't want to start
Speaker 1: off on a negative note, but at one point last
Speaker 1: night you did look at me and say, is TV dead?
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that goes along with the
Speaker 1: moniker of TV's biggest night, but maybe that is the direction.
Speaker 1: More about the direction and the art direction and the
Speaker 1: way they are giving us the Emmys as opposed to television,
Speaker 1: because the thing is there's good TV out there, right,
Speaker 1: But the way the Emmys were presented, it's almost as
Speaker 1: if and this is what it might took away is
Speaker 1: it was depressing in that I think the entire show
Speaker 1: to me felt like an in memoriam.
Speaker 2: Yes, this is it's feeling old, it's feeling and it
Speaker 2: is literally because in part, I don't know why we
Speaker 2: keep doing tributes to things when we're alive and well
Speaker 2: and making new content. So I remember, I believe it
Speaker 2: was the Emmys last year they did these little vignettes
Speaker 2: that were paying homage to iconic TV shows, And I
Speaker 2: thought at the time that was because that was the
Speaker 2: seventy fifth EMMIS if I'm remembering correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got like the cast of Cheers together and
Speaker 1: they recreated.
Speaker 2: It and they recreated the sets and that was cute,
Speaker 2: and Okay, it's we're celebrating an anniversary. I understand the
Speaker 2: thought process. Now we're on the seventy six memis and
Speaker 2: in the most Hollywood way, here's what we do. When
Speaker 2: something works, we do it again. We're gonna give it
Speaker 2: to you again. We're not going to be creative and
Speaker 2: try something new. We're gonna give you the sequel of
Speaker 2: the little segments. And this year they paid tribute to
Speaker 2: just types of characters they got together, like, oh, these
Speaker 2: were some TV doctors, these were some TV lawyers, these
Speaker 2: were some TV but then also just the cast of
Speaker 2: the West.
Speaker 3: Wing I don't know.
Speaker 1: The TV dads then was maybe the weirdest thing. They
Speaker 1: got three really random TV days hearing the.
Speaker 3: Trios were so random. Yeah, because it's like, who's going
Speaker 3: to say yes to this? That's what it is. Who
Speaker 3: can you get to say yes, we have this site, George.
Speaker 4: Lopez, Jesse Tayler, Ferguson get them out of here, Like,
Speaker 4: I don't understand why we were paying some kind of
Speaker 4: tribute this year to just general characters like oh, a
Speaker 4: dad on television.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's still a thing.
Speaker 2: There's still dads on TVs, and we're acting like it's
Speaker 2: all times gone by, and it's really making the whole show,
Speaker 2: the Emmys, and then in part the industry feel like
Speaker 2: it's past.
Speaker 3: It's not a good thing.
Speaker 1: My biggest takeaway last night is if you watched, there
Speaker 1: were some huge shows Showgun, Set Records, Bears.
Speaker 2: And Showgun is a brand new show. It's its first season,
Speaker 2: so we are not dead. Showgun was an amazing show.
Speaker 2: I loved everything about it. You and I devoured that show,
Speaker 2: and it rightfully won so many Emmys fourteen plus four
Speaker 2: sixteen emmys.
Speaker 1: You it's set records before we even got to last night.
Speaker 1: Because the case, TV is not dead. No, and Hacks
Speaker 1: was was a uh a big winner, pleasant surprise last
Speaker 1: night as the winner of Best Comedy. It surprised everybody
Speaker 1: think God Bear didn't Well, I.
Speaker 2: Was gonna surprised people, not because the show is not good.
Speaker 2: Watch Hacks, everybody, I love Hacks, but because people thought
Speaker 2: the Bear was gonna win.
Speaker 3: That's the different topic we'll get in.
Speaker 1: I thought it didn't win, and we will discuss because
Speaker 1: I actually love the show. But TV's not dead. There
Speaker 1: are good shows. Maybe the networks aren't doing a very
Speaker 1: good job of cultivating this and putting stuff on TV,
Speaker 1: but there is great TV out there. Maybe some of
Speaker 1: the best TV we've had in years is on streamers
Speaker 1: right now, Hulu, Facts, you name it, all these all
Speaker 1: these streamers are killing at Peacock. Even there was even
Speaker 1: a new exciting reality show that got mentioned last night,
Speaker 1: thank God, like Amazing Race RuPaul's Drag Race.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, the Traders one Traders one awesome.
Speaker 1: That that's just been on a couple of seasons and
Speaker 1: so and that's on Peacock. And so the feel was
Speaker 1: ABC screaming don't forget us. Remember when we made you
Speaker 1: feel good seventeen years ago when West Wing was on,
Speaker 1: and it just made me sad because I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that cute kid do lay Hill. Oh he's a grown
Speaker 1: ass man with kids and he has a beard.
Speaker 3: Listen. I love Henry Lair and walk.
Speaker 1: Over and do the jukebox thing, and I love Henry Winkler.
Speaker 2: And I love Ron Howard and they're both still you know,
Speaker 2: working in talented and beyond incredible careers.
Speaker 3: But why are we doing the Happy Days set tonight?
Speaker 1: I love?
Speaker 3: It made no sense, you know what?
Speaker 1: I love Henry Winkler for yes, I was old enough
Speaker 1: to watch Happy Days. He's amazing in Barry, he was
Speaker 1: so good as the theatrical coach for Bill Hayter and
Speaker 1: Barry like, he's done great TV in the last five years.
Speaker 1: We don't need to harken back seventy five years to
Speaker 1: Happy Days.
Speaker 2: And here's the thing, Like interestingly, and this is like
Speaker 2: same but slightly offshoot of this conversation has won last Night.
Speaker 2: And Paul w Down's one of the of acts who's
Speaker 2: also so funny on the show, noted in the speech, Look,
Speaker 2: it was hard for we didn't know we'd get this
Speaker 2: show greenlit. The main character is a woman in her sixties.
Speaker 2: And he said, he actually said, we have an aging population.
Speaker 2: A big portion of our population is older, and we
Speaker 2: need to make sure we pay.
Speaker 3: Attention to them.
Speaker 2: And it's a good point, Like and you just pointed
Speaker 2: out there's probably a lot of older people.
Speaker 3: Watching the show.
Speaker 2: So I'm not sitting here saying like don't have older characters,
Speaker 2: don't tell storylines about older people and being old isn't cool.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that. I'm saying, don't create.
Speaker 2: An awards show where you're making your product look like
Speaker 2: it's gone by and it's dead.
Speaker 1: It looked the show smelled of mothballs. So and I agree,
Speaker 1: by the way, don'ts like, don't throw away the past,
Speaker 1: like I love paying homage, like putting out whatever, and
Speaker 1: pair them with young and new. And I love hearing
Speaker 1: some of the kind of the old stories. There's a
Speaker 1: way to work it in. It just felt the nonsensical. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the nonsensical of it and the rhythm of it was
Speaker 1: really odd.
Speaker 2: And while you are spotlighting older actors and older storylines,
Speaker 2: that's great. You also you got to like nod to everybody.
Speaker 2: You know, these shows are losing their new audiences. I
Speaker 2: don't know many people. We were just at family weekend
Speaker 2: at TCU. I don't know many college kids who watched
Speaker 2: the Emmys last night. When I was in college, I
Speaker 2: did watch those awards shows.
Speaker 1: So, and it was like that for all the award shows, right,
Speaker 1: I remember we all watched the Oscars. You watch the
Speaker 1: Grammys and you know obviously all the ratings for all
Speaker 1: these shows, and here's.
Speaker 2: The key difference, and now I will kind of switch.
Speaker 2: But another thing I think they did wrong last night
Speaker 2: making the whole rhythm of the show.
Speaker 3: Look our broad review.
Speaker 2: You and I were watching it going I kept saying,
Speaker 2: should we turn it off?
Speaker 3: Should we turn it off?
Speaker 2: And then you just feel like you got to finish,
Speaker 2: and I knew we want I wanted to review it
Speaker 2: having seen the whole thing, so I'm like, I'm a journalist,
Speaker 2: I gotta do my research, and really watched the whole thing,
Speaker 2: and it felt sleepy the whole time.
Speaker 3: It felt just fine the whole time. Fine.
Speaker 2: But one thing that I think threw off the rhythm
Speaker 2: and where I think you're losing your maybe your new audience.
Speaker 2: They can see all these celebrities on social media, right,
Speaker 2: but one way that they cannot see them is in
Speaker 2: these fun, heartfelt, potentially really funny award speeches where these
Speaker 2: people are in a really key moment in their career
Speaker 2: giving an awards.
Speaker 1: Stow, this was a good point last night you made.
Speaker 2: And they are cutting people off. They've started doing this thing.
Speaker 2: I don't know if the same producer is producing these
Speaker 2: Awards shows lately. But the host comes out in the beginning,
Speaker 2: chastises the audience and tells these nominees, if you get
Speaker 2: up here, don't talk too long. We're gonna play you off.
Speaker 2: Don't And you can see it. They get up there,
Speaker 2: and I would love to know what the timer they're
Speaker 2: given is. It feels like they're telling seconds.
Speaker 1: It's forty five seconds, and that's from the moment they
Speaker 1: stop on the stage. You could see the teleprompter in
Speaker 1: the middle and the forty five second clock went on
Speaker 1: last night, and they are getting kind of down. You
Speaker 1: made a great point and I couldn't put my finger
Speaker 1: on it last night. But and this is not on
Speaker 1: the host. The levees got up and the Ship's creek.
Speaker 1: If you're a fan of Shit's Creek, then they were
Speaker 1: hosting last night. They're trying something new. So it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's get away from the Jimmy Kimmel's of the World
Speaker 1: and the John Olivers because honestly, those shows are dead
Speaker 1: now and going away and not many people are watching.
Speaker 1: So let's try and maybe shift gears and breathe some
Speaker 1: new life into this and get TV stars up there.
Speaker 1: And so they did they tried it what they find
Speaker 1: interesting and again not on the levees at all. When
Speaker 1: they come out the host, whoever it is, and kill
Speaker 1: twenty five to thirty minutes off the top of the show.
Speaker 1: They have so much time there, and I'll due respect
Speaker 1: to the levees, I could have cut that in half
Speaker 1: or probably honestly done away with most all of it
Speaker 1: off the top of the show, like, well you take
Speaker 1: a bit, And they took the time from the stars
Speaker 1: of Steve Martin and Martin Short and Meryl Streep and
Speaker 1: all these you know, Jeremy from the Bear getting up.
Speaker 1: It's like, all these stars are there, and like you said,
Speaker 1: this is the one thing we can't get on social media,
Speaker 1: this raw emotion. And the whole point is we have
Speaker 1: stars in the room. Let them cook, no pun intended
Speaker 1: to the bear. Let them cook, let them do their thing,
Speaker 1: and you have admonished them. The show starting with admonishing
Speaker 1: the biggest stars that you've come to honor and telling
Speaker 1: them to shut up and get off stage and don't
Speaker 1: speak their mind.
Speaker 3: It is about them.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I know it's about making an award
Speaker 2: show that you're going to get advertising money for, but
Speaker 2: the the magic in a bottle that you have. What
Speaker 2: I remember from most most award shows over the years
Speaker 2: is the speeches.
Speaker 3: You are capturing.
Speaker 2: Someone at a magical moment where they've achieved their dreams.
Speaker 2: They're caught off guard, they'd been nervous about it, and
Speaker 2: they are just getting up there and you're giving them
Speaker 2: forty five seconds. I don't think I could make a
Speaker 2: toast about my birthday this year. Well maybe, but you.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying time And the worst part is
Speaker 1: we imagine.
Speaker 2: Thanking everyone in your life and career for one of
Speaker 2: the biggest moments of your life, and you have forty
Speaker 2: five seconds to do it and be funny and be
Speaker 2: emotional and speak from the heart.
Speaker 1: And by the way, with a ginormous clock ticking down
Speaker 1: and John Hamm and Meryl Streep staring at you like
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how nervous you are.
Speaker 2: You feel it because every person gets up there and
Speaker 2: this didn't used to happen in a word speeches and
Speaker 2: the first thing they do is gough, okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: And you're making some of the most talented people in
Speaker 2: the world seem awkward and rushed, and you're killing the
Speaker 2: vibe and instead we're getting these trios of TV doctor
Speaker 2: and lawyer reunions for no reason.
Speaker 1: I think we're god. I think we've really kind of
Speaker 1: scraped back the scab on what's wrong with these show
Speaker 1: because I think for a while they got so out
Speaker 1: of control and they were so long and like, oh
Speaker 1: these these speech is dron on. So I think the
Speaker 1: pendulum has sw Yeah, we over corrected, as we tend
Speaker 1: to do in America. We overcorrected and made it worse.
Speaker 1: And now we have this show where the hosts take
Speaker 1: up so much time and the stars are not getting
Speaker 1: any time. And I've come to see the stars. For example,
Speaker 1: the best example last night is Showgun one. I forget
Speaker 1: which award this was for. Maybe it was at the
Speaker 1: end when they won Best Drama Series and they got
Speaker 1: up on stage and quickly killed their forty five seconds,
Speaker 1: which is insane that the biggest award of the night
Speaker 1: is Drama and Comedy Series and they finally win. All
Speaker 1: the stars get up there, the clock sticking down and
Speaker 1: it's over, and they start playing the music and one
Speaker 1: of the stars of the show got up and read
Speaker 1: something in Japanese. I didn't read it. He gave his
Speaker 1: speech in Japanese, and thank god somebody in the booth.
Speaker 1: I give all credit to whoever the producer or director
Speaker 1: is said to kill the music because it started playing,
Speaker 1: they started playing them off, and instead what happened was
Speaker 1: this guy gave an acceptance speech in Japanese and then
Speaker 1: they gave it in English, and it was one of
Speaker 1: the more kind of poignant, beautiful points of the entire night.
Speaker 1: And that's something we wouldn't have had if we had
Speaker 1: a thirty second clock. And I don't know if there
Speaker 1: is a different design to this of Look, just tell
Speaker 1: everybody you don't need to announce it. The hosts don't
Speaker 1: need to come out and admonish people. It's not like
Speaker 1: a debate where we have the rules of the debate.
Speaker 1: Just let everybody know, Hey, we're going to let you go.
Speaker 1: But around forty five seconds, fifty seconds, if it's droning on,
Speaker 1: we're going to put up a clock. You have twenty
Speaker 1: more seconds to.
Speaker 2: Get Can I tell you right this up here's what
Speaker 2: they should really be doing.
Speaker 3: And it's going to get more subjective, but have.
Speaker 2: Somebody with a good sense of how good it is
Speaker 2: up there playing only certain people off or like give
Speaker 2: more time and tell everybody in advance, give more time
Speaker 2: to certain awards. Like I hate to say it, but
Speaker 2: when you know the best I don't know when some
Speaker 2: of them. When someone is we don't know who the
Speaker 2: director is. We don't know the best director, and maybe
Speaker 2: he's really funny and great. Sometimes they are at random,
Speaker 2: but nobody knows who that is. But if it's not
Speaker 2: going well, maybe you cut him off, or maybe those awards.
Speaker 3: Get less time. But you're right, best drama, give them
Speaker 3: a moment.
Speaker 1: Big stars, When the biggest stars are on stage, you
Speaker 1: have done your job. Congratulate because a lot of these
Speaker 1: like one of the biggest problems with the Oscars is
Speaker 1: there aren't big stars. You don't have big stars on stage.
Speaker 1: A lot of the movies we haven't seen a lot
Speaker 1: of the categories, we don't know the people. But the
Speaker 1: Emmys and the Globes, I'll put you in here as well.
Speaker 1: You've done it. You have got the biggest stars on stage. Boom,
Speaker 1: you've won. Now let them cook. And what you're doing
Speaker 1: is you've made them rattling nervous messes and they blubber
Speaker 1: all over themselves and they stumble and they're nervous and
Speaker 1: then they just jump off stage and it was funny
Speaker 1: like who was it the cut? Oh my god, I'm blanking.
Speaker 1: Who got back on stage? Thank god? Oh is the
Speaker 1: guy from.
Speaker 3: Richard gadd by Rainwah.
Speaker 1: The guy from Baby Rainbeard. Thank god? He won several
Speaker 1: awards because he was so nervous he forgot to think
Speaker 1: his his parents and his wife and his kids, you know,
Speaker 1: whatever it was. And it's like, oh, thank god I
Speaker 1: won again. That was a big admission.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not his wife and his kids, but his parents.
Speaker 2: He got up and he said, I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 3: Glaring omission. Thank god I got it.
Speaker 2: And he was one of my favorite And I do
Speaker 2: want to give a shout out because these were some
Speaker 2: of my I wrote down my favorite speeches of the night.
Speaker 3: Richard gad Baby Reindeer.
Speaker 2: Jean Smart from hacks Lamar and Morris of New Girl
Speaker 2: won an award for Fargo, and he was so funny.
Speaker 2: He said something about like he like slipped up what
Speaker 2: he said. Then he said, sorry, sorry, I don't want
Speaker 2: to talk about that. And I know where babies come from.
Speaker 2: Like he was just being so natural and funny. Greg
Speaker 2: Burlanty got a big Award, and I thought he was
Speaker 2: really poignant. So there were some good speeches and it's
Speaker 2: like I could have watched another minute of Lamar and
Speaker 2: Morris up there. He's really funny and he was great
Speaker 2: and he was having a moment where he like beat
Speaker 2: Robert Downey JUNR and he said, dude, I got a
Speaker 2: poster review sign it like, and he's interacting with everybody
Speaker 2: and he's like Steve Martin sitting right here, and it
Speaker 2: was great.
Speaker 3: So give us more of that, Emmys.
Speaker 1: We don't need the awkward bits. You know, it was
Speaker 1: really awkward last night. And I love them both and
Speaker 1: this is how I know it was awkward. And the
Speaker 1: only reason this was pulled off is because she is brilliant.
Speaker 1: Jane Lynch. They did like two coaches from television and
Speaker 1: they opened to a locker room. There's Jane Lynch and
Speaker 1: I forget the gentleman who's the assistant coach on Ted
Speaker 1: Lasso next to rich Jason Sadeikis and like they do
Speaker 1: this weird coaching bit and it was just like what,
Speaker 1: like who thought? So you know what I don't need
Speaker 1: is thirty seconds of a weird coaching bit.
Speaker 3: It's not even the give it.
Speaker 2: Give me Jane Lynch if it's Glee's fifteen year anniversary.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. It made no sense.
Speaker 1: By the way, get Jane Lynch on stage and right cook.
Speaker 1: She's brilliant, she's funny, like and I get maybe they're like, look,
Speaker 1: we can only have so many presenters, so we have
Speaker 1: to inject people elsewhere. And maybe, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: have the answer for that, but that isn't the answer.
Speaker 1: Hearkening back to the good old days. Throughout this show,
Speaker 1: it just it felt so sad and it made me
Speaker 1: depressed in like it didn't make me reminisce. I guess.
Speaker 3: So I thought. Overall the hosts, yeah, we're fine.
Speaker 2: I miss big moments like when Neil Patrick Harris used
Speaker 2: to do big musical moments that was really fun.
Speaker 3: I don't think we didn't really start with anything huge.
Speaker 3: And I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm a musical theater kid, but I was taught open
Speaker 2: with a song, and with a song, it makes people
Speaker 2: feel good.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 2: I think maybe the most hot, maybe the most like,
Speaker 2: let's just be honest about how mad people are about
Speaker 2: this moment of the night.
Speaker 3: Yeah was the bear winning stuff?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're a fan, but I'm going to read
Speaker 2: one tweet that caught my eye.
Speaker 1: I'm a fan, but I am again, I'm not in
Speaker 1: an echo chamber. I am open enough to realize that
Speaker 1: this is a travesty that they were considered a comedy.
Speaker 2: So that's the big debate, right is The Bear nominated
Speaker 2: for multiple but in the comedy categories. And I think
Speaker 2: the first season it kind of got away with it.
Speaker 2: People were raising questions like is it really a comedy?
Speaker 2: But I feel like the first season The Bear had
Speaker 2: kind of some funnier, wilder moments, but it's gotten more
Speaker 2: and more drama e and now people are like, Okay.
Speaker 1: Not only is it a drama, it's darker than Showgun,
Speaker 1: really some of the darkest dramas. It's about mental health,
Speaker 1: it's about suicide, it's about it. It's not even a drama.
Speaker 1: It's a very dark, heavy drama.
Speaker 2: And when you saw those people, I feel like tonight
Speaker 2: last night, this year's awards show, was the shift where
Speaker 2: people are going to start talking about how they're mad
Speaker 2: about it because you saw some of the winners from
Speaker 2: The Bear going up last night and the other the
Speaker 2: people nominated in the comedy categories.
Speaker 3: You could feel the tension.
Speaker 2: Somebody tweeted, the Bear is committing voter fraud and stealing
Speaker 2: the Emmys.
Speaker 3: Oh that's good, And I think, I don't know if
Speaker 3: this is real.
Speaker 2: Somebody sent me a tweet last night from the mom
Speaker 2: of Hannah Einbinder.
Speaker 3: I think is Einbender? How you say your last name?
Speaker 3: From Hacks?
Speaker 2: And she didn't win, and somebody said this is her
Speaker 2: mom and she tweeted f the Bear because.
Speaker 5: She's on the show Hacks, which is a comedy on
Speaker 5: Avid Elementary. There are some really really good comedies out there.
Speaker 5: And again, I'm glad Hacks won. And I don't know
Speaker 5: maybe if that was a because the Emmys we do
Speaker 5: vote on ourselves, as you know, Academy members or you
Speaker 5: know sag Affter members. We vote amongst ourselves.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad. Look, I'm glad that the Bear won
Speaker 1: because it is a terrific show. It's great writing, it's phenomenal.
Speaker 3: But this is what this is the issue.
Speaker 1: But I've never left once in the history of that show, honestly,
Speaker 1: and I'm not show. I've never left. There was not
Speaker 1: a joke on the show. There's nothing funny about it
Speaker 1: there it doesn't even remotely dance around that line of comedy.
Speaker 1: Like honestly, the Sopranos that was funny. The Sopranos made
Speaker 1: really light they they you know, amongstilling people. The Sopranos
Speaker 1: kind of danced that line of like it's kind of funny.
Speaker 1: The Bear is dark. Wow, I mean there's like when
Speaker 1: you're and hopefully people will comment on this. If you
Speaker 1: binge watch The Bear, you got to take breaks. It's
Speaker 1: that heavy.
Speaker 3: I had to.
Speaker 2: Stop watching it because, look, I'm from Chicago, and there
Speaker 2: are some accurate Chicago things about it, like I do
Speaker 2: argue with my family, but.
Speaker 3: It's non stop. I was like, I'm getting a headache
Speaker 3: watching this show. They fight so much. So that's why
Speaker 3: I stopped watching.
Speaker 1: And it is a beautiful show. And again I'm I'm
Speaker 1: a fan. I'm a big fan because I love the
Speaker 1: culinary world, I love the actors, actresses. It's a phenomenal show.
Speaker 1: I just I'm even I was a little put off,
Speaker 1: like this, this shouldn't be and the problem is it's
Speaker 1: that's hurting TV. Like the battle last night would have
Speaker 1: been the Bear versus Showgun. That would have been a
Speaker 1: kick ass Emmy's Battle.
Speaker 3: Oh, you're right, they're robbing themselves of headlines.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the Comedy Battle because but the problem
Speaker 2: was everyone went in knowing the Bear is probably gonna
Speaker 2: win and it's going to be annoying.
Speaker 3: But you're right, there's so there's actually.
Speaker 2: Really good comedies again right now, like Abbot, Elementary, like Hacks,
Speaker 2: And that's frustrating, and I think it speaks to the
Speaker 2: reality that Hacks won Best Comedy. They're giving the people
Speaker 2: on the Bear the acting. They're awarding them because the
Speaker 2: acting is amazing, but it's not a comedy. Hacks still
Speaker 2: won Best Comedy. So we got to figure that out.
Speaker 2: And I'm being serious. I think like people were annoyed
Speaker 2: last night and it was robbing really really good Awards moments.
Speaker 1: It like, we got to figure it out. Rob this
Speaker 1: Awards moments.
Speaker 3: It's just on an election. Here, can we figure out
Speaker 3: the bear being nominated as a comedy.
Speaker 1: It was just simple. It's just like if they applied
Speaker 1: for comany're like, you're not a comedy at all remotely.
Speaker 1: But overall, the funny thing is, and Laura and I
Speaker 1: watched this last night, but grudgingly because there was a
Speaker 1: great football game on last night, and I know Lauren
Speaker 1: wanted to watch that. Okay, it was your Chicago Bears.
Speaker 1: But but no, in all seriousness, this is our business.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm literally sitting below your Emmy right here,
Speaker 1: Emmy Award winning Entertainment reporter, Launa. But we do. We
Speaker 1: love this industry, and it's an industry we're still very
Speaker 1: much involved in at Merritt Street and producing TV. And
Speaker 1: we love this business and we love creating TV. We
Speaker 1: love watching TV, we love discussing TV. We want it
Speaker 1: to be good. I want the Emmys to not suck.
Speaker 1: That would be wonderful. It felt so dated and sad
Speaker 1: last night, and it's TV is in a good place.
Speaker 1: We have to evolve or die. Television has evolved. The
Speaker 1: streamers are banging. Let's go, let's move on, let's embrace
Speaker 1: what's going on, and let's embrace these new actors, these
Speaker 1: new actresses, these new comedians we have. There are so
Speaker 1: many great comics in the world right now. Let them
Speaker 1: get on stage and do their thing. I think there
Speaker 1: is this old school, this old guard, and maybe it's
Speaker 1: the people that produce the show that are so old
Speaker 1: and holding on for dear life. That they're just like
Speaker 1: you get in this ride, this writer's room of let's
Speaker 1: do a great modern, innovative show, and they're like, well,
Speaker 1: let's bring the cast to the love boat together.
Speaker 2: Well see that and you just hit it. That's really
Speaker 2: my overall thing last night. Nothing innovative, nothing new, Like,
Speaker 2: on the one hand, it's an awards show. On the
Speaker 2: other hand, try some big things, take some big swings.
Speaker 2: Because your numbers are down, right.
Speaker 1: What's gonna happen? Yeah, what's gonna happen? Right? This is
Speaker 1: what ratings suck. The ratings are already gonna suck.
Speaker 2: This is when you take a risk, and this is
Speaker 2: when you innovate. This is when you go outside the box.
Speaker 2: And I think maybe it's what they think is innovating,
Speaker 2: but it was. Instead it's exactly that. It's well, let's
Speaker 2: just go back to what people know. Let's bring out
Speaker 2: TV doctors and lawyers.
Speaker 3: Now, I will amend one thing.
Speaker 2: Apparently it was the West Wings twenty fifth anniversary, so
Speaker 2: that is why they got the West Wing. But you know,
Speaker 2: like bringing new people in, giving them, injecting new life.
Speaker 2: I'll go back to the awards show speech thing. Briefly,
Speaker 2: the lead actress who went on Shogun last night. She
Speaker 2: was played off so quickly. You could have created a
Speaker 2: new star there. You could have given her a few
Speaker 2: more minutes and really on a big platform, created a
Speaker 2: whole new a lister there. And maybe you did a
Speaker 2: little bit, but give her the moment because we need
Speaker 2: a new era of stars. We were watching them age
Speaker 2: before us.
Speaker 1: Our intrepid producer Chrissy just sent this. This is actually
Speaker 1: really good.
Speaker 3: And by the way, welcome Chrissy, she's new on the team.
Speaker 1: CHRISI welkom to the family. But Indie Wire Headline put
Speaker 1: this out. The Emmys could have been an email surprise
Speaker 1: winners and solid speeches. There is spice up a telecast
Speaker 1: that felt more perfunctory than celebratory, let alone entertaining.
Speaker 2: You know what tells you there's something wrong with the
Speaker 2: formula two. We were watching some really talented people last night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not be that good at what they do.
Speaker 1: I know, like.
Speaker 2: Steve Martin and Martin Short and Selena Gomez only murders
Speaker 2: in the building. They got up and did a little
Speaker 2: something and it was it was pretty funny. But even
Speaker 2: they had a few little timing issues and there were
Speaker 2: some other people who got up and literally it was
Speaker 2: like like the always Sunny in Philadelphia pair. They were
Speaker 2: kind of funny, but I'm like, they're way funnier on
Speaker 2: their show. There's something about the way we do this
Speaker 2: and these little bits we try to make in these
Speaker 2: the scriptedness, and whoever is maybe green lighting things in
Speaker 2: the writer's room. As you said, we're not letting people
Speaker 2: do their thing in the right way, and you're making
Speaker 2: really talented people.
Speaker 1: Like look average. Yeah, and these are I mean, like
Speaker 1: you said, if it wasn't for the brilliance of Jane Lynch,
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for the brilliance of Steve Martin Martin Short,
Speaker 1: like just because they're so good at what they do,
Speaker 1: they pulled off. But it was still only fun. I mean,
Speaker 1: they were just pulling it off. They weren't great.
Speaker 2: That Online's right. It could have been an email. We're
Speaker 2: getting Martin and Martin Short writing an email. I want
Speaker 2: to get them doing their stand up, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's And I know these shows
Speaker 1: are hard. I have actually been a part of some
Speaker 1: of these before, and I get it. These are it's
Speaker 1: hard to get all these people together. It's a lot
Speaker 1: of moving parts. It's a tough room. But my god,
Speaker 1: when you have that much talent and then, like you said,
Speaker 1: the talent was not on display last night, And that's
Speaker 1: the crazy part, and that I think is the biggest abomination,
Speaker 1: is that you have so much talent and the talent
Speaker 1: is not allowed to perform and it's not being showcased.
Speaker 3: So well, so.
Speaker 1: Look, we started this and we will end it with
Speaker 1: the same question. Is television dead? No? Did the Emmys
Speaker 1: make it feel that way? Yes, But to the contrary,
Speaker 1: the industry we love and adore and have dedicated our
Speaker 1: professional lives to is I would say, more alive than ever,
Speaker 1: And that maybe was the biggest frustration. Television is not
Speaker 1: only not dead, it's thriving. We just need the Emmys
Speaker 1: to understand that and join us.
Speaker 2: I think maybe a subtle difference is I actually thought
Speaker 2: the other day I was going to text some I
Speaker 2: was going to text Taylor, our daughter, I'm going to
Speaker 2: watch TV. And I thought, you know, she doesn't really
Speaker 2: say that. She's like, I'm gonna go watch this show.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go watch Netflix. We don't all just younger
Speaker 2: people don't just sit and go watch TV anymore. But
Speaker 2: they do watch shows, and we need this Awards show
Speaker 2: about shows to catch up with the vibe and stop
Speaker 2: making people feel like they're just flipping through the TV channels.
Speaker 1: Amen, thank you guys, Thank you guys and Emmys. You
Speaker 1: have a year here on the clock. Just like you
Speaker 1: put your your speakers on the clock, you are on
Speaker 1: the clock. You got twelve months to make it better.
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