WEBVTT - Wallo267 Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>Questlove Show is a production of iHeartRadio. What's up, people?

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<v Speaker 1>It's Questlove.

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<v Speaker 2>And last week, we ran part one of my conversation

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<v Speaker 2>with Walla. I wrote an Instagram post about it. And

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<v Speaker 2>this conversation really hit me in an extreme stressful.

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<v Speaker 1>Time in my life. I was trying to fight my

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<v Speaker 1>instinct to cancel the show.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm glad I didn't. You know, it was just

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<v Speaker 2>a dark week for me. And this conversation meant a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>But Wallo ended up giving me kind of an intervention,

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<v Speaker 2>so to speak. Yes, there are these episodes of QLS

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<v Speaker 2>where I talk more than I want to.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one of those episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>So, but, you know, Wallo showed me how he lives

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<v Speaker 2>and how liberated his mind and his soul are. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I found it really inspiring. It damn near moved me

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<v Speaker 2>to tears. But I really wasn't sure I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>air this, but... You know, it's real, and I'm authentic,

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<v Speaker 2>and I owe that to myself, and I owe it

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<v Speaker 2>to all of you out there, and thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>supporting the show and all the feedback and whatnot. That

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<v Speaker 2>was part one, and we left that part of the

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<v Speaker 2>conversation with a breakthrough, and now this is part two.

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<v Speaker 1>While it kind of takes over my.

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<v Speaker 2>Show, imagine that, and we exchange stories and talk about

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<v Speaker 2>music and life, and you can hear that I'm genuinely.

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<v Speaker 1>Affected by his pep talk, so.

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<v Speaker 2>part two of the interview with wallow on uh the

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<v Speaker 2>quest love show hope you enjoy it that was a

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<v Speaker 2>hell mary pass and i caught that shit with just

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<v Speaker 2>one second left barely and i gotta feel good about

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<v Speaker 2>standing my ground.

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<v Speaker 3>You got to his game time.

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<v Speaker 2>Man um how can i pivot all right um Can

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<v Speaker 2>you take over the podcast?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to take it over.

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<v Speaker 3>I got this. I think I know something. I think

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<v Speaker 3>I know how to do something like this. Let me

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<v Speaker 3>just say this, right?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, man.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me break this down, right?

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<v Speaker 1>Shit, man.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm going to just talk about you real quick.

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<v Speaker 3>The Roots, right? So y'all was having the picnic, right?

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<v Speaker 3>So this young cat come and say, damn, man, like

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<v Speaker 3>this Roots story, man, this story. Because he didn't really

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<v Speaker 3>understand it. He heard Jay-Z was coming, so he was like,

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<v Speaker 3>He didn't even know. He from Philly. Didn't even know

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<v Speaker 3>what The Roots was. Young guy, right? So he was like, man, like,

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<v Speaker 3>what is this, man? Who started this joint? I said,

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<v Speaker 3>The Roots, man. He said, yeah, but what is The Roots, right?

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<v Speaker 3>What is that? Is it a story? Like, they didn't

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<v Speaker 3>know what it was, right?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I know.

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<v Speaker 3>So I broke it down to him, right? And this

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<v Speaker 3>was an unbelievable education, right? So I tell him who

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<v Speaker 3>you are. I pick it up a little bit. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>showing him the albums. He's like, yo. And you know

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<v Speaker 3>what he asked me? He said... How did they become

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<v Speaker 3>so big to have their own picnic? And to hear Yung,

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<v Speaker 3>I said, listen, because he was messed up with like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I plays y'all stuff. He's like, yo, man,

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<v Speaker 3>they did that type of rap. Like, how did they?

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<v Speaker 3>I said, nephew, the marketing of music today and how

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<v Speaker 3>they marketed it to y'all and what y'all think it is,

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<v Speaker 3>y'all didn't understand that hip hop was the soundtrack to

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<v Speaker 3>a struggle. It was the soundtrack to a struggle in

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<v Speaker 3>the 80s, the 90s. It was something that we listened

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<v Speaker 3>to when we didn't have no food, when the refrigerator

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<v Speaker 3>was broke. when the stamps ain't come through, whatever it was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just this energy to get fly to the streets,

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<v Speaker 3>the block parties. I said, whatever. So I go all

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<v Speaker 3>the way back. All because he asked me about the

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<v Speaker 3>festival and didn't know who y'all was. So I had

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<v Speaker 3>to break it all the way down. I said, listen.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, this is the thing. We didn't segregate hip

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<v Speaker 3>hop when we came up. I said, listen, I will

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<v Speaker 3>make a mixtape. He's like, you was D? I said, no,

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't no DJ. I said, I will make a mixtape.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, my brother had this Boombox that had two

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<v Speaker 3>cassette players, right? And what I would do is I

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<v Speaker 3>would just, he said, how would, it was hard to.

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<v Speaker 1>Explain to him. Trying to explain to him how you

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<v Speaker 1>got music right.

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<v Speaker 3>So I explained to him, right, because he saw me

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<v Speaker 3>with a Walkman one time and it blew his mind.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm breaking it down, how was it? I said,

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<v Speaker 3>in my mind, I was a DJ. I was making

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<v Speaker 3>my own mixtapes, right? And I said, this is how

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<v Speaker 3>it would be. I said, it'd be NWA. The next

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<v Speaker 3>song might be Slick Rick. The next song might be,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, uh, uh, uh, uh, Leaders of the new school.

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<v Speaker 3>The next song might be ultra magnetic. So I'm bringing

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<v Speaker 3>it down. He's like, what the fuck is that, man?

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<v Speaker 3>So I said, all right, bet it.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, bet.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me bring it down. I said, say you might

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<v Speaker 3>be listening to 21 Savage. The next song would be J. Cole.

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<v Speaker 3>The next song would be, he was like, that don't mix.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, no. Right. This is what I'm saying. Y'all

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<v Speaker 3>segregated hip hop, so y'all not allowed to enjoy hip hop.

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<v Speaker 3>You would have somebody like, you only listen to, oh man,

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<v Speaker 3>I only listen to Drill. So it was like, you

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<v Speaker 3>leaving out a whole, we didn't do that. Every, all

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<v Speaker 3>hip hop was ours. And I said, the part that

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<v Speaker 3>the Roots played, they played the major part. Because I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I said, let me explain something to you. At the beginning,

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<v Speaker 3>you misintroduced me because I am an MC. I'm a

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<v Speaker 3>former MC. So you got to understand that.

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<v Speaker 1>I know this.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was like, hold on, I am an artist.

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<v Speaker 1>I know this. Yes, you are.

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<v Speaker 3>And you got to remember this too, though. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>in the hood, everybody rapped. What's crazy about the Roots is,

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<v Speaker 3>When y'all first came out back in the day, y'all

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<v Speaker 3>had Dice with y'all. My homeboy lived next door to Dice, P.M. Low,

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<v Speaker 3>of Logan. He introduced me to Dice when I was

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<v Speaker 3>doing the music thing. He introduced me to Dice. Dice

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<v Speaker 3>took a liking to me. Dice took me to my man, Peanut.

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<v Speaker 3>This is when I started Major Figures. I started Major Figures.

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<v Speaker 3>Dice helped me pick that name out. Because Dice was

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<v Speaker 3>in the basement.

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<v Speaker 1>Dice never told me that.

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<v Speaker 3>Dice was in the basement. He came to my grandma's crib.

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<v Speaker 3>He was in the basement. And I wrote some names down.

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<v Speaker 3>He was like, yo, pick that joint.

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<v Speaker 1>That's joint.

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<v Speaker 3>And Dice used to take me to my homeboy, Peanut Studios, like, yo, Tina,

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<v Speaker 3>I got him. Just let him record, me and Gil.

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<v Speaker 3>Gil didn't really know him like I did. But Dice,

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<v Speaker 3>it was just a connection. But what I'm saying to

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<v Speaker 3>say is this. Marketing messed everything up. And even if

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<v Speaker 3>you think about the music, like, right now, marketing told

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<v Speaker 3>us that digital is better than everything in life. Internet

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<v Speaker 3>is better than everything in life, right? But guess what?

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody in the world is trying to go back to

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<v Speaker 3>when we existed. We're dinosaurs. Me and you was to

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<v Speaker 3>when we existed. Vinyl is jumping. CDs is jumping. VCRs

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<v Speaker 3>is jumping. Regular, you got cafes and restaurants that don't

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<v Speaker 3>allow you to use your phone because they want you

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<v Speaker 3>to talk. Everything about us dinosaur time, everybody want to

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<v Speaker 3>reconnect with that. Everybody is trying to put their phone

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<v Speaker 3>down more. Think about it. Think about it. Everybody is fascinated.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember I was talking to, what's his name, Lil Yachty.

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<v Speaker 3>I sent him 50 albums, and I sent him 50 black.

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<v Speaker 1>Movies, period.

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<v Speaker 3>From back, he lost his mind. He couldn't believe the covers.

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<v Speaker 3>He was like, yo, this shit crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, it's a lot of ideas. This is the problem.

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<v Speaker 3>Us older people is losing. The younger people is winning.

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<v Speaker 1>This is why.

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<v Speaker 3>They had daytime. And now niggas spend a lifetime going

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<v Speaker 3>back to check out our time, to check out our music,

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<v Speaker 3>to check out our movies, to check out our era,

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<v Speaker 3>to check out our clothes, our style. Do you realize

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<v Speaker 3>that everybody's fascinated with yesterday? But they told us that

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<v Speaker 3>today is better. Think about it. Think about everything. Everything

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<v Speaker 3>is popping right now from back in the day. Like

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<v Speaker 3>one of y'all vinyls probably cost a shitload of money.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>You got people. I'm seeing, I'm in a, what's that

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<v Speaker 3>record store, Jake? You might know it too. the record

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<v Speaker 3>store in LA, Adore, it started with it. I'm in

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<v Speaker 3>there on a Saturday, right? So I go in there,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to grab some CDs. Cause I bought this Supreme,

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<v Speaker 3>got this dope ass CD player, right? I bought that joint,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, damn, this joint. So I go in there,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm buying some CDs, I'm buying anything. I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 3>see all these young people when they're buying vinyl. They're

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<v Speaker 3>buying records, but I'm like, what the fuck do you

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<v Speaker 3>know about vinyl? And they just, I'm like, he got, damn,

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<v Speaker 3>he got prints. What the fuck he know about that?

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<v Speaker 3>I know he ain't even got no mustache. Like, you

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<v Speaker 3>ain't even got, like, I'm in there, I'm seeing all

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<v Speaker 3>these young kids of all races, nationalities, just grabbing, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>what the fuck is going on? I'm like, NWA? I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>they just going crazy. I'm like, where do they even

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<v Speaker 3>get these lists? They must be Googling, because I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. But the fact to see all them in there,

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<v Speaker 3>so I'm like, they got so much more to tap into.

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<v Speaker 3>They got a vault. I'm talking about, like, even when

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<v Speaker 3>I talk to kids about certain movies, I'm like, you

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<v Speaker 3>never seen this? You never seen, they be like, it's

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<v Speaker 3>just crazy. But the marketing told everybody that digital is

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<v Speaker 3>better than real life.

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<v Speaker 2>We also live in a disposable culture that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't revere or even consider it art or worthy

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<v Speaker 2>to hear today and discard it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's deep. That was Elva Pivot, man. You're good.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a, I'm a, I'm a. I know how to

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<v Speaker 3>do this. I know how to do this, man.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So as a person who fears never working again, like

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<v Speaker 2>how long did it really take for you to acclimate?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>I know the importance of, I don't want to give

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<v Speaker 2>people that, that false impression that I am 24 seven

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<v Speaker 2>constantly working.

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<v Speaker 1>On all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very much aware that, you know, I have to

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<v Speaker 2>just to survive, you know? And so it feels foreign.

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<v Speaker 1>Taking a day off. Like, now I'm in a cycle where, like,

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<v Speaker 1>one day, usually a Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't do nothing. And, like, to still be in

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<v Speaker 2>my pajamas, like, after 2 p.m. Because I'm so programmed to, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I got to work. Got to do something. Got to

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<v Speaker 2>feel worthy or whatever it is. But, like, how long

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<v Speaker 2>does it really take you to wear, like, where you

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<v Speaker 2>mean it and you're fine with it?

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<v Speaker 3>Coming into this new year, I mean, coming into this year, right,

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<v Speaker 3>I said to myself, I'm enjoying me. And I just

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<v Speaker 3>did it. I just started, like, stopped taking a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of phone calls. Like, people would be like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>after a couple calls, they may hit me, and I

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<v Speaker 3>might text them. Yeah, I'm cool. You cool?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really grateful for you stopping here because. Oh, no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to come here because I enjoy the platform.

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<v Speaker 3>So my whole thing is, like, I reached out. So Sean,

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<v Speaker 3>I reached out to Sean. Yo, Sean. Sean has always

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<v Speaker 3>been like a mentor.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude.

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<v Speaker 3>Sean is the guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Your biggest champion.

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<v Speaker 3>He's that guy. So what happened is I just said no.

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<v Speaker 3>I woke up in the St. Regis in Dominican Republic

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<v Speaker 3>this new year, right?

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<v Speaker 1>Unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 3>It was unbelievable. It was like a new joint they built, right?

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<v Speaker 3>So I wake up.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm running.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm playing. I'm running the water. I'm just loving it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, mm-hmm, yeah. I ain't answering my phone

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<v Speaker 3>a lot. I don't need, like, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, God.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm like, I'm not answering my phone.

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<v Speaker 1>The pain I feel.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing me because I realized, and then I wound

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<v Speaker 3>up getting this spot. I'm going to Miami all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, hold up. I go down here. I might spend,

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<v Speaker 3>in the weekend, you know, to stay in the one

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever. You spending the grip. I said, damn, let

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<v Speaker 3>me get my own place. Got a place down there

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<v Speaker 3>on the water.

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<v Speaker 1>Collins.

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<v Speaker 3>Out there in Surfside. Bar Harbor.

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<v Speaker 1>Dope.

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<v Speaker 3>And I just started walking. Walking and riding my bike.

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<v Speaker 1>Right? I'm walking.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm enjoying life. I just keep going. Next thing you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I wind up in Arizona. I'm like, damn, I'm in Scottsdale.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, let me just drive to Sedona. Drive to Sedona.

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<v Speaker 3>Next thing you know, I'm on a trail. I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to Devil's Bridge, and I'm walking on these trails so deep.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm in there. I'm like, I got to sit down.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sweating. I'm sweating so much. I'm like, I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like I'm in a real desert. I'm hiking. I'm doing

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<v Speaker 3>all this. I'm just talking about, I'm just really living, bro.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sitting in a crib, right, on a random, like, Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 3>in the middle of the day, say, I ain't going nowhere.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just watching these movies I ain't watched in a while.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm just living, listening to music, grabbing CDs, and

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<v Speaker 3>I got cassettes, and I'm just, I'm doing me, man.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like because what I realize is I got to

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<v Speaker 3>get out of this joint one day. And I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to be the person that get to my funeral,

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<v Speaker 3>and when I show up at my funeral, I'm talking

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<v Speaker 3>about something, damn, I should have done this. I was

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<v Speaker 3>in a hospital one time, and I did a video.

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<v Speaker 3>I was talking about it. And I just walked in

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<v Speaker 3>there because I knew this girl there, So she was like,

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<v Speaker 3>why don't we come through? I mean, I got somebody

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<v Speaker 3>that I want to see. I went there, somebody was ill.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was just going room to room. And what

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<v Speaker 3>I noticed is all these rooms I went to, I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, tell me all your patients. Nobody was sitting

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<v Speaker 3>there with them. And I would ask them questions and

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<v Speaker 3>talk to them. And I realized a lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>would be like, live, baby. You better live so you

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<v Speaker 3>never know. You just never know, never know. So I

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to be the person that sit out here questioning.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't be like, no. Like, I'm telling you, when you

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<v Speaker 3>give yourself time and you say, I don't even call

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<v Speaker 3>it cheat day. That's a life day. I'm not doing nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't try to be slick and just go Sunday. Go Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 3>Go Tuesday and just cut.

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<v Speaker 1>A weekday?

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<v Speaker 3>Squander a weekday?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I got accomplished on a weekday?

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<v Speaker 3>This is what you do. This is what you do.

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<v Speaker 3>Write down your favorite restaurants in the country. So wherever

0:13:09.270 --> 0:13:14.449
<v Speaker 3>you're at that Tuesday, hotel, whatever, sleep later. Make a

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<v Speaker 3>reservation for the restaurant later. Just chill. Listen to the

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<v Speaker 3>music you want to listen to. Just quest. Just enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's going to be all right. Nothing's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>You're going to wake up Wednesday and go, ah, and

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to feel better. I'm telling you.

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<v Speaker 2>Leave it to me to manifest a life of drumming

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<v Speaker 2>that leads to a life of a career, that leads

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<v Speaker 2>to a path of a talk show.

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<v Speaker 1>That leads a path.

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<v Speaker 2>To, okay, let's just say short version of it. Giving

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<v Speaker 2>me time to take my dreams seriously. Because that's a

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<v Speaker 2>whole other thing. Like survival and hustling versus like asking shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Like what is it that you want to do? What

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<v Speaker 2>is it that you? And that spawning off to a

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<v Speaker 2>platform is kind of really the most public intervention talk

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever gotten. probably in my life, but I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>at that place now, you know, and I, I thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for this. It's hard being this raw and like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a major fear of mine.

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<v Speaker 1>This is why I hide and hide.

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<v Speaker 2>Behind a drum set, hide behind DJ gig, hide behind Tariq,

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<v Speaker 2>behind Jimmy Fallon, behind everything, hide behind the shell, hide because,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we know what our like life mission and

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<v Speaker 2>our life purpose is. And, like sometimes trying to heed

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<v Speaker 2>the call is just like one of the most fearful

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<v Speaker 2>things ever. And so, you know, I think maybe watching you,

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<v Speaker 2>you see me thinking where Marty McFly get on the

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<v Speaker 2>skateboard and they're on the flight. Like, look at him go,

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<v Speaker 2>look at him go. And I'm just like, yo, like leadership.

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<v Speaker 2>Like he knows how to talk to people and communicate

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<v Speaker 2>and dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. And the way I

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<v Speaker 2>dream about like, what's my version of that in life.

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<v Speaker 2>And really it's, Me also knowing my avoiding that mission

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<v Speaker 2>and how now I know I don't have any choice. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't help but accept that. And so, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been running away from it. And it's just like,

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<v Speaker 2>I needed somebody to really.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks, man.

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<v Speaker 3>No problem.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Questlove show.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not ending this. We can still talk.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to process everything I just learned today, man.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the game we're going to play. Question for question.

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<v Speaker 1>Easy.

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<v Speaker 3>Simple questions, right? Okay. I think they simple. They might

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<v Speaker 3>not be, but we want to ask questions for question.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to start first.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Greatest album you ever heard in your life.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>The analytical part of me is going to intervene because

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<v Speaker 2>there's kind of two categories, which is like, There's the

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<v Speaker 2>album that was the, this is my calling. And then

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<v Speaker 2>there's the album that's like, this is what I want

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<v Speaker 2>to do for a living. I think the calling one's

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<v Speaker 2>the more stronger one. I spent a lifetime in the

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<v Speaker 2>family business. My dad was an oldies doo-wop singer from

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<v Speaker 2>the 50s. My mom sang with him. They had a

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<v Speaker 2>nightclub act. So by the time I was five, I

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<v Speaker 2>was part of the They didn't believe in babysitters. So

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted their, you know, like there's people on the

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<v Speaker 2>block that never let the kids out their sight, even

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<v Speaker 2>if it has to.

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<v Speaker 1>Be in the nightclub, like working the lights or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>But I grew up interning for my dad, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's like junior prom time and I want to

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<v Speaker 2>get like a, I'm going to get fresh or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had to get my first real job. And

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<v Speaker 2>there's a, you remember Big Al's on, um, You pin

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<v Speaker 2>34 or 1.

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<v Speaker 1>I ain't familiar. Big Al was a.

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<v Speaker 2>Hamburger spot based on a fictional character from Happy Days.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever seen the video Buddy Holly by Weezer?

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<v Speaker 3>I remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. So they're in Big Al's cafe. It looks like

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<v Speaker 1>the 50s.

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<v Speaker 3>Happy Days.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was my first getting an after school job

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<v Speaker 2>just so I can get extra money for a tux

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<v Speaker 2>and all that stuff. For most people, summer job is

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<v Speaker 2>also like saving up for a leather jacket for next

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<v Speaker 2>year for school. And this is the third week of June.

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<v Speaker 2>And Public Enemy's Nation of Millions album is coming out

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<v Speaker 2>that day. That album is an achievement of a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of things. But primarily what it means to me is

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<v Speaker 2>that's the album that made all the boring parts of

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<v Speaker 2>my dad's massive record collection make sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Because like, Music wise, I'm like, wait a minute. Dad

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<v Speaker 1>plays that song at home. I know that song.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I know that guitar line. And suddenly became like a,

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<v Speaker 2>my mind like, yeah, yeah. So it was like CSI,

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<v Speaker 2>like literally I'm going home. Like, so how they get

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<v Speaker 2>these drums for that? And then like, I taught myself,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, watching Stevie Wonder on the Cosby show, like

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<v Speaker 2>do the whole jamming on the one thing with Malcolm

0:18:21.470 --> 0:18:24.060
<v Speaker 2>Jamal Warner. Like, I don't know if you remember that episode,

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<v Speaker 2>the Huxtables getting a car accident with Stevie Wonder's limousine.

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<v Speaker 3>I ain't seen that one.

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<v Speaker 1>In the most Cosby way ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Him being Stevie Wonder, he invites the Huxtables to visit

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<v Speaker 2>with him in a music studio in Brooklyn.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, yeah, what a way to get

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<v Speaker 1>out of a lawsuit.

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<v Speaker 2>Like any other Brooklyn family would have had a come

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<v Speaker 2>up like Stevie Wonder. So they all come to visit

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<v Speaker 2>Stevie Wonder. And he's just like messing around, having a

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<v Speaker 2>jam session. And what he's showing them is how sampling works.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he has each one of them come up. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>say a word, Theo. And he'll be like, jamming on

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<v Speaker 2>the one. Like, this is prime Rocket.

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<v Speaker 3>All that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>All that stuff era.

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<v Speaker 2>But what it's also doing, it's planting the seed with

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<v Speaker 2>every 15, 16, 17-year-old.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, what's that?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm watching this. Just Blaze is watching this. DJ

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<v Speaker 2>Premier is watching this. Pete Rock is watching this.

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<v Speaker 3>Q-Tip.

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<v Speaker 2>So what it's doing is putting a chip in our

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<v Speaker 2>head that there's a digital way to be creative, with

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<v Speaker 2>music and records through sampling. And so it seemed like

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<v Speaker 2>a novelty on that show, but what it's secretly gonna

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<v Speaker 2>do is gonna change our lives. And three years later,

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<v Speaker 2>this is when classic hip hop like makes sense. So

0:19:36.950 --> 0:19:39.669
<v Speaker 2>in order to sample, you need something to sample. So

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<v Speaker 2>we all go in our whatever's at home. And my

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<v Speaker 2>dad just happened to have an immaculate record collection. So

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<v Speaker 2>by the time Public Enemy comes along, it was a

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<v Speaker 2>moment so powerful and I you know I'm supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be there to start cutting french fries at like 11 a.m.

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<v Speaker 2>for the rush order I'm from West Philly 52nd and

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<v Speaker 2>New Sage and I worked at 34-1 in UPenn and

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<v Speaker 2>by the time I got to work I was at

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<v Speaker 2>the top of side two showing what you.

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<v Speaker 3>Got you know Tell them what you got.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I just never heard a musical assault of

0:20:15.830 --> 0:20:19.340
<v Speaker 2>my life soundtrack thrown at me that way. And I

0:20:19.380 --> 0:20:22.760
<v Speaker 2>wanted in on it. And I went on my lunch break,

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<v Speaker 2>and I had to hear what Side 2 sounded like.

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<v Speaker 2>So I went on my lunch break, sat in the park,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just never went back to work. I listened

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<v Speaker 2>to that record six times over and was like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is what I want to do for a living. So

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<v Speaker 2>I called Tariq. and this was back in the day, remember?

0:20:41.340 --> 0:20:43.359
<v Speaker 2>He used to play songs over the phone and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 2>Every classic hip hop record, he would play me the

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<v Speaker 2>entire Cool G rap thing, play Men at Work four

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<v Speaker 2>times in a row. We've been closing our show with

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<v Speaker 2>Men at Work for the last 20 years.

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<v Speaker 1>That's our connection. But yeah, Nation of Millions is really

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<v Speaker 1>the album that.

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<v Speaker 2>Was my come to Jesus moment where I can take

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<v Speaker 2>the ingredients inside my house and figure out a way

0:21:08.619 --> 0:21:12.399
<v Speaker 2>for me to utilize that so I can get me and.

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<v Speaker 1>Us out of that house. Because it's also the 80s.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>So to me, I mean, it's a creative album, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was also like the blueprint I needed, music education,

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out how to get out of there.

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<v Speaker 3>Major.

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<v Speaker 1>What's yours?

0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:36.480
<v Speaker 3>Process. Process.

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<v Speaker 1>Sanfa.

0:21:39.220 --> 0:21:40.939
<v Speaker 3>What is it about that album that touched you? I

0:21:40.980 --> 0:21:43.609
<v Speaker 3>first got home from prison, right? And I used to

0:21:43.650 --> 0:21:46.170
<v Speaker 3>walk Broad Street all the time. I walked from Broad

0:21:46.190 --> 0:21:50.129
<v Speaker 3>and Allegheny to South Street, downtown, whatever, right? So I'm

0:21:50.150 --> 0:21:53.330
<v Speaker 3>in a record store on South Street, 2017. So I

0:21:53.369 --> 0:21:55.209
<v Speaker 3>go inside, and there's a lot of albums I can

0:21:55.230 --> 0:21:57.580
<v Speaker 3>name that I love over the years that was just great,

0:21:57.820 --> 0:22:02.119
<v Speaker 3>but this is different. I go inside the record store,

0:22:02.140 --> 0:22:06.119
<v Speaker 3>and there's a song called Plastic playing. He got a

0:22:06.140 --> 0:22:08.630
<v Speaker 3>song called Plastic. If you hear his voice, it's like.

0:22:10.250 --> 0:22:11.149
<v Speaker 1>I know his voice well.

0:22:11.190 --> 0:22:13.050
<v Speaker 3>So I asked the dude in the record store, I said, yo,

0:22:13.190 --> 0:22:15.470
<v Speaker 3>what is that? Because it was a sound I never

0:22:15.510 --> 0:22:19.449
<v Speaker 3>heard before. And it was emotional. It was like, and

0:22:19.830 --> 0:22:21.429
<v Speaker 3>he said, right there, you stand in the front, I'd

0:22:21.450 --> 0:22:23.610
<v Speaker 3>be pointing. And I was like, and the album was there,

0:22:23.630 --> 0:22:27.510
<v Speaker 3>the vinyl, right? So I went on my thing, found it.

0:22:28.270 --> 0:22:30.020
<v Speaker 3>And I must have had that song on repeat for

0:22:30.060 --> 0:22:33.960
<v Speaker 3>like weeks. It was something that I needed to, I

0:22:33.980 --> 0:22:35.240
<v Speaker 3>don't know. It was just that it was a lot

0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:37.980
<v Speaker 3>coming home from prison. My brother and I, brother getting

0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:40.709
<v Speaker 3>killed when I was in prison. I'm coming home and

0:22:41.350 --> 0:22:46.870
<v Speaker 3>it was deep because I came home and I remember myself,

0:22:48.550 --> 0:22:50.389
<v Speaker 3>I was looking for my brother without looking for my

0:22:50.410 --> 0:22:52.810
<v Speaker 3>brother because, you know, I never, being in prison, I

0:22:52.810 --> 0:22:54.970
<v Speaker 3>didn't go to the funeral. So I'm thinking like, it'd

0:22:54.990 --> 0:22:57.980
<v Speaker 3>be like, I'd be laughing about something. It'd be, you know,

0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:01.119
<v Speaker 3>you know how sometimes we might laugh. Well, I don't

0:23:01.140 --> 0:23:02.700
<v Speaker 3>know if anybody do this. I'm laughing at myself, talking

0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:04.280
<v Speaker 3>to myself. I'm like, wait till I tell Steve this.

0:23:04.830 --> 0:23:07.750
<v Speaker 3>I might see something funny. Catch yourself. But that song,

0:23:08.130 --> 0:23:11.230
<v Speaker 3>it just was like it was an emotional thing I

0:23:11.270 --> 0:23:14.280
<v Speaker 3>was going through just being home and always talking about

0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:17.119
<v Speaker 3>thinking I'm going to see. It was deep by my brother.

0:23:17.700 --> 0:23:19.719
<v Speaker 3>So that song got me through all this. It got

0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:22.660
<v Speaker 3>me through. And then after that, that's the album, but

0:23:23.160 --> 0:23:25.120
<v Speaker 3>just him in itself. He got another song called Can't

0:23:25.140 --> 0:23:26.659
<v Speaker 3>Get Close on the EP he had, but it was

0:23:26.700 --> 0:23:30.200
<v Speaker 3>just deep. So I always say to myself like, yo,

0:23:31.410 --> 0:23:33.429
<v Speaker 3>I don't care. So I started DMing him like, yo,

0:23:33.470 --> 0:23:37.240
<v Speaker 3>I got to. I'm like, man, I got to meet you.

0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:38.820
<v Speaker 3>And I see you read the DMs, but don't listen

0:23:38.840 --> 0:23:43.140
<v Speaker 3>to me. So everybody like this. No, it was so powerful, right?

0:23:43.200 --> 0:23:45.010
<v Speaker 3>Because I'm the dude that's like this. I'm still a

0:23:45.050 --> 0:23:47.950
<v Speaker 3>fan of music and people I know. I still lose

0:23:47.990 --> 0:23:50.409
<v Speaker 3>my mind. I see a legend. I'm like, whoa. I

0:23:50.450 --> 0:23:55.150
<v Speaker 3>go crazy, right? So I'm like, so anybody I would

0:23:55.170 --> 0:23:57.169
<v Speaker 3>run into that would be like a supporter of what

0:23:57.190 --> 0:23:58.710
<v Speaker 3>I got going on, and they'd be from London. I'd

0:23:58.730 --> 0:24:00.560
<v Speaker 3>be like, yo, you know Sanford? They'd be like, yo,

0:24:00.580 --> 0:24:01.639
<v Speaker 3>I'll be seeing him on the show. I'd be like, yo,

0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:02.640
<v Speaker 3>tell him that I'm looking.

0:24:02.460 --> 0:24:02.940
<v Speaker 1>For him, right?

0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:10.100
<v Speaker 3>So everybody that knew me knew that I love sampling.

0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:11.830
<v Speaker 3>I would post this stuff. I would put stuff in

0:24:11.850 --> 0:24:14.230
<v Speaker 3>the store. I'm like, yo, this is the guy. His

0:24:14.310 --> 0:24:17.610
<v Speaker 3>music is the greatest in the world. So one day

0:24:17.670 --> 0:24:22.130
<v Speaker 3>I get a call, right? It's 2022, my birthday, June 21st, right?

0:24:22.670 --> 0:24:26.140
<v Speaker 3>So I get a call. I get a call from Shanice,

0:24:26.380 --> 0:24:30.410
<v Speaker 3>my homegirl, Shanice. In London, she worked at YouTube because

0:24:30.430 --> 0:24:32.510
<v Speaker 3>I'm the cultural advisor at YouTube at the time. So

0:24:32.790 --> 0:24:34.330
<v Speaker 3>she worked in London. I get a call from her

0:24:34.369 --> 0:24:36.189
<v Speaker 3>and Tuma. You know Tuma Basa?

0:24:36.820 --> 0:24:37.060
<v Speaker 1>Yes.

0:24:37.190 --> 0:24:40.580
<v Speaker 3>So her and Tuma called me and treated me like, yo, Wilder, this, that,

0:24:40.600 --> 0:24:42.280
<v Speaker 3>and third, we need you to come to London. And

0:24:42.420 --> 0:24:44.159
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, what do we got to do? We got

0:24:44.180 --> 0:24:46.699
<v Speaker 3>to do some like, we need you to come to

0:24:46.740 --> 0:24:49.500
<v Speaker 3>London and we're doing this thing, program, because they had

0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:53.260
<v Speaker 3>a program where you interview people or different type of stuff.

0:24:53.300 --> 0:24:55.160
<v Speaker 3>So he was like, yeah, we need you to come.

0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:56.820
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know it's your birthday, but we need

0:24:56.840 --> 0:24:57.900
<v Speaker 3>you to come to interview somebody.

0:24:57.960 --> 0:24:58.380
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, all right.

0:24:58.750 --> 0:25:01.530
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, what? They talking about, we need you to

0:25:01.590 --> 0:25:04.820
<v Speaker 3>interview Sanford. I hung the phone up like, man. I'm like, yeah,

0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:06.340
<v Speaker 3>all right. So I'm like, I'm laughing. They're like, no,

0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:07.840
<v Speaker 3>we true. So I'm thinking they joking, right?

0:25:07.940 --> 0:25:08.160
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:11.820
<v Speaker 3>Man, so this is my first time ever out the country.

0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:14.460
<v Speaker 3>At this time, I was on parole. I'm not on parole.

0:25:15.250 --> 0:25:17.530
<v Speaker 3>I already had my passport, but I never knew when

0:25:17.570 --> 0:25:19.830
<v Speaker 3>I was going to use it. So they say, if

0:25:19.850 --> 0:25:21.970
<v Speaker 3>you had a criminal record before, they're not going to

0:25:21.990 --> 0:25:22.750
<v Speaker 3>let you into London.

0:25:22.910 --> 0:25:24.139
<v Speaker 1>London's so hard, man.

0:25:24.170 --> 0:25:27.180
<v Speaker 3>So listen, so listen. This is my first time out

0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:30.320
<v Speaker 3>the country. I'm by myself. I get off the plane, right?

0:25:30.380 --> 0:25:32.250
<v Speaker 1>Anxiety. Hold up, hold up, hold up.

0:25:32.600 --> 0:25:35.379
<v Speaker 3>I get off the plane, right? So when I get

0:25:35.420 --> 0:25:38.050
<v Speaker 3>off the plane, I walk into these, you know how

0:25:38.070 --> 0:25:40.490
<v Speaker 3>they got the thing you put your passport on and

0:25:40.530 --> 0:25:42.690
<v Speaker 3>it open? But when I go, it's a dude next

0:25:42.730 --> 0:25:45.169
<v Speaker 3>to me. So he got it. I'm putting my joint in.

0:25:45.190 --> 0:25:47.810
<v Speaker 3>He put his joint in a turd. Yeah. So I'm like, oh,

0:25:47.850 --> 0:25:49.710
<v Speaker 3>is that me? So I'm like, no, but it ain't.

0:25:50.050 --> 0:25:52.830
<v Speaker 3>So it's him. So the people come out, they come

0:25:52.869 --> 0:25:56.290
<v Speaker 3>with me. So I'm like, oh, shit. So I go

0:25:56.310 --> 0:25:57.149
<v Speaker 3>back again, put it there.

0:25:57.230 --> 0:25:58.040
<v Speaker 1>It's taking time, right?

0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:01.159
<v Speaker 3>It's taking time, right? It's taking time. So I'm like, oh, shit.

0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:04.120
<v Speaker 3>And then it turned green and it opened. I was like,

0:26:04.820 --> 0:26:06.760
<v Speaker 3>so I'm like, damn. Because listen, you got to think

0:26:06.780 --> 0:26:08.979
<v Speaker 3>about it. I've never been out, I'm by myself. So

0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:10.419
<v Speaker 3>I go and walk through the area. You know, you

0:26:10.460 --> 0:26:12.340
<v Speaker 3>got to go get to the Ubers, but they be like,

0:26:12.740 --> 0:26:14.740
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't wait to get into them cars. I'm like, yo,

0:26:14.760 --> 0:26:18.709
<v Speaker 3>this is decent. I'm a little scared because I'm not

0:26:18.790 --> 0:26:20.070
<v Speaker 3>used to the cars coming this way.

0:26:20.470 --> 0:26:20.690
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:26:20.830 --> 0:26:22.370
<v Speaker 3>So I'm in the window. I said, let me slide

0:26:22.410 --> 0:26:24.380
<v Speaker 3>away because this ain't weird because the car is coming

0:26:24.390 --> 0:26:27.000
<v Speaker 3>this way. So we go. I get there to the hotel.

0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:29.940
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, I ain't really believing this happened. So

0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:32.040
<v Speaker 3>I can remember a couple days I'm in London going

0:26:32.060 --> 0:26:34.899
<v Speaker 3>to Soho with Tuma, going to the U2 building. I'm

0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:38.369
<v Speaker 3>doing a bunch of stuff. Next thing you know, they're like, yeah, man,

0:26:38.550 --> 0:26:39.909
<v Speaker 3>the day comes. I'm like, I'm going to meet him.

0:26:40.810 --> 0:26:44.050
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't believe when I walked in that room, you know, tears,

0:26:44.090 --> 0:26:46.690
<v Speaker 3>just unbelievable tears came, just kept coming out of me

0:26:46.710 --> 0:26:48.889
<v Speaker 3>because I was like, yo, you've been the soundtrack to

0:26:48.910 --> 0:26:51.310
<v Speaker 3>me getting Dylan, my brother. It was just, it was

0:26:51.330 --> 0:26:52.790
<v Speaker 3>just a create. I put it on, I don't know

0:26:52.810 --> 0:26:54.010
<v Speaker 3>if you've seen it, it was on social media. It

0:26:54.030 --> 0:26:57.790
<v Speaker 3>was just like, it was so much for me because

0:26:57.810 --> 0:27:00.150
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I grew up at a time where

0:27:00.170 --> 0:27:04.149
<v Speaker 3>as though you never got to personally talk to the

0:27:04.210 --> 0:27:06.370
<v Speaker 3>artist you was a fan of. I never met Sade,

0:27:06.430 --> 0:27:08.989
<v Speaker 3>I never seen Anita Baker Prince. So, so it was

0:27:09.010 --> 0:27:10.729
<v Speaker 3>like this back in the day moment that I was

0:27:10.770 --> 0:27:13.350
<v Speaker 3>loving because it seemed like Everybody is so attainable. And

0:27:13.369 --> 0:27:15.450
<v Speaker 3>the thing that I like about him, he don't post

0:27:15.490 --> 0:27:18.889
<v Speaker 3>like that. You don't see him. You don't really like him.

0:27:19.750 --> 0:27:22.810
<v Speaker 3>We did an interview that I got. We never released this.

0:27:22.910 --> 0:27:25.909
<v Speaker 3>And that interview that day, it never was released. I

0:27:25.930 --> 0:27:26.490
<v Speaker 3>still got it.

0:27:26.530 --> 0:27:27.330
<v Speaker 1>You just talked to him?

0:27:27.930 --> 0:27:29.609
<v Speaker 3>I talked to a crowd, but we never released it.

0:27:29.630 --> 0:27:30.990
<v Speaker 3>I got the footage. We never released it.

0:27:30.990 --> 0:27:31.850
<v Speaker 1>Why are you holding it?

0:27:31.850 --> 0:27:32.949
<v Speaker 3>No, no, I'm going to put it out. I got

0:27:32.970 --> 0:27:35.129
<v Speaker 3>something I'm working on, but I'll put it. But me

0:27:35.150 --> 0:27:36.770
<v Speaker 3>and him, he told everybody to leave the room, and

0:27:36.810 --> 0:27:39.169
<v Speaker 3>me and him talked. And he said, like, he was

0:27:39.190 --> 0:27:41.930
<v Speaker 3>so messed up because he was like, I didn't know

0:27:42.150 --> 0:27:44.570
<v Speaker 3>my music would do this for somebody. And it was

0:27:44.609 --> 0:27:48.120
<v Speaker 3>like humbling to him. And I'm like, what? I'm telling

0:27:48.140 --> 0:27:50.060
<v Speaker 3>myself like, you don't know who to fuck you with.

0:27:50.160 --> 0:27:52.980
<v Speaker 3>Like he didn't, like I think hearing somebody talk to

0:27:53.020 --> 0:27:55.139
<v Speaker 3>you about, because this is personal. This is about my

0:27:55.180 --> 0:27:57.380
<v Speaker 3>brother dying. This is about my life, about me coming,

0:27:57.480 --> 0:28:00.189
<v Speaker 3>you know, my reentry back to society. This is different.

0:28:00.350 --> 0:28:02.429
<v Speaker 3>I think it's a different story for him. And the

0:28:02.450 --> 0:28:04.490
<v Speaker 3>main thing I wanted, I was like, I said, did

0:28:04.690 --> 0:28:06.950
<v Speaker 3>you know I was looking for you? He said, I

0:28:07.010 --> 0:28:10.320
<v Speaker 3>had about five people tell me. I said, yeah. He said,

0:28:10.340 --> 0:28:11.900
<v Speaker 3>I was on the train with this guy one time.

0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 3>I was like, that's the dude that used to see

0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:14.320
<v Speaker 3>you on the train. He used to tell me, I

0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:16.940
<v Speaker 3>see Sam on the train. So it was just like,

0:28:17.460 --> 0:28:20.340
<v Speaker 3>that album was like everything to where it's though. That's

0:28:20.380 --> 0:28:23.740
<v Speaker 3>like every playlist I have, Sanford's always number one on

0:28:23.770 --> 0:28:26.250
<v Speaker 3>my list, on my playlist, no matter what sound it is.

0:28:26.290 --> 0:28:29.770
<v Speaker 3>So that's like the album that's like everything.

0:28:30.150 --> 0:28:33.510
<v Speaker 2>The no's that are easy to give because of logic

0:28:34.170 --> 0:28:38.730
<v Speaker 2>is the no of my unavailability. And I have to say, like,

0:28:38.850 --> 0:28:44.320
<v Speaker 2>two of my biggest regrets in creativity. I first met him,

0:28:45.020 --> 0:28:49.340
<v Speaker 2>so there was one time in life, and really it

0:28:49.360 --> 0:28:52.340
<v Speaker 2>was only for a day and a half, where I

0:28:52.380 --> 0:28:55.950
<v Speaker 2>was the Raphael Sadiq role of Solange as a seat

0:28:55.990 --> 0:28:59.729
<v Speaker 2>at the table. She had asked me to, like, this

0:28:59.750 --> 0:29:02.790
<v Speaker 2>is a part of my life where, like, now that

0:29:02.830 --> 0:29:05.650
<v Speaker 2>D'Angelo's voodoo is, like, 20 years old, like, the ripple

0:29:05.690 --> 0:29:08.630
<v Speaker 2>effect is now, like, All right. Where you start getting

0:29:08.650 --> 0:29:10.930
<v Speaker 2>the calls of new artists that are like influenced by it.

0:29:10.990 --> 0:29:14.050
<v Speaker 2>Like that's their Stevie Wonder or whatever. And so we

0:29:14.190 --> 0:29:17.030
<v Speaker 2>literally only do one song with the song that opens

0:29:17.130 --> 0:29:17.610
<v Speaker 2>that album.

0:29:17.790 --> 0:29:20.330
<v Speaker 1>Falling your way. Yeah.

0:29:21.390 --> 0:29:24.230
<v Speaker 2>And to be in a room full of musicians I'd

0:29:24.250 --> 0:29:27.600
<v Speaker 2>never met before. And the odd thing about it was

0:29:27.630 --> 0:29:30.200
<v Speaker 2>that when we recorded, it was done in one of

0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:33.240
<v Speaker 2>those like hipster Brooklyn studios, but we weren't facing each

0:29:33.300 --> 0:29:36.060
<v Speaker 2>other as we were playing. Our backs were turned. And

0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:39.560
<v Speaker 2>so I never got to see Sampa's face. He was

0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:43.240
<v Speaker 2>a keyboard player on that song. And she's trying to

0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:46.200
<v Speaker 2>tell me on the low light, because she has that

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:52.150
<v Speaker 2>antenna where she knows who the next, and brings us together.

0:29:52.710 --> 0:29:56.270
<v Speaker 2>And I did my homework because of touring and all

0:29:56.310 --> 0:29:59.220
<v Speaker 2>that stuff. I couldn't finish the rest of the album. However,

0:29:59.560 --> 0:30:02.530
<v Speaker 2>like once I discovered like, whoa, I played with that dude,

0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:08.030
<v Speaker 2>then I became an instant fan. And twice he's asked

0:30:08.050 --> 0:30:10.670
<v Speaker 2>me to like play on his record, but I just

0:30:10.750 --> 0:30:13.969
<v Speaker 2>had like, that's like one of my main regrets of

0:30:15.050 --> 0:30:17.550
<v Speaker 2>that and Thundercat. Like two people that I should have

0:30:18.630 --> 0:30:21.590
<v Speaker 2>made time out to work with and I never got

0:30:21.610 --> 0:30:22.110
<v Speaker 2>to do so.

0:30:22.230 --> 0:30:25.510
<v Speaker 1>But especially for him, like I feel you with that.

0:30:26.050 --> 0:30:27.130
<v Speaker 1>All right. So I will ask you.

0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:33.740
<v Speaker 2>What is, and I'm talking about your childhood, memories from

0:30:33.860 --> 0:30:36.870
<v Speaker 2>one to ten or whatever, when you mark that time period,

0:30:37.670 --> 0:30:42.050
<v Speaker 2>what is the one cool kid item that you got

0:30:42.070 --> 0:30:42.990
<v Speaker 2>to experience.

0:30:42.610 --> 0:30:44.450
<v Speaker 1>Or have when you were a kid?

0:30:44.470 --> 0:30:48.620
<v Speaker 2>Like a happy memory or something that's fond and fuzzy

0:30:48.660 --> 0:30:48.960
<v Speaker 2>to you.

0:30:49.020 --> 0:30:53.300
<v Speaker 3>This is major. I remember, I never forgot, for like Christmas, right,

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 3>my brother got me a troop jacket. I went, I

0:30:58.480 --> 0:30:59.220
<v Speaker 3>lost my mind.

0:30:59.860 --> 0:31:00.380
<v Speaker 1>For Christmas?

0:31:00.460 --> 0:31:03.100
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah. This is what happened. What was so crazy

0:31:03.180 --> 0:31:06.239
<v Speaker 3>is that he didn't even wrap it that good. So

0:31:06.300 --> 0:31:08.870
<v Speaker 3>as I'm going to, I'm in Nanny's house. I see something.

0:31:08.880 --> 0:31:10.710
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, what the hell is that? And I see it.

0:31:10.710 --> 0:31:13.210
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, and I seen like it was like

0:31:13.270 --> 0:31:16.229
<v Speaker 3>a hole probably like this big. I'm like, that's a

0:31:16.290 --> 0:31:18.530
<v Speaker 3>troop jacket. That got to be for me because it's small.

0:31:18.550 --> 0:31:22.020
<v Speaker 3>Because I'm like the pack. I'm like, yo, listen, there's

0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:24.120
<v Speaker 3>no BS. I remember my mom told me one time.

0:31:24.600 --> 0:31:27.060
<v Speaker 3>She's like, boy, I know that jacket's stank. Take it off.

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:29.000
<v Speaker 3>I slept in it. I never took this jacket. I

0:31:29.020 --> 0:31:31.410
<v Speaker 3>wore that every day. And you know I got all

0:31:31.430 --> 0:31:33.530
<v Speaker 3>the different type of, it was different colors on it,

0:31:33.830 --> 0:31:36.790
<v Speaker 3>so it don't even match anything. But I wore that

0:31:36.930 --> 0:31:39.830
<v Speaker 3>jacket every day. I'm telling you, I wore it down

0:31:39.850 --> 0:31:42.730
<v Speaker 3>until it be like spraying like sun coming out. I

0:31:42.750 --> 0:31:46.880
<v Speaker 3>wore that jacket. Listen, man. I never took that jacket off.

0:31:46.900 --> 0:31:48.720
<v Speaker 3>He got me that. That was like, because he got

0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:50.500
<v Speaker 3>it for me. I was like, yo. And I had

0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:54.220
<v Speaker 3>these colorful Reeboks. I forget the name. And it didn't match.

0:31:54.340 --> 0:31:57.390
<v Speaker 3>Nothing matched. But I just wore that fit forever. Like,

0:31:57.430 --> 0:31:58.030
<v Speaker 3>it didn't matter.

0:31:58.310 --> 0:32:02.370
<v Speaker 1>There's this legendary dude from Philly. Okay, like, I'm born

0:32:02.410 --> 0:32:03.390
<v Speaker 1>in 71. Yes.

0:32:03.770 --> 0:32:07.750
<v Speaker 2>So by the time LL's Bigger Than Defer comes out,

0:32:07.830 --> 0:32:12.060
<v Speaker 2>it's 87. I'm 16. And of course, like, that second

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:15.880
<v Speaker 2>LL album came. like, was kind of the explosion of, like,

0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:20.240
<v Speaker 2>obtainable street wear, if you will, for those that couldn't

0:32:20.260 --> 0:32:24.140
<v Speaker 2>afford the dapper dance and, you know, that level of dress.

0:32:24.220 --> 0:32:25.120
<v Speaker 1>You could get you a troop.

0:32:25.420 --> 0:32:27.060
<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean?

0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:28.300
<v Speaker 1>Yes, you could. I mean, there was T.I.

0:32:28.340 --> 0:32:29.700
<v Speaker 3>There was a bunch of other stuff.

0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:33.220
<v Speaker 1>Hip-hop was inclusive. If Run-D.M.C. can get an Adidas, I

0:32:33.260 --> 0:32:34.000
<v Speaker 1>can get an Adidas.

0:32:34.300 --> 0:32:35.220
<v Speaker 3>Lee Cosportique.

0:32:35.320 --> 0:32:39.460
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, exactly. So there was this cat, though.

0:32:40.130 --> 0:32:42.550
<v Speaker 2>I lived in West Philly and my elementary school was

0:32:42.870 --> 0:32:46.990
<v Speaker 2>downtown in Philly on Broad Street. And so every day

0:32:47.710 --> 0:32:49.800
<v Speaker 2>this guy would get on and he would be dressed.

0:32:49.820 --> 0:32:52.360
<v Speaker 2>He only had three outfits and they were all troops.

0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:55.390
<v Speaker 2>And he would dress like LL Cool J.

0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:57.580
<v Speaker 3>That was major. He was major then.

0:32:57.880 --> 0:32:59.440
<v Speaker 1>You know this guy? I don't know him. I don't

0:32:59.480 --> 0:32:59.860
<v Speaker 1>know him.

0:33:00.140 --> 0:33:02.080
<v Speaker 3>But to do that is major.

0:33:02.380 --> 0:33:06.390
<v Speaker 1>The whole shit. But the thing is, you remember how

0:33:06.530 --> 0:33:07.410
<v Speaker 1>LL's dancing? Yeah.

0:33:08.200 --> 0:33:11.270
<v Speaker 3>And I'm bad video. He was doing that.

0:33:11.770 --> 0:33:13.530
<v Speaker 1>That's how he would approach you.

0:33:13.970 --> 0:33:17.710
<v Speaker 3>Like, you know me from the video. My head is

0:33:17.730 --> 0:33:19.970
<v Speaker 3>like a shot spear. Yo, yo, he was crazy. He

0:33:19.990 --> 0:33:20.540
<v Speaker 3>was crazy.

0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:20.920
<v Speaker 1>I love it.

0:33:20.920 --> 0:33:23.420
<v Speaker 3>But dude, it was like, it was 87. If I

0:33:23.500 --> 0:33:26.700
<v Speaker 3>didn't sell him, I'd be like, yo, he a legend.

0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:29.100
<v Speaker 1>It was like seeing a real, yeah.

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:29.760
<v Speaker 3>I'd be like, damn.

0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:30.940
<v Speaker 1>And he was deaf.

0:33:31.460 --> 0:33:34.560
<v Speaker 2>So the thing is, but the thing is like, you know,

0:33:34.580 --> 0:33:37.020
<v Speaker 2>like sometimes you'll, you'll see a person that like, if

0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:40.770
<v Speaker 2>you're on your routine walk and he would always, uh, usually, uh,

0:33:40.940 --> 0:33:41.580
<v Speaker 2>hearing impaired.

0:33:41.900 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:44.640
<v Speaker 2>They will have like these cards that teach you how

0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:47.000
<v Speaker 2>to do, to do. I've supported that guy. I believe

0:33:47.020 --> 0:33:50.700
<v Speaker 2>he's given him $ 30 over between seventh grade and ninth grade.

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:54.510
<v Speaker 3>That's a lot of money. Back then. A, B, C, D, E, F, G.

0:33:54.710 --> 0:33:56.130
<v Speaker 3>You loved him. He was a lot of money.

0:33:56.230 --> 0:33:58.500
<v Speaker 2>I think I still remember that you would buy a

0:33:58.500 --> 0:34:00.280
<v Speaker 2>pamphlet for him and you'd give him a dollar. And

0:34:00.300 --> 0:34:01.660
<v Speaker 2>that's how he'd come up. He'd just get on the

0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:05.100
<v Speaker 2>L and go through each thing. And Jesse's like a

0:34:05.140 --> 0:34:07.180
<v Speaker 2>jelly bean. And girls be like, oh, my God.

0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:09.989
<v Speaker 1>Like, but he only.

0:34:10.130 --> 0:34:10.910
<v Speaker 3>He was a legend.

0:34:11.850 --> 0:34:14.089
<v Speaker 1>Every day he wore a troop. But it was like

0:34:14.150 --> 0:34:15.950
<v Speaker 1>it was his job to be.

0:34:16.310 --> 0:34:19.850
<v Speaker 2>On that 716 AM train.

0:34:20.010 --> 0:34:21.140
<v Speaker 3>He made some money on that train.

0:34:22.300 --> 0:34:22.720
<v Speaker 1>Oh, God.

0:34:22.739 --> 0:34:25.000
<v Speaker 3>That was his route. That was his route because he

0:34:25.020 --> 0:34:28.780
<v Speaker 3>knew he was going to see you. You got to say,

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:30.560
<v Speaker 3>you giving him a dollar? Listen, $ 30, I mean, that

0:34:30.580 --> 0:34:32.219
<v Speaker 3>was a span of time you gave him that. You

0:34:32.260 --> 0:34:33.140
<v Speaker 3>ain't just giving him $ 30.

0:34:33.060 --> 0:34:35.570
<v Speaker 1>I've always had a soft spot for buskers.

0:34:36.450 --> 0:34:39.469
<v Speaker 2>Even now, I think it's because Billie Jean was my

0:34:39.510 --> 0:34:43.870
<v Speaker 2>favorite music video. And there's a moment, like everyone has their,

0:34:43.890 --> 0:34:47.950
<v Speaker 2>they want to emulate Michael Jackson moment. It's just that

0:34:48.050 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 2>my moment happens to be the moment in Billie Jean

0:34:50.620 --> 0:34:53.980
<v Speaker 2>where he tosses the quarter inside of the cup and

0:34:54.020 --> 0:34:56.779
<v Speaker 2>then it turns into white tuxedo and gloves.

0:34:57.400 --> 0:34:59.280
<v Speaker 1>That's my God.

0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:03.220
<v Speaker 2>Complex moment where, you know, the first time we got,

0:35:03.930 --> 0:35:07.130
<v Speaker 2>in advance, like I was that guy, like going around like,

0:35:07.630 --> 0:35:10.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, what the hell? You know, like that sort

0:35:10.360 --> 0:35:12.920
<v Speaker 2>of thing and be out. But I've always had a

0:35:12.980 --> 0:35:16.960
<v Speaker 2>soft spot for anyone, a street musician or a busker

0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:19.540
<v Speaker 2>or I was your perfect demographic for that.

0:35:31.070 --> 0:35:33.870
<v Speaker 3>You know who I was fascinated with? What? Who's the

0:35:33.910 --> 0:35:37.430
<v Speaker 3>dude that used to be on Soul Train? Louis.

0:35:38.070 --> 0:35:39.850
<v Speaker 1>Louis Carr. He was the greatest.

0:35:40.190 --> 0:35:42.969
<v Speaker 3>Listen, he was the greatest dude in the world to me.

0:35:43.230 --> 0:35:45.890
<v Speaker 3>He was the coolest dude. Listen, he'd do a dance move, right?

0:35:46.050 --> 0:35:48.730
<v Speaker 3>He'd be like this and he'd just dance. And just

0:35:48.770 --> 0:35:51.370
<v Speaker 3>come back. And he always was sharp. He always had

0:35:51.390 --> 0:35:51.890
<v Speaker 3>that gear on.

0:35:52.390 --> 0:35:53.730
<v Speaker 1>Greatest moment of my life.

0:35:53.810 --> 0:35:54.730
<v Speaker 3>Go ahead.

0:35:54.790 --> 0:35:57.509
<v Speaker 1>Okay, like this is now the second greatest moment of

0:35:57.530 --> 0:35:57.830
<v Speaker 1>my life.

0:36:00.210 --> 0:36:02.510
<v Speaker 2>No, the greatest moment of my life was a moment

0:36:02.530 --> 0:36:04.310
<v Speaker 2>Tariq and I just had last week.

0:36:05.250 --> 0:36:06.649
<v Speaker 1>Before I texted you about the book.

0:36:06.730 --> 0:36:07.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah.

0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:12.839
<v Speaker 2>You don't even know that what you really did was

0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:14.120
<v Speaker 2>you helped heal.

0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:16.580
<v Speaker 1>Tariq and I had a healing moment.

0:36:16.600 --> 0:36:16.900
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:36:17.340 --> 0:36:19.000
<v Speaker 1>After I read you, you said something, but that's a

0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:20.380
<v Speaker 1>whole nother episode.

0:36:20.900 --> 0:36:23.339
<v Speaker 2>But I will say, and that turned that moment and

0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:26.669
<v Speaker 2>that show into the greatest show that I've ever did.

0:36:26.730 --> 0:36:31.190
<v Speaker 2>But the second greatest one Was in 2006, we had

0:36:31.290 --> 0:36:33.549
<v Speaker 2>finally made what was then known.

0:36:33.489 --> 0:36:34.850
<v Speaker 1>As the Universal Amphitheater.

0:36:34.870 --> 0:36:38.190
<v Speaker 2>It was like the last days of that particular destination

0:36:38.250 --> 0:36:40.910
<v Speaker 2>point as a concert. So, like, we kind of feel

0:36:40.930 --> 0:36:46.380
<v Speaker 2>like we made it. Not exactly the form or Staples Center, but, like, worthy.

0:36:47.340 --> 0:36:52.120
<v Speaker 2>I had invited him because Dice's mentor, Kilo.

0:36:52.489 --> 0:36:52.680
<v Speaker 3>Mm-hmm.

0:36:53.550 --> 0:36:57.590
<v Speaker 1>Kilo, before he really.

0:36:57.370 --> 0:36:59.629
<v Speaker 2>Started getting deep into the Roots world, like he did

0:36:59.650 --> 0:37:00.840
<v Speaker 2>clones and all that stuff.

0:37:00.860 --> 0:37:02.060
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:37:02.100 --> 0:37:05.239
<v Speaker 2>His claim to fame was that Bel Bedeveau had liked

0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:08.440
<v Speaker 2>his beat tape and picked him to work with him

0:37:09.200 --> 0:37:13.239
<v Speaker 2>in Los Angeles. So he's like in Camp Bel Bedeveau

0:37:13.300 --> 0:37:16.410
<v Speaker 2>inside their mansion and all that stuff. And like, because

0:37:16.430 --> 0:37:18.090
<v Speaker 2>they've been on Soul Train so many times.

0:37:18.230 --> 0:37:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Legends. Louis Carr- was always with him. Louis Carr was

0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 1>just like before YouTube.

0:37:24.060 --> 0:37:25.660
<v Speaker 3>Before- He was that guy.

0:37:25.930 --> 0:37:28.810
<v Speaker 2>Every week, if you wanted your fix of how you

0:37:28.870 --> 0:37:31.810
<v Speaker 2>think Michael Jackson would dance, and literally, he wouldn't dance.

0:37:31.850 --> 0:37:33.170
<v Speaker 3>He would just- He'd be cool.

0:37:33.390 --> 0:37:40.470
<v Speaker 2>He is the seed that basically planted Diddy. Like someone

0:37:40.510 --> 0:37:42.360
<v Speaker 2>that sells charisma.

0:37:42.489 --> 0:37:45.540
<v Speaker 3>He also gave me the version of, A younger Billy

0:37:45.580 --> 0:37:47.890
<v Speaker 3>Dee Williams mixed with a dude that got happy feet.

0:37:48.090 --> 0:37:49.109
<v Speaker 3>Because he had happy feet.

0:37:49.150 --> 0:37:51.390
<v Speaker 1>You know how to do it. Yeah, but he exuded confidence.

0:37:51.430 --> 0:37:52.069
<v Speaker 3>He was that guy.

0:37:52.110 --> 0:37:54.029
<v Speaker 1>And there's a reason why we were drawn to that.

0:37:54.430 --> 0:37:54.930
<v Speaker 1>Every episode.

0:37:54.950 --> 0:37:59.009
<v Speaker 2>Because we never got to see... It seems silly. Like,

0:37:59.050 --> 0:38:01.110
<v Speaker 2>just Google Louis Carr Soul Train.

0:38:01.810 --> 0:38:02.430
<v Speaker 1>I need that name.

0:38:02.750 --> 0:38:03.839
<v Speaker 3>Shit, I need that name.

0:38:04.140 --> 0:38:06.980
<v Speaker 1>But, yeah, Louis Carr. And his name is Ski.

0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:07.980
<v Speaker 3>Lou Ski.

0:38:08.140 --> 0:38:11.780
<v Speaker 1>Lou Ski Carr. C-A-R-R. Lou Ski Carl.

0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:20.400
<v Speaker 2>And... There's just a period between 1981 and like 1990

0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:23.660
<v Speaker 2>that he was just our weekly fix on Soul Train.

0:38:23.900 --> 0:38:24.600
<v Speaker 3>I got to check him out.

0:38:24.620 --> 0:38:26.279
<v Speaker 2>For just how to be the man, like how to

0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:27.390
<v Speaker 2>pose and mean it.

0:38:27.460 --> 0:38:27.740
<v Speaker 3>Yes.

0:38:28.420 --> 0:38:33.380
<v Speaker 2>You don't understand Soul Train is, you know, like people

0:38:33.500 --> 0:38:36.540
<v Speaker 2>will be like, yo, when I come up, I'm going

0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:37.140
<v Speaker 2>on Soul Train.

0:38:38.180 --> 0:38:38.650
<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, no.

0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:41.100
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about just regular like, yo, I'm going to

0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:41.920
<v Speaker 2>get this mansion.

0:38:41.940 --> 0:38:43.719
<v Speaker 1>Yo, I'm going to get this car. I'm going to

0:38:43.739 --> 0:38:44.540
<v Speaker 1>get this girl.

0:38:45.120 --> 0:38:49.569
<v Speaker 2>If you were to ask me in 1996, 97, like

0:38:51.370 --> 0:38:53.649
<v Speaker 2>what is it that you want most on this earth?

0:38:54.330 --> 0:38:58.830
<v Speaker 2>Without no doubt, my idea of heaven is like if

0:38:59.070 --> 0:38:59.950
<v Speaker 2>I can own.

0:39:00.310 --> 0:39:02.529
<v Speaker 1>All 1,137 episodes of Soul Train.

0:39:05.750 --> 0:39:08.230
<v Speaker 3>Anybody got that, you're a legend if you got that.

0:39:08.770 --> 0:39:12.310
<v Speaker 2>The way that I would dream, like I will, every

0:39:12.390 --> 0:39:14.900
<v Speaker 2>memory of my life, the reason why Soul Train, I

0:39:14.940 --> 0:39:18.140
<v Speaker 2>was raised in a, you're not allowed to watch television,

0:39:18.219 --> 0:39:20.040
<v Speaker 2>read a book, listen to a record.

0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:22.080
<v Speaker 1>I was raised by those parents.

0:39:22.860 --> 0:39:26.600
<v Speaker 2>If it was music education, they would allow me to

0:39:26.660 --> 0:39:29.060
<v Speaker 2>watch it. And here's the thing, though, which you might

0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:32.390
<v Speaker 2>don't know. Now, when you talk about Soul Train, Soul

0:39:32.410 --> 0:39:36.160
<v Speaker 2>Train is normally a 12 in the afternoon activity. Clean

0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:39.780
<v Speaker 2>the house. Soul Train is on. Now, there's a period

0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:41.540
<v Speaker 2>between 1975 and 1982 where the powers that be at

0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:48.120
<v Speaker 2>Channel 48 then turn to channel 29, then turn to

0:39:48.140 --> 0:39:52.000
<v Speaker 2>channel 57, and then 17, and then back to 57.

0:39:52.000 --> 0:39:55.180
<v Speaker 2>Where syndicate, local syndicated. Like you just had to be there, kids.

0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:56.950
<v Speaker 2>Ask your parents about local syndicated.

0:39:56.969 --> 0:39:58.570
<v Speaker 1>Local cable, yeah, local. Right.

0:39:59.570 --> 0:40:04.109
<v Speaker 2>And it will really just depend on the cultural sensitivity

0:40:04.390 --> 0:40:08.629
<v Speaker 2>at whoever is running that station. And if they decide,

0:40:09.390 --> 0:40:11.969
<v Speaker 2>Soul Train, put that on at 1 a.m. on Saturday,

0:40:12.650 --> 0:40:18.310
<v Speaker 2>from 1975- to 1982, my parents and I had an agreement.

0:40:19.290 --> 0:40:25.430
<v Speaker 2>By 8.30, I better be in bed. Shower, bed, 8.30. However,

0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:29.040
<v Speaker 2>when the second song comes on Saturday Night Live at

0:40:29.060 --> 0:40:34.520
<v Speaker 2>around 12.40, we'll wake you up. And then by one

0:40:34.540 --> 0:40:40.530
<v Speaker 2>in the morning in West Philly in a dark ass

0:40:40.570 --> 0:40:46.940
<v Speaker 2>house under a crocheted blanket, peeking through the eyes, I'm

0:40:47.000 --> 0:40:51.540
<v Speaker 2>allowed to watch a gray dancing train yell at me

0:40:51.660 --> 0:40:52.560
<v Speaker 2>from outer space.

0:40:53.540 --> 0:40:54.020
<v Speaker 1>I'm five.

0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:58.620
<v Speaker 2>So it's a little scary hearing Joe Cobb saying, like, it's, it's,

0:40:58.820 --> 0:41:00.990
<v Speaker 2>it's scary, but it's also like, we like being scared.

0:41:01.570 --> 0:41:04.830
<v Speaker 2>That burst of adrenaline, I just fed off.

0:41:04.690 --> 0:41:07.350
<v Speaker 1>Of week after week after week after week after week.

0:41:07.370 --> 0:41:09.189
<v Speaker 2>So the way that I would just dream of, like,

0:41:10.280 --> 0:41:14.049
<v Speaker 2>And my level, okay, oh God, I'm having my Thundercat

0:41:14.070 --> 0:41:18.410
<v Speaker 2>moment with anime when I describe like what it means

0:41:18.450 --> 0:41:22.770
<v Speaker 2>to me. And so that's my North Star. And I

0:41:22.870 --> 0:41:27.109
<v Speaker 2>think I got music education to start a group with

0:41:27.150 --> 0:41:30.009
<v Speaker 2>my best friend in high school so that I can

0:41:30.090 --> 0:41:33.130
<v Speaker 2>maybe get famous, so I can figure out a way

0:41:33.930 --> 0:41:35.510
<v Speaker 2>how to get to Soul Train episodes.

0:41:36.010 --> 0:41:37.450
<v Speaker 1>Like that's my level of Soul Trains.

0:41:38.230 --> 0:41:40.969
<v Speaker 2>I know all the light combinations of this particular thing,

0:41:40.989 --> 0:41:43.710
<v Speaker 2>like the way that, you know, like dunk combinations with Nike,

0:41:43.750 --> 0:41:48.410
<v Speaker 2>like that's my synesthesia, my everything. And so, yeah, like

0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:53.420
<v Speaker 2>Soul Train is my North Star. So one night in

0:41:53.420 --> 0:41:58.140
<v Speaker 2>2006 at the amphitheater, at the end, Lewski came out

0:41:58.180 --> 0:41:59.920
<v Speaker 2>from nowhere, from the wings doing.

0:41:59.739 --> 0:42:05.260
<v Speaker 1>His like, his dancing shit. Legend. I just, I lost

0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:06.700
<v Speaker 1>it like I was seeing Michael Jackson.

0:42:07.070 --> 0:42:08.510
<v Speaker 3>If you only could watch one episode.

0:42:08.989 --> 0:42:09.870
<v Speaker 1>Motherfucker, yo.

0:42:09.930 --> 0:42:12.770
<v Speaker 3>I got to. I'm asking, like, you got to pick

0:42:12.830 --> 0:42:13.430
<v Speaker 3>one episode.

0:42:15.730 --> 0:42:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Come on. There's two greatest episodes of all time.

0:42:19.700 --> 0:42:21.719
<v Speaker 3>There's two. That's cheap.

0:42:21.739 --> 0:42:23.060
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so this is what people don't know.

0:42:23.520 --> 0:42:27.160
<v Speaker 2>Most people will acknowledge, based on the movie, that the

0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:30.060
<v Speaker 2>tipping point of Michael Jackson's career is the night of

0:42:30.100 --> 0:42:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Motown 25 in 1983, where he unleashes the moonwalk and

0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:37.040
<v Speaker 2>thus enables Thriller to start selling a million a week

0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:38.100
<v Speaker 2>for like 28 weeks.

0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:38.319
<v Speaker 1>In a row.

0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:41.580
<v Speaker 2>That's the viral moment that all of America was watching

0:42:41.640 --> 0:42:46.360
<v Speaker 2>that caused Thriller to get Michael Jackson to that point. However,

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<v Speaker 2>10 years before that in 1973 is where he kind

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<v Speaker 2>of had a moment, like you've seen magazines where they

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<v Speaker 2>do the whole thing like stars are just like us.

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<v Speaker 2>Before the gift of the Jackson 5 really was the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that they looked You know how Jill Scott looks

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<v Speaker 2>like her audience and that's why they gravitate towards? The

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson 5 were primed to look like their audience, what

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<v Speaker 2>America's kids were looking like. And the moment Michael unleashes

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<v Speaker 2>the robot in 1973 on Dancing Machine, which had been

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<v Speaker 2>displayed on the show since 1971, but it's the first

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<v Speaker 2>time that a star celebrity didn't have to do the

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<v Speaker 2>four tops dance or the temptation stuff. It's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you dance like I do. And that was the first

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<v Speaker 2>connection of Michael Jackson. Like, oh, not only does he

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<v Speaker 2>sing with his brothers, but when he moves, that's even

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<v Speaker 2>more important. And like, that's the moment that Michael Jackson,

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<v Speaker 2>where like the power of dance and I might be

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<v Speaker 2>a better dancer than you are. And when you got

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<v Speaker 2>to watch him dance like that episode. He had a

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<v Speaker 2>Motown 25 moment 10 years before Motown 25. On the real,

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<v Speaker 2>what sustained the Jackson 5 was just that period of

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<v Speaker 2>Dancing Machine, being on the Carol Burnett Show, American Bandstand,

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<v Speaker 2>all these shows in the 70s, and him doing the robot.

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<v Speaker 2>You know him for like five seconds that he's doing

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<v Speaker 2>something that you can never do in your lifetime.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reason why it was magnetic is because we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have VCRs or tapes back then. So you, when

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<v Speaker 2>the Jacksons were on between their inception and say maybe

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<v Speaker 2>1983 Dormotown 25.

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<v Speaker 1>When you seen it, you studied it and that was it.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why the Ushers or the Ciscos, like there

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<v Speaker 2>was a period where like, because they're the generation of

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<v Speaker 2>the remote control, they were allowed to watch that At

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<v Speaker 2>five and keep rewinding and studying the precision of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like the timing of Michael Jackson to me

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<v Speaker 2>is even more fascinating than that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, my God.

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<v Speaker 2>You brought me down a rabbit hole that I.

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<v Speaker 1>Did not expect. Well, thanks, man. No problem. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>Wowo267.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, did I even introduce him at the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the show or did we go right into it?

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<v Speaker 3>You didn't need to.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, brother.

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<v Speaker 3>It don't even matter. Go out there and get the book.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, please.

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<v Speaker 3>I signed your copy. Yes, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Go get it. I needed this.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate you, man.

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<v Speaker 1>And I receive it. Thank you, y'all.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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