1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the best of Coast to Coast 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: podcast and become a Coast and Cider to hear the 3 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: rest of this fascinating conversation and check out recent shows 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: featuring guests sharing stories about growing up in a haunted 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: house that was possessed by an evil presence, a nightmarish 6 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: encounter with a UFO in the dead of night, and 7 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: the financial horror stories from those who won the lottery 8 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: and lived to regret it. 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We don't have anything official, really, but I 19 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: believe that it's important to keep our ancestral dead close 20 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: to us and in our culture, we don't have as 21 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: many ways or customs for doing that as in some 22 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: other cultures, and Christmas provides a time for us to 23 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: remember the dead. We can have decorations on a tree 24 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: for them in their name. If we have a personal 25 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: space in our home for an altar, we can add 26 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: some evergreen boughs to it with a photograph, do some prayers, 27 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: and give thanks for what we shared with someone who 28 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: has passed on. Christmas is a time of remembrance and 29 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: gift giving, and we can give in the name of 30 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: someone who has passed on as well as a way 31 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: of keeping their legacy and their memory alive. So I 32 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: think it's important to give a special place for our 33 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: loved ones who've passed on at a time when we're 34 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: having celebrations and looking forward to the new year, and 35 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: also remembering the year that we've had. Let's talk about 36 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: miracles for a second, Rosemary, And in your opinion, what 37 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: really creates the miracle? What? What? What puts it in 38 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: that category? Well, a miracle is something that has technically 39 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 1: has no natural explanation. Uh. And in our Western tradition, 40 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: a miracle is assigned from God. It's part of God's provenance. UH. 41 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: And the covenant that we have with God, that God 42 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: looks over us and demonstrates occasionally miracles as a way 43 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: of reminding us of that. And in the Eastern view, 44 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: miracles are part of the natural order that when you 45 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: align yourself in the right way with the cosmic forces 46 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: of harmony and balance and unconditional love, then miraculous things 47 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: can happen. And we can certainly say that about the 48 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: Western outlook as well. Miracles can change the course of 49 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: someone's life. They can be an unexpected event that alters 50 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: things significantly. They can be a sudden infusion of awareness 51 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: or knowing that someone has about something they must do 52 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: in their lives. They can be a burst of inspiration 53 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: or illumination that also changes life in a very dramatic way. 54 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: So miracles come in all sizes. There are little miracles 55 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: for people, big miracles. A lot of it's one's perspective. 56 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: But the more we're open to that that the universe 57 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: can reorganize itself in dramatic ways for an individual as 58 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: well as for the collective, then we place ourselves in 59 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: a play. We place ourselves in a situation where we 60 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: can be open to dramatic reorganizing of the forces of life. 61 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: Why does it seem that prayer works well. Prayer does 62 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: work most definitely. I've done a couple of books on 63 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: the power of prayer. Prayer is a uniting of our 64 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: consciousness with something transcendent, and when we pray, we're usually 65 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: asking for help or guidance or comfort from a divine 66 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 1: force that we perceive greater than we and which has 67 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 1: the capability of helping us reorganize things on the earthly plane. 68 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: So it opens us up to potential, and I think 69 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: that's one of the important things of prayer. It certainly 70 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: links us to our ideas of the Godhead and all 71 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: the qualities that we associate with a godhead. So we're 72 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: lifting ourselves up to a much higher level of consciousness. 73 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: And it's the opening to potentiality that is so important, 74 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: because many times when we pray, we're asking for something 75 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: to happen, something that we need in our lives a shift, 76 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: and prayer enables us to be in the flow of 77 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: that potential and even to be part of our own solution. 78 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: I think that's important as well. It probably is. Let's 79 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: go back to that story where that person was in 80 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: the bar and she sees this guy sitting at the 81 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: bar with a glass of beer that he's not touching. 82 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: This is a case of mysterious an angel being a 83 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: mysterious stranger. And this young woman was probably at a 84 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,239 Speaker 1: point in her life where she needed a turn around 85 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: and she really knew it in her heart, and so 86 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: there she isn't in a bar kind of continuing her 87 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: problem because she was having a problem with alcohol and drugs. 88 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: And when she goes up to the bar to buy 89 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: a round of drinks, she notices this man sitting there. 90 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: And what's unusual about him, George, is that he's a 91 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: black man and she's in a bar where everybody else 92 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: is white, so he really stands out. He's going to 93 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: be noticed, and it's like he's suddenly there now. While 94 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: she's waiting for her drinks, he starts talking to her 95 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: in a very kind, gentle way, and he knows her name, 96 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: he knows about her life, her head, what's happened to her, 97 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: And she enters into this conversation with him where he 98 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: tells her she doesn't have to follow this path. She's 99 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: better than that. She can do more for herself. She 100 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: has so much more potential, and it really draws her 101 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: in well. She goes back to the table with her 102 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: friends to tell them about this amazing conversation she had. 103 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: She forgets to take the drinks with her and she 104 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 1: turns around to point to him at the bar, and 105 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: suddenly he's not there. There is no man sitting there. 106 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: There's only a glass of beer, and her friends are saying, 107 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: what man. We didn't see any man sitting at the bar. 108 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: Nobody came in, she believed. But she was so struck 109 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: by the conversation that she had with him. It lit 110 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: a spark in her. She was ready for change, and 111 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: she believes that she had an angelic intervention to help 112 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: her light the fire from that spark, because she turned 113 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: her life around after that. She got free of alcohol 114 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: and drugs, she started pursuing a higher education so she 115 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: could get a better job. And at the time she 116 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: told this story to me, she was married and living 117 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: a very happy life, and she credits an angel with 118 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: being her turnaround. Is there a distinction between something like that, 119 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: which was obviously some kind of angelic intervention, and a 120 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: spirit or a ghost, good ghost that would show up 121 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: and do the same thing. Because I've had stories where 122 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: some guy called me years ago on my local station 123 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: when I was the Nighthawk, and he was telling me 124 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: about how he was contemplating killing himself. And he said, George, 125 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: I'm okay now, but I want to tell you the story. 126 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: And I decided I wanted to do myself in in 127 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: a peaceful, serene place. So he got in his car 128 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: and just drove for about an hour, and he spotted 129 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: a little tiny pond on the side of the highway, 130 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: ducks her hitting it and flying out of it, and 131 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: he said, that's where I wanted to kill myself. So 132 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: he went there, pulled over, walked up. There was a 133 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: bench there. He sat down. He had his gun in 134 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: his pocket, and he said, this whole farmer comes down 135 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: and sits right next to him and won't stop talking. 136 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: And he talked to me for an hour. But I 137 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: gotta tell you, George. After I was done talking to 138 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: this guy, I felt great. I felt good about myself. 139 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: I decided I'm going to go back to where I lived, 140 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: get a new job, get a new relationship. Those who 141 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: are two big stumbling points in my life. I don't 142 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 1: think you should kill yourself over that. But he was depressed, 143 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: but he came back and he changed everything, and he 144 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: loved it. He said. About a year later, he decided 145 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: to go back to that area and thank the old farmer. 146 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: Didn't get his last name, but he figured there's got 147 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: to be a little barber shop here. He's probably, you know, 148 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: one of a hundred guys that come in. So he 149 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: goes to the barber and he said, excuse me, sir, 150 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: but I wonder if you could help me. I'm looking 151 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: for a guy, and he described him, and the guy said, 152 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: hold on you, you want to go to the top 153 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: of the hill. There's a white house there. Talk to 154 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: his daughter. She's in there. He said, George, the way 155 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: the barber had told me that, I kind of figured 156 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: something had happened. And but you know, I went to 157 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: the house. I knocked on the door or a young 158 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 1: lady came and I said, excuse me, but I just 159 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: you know, a year ago, your father, I believe saved 160 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: my life and I wanted to thank him. And she said, well, 161 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: slow down, you're the fifth person to come up to 162 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: me over the years. Dad died fifteen years ago, I mean, 163 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: and when I heard that story, it just gave me goosebumps. 164 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: The question is he wasn't an angel. But what was he? Well, 165 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: there are some different explanations that might apply here, and 166 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: one is that people can be angel like in their 167 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: their ministrations to others. But we have here someone who's 168 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: passed on. So could an angel, This would be my 169 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: take on it. Could an angel be taking the form 170 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: of this man. And maybe even there's a collaboration on 171 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: the other side there involving this as a way of 172 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: approaching people at a time of need. When the mysterious 173 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: stranger shows up, it can it can be any form. 174 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: I've had cases where they've been children, even where the 175 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: mysterious stranger has been an animal that's come to the rescue. 176 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: But were they children who died, animals that passed on, 177 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: or are the angels that take the shape and form. 178 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: I believe that angels take on whatever form is appropriate 179 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: for the individual, and you have to consider that. You know, 180 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: if you're in a crisis situation and some brilliant pillar 181 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: of light comes screaming down from the heavens, that's going 182 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: to be more upsetting to you than being approached by 183 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: something you're more familiar with. Now, I've not heard of 184 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: a story of a dead person, you know, a dead 185 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: person being a mysterious stranger rescuer before it's it's it's 186 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: a great story just on the theme. It is a 187 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: great story, but it does underscore that angels can take 188 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 1: whatever form is necessary to get the job done. And 189 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: in cases where people go back and they try and 190 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: say thank you, like this fellow did, then one of 191 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: the shockers is finding out that the person he thought 192 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: was living has passed on, and that also has a 193 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,719 Speaker 1: lesson for people because that hammers home divine interventions in 194 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 1: a very powerful way. Listen to more Coast to Coast 195 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: AM every weeknight at one am Eastern and go to 196 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast am dot com for more