WEBVTT - The OTP: Recapping the 2020 Scouting Combine 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:13.640 We welcome you to the Official Titans podcast, better known 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:15.880 as the ot Beat. My neighbor is Mike Heath, Joined 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:19.200 as usual by Amy Well mate, how are you? Oh 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:22.240 so good? How are you great? Thank you? Joined by 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:27.040 Titans Radios Draft Duo Coach Dave mcginnison, Rehet Brian. Welcome, gentlemen, 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:31.440 Thanks Mike, Coach Mac. More than any of the rest 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:33.159 of us, you were the one that had to survive. 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:35.880 The tornado went right over the top of me. I mean, 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:38.479 if people are asking me how how it is, I mean, 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:41.360 that's about the third one I've survived. Uh, you know, 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:43.919 at very day. This one was this one was the closest. 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:46.280 It was sounded like somebody was landing a seven forty 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.360 seven on top of my house. You know, I was. 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:50.440 I'm in East Nashville. It was destroyed. You know, I'm 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:52.720 right in that path. I'm about two blocks from Lachland 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:55.600 Table and it was just completely destroyed. I mean, I've 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:57.760 still got no I've got no power. Our neighborhood won't 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:00.320 have power for a long time. I mean there are rucks. 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:02.840 I mean there's trucks, police, there's it's going to be. 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:07.080 It was devastating. I mean it when you are around 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:10.319 that stuff and it hits you close, the power that 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:13.080 those things and how quick it comes. I had about 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:15.839 twenty seconds to find an inside wall, you know, before 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:19.319 it before it hit. And then, uh, it was devastating. 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:21.080 Now I've got there's a church right across the street 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:23.760 from me that's completely blown away. And you know, my 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:26.760 structure is still standing. I got things on my truck door. 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:29.319 That's it. I mean, I can. I can live without 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:31.720 power for a while. You don't really realize how much 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:35.560 you like electricity. I didn't say appreciate, I say like electricity, 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:38.840 So you don't have it. Obviously, have a lot of 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.560 people to think of and to keep in mind. A 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:45.760 loss of life, um, loss of structure, loss of you know, 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:49.400 convenience in terms. I mean, it hits on so many 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:53.200 different levels, and there's some that are considerably more serious 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:59.320 than others. Being inconvenienced is one thing, but uh, losing 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:02.120 people you love of and I mean, it's just awful. 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.640 Not only do we have to keep in mind Davidson County, 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.400 in Wilson County, but our friends in Putnam County and 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:13.040 vastating the great people of the area of Cookeville, Tennessee 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:16.160 and our friend Larry Stone who owns Stonecom Radio, their 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:22.040 Titans Radio's godfather himself. And as you're as you're out 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:25.919 doing things, as you're giving money, as you're donating your time, 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:31.360 as you're donating your resources, don't forget people outside of 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.680 the immediate Nashville area. You want to help everybody in Nashville, 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:38.519 But my goodness, I mean, the Cookville thing is horrendous. 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:42.920 It's the deadliest tornado in you in Tennessee history, and 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.720 they've been keeping records of that for over sixty years now. 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:50.120 It's an e F three maybe EF four there. The 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:54.160 Weather Service is doing other surveys of this thing, and 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:58.720 the damage path is devastating, I mean, absolutely unbelievable. Well, 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:01.320 the reason we're mentioning it on OTPs, we know there 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:04.000 are a lot of people who subscribe to the Official 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:07.520 Titans podcast who are outside the area who want to 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:11.839 help people. There are people outside the country who want 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:15.600 to help people. So as you see different ways to help, 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.280 and they will continue to come out. Again, keep the 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:22.240 people in Nashville in mind, but keep those outside of 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:25.680 Nashville in mind too when you when you have a 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:30.040 desire to help, because so much of the national publicity 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:32.760 is going to be about Nashville. It's a Middle Tennessee thing, 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:35.440 not Anae. And it's a it's certainly a big thing 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:38.200 in Cookeville too, and we want to remind you of that. Absolutely. 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:42.440 We are here to recap the combine and talk about 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.000 what we saw. Dave McGinnis and Rhet Brian did the 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:47.720 whole thing. Amy Wells and I just basically took a pass. 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:50.280 We showed up. I mean, we were there and we 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:54.160 were engaging with We bought the T shirt. Yeah, we 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.680 bought a T shirt like eight a hot dog. But like, 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.440 we didn't stick around to the fourth quarter. Can I 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:01.560 stop both of you right now? Sure, I was with 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:03.040 you for the first three days when you were there, 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:06.800 you guys were outstanding. Well, you got some tremendous guests, uh, 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:08.840 you know there for the for the OTP, I mean 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:12.520 really good stuff. You guys did yeoman's work doing that. 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:16.720 I mean, I and so we try hard. I know 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:21.440 you didn't we go when we go, We we try hard. 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:23.360 You got a legitimate guest and did a nice Yoah, 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:25.159 we did an OTP from up there that I thought 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:27.279 it was fine. It was very good. Very well received. 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:29.359 Thank you for all the nice comments out there about that. 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:32.440 It was very fun. All right. So at the combine 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:35.479 you see everybody amy everybody. Who was the person you 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:37.560 were most excited to see? Well, the person I was 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:40.560 most excited I'm gonna say talk to because I looked 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:43.719 at him too, was Daniel Jeremiah. Yeah. He is always 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:45.960 such a fun guy to talk to you because he's 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:50.039 so knowledgeable and he explains things in a way that 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:52.799 you don't feel like you're completely out of the loop. 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:55.000 I mean, he talks about these guys like their friends 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:58.240 that he has been following for years, and he's so knowledgeable, 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:00.560 and he's so gracious to talk with us every year, 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:04.320 and it was really really good to get his insight. Right. 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:07.240 This was only your second combine, correct, So you get 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:09.920 to see everybody there. Who were you excited to run into? Now? 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:14.240 Were we talking players or because the person I wanted 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:16.240 to see who did not work out, but we'll do 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.960 so at his LSU pro day on April third is 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:23.920 Claivan Chase Hunt, the pass rusher. Uh. We just wanted 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:27.039 to see this dude. I wanted to see him up close. Uh, 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:29.360 he has a neck as long as a giraffe. He's 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:31.720 like Merton Hanks at the forty nine Wow. But he's 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:35.039 a He's a big, sculpted, tall dude. That is going 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:38.320 to be one of the conversations the closer we get 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:40.360 to the draft, and as we are here right now, 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.800 it's fifty days out. But he did not work He 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:45.320 did not work out. He's gonna do it at his 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:47.840 pro day. But I wanted to go to his podium 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:50.600 feed because just to see what kind of dude he is. 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:54.040 Loved his confidence. He said, do you want to hire 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:57.919 a guy that speaks one language or as multi lingual? 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:01.599 I speak three languages. I can rush the passer, I 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.280 could drop back in coverage and cover most anybody, and 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:06.680 I can defend the run. Those are the three languages. 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.520 I'm I'm the best pass rusher in this draft. Those 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:11.839 are the three languages. Yep, I'm sold. I mean I 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.640 thought you were going to say, like German, whatever I mean, 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:17.880 I'm I would be happy. He didn't study abroad in Lichtensteiner. 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.560 And all I care about is can can you hit 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.599 the quarterback? And he says, I can pass rush, I 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.240 can drop in coverage, I can defend the ruin I'm like, 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.640 that's the three tools that I want. Language, and I 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.839 just I'm fascinated by this guy because I think when 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.800 you put him in a pass rusher situation and line 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.200 him up in one position and he can play multiple 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:41.039 he's going to excel and do it well. I am 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:46.080 fluid in those languages. Coachmack, you know everybody, So how 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:48.440 in the world could you say who you were excited 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:51.080 to see? Well, I know everybody, and I saw everybody 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:53.120 because I you know, I sat in the in Lucas 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:56.520 Oil from four o'clock until eleven o'clock Thursday, Friday and 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:59.640 Saturday night and then from two to to six on Sunday, 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:02.120 so had a chance to see everybody and in the hallways. 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.480 And we've already said on ro OTP I was very 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:07.160 excited to meet all of the security dogs, because I did. 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:09.920 I met every one of them up there. And then 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.320 I've had several people get ahold of do they would 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:17.360 not let Peter King at the security dog. Here's he 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:20.000 wrote about it in his column from the condo. And 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:22.440 I've I've heard about that because people have heard our thing. 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:24.600 Let me tell you what the last day when I 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:27.280 was I was walking through the interview place that they 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:30.480 were tearing it down, and one of the security guards 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:32.120 was standing at the at the end of it. You know, 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:34.280 those were big rooms. It was at the very end, 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:36.720 and he was standing there with my friend Bingo, and 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.680 I just whistled it. I whistled at being going. He 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:41.680 hooked being going. Beg King run sprinting across the whole 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:44.880 floors to see me. So and Bingo, beautiful Black Lab 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:47.680 had her own credential hanging around her neck. Yeah, so 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:50.040 tell Peter King he needs to be coach Mack before 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:51.680 he gets in with the guard dogs. This is why 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:55.640 coach Mack. I'm calling him the mo, the mayor of everywhere, 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:58.200 the mayor of everywhere. Player wise, the guy that I 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:00.600 really really wanted to wanted to see. If we're talking 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:03.600 about player wise, I was really really interested to see 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:06.760 Tristan Worth's because this guy, to me is probably one 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:10.200 of the is oh tackle IOWA. Yeah, but he'll be 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:12.880 more than that. Look he's he reminds me. I drafted 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:15.680 Leonard Davis number one out of Texas when big was 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:17.800 coming out out of Texas, and we played him at tackle. 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:20.200 But I said, once somebody moves him into guard, he 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:24.000 will be a perennial pro bowler, which he was. This guy, 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.880 this guy could play either or and if somebody has 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:29.400 the has the wherewithal and the ability on their offensive 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:33.520 line to play him at guard, he will be devastating, devastating. Now, 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:36.920 rhet which positions were better than you thought they were 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:41.040 going to be. I've been sold on anterior defensive linemen 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:44.360 as just I like big guys that just you know, 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:46.760 are up there in the line of scrimmage and in 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:50.440 the trenches. And I didn't think it was quite as 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:52.920 deep as I've initially thought. This is one that I 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:56.360 think is better, and I'll give you an example. First 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:58.040 of all, there's a couple of guys that really helped 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:03.760 themselves in the combine process. One of Ross Blacklock from TCU, big, big, 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:06.320 physical guy, Derek Brown is the leader of that group 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:07.959 at Auburn. He's gonna be the one that's gonna be 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:11.120 taken heat didn't have as great a combine. But there's 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:15.280 Marlon Davidson from Auburn. I'm fascinated by this story of 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:20.480 the Davis twins from Nebraska adopted when they were infants. 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.680 Great story. We'll share that sometime, but Carlos and Khalil 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.600 Davis ran two of the fastest forty times for big 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:29.079 men in the history of the combine of this thing. 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:31.840 But a guy who really upped his stock outside of 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:36.640 a Javon Kin law is Neville Gallimore from Oklahoma six 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:42.800 two three uh four and ran ran a really good 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:46.360 forty for that size four seven nine, had a good 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:49.080 three cone drill. But he's a guy, He's a Canadian dude. 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:52.640 He was a number one Canadian prospect in twenty fifteen 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:57.160 out of Ottawa, Ontario, and he is a guy that 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:59.960 is improving his stock and I think he's a first 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:03.280 night one Thursday round pick, Thursday night round, first round 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:07.120 pick in this deal. And interior defensive line, there's some 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.000 guys that can do some stuff here. You know. For 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:11.240 me it was the interior linebackers because nobody has talked 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:13.280 about these guys, you know, you know, coming through and 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:16.160 then just watching them work, you know, I think there's 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:19.240 there's more. And of course the Patrick Queen and Kenneth Murray, 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:21.600 those are the two top guys in this draft coming out. 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:24.160 But just looking at some of the numbers while I 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:27.440 was watching the linebackers work out, Joe Bocchi from Michigan State. 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:29.840 You know his six one, two hundred and thirty pound linebacker. 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.640 Twenty six reps on the bench, he ran four sixty seven. 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:35.000 That's a space linebacker. That's a guy that can play. 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:38.120 Zach Bond from Wisconsin. Where is Zach Bond going to 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:41.480 play in the National Football League six two two thirty eight. 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:43.840 He made his living at Wisconsin, playing a lot of 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:46.760 different places. Twenty four, but he ran four sixty five. 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.679 That is a space linebacker. That's that's what's going on 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:52.079 in this league, and that that's what you look about. 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:55.360 Sean Bradley from Temple six o five two thirty five, 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:57.440 not as strong a little bit, but he ran four 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:59.880 five one, and so we've seen what had happened when 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:02.959 you can develop those space linebackers that can run. And 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:05.679 to me, that group had a little Now, there were 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:07.600 some of the guys that I wanted to see work 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.280 out that didn't work out that I know are good 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:14.839 space players just watching them play. But that inside linebacker group, 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:18.040 to me, has kind of been looked over in this draft. 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:20.880 But there are some guys that can run. A guy 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:24.160 named Davion Taylor from Colorado six o four two twenty eight. 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:26.200 All right, sounds a lot like some of the guys 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.360 that rant four or five three. There are some guys 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:30.640 that have space ability that will play in the National 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:33.319 Football League because you're playing sixty percent of your staffs 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.280 in the National Football League in sub packages. Now, let's 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:39.520 flip this. Which positions were not as good or as 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:43.160 strong as you expected them to be. Interior offensive lineman, centers, 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.480 and guards. They aren't top flight and you had this 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.720 suspicion going into this whole thing. I don't think there'll 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:54.040 be a guard taken in the first round. Caesar Ruiz 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:58.800 of Michigan will probably be the top interior offensive linemen taken, 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:02.800 and that'll be probably near the middle of round two. 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:05.440 You know, I thought going in, and I agree with Rett. 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:07.679 I mean that to me is that is where as 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:10.600 far as you talk about impact players, that's where they aren't. 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:13.200 And the other the other spot is tight end. You know, 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:15.920 there's not a dominating tight end as there were last year. 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:17.520 You know, coming out of AVA two of them. There 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:19.400 are some decent ones, but there are some There are 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:21.760 tight ends that have different traits that you're going to 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.040 have to be able to live without if you want 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:26.120 to take a tight end in this draft to make 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:28.320 an immediate impact. Mac, what do you think is the 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:31.280 strength of this draft just overall wide receivers. I mean, 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:34.520 without a doubt, it's wide receivers. I mean, you've got 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:37.640 you've got guys that have all types of different ability. 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:40.200 And I was just talking about numbers, and I know 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:42.520 we'll talk about speeds here in a little while with 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:45.200 these wide receivers, but you you had you had dudes 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:48.040 that could run run, you know, and and and you 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:49.920 know that people were wondering how that was going to 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:53.040 affect the times as far as running running at night, 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:54.800 because this is the first time we've done that in 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:57.280 prime time in this combined sense. It's been there that 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:00.359 there were some fabulous times posted by these wide receivers. 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:02.439 And we'll talk about this too. With the change in 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:04.880 the wide receiver drills, you could see some guys and 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:08.040 because that's where offenses are going now. But the wide receiver, 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.400 to me, is the definite strength of this draft. I 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:12.760 would say cornerback and running back to go with that. 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:15.600 But I'll underline what Coach Max saying about the wide 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:18.920 receivers to give you an example of how many talented 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.040 guys there are. And a guy that improved his stock 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.920 in this his Chase Claypool of Notre Dame, who measured 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:26.560 it at six four two thirty eight. He ran a 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:30.080 four four two forty at that size, nineteen reps at 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:33.040 two twenty five, a ten to six broad jump, a 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:37.079 forty and a half inch vertical. That is what Coach 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:38.920 Max's talking about. We hadn't even talked about the top 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:41.160 flight ones yet, No, we haven't. And just to his point, 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.959 I mean Denzel Mims from Baylor, I mean, nobody's mentioning 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:46.280 him as a top flat guy six three, two hundred 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:48.760 and eight pounds, forty three eight you know, fourth or 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:50.360 eight to thirty eight and a half inch vertical and 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:52.559 went up for our listeners for vertical. When I when 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:54.640 we give you vertical and broad jump numbers, and you ask, 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:58.280 why is that important? That demonstrates explosiveness And for these 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.319 some positions it's extremely more important than others. But the 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:04.000 game of football is a game of short, quick burst. 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.000 I mean, that's what it is. And to his point 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:10.440 with Claypool and Denzel Mims ten nine broad jump, I 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:12.480 mean at six three, two hundred eight pounds four three 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:15.360 eight guys, that's you know, we throw these numbers out 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.640 like they're nothing. You don't understand how fast four three 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:19.960 eight is for a human. I mean that is fast 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.800 fast at that size. I want to jump to edge rushers. 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:29.320 If that's okay. As a group, did they show up better, worse, 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:32.320 or the same as you thought they would at the combine? 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:33.960 I thought it was about the same. I thought it was. 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:37.160 But I was able to distinguish being at the workouts 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:40.200 and watching to kind of reinforce some opinions that I had, 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.520 because when you talk about edge rushers, you've got to differentiate. 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:45.640 Are you talking about four three edge rushers. Are you 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.320 talking about sub bass rushers or are you talking about 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.120 three four edge rushers that also have to be able 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.120 to play first and second down and convert from going 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.440 forward to going backwards. Those are the things that you 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:58.240 have to you know, so you need to you need 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:00.200 to delineate a little bit of what you're talking talking 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.760 about about edge rushers. And of course we all know 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:04.640 what Chase Young is. We didn't see him work, it 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:06.680 doesn't matter. We know what he is. If you turn 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.400 on ten seconds of tape, you can watch you understand 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:12.480 what it is Rhet's guy. Chase On is another one 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:15.320 of those guys. But I enjoyed watching your tour Gross 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.800 Matos work on He didn't run a forty, but watching 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.440 him work on the floor, he's got that athletic ability. 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:22.760 Terrell Lewis from Alabama? Can I go back to Gross 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:25.000 made us for a second? Go ahead? After what you saw? 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:28.480 Could he play three four? Yes? Okay, because going in 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:31.000 you felt like he might just be a four three 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:33.960 edge guy. But you've changed your mind a little bit, Well, 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:36.080 not changed my mind. It just because I didn't see 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.200 him do enough of that stuff on tape. I just 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:41.080 wanted to see what you could see. The innate athleticism. 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:43.680 I think he could what the combines for. That's exactly 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.360 what it's for. I mean, you know, and especially you 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:47.920 know when I was coaching. You get to go to 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:49.640 school and work him out. You get to work him 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.560 out positions specific to what you want to do. But 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:55.720 my thought is, yes, Terrell Lewis from Alabama. You know's 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:57.400 the guy that has fought some injuries there. You know, 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:59.800 watching him go through the drills, he was a power guy. 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:02.000 I still think he's a power guy who he didn't 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:05.120 I saw Curtis Weaver from Boise State. So your answer 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:07.400 was that they did about what I thought. There were 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:10.479 some guys that you know a lot, like ej Epinessa 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:12.680 from Iowa. Now this is a four to three guy. 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:14.600 I mean, he's definitely a four to three guy. He 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:16.120 is not a guy you're going to stand up in 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:18.840 a three to four outside. He's a power guy. He's 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:21.280 not a bendy edge guy, but he is a powerful 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.280 guy with it. We'll find a place in the first 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:25.960 round with four to three teams. And I thought it 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:28.080 was about the same as well, although there are some 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:31.240 guys that I wanted to see workout in this that 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:33.360 are in the next couple of tiers down from the 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.760 elite guys. Joshua Ucci from Michigan didn't work out. He 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.600 had a hamstring he suffered at the Senior Bowl. Bradley 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:41.560 and I from Utah as a guy people are talking about, 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:45.160 but not as fast or bendy in this thing. When 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:48.080 you start showing what he can do in some of 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:50.800 the new drills that were introduced this year at the Combine. 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:54.080 But I think Coach Max right on this. You know 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:56.720 you know who the guys are in this thing. And 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:00.400 I think the pass rusher class is probably as represented. 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:02.720 Let me just say this from this from this point though, 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:06.040 with eds rushers in the National Football League, so much 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:08.080 of that depends on what your scheme is. And it 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:10.360 also goes to the point that I made about your 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:14.800 staff's ability to develop somebody beyond what you saw them 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:17.760 doing collegiately. I want to stay on the defensive side 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:19.720 of the ball, and I want to talk about cornerbacks 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:23.280 a little bit. If you're looking for a cornerback with 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:26.520 elite speed for coverage, so not just fast, but as 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:29.399 coach Max says, fast fast, can you find him in 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:34.680 this draft? Rhett, you start, Absolutely you can, because two 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:39.400 of the top ten forty times in this combine we're cornerbacks. 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:44.040 One of them is Javelin Guidry from Utah and the 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.960 other is a guy who is a defensive back from 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:52.520 Louisiana Tech, Lugarius Sneaed Javelin Gidrey four two nine, Lagarius 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:57.040 sneed four three seven. So yeah, and then coach Max 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:58.879 got a slew of guys under four or five to 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:03.679 run under four or five five. Again, it's fast, it's fast, fast, 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:06.359 And he mentioned he mentioned those two guys, you know, 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:10.600 but but you start looking, uh, you go to Javarius 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.639 Davis from Auburn four three nine. C. J. Henderson, Florida 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:16.760 four three nine, Troy Pride, Notre Dame four four Oh 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:20.160 Tanner Muse Clemson four four one, Josiah Scott Michigan State 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.480 four four two. Are you counting these? Amy A. J. 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:26.320 Terrell Clempson really a lot? Four four two, Reggie Robinson 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:30.160 Tulsa four four four. Kendall, I mean, I've got just list. 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:33.280 I mean, it goes all down the way their speed 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:35.800 at corner in this draft. And the reason is we 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:38.760 said that this was a high class in wide receivers. 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:42.600 That's what's going on offensively in collegiate football. It's what's 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:45.800 going on offensively. We just saw a track team win 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.760 the you know, the Super Bowl Trophy this year, and 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:50.560 then these guys are guys that are have to come 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:52.760 in to cover these people. There are a lot of them. 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:55.879 So eighteen corners under four to five and some of 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:58.960 them world class track speed. Rhett was counting for me. 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:03.800 Thanks he rehet is helpful in that way to help. 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:07.320 But what we're saying is we're saying you can find 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:11.439 a corner of any style, any maker model, so to 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:16.399 speak throughout two hundred and fifty plus picks Well and 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:20.160 Mac brought up the wide receivers, and I think that 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.040 we've been talking since the very beginning about how deep 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:26.240 and how strong this wide receiver class is. But when 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:29.000 you guys got there, did it live up to the hype? 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:31.639 Did that group seeing them work out and perform the 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:34.640 drills that we have been anticipating them doing, did they 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:36.960 live up to the excitement that you ask there every 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:40.399 making model of wide receiver there absolutely, there's there's all 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:42.680 the way from Rugs that ran four to eight, all 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:45.320 all the way to Juwan Jennings who ran four seven two. 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:49.200 That's a pretty big spread of body type and speed type. 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:52.200 But there are a lot of them. And Rehet's got 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:54.320 the numbers of the fastest wide receivers, you know, because 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:56.040