1 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: We welcome you to the Official Titans podcast, better known 2 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: as the ot Beat. My neighbor is Mike Heath, Joined 3 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: as usual by Amy Well mate, how are you? Oh 4 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: so good? How are you great? Thank you? Joined by 5 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: Titans Radios Draft Duo Coach Dave mcginnison, Rehet Brian. Welcome, gentlemen, 6 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: Thanks Mike, Coach Mac. More than any of the rest 7 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: of us, you were the one that had to survive. 8 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: The tornado went right over the top of me. I mean, 9 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: if people are asking me how how it is, I mean, 10 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: that's about the third one I've survived. Uh, you know, 11 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 1: at very day. This one was this one was the closest. 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: It was sounded like somebody was landing a seven forty 13 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: seven on top of my house. You know, I was. 14 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: I'm in East Nashville. It was destroyed. You know, I'm 15 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: right in that path. I'm about two blocks from Lachland 16 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: Table and it was just completely destroyed. I mean, I've 17 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: still got no I've got no power. Our neighborhood won't 18 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: have power for a long time. I mean there are rucks. 19 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: I mean there's trucks, police, there's it's going to be. 20 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: It was devastating. I mean it when you are around 21 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: that stuff and it hits you close, the power that 22 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: those things and how quick it comes. I had about 23 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 1: twenty seconds to find an inside wall, you know, before 24 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: it before it hit. And then, uh, it was devastating. 25 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: Now I've got there's a church right across the street 26 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: from me that's completely blown away. And you know, my 27 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: structure is still standing. I got things on my truck door. 28 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: That's it. I mean, I can. I can live without 29 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: power for a while. You don't really realize how much 30 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: you like electricity. I didn't say appreciate, I say like electricity, 31 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: So you don't have it. Obviously, have a lot of 32 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: people to think of and to keep in mind. A 33 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: loss of life, um, loss of structure, loss of you know, 34 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: convenience in terms. I mean, it hits on so many 35 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: different levels, and there's some that are considerably more serious 36 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: than others. Being inconvenienced is one thing, but uh, losing 37 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: people you love of and I mean, it's just awful. 38 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: Not only do we have to keep in mind Davidson County, 39 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: in Wilson County, but our friends in Putnam County and 40 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: vastating the great people of the area of Cookeville, Tennessee 41 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: and our friend Larry Stone who owns Stonecom Radio, their 42 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: Titans Radio's godfather himself. And as you're as you're out 43 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: doing things, as you're giving money, as you're donating your time, 44 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: as you're donating your resources, don't forget people outside of 45 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: the immediate Nashville area. You want to help everybody in Nashville, 46 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 1: But my goodness, I mean, the Cookville thing is horrendous. 47 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: It's the deadliest tornado in you in Tennessee history, and 48 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: they've been keeping records of that for over sixty years now. 49 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: It's an e F three maybe EF four there. The 50 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: Weather Service is doing other surveys of this thing, and 51 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: the damage path is devastating, I mean, absolutely unbelievable. Well, 52 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: the reason we're mentioning it on OTPs, we know there 53 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: are a lot of people who subscribe to the Official 54 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: Titans podcast who are outside the area who want to 55 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,839 Speaker 1: help people. There are people outside the country who want 56 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: to help people. So as you see different ways to help, 57 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: and they will continue to come out. Again, keep the 58 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: people in Nashville in mind, but keep those outside of 59 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: Nashville in mind too when you when you have a 60 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: desire to help, because so much of the national publicity 61 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: is going to be about Nashville. It's a Middle Tennessee thing, 62 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: not Anae. And it's a it's certainly a big thing 63 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: in Cookeville too, and we want to remind you of that. Absolutely. 64 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: We are here to recap the combine and talk about 65 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: what we saw. Dave McGinnis and Rhet Brian did the 66 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: whole thing. Amy Wells and I just basically took a pass. 67 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: We showed up. I mean, we were there and we 68 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: were engaging with We bought the T shirt. Yeah, we 69 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: bought a T shirt like eight a hot dog. But like, 70 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: we didn't stick around to the fourth quarter. Can I 71 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: stop both of you right now? Sure, I was with 72 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: you for the first three days when you were there, 73 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: you guys were outstanding. Well, you got some tremendous guests, uh, 74 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: you know there for the for the OTP, I mean 75 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: really good stuff. You guys did yeoman's work doing that. 76 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I and so we try hard. I know 77 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: you didn't we go when we go, We we try hard. 78 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: You got a legitimate guest and did a nice Yoah, 79 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: we did an OTP from up there that I thought 80 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: it was fine. It was very good. Very well received. 81 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 1: Thank you for all the nice comments out there about that. 82 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: It was very fun. All right. So at the combine 83 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: you see everybody amy everybody. Who was the person you 84 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: were most excited to see? Well, the person I was 85 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: most excited I'm gonna say talk to because I looked 86 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: at him too, was Daniel Jeremiah. Yeah. He is always 87 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: such a fun guy to talk to you because he's 88 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: so knowledgeable and he explains things in a way that 89 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,799 Speaker 1: you don't feel like you're completely out of the loop. 90 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: I mean, he talks about these guys like their friends 91 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: that he has been following for years, and he's so knowledgeable, 92 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: and he's so gracious to talk with us every year, 93 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: and it was really really good to get his insight. Right. 94 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: This was only your second combine, correct, So you get 95 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: to see everybody there. Who were you excited to run into? Now? 96 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: Were we talking players or because the person I wanted 97 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: to see who did not work out, but we'll do 98 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: so at his LSU pro day on April third is 99 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: Claivan Chase Hunt, the pass rusher. Uh. We just wanted 100 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 1: to see this dude. I wanted to see him up close. Uh, 101 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: he has a neck as long as a giraffe. He's 102 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: like Merton Hanks at the forty nine Wow. But he's 103 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: a He's a big, sculpted, tall dude. That is going 104 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: to be one of the conversations the closer we get 105 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: to the draft, and as we are here right now, 106 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: it's fifty days out. But he did not work He 107 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: did not work out. He's gonna do it at his 108 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: pro day. But I wanted to go to his podium 109 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: feed because just to see what kind of dude he is. 110 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: Loved his confidence. He said, do you want to hire 111 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 1: a guy that speaks one language or as multi lingual? 112 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: I speak three languages. I can rush the passer, I 113 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: could drop back in coverage and cover most anybody, and 114 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: I can defend the run. Those are the three languages. 115 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: I'm I'm the best pass rusher in this draft. Those 116 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: are the three languages. Yep, I'm sold. I mean I 117 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: thought you were going to say, like German, whatever I mean, 118 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: I'm I would be happy. He didn't study abroad in Lichtensteiner. 119 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: And all I care about is can can you hit 120 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: the quarterback? And he says, I can pass rush, I 121 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: can drop in coverage, I can defend the ruin I'm like, 122 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: that's the three tools that I want. Language, and I 123 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: just I'm fascinated by this guy because I think when 124 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: you put him in a pass rusher situation and line 125 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: him up in one position and he can play multiple 126 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: he's going to excel and do it well. I am 127 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: fluid in those languages. Coachmack, you know everybody, So how 128 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: in the world could you say who you were excited 129 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: to see? Well, I know everybody, and I saw everybody 130 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: because I you know, I sat in the in Lucas 131 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: Oil from four o'clock until eleven o'clock Thursday, Friday and 132 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: Saturday night and then from two to to six on Sunday, 133 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: so had a chance to see everybody and in the hallways. 134 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: And we've already said on ro OTP I was very 135 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: excited to meet all of the security dogs, because I did. 136 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: I met every one of them up there. And then 137 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: I've had several people get ahold of do they would 138 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: not let Peter King at the security dog. Here's he 139 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: wrote about it in his column from the condo. And 140 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: I've I've heard about that because people have heard our thing. 141 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: Let me tell you what the last day when I 142 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: was I was walking through the interview place that they 143 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: were tearing it down, and one of the security guards 144 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: was standing at the at the end of it. You know, 145 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: those were big rooms. It was at the very end, 146 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: and he was standing there with my friend Bingo, and 147 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: I just whistled it. I whistled at being going. He 148 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: hooked being going. Beg King run sprinting across the whole 149 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: floors to see me. So and Bingo, beautiful Black Lab 150 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: had her own credential hanging around her neck. Yeah, so 151 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: tell Peter King he needs to be coach Mack before 152 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: he gets in with the guard dogs. This is why 153 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: coach Mack. I'm calling him the mo, the mayor of everywhere, 154 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: the mayor of everywhere. Player wise, the guy that I 155 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: really really wanted to wanted to see. If we're talking 156 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: about player wise, I was really really interested to see 157 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: Tristan Worth's because this guy, to me is probably one 158 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: of the is oh tackle IOWA. Yeah, but he'll be 159 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: more than that. Look he's he reminds me. I drafted 160 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: Leonard Davis number one out of Texas when big was 161 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: coming out out of Texas, and we played him at tackle. 162 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: But I said, once somebody moves him into guard, he 163 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: will be a perennial pro bowler, which he was. This guy, 164 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: this guy could play either or and if somebody has 165 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: the has the wherewithal and the ability on their offensive 166 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: line to play him at guard, he will be devastating, devastating. Now, 167 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: rhet which positions were better than you thought they were 168 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: going to be. I've been sold on anterior defensive linemen 169 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: as just I like big guys that just you know, 170 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: are up there in the line of scrimmage and in 171 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: the trenches. And I didn't think it was quite as 172 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: deep as I've initially thought. This is one that I 173 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: think is better, and I'll give you an example. First 174 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: of all, there's a couple of guys that really helped 175 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: themselves in the combine process. One of Ross Blacklock from TCU, big, big, 176 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: physical guy, Derek Brown is the leader of that group 177 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: at Auburn. He's gonna be the one that's gonna be 178 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: taken heat didn't have as great a combine. But there's 179 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: Marlon Davidson from Auburn. I'm fascinated by this story of 180 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: the Davis twins from Nebraska adopted when they were infants. 181 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: Great story. We'll share that sometime, but Carlos and Khalil 182 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: Davis ran two of the fastest forty times for big 183 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 1: men in the history of the combine of this thing. 184 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: But a guy who really upped his stock outside of 185 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: a Javon Kin law is Neville Gallimore from Oklahoma six 186 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: two three uh four and ran ran a really good 187 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: forty for that size four seven nine, had a good 188 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: three cone drill. But he's a guy, He's a Canadian dude. 189 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: He was a number one Canadian prospect in twenty fifteen 190 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: out of Ottawa, Ontario, and he is a guy that 191 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: is improving his stock and I think he's a first 192 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: night one Thursday round pick, Thursday night round, first round 193 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: pick in this deal. And interior defensive line, there's some 194 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: guys that can do some stuff here. You know. For 195 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: me it was the interior linebackers because nobody has talked 196 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: about these guys, you know, you know, coming through and 197 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: then just watching them work, you know, I think there's 198 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: there's more. And of course the Patrick Queen and Kenneth Murray, 199 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: those are the two top guys in this draft coming out. 200 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: But just looking at some of the numbers while I 201 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: was watching the linebackers work out, Joe Bocchi from Michigan State. 202 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: You know his six one, two hundred and thirty pound linebacker. 203 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: Twenty six reps on the bench, he ran four sixty seven. 204 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: That's a space linebacker. That's a guy that can play. 205 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: Zach Bond from Wisconsin. Where is Zach Bond going to 206 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: play in the National Football League six two two thirty eight. 207 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: He made his living at Wisconsin, playing a lot of 208 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: different places. Twenty four, but he ran four sixty five. 209 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: That is a space linebacker. That's that's what's going on 210 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 1: in this league, and that that's what you look about. 211 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: Sean Bradley from Temple six o five two thirty five, 212 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: not as strong a little bit, but he ran four 213 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: five one, and so we've seen what had happened when 214 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 1: you can develop those space linebackers that can run. And 215 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: to me, that group had a little Now, there were 216 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: some of the guys that I wanted to see work 217 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: out that didn't work out that I know are good 218 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 1: space players just watching them play. But that inside linebacker group, 219 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: to me, has kind of been looked over in this draft. 220 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: But there are some guys that can run. A guy 221 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: named Davion Taylor from Colorado six o four two twenty eight. 222 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: All right, sounds a lot like some of the guys 223 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: that rant four or five three. There are some guys 224 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: that have space ability that will play in the National 225 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: Football League because you're playing sixty percent of your staffs 226 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: in the National Football League in sub packages. Now, let's 227 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: flip this. Which positions were not as good or as 228 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: strong as you expected them to be. Interior offensive lineman, centers, 229 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: and guards. They aren't top flight and you had this 230 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: suspicion going into this whole thing. I don't think there'll 231 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: be a guard taken in the first round. Caesar Ruiz 232 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: of Michigan will probably be the top interior offensive linemen taken, 233 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: and that'll be probably near the middle of round two. 234 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: You know, I thought going in, and I agree with Rett. 235 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: I mean that to me is that is where as 236 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: far as you talk about impact players, that's where they aren't. 237 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: And the other the other spot is tight end. You know, 238 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: there's not a dominating tight end as there were last year. 239 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: You know, coming out of AVA two of them. There 240 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: are some decent ones, but there are some There are 241 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: tight ends that have different traits that you're going to 242 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: have to be able to live without if you want 243 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: to take a tight end in this draft to make 244 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: an immediate impact. Mac, what do you think is the 245 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: strength of this draft just overall wide receivers. I mean, 246 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: without a doubt, it's wide receivers. I mean, you've got 247 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: you've got guys that have all types of different ability. 248 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: And I was just talking about numbers, and I know 249 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: we'll talk about speeds here in a little while with 250 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: these wide receivers, but you you had you had dudes 251 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: that could run run, you know, and and and you 252 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: know that people were wondering how that was going to 253 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: affect the times as far as running running at night, 254 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: because this is the first time we've done that in 255 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: prime time in this combined sense. It's been there that 256 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,359 Speaker 1: there were some fabulous times posted by these wide receivers. 257 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: And we'll talk about this too. With the change in 258 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: the wide receiver drills, you could see some guys and 259 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: because that's where offenses are going now. But the wide receiver, 260 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: to me, is the definite strength of this draft. I 261 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: would say cornerback and running back to go with that. 262 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: But I'll underline what Coach Max saying about the wide 263 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: receivers to give you an example of how many talented 264 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: guys there are. And a guy that improved his stock 265 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: in this his Chase Claypool of Notre Dame, who measured 266 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: it at six four two thirty eight. He ran a 267 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: four four two forty at that size, nineteen reps at 268 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: two twenty five, a ten to six broad jump, a 269 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 1: forty and a half inch vertical. That is what Coach 270 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: Max's talking about. We hadn't even talked about the top 271 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: flight ones yet, No, we haven't. And just to his point, 272 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 1: I mean Denzel Mims from Baylor, I mean, nobody's mentioning 273 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: him as a top flat guy six three, two hundred 274 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: and eight pounds, forty three eight you know, fourth or 275 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: eight to thirty eight and a half inch vertical and 276 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: went up for our listeners for vertical. When I when 277 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: we give you vertical and broad jump numbers, and you ask, 278 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: why is that important? That demonstrates explosiveness And for these 279 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 1: some positions it's extremely more important than others. But the 280 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: game of football is a game of short, quick burst. 281 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what it is. And to his point 282 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: with Claypool and Denzel Mims ten nine broad jump, I 283 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: mean at six three, two hundred eight pounds four three 284 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: eight guys, that's you know, we throw these numbers out 285 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: like they're nothing. You don't understand how fast four three 286 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: eight is for a human. I mean that is fast 287 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: fast at that size. I want to jump to edge rushers. 288 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: If that's okay. As a group, did they show up better, worse, 289 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: or the same as you thought they would at the combine? 290 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: I thought it was about the same. I thought it was. 291 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: But I was able to distinguish being at the workouts 292 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: and watching to kind of reinforce some opinions that I had, 293 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: because when you talk about edge rushers, you've got to differentiate. 294 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: Are you talking about four three edge rushers. Are you 295 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: talking about sub bass rushers or are you talking about 296 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: three four edge rushers that also have to be able 297 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: to play first and second down and convert from going 298 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: forward to going backwards. Those are the things that you 299 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: have to you know, so you need to you need 300 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: to delineate a little bit of what you're talking talking 301 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: about about edge rushers. And of course we all know 302 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: what Chase Young is. We didn't see him work, it 303 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. We know what he is. If you turn 304 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: on ten seconds of tape, you can watch you understand 305 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: what it is Rhet's guy. Chase On is another one 306 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: of those guys. But I enjoyed watching your tour Gross 307 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: Matos work on He didn't run a forty, but watching 308 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: him work on the floor, he's got that athletic ability. 309 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: Terrell Lewis from Alabama? Can I go back to Gross 310 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: made us for a second? Go ahead? After what you saw? 311 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: Could he play three four? Yes? Okay, because going in 312 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: you felt like he might just be a four three 313 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: edge guy. But you've changed your mind a little bit, Well, 314 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: not changed my mind. It just because I didn't see 315 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: him do enough of that stuff on tape. I just 316 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: wanted to see what you could see. The innate athleticism. 317 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: I think he could what the combines for. That's exactly 318 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: what it's for. I mean, you know, and especially you 319 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: know when I was coaching. You get to go to 320 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: school and work him out. You get to work him 321 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: out positions specific to what you want to do. But 322 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: my thought is, yes, Terrell Lewis from Alabama. You know's 323 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: the guy that has fought some injuries there. You know, 324 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: watching him go through the drills, he was a power guy. 325 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: I still think he's a power guy who he didn't 326 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: I saw Curtis Weaver from Boise State. So your answer 327 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: was that they did about what I thought. There were 328 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,479 Speaker 1: some guys that you know a lot, like ej Epinessa 329 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: from Iowa. Now this is a four to three guy. 330 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: I mean, he's definitely a four to three guy. He 331 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: is not a guy you're going to stand up in 332 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: a three to four outside. He's a power guy. He's 333 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: not a bendy edge guy, but he is a powerful 334 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: guy with it. We'll find a place in the first 335 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: round with four to three teams. And I thought it 336 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: was about the same as well, although there are some 337 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: guys that I wanted to see workout in this that 338 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: are in the next couple of tiers down from the 339 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: elite guys. Joshua Ucci from Michigan didn't work out. He 340 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: had a hamstring he suffered at the Senior Bowl. Bradley 341 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: and I from Utah as a guy people are talking about, 342 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: but not as fast or bendy in this thing. When 343 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: you start showing what he can do in some of 344 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: the new drills that were introduced this year at the Combine. 345 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: But I think Coach Max right on this. You know 346 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: you know who the guys are in this thing. And 347 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: I think the pass rusher class is probably as represented. 348 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: Let me just say this from this from this point though, 349 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: with eds rushers in the National Football League, so much 350 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: of that depends on what your scheme is. And it 351 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 1: also goes to the point that I made about your 352 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: staff's ability to develop somebody beyond what you saw them 353 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: doing collegiately. I want to stay on the defensive side 354 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: of the ball, and I want to talk about cornerbacks 355 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: a little bit. If you're looking for a cornerback with 356 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: elite speed for coverage, so not just fast, but as 357 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: coach Max says, fast fast, can you find him in 358 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: this draft? Rhett, you start, Absolutely you can, because two 359 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: of the top ten forty times in this combine we're cornerbacks. 360 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: One of them is Javelin Guidry from Utah and the 361 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: other is a guy who is a defensive back from 362 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: Louisiana Tech, Lugarius Sneaed Javelin Gidrey four two nine, Lagarius 363 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: sneed four three seven. So yeah, and then coach Max 364 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 1: got a slew of guys under four or five to 365 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 1: run under four or five five. Again, it's fast, it's fast, fast, 366 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: And he mentioned he mentioned those two guys, you know, 367 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: but but you start looking, uh, you go to Javarius 368 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: Davis from Auburn four three nine. C. J. Henderson, Florida 369 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: four three nine, Troy Pride, Notre Dame four four Oh 370 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: Tanner Muse Clemson four four one, Josiah Scott Michigan State 371 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: four four two. Are you counting these? Amy A. J. 372 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: Terrell Clempson really a lot? Four four two, Reggie Robinson 373 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: Tulsa four four four. Kendall, I mean, I've got just list. 374 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: I mean, it goes all down the way their speed 375 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: at corner in this draft. And the reason is we 376 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: said that this was a high class in wide receivers. 377 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: That's what's going on offensively in collegiate football. It's what's 378 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: going on offensively. We just saw a track team win 379 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: the you know, the Super Bowl Trophy this year, and 380 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: then these guys are guys that are have to come 381 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: in to cover these people. There are a lot of them. 382 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: So eighteen corners under four to five and some of 383 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: them world class track speed. Rhett was counting for me. 384 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: Thanks he rehet is helpful in that way to help. 385 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: But what we're saying is we're saying you can find 386 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 1: a corner of any style, any maker model, so to 387 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: speak throughout two hundred and fifty plus picks Well and 388 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: Mac brought up the wide receivers, and I think that 389 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: we've been talking since the very beginning about how deep 390 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: and how strong this wide receiver class is. But when 391 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: you guys got there, did it live up to the hype? 392 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: Did that group seeing them work out and perform the 393 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: drills that we have been anticipating them doing, did they 394 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: live up to the excitement that you ask there every 395 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: making model of wide receiver there absolutely, there's there's all 396 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: the way from Rugs that ran four to eight, all 397 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: all the way to Juwan Jennings who ran four seven two. 398 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: That's a pretty big spread of body type and speed type. 399 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: But there are a lot of them. And Rehet's got 400 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: the numbers of the fastest wide receivers, you know, because 401 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: I sat there and watched every one of them work out. 402 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: But speed speed steps out at you. Reet's got those numbers, 403 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: and I'll get the number of wide receivers that were 404 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: under four five there. So six of the top ten 405 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: fastest forty times at the combine were wide outs. Henry Ruggs, 406 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: Alabama four two seven that screams explosion. That's he. That's 407 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: an Oakland. That's an Oakland. That's a Lost Vegas Raiders pick. No, 408 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: it's an Oakland. It's an Al Davis Oakland Raiders pick 409 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: wide receiver Quez Watkins from Southern Mississippi four three five, 410 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,959 Speaker 1: Denzel Mims, the aforementioned receiver from Baylor forty three eight, 411 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: Darnell Mooney from Tulane who is also a kick returner 412 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: four three eight, Devin Duverney of Texas forty three nine. 413 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: And then a guy from Liberty that people are talking 414 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,719 Speaker 1: about that was in a combine and anti Liberty no 415 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: Lee movie lou Here. But it is Antonio. I'm sorry. 416 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: Antonio Gibson is who I was thinking about. I was 417 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: thinking Antonio Gandy Golden. Never mind Antonio Gibson from Memphis 418 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: four three nine as well. But there's a ton of 419 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: guys under four to five. In fact, there's thirteen more. 420 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 1: Coach Macas, Yeah, we've already talked about Chase Claypool. You 421 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: got Tyree Cleveland four four to six out of Florida. 422 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: Isaiah Coulter from Rhode Island. Rhode Island had three players. 423 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: He's a real priest he's a prospect. Look Rhode Island, 424 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 1: Rhode Island, the what were they the Rams? They had 425 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: three prospects at the combine. Think about that, Rhode Island, 426 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: three prospects. Stephen Gidrey Mississippi State four four seven, John 427 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: Hyghtower from Boys, Who's an interesting dude. Four for three. 428 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson from LSU. That may have helped himself as 429 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: much as anybody in this draft at four to four three. 430 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: We'll talk about him later. Jerry Judy from Alabama. Everybody 431 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: knows that name, Judy, Judy Judy. He ran four to 432 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: four to five. Desmond Patton, Washington State four four eight, 433 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: Donovan People's Jones Michigan four four eight, Jalen raagor frog 434 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: that four four seven, I got, Joe Reid, Freddie Swain, 435 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: Jeff Thomas got it. Nineteen of them under four five. 436 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: All right, So so here's what we got. We got 437 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: a lot of fast receivers. I want to talk about 438 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: Juan Jennings because he from Murphy's Borrow. He played at Tennessee. 439 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: He ran four seven two. Coach Mac, do you think 440 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 1: that teams were surprised that's what he ran? Or do 441 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: you think that's about what they expect. Nobody was surprised. 442 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 1: Now I'll tell you who wasn't surprised. First and foremost 443 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: is him, Okay, And he said that in his interview 444 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: when you if you listen to him, said no, I'm 445 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: not gonna run good. I don't that's not my game. 446 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: And nobody, nobody was surprised. I got a lot of 447 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: talk about him when I was there because I drafted 448 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: an Kwan Bowling and everybody, you know, for any receiver 449 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: that runs over four or five in the draft or 450 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: over four to six in the draft, the comparison always 451 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: comes back to, yeah, well an Kwan Bowling ran four 452 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: seven two and he did, and I drafted him and 453 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 1: so and we know when that worked out pretty good, 454 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: and so we know what kind of you know so, 455 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: but Jennings knew he wasn't going to run fast. That's 456 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 1: not his game. Nobody cared. That will not alter his 457 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: stock at all. So the fact that the national media 458 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: went nuts and basically through a funeral for his chances 459 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: is completely out the window because of A the tape 460 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: and B. There's going to be a team or two 461 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: that is just going to love and want him and 462 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: they're not worried about a stop. Why Mike Keith, you 463 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: said that, so, well, you're gonna have to You're gonna 464 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: have to want him, just like I wanted, you know, 465 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: an kuon Bolin, I didn't care. I wanted him. Somebody's 466 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: gonna have to want him. And when they do, he's drafted. 467 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: Once he gets in the door of a come of 468 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 1: a organization, then it's up to him. All right. So 469 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: let's move to offensive tackles. So we've we've hit the 470 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: wide receivers in the corners, and we've talked about how 471 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: deep there. We've hit the edge rushers, a position that 472 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: Titans fans are always interested in. Offensive tackles. Dave McGinnis, 473 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 1: how many go in the top fifty after what you 474 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: saw in Indianapolis? Five? Yeah, yeah, yea yeah yeah. To me, 475 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: there will be five. You know. If you want the 476 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,959 Speaker 1: names of him, here's the one that I go go 477 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: real early. I mean the first fifty picks. McKay Beckton 478 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: from Louisville, come on, beast, Jedrick Wills from Alabama, Tristan Worse. 479 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: Watching all these guys work, I mean, it's impressive to 480 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,719 Speaker 1: watch uh Andrew Thomas from Georgia, Austin Jackson from USC 481 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: and then there's a next tier right below them that 482 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: it depends on how much you like them. They might 483 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: sneak in there. Lucas Nyang from TCU, Jis Jones from Houston, 484 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: Isaiah Wilson from Georgia who had a massive offensive line 485 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: this year. And then a guy that I really liked 486 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,239 Speaker 1: that is moving up that people. He's much like, if 487 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: you like him, you're gonna take him and you don't 488 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: care what anybody else thinks about it is Ezra Cleveland 489 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 1: from Boise State. All Right, running back is the depth 490 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: that running back what you hope Dave McGinnis, Yes, absolutely 491 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 1: it is, and it is and when you and when 492 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: you watch, when you watch the running backs work, and 493 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: what I liked is they had some different drills for 494 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: the running backs this year that are more consistent with 495 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: what's going on in the National Football League. And there 496 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: is there is depth from top to bottom, and there's 497 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: also any flavor that you would want out of the 498 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: out of the running backs. Yes, my answer to that 499 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: is without a doubt. Yes. And let me let me 500 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: say this, if you're not looking for a premier running back, 501 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: but you're looking for a complimentary running back as to 502 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: what the National Football League is going to nowadays. There 503 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: are these people. So the fact that Clyde Edward Laire 504 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: ran a four six one forty does that bother you? 505 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 1: Not at all? Because his game is not that. His 506 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: game is between the tackles. His game is a physical game. 507 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: He can catch the football. This guy is a chain 508 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: mover and his competitive nature is off the charts. I 509 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: like him. That doesn't bother me at all. You know 510 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: what Reet Brian likes to talk about more than even 511 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: his daughter. No, that's not true. Almost as much as Gracie. 512 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: He likes to talk about defensive tackles in the twenty 513 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: twenty NFL draft, Reet Brian, give me some of the 514 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: defensive tackles that you like. Okay, well, ray Quan Williams 515 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: Michigan State, UH Richard Lawrence Lsu and I mentioned some 516 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: earlier in this and I go back to Neville Gallimore 517 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: from Oklahoma, and I mentioned he's six two three or 518 00:25:54,240 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 1: four forty, the Ottawa Madman there. According to esp in 519 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: Stat's information, Gallimore is just one of three defensive linemen 520 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: to post a sub four eighty since two thousand and six. Wow, 521 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: so again top Canadian prospect out of high school in 522 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen before he redshirters freshman year at Oklahoma. I 523 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: mentioned the Davis twins of Nebraska, Carlos and Khalil good 524 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: combined workouts by them. Khalil's four seven five forty and 525 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: Carlos's four eight two forty are the other two top 526 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: big men speeds in this combine in this thing. A 527 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: guy that really helped himself in this group that is 528 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: coming on and this is Malcolm Rose from Texas. He's 529 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: a run stopping specialist. He's got the body of a 530 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: three technique six to two ninety seven, he's four eight 531 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: four and the forty thirty inch vertical leap for a 532 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: big guy nine five broad jump in this thing. A 533 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: guy that didn't help himself that I know we're gonna 534 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: get to is Derek Brown from Abrange. He's still a 535 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 1: the pick of the litters, all right, So let Derek 536 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: Brown and Brown beast for the Auburn Tigers. Beast didn't 537 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: have a great combine, Coach Mack, does Derek Brown drop 538 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,239 Speaker 1: very much because of his combine? No, No, not at all. 539 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: There's too much. There's too much evidence on the tape 540 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,239 Speaker 1: there he does not, and especially when you ask him 541 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: what to do. And that's and that's kind of the 542 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: yang and the yang of the combine. And you've got 543 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: to you've got to trust your eyes, you've got to 544 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,479 Speaker 1: trust what the film says. And then just and it 545 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 1: wasn't like he was awful. It's just like some of 546 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: the big when you start, once you get when you 547 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: get to the combine, sometimes the environment, especially the external 548 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: environment of the combine is you got to wow somebody 549 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 1: with numbers to be a good football player. That could 550 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: not be further from the truth. This guy's a good 551 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: football player that won't touch it at all. Quarterbacks get 552 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: a lot of attention at the NFL Combine. I mean 553 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: for good reason. They're important guys. But what was the 554 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,959 Speaker 1: top combine story and your guy's opinion when it comes 555 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: to the quarterback group RTT Well, I'm going to go 556 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: back to an earlier OTP and I think it's too 557 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: a tongue of Aloa winning the medical combine as he 558 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: wanted to do. And as we all know in this 559 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: the medical information that's cultivated out of this and it 560 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: is gleaned and the interviews are the biggest things that 561 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: evaluators and coaches and gms get out of this deal. 562 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 1: And his hospital visit there in Indianapolis to check out 563 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 1: that hip that had been fractured began at ten am Eastern. 564 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: It lasted nine more hours. But the thing is the 565 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: hips all good. He should be back to running and 566 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: showing off more of those kinds of skills by the 567 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: time that his pro day rolls around April the ninth, 568 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: which is timely in this thing because that happens to 569 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: be about three weeks plus from the NFL Draft. But 570 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: he won the medical combine in this and he was 571 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: a big story that first couple of days. Now, I 572 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: think people just wanted to see with their own eyes, 573 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: Jordan Love. You wanted to get in person and talk 574 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: with him, because there's a lot to work through there. 575 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: The quarterback from Utah State. Quarterback from Utah State. I 576 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: think that was that everybody was had that he did 577 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: all the drills, and you know, I would have loved 578 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: to have been on an interview with him, you know, 579 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: just to just to vet that guy and see what 580 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: he was. But there were a lot of people talking 581 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: about him, all right, So as we talk, let's discuss linebackers. 582 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: Kenneth Murray Oklahoma Patrick Queen Lsu both ran good forty times. 583 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: But then they pulled hamstrings. Did that Did that hurt 584 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: either one of us? Well? That bothered me. That bothered 585 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: me a lot when I was sitting up there with 586 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: a linebacker group, and I sit with a pretty big 587 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: linebacker group during those drills. You know that I have 588 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: for years. You know, some of the faces have gotten younger, 589 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: but some of them have stayed the same. And when 590 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: both of those guys ran and Murray ran a four 591 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: or five two on us first one, Queen ran a 592 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: four or five. Oh, and both of us, both of 593 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: us said, don't run another one. Don't want to run 594 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: another one. It's just like Isaiah Simmons when he came 595 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: out and jumped out what he did. Everybody said, don't 596 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: run another one? Just why? Four? Why? And and both 597 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: of them did, and they both they both tweaked to 598 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: ham I mean that bothered me. That will not hurt 599 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: their draft stock, but it will probably hurt their school workouts. Okay, 600 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: And there's gonna be a lot of people in it 601 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: because both of these guys are legit, I mean legit, 602 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: and I potential first round pick. Yes, they are, Mike, 603 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: and I didn't I didn't know. I didn't know what 604 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: you know Murray. I knew Queen better than I knew 605 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: Murray because I do that coach to coach show with 606 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: with you know, Doug Matthews during the year, and it 607 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: covers the Southeastern Conference, so I knew about him. I 608 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: didn't know that much about Murray at Oklahoma and they 609 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: haven't played defense at Oklahoma in ten years, you know. 610 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: But but this this guy since the Selman's Yeah, since 611 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: the Selman's Bosworth, Yeah, but this guy is legit and 612 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: he is legitimate, and uh, anyway, it bothered me, it 613 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: won't hurt their dress dog. Now, Mack, you mentioned that 614 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons ran a four three nine rhet. Do you 615 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: think that that surprised teams that saw him run that? 616 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: I initially said yes, but I'm gonna say maybe, and 617 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: I'll tell you why, because you remember, this guy was 618 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: asked to drop back in coverage and play some safety 619 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: at Clemson. Let me give you some of the stats 620 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: in this thing, because he was listed with the linebackers 621 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: group in this end linebackers, measuring in at six four, 622 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: He's in the ninety third percentile in height, thirty nine 623 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: inch vertical leap, ninety second percentile in that eleven foot 624 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: broad jump, ninety eight percentile, four three nine, the ninety 625 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: ninth percentile in linebackers. But unlike the aff we're mentioned 626 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: Kenneth Murray and Queen, he smartly ran a four thirty 627 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: nine on that first attempt. Shut it down. Teams will 628 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: get a further look at him on March the twelfth 629 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: at Clemson's Pro day. Well, Mac, so where does he play? 630 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: Is he a safety or is he a linebacker? Where 631 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: does he fit in the national photo? I think somebody 632 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: will start him out on the open side as a 633 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: dropdown guy and then use him everywhere in the sub packages. 634 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: We've already talked about sub packages being sixty percent of 635 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: your defense. Now, I mean what I've seen some beautiful athletes, 636 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: you know, in thirty five years at the combine, beautiful athlete. 637 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: This guy whoa, whoa, it's a whoa. I mean when 638 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: you just see him and you I mean, there are 639 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: some guys when they come up to the starting gates, 640 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: you go okay, and then just this guy. I think 641 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: they'll start him out though, on the open side. But 642 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: don't think he won't do what he did at Clemson. 643 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: He will. He will play, he will drop down, he 644 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: will match This guy is a perfect for what's going on. 645 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: This is a perfect tight end matchup guy. You know 646 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: how you have all those big combat catchers at tight ends, now, 647 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: I mean, this guy is a perfect matchup. If you're 648 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: going to go in and play against somebody even that's 649 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: got a wide receiver, that's a combat catcher that look, 650 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: you're talking about four, three, nine guys and so he 651 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: it's not like that he's going to be outrun by 652 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: very many receivers. Just squared up and as big and 653 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: as long as he is, this guy is a beautiful, 654 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: beautiful chess piece for a defense to use to match 655 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: up a lot of places. Dabbo Sweeney's defensive staff at 656 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: Clemson did a great job utilizing this kid. They absolutely did. 657 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: They absolutely did. You know, Brent Venables, who's their defensive coordinator, 658 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: I know very well he's a next Kansas State guy. 659 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: He does an excellent, excellent job. I've seen his playbook, 660 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: you know, I know what it is and what he does. 661 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: He does a lot of things akin to what goes 662 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: on in the national Football League. This guy whoever gets 663 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: this chess piece is going to be really happy. And 664 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: given what Coach Max just talked about, with his freakish 665 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: athletic ability and measurables and skill set, I think he's 666 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: the wild card defensive first round player in the draft 667 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: that Thursday night. Somebody could take him top five if 668 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: they just love him so much they don't think they 669 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: can live without him. Yeah, it's like having a star player, 670 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: a guy that plays the star position like Minca Fitzpatrick 671 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: on steroids. Yeah right, not, but not because he wouldn't 672 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,719 Speaker 1: be playing four games minimum. And I know what you're mean, 673 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: absolutely as poor choice of words. That's okay, that's pretty good. Actually, 674 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: it's all right, funny, all right, Coach Mack, a bunch 675 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: of new drills at the combine. You like a bunch 676 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: of the new drills. We can't run through all of them. 677 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: Give me three of them that you really thought better 678 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: showcased the players football. I like to do Staley drill. 679 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: And here's what Staley drill. And here's what I like. 680 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: You know, do Staley as assistant head coach run game 681 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: coordinator at Philly. Here here's the thing I liked about 682 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: about do Staley's drill. And when you go to school workouts, 683 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: these are guys that are working out the guys because 684 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: you understand how school workout goes when you go, you know, 685 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: the the scouts set it up, but then they turn 686 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: the individual drills after they've done all their testing, they 687 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: turn that over to position coaches. There are some guys 688 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: that just you go to and you know we're gonna 689 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: be there. Do Staley that he runs a te He 690 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: runs a drill he called the T drill, puts two 691 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 1: bags together and then puts elongated bag and forms a 692 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: tea and then then they face him and they do 693 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: a lot of footwork within that tea, and then they 694 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: also come off and then evade after a real short stroke, 695 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: you know, coming out of that, out of that, out 696 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: of that tea, and what that What that shows you 697 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 1: because you've watched inside zone runs, outside zone runs, the 698 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: quick decisions back runners have to make and the foot 699 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: fire that they have to have inside to be able 700 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 1: to jump gaps and do those types of things and 701 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: then evade second levels, you know, coming off not coming 702 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: off flat. But that's what the t's for. It's it's 703 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 1: to make them come off with a little bit of separation. 704 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: I love the tea drill that he did. I mean 705 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: that one I really really like. Then then I like 706 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: the drill Terrell Austen does. Terrell Austen, you know, is 707 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: a is a defensive back coach. He's now a senior 708 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: defensive assistant. And what he does, what is more realistic 709 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: than just the long flip turns. You know this, you 710 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: don't ever see, you know what what what he does 711 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: with his it's backpedal five break down. He'll at a 712 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: forty five degree angle catch a ball, then he'll backpedal 713 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: five open the ninety What you have to do sometimes 714 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: on out route, sprint to a spot and then and 715 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: then break down and turn one hundred and eighty degrees 716 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: because the quarterback now has taken his directional key the 717 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: other way, and then go and catch it. And I 718 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: mean he has done that for years, And all the 719 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: school workouts that I've gone to I really like. And 720 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,320 Speaker 1: my favorite of all and I was glad it's a 721 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: Jim Washburn drill. Jim Washburn drill. Jim Washburn drill, I 722 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: mean and Jim Washburn anytime that you went to work 723 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: out a player and Jim Washban was there of the 724 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: defensive line. You knew you were going to watch a 725 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: defensive lineman get a quality workout. And it's done with 726 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 1: the two hoops that former figure eight when you set 727 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: them together. And Jim used to do it with you know, 728 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: wash used to do it with tennis balls. They did 729 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: it at the combine with rolled up towels that were wrapped, 730 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: you know together. But you go and you bend, and 731 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: what it does. It sees if you can stay in 732 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: that motorcycle lean for an extended band, but also not 733 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: just run, but be able to balance and and to 734 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: pick up that You pick up the towel and take 735 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: it to the other corner of the or the other 736 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: side of the circumference you're running, to drop it and 737 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: then pick up with the alternate hand another one on 738 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: the way. It's a great drill. Wash used to do 739 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: it all the time. I love it. I'm glad they 740 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: incorporated it there, and I'm glad they gave him a 741 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: shout out on the network, you know broadcast. This is 742 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,319 Speaker 1: the Jim Washburn drill. Of course, Daniel Jeremiah knows Jim 743 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: Washburn because well because he and he and Jeremiah and 744 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,240 Speaker 1: Jeremiah Washburn worked together at Baltimore in a tremendous scouting department, 745 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: you know, for Ozzie Newsom. All right, where you've got 746 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: to wrap this thing up. We've talked about a lot 747 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 1: of stuff, So I want everybody to think about your 748 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: three players who helped themselves the most at the combine. 749 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: Mac You've got a notebook to flip through, So I'm 750 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: gonna start with ratt. Okay, I've got one on offense 751 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: and two on defense, and I will start with the 752 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: guy that I think was the story of the big 753 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: men in Indianapolis, and that's McKay Beckton, the tackle out 754 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: of Louisville, one of the biggest men in this draft. 755 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,280 Speaker 1: Six foot seven, three eights inches, three hundred sixty four pounds, 756 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: arms thirty five and five eights, wingspan over eighty three inches, 757 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: twenty three reps at two twenty five. But the most 758 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: impressive thing he ran a five eleven forty time at 759 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: three hundred sixty four pounds. To put that in perspective, 760 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,720 Speaker 1: it's one tenth slower than quarterback Jake from who weighs 761 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: one hundred forty five pounds less than McKay Beckton. At 762 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 1: at his size only seventeen percent body fat, so he 763 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: is in pretty dog gone good shape. He was a 764 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,399 Speaker 1: conversation of the big men of the combine. Coach Mack 765 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: will say he'll never have to run forty yards, but 766 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 1: he could do it if he had to. That's the first. 767 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 1: It's the first to give us your other two. Justin Mattabek. 768 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: He's the one interior defensive lineman that I have not 769 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 1: mentioned in all this and could be a pass right 770 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,399 Speaker 1: Texas an ax his A and M six two five 771 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: eight two ninety three wingspan over eighty inches, ran A 772 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 1: four eight three forty third among all interior linemen at 773 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: two ninety three thirty one reps at two twenty five, 774 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 1: in the top five with that category of the three 775 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty seven that were invited, and had the 776 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: best three cone drill time, which shows that lateral movement 777 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: at seven three one initial reports we're talking about. He 778 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 1: didn't have a good first step get off, but he 779 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,720 Speaker 1: had one point seven four second split in the forty 780 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: That as a guy that's rising up the charts in 781 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 1: this and the last one is a guy and had 782 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: off field trouble with Mississippi State. He was suspended nine 783 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,839 Speaker 1: eight games during twenty twenty nineteen, had an altercation right 784 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 1: here at the Music City Bowl with his freshman quarterback. 785 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,839 Speaker 1: And that's Willie Gay, junior of Mississippi State. Six one 786 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: and one eights, two forty three hands, an enormous ten 787 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 1: and four eight inches wingspan at seventy eight inches. He 788 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: ran a forty yard dash in four four six, had 789 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: an eleven foot four inch broad jump, and a thirty 790 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: nine and a half inch vertical. This is a guy 791 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 1: if the interviews went well about whatever happened off the field. 792 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 1: Is another linebacker prospect that is rising. Justin Jefferson the LSU. 793 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 1: We've already talked about him going in and I'm looking 794 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 1: at my notes here. I got verse to wide receiver 795 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,439 Speaker 1: skills to play from slot to outside, great route runner, hands, 796 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 1: ball skills. But he showed the speed that he has. 797 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,360 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody thought that he had the speed 798 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: that he did. I thought he helped himselves. And along 799 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,879 Speaker 1: that line, I talked about the tight Ends not being 800 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: a real deep group. I thought two tight ends helped himselves. 801 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,879 Speaker 1: Albert Okweebinamen from from Missouri. I mean, look, he didn't 802 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: have a great year this year. We all know that. 803 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,800 Speaker 1: But six five, two hundred and fifty pounds, the second 804 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: fastest guy for a player that size. He ran four 805 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: four nine. Okay, And so you're talking about a guy 806 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: that big, that can run that fast. You'll find a 807 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 1: place for him. You'll fix him, all right. Missouri had 808 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,280 Speaker 1: problems besides him. But this guy, this guy helped himself 809 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: a lot. Another tight end, Joseph of Josiah du Quarra 810 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 1: from since Nattie. This tight end helped himself. He's six two, 811 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: two hundred and forty two pounds, twenty five bench press 812 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,800 Speaker 1: thirty five and a half vert four seven two forty. 813 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: This is a guy that you can split out. People 814 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,919 Speaker 1: are using so many h backs in twelve personnel right now. 815 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,439 Speaker 1: He helped himself quite a He helped himself quite a bit. 816 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,799 Speaker 1: Can we give Mac a round of applause from the 817 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: names that he just whipped out of there like that. 818 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 1: I came in with my pronunciation chart to say noah igbinogny, 819 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 1: and I thought that I was just going to blow 820 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: you all out of the water. Max over here just 821 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 1: ripping these names like he had dinner with him last week. 822 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: This is not his first round Okay, So we don't 823 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: have we don't have a typical what's brewing on this 824 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 1: edition of the OTP, but I do have a what's 825 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 1: brewing for each of you to basically say possible or 826 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 1: not as realistic. I've pulled five five mock drafts post Combine, okay, 827 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,359 Speaker 1: and I've looked at who they have selected in these 828 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: mock drafts for the Titans. I want to see what 829 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 1: you think, beginning with coach Mack, and then we'll work around. 830 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 1: All right, So Amy, you're involved in this too. This 831 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,880 Speaker 1: is your what's brewing assignment as well? Can I say this? 832 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,279 Speaker 1: I like is involved? I usually get tricked in this, 833 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:23,319 Speaker 1: No trick. ESPN's Todd McShay says, the Tennessee Titans, with 834 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 1: the twenty ninth pick will select Andrew Thomas, offensive tackle Georgia. 835 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: Coach Mack could that happen? Yes, Amy wells, sure, absolutely 836 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 1: it could, all right. NFL Networks Daniel Jeremiah says, with 837 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 1: the twenty ninth pick, the Tennessee Titans select Joshua Jones, 838 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 1: offensive tackle Houston. No, yes, yes, says coach Mack. The 839 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:52,759 Speaker 1: Athletics Dane Brugler says at pick number twenty nine, the 840 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans select Ezra Cleveland offensive tackle Boise State. You 841 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,239 Speaker 1: heard that name already, you said it. You heard that 842 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 1: name already. H to me, maybe not not there, okay, 843 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 1: I'd take it. Not there, lower, not there, okay. So 844 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,719 Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated puts together their own mock and with the 845 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,320 Speaker 1: twenty ninth pick, Sports Illustrated says, the Tennessee Titans select 846 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 1: Kristen Fulton cornerback lsu Rett Bryant. I could absolutely see that, okay, yes, yes, 847 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,400 Speaker 1: I agree to Bleacher Reports. Matt Miller says, with the 848 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: twenty ninth pick, aim, you're going first here, okay. With 849 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:33,320 Speaker 1: the twenty ninth pick, the Tennessee Titans select Jonathan Taylor, 850 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 1: running back Wisconsin. No, yes, yes, really, Oh, that guy's 851 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:44,359 Speaker 1: a big dude. Yes, this is why we played the game. 852 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:50,320 Speaker 1: He read what was his forty at the combine and 853 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,000 Speaker 1: that's for a dude, a big dude. Now, the only 854 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,799 Speaker 1: concern I have for him, that's none, that's not mine, 855 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 1: And I know what you're gonna say. It is the 856 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,759 Speaker 1: wear and tear. He has nine hundred and thirty six 857 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:06,719 Speaker 1: carries in this game. But that's what they have, right 858 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 1: nearly a thousand carries in college. Guess which game we're 859 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,279 Speaker 1: gonna keep playing through the rest of the spray. Hey, nah, 860 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,239 Speaker 1: it's correct. Rhet Brian, how do people follow you on 861 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 1: the Twitter machine? At Rhett that's our H E T T. 862 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 1: The letter B Tennessee at Rhet B Tennessee. All right, 863 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 1: Amy Wells at Titans Amy, AM I E. And Coach 864 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 1: mac is on one O four five the Zone our 865 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 1: station in Nashville. How many times a week? Now? Well, Rhet, 866 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,040 Speaker 1: Now we're on all the day up residence there. We 867 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 1: were on all day yesterday with the with the you know, 868 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 1: with the tornado, sure, which was But anyway, I'm on 869 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 1: there a lot. I'm on I'm on there a lot. 870 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,479 Speaker 1: I'm on here a lot too. That's good stuff, good 871 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:51,040 Speaker 1: good stuff. So thanking Coach Mack and Rhett Brian, Titans 872 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,319 Speaker 1: Radio's draft duo, and for Amy Wells. Mike Keith says, 873 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 1: thanks for being with us for this edition of the O. T. 874 00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 1: T