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Speaker 1: He's a songwriter. She was a singer. Uh. Just a wonderful, wonderful,

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Speaker 1: but we're gonna be talking about the book that I

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming back and talking to

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Speaker 1: from your farm? I'm calling you from my farm where

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Speaker 1: I'm folding laundry as we speak. Lots of little girl clothes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I have a bunch. I'm kind of embarrassed to say,

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Speaker 1: you really don't need that many, but it's a bunch

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Speaker 1: because you need the darker blue ones for like church service. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Have you heard the I'm sure you have um Willie

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Speaker 1: of become my mantra. You know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's uh.

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