1 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: Body Backs with Joseph Scott Morgan blood guilty to one 2 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: of the most brutal murders in recent memory. And I'm 3 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: talking about the murder of thirteen year old Tristan Bailey. 4 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body Bags with 5 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: me today is Dave mac He's a reporter crime reporter 6 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: for Crime Online. David, you've at least had an insight 7 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: into this case, and I think the whole country has 8 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: for a while now. And we had an expectation that 9 00:00:55,400 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: there was gonna be a trial, that maybe some viable 10 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: explanation could be offered up to us as to why 11 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: someone would want to perpetrate this kind of act on 12 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: this child. But I think that we're going to be 13 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,559 Speaker 1: left wanting I think you're a hundred percent right, Joe. 14 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: Here we're talking about a thirteen year old girl and 15 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: at the time of fourteen year old boy, and the 16 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: crime is so heinous that the fourteen year old is 17 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: going to be tried as an adult. He's now sixteen. 18 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: You mentioned saying, I'm sorry, what does it really mean? Well, 19 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 1: that's what he did yesterday. We're getting ready for the trial. 20 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: Thought we might find some answers there, but no, we 21 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: have a gruesome attack. Thirteen year old Tristan Bailey went 22 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: out for an evening of celebration with her family. They 23 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: got home around eve PM and she was seen by 24 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,559 Speaker 1: a sibling around midnight. Tristan was supposed to be sleeping 25 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: in her bedroom, but the following morning, Mother's Day, Tristan 26 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: didn't come out of her room for breakfast and it 27 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: was discovered she was not in her room. Tristan's mother 28 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: calls nine one one around ten am and a search begins. 29 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: While police, friends, and neighbors search for Tristan on foot. 30 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: Investigators loc security videos of the area and put together 31 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: a timeline of what happened in the early morning hours. 32 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: Security video shows Tristan walking in the neighborhood at twelve 33 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: thirty am, about thirty minutes after her siblings are in 34 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: her bedroom. At one am, Tristan Bailey is seen on 35 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: video walking with what appears to be fourteen year old 36 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: Aidan Fucci. At one forty five am, a home surveillance 37 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 1: camera on Saddlestone Drive captures the two teens walking east 38 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: on the sidewalk. At three thirty am, that same surveillance 39 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: camera catches Aidan Fucci walking alone, heading in the opposite direction, 40 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: carrying white Nike shoes. Minutes later, video shows Aidan Fucci 41 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: entering his home carrying white Nike shoes. Tristan was not 42 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: with him. Between the time Tristan is last seen on 43 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: video Alive at one forty five am and when Fucci 44 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: has seen on video going into his home less than 45 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 1: two hours later, investigators say Fucci attack Tristan with a knife, 46 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: stabbing her one fourteen times and then tossing the knife 47 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: in upon. We have a gruesome attack that happened in 48 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: a quiet neighborhood. A thirteen year old cheerleader in a 49 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: suburb of Jacksonville, Florida, and a boy who is disturbed. 50 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: He's got drawings of crazy stuff and he's told friends. Joe, 51 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: He's told friends, I'm thinking about I could kill somebody 52 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: and I will take them into the woods. I'll lure 53 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: them into the woods and I will slice their throat. 54 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: I will stab them to death at fourteen. That's how 55 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: he's talking to friends. It always amazes me. I think 56 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: that looking back on my career as a medical legal 57 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: death investigator and the stuff that I was exposed to 58 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: certainly from a professional perspective, but the things that I've 59 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: viewed out there that I would come in contact not 60 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: just on a weekly basis, but on a daily basis 61 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,119 Speaker 1: many times, these things that you know, you you don't 62 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: want to talk about, you you don't want to kind 63 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: of expose particularly your loved ones too. But yet you'll 64 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: have a boy essentially that longs, that actually longs to 65 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: perpetrate something like this. They don't understand, I think the 66 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: the depths of sorrow they're about to unleash on a family. 67 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: Why this question, you know, you never actually get an 68 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: answer to most of the time, But you know, for 69 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: a moment, you pause and you think, did she have 70 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: an awareness? And I think that she did. Obviously she 71 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: certainly had an awareness. They were walking together, They were 72 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: ambling down that that sidewalk which is caught on CCTV 73 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: together headed toward that wooded area. What for a moment 74 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: did you think the endgame was going to be in 75 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: her innocent mind at that moment in time. But yet 76 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: that he has been having fantasies about this and thinking 77 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: about it and expressing this to two individuals within his 78 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: circle goes to an entirely different level. You begin to 79 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: think what seed was planted within him that would drive 80 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: him to this where he would not just do it, 81 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: but be prepared to do it in advance. You think, 82 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: was he fantasizing about this for a protracted period of time. 83 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: How many other people are out there that he had 84 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: kind of sized up, maybe in his own way profiled 85 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: if you will. Is this somebody that I could get 86 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: alone just for a moment to indulge this fantasy, And 87 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: of course it's very prominal. You don't know that he's 88 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: thinking beyond that from an evidentiary standpoint. You know, things 89 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: that we're going to look for as as forensic scientists 90 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: that would be automatic tie backs. He's not thinking anywhere 91 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: beyond that moment, that that thrill that he receives. Some 92 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: people used to use the term thrill killer. That term 93 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: came up, I think in the late fifties. Perhaps we've 94 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: heard about thrill killing for sometime, and was this merely 95 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: a thrill killing or is it something that's much deeper 96 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: and much darker? And it's certainly I think at least 97 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: it's certainly evidence that the evil certainly does exist. You know, 98 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: the one thing that we do have Joe's we do 99 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: have a timeline. Ten o'clock that morning, Tristan's mother calls 100 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: reports her daughter missing and again remember they thought she 101 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: was in bed, So ten am she's reported missing. They 102 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: start looking. Late in the afternoon, Florida Missing Childhood has 103 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: issued six o'clock, A resident who had been on a 104 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: run reports a dead body. Eight o'clock that night, the 105 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: Sheriff's office announced the body found. They preliminarily identified her 106 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: as Tristan. The sheriff says her death was horrific Joe. 107 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: When the investigators search Aidan Fuci's home, they find a 108 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: buck brand knife sheath, a pair of wet white Nike 109 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: shoes with blood on them, a T shirt with blood 110 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: on it, a white piece of paper with handwriting with 111 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: possible blood, and a pair of wet blue denim genes 112 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: in the laundry basket. They also find blood and dirt 113 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: on the drain in the bathroom sink next to Aiden's bedroom. 114 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: How is it possible for forensics to pull the blood 115 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: in whatever out of genes that have already been washed well, 116 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: sometimes within the context of the structure of the gene. 117 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: Talking about if if you don't use the right kind 118 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: of detergent, something that's going to eradicate a lot of 119 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: the proteins they're associated with blood. There can always be 120 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: something found that is not initially recognizable. Forensically, we talked 121 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: about things relative to and I know the sounds rather simplistic, 122 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: but we talked about things from the perspective of we 123 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: can see things that can be seen with the unaided eye, 124 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: and then things that have to be seen with the 125 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: aided eye. And not many people have heard that phraseology before, 126 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: but it's certainly a term that is used regularly in 127 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: medical legal community. And what that means is that if 128 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: I look at an area questioned area, for instance, on 129 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: a pair of blue jeans, even if they are wet, 130 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: there might be a stain. They're a question stain that 131 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: will stand out above the rest. Because even if you 132 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: get an area that has been previously supersaturated with blood, 133 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: you apply water to it, the water will have an 134 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: appearance that is specific to it. In the nature of water. However, 135 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: as we know, you can still appreciate an underlying stain 136 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: if you apply some type of detergent to that area 137 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: and begin to scrub it. How many folks in the 138 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: audience have ever had the experience of saying, you know what, 139 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: I can't get to stain out. It's set in at 140 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 1: this point in time, and many times, no matter how 141 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: much you scrub it, you might get it to diminish 142 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: to a certain degree, but it takes time to eradicate 143 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: that the essence of the blood itself, everything that's associated 144 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: with various components of blood, and it will be deep 145 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: within the fibers of this material. And so the next 146 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: step then, after you've kind of visualized this area to 147 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,599 Speaker 1: suspect area, you're going to apply any type of re 148 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: agent that they have that is going to give you 149 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: an indication that there may or may not be blood there. 150 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: That's something that will be reactive. You begin to think 151 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: about things like luminol perhaps, or you think about things 152 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: like a meato black. They're applied to specific areas. If 153 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: you can get a sample that's viable, and then you 154 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: can do a DNA profile on it, we have the 155 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: linkage of her parents, and we can take swaps from 156 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: the parents. We can build a DNA profile and say 157 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: definitively pretty much definitively, then let's see, well the phraseology 158 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: ists generally used, it's within a reasonable scientific certainty right, 159 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: and so you can actually say, Okay, this is in fact, 160 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: this is in fact Justin's blood. And if that's the case, 161 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: the bigger question has to be asked, how in the 162 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: world did this thirteen year old girl's blood wind up 163 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: on this kid's pants, or on his shirt, or on 164 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: his shoes, maybe on the sheath or maybe even a weapon. 165 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: There are certain cases out there. As an investigator, when 166 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: you show up that when you see the devastation at 167 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: out of scene and what has happened to a young 168 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: life like this, you you want answers and you want 169 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: them quickly. First off, I think that if you're a parent, 170 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: you look at this and you say that could be 171 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: my child. And secondly, there's an urgency to it too. 172 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: And the urgency is is that if someone would do this, 173 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: is the rest of our community, Is the rest of 174 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: the city, the county Are they at risk as well? 175 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: Because if they will go to these links to literally 176 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: rip a young life to shreds, no one else is safe. 177 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: And that's why there was such a push and such 178 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: a concerted effort to determine what had happened and to 179 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: get this person off the street. I wanted to back 180 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: up just a minute, because when we were breaking down 181 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 1: the timeline, I might have rushed over what we were 182 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: dealing with there, because you're starting with the first report 183 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,599 Speaker 1: at ten am in on Sunday morning of Hey, my 184 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: daughter is missing. My thirteen year old daughter. I thought 185 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: she was in bed. She's nice here, and so immediately 186 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: the police start pulling, the investigators start pulling everything they 187 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: can along the street from the standpoint of security cameras 188 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: and things like that. I'm sure they were doing cell 189 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: phone tracking. You hear about that a lot, and they 190 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: were able to They being the investigators, were able to 191 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: basically using the footage from the neighborhood in this cul 192 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: de sac, they were able to actually see Tristan walking 193 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: down the street with this I was gonna say unidentified individual, 194 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: but based on the neighborhood size and things like that, 195 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: they were pretty much able to zero in on a 196 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: possible suspect with not suspect at the time, but the 197 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 1: person walking with her. They had a loose identification of 198 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: who they thought it might be. So you've got the 199 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: entire neighborhood outlooking for Tristan and the police are bearing 200 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: down on who's with her because they see them go 201 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: into the woods together and they see one coming out 202 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: alone and identify who that individual is their first course 203 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: of action? How do they do that, Joe? How did 204 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: they track that person that they're following and try to 205 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: figure out who is this person that goes into the 206 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: woods with Tristan and comes out without her? Very simply put, 207 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: it's it's cell phone data, you know those things that 208 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: these these instruments that can be used for good and bad, 209 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: that are tracking our movements all along the way, and 210 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: so every time you make a movement that they have 211 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: this so fine tuned now, Dave, where there are tools 212 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: that you can use to identify how many steps and 213 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: individuals taken. Can you imagine that to get an idea 214 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: their progression tracking them along a pathway, and they don't 215 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: have it fine tuned to the point where it will 216 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: give you absolute data, but it will be a fantastic approximation. 217 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 1: That was the key. You think about how all this 218 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: kicked off relative to the mother calling it in. But 219 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: you have to back up kind of just a little 220 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: bit before up, because the way Tristan's mother became aware 221 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: that Tristan was not there is that her siblings had 222 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: actually gone in to the bedroom to wake her up. 223 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: I don't know what her common habits were. Well I 224 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: can tell you that morning it was it was Mother's Day. 225 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: It was they were going to cook a big breakfast 226 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: for mom. Yeah, I know. And that's that's the heartbreaking 227 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: part of it. The siblings are excited about this, you know, 228 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: they want Tristan to be involved in this. They celebrate 229 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: Mom and they walk in and can you imagine their 230 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: reaction these kids when they walk in there and sisters 231 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: not in there, Well, immediately they're going to be line 232 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: for mom. You know, I don't know about in your 233 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: family and my family. When my kids were little, it 234 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: was a big deal. Mother's Day was a big deal 235 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: because you want to take care of mom. You want 236 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: to demonstrate to her how much you love her, do 237 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: little things for her like cook breakfast. And so immediately 238 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: parent panic absolutely sets in. And we're not talking about 239 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: even a sixteen year old here, Dave, talking about thirteen 240 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: year old. This is a child and she's gone, She's 241 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: not there, and there's no signs of any kind of 242 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: forced entry break in. It's not like her bedroom window 243 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: is necessarily has been broken out in order for somebody 244 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: to have come in to snatch her. So you begin 245 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: to develop this narrative as an investigator, and of course 246 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: this is going to point back to this digital evidence 247 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: that's there, that is going to be tracking all the 248 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: way along, and you begin to narrow down your list 249 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: of suspects who might have had accessibility to her, who 250 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: was in her friend group, if you will, who might 251 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: have had the potential to lure her outside of that home, 252 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: and what did they use in order to lure her, 253 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: And of course their darkest fears came to fruition as 254 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: the investigation starts with the missing person family members. Sorry, 255 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: at midnight and ten am the next morning, she's and 256 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: so we already have that window. We know it took 257 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: place in that time period, and then her body was found. Now, Joe, 258 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: I I don't even really know how to ask you this, 259 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: and I don't want to offend anybody, but I'm trying 260 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: to picture what it would take to actually cut a person. 261 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: I've never stabbed a person. I see it in movies. 262 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: We talked about it on the show. But we've got 263 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: a hundred and four stab wounds, Joe, We've got thirty 264 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: five stab wounds to the head and neck. And the 265 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: question I have for you is, according to investigators, around 266 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: forty nine defensive stab wounds on her hands, arms, and face. 267 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: How do you figure out defensive wound versus non defensive 268 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: wound when you're doing an examination of remains that have 269 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: been subjected to shark fource injuries and the sharp force 270 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: injuries come in three different categories. That's generally whether we 271 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 1: look at them. First off, you have puncture wounds that 272 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: can range all the way from an ice pick. When 273 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: I first started working in the field, old guys used 274 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: to carry ice picks in their boots, are in their shoes. 275 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: They would carry them as as primarily a defensive weapon, 276 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: or inside their sock. Imagine how uncomfortable that was. Well, 277 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: a puncture one can range all the way from an 278 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: ice pick to somebody being impaled on a on a 279 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: piece of rebar, on a tree branch. That's a puncture 280 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: wound and even down finer than than an ice pick. 281 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: We refer to needles as in p w s, which 282 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: are actually needle puncture wounds. You'll see them abbreviated in 283 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: in in medical records is in pws. And that goes 284 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: to like administration of drugs perhaps sometimes. Then the next 285 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: category we have our incized wounds. Some people would say slices, 286 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: but incized is more accurate. And in size wind can 287 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: be everything from a surgeon making an incision to start 288 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: some type of procedure, for instance, or it can range 289 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: all the way up to somebody being decapitated. That could 290 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: be an incised wound, all right. And there's multiple little 291 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: variations beneath that category, and of course that brings us 292 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: to stab wounds, and stab wounds are a category where 293 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: we term them, and this is kind of how we 294 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 1: separate stabs from in sized wounds. Stab wounds themselves are 295 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: generally more narrow and deep, okay. Slices or in size 296 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: wounds are shallow, okay, shallow and long, all right. So 297 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: that's kind of how you delineate between two. And when 298 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 1: you begin to think about this kind of number, when 299 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: you're getting into those numbers that are above about thirty okay, 300 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 1: and we're way in excess of that, sometimes it's very 301 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:57,479 Speaker 1: difficult and the morgue to begin to understand what is 302 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 1: and is not a singular wound, because you can have 303 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: wounds that are communicating, and that's one of the like 304 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: when I say communicating, if you've got someone that is 305 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: attacking someone there, obviously they're in very close proximity, and 306 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: every time that knife has driven in, you'll have injuries 307 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: where the intersection of certain injuries are it's hard to 308 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: delineate between the two. You can have overlapping injuries, so 309 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: something that you might be counting as one might actually 310 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 1: be too if you were to look at it in reality, 311 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: and that is important to see people think. A lot 312 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: of people would say, well, Morgan, why is it so essential, Well, 313 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: you're you're telling the story of of what happened to 314 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 1: the poor victim. The victims certainly can't speak for themselves, 315 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: and the accused is going to have every person in 316 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: the world speaking on their behalf and they don't have 317 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: to say anything in court. But you want to be 318 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,239 Speaker 1: able to tell the victim's story. And that's why it's 319 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: so important when we begin to count these things out 320 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: in the Morgan and trust me, it's it's hard, you 321 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: don't want to do it, but it's something that that 322 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 1: is essential. So when you get to that point and 323 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: you have to assess the injuries themselves, and we're just 324 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: talking about on the surface, Okay, When we open the 325 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: remains and we begin to look at the track of 326 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: the stab wounds, those are going to be kind of 327 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: classified as shallow or deep. There can be a medium 328 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: thickness to them. What you're trying to do is assess 329 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: what kind of damage, because you can have a stab wound, 330 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: for instance, that passes through the top layer of skin. 331 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: Obviously we have the epidermis, the dermis subcu fat and 332 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: then you're going through that level, maybe some muscle, and 333 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: you get to a rib, well, the the stab wound 334 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: itself will abruptly stop right Whereas if that stab wound 335 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: were to be moved, say just two centimeters, you might 336 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: go through the intercostal space, which is the muscular area 337 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: between the ribs, and now you're into the organs, you're 338 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: into the heart, and the lungs, liver depend upon where 339 00:20:55,280 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: the wound is actually associated are identified, and so you 340 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: have to take the measure of all these and kind 341 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: of an interesting method of examination that we will use 342 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 1: in this way. If we do this, we can avoid 343 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 1: showing graphic photos in the morgue because you know, stab wounds. 344 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: When you're trying to display these things, they're gonna be 345 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: viewed by the defense and by the court. I guess 346 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: it's very prejudicial because they're so very gory. But what 347 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: we will do is we'll take um a plastic overlay 348 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: after the body is cleaned, and we will lay that 349 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: over the body. And did you know that we can 350 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: take a marker and we can actually do a hand 351 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:42,479 Speaker 1: rendering of each one of these injuries, and then you 352 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: peel this up, okay, and so you you have this 353 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 1: representation on clear plastic of these injuries being drawn out, 354 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: and you can overlay that on say an anatomical model 355 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: without showing gore, okay, without going over the top, and say, 356 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 1: these are the injuries that this victims sustained. And you 357 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: don't ever have to get into that prejudicial stuff that 358 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: involves all of those Corey photographs. Now some of them 359 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: are necessary, and in Tristan's case, there's any number of 360 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: things that we can probably tell about what the dynamic 361 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: of this event was, and that's going to be important. 362 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: You had mentioned the defensive wounds. When you say defensive 363 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: wound or when it's stated as defensive wound and it 364 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: is identified by the pathologist as such, there's one key 365 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: thing that you have to have with it. You have 366 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: to have hemorrhage because if an individual has a defensive wound, 367 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: that implies that they are aware enough to defend themselves. 368 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: So if they're blocking where they throw their arm up 369 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 1: in the air and that the blade of that knife 370 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: passes through that area, you're going to have en dwelling 371 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: hemorrhage there. Because you can stab someone in the arm 372 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: post mortem, there's not gonna be any hemorrhage there that 373 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: it's not evidence of a defensive act. That's just a 374 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: post mortem insult. And some of these would probably be 375 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: post mortem on her, some of these injuries that she 376 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 1: has sustained. From an overall perspective, I don't know with 377 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: this many wounds how long she could have survived. And 378 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: then you you have this migration that that takes place 379 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: by the perpetrator where once you get past her defensive ability, 380 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 1: you're now into the torso. And then once you get 381 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: past torso, you begin to describe all of these where 382 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 1: she's been attacked about her head. You think about this, 383 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: you're thinking, well, was he laying on top of her, 384 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: was he cradling her while he was doing this? Did 385 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: he have her in some type of pose while he 386 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,479 Speaker 1: was doing this, how much of this was done anti mortem, 387 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: which means before death, how much of it was done 388 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: harry mortem which means turn the throes of death, and 389 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: how much of this stuff was done post mortem. So 390 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot to assess on many levels when you 391 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,239 Speaker 1: begin to talk about stab wounds. It's not it's not 392 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: as I hate to refer to gainst that wounds as simplistic, 393 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: because I can be highly complicated. But when you get 394 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: up into edged weapon events, there's a certain amount of 395 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: intellectual sophistication that has to be in place on the 396 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: part of the individual is making a determination about these 397 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: because it's such a dynamic event. Forty Nine defensive stab 398 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: wounds mean she was struggling fighting off her killer. Forty 399 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: not nearly half of the stab wounds were defensive, And 400 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: when you look at it like that, you realize this 401 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: girl gave everything she had to take down that assailant 402 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: who just wouldn't stop. We do know something about Tristan 403 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: and her athletic pursuits. She was a competitive cheerleader, and 404 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: she's not somebody that that would have just, I don't think, 405 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: just kind of gone quietly, and that's kind of evidenced 406 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: in in the perpetrator and what was left behind on him, 407 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 1: because he did have marks on his hand, which some 408 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: of these could be associated with her attempting to fend 409 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: him off. They're out in a kind of a wooded area, 410 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: so some of that stuff might be scratching himself on 411 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: the local flora that's out there, whether it's some type 412 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: of foreign or something like that, or tree branches, that 413 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: sort of thing, logoth scrub. That's the key here, I think, 414 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: and that's why it's so very important any time the 415 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: police take someone into custody, particularly this soon after the fact, 416 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: you want to take as many photographs of and I'm 417 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,959 Speaker 1: not talking listen, I want every all of our listeners 418 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: to understand, I'm not talking about mug shots here. I'm 419 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: not talking about mug shots. I'm talking about where you 420 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: have this individual essentially stripped down to their underwear, and 421 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: you take images of all the planes of the body. 422 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: You know you're gonna take into your shots. Post to 423 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: your shots, You're gonna go up and down the arms, 424 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: You're gonna look at the neck. You're gonna ask them 425 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: to hold their head back if they've got long hair, 426 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: which he did at that point in time. Pull your 427 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: hair up in the back. We want to see the 428 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: back of your neck, up and down, the arms, the hands, 429 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: both aspects of the hands. I want to take detail 430 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: photographs of your nails. I want to see if any 431 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: of your nails are chipped, because you know they're gonna 432 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 1: be doing that. The more with the victim, this is 433 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: the deal. This poor child's rest and she'll never heal. 434 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: He will, and you have to capture that moment in 435 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: time where you freeze it. That's the beauty of photography 436 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: when it comes to crime scene and documentation of crimes, 437 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: is that just for a moment in time, you freeze time, 438 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: You freeze the healing process if you will. I know 439 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: some people find that ridiculous, but you know your own 440 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: kind of this continuum where the further the perpetrator moves 441 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: down that timeline and natural healing process is going to 442 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: take place. So it's it's so very important that you 443 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: get to them early where you can document all of 444 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: the stuff that you have a record of this going back, 445 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 1: going back to the point where when this thing goes 446 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: to trial, that you can actually document it and say 447 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: this is what happened. It's hard to find the right 448 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: hadget of I think when talking about this case descriptively, 449 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: it's very very difficult. I do know this, I do 450 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: know this. This perpetrator attacked interest in so very viciously 451 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: that when and they conducted her examination, her postmortem examination, 452 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 1: they did postmortal X rays, which means that a medical 453 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: examiner took portable X ray machine, had her remains on 454 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: the table much like they do in the hospital, and 455 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 1: began to take full body X rays of her. And 456 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: when they developed that film. When they developed that film, 457 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: they put that film up on that lightboard and that 458 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 1: more again they looked at it, and there in her 459 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: skull was a tiny triangular shaped radio opaque mass. You 460 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: know what that was was a tip of a buck knife. 461 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: She was attacked with such force that the tip of 462 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: this knife was actually broken off in her skull. Sometimes 463 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: things are just beyond description, aren't they. I'm speechless. It 464 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 1: just it hits your heart at such a level that 465 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: I couldn't even say, I know we're doing a program, 466 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: and I couldn't even speak. Joe aiden Fucci, his friends 467 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: knew about his fascination with knives. He had to that 468 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: he actually named Picker and Poker, and the one that 469 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: you're talking about where the tip of the triangle had 470 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: broken off, that was from the knife. He called Poker 471 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: to back up and set the stage for all that 472 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: occurred there in the same neighborhood. They go to the 473 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: same private school. They do what thirteen and fourteen year 474 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: olds do. They sneak out in the middle of the night, 475 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: not to do any kind of crazy harm, just because 476 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: they're tim feet tall and bulletproof. They're hanging out doing 477 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: what they're not supposed to do. But Aiden has an 478 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: actual plan and once he gets her to the woods, 479 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: according to his statement of police, he tried to kiss her. 480 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: She rebuffed him, she pushed him back, and that's where 481 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: all of what then happened began. So a fourteen year 482 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: old trying to kiss this thirteen year old cheerleader, she 483 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: rebuffs him, he attacks. When police went looking for evidence, 484 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: they found the knife inter retention pond near where Tristan's 485 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: body was found, And of course we talked earlier about 486 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: the clothing that was found in his home. Aidan's mother 487 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: was charged with trying to cover up this crime. She 488 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: knew what she was doing when she washed his bloody 489 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: jeans which is why they were wet when police got there. 490 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: So you've got all of this going on. The police 491 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: have figured out Aidan Fucci is now their suspect, but 492 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: while her family and friends are still looking for her, 493 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: they haven't found her body yet. He's in the back 494 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: of the squad car and he's heading to the police 495 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: department where they're going to question him, and he's snapchats. 496 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: He takes a picture from the back of the squad 497 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: car and he actually snapchats a picture and said and 498 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: he captions it. Hey, guys, anybody's seen Tristan lately? The 499 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: level of horror that this extence who I don't know 500 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: that I can adequately describe it. Let's start with a knife. 501 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: The knife itself, I think if he looked at this 502 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: from the perspective of a prosecutor, which I am, not me, 503 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: it goes to preparation. You know, you're thinking about this. 504 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: You've got this with you, how convenient and with Tristan. 505 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: She's thirteen, as you had mentioned, there's an innocence to that. 506 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: You know, at that age, many of us, including me, 507 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: I'm chief among centers, snuck out when we were teenagers. 508 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: That's what teenagers do. And there is a level of 509 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: innocence to it. You're beginning to sense adulthood and you've 510 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: got a kid that's older than you that's paying attention 511 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: to you. Snow fault of hers. What she didn't realize 512 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: is that this this person that she was with, he 513 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: wanted to use her for his pleasure in that moment, 514 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: to completely destroy her. And he did. And the fact 515 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: that one of the more chilling aspects to this is 516 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: that his mother had an awareness of this because she 517 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: had talked about how the clothing was wet, you know, 518 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: went to search the area. It's not like she just 519 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: threw it in the washing machine. She took these pants 520 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: over to a sink and began to scrub them. Think 521 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: about that, just for a second. She knows that this 522 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: thirteen year old child has been slaughtered and here she is. Man. 523 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: I know everybody will say, well, you'll do anything to 524 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: help your children, but just let this resonate just for 525 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: a moment. You're now attempting to what you have to 526 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: at least have some inkling of scrub her blood out 527 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: of your child's pants because you want to I don't know, 528 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: protect him, protect him, or you want to facilitate him 529 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: getting away with it. I think that that's a question 530 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: that should be asked. I don't know if it'll ever 531 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: be answered, like many things in this case, Dave, And 532 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: that's what happens when somebody pleads guilty at first, he 533 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: pled not guilty, getting ready for trial, getting ready to 534 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: get a jury together. You mentioned it to start everything, Joe, 535 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: he said. He he says, I'm sorry, my bad. That 536 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: doesn't explain anything. I don't know that it provides any 537 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: kind of solace for the family at all. And all 538 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: I'm doing is sitting here thinking, I get it that 539 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: a mom at protecting her son, But how can that 540 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: mom who's protecting her son not think about the other 541 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: family and and their daughter who's not coming home. How 542 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: do you not have that kind of empathy and sympathy, 543 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: because there's something really wrong there with that. Yeah, I 544 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: think that there is. You had mentioned these advances that 545 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: he alleged he attempted to kiss her, she pushed him way, 546 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: you know, the story changed. He claims that she aggressively 547 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: grabbed at his crotch and he pushed her down and 548 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: maybe struck her head. Then he puts forth this idea 549 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: that this child to stir ten year old was involved 550 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: in some connection to drugs in some way, like someone 551 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: would have done this to her, like this child would 552 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 1: have owed somebody money. So they're gonna make a statement, 553 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: and it's so far flung at that point in time. 554 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: I can only imagine that when the police were interviewing 555 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: him and they begin to get these stories and they're 556 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: listening to it, they know, they know, they're just waiting 557 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: for him to go full in and admit what he 558 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: has done. And of course that that didn't happen. It 559 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 1: didn't happen until he's standing in front of the judge 560 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,720 Speaker 1: and he admits to it all and he leads guilty. 561 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: He doesn't face the death penalty. Joe at sentencing, the 562 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: best he can get his life in prison or is 563 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 1: it forty years? Is it one of those things, Well, yeah, 564 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be forty two life. An interesting side 565 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: note here is that since he committed this brutal homicide 566 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: at such a young age in Florida, is not eligible 567 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: for the death penalty. It carries a forty years sentence 568 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: minimum forty years to life. But here's the thing. After 569 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: he starts serving his sentence, twenty years from now he'll 570 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: be eligible for a review. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and 571 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: this his body bags.