Speaker 1: You know what, Hi's let's start there. You know what, Hello, Well,
Speaker 1: let's just start there because that's a pleasant try. And
Speaker 1: that's just how you start with pleasant tries. Isn't that
Speaker 1: how we started? Absolutely in the beginning, I'm sure we
Speaker 1: started with a hello? Is it pleasant interaction? Right? And
Speaker 1: now that we've gotten that out of the way, Project
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Speaker 1: let ding dong last culture Esta is calling. I feel
Speaker 1: the thickness in the air of the culture that is
Speaker 1: surrounding us. Wow. See you took a deep ass breath
Speaker 1: before we went in here, and I think it's because
Speaker 1: the air is very thick with culture. And I was like,
Speaker 1: is he having trouble breathing. No, it's merely because the
Speaker 1: air is so thick with the air is viscous starling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, think about this. We've had in the last
Speaker 1: a presidential candidate emerged. Okay, we'll talk about that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think we will talk about it, because you know,
Speaker 1: what the nation is talking about and what an interesting,
Speaker 1: like fascinating. We'll talk about this. We'll talk We're going
Speaker 1: to talk about the fact that this is even that
Speaker 1: we're even talking about it and we haven't even said
Speaker 1: yet the name. But here's the deal. There's been a
Speaker 1: lot of culture and we are in the thick of
Speaker 1: award season right now, Honey, I actually watched the screeners today.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to talk about it. I did my SAG
Speaker 1: Awards voting today. She's a sad girl now. And this
Speaker 1: one I did not pay my initiation famously, Yes, and
Speaker 1: you know who else didn't pay her initiation. She paid
Speaker 1: her initiation fees, but she had not paid her due
Speaker 1: to pay the dues. But you know what, I can't
Speaker 1: think of someone who's paid more dues in their room.
Speaker 1: This person has climbed the Mountain of Culture and now
Speaker 1: sits a top the peak and looks down and she
Speaker 1: feels the thunder because and I can't imagine the mountain.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine how thick the area is up there
Speaker 1: on the top of the mountain. Famously, you know, being
Speaker 1: from Denver, right, But um, you know as you without
Speaker 1: you two, as you go up the and so it
Speaker 1: gets thicker as you go down more into the swamps
Speaker 1: of Florida. But um, it gets thinner in the on
Speaker 1: the mountaintop where our guest resides. Because she just won't
Speaker 1: accept all this just drivel. No, No, that's not something
Speaker 1: that we do that level. Let's talk about but obviously
Speaker 1: her credit is not accepting the drivel. But let's talk
Speaker 1: about the real credits that you can see here, watch
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Speaker 1: let's memorialize that by saying together, never forget the app.
Speaker 1: And speaking of the app, I um paid three dollars
Speaker 1: for the HD episode of her half Hours, so that
Speaker 1: maybe she stays, maybe she saw thirties or six. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say sixty cents. Oh my god, you guys,
Speaker 1: let time. I have no idea. Let's waste no more time.
Speaker 1: Please welcome our guest with great fanfare. Naomi again, us
Speaker 1: is lit, is what I'm saying. Yes, I don't like
Speaker 1: a lot of podcasts. Don't do this. My fiance host too,
Speaker 1: and I like them not Snap Impression beginnings. Bless him,
Speaker 1: that's his plug by my baby. I'm done. Um you guys,
Speaker 1: you know you know we throw around the phrase give
Speaker 1: life for someone to birth you what it is for
Speaker 1: someone to be an emotional plus center and that last
Speaker 1: culture east does I mean ding don't? Yes, you said
Speaker 1: you said it. I felt chilled showed up to the
Speaker 1: door with the fresh bag pie. That is how I
Speaker 1: feel about this. I am too happy. Honestly, we are
Speaker 1: so happy. And we've been trying to get you for
Speaker 1: quite some time. We don't We've been getting specific tweets
Speaker 1: and little social media granules of no. Yeah, the fans
Speaker 1: will tweet and they'll singular fan. Imagine if there was
Speaker 1: one fan that just had all these yeah, well you
Speaker 1: know they're out there. Um, but specifically recently we got
Speaker 1: someone hitting us up and saying, you must get Naomi
Speaker 1: on because she is culture. Which is that sets big
Speaker 1: to live up to? Is culture? Is culture? You know who?
Speaker 1: They've only said that about one other person, and who
Speaker 1: is that? That's the new for the next president? Okay,
Speaker 1: it's that? Yeah, I mean okay, so let's check in. Um,
Speaker 1: we've had quite the cycle with this. Everybody just the collective,
Speaker 1: everyone's wearing tenor of this is first everyone just you know,
Speaker 1: of course loving beautifully accepted, appreciated the speech, and then
Speaker 1: it sort of grew out and extrapolated into president. We
Speaker 1: so lonely and were already like, Mama, please, we're starved
Speaker 1: for it. That's what it is. Starved for elocution, Yes,
Speaker 1: for that gravitas. Yeah. I was like, is it that
Speaker 1: we wanted to be president? Or are we just shocked?
Speaker 1: That's that a leadership type got up there and gave
Speaker 1: you something good at all. And that's how to take
Speaker 1: away from it. But you know right well, no, my thing.
Speaker 1: I will say this. I am for your listeners who
Speaker 1: don't know. Um. Sometimes you know my voiceover agent says
Speaker 1: I can do both. I am black. We're so ragid.
Speaker 1: The good thing is your urban and general market general.
Speaker 1: Thank you. But I will say this, I don't believe
Speaker 1: I should be president. I believe we need to get
Speaker 1: over back on TV Sunday nights at five. Okay, we
Speaker 1: need to gather around her like a hearth and hear
Speaker 1: some common sense. Yes, I just to bring this back
Speaker 1: to podcasts, which you mentioned in which this is currently
Speaker 1: on this program. Um, I think I you know, you
Speaker 1: know what, the Super Soul Sundays. It's not enough. I
Speaker 1: need the visual, the all the sensory things of Oprah
Speaker 1: just coming out. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: we need again, we need her back where everyone can
Speaker 1: watch her. Because the only thing I think it might
Speaker 1: be decent about Oprah's president, because I feel like she's
Speaker 1: the only person in fifth year a white ladies will
Speaker 1: get behind. That's what I'm saying. And I genuinely think that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but maybe if Oprah is on every
Speaker 1: day in the sixteen election, maybe turns out different. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe if these white women have some of a certain age,
Speaker 1: like in the middle of the country, have someone telling
Speaker 1: them some something besides like someone they trust, maybe something happens.
Speaker 1: I don't know, she got him to read, like she
Speaker 1: got a lot of people to read, so I feel
Speaker 1: like anything is possible. But it doesn't mean she no,
Speaker 1: well no, it's that thing. And I'm sure you guys
Speaker 1: have read this similar sort of statement. That's like, the
Speaker 1: second she like makes a tough policy decision, she's no
Speaker 1: longer Oprah as we know her. Right now, She's gone.
Speaker 1: She's gone. It's like that Oprah has like has gone away,
Speaker 1: like we've we've exercised that person. Well, I think those
Speaker 1: same women who we say love Oprah too the moment
Speaker 1: she tried her over present, they like who you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, that would be very absolutely honestly, I
Speaker 1: read a tweet like I've been doing because there's been
Speaker 1: a lot to read tweets about. But somebody said, I
Speaker 1: like Oprah, I don't know if we should give her
Speaker 1: the right to kill people from the sky. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that pretty much sums it up. But we gave it
Speaker 1: to crazy crazy that's true. I mean we didn't, wait, didn't,
Speaker 1: but you know, but he does have the power. The
Speaker 1: thing is, I think it's like when you start thinking
Speaker 1: in terms of like, well, if this person can win,
Speaker 1: what can we put together to um to get them
Speaker 1: with back, It's like you can't think in terms of
Speaker 1: reactions like that. You have to think in terms of
Speaker 1: who is going to be a good president. And there
Speaker 1: are options. I know, it seems like there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a dearth a little bit on the Democratic side, or
Speaker 1: there's not that one figure really who's uniting everyone just yet.
Speaker 1: I don't think that means Oprah winfree right. I think
Speaker 1: it is though. I think what people felt was what
Speaker 1: it is to have somebody talk and be electrified. Yes,
Speaker 1: And I think you just haven't had that in a
Speaker 1: little while, and by a little a year and a half,
Speaker 1: two years. Where you hear somebody talking, you're like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go exercise. We're talking like I'm gonna do a
Speaker 1: brisk walk, I'm gonna cut out that Brady. I love it.
Speaker 1: She gets me wanting to be better, right, And I
Speaker 1: don't think we've heard that. And that's why exactly, well
Speaker 1: exactly and she's like, I'm trying to raise my kids.
Speaker 1: Leave me a hot minute, and then it's so funny,
Speaker 1: what happened the last time we saw a quality speech
Speaker 1: at all? Must be president? Put her on. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: are starved, you all right, We are lonely and starves,
Speaker 1: so Loveland starved, starved, and we demand certain things from
Speaker 1: certain people just for doing something that like has a
Speaker 1: cursory just impact on like this huge office. And so
Speaker 1: this is not to say that she can't have a
Speaker 1: political impact or a political future already doesn't think in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways she already has a political impact.
Speaker 1: Well especially I think more so what she had her
Speaker 1: show on right, which you want to I want her
Speaker 1: back on television. I want to be able to see
Speaker 1: her every day four because I do think whether she
Speaker 1: wants it or not, she can move a needle should
Speaker 1: she choose to, yes, And it just feels like what
Speaker 1: else we got? But it doesn't mean you are meant
Speaker 1: to lead the free world. And I also think though
Speaker 1: she necessary won't to you know what I'm saying, Stimman
Speaker 1: got enough dealing with I said at the Golden gold
Speaker 1: I was like, so good to see Standman. Now, it
Speaker 1: was good to see him. It was great to see
Speaker 1: him out. It's rare. It's very rare. Were you. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about the globes in general for a second. When
Speaker 1: the show started and there were two empty as seats
Speaker 1: next to Oprah, I was like, who the fuck is
Speaker 1: not there? And who was it? Ms strikes herself showing
Speaker 1: up late to the ultimate gig showing up late? And god,
Speaker 1: what was she presented the final director? She no, she
Speaker 1: didn't present director. She presented best was the best picture drama?
Speaker 1: All right? She had something to say about the best Director,
Speaker 1: which was so surprised because I normally think of her
Speaker 1: sobs and so when she said something, I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, I was like, it
Speaker 1: took me a minute, you know what, I mean to
Speaker 1: take her in And I was like, she is sharp Harvard,
Speaker 1: she is. She's politically minded, she has lots of opinions.
Speaker 1: I think that she kind of like withdraws from the
Speaker 1: whole scene every four or five years, and then when
Speaker 1: she does come back, she is the biggest movie store
Speaker 1: in the world. Like when Black Swan came out and
Speaker 1: she was winning her Oscar, there was nobody bigger, right,
Speaker 1: And then you saw her go away, right, and now
Speaker 1: it's like she's back arrived. She got on Instagram. She's
Speaker 1: on Insta. She's on Insta. I'll follow up. She's on
Speaker 1: instant now. There are no baby, it's all times up
Speaker 1: right now. It's all times up right now. And he
Speaker 1: to work, yes, And and you're getting that like you're
Speaker 1: seeing her very present. Um, I know she's going to
Speaker 1: be um appearing on in the media in the next
Speaker 1: few weeks. That's a hint, but like, well, she's well,
Speaker 1: Natalie Apartman will make a public appearance between the line.
Speaker 1: She's got a big movie coming out. What do celebrities
Speaker 1: do when they have big movies coming out? Right? But
Speaker 1: I didn't say, um so, but you know, to see
Speaker 1: her kind of like we hold on, Sorry, what's her movie?
Speaker 1: It's the movie with the where they're all in the
Speaker 1: woods and she's like, have you seen the trailer for
Speaker 1: this movie? Portman and all the women? I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I don't know who else is in it. I don't
Speaker 1: want to guess because I'll be so wrong. But it's
Speaker 1: basically they pay like a team of scientists and they
Speaker 1: go to this like kind of like I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's another planet or like a part of the
Speaker 1: world that's like fucked up, but they try to like, um,
Speaker 1: I don't know, they're wearing cargo shorts in there and
Speaker 1: like they're in the woods. Just search Nicole, Search Natalie
Speaker 1: Portman film, Fucked Up Planet, cargo shorts, apartment, cargo shorts Planet.
Speaker 1: There's a picture when we take a short break. We'll
Speaker 1: get to the picture. But there's a picture of her
Speaker 1: like looking in a white crocodile's mouth, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm talking. Yeah, But she's got this big movie coming out,
Speaker 1: and so it just so happens that, you know, I
Speaker 1: think she's very passionate about this cause and she's back
Speaker 1: out there doing it on Instagram, shaking it up at
Speaker 1: the Golden Globe. Have always loved her. I've always loved
Speaker 1: you knew, but also understood the best seek you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: accepted all of it, the whole, every contour of Natalie Portman. See,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never thought of her eyes best seek.
Speaker 1: I've always thought of her as classy, classic, interesting, interesting.
Speaker 1: You know what, Sometimes I see a white woman and
Speaker 1: I shut down right, and you know that's not me.
Speaker 1: You know, listeners, you have to emit your faults. You
Speaker 1: have to emit are those incredibly bustick? Missed your ads
Speaker 1: that she's in, Like any anyone who's in like a
Speaker 1: perfume mad You're it's a little bit of an iron
Speaker 1: like even it doesn't matter how fierce they're like Charlie
Speaker 1: Starren in those do your ads like it doesn't get
Speaker 1: fiercer than that, But you're like, the bitch is making
Speaker 1: a check for a perfume? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But then you know what
Speaker 1: they say the actresses when they get to that level,
Speaker 1: they have one of two options. They can choose to
Speaker 1: like do brands and like you know, go the sort
Speaker 1: of like fashion for Igrance Lane, or they can do
Speaker 1: the shitty sellout movies. Right, So you can either do
Speaker 1: you know, like what for example, like a big news
Speaker 1: star like Lupete and Nyongo, like not someone you're going
Speaker 1: to see in the rom coms? So how does she
Speaker 1: make her movie being a fashion and make her money
Speaker 1: being a fashion icon? Right? Right? Right? And I mean decision.
Speaker 1: She's a walking fit model, you know. I mean like
Speaker 1: like part of Lupete I think was it was the
Speaker 1: combination of the performance, coupled with the fact that when
Speaker 1: you saw her at every awards show perfection, she was
Speaker 1: right exactly. So you need her everywhere right, You need
Speaker 1: her everywhere right, and then that helps the next thing
Speaker 1: to come in, you know, truly a designer's dream because
Speaker 1: when you when she there was also no one on
Speaker 1: the carpet looking like her, of course, so basically you
Speaker 1: had it imprinted in your mind because you there were
Speaker 1: those probably like four or five moments where you step
Speaker 1: out there during during awards season and you really make
Speaker 1: a point, and I think she wore a bunch of
Speaker 1: really different looks, and then her Oscar's look was like
Speaker 1: the culmination. Was that like light blue? God, yeah, hellenic? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: Afro helenic, Afro, hellnic honestly, O U peta And how
Speaker 1: do we gonna get one the globes? What do we think?
Speaker 1: So are we into awards? That have been seeing the
Speaker 1: movies and what's your awards? You know, I've gotten some
Speaker 1: of my screeners the writer's guild, you know, and I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get up to speed. But I also I
Speaker 1: don't watch them all, you know, so many of them.
Speaker 1: It's also such a Oscar Bait Awards. Bait is almost
Speaker 1: always heavy, and so you gotta be in this mood
Speaker 1: where you kind of want to just be down. Yeah
Speaker 1: you know, um, and I think when you are, you know,
Speaker 1: when their actresses actors and actresses and you're like Francis
Speaker 1: McDormand and Meryl Dreep and Tommy's was like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: know what you do. So I'm not necessarily when I
Speaker 1: go into the performance, I almost take it for granted, right,
Speaker 1: you know, you know that person is going to give
Speaker 1: you everything everything, So then to me, then the folkus
Speaker 1: becomes okay, well you're putting all that into what story? Right,
Speaker 1: And so I don't know, there's very few things that
Speaker 1: really spoke to me. That doesn't mean that wasn't good.
Speaker 1: It wasn't good, but I wasn't like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that makes it. Usually if I walk out something good,
Speaker 1: it's like it makes me an act, it makes me,
Speaker 1: it makes me want to be in it, right, And
Speaker 1: there wasn't m much the game. I'll tell you today,
Speaker 1: I watched my screener for the Florida Project. Heartbreaking at
Speaker 1: the end and yet not easy to watch, and not
Speaker 1: because it was like violent or anything. It was just
Speaker 1: long and sad and you're you're sitting in the reality.
Speaker 1: Very well done movie. Of course, I did vote for
Speaker 1: Mr Dafoe when I voted for which I did today.
Speaker 1: You gotta be defriend to defend defend Because also I
Speaker 1: was looking at the list and I was like, what
Speaker 1: do you Harrison and Sam Rockwell, I don't really care
Speaker 1: about that movie, um Steve Carrell and Battle of the Sexes?
Speaker 1: I was like, did you see about All the Sexes? Yeah? Fine, fine, fine, right,
Speaker 1: Like it didn't I don't know, it didn't tell that
Speaker 1: story in a fun cool way. It wasn't, you know.
Speaker 1: I And again, especially when you're dealing with something historical, right,
Speaker 1: you know, if you know what you're what the story
Speaker 1: is before going in, right, you're a quarter of the
Speaker 1: way there, you're a quarter the way there, but you know,
Speaker 1: but you you put in such a good way. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I know what these actors are about, what these performances
Speaker 1: are going to be in some general sense, what is
Speaker 1: going to be the emotional context and the story. And
Speaker 1: that's that's great. Yeah, I love that. And the thing
Speaker 1: with it too is like today I was on the
Speaker 1: website and there's the options to the things you can stream,
Speaker 1: because now they don't always send out the davities, you
Speaker 1: can stream them. And I was like, are people going
Speaker 1: to watch downsizing down too? What did you think of downsizing? Okay,
Speaker 1: so I watched the screener, you know, and periodically we're
Speaker 1: watching the screener, it will pop up in the bottom
Speaker 1: for your consideration in all categories. And I was insulted
Speaker 1: when I saw that. I said, I barely consider you
Speaker 1: a damn movie. Well, it's truly hard. After the first hour,
Speaker 1: I was baffled. I was shook. I said, how you know,
Speaker 1: as I am starting to learn this business a little bit,
Speaker 1: even a small scale, you see how many people have
Speaker 1: to sign off on something. Oh yeah, let alone where
Speaker 1: you can like a major motion picture, Who oh who money?
Speaker 1: Who hell? Who? Ransom? What the funk was the second
Speaker 1: half of that movie? Man? That was hard. For the
Speaker 1: first half, I thought, okay, this could continue to be fun.
Speaker 1: And I thought it started off. I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: this is a really fun idea. It seems like some
Speaker 1: one read the first half of the script and said yeah,
Speaker 1: I like it, and then didn't read the second half.
Speaker 1: I heard, you know, it's the same guy who did Sideways.
Speaker 1: He wanted to make that movie immediately after Sideways, and
Speaker 1: for a very people were like no, And I wonder
Speaker 1: if it was in bringing in like Damon, you know,
Speaker 1: people who had names to make it get made. But
Speaker 1: to me, it was such a waste of a premise,
Speaker 1: and like, I love side stuff, I love a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, give me something like that and then
Speaker 1: just build out that world that can be fun to watch.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be um, it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be like very deep, right, It could be a cool
Speaker 1: way to see something. And I thought they wasted the
Speaker 1: whole premise was also when you have you know, if
Speaker 1: you tell me the draw or of this movie is
Speaker 1: Matt Damon, he better not be the worst damn character
Speaker 1: in the movie. Hello, you don't tell me to come
Speaker 1: watch Matt Dame. The thing is already Like I was
Speaker 1: fully there. I was there out of sex screening. And
Speaker 1: the point they were even having it was because the
Speaker 1: only thing that's nominated is hung Chow. She doesn't show
Speaker 1: up until halfway through, and even that, like it was
Speaker 1: just like I can't necessarily care about this character because
Speaker 1: I don't care about the rest of the movie. Now
Speaker 1: because it's just changed so much. I wanted you just
Speaker 1: want to care and sometimes, like quote unquote bad movies
Speaker 1: that never get in the Oscar conversation, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: really cared about that ship and no one talked about it. Well,
Speaker 1: I think the whole thing is because you're forced to
Speaker 1: see everything through the eyes of this Matt Damon character
Speaker 1: that is aimless, kind of not really grounded, certainly not compelling,
Speaker 1: not an interesting guy. So when he cares about Hung Chow,
Speaker 1: we're supposed to care about Hung Chad, but because we
Speaker 1: don't care about him, we don't care about wo he
Speaker 1: cares about. So you're kind of like, okay, I guess
Speaker 1: you kind of like her. And then it was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know who that dialect coach was. That was tough.
Speaker 1: They made her do an accent that was cartoony. It
Speaker 1: was distracting and it was insulting, and it was so
Speaker 1: you know, had the golden globes, I said when they
Speaker 1: were doing that in during the opening monologue, and they
Speaker 1: had the different actors, she was the only one who
Speaker 1: knailed her line. She was only Jessica chas Stain was
Speaker 1: just like just lost. She's been flubbing lines. Well, she
Speaker 1: doesn't know what the jokes are, right like she I think,
Speaker 1: you know, some many people like I want to be funny,
Speaker 1: and then they do it and it's like, maybe, girl,
Speaker 1: she's been No Hong hongng delivered. She delivered and it
Speaker 1: was but to see that, right, and all I'd ever
Speaker 1: seen of her was downsizing and big little lies. Oh god, yeah,
Speaker 1: everyone forgets because she was just a very like much
Speaker 1: in the Greek chorus. But she was fully And I'm
Speaker 1: wondering if they'll beef up her part in the second
Speaker 1: season of Big Little Lives right, because she very likely
Speaker 1: will if the precursors are to be believed, will learn
Speaker 1: an Oscar nomination. Who knows. But you're not just gonna
Speaker 1: put her in the back now that with an Oscar, right,
Speaker 1: you absolutely can. Yeah, but I think it'll be interesting.
Speaker 1: But something like that, I was like, looking at it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, how fair is this? Because I voted today
Speaker 1: and didn't see everything. Yeah, I mean, I just don't
Speaker 1: have any interest in seeing a lot of this ship.
Speaker 1: Well that's what's dark shadows. No, that movie with Gary
Speaker 1: Omen when he plays with the Penny during the during
Speaker 1: the Oscars I mean the Golden globes and he was talking.
Speaker 1: I was like the room was dead dead, well honestly, right,
Speaker 1: it was supposed to end after Opra, like you don't
Speaker 1: have Oprah and then everyone else has to try and talk.
Speaker 1: It's I kind of I don't care about your journey. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The fact that there was a moment of more stimulation
Speaker 1: after Oprah, which was Natalie saying that was already too
Speaker 1: much down the room. If God had as started a
Speaker 1: humor in the room would have exploded right there. It
Speaker 1: was just like, honestly, like that should have been the
Speaker 1: end of the whole evening. And then also when Barbara
Speaker 1: came out and did her speech about not enough women directors,
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, but the thing is, we just
Speaker 1: heard it and like it's been it's been set at
Speaker 1: the highest. Well when when Salma came up to it
Speaker 1: was like, you know, she tried to start at times,
Speaker 1: but it's like, oh, too late, Like I feel like
Speaker 1: this should happen at the beginning, and then and then
Speaker 1: over closed it and then you can had like a
Speaker 1: little you know because lord no she has come out
Speaker 1: and says sometimes but it was just like again that
Speaker 1: timing that compared to this energy level. We were at
Speaker 1: the flow of the show that I don't think you
Speaker 1: can do the producer's credit. I don't think you can
Speaker 1: predict necessarily the flow of something like the Golden Globe.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think you know, if you've give
Speaker 1: an open an award and she don't say something, you
Speaker 1: know gonna take it. I said, open took us a church,
Speaker 1: she took us to school, she took us at the
Speaker 1: post office so we could write a let her home.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. She was doing it all
Speaker 1: speech though, is so amazing because she starts off like confessional,
Speaker 1: like this is this is a little anecdote from my life,
Speaker 1: and it ends on like literally like calling upon thunder.
Speaker 1: It was it was almost it was almost like heroic.
Speaker 1: It was a new you know. I love when she bellows, Okay,
Speaker 1: you have Oprah bellows, I am here, Yes, just raised
Speaker 1: and I and it was so and it was so silly.
Speaker 1: But literally I was like, she's doing this off the
Speaker 1: top of her head, right like she thought about it,
Speaker 1: but you know she wasn't. You know, some people shaking
Speaker 1: with their papers up there and Hooper has got everything
Speaker 1: and it just all comes together. I was like, you
Speaker 1: literally like brought up Rosa parts, a forgotten woman who
Speaker 1: recently passed away and was sexually assaulted. You know, she
Speaker 1: kept it and Sydney patching and everything I think who
Speaker 1: was assaulted. You know, she brought up. She brought in
Speaker 1: Reesy and Rosa and Sydney and it was just kind
Speaker 1: of like you again, we wentn't like we went through
Speaker 1: history right, and she was personal. I'm obsessed with Oprah.
Speaker 1: I saw Oprah speak at and this is like when
Speaker 1: I was into her because when I was little, I
Speaker 1: obviously I need the show, but it wasn't for me.
Speaker 1: I wasn't watching it. I knew who she was and
Speaker 1: she was great. But it was when I went to
Speaker 1: a friends graduation at Howard University. Oh please, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put this out here. Please don't come after me. Lally,
Speaker 1: I went to a friends graduation at Howard University was
Speaker 1: historically black college, and Oprah was their graduations. And Oprah said,
Speaker 1: I never forgot you know, she was, you know, historically
Speaker 1: black college. Everybody you know, mostly mostly black, and she
Speaker 1: was saying, she was like, you know, when I was
Speaker 1: growing up, you know, I was raised my grandmother all
Speaker 1: she wanted from me. She said her biggest dream from
Speaker 1: me was that I had good white people that whoever
Speaker 1: she worked for would treat her well basically, you know,
Speaker 1: and she's like, my grandmother never lived to see my success.
Speaker 1: She never lived to see that I did get good
Speaker 1: white people, good white people working for me. Howard University
Speaker 1: rupt dead dead. She read the room and it was
Speaker 1: like and it was literally you know, but what she
Speaker 1: was saying to everybody, she was like basically what she
Speaker 1: was saying this graduate, she was like, your crown has
Speaker 1: been paid for. Wear it. And I wasn't graduating, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm taking it. I'm going out. And
Speaker 1: that was for me the moment when I was like
Speaker 1: I'm here for up forever. And it was a different
Speaker 1: way you saw her speak, right, because she wouldn't say
Speaker 1: good white people working for me in front of a
Speaker 1: non and also not now because the media would get
Speaker 1: ahole difference exact problem exactly. This is probably ten years ago,
Speaker 1: and it was like, you know, for her to be
Speaker 1: up there and it was just kind of like who
Speaker 1: she was and how it was like that for me,
Speaker 1: you know, because I think what I had always seen
Speaker 1: up until then, was that polished that the general market,
Speaker 1: that general, general market, up general and it was so
Speaker 1: you know to see to see that and sort of
Speaker 1: be like how she literally just like brought it down
Speaker 1: and everyone was just like throwing up their caps, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It was like literally a different
Speaker 1: world to point out we're all going to do it.
Speaker 1: It's it's so crazy. What I've always associated her with
Speaker 1: is warmth. Like that's I guess if I had one
Speaker 1: word that I could ascribe to her like that, I
Speaker 1: feel since I was a child watching her, like her
Speaker 1: being on in the house and being present in the
Speaker 1: you know the culture, if you will, it's warmth. She
Speaker 1: just exudes. You just know, like mentioned the hugs. You know,
Speaker 1: the hugs are good. You know, the hugs are bomb
Speaker 1: ass hugs. Definitely, that's someone who she in the eighth grade.
Speaker 1: And Denver is in many ways, you know what, No,
Speaker 1: it's Denver's right now, but back and back in the
Speaker 1: day and when I was in the eighth grade. This
Speaker 1: is two thousand and three, will say, And Denver is
Speaker 1: just a culturally um devoid place and just like people
Speaker 1: wouldn't come like you wouldn't see celebrities, but Oprah is
Speaker 1: in town, and the entire in Denver and in the
Speaker 1: entire city shut down. People were just talking about it.
Speaker 1: A town. My mom's over. My mom My mom was
Speaker 1: standing in line for five hours to see if to
Speaker 1: just get a glimpse of Opra from across like the window,
Speaker 1: and like everyone is just like sucking, just going crazy
Speaker 1: over Oprah. And then and that was like, that was
Speaker 1: the moment moment for me that I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, and I'm reading East Eviden because she told
Speaker 1: me to like all this, all this stuff. And then
Speaker 1: but then the moment that Oprah clicked for me was
Speaker 1: was just her Barbara Walter's interview after after she had
Speaker 1: just announced Oh and she like that moment where she cries,
Speaker 1: tears up and talks about game or talks about like
Speaker 1: her like going into a car dealership and buying two
Speaker 1: cars because she was like, because hello, I could like
Speaker 1: she was like yeah, oh, I was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you were this, you were this amazing, amazing like just
Speaker 1: just a success or anyway. Um, but yeah, the mother
Speaker 1: I never had, the sister, the best friend everyone deserves.
Speaker 1: I don't know a better but I don't know a
Speaker 1: better person. So good so good. It's so good. Anyway,
Speaker 1: what do we think results of the evening? Have we
Speaker 1: all seen Ladybird? We have not a fan, didn't. I'm
Speaker 1: anna this is a safe space. Certainly, certainly I have
Speaker 1: not seen Ladybird yet, and I will tell you that again.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a story that I was like, I have
Speaker 1: to see. So one part about it that I did
Speaker 1: want to see, and um was you know, the mother
Speaker 1: daughter relationship, because says that's got something. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: feel like that might speak to my soul. But I hadn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know she's great. I'm gonna say I
Speaker 1: loved her, Sirsha right. She was in that action movie
Speaker 1: where she's like a little feral killer. Do you remember
Speaker 1: that She's like a little kid, but she was like
Speaker 1: she was a ferreal killer in the Lovely Fair Hannah
Speaker 1: Hannah and I love just since Hannah. I think the
Speaker 1: girl's amazing. I call her baby and hih just in
Speaker 1: her like you're absolutely, I think she's wonderful. It was
Speaker 1: more like the um Like again, Greta Garwood doesn't speak
Speaker 1: to me, and I say, doesn't speak to me. That's
Speaker 1: like my my reference is like, it's not no one
Speaker 1: has to be bad, right, but it's more like, okay,
Speaker 1: you're quirky, I don't do it right. But I went
Speaker 1: into the movie with those same never cared with those
Speaker 1: same sort of preconceived things. And then just the way
Speaker 1: that the mother daughter relationship is portrayed, I felt very
Speaker 1: very very truthful and not maybe not universal, but I
Speaker 1: related to it with not even my mother but my dad.
Speaker 1: That's me and my dad. And then the second the movie,
Speaker 1: and when I walked out the theater, I called him up.
Speaker 1: I was like, and I told him, I was like,
Speaker 1: I just saw a really nice movie. It was about
Speaker 1: like a daughter and a mother, but it reminded me
Speaker 1: of us and blah blah blah, and I just want
Speaker 1: to say I love you, and I don't know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not nice. A movie that drove you to take
Speaker 1: an action like that, and I feel like, and that's
Speaker 1: like the little Anna that everyone has now with lady
Speaker 1: birds my parents. As soon as the movie, well, I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people were like, oh, I Like,
Speaker 1: I was like, I cried, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like I felt like a lot of white women were
Speaker 1: telling me about them crying um, and I no longer
Speaker 1: mad at that because initially white women told me they
Speaker 1: cried at Wonder Woman, and I was like, okay. And
Speaker 1: then I was literally on a check flight watching Wonder Woman,
Speaker 1: and I was like running across the battlefield. It was
Speaker 1: it was that first well, that was a moment, but
Speaker 1: it was that first fight of all the women, and
Speaker 1: I was like okay. And then there were there were
Speaker 1: black women there too as well, right, and that in
Speaker 1: in that group, and so I was like okay, because
Speaker 1: I think that's why I tend to be a little
Speaker 1: less enthused. I wouldn't. I mean, maybe I resistant, but
Speaker 1: some of them like just because you know, when the
Speaker 1: women don't look like me, it doesn't feel aspirational, it
Speaker 1: doesn't feel relatable. It doesn't you know, when a woman
Speaker 1: is held to a high standard but then she's like
Speaker 1: blonde and blue eyed. It that's part of it, right,
Speaker 1: so so much of it. I'd be like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I was like, I get it, but I don't feel empowered.
Speaker 1: And yet when I saw a wonder Woman, even though
Speaker 1: you know, she's like ISRAELI I was like, okay, girls, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm about to CrossFit. I was it. Yeah, And so
Speaker 1: that's I like okay, well, like maybe I see Lady Burton,
Speaker 1: I feel it. Maybe I feel it. That's the thing
Speaker 1: that is really actually that's a great point. It's I
Speaker 1: have a way. I don't know if you feel this,
Speaker 1: but it's been like that with me with romance movies too,
Speaker 1: Like you never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever ever see
Speaker 1: a homosexual love affair on screen. And so I think
Speaker 1: every time I see some sort of love story, which
Speaker 1: is yeah, I always leave like emotional, but not for
Speaker 1: the reason where I felt like thank God they got together.
Speaker 1: It's always like a little sad because it's like, man,
Speaker 1: like I wish that like that was out there right
Speaker 1: and that and you know, for I guess POC, that
Speaker 1: must feel like sucking everything. Well, there's so much writing
Speaker 1: on this movie coming out crazy rich Asians with constant
Speaker 1: Wu and like Aquafine and like every actor, Ronnie changing
Speaker 1: like everybody, and like like they're texting groups that I'm
Speaker 1: in with me and like all these people that are
Speaker 1: just like crazy rich ation panic groups. Being like this
Speaker 1: movie has to do well, and right, I probably won't,
Speaker 1: but it has to put out there that it's going
Speaker 1: to do well, and I well, you know, I think
Speaker 1: another way, and this is maybe a more cynical way,
Speaker 1: but you have to remember that no one expects much
Speaker 1: from it, right, so it's gonna do better. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't think we won't do ship. We're coming out
Speaker 1: the streets, you know, the same We're like, we spent
Speaker 1: a dollar fit in a movie. That's because you didn't
Speaker 1: think we was gonna come out for it. I think,
Speaker 1: even more profoundly than that get Out, which I actually took.
Speaker 1: I voted for them for the ensemble and I voted
Speaker 1: for him for lead actor. I think because I was.
Speaker 1: I watched it last night for the first time. Now, God,
Speaker 1: tell me about journey. Welcome to my journey, my journey.
Speaker 1: I've been in this place for so long. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's been waiting for me to watch it. Now. Here's
Speaker 1: why I haven't watched it. I really can't watch scary movies.
Speaker 1: Like even last night. I actually had to take a
Speaker 1: break in the middle because it got to be like
Speaker 1: a little The break was um right, Actually it was
Speaker 1: towards the end spoiler er forget Out. It's when it
Speaker 1: becomes clear, when it becomes clear that he is going
Speaker 1: to be operated on. OK. I had to take a
Speaker 1: short break and that was actually towards the end of them,
Speaker 1: there was like half an hour laft so um. But
Speaker 1: I thought it was unbelievable. And I will say this
Speaker 1: something because I was thinking about, you know, acting while
Speaker 1: I was watching it, and I was thinking to myself
Speaker 1: because I had the screener because of Sag. It is
Speaker 1: so hard to lead a horror film. You have to
Speaker 1: believably have so many things revealed to you, so much
Speaker 1: shock and horror and hannock and intense despair. That is
Speaker 1: not easy. And the acting challenges in that movie, not
Speaker 1: only just for him but across the everybody, for everybody,
Speaker 1: for everyone, were so high. I talked to Rachel when
Speaker 1: about it today, like it was such an ask of
Speaker 1: all those actors and what a complicated script. Well that's
Speaker 1: the thing, right, because it's not just because like some
Speaker 1: horror movies where you know, the first ten seconds you
Speaker 1: kill a girl and then maybe thirty minutes later someone
Speaker 1: else dies and your watch people get picked off. You
Speaker 1: had that opening that showed you, okay, this is what
Speaker 1: our stakes are. But then it is a very slow
Speaker 1: bird where literally it is like so no one's doing
Speaker 1: anything crazy, but it's gotta be a little menssing. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's hardy that like the whole time, it's almost impossible
Speaker 1: to do because like at any point you could just
Speaker 1: be like really like this this bitch that's the main character,
Speaker 1: is not like letting on that like there's something we're
Speaker 1: going on. And the thing with this movie is it's
Speaker 1: such it's so slow, these the peel back of something
Speaker 1: weird and up is going on, and the and the family.
Speaker 1: It's Bradley Winford, Katherine Keener and Alison Williams. They play
Speaker 1: it's so real and grounded. Honestly, White Bait is the
Speaker 1: world role. Alison she was, but she was perfect really
Speaker 1: like I was like, this is it. That's the best
Speaker 1: thing she's ever done. And I actually I'm a fan
Speaker 1: of hers on Girls. I think that I think that
Speaker 1: she's little bit more aware than everyone thinks she is.
Speaker 1: But this I was. I was actually surprised she's not
Speaker 1: in the words conversation a little bit more because the
Speaker 1: movie doesn't work without that performance. It doesn't work. And
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that is like that's like a deck
Speaker 1: of cards that movie, because one thing is weird and
Speaker 1: it almost got weird with the brother he was he
Speaker 1: was the guy to me who yeah, literally immediately like,
Speaker 1: that's probably the point where if I'm him, If I
Speaker 1: have one tiny qualm with the movie, it's like, I
Speaker 1: leave when the brother tries to find me. Yea, when
Speaker 1: the crazy eyed white brother who looks who looks crazy,
Speaker 1: let's terrifying. I wondered about that cast, and I was like,
Speaker 1: maybe we cast someone who we can believe he's having
Speaker 1: Alison Williams equivalent. Yes, he's having a moment because what's
Speaker 1: his name? I forget. He's in Three Billboards. He's also
Speaker 1: in Florida Project, and in Florida he was in this
Speaker 1: movie today to um, I just we're mentioning Lady Burton
Speaker 1: get Out, And those are the only two movies this
Speaker 1: year in the Awards. I think it's a good year,
Speaker 1: but those really are the only two movies for me
Speaker 1: that I'm like inspired to like write or to exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean, I loved, love, loved get Out. It was
Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to win the Globes only because
Speaker 1: I wanted to push it into the Oscars conversation. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to be in that like I wanted to
Speaker 1: be such a contender. But at the same time. It
Speaker 1: is not a musical comedy, so it wasn't going to
Speaker 1: you know what I really wanted. And I'm hoping because
Speaker 1: you know, on the w J side, I gave him screenplay.
Speaker 1: I gave it like I was like, I was coming
Speaker 1: for whatever. I will nominate it for everything what I
Speaker 1: can do, because it is, you know, again, to be
Speaker 1: a first film to get that tone to you know, um,
Speaker 1: you know something he said, um, he was like, I
Speaker 1: didn't move. He's like, I did a movie that white
Speaker 1: people saw where there was not a single good white person, right,
Speaker 1: because that's a big deal because you can have that bad,
Speaker 1: but there's always usually a white savior or somebody who's like,
Speaker 1: I'll help you. And it was he made this movie
Speaker 1: where they were all bad and it was still like
Speaker 1: everyone came Like I saw the movie on Harlem and
Speaker 1: it was like hacked and mixed and loud and so
Speaker 1: funny and perfect, and it was like that was you
Speaker 1: know that he did that, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like the first time I wasn't annoyed by Harlem gentrification.
Speaker 1: Be here together. That's why that I think that movie
Speaker 1: should win Best Picture because I think when you talk
Speaker 1: about Best Picture at the end of the year. It
Speaker 1: should say something about the time. It should say something
Speaker 1: about the year. And I think that watching Ladybird win
Speaker 1: Best Musical Comedy, it said something about that moment. I
Speaker 1: think Get Out says something about all of it, like
Speaker 1: that's what I want to see. And I think that Actually,
Speaker 1: if it's in drama, I think it beats three Billboards.
Speaker 1: I hope we can like yeah, yes, it's the category
Speaker 1: and that categorization that sucks it up, because I'm sure
Speaker 1: Universal thought we can't throw this in drama. They won't
Speaker 1: take it seriously. I think they would have because it
Speaker 1: had nominations. It's showing up everywhere. Jordan people like tweeted
Speaker 1: like the day that like it's a documentary. He was like,
Speaker 1: this is a documentary, which I also tweeted, I mean,
Speaker 1: groop mind and it's so funny too. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: there's no good white person because Alison Williams on I
Speaker 1: think it was like on seminary she was like, it's
Speaker 1: crazy because people will come up to set fires. People
Speaker 1: will come up to me and be like, okay, but
Speaker 1: your character was like like it was good though, like
Speaker 1: she loved him and just no, she's an evil, disgusting
Speaker 1: human being, Like it's hard to understand. Yeah not Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like no, and it's all the way and it's
Speaker 1: only white people who go up to her and say,
Speaker 1: we're just like trying to find some iyota of Like
Speaker 1: it's like you did care? What movie did you watch?
Speaker 1: That you can't even like that's literally only on you
Speaker 1: be like I thought it was you know, I could
Speaker 1: tell you really loved him. It's like the whole bitch
Speaker 1: that's entirely on you. It says a lot about it,
Speaker 1: so so so on you. Okay, so we're gonna take
Speaker 1: a really quick break and then we we'll be right
Speaker 1: back with Naomi. Yes, okay, we're back with Naomi. We
Speaker 1: were just talking over the break about how genre Matt
Speaker 1: and Matt and Naomi are both sort of for telling
Speaker 1: of are for telling this sort of new trend that
Speaker 1: movies will ketch up to TV where TV is really
Speaker 1: thriving in genre might now and genre is being rewarded.
Speaker 1: I just think we were talking about this. You know,
Speaker 1: the biggest show on television is Game of Thrones. You
Speaker 1: gotta imagine if we saw the numbers that Stranger Things
Speaker 1: will be right behind that. You know, big little lies,
Speaker 1: huge in its market, probably dominated like things like this
Speaker 1: Handmaid's Tale even you know what I mean, these these
Speaker 1: shows that are getting hoisted up these period period pieces too, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, well, well the thing is about period pieces
Speaker 1: is that's that's like I think what classically the awards
Speaker 1: system and the studio system has always thought, here's your awards,
Speaker 1: bade his is the only option. But I think that audiences,
Speaker 1: because of the rise of television right now, we're saying
Speaker 1: we like genre stuff. Genre stuff can be good. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people are I don't agree
Speaker 1: with this, but a lot of people want to see
Speaker 1: Wonder Woman get sneak into one of the eight or
Speaker 1: nine Best Picture slots. You know. I think when The
Speaker 1: Dark Knight didn't sneak in there for Best Picture, people
Speaker 1: were like, that was the movie of the year. And
Speaker 1: I think what we're seeing is with the downfall of
Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein, I think and the kind of waking up
Speaker 1: of Hollywood, which I think has to happen or it's
Speaker 1: gonna fucking crumble to what people want is it's it's
Speaker 1: not what it used to be. Like, I think we
Speaker 1: we don't want to be just given these four or
Speaker 1: five options for what are the prestige things at the
Speaker 1: end of the year, because even think about it, like
Speaker 1: the things that are catching on that people didn't really
Speaker 1: think would catch on are like Titania, you know, like
Speaker 1: it's we What what are these period films that are
Speaker 1: I mean, Phantom Thread, I guess Dark Shodows, Darkest Hour.
Speaker 1: To me, it's dark Shadow. It's gonna be dark Shadow
Speaker 1: for me. But you know, and you know, I just
Speaker 1: think we gotta get more creative. And I think we
Speaker 1: might see that with the fall of Weinstein and the
Speaker 1: usher ring into the new era. I hope we see
Speaker 1: a big, bold statement we're going to embrace get Out.
Speaker 1: I hope get out with I'm putting it into the universe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then get Out Manifest, Manifest. I'm just word that
Speaker 1: since it didn't like clear hurdles quote unquote the globes,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna like but it was just not in
Speaker 1: the categories where it's gonna win, which is why I
Speaker 1: was really kind of annoyed. I was like, you put
Speaker 1: it in a category that even the director says it
Speaker 1: shouldn't be right. So I think also two ones. He
Speaker 1: says that that also kind of gives them the past,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like you didn't put it in
Speaker 1: a place where I was going to succeed. That's the
Speaker 1: thing is, I don't you set him up to fail exactly.
Speaker 1: I think they thought they were helping. I think they
Speaker 1: thought it's gonna be easier to beat Lady Byrne and
Speaker 1: Titania then call Me by your Name and three Billboards
Speaker 1: and Dunkirk. I think they saw dun Kirk and said,
Speaker 1: get out. Can't compete with dun Kirk. Right, then can
Speaker 1: compete with right right? Especially again, like it wasn't just here.
Speaker 1: It also did really outside of the US, you know,
Speaker 1: like it did say something. And when you make a movie,
Speaker 1: especially again as unassuming as you know, cheaply made. I
Speaker 1: think four or five million dollars movie language. Half of
Speaker 1: them had to go to Bradley Whitford. It's actually culture
Speaker 1: number thirty. Bradley Whitford is a box office straw. And
Speaker 1: you're right, it went to Bradley I hope, but I said,
Speaker 1: I said, I mean, Bradley Whitford's in town, Okay. I
Speaker 1: was so happy to see him. And also kind of
Speaker 1: white hair on certain white men can Okay, I feel
Speaker 1: like we could, we could dive into a word season
Speaker 1: all the day to day. I've been, I've been. I
Speaker 1: actually wrote a missive today on Facebook about Iton. I'm
Speaker 1: down for Iton, I'm here for Ion. You see it, Yes,
Speaker 1: I did. I voted for Margo today A good for you.
Speaker 1: I think that she delivered the single best acted scene
Speaker 1: of the year, which one the makeup. I thought that
Speaker 1: was the emotional climax of the For me, it was
Speaker 1: her at the moment she really had me was when
Speaker 1: she was getting sentenced. That was the kicker. That was
Speaker 1: something I was like, Okay, she's she's here to stay.
Speaker 1: She's here to stay. She's so she produced that film,
Speaker 1: She's here to stay. UM. But we should ask the question,
Speaker 1: the question, Naomi, which is what was the culture that
Speaker 1: made you say cultures? For me? You were in your
Speaker 1: closet and you saw culture and you said, I don't
Speaker 1: wear of this for the rest of my life. Itself.
Speaker 1: Funn You know, I grew up as an only child,
Speaker 1: and so the two things I did were read and
Speaker 1: watch TV UM. So it's funny because you know, obviously
Speaker 1: I listened to Um and her different things. So in
Speaker 1: some ways we could say Babysitters Club cultures was addicted.
Speaker 1: I mean I owned UM. I was a member of
Speaker 1: the Babysitters Kids Club, like books sent to me to
Speaker 1: the point where I think I was thirteen, We sent
Speaker 1: almost a hundred books duplicates to the local library. My
Speaker 1: mom was like, because I would have the books and
Speaker 1: then part of the club, I would get the books.
Speaker 1: And so I had doubles my duplicates and gave them
Speaker 1: to the local library and like, but that's how many
Speaker 1: I had. And just when you know, I'm at home
Speaker 1: now and like, the books are still there exactly, I
Speaker 1: will not get Yeah, I'm grown and I'm keeping them.
Speaker 1: I met Anna and Martin twice. Um, I was afraid
Speaker 1: in silent both times. I was like literally like because
Speaker 1: she was she wasn't And it was so funny because
Speaker 1: you see this picture. It's like literally a plain white one,
Speaker 1: you know, like she was like literally like she was
Speaker 1: in a turtleneck. I had on a horrible puffy jacket
Speaker 1: and she was just like you know she but she
Speaker 1: was not this imposing person by me, and she was
Speaker 1: like I was terrified of her. Um. That was a
Speaker 1: big thing for me. UM. That was definitely and then
Speaker 1: I would also say to you know again, watching some
Speaker 1: much TV, a group on so many Disney Channel shows
Speaker 1: and like everything as how I knew I wanted to
Speaker 1: be an actor. A big thing for me was Angela
Speaker 1: on Boy Meat's World. Wow, Angela Broken Open. She was
Speaker 1: Riders Strong's Shawn's girlfriends towards the later season at the
Speaker 1: end of high school. She was a black girl. She
Speaker 1: was his girlfriend. And it wonder about who, I asked,
Speaker 1: being black was the problem. He was the problem. He
Speaker 1: was immature, and he being such a right or strong
Speaker 1: about it. He was such a strong rider and that
Speaker 1: was his that was his girlfriend, and that was huge
Speaker 1: for me. Honestly, nobody really talks about that. I'm always talking,
Speaker 1: always talking about Angelad. It was huge for me. And
Speaker 1: also write Strong was like the hot one, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I was already like into him anyway,
Speaker 1: and then he brought home this black woman and then
Speaker 1: I remember at the time she was looking it up,
Speaker 1: you know, and be like, who's she was like older
Speaker 1: than everybody, Like she was like an adult. They were
Speaker 1: all teens in the universe of the show. You know,
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, older, I don't know everything about it.
Speaker 1: I was like, and it made me feel like maybe
Speaker 1: they're space for me. But that was, you know, especially
Speaker 1: a Disney Channel show, and like they really it was
Speaker 1: a lot to do, she said, broke it up like
Speaker 1: Angela and Boime's were al was like, maybe it's time,
Speaker 1: you know what, as a love interest. It was huge
Speaker 1: because they always did the thing where it was like,
Speaker 1: and there's a black friend, there's a there's a exactly
Speaker 1: the black guy who wise cracks, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: or maybe you've got a nerdy black girlfriend and she's
Speaker 1: always the one who's like, she's not talking me now exactly.
Speaker 1: That was the first she was truly like kind of
Speaker 1: like a straight man like girlfriend on that show, which
Speaker 1: again you could there's problems with the archetype of that role,
Speaker 1: but we had only ever seen white girls play that
Speaker 1: role and the same kind of white girl to Pango,
Speaker 1: white girl, a white girl named to Panga, a black
Speaker 1: girl name Angela. I loved what they were doing. And
Speaker 1: then in the show, how did Angela come in? Was
Speaker 1: she a friend of someone's? And then started day I
Speaker 1: think she was just knew at school, you know, like
Speaker 1: I think she kind of came in with the new
Speaker 1: season the new school here. Yeah, and she was like
Speaker 1: Angela and Angela like had her had her ship together
Speaker 1: and writer was kind of a mess and she made
Speaker 1: him better. You know. Did they go to college and
Speaker 1: then they meet or was she come to the high school?
Speaker 1: She was high school? High school? Okay, she was high school, yes,
Speaker 1: and it was and they didn't. It was never a thing.
Speaker 1: There was never a very special she's black episode. Honestly,
Speaker 1: listeners call me out, um, but I don't remember that
Speaker 1: being like, it's like, it was never John You're doting
Speaker 1: a black girl. No one ever said that as far
Speaker 1: as I saw. And you know what's interesting about those
Speaker 1: Disney shows is they did come in with a snake
Speaker 1: attack sometimes and have like this very special episode. Like
Speaker 1: I remember there was an episode of Lizie McGuire one
Speaker 1: time where, um, I forget Miranda had It becomes clear
Speaker 1: that Miranda has like a problem with food. She's developing
Speaker 1: an eating disorder, and there's this scene where um, Gordon
Speaker 1: and Lizzie like kind of confront her and they're like,
Speaker 1: we care about you and we want to make sure
Speaker 1: that you're okay because we know that you're not. And
Speaker 1: she's kind of like you're right, guys, that's not Everything
Speaker 1: is okay. And then the episode kind of ends and
Speaker 1: my dad was like, I like that, I'm gonna show
Speaker 1: that to my students. My dad was a health teacher.
Speaker 1: I gonna show that to my students. I like that,
Speaker 1: what is this show? It's really good? Um, but it
Speaker 1: was a teaching stool. McGuire was a teacher. But like
Speaker 1: every other episode was like, oh no, my my foothurts.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like I'm not I'm not eating disorders.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. But yeah, I mean I see, I
Speaker 1: shamefully have to say that I have a Disney Channel
Speaker 1: blind Spot, thank you wellic No, I'm just saying I
Speaker 1: didn't get cable. I had none of it. So then
Speaker 1: so then because my parents thought they were doing me
Speaker 1: like a huge service by like they we're limiting the options,
Speaker 1: but not, what I ended up doing was just watching
Speaker 1: like lewd ass mad TV, Sketchy right, and like by
Speaker 1: the time I was nine, was saying it was like
Speaker 1: quoting like insane, like the Van Komb Lady just saying
Speaker 1: that crazy things, and I was like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: not normal. But I were cable queens, yes, true Cable
Speaker 1: queen Cable, Queen Cable, Queen Cable, queen always at it all,
Speaker 1: I had it all. Yeah, I was watching All Your
Speaker 1: Afraid of the Do okay. See that's that's where it
Speaker 1: started from me. I couldn't get through it. It was
Speaker 1: too scary, it was I loved it all, like I
Speaker 1: read goose Bumps, then the older version of goose Bumps,
Speaker 1: Fear Street. Yes, like into all of it. I've always
Speaker 1: loved her. The first movie I wrote movie probably like
Speaker 1: thirty pages, but it was in high school, and it
Speaker 1: was called People Get Dead, and it was meant to
Speaker 1: be like a funnier, like a cooler version of Scream.
Speaker 1: But like I always love that stuff. We have to
Speaker 1: have that, We have to have a full length people
Speaker 1: people make it even funnier than Scream? Do it? Now?
Speaker 1: Are you a horror fan? Like? Is that something that
Speaker 1: I really like it? It's funny though. Now I like
Speaker 1: to watch him with people. It's not that I'm afraid,
Speaker 1: but because horror does have that like cheese effect and
Speaker 1: it's so fun to kind of comment on. I don't
Speaker 1: like to watch him by myself. And Drew bu is
Speaker 1: not a horror fan because for him, he's like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't get scared, so I don't like it's not
Speaker 1: doing what it's supposed to do. Like he just doesn't
Speaker 1: feel it. Is it that he doesn't get scared or that,
Speaker 1: or is it that like he just just isn't like
Speaker 1: affected by like eience, I guess the same thing he's not.
Speaker 1: He's like because he's kind of like yeah, like he's like,
Speaker 1: I know it's gonna happen, not obviously exactly, but he's
Speaker 1: sort of like okay, and he's like, well, I know
Speaker 1: it's not a real person dying, so you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: so he doesn't he just like because logic his way
Speaker 1: out of it, whereas to me it is so real
Speaker 1: and insane, like it's so I don't really like as
Speaker 1: much the ones that involve a house where it's like
Speaker 1: about an all house now talented about in all house.
Speaker 1: I like, Um, I like more of the we're living
Speaker 1: lives and someone has come upon us and decided we
Speaker 1: must die that you know into like I know what
Speaker 1: you did last summer, like all of them. Those are fun, Yeah,
Speaker 1: those are fun. See the ones that get me. The
Speaker 1: thing is, I'm just very susceptible to a jump scare,
Speaker 1: which is all those things, my body physically hurts. No,
Speaker 1: I get it. I get anxious, But it's funny. I
Speaker 1: get just as anxious when I'm watching a show like
Speaker 1: Better Call Soul, where I know it's like, don't go
Speaker 1: in there because you go say something and they don't
Speaker 1: know you're lying in and then I get on edge.
Speaker 1: So it's the same kind of anxiety, which is why
Speaker 1: I think I'm like, Okay, we'll do for all of
Speaker 1: them well, because I would rather watch a jump scary
Speaker 1: thing than like sit through three episodes of Breaking Bad
Speaker 1: being like want. I had to stop watching Breaking Back
Speaker 1: because it was too much. Yeah, maybe there was this
Speaker 1: I've said this before, but the scene where Gus slits
Speaker 1: someone's throat in front of them to show them whose
Speaker 1: boss and that they are his bitch. Like I never
Speaker 1: saw that and I never will know it was. I
Speaker 1: had to stop. I was like, Okay, this show is
Speaker 1: officially too good. Game of Thrones I can barely. I
Speaker 1: I really can't because of the violence and like the
Speaker 1: bigness of it, like it just I don't know's it's
Speaker 1: too much. So you say, are you afraid of the dark?
Speaker 1: That maybe made me think maybe that was the Impetus
Speaker 1: because that ship was really scary. It was terrified. The
Speaker 1: Tia and Tamara episode. Tell you don't remember the Tia
Speaker 1: and Tamara episode. Tia and Tamara episode. By the way,
Speaker 1: I as I was leaving the house, I caught a
Speaker 1: little bit of the real Maybe it's Tara, it's Tamara
Speaker 1: and Lonnie Love is on it um and one of
Speaker 1: the checks from three w But the lady, the ladies
Speaker 1: were very emotional about Oprah. They all agree she shouldn't
Speaker 1: be president, but they were moved and Tamara had a
Speaker 1: cheerful moment. But it's this is very much a Tamara
Speaker 1: day because you bring up at your dark and their
Speaker 1: episode was this and this will sunk with me forever.
Speaker 1: So Tamara is living her life and she has this
Speaker 1: best friend and something happens where they go to this
Speaker 1: pet store and they get a lizard and they bring
Speaker 1: the lizard home. Now the lizards like a magic lizard.
Speaker 1: So the lizard somehow becomes a clone of Tamara. And
Speaker 1: of course, so Tia, who's this lizard, starts living the
Speaker 1: life of Tamara and she's evil and the best friend
Speaker 1: is like, something's weird, I don't know, lizard, she becomes
Speaker 1: Um the lizard, but Tamara or she gets like locked
Speaker 1: or something. Tamara is then becomes a person again somehow.
Speaker 1: So there's this scene where Tea and Tamara are both
Speaker 1: in the world, but really there's only one of them,
Speaker 1: so now they're both out there, and it's this horrifying
Speaker 1: scene where the best friend sees both of them and
Speaker 1: she's like freaked out. And it's somehow been established that
Speaker 1: if you spray one of them with water, they will
Speaker 1: turn back into the lizard and that will like that,
Speaker 1: that's the curse. I love it. I love a simple
Speaker 1: elemental exactly. And you know they only had like twelve
Speaker 1: minutes to step the step and the world build in
Speaker 1: twelve minutes, all this stuff, the lizard, the water, and
Speaker 1: I remember it to this day. So that's how you know,
Speaker 1: did it win a Pulitzer Prize? I don't know what
Speaker 1: do they win for this ship? Fucking peabody Send the
Speaker 1: peabody over post taste um but fucking So. Then the
Speaker 1: best friend is like looking from one of them to
Speaker 1: the other and she's like, it's me, your friend, and
Speaker 1: like no, she's like it's me. I know this thing
Speaker 1: about you, and it's like no, remember this, and like
Speaker 1: one of them says something that really connects and she
Speaker 1: sprays the other one with water and that she turns
Speaker 1: into the lizard. So then they hug and they're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, oh my god. Then the last scene
Speaker 1: in the episode, it was actually Tia going over to
Speaker 1: the lizard and being like, well, like says, well bite,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like you even I was like,
Speaker 1: this isn't that scary? But that's the thing it with you.
Speaker 1: The fear is in the injustice, especially as a child,
Speaker 1: right because you want it to all. You want to
Speaker 1: have the scary and what usually like. But then at
Speaker 1: the end it's all sorted right, like the evil is
Speaker 1: defeated in some capacity. Not this that is that will
Speaker 1: shake you to I'm saying it's existentially terrifying. It's irresponsible
Speaker 1: for kids to be watching it. What was that? Because
Speaker 1: I would read goose Bumps at the appropriate age and
Speaker 1: be like, this isn't sing scary? Did you genuinely find
Speaker 1: it scary? And with spear Streets, I never read fear Street. No,
Speaker 1: it was never really scary because it's funny because when
Speaker 1: I'm reading something the scary than it's up to my
Speaker 1: mind to conjure right, how avil or how gross or
Speaker 1: how whatever something. So I never really took it there.
Speaker 1: But what I've always liked about that kind of stuff
Speaker 1: because it's usually this mystery who's doing it? Why are
Speaker 1: they're doing it? And that engagement and the same reason
Speaker 1: why the true crime now and like all my procedurals
Speaker 1: and stuff, I am distracted enough like it for me
Speaker 1: is like the closest I can kind of come to
Speaker 1: being like out of my head, you know, to being like, oh,
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen here? You know what's gonna happen next?
Speaker 1: And I think that's what I liked about it. I
Speaker 1: wasn't terrified, but I was definitely engrossed. I needed to
Speaker 1: know it was a portal into some distressing situation that
Speaker 1: you could just like dip your toe and then and
Speaker 1: then opt out is whenever you want it, because okay,
Speaker 1: you know what, and I will say that was very astute. Okay,
Speaker 1: whatever the you're gonna get that, Copey Bow, come on
Speaker 1: a Stewart the um uh the TV show with whenever
Speaker 1: they would do Night of the Living dummy. Those were
Speaker 1: actually really they're scary. There is I'm terrified like dummies.
Speaker 1: The movie I remember I saw you Know What to Do?
Speaker 1: I saw I was a kid, maybe six years old,
Speaker 1: seven years old. They took me to see Child's play,
Speaker 1: not like just took me. It was like we were
Speaker 1: all everyone's going and it was like bring the kid
Speaker 1: to no fucking things. They were just like, let's bring
Speaker 1: Naomi to the the child now terrified for life. And my
Speaker 1: cousins didn't help because they totally terrified me. My cousin
Speaker 1: I we even had this toy where you put it
Speaker 1: like cassette tape in her back and all would talk.
Speaker 1: So it's like so my cousin, they go, her name
Speaker 1: is Susie Scribbles, was like the actual dollar Naomi, you
Speaker 1: gotta come tame to Susie. I'll go over there and
Speaker 1: they've recorded Hi, Naomi, I'm Susie. Chucky sister want to play.
Speaker 1: I hid in the bathroom for no. No, that's terrified
Speaker 1: because that was irresponsible of them. Evil evil. There's an
Speaker 1: evil in their spirits and I feel with Chucky like
Speaker 1: it really shouldn't be scary, but it fucking is. Okay,
Speaker 1: like it when everyone was like did you see it? Yep? Okay,
Speaker 1: see I would rather die than see it. I am
Speaker 1: on record like when you tell me that the kid's
Speaker 1: gonna I don't want kids dead. I know, I know,
Speaker 1: I don't. This hasn't happened a certain honestly, I don't
Speaker 1: want kids dead. And the lights went out for the
Speaker 1: listeners at home, the lights went out in the studio.
Speaker 1: And now I will go hide in the bathroom for hours.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Um put they're back. But here's the thing, like,
Speaker 1: did you do you like this new it? I thought
Speaker 1: it was fine again knowing what was gonna come, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, so I was more like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. I do think clowns are scary. I find
Speaker 1: the clowns creepy. But there is I just said, dipping
Speaker 1: your toe. There's something about you know, I get to
Speaker 1: see this, but I also get to leave many minutes
Speaker 1: right and go about my business. And that's very I
Speaker 1: think part of it. It's almost kind of a personal
Speaker 1: dare to stare in it too long, think of it
Speaker 1: as think of it as a think. And here's the thing,
Speaker 1: here's the weird thing. I'll do anything park ride, I've
Speaker 1: been skydiving, I've done this, and I will go to
Speaker 1: Haunted House is I kind of I'm obsessed, but I
Speaker 1: have the physical ability to run away on that ship,
Speaker 1: whereas in a movie, I don't know, I feel like
Speaker 1: it's just it's maybe it's the sound. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is. It's probably I didn't go through a
Speaker 1: horror movie kick when I was like fourteen, like right
Speaker 1: after Saw came out and it was like Saw the Grudge. Okay,
Speaker 1: right prior to that was The Ring Um, the remake
Speaker 1: of I've talked about this before, but the remake of
Speaker 1: The Health Have Eyes was truly disturbing. No, because it's
Speaker 1: actually really fucked. It's because there's like sexual there's like
Speaker 1: srapes clear from loss, Like this is insane, I mean,
Speaker 1: and that's what you could get away with. At that time.
Speaker 1: It was like that was when I was like four
Speaker 1: fifteen movies and I remember the one movie that came back,
Speaker 1: it was like the seventh one in a row. Also
Speaker 1: remember that movie with Dakota Fanning and Robert de Narrow
Speaker 1: Hide and Seek. Oh god, yes, fuck that movie they
Speaker 1: threw Elizabeth Shoo out a window. The one that I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm never going again was when Michael Keaton
Speaker 1: was in a low point in his career, and he
Speaker 1: did the movie White Noise. Remember the movie White Noise.
Speaker 1: I do remember White Noise, and the scary thing about
Speaker 1: it was just that White Noise would come on the television.
Speaker 1: But that's what I mean. I don't like if it's
Speaker 1: like we're in a house and some of these creepy
Speaker 1: like paranormal activity like the house. Yeah, I'm kind of like,
Speaker 1: I get it. It's like you can make it in
Speaker 1: a weekend, but it doesn't do What were the circumstances
Speaker 1: you described? I just the way you ordered that was beautiful.
Speaker 1: It was we're living, We're going about our lives and
Speaker 1: someone wants to kill someone comes in and decides that
Speaker 1: we should die. That's like, I don't know, it's like fun,
Speaker 1: it's fun. It's crazy. It's funny. Now, So if you
Speaker 1: are you and Jubu are hanging out, like what's the
Speaker 1: genre movie you guys are? Television show? What are you
Speaker 1: guys going to? It's not horror, it's not horror. He
Speaker 1: doesn't want to do horror. Sometimes I can try to
Speaker 1: make him watch it, but then he'll just like play
Speaker 1: Candy crosh on his phone. Here. That's that's self care
Speaker 1: to be detached that um we it's funny when we
Speaker 1: can never find anything. When we're like, let's just watch something,
Speaker 1: We'll put on some sort of Netflix stand up specials
Speaker 1: stand like if it's like if all sales, but then
Speaker 1: so much of our shows, like Firstance, we're really excited.
Speaker 1: I was like, Baskets is coming back. I love Baskets.
Speaker 1: We haven't talked about that show. He looks amazing in
Speaker 1: the promos on the posters, Louis Anderson, we were gonna say,
Speaker 1: don't you speak of I know well, and also just
Speaker 1: him being in the promos where I'm like, yes, because
Speaker 1: this show is Mama Baskets. Okay, Mama Baskets is the
Speaker 1: heart and the soul. That is the character I am
Speaker 1: most invested in. It's such a weird show. I think
Speaker 1: it's so interesting that it hasn't gotten like a globe
Speaker 1: numb because it's weird and the form for some stuff, right,
Speaker 1: Louization was last season maybe like the very first seas.
Speaker 1: I forget what it was it was on before. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it was an Emmy and I think
Speaker 1: it's something too. Yeah, I'm sure, yeah, but there's something
Speaker 1: I'm like Baskets is just so weird. Um, but I
Speaker 1: love that show. I love you know, Catastrophe is one
Speaker 1: of my favorites. Um, A lot of like I think,
Speaker 1: I like, uh, comedies with gravitas. You know what that's
Speaker 1: you know what I feel like. I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: shouting into it like a like a like a well
Speaker 1: or something that's not an expression shouting trying to get
Speaker 1: that lizard to trying to wait back up to wait
Speaker 1: before wait before I forget tamarrow Uh. Tamara shared an
Speaker 1: amazing stuffing recipe on Thanksgiving and I made it and
Speaker 1: it was delicious, a delicious stuff savory stuffing with meat,
Speaker 1: with sausage but also with little bits of apple. It
Speaker 1: was just savory, was delicious. I just want to say
Speaker 1: now that we're talking about Samara and I have to say,
Speaker 1: shout out to sister or sister. It's actually rule number
Speaker 1: one one culture. Jack is Queen Mary and Jackie apparently
Speaker 1: is she loves to block on Twitter for no good reason. Really,
Speaker 1: she has no time, has no time for your toxicity.
Speaker 1: Friend of the show, Matt Bellasi, if you're listening, Um,
Speaker 1: he has a great podcast called Unhappy Hour. He pin
Speaker 1: his pin tweet is a screenshot of Jackie Jackue Henry's
Speaker 1: blocking him for no reason. She's like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what I did, like I love you like Jackie Harry
Speaker 1: or Jackie Henry Harry Harry Harry. Sorry, um um, but yeah, no,
Speaker 1: she's Queen Jackie. She took lines that were not laugh
Speaker 1: lines and made them laugh lines, like she's the queen
Speaker 1: of an inflection to like turn something. That's the way
Speaker 1: she says it. It's not it's literally just a tone
Speaker 1: like I mean, y'all did y'all see two to seven?
Speaker 1: So when I said, Mary, were you familiar? I know
Speaker 1: where it comes from, but I have never seen I
Speaker 1: know it's for the birthplace of Regina King. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: where she was. She was born on the set seven
Speaker 1: and her her first role. Um Naomi, I um, I
Speaker 1: think I just need to ask you, what is it
Speaker 1: like writing for Andrea? Is it? I mean, miss Martin,
Speaker 1: Miss Martin, Miss Martin on Great News? Just just just
Speaker 1: just talk about the show. I mean, like it's well, no,
Speaker 1: I mean I think it's uh, it was great in general.
Speaker 1: You know it's obviously I came in on season two,
Speaker 1: so they already had a little bit of not a
Speaker 1: little bit a system in place. It was interesting to, um,
Speaker 1: you know, Andrew is so fucking good, she's the actress.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, the style I think is
Speaker 1: so different that thirty right, that kind of jokey, jokey,
Speaker 1: super fast paced. It was so interesting because okay, i'll
Speaker 1: tell you my one Andrew. So there's like one thing
Speaker 1: where her character cut well, it's more like being on set,
Speaker 1: like the one time I was on set. So I
Speaker 1: co wrote episode twelve, and so I was on set
Speaker 1: doing that episode and her character is like wearing she's
Speaker 1: a Chicos jacket because Chicos is her character's life. Um,
Speaker 1: and she's like trying to get her jacket off, so
Speaker 1: she's kind of like pumping her shoulders and the line
Speaker 1: was like, oh no, I think I'm turking And then
Speaker 1: like on set and then literally she's like, Naomi, we
Speaker 1: need you, and I was like, what what do you need?
Speaker 1: What can I do? How can hell? And he goes,
Speaker 1: can you show Andrew turking in? It was so my
Speaker 1: Andrew Martin stories that I had to show oh legend
Speaker 1: Andrea Martin work, which I need everyone to know that
Speaker 1: I can't do. So it was more like I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like more of a booty pop however free
Speaker 1: you want to be. But it was so crazy, and
Speaker 1: she was like she was like okay, okay, you know
Speaker 1: she takes it all seriously right, like she's gonna be like, okay,
Speaker 1: how do I do this? And that was like both
Speaker 1: of you, both of you went above and beyond in
Speaker 1: that scenario, because that's the situations that were that well,
Speaker 1: shall we say, foisted upon you by circumstances, circumstance. That's insane,
Speaker 1: Like I would to be a fly on the wall
Speaker 1: for that. It was so crazy. But I was like,
Speaker 1: she's so like cool and down. You know, she's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll do it whatever it is. You know, she's like
Speaker 1: explained to me at reference or or she'll be like
Speaker 1: sounds crazy, like I'm into it. Like she was just
Speaker 1: so game at all times. Now I have to ask
Speaker 1: a question, Nicole Richie, that's the question, question Mark. I
Speaker 1: had no idea she was even an actress. Didn't know
Speaker 1: it was a thing. Again, apparently everyone tells me she's
Speaker 1: great on the show. She's wonderful. I'm gonna say something
Speaker 1: that is you might in advance when I edited out
Speaker 1: I auditioned for the Nicole Richie is so funny? Why not?
Speaker 1: But again no callbacks. It's fine, but no, she is
Speaker 1: first of all super fucking nice and regular, which I
Speaker 1: think you never at least me, I never expect whenever
Speaker 1: someone like grows up in kind of famous life that
Speaker 1: you just assume like, okay, you're not connected to reality.
Speaker 1: Super nice, really funny, always nailed it, you know, and
Speaker 1: also such there's such a for that character. There's such
Speaker 1: a clear cadence, right, so you can kind of you know,
Speaker 1: when it comes to writing that character. It's actually not easy,
Speaker 1: but kind of easier because you know what her thing
Speaker 1: is going to be. It's that tone, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Now? Was the performance that she gives us
Speaker 1: a different than the take that you had on it?
Speaker 1: Like super different completely? Yeah, I only sent ale Richie.
Speaker 1: We take a job, we take it hugely. The beauty
Speaker 1: of acting, that's the beauteo of acting. It's about choices,
Speaker 1: taking choices, like making choices and what you can bring
Speaker 1: as a Nicole Richie. Do you like to audition? I
Speaker 1: don't like Auditioney Mile like working here. Naomi and Naomi
Speaker 1: extended a beautiful invitation for pilot season stuff. Next time
Speaker 1: we're in l A. Hopefully maybe it'll be that's beautiful.
Speaker 1: I mean I will be put up for the same part.
Speaker 1: We're hoping it will be quicky, bespectacled, other spectacle, quirky, bespectacled,
Speaker 1: other types. I get officious and well dressed assistant. And
Speaker 1: we know what officious and well dressed me. It means gay.
Speaker 1: Listeners of last stories, that's it means gay, fastidious. That's
Speaker 1: a good words. Sassy. And actually someone actually said this
Speaker 1: to me recently about the words sassy, because I thought
Speaker 1: like sassy was a word like that gay people could
Speaker 1: get piste off from being described as and now also
Speaker 1: like black women being described as sassie. I talked to
Speaker 1: a white woman recently who was like, I hate the
Speaker 1: word sassy. I feel like it's meant to target black women.
Speaker 1: I think it's I mean, white women. I think it's
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's to say overweight. That's
Speaker 1: so funny. I never thought of sass, but you know
Speaker 1: what I think it is. I think it's just that
Speaker 1: everyone universally hates the words sassy, and no one wants
Speaker 1: to be called sassy. Because I think sassy. We actually
Speaker 1: threw it in the troubles and I don't think so. Honey, topic,
Speaker 1: somebody pulled the word sassy, but I think sassy means annoying,
Speaker 1: like me, it means like too much, right, And I
Speaker 1: don't think anyone's taking the words sassy. And it's like
Speaker 1: I'm a little sassy. No one's exactly. No one's ever
Speaker 1: self described assassy. No one. If you do get at it,
Speaker 1: it's like you're not to be trusted. If you describe
Speaker 1: yourself as sassy. You're gonna steal my identity. Believe it.
Speaker 1: And imagine, imagine telling a straight man you're sassy. They
Speaker 1: wouldn't take it well either. They'd be like, what the reason?
Speaker 1: The reason they wouldn't take it well? Because of all
Speaker 1: the weight that it carries with like mostly like the
Speaker 1: way it's been hurdled at black women. Right. I just think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the reason we don't like it, it's the same reason
Speaker 1: you wouldn't like it. It was the name of a
Speaker 1: teen magazine then tells you who's sassy. It's literally sassy.
Speaker 1: I only want to hear it in one way, and
Speaker 1: it's as the cat that Sally Field plays and homeward bound.
Speaker 1: Her name is Sassy, and I think it's fine, right,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say the name of a horse and
Speaker 1: roys horse only a horse. He has a horse named Sassy.
Speaker 1: He rode to the balls on his horse names. You
Speaker 1: had to follow the whole but the whole cycle, Honney,
Speaker 1: I did not know he had a horse named Sassy.
Speaker 1: Everyone that's too. Everyone's tweets that night were like, we
Speaker 1: hope Sassy is you know, survives or Sassy already got
Speaker 1: her on account. Sassy got more followers in all of
Speaker 1: us combined. You know, Sassy's doing well. I hope Sassy
Speaker 1: is doing well. Sassy's doing great. Is the horse? This
Speaker 1: is maybe going to offend some sensitive viewers of Lost.
Speaker 1: I mean I always do that always because podcasts are
Speaker 1: visual medium. Is it true, the thing of horses getting
Speaker 1: made to glue? Yeah? I mean is it? What is it?
Speaker 1: The hooves? It's like the com well, what does it
Speaker 1: tell us? Because it's it's mostly like beef and sheep
Speaker 1: and other animals that are raised for me by process,
Speaker 1: every part of the animal they used. The hoose that's
Speaker 1: horrible and like the Elmer's glue cow is like literally
Speaker 1: because it's like it's no what materials? Why is gelatine?
Speaker 1: And marshmallows? Oh as a as this thickening agent. I
Speaker 1: would say, of course I get the purpose, but I
Speaker 1: think that we have so much technology and so many
Speaker 1: advances that you're gonna take a little tree on top
Speaker 1: of a cocoa and put animal bones in. Gotta be
Speaker 1: an easier way. I don't think, so, honey, I don't
Speaker 1: think so. I don't think so honey, Marshmallows that have
Speaker 1: you know what? This is a perfect segue, and I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey. Well, this is flown by, this
Speaker 1: flown by. I could keep doing this Ford but and
Speaker 1: here's the thing, here's the real gag is that we
Speaker 1: have never heard and I don't think so honey from Naomi.
Speaker 1: I feel that this is what you were made to do.
Speaker 1: And we've had three live shows. Now now are you
Speaker 1: in New York now for the Foreseeable Future at seven
Speaker 1: pm at at nerd Melts. But this is historic, this
Speaker 1: is Naomi's first I'm like, I'm like nervous because it's
Speaker 1: kind of like I don't think so honey about most things,
Speaker 1: and so it's almost like, what is the thing, Oh,
Speaker 1: you have your pick. I feel like it's going to
Speaker 1: be divisive, but I think every good I don't think
Speaker 1: So Honey should be the ones that get people talking,
Speaker 1: the ones that people remember. I will say this, Um,
Speaker 1: we've been fielding a lot of requests lately to come
Speaker 1: to California and do it. I don't think So Honey
Speaker 1: Live show now. I don't know if we're ready to
Speaker 1: announce anything yet, but I think we are ready to
Speaker 1: tease that maybe we will be coming to California this summer.
Speaker 1: And that's all we're gonna say about that. We would
Speaker 1: love to come out sooner, but maybe Northern California can
Speaker 1: look forward to us being out there. She's getting more species.
Speaker 1: Maybe come June July. Okay, Northern California. That's for you,
Speaker 1: My my people lucked up in Alcatraz. A dog whistle.
Speaker 1: That's the scream that I'm just I'm just saying, I
Speaker 1: love a good tease. I love I love good It's
Speaker 1: just like I love how you always hear it here first,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I love it. It's like
Speaker 1: it is a it's a whisper campaign. The trades, we beat,
Speaker 1: the trades to us we break we break things here
Speaker 1: like you wouldn't believe. Now, I actually want to break
Speaker 1: from tradition and have Bowen go first. If that's okay,
Speaker 1: not tradition. I feel like this is pretty common. I
Speaker 1: feel like I regularly go first. I feel I regularly
Speaker 1: go first. Well, um, okay, I have I have a
Speaker 1: I have a specific one, and I'm all right. So
Speaker 1: this is Bowen Yanks. I don't think so, honey, and
Speaker 1: his time will begin now. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: The highways leading from New York City to New Rochelle,
Speaker 1: but I had to travail the perilous highways and there
Speaker 1: were three close calls this morning, Honey. I had a
Speaker 1: five am call. Bitch. I was on set. And I
Speaker 1: get to say this work because I was putting myself
Speaker 1: out there for the for the arts, for to contribute
Speaker 1: to entertainments. And I was doing the noble thing of
Speaker 1: going to set early in the morning and being driven
Speaker 1: by a van that met me in Union Square at
Speaker 1: five in the morning. And the driver, God blessed him, Michael.
Speaker 1: He was great and he was also he was also
Speaker 1: a p a on set. He drove the best he could,
Speaker 1: but the roads were icy and the highways. The sign
Speaker 1: the signage is trash, honey, So New Rochelle get your
Speaker 1: municipal board or whatever the fuck to fix this, because
Speaker 1: this is the lives are at steak. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: The highways leading to New roach out. That's one minute.
Speaker 1: You know what, I committed to it. It's specific, No,
Speaker 1: it was wonderful of it. And then we get a
Speaker 1: glimpse into your life as an actor who wakes up early,
Speaker 1: called times, all times, and that's part of my life.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Make it manifest, um,
Speaker 1: But residents of New Rochelle, it's a lovely township. Township.
Speaker 1: Township is a town, not only ship, lovely hamlet ship.
Speaker 1: But I want I want real change to be affected.
Speaker 1: Oprah is inspiring me. I might not have the same
Speaker 1: power or the same the same audience but the same range,
Speaker 1: but I can make a change. Okay, I'm sure. Okay,
Speaker 1: if you're the comptroller of New Rochelle, contact the controller.
Speaker 1: I bet her name is Sheila. I bet she's I
Speaker 1: bet she's powerful, but she's not doing enough. Okay. I
Speaker 1: hope it's a woman named Daniel. Daniel. Um, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I have I have um wait, did I just fucking
Speaker 1: forget it? No? I didn't. I didn't even have it.
Speaker 1: So because I was rotating between three, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: that was gonna do. I was gonna do. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey, Dark Shadows, whatever would have been great
Speaker 1: because you've gotten the title round. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. You have to wake up
Speaker 1: so early in the morning to watch the Oscar nominations
Speaker 1: for US, It's okay, And so I've settled on a
Speaker 1: third one and I'm ready. Okay, So this is Matt Rodgers.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, and his time starts now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. When there's a major nomination
Speaker 1: announcement and it's so hard to find the fucking full list, honey,
Speaker 1: why is it so freaking hard to find the pdf
Speaker 1: with all the nominations? Bitch? How come when I was
Speaker 1: voting today for SAG, I had to search. I had
Speaker 1: to proverbially wade through the waters to find out who
Speaker 1: was actually nominated for these movies. I went to the
Speaker 1: SAG website, Honey, Screen Actuals Guild dot com. That is
Speaker 1: not what it is, but it but it probably is
Speaker 1: I went there and I literally had to wade through.
Speaker 1: I couldn't find it. It's so hard. You can't google
Speaker 1: search SAG nominations because then you get everyone's fucking take. Ever,
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear fucking uh Laurie Metcalf's reacts
Speaker 1: to her fucking Austin Film Critics Award. I want to
Speaker 1: know who's nominated. Also, I don't think so, honey, when
Speaker 1: the Screen act is guilt nominations come out and they
Speaker 1: don't nominate the whole cast Get Out Betty Gabriel does
Speaker 1: not benefit from them winning if they win. And meanwhile,
Speaker 1: that is the definition of an ensemble moment. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. Screen Actress Guild nominations. Why he's hard
Speaker 1: to find? Why are you so weird? And well, listen,
Speaker 1: it's that my I don't think so. Money was one thing,
Speaker 1: but I am shocked and dismayed to find out that
Speaker 1: you don't benefit from a cast being nominated at the
Speaker 1: Screen Actress Guild for the ensemble unless you are on
Speaker 1: your own title card. Yes, if you share a title
Speaker 1: carpet someone else. Therefore, in the cast of in the
Speaker 1: cast of Get Out, Little Roll does not get a
Speaker 1: nomination and he's a huge part of them. He's the
Speaker 1: definition of a supporting actor. And Betty Gabriel does not
Speaker 1: get a nomination. If they win, they don't win. Her
Speaker 1: moment in that movie that no no, no, no, no
Speaker 1: no no, being able, like that's that's what I mean
Speaker 1: by an athlete, so of an actor, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like that is crazy, like to having the
Speaker 1: script silently, she breaks down but says and keeps her
Speaker 1: tone of voice in one way, that's like fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: And the fact that I go to the Screen Actress
Speaker 1: Guild and they get a nomination and this is the
Speaker 1: word's body that literally fucking orange. The New Black winds oranges,
Speaker 1: The New Black wins. Hundreds of people are on stage,
Speaker 1: but get out. You're not even nominating people who are
Speaker 1: major turning the script. Yeah, yeah, it's weird, it's bizarre.
Speaker 1: It's a stupid rule, right, I really quickly, I want
Speaker 1: to say, because Mike was watching it out my roomment
Speaker 1: was watching it out last night too, and the part
Speaker 1: where Betty is in the car with him and wakes
Speaker 1: up and I didn't realize. But the thing she says
Speaker 1: is you ruined my house. Yeah, not not like you
Speaker 1: killed my family. It was like, oh, like the grandma
Speaker 1: is such a shitty or something like she doesn't care
Speaker 1: about her friend the house because you know that she's
Speaker 1: been like I've had to front as the housekeeper. Like
Speaker 1: he wasn't not out there chopping the woods were still
Speaker 1: doing the work. Yeah right, but they had the bodies. Listen,
Speaker 1: I have the biden to do medial tasks. I mean,
Speaker 1: I want to do menial tasks. You're right, You're right here.
Speaker 1: It's a hole in the script, Jordan. I have bombs
Speaker 1: more qualms than I thought. But I'm happy I said that.
Speaker 1: That's a real I don't think so, honey, of my
Speaker 1: life and you wanted the pdf, honey, okay, great. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I like I was, you know, I was
Speaker 1: like preparing emotionally, and then last week we're supposed to
Speaker 1: meet during the bomb side clone like and so now
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't even know what I have today.
Speaker 1: We can we can give you. We can give you
Speaker 1: all the time you need if you wanted to stall
Speaker 1: a little bit, but I think you will, you will.
Speaker 1: What would what would you do if you had to
Speaker 1: stall right now? What would you say? I say, bless
Speaker 1: your heart. There is not someone I and whom I
Speaker 1: believe in more than nakes. That's how I feel like
Speaker 1: I was in since giving her a moment to think,
Speaker 1: and you've so you've ad now you've now taken focus,
Speaker 1: and I've put her I've heard putting putting pressure on her.
Speaker 1: I think, so honey. I think I haven't. I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey. I don't think so honey. Her time
Speaker 1: starts now. I don't think so honey. There being one
Speaker 1: black woman who's supposed to do everything. Honey. We don't
Speaker 1: decided Ophs a goddamn mochel, even step Men happy Chi,
Speaker 1: even Gail paid, and you want her to be president.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Let her sit down. Okay,
Speaker 1: we have to stop making it be like if you
Speaker 1: are a black woman, you gotta get to be a
Speaker 1: hundred and t and then you got to be everything
Speaker 1: for everybody. I don't think so honey. To people who
Speaker 1: are now saying Oprah Beyonce, I don't think so honey. Okay,
Speaker 1: you look at a record and be angry your man
Speaker 1: for cheating that on me. You can deal with some
Speaker 1: foreign policy. I don't think so honey. Deciding that if
Speaker 1: you have excellence in one arena, you get excellence in
Speaker 1: all the arenas. I don't think so honey to not
Speaker 1: letting more people at the table, Yes, Suny, last three seconds,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, I don't think so honey to y'all
Speaker 1: losing y'all. Damn mind Oprah wearing glasses and that's one minute.
Speaker 1: How doesn't she always wearing glasses? And she goes on Joey.
Speaker 1: That was one for the books because it was true.
Speaker 1: It talked about what was happening in the culture, absolutely,
Speaker 1: but also just expanded broadly beyond that about what the
Speaker 1: way people think because it's it's always yet another day
Speaker 1: in America and the black a black woman does all
Speaker 1: the work. It's it's just my friend. I will say
Speaker 1: this though, Um, like it was crazy that the two
Speaker 1: speeches people have lost their minds about were Michelle Obama
Speaker 1: and then oh I just like within like two years
Speaker 1: of each other, and just the expectation that was foisted
Speaker 1: upon them. Well, it's after merely giving a speech and
Speaker 1: doing well, which you want to do, Like the goal
Speaker 1: wasn't to go out there and like perform at a
Speaker 1: six and throw the speech and be like I don't
Speaker 1: want I don't want them to want me to run
Speaker 1: the thing. I don't want them to because you would
Speaker 1: think it's like, Okay, I have a degree, I've been
Speaker 1: on television for over twenty years. I know how to
Speaker 1: speak and use words. And you actually put them all together,
Speaker 1: had a couple of good hand motions, and you said,
Speaker 1: run this word. Let the woman rest, honey, I want
Speaker 1: to at the end of that, don't make her president.
Speaker 1: Let her take off her spad. Yes, she looked amazing.
Speaker 1: Thing that sucks is now it's like immediately because of
Speaker 1: the culture that we're in right now, it's like the
Speaker 1: backlash I started against Oprah. It's like she didn't do
Speaker 1: any and the fact that sometimes that's what makes me
Speaker 1: worry about like next election. It's like we're all over
Speaker 1: here like argument she should be president, she shouldn't be president.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't think that about her. It becomes such a fight.
Speaker 1: And then meanwhile, like the Nazis are storming, and it's
Speaker 1: kind of like it's like a name, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like it's like what do you get
Speaker 1: out him calling? People were posting this thing of like
Speaker 1: this headline of like Oprah is actually a neoliberal capitalist machine.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, like, let target on her
Speaker 1: back in a way that I hate. Now, you know,
Speaker 1: you have Trump like saying something, Yeah, well he hasn't
Speaker 1: tweeted about oh, and I think that says something to
Speaker 1: her power. Well, he actually has tweeted in the past
Speaker 1: that he adores Oprah and in fact, one time he
Speaker 1: even said he would consider her as a running in
Speaker 1: the nineties when he was still like writing, like joking,
Speaker 1: like right, So I think he actually maybe hasn't said
Speaker 1: anything because there is some actual fear there. And I
Speaker 1: say that not to stoke the flames of everyone who
Speaker 1: really wants to run for president, because I think it's
Speaker 1: not We have to also think about what she wants people.
Speaker 1: She's a person. She's living a life, dott Have you
Speaker 1: seen the freaking taco party. That's a full time job
Speaker 1: right there. It's like, let's get another Legends ball together.
Speaker 1: Let's put that on the top of the list. The
Speaker 1: amount of vegetable she picks in one go is picture
Speaker 1: but she has to hold them up to the cameras, honey,
Speaker 1: And that is a feat. That's a physical feast. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. Okay, well that was beautiful. That was amazing.
Speaker 1: I mean we hit on the culture. We had on
Speaker 1: the culture, and this is oh, this is topical culture.
Speaker 1: This was one of the most topical episodes, one of
Speaker 1: the best episodes with one of the best guests. And
Speaker 1: that's how you get when you have a cable queen Cable,
Speaker 1: queen Cable, Queen's baby, and you remain a cable queen
Speaker 1: to this day. Naturally, Yes, but she writes for network, right.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, I was deciding I just got
Speaker 1: Verizon five else um, and I was deciding whether I
Speaker 1: was going to get cable, like big time cable, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna get it. You gotta have it.
Speaker 1: It's your job. I'm young, I'm interested. You have to
Speaker 1: be part of culture. You know what I need? Bravo Naturally,
Speaker 1: do you watch housewives? You know I don't do housewives
Speaker 1: because did I until last week? No? You and now
Speaker 1: you're indeed listened to Erika Jane on the way here.
Speaker 1: I listen to her music. What is that New York
Speaker 1: or Beverly Hills. Okay, the houses I watched New York
Speaker 1: and Beverly Hills, those are the two I think you need.
Speaker 1: I mean money. Can't Buy Your Class is one of
Speaker 1: the greatest songs of our time, So like that. I know.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately it will be some time before new music from
Speaker 1: the Countess. I know she's going through some man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we talked about that last week. I'm full. Listen just
Speaker 1: one more time. Check out the Comedy Central half Hour's
Speaker 1: Dream Great News, and especially episode twelve Writer coming in
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