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Speaker 1: Has a league fifteen to ten touchdown Chargers.

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Speaker 2: What's up, guys, We are back with a brand new

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Speaker 2: episode of Chargers Weekly has always joined by Matt Bunny Smith.

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Speaker 2: Chargers in the midst of a three game losing streak

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Speaker 2: after dropping one on Sunday Night to the Ravens twenty

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Speaker 2: to ten, and Buddy, I feel like we're a broken

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Speaker 2: record these last three weeks in terms of the late

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Speaker 2: game execution and the inability to win games that.

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Speaker 3: They absolutely could have won.

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Speaker 1: This was another one, sure, and I think that's as

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Speaker 1: my voice cracks, I think that's, you know, the most

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Speaker 1: frustrating part, you know, not just for fans, but no

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Speaker 1: doubt the players and the coaches and the front office

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Speaker 1: and ownership and everybody, is that you're not getting blown

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Speaker 1: off the field. You know you're you're in position to

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Speaker 1: win the games, whether you win on defense like they

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the best defensive performance we've seen since

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Speaker 1: Miami last year. I know they didn't have Mark Andrews,

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Speaker 1: but it's still one of the best rushing attacks in

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Speaker 1: the league. It's one of the best overall offenses. They

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Speaker 1: have explosive receivers in Jay Flowers and Rashad Bateman, Isaiah

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Speaker 1: Likely's a very good tight end. They have a really

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Speaker 1: good offensive line, and the defense shut him down. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's a team I know again, I get it, Mark

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Speaker 1: Andrews probably behind Travis Kelce best tight end in the

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Speaker 1: league with Kittle like, it's those three that we talk

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Speaker 1: about all the time. But I mean, they scored over

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Speaker 1: thirty points five games in a row and this defense

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Speaker 1: was able to shut him down. You know, Brandon Staley,

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Speaker 1: the changes he made and the defense that he called.

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Speaker 1: I thought Dean Leonard played well after a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a hiccup there in the late first early second quarter,

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Speaker 1: the defense looked connected, pass rush got home and that

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Speaker 1: the coverage was still for the most part sticky. There

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Speaker 1: was a little bit, you know, there were a few there,

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Speaker 1: and you know, there's a couple things we'll get into.

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Speaker 1: But I think that's kind of what you're talking about, Chris,

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Speaker 1: in terms of the broken record, is we're saying the

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Speaker 1: same thing every week. Man, they're close, and you just

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Speaker 1: need to execute in these particular moments to get wins,

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Speaker 1: and instead they don't execute when they have to execute,

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Speaker 1: and they lose, and that's how you lose.

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Speaker 4: Five of seven and you're sitting at four and seven.

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Speaker 2: The theme has been just when one unit is on

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Speaker 2: the other one is not right and right. You know,

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Speaker 2: we can go back to the beginning of the year

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Speaker 2: where you know, both the defense in the offense. Let's

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Speaker 2: say let's say Week one, for example, defense not playing well,

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Speaker 2: offense lighten it up, but late in games the offense

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Speaker 2: couldn't get that drive to win a game and beat

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Speaker 2: the Dolphins, losing by two. Tennessee an offensive breakdown last

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Speaker 2: week against Green Bay before this game begains Baltimore a

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Speaker 2: chance to tie it or win the game. Could not

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Speaker 2: do it again. Justin Tucker, who never misses field goals,

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Speaker 2: misses the field goal gives you a golden opportunity to

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Speaker 2: go down the field, tie the game, or go ahead,

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Speaker 2: and you can't do it. So it's been the defense

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Speaker 2: some weeks, it's been the offense other weeks. There really

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Speaker 2: hasn't been a consistent unit all season long. I guess

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Speaker 2: you could point to the special team's large stretches. Right

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Speaker 2: camer Dicker, I guess is maybe your most consistent player

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Speaker 2: this year. But that's what's frustrating, money is this team

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Speaker 2: is losing close games and they're not connected, and four

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Speaker 2: and seven is not what anybody expected here as we

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Speaker 2: enter December, and I just wonder where do you go

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Speaker 2: from here? Like, at this point after Thanksgiving, you are

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Speaker 2: who you are, You're not able to win close games.

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Speaker 2: You got New England on Sunday, We're not even talking

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Speaker 3: Where do you go?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 1: I think where you go is you still have this belief, right,

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Speaker 1: you still have this belief because you're in all these games.

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Speaker 1: If we can just make this play, if that ball

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Speaker 1: So I think that's that's maybe that last that last

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Speaker 1: they only have two wins on the season, they're two

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Speaker 1: three years with the Patriots this week and asked, you know,

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Speaker 1: what was it like going on the field in the

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Speaker 1: what's most frustrating is we're not asking these players that

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like, the team is not asking the

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Speaker 4: And they're not.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're just not across the board for the

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Speaker 1: and carry some momentum in their stripsack. You know, in

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Speaker 1: you can see it, Like what, that's what's frustrating. You

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Speaker 1: don't need I don't you know that the team does

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Speaker 1: not need Justin Herbert to escape from four pass rushers,

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Speaker 4: It's just get rid of the football.

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Speaker 1: Just recognize they're gonna probably and it's beyond Justin right,

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Speaker 1: It's Kellen Moore, it's Keenan, it's the offensive line, it's

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Speaker 1: the tight ends. Like you know what's coming. Every team

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Speaker 1: has done this to you in the final two minutes.

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Speaker 1: If they haven't been blitzing you game, they are bringing

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Speaker 1: it's you've not been able to execute when they do that,

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Speaker 1: and I think to see those same mistakes appear over

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Speaker 1: and over and over again, you just kind of ask yourself, well,

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Speaker 1: when's it gonna stop? Like when when are you going

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Speaker 1: to recognize that, like you said, it's Thanksgiving and these

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Speaker 1: same things are still happening.

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Speaker 3: Brady's a perfect example.

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Speaker 2: I think the xtaposition to what we're talking about right

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Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts and the Eagles because he's fourth when it's

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Speaker 2: fourth quarter, it's time to win, and Jalen Hurts wins.

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Speaker 2: And I think that offense is connected. You got vets

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Speaker 3: It's not just justin.

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Speaker 2: Right, it's a collective lack of offensive execution late in

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Speaker 3: So that's one side of the puzzle. You're right, this

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Speaker 1: I'll jump in there real quick, Chris on the Justin thing, though,

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Speaker 1: like all the people that are asking, like, hey, where

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Speaker 1: did that come from? In Green Bay when you got

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Speaker 1: I would say I want that on every snap, every snap,

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Speaker 1: in the league. That is, you need to be Tom Brady.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've heard the miked up Tom Brady's You've

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Speaker 1: Took zero s zero if you fed up, they were

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying be a jerk. All I'm saying is

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Speaker 1: You have got to be in the moment and be

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Speaker 1: So I think there, I do think, and I think

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Speaker 4: We have no idea what that sounds like.

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Speaker 1: What I'm just saying, I think I think moments like

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Speaker 1: right is and just see because we don't see that,

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Speaker 1: Let's just see what a kick in the pants looks

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Speaker 1: like and if that's maybe something that you need to

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Speaker 4: Over the hump.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: Jeff Miller asked Justin at the podium yesterday about late

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Speaker 2: game situations and if he's worried about his reputation, and

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Speaker 2: Justin gave a great answer, Hey, it's all me. This

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Speaker 2: is how I could have changed it, and I could

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Speaker 2: have been better in that situation.

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Speaker 3: And that's what a leader does. The thing is, we've

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Speaker 3: seen Justin do this, monny?

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Speaker 2: How many how many game winning drives team called in

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Speaker 2: previous seasons? Right, It's not like, yeah, we haven't seen

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Speaker 2: It's not like we haven't seen him do this. He

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Speaker 2: did this all the time this year. For whatever reason,

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Speaker 2: going back to Week eighteen Jacksonville. In this season, this

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Speaker 2: And that's all three phases, right, That's not just Justin.

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Speaker 2: though it's like, hey, we maybe we were out played,

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Speaker 3: So we haven't seen that this year at all.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's what's so frustrating is because you know,

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Speaker 1: This is now two games in a row, and it

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Speaker 1: Like you score a touchdown on the opening drive against

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Speaker 1: Patriots on gamer, Chris, you're a gamer. I'm a sometimes

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Speaker 1: you gotta get sometimes.

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Speaker 5: I'm digging deep.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking on the screen right now and they're showing

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Speaker 2: Bailey Zappie highlights against the Giants.

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Speaker 5: Uh, that's the big mystery. Now.

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Speaker 2: It looks like Mac has been relegated to scout team duties.

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Speaker 2: So it's Malik Cunningham and Bailey Zappi who I think

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Speaker 2: the Chargers really need to be prepared for. That offense

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Speaker 2: has been a mess all year. But the defense, hey,

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Speaker 2: they they've held them the last two weeks. I think

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Speaker 2: they held the Colts to ten points. The Giants are

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Speaker 2: ten points and they still lose the games.

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Speaker 1: It's exactly right. It's like we said, it's got to

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Speaker 1: be tougher than you think. This defense is still a

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Speaker 1: and I'm pulling it up right now, it's still a

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick coordinated defense. You know, losing Jude On was huge,

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Speaker 1: But at the same so here's what I would say

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Speaker 1: this is, if if we're gonna kind of okay, how

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Speaker 1: do they how do they get out of here with

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Speaker 1: a win? They're they have to stop Christian Barmore. He

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Speaker 1: is a freaking load. I mean a load. You just

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Speaker 1: go back and watch the game against Washington and freaking

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Speaker 1: Sam Howe had that three hundred and twenty pounds in

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Speaker 1: his lap every single game. So we know there's no

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Speaker 1: Corey Linsley. We know that the interior of the line

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Speaker 1: has taken a little bit of a step back compared

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Speaker 1: to what we thought it was going to look like

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Speaker 1: this season was Zion and Jamari in there. They've allowed

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Speaker 1: quite a few pressures, a handful of sacks, and that's

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Speaker 1: going to have to be stout because Dietrich wise is

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Speaker 1: still great. Juwan Bentley's been, you know, kind of piling

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Speaker 1: up quite a few pressures off the edge as well

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Speaker 1: from the linebacker spot. But to me, it all starts

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Speaker 1: with bar Moore. You have got to be solid on

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Speaker 1: the interior of the line or you're talking about having

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Speaker 1: a guy in your lap from the snap. So you know,

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Speaker 1: the good I guess the good thing there is the

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Speaker 1: last few weeks as I try to pull this up

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Speaker 1: because I've got all my I've got a lot of

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Speaker 1: my prep done, so i know I've got it down here.

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Speaker 1: So justin Herbert the last two weeks has rushed twelve

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Speaker 1: times for one hundred and twenty yards, so he's using

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Speaker 1: his legs more. He's probably gonna have to use him

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Speaker 1: against this team because because bar More is really sort

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Speaker 1: of the straw that stirs the drink. And it's a

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Speaker 1: good defense. You said, you know, they give up ten

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Speaker 1: and lose, They give up ten and lose, they give

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Speaker 1: up twenty and lose twenty one and lose. You know,

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Speaker 1: So like that, I get why they went to Zappi.

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Speaker 4: You know, matc.

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Speaker 1: Jones, of his twelve interceptions, probably eight of them were

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Speaker 1: really bad, like really bad throws. So you know, you

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Speaker 1: have a defense that's this good. Can't be turning the

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Speaker 1: ball over like that. You know, a handful of them,

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Speaker 1: three or four of them are in the red zone

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Speaker 1: where you can at least get three and maybe, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe seven. So at the same time, Bailey, Zappi's two

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Speaker 1: interceptions are brutal. They are did not see, did not read,

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Speaker 1: and threw a ball right to a defender. So I

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Speaker 1: think they're very similar. Players get pressure, and we know

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Speaker 1: the Charger have been getting pressure. Tully's been getting pressures. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Khalil Mack's been one of the best edge rushers in

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Speaker 1: the league. So that's to me, that's what it comes

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Speaker 1: down to. Chris is create turnovers. We said it about

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Speaker 1: the Baltimore game, right we went through those three losses

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Speaker 1: they had. It was all a pick six. It was

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Speaker 1: full forced fumbles and turnovers. Chargers got none, you know, none,

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Speaker 1: They've been shut out these last couple of weeks. They

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Speaker 1: got to create turnovers. The Patriots will give them to you,

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Speaker 1: and you got to have an answer for number ninety.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the defense is gonna have to show up against

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Speaker 2: Zappi or Cunning.

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Speaker 5: It.

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Speaker 2: It looks like Max confidence is completely shot at this point.

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Speaker 2: It's just been an absolutely Bruti year for him. Zappi

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Speaker 2: isn't much different. Frankly, I guess Malie Cunning him is

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Speaker 2: the guy that if they do put him in the game,

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Speaker 2: and then really just the running game too, stopping Romadre

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Speaker 2: Stevenson and Ezekiel Elliott. You know, that's probably gonna be

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Speaker 2: what they rely upon is trying to chew the clock,

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Speaker 2: keeping that keeping that offense on the field, and doing

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Speaker 2: what they can to to score points, which they have

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Speaker 2: not been able to do. And you know, you hope

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Speaker 2: the Chargers defense, based on what they did against the

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Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens last week, can build on that success.

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Speaker 5: Still not gonna be an easy game. We got a

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Speaker 5: j C. Jackson reunion situation.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right. Don't throw an interception to j C.

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Speaker 1: Jackson please.

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Speaker 2: I would say, hey, I was gonna Mike Reese. He

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Speaker 2: was kind of emptying out his notebook from the Giants game.

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Speaker 2: He said that jac had a rough time with Jalen Hyatt,

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Speaker 2: and uh, you know, maybe.

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Speaker 5: It's an opportunity for Keenan to get loose.

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Speaker 2: And they've seen each other a practice, you know, for

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Speaker 2: the last couple of years, so maybe that's something they

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Speaker 2: could achange.

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Speaker 1: Way, if he had problem with the speed of Hyatt,

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Speaker 1: let's get him a litle Darius Davis, you know, give

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Speaker 1: him little jailing guidants get a little I'd like to

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Speaker 1: see Darius get involved more instead of just these these

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Speaker 1: throws at the line of scrimmage. Cut them loose, man,

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Speaker 1: put them in motion. Let him fly up the field.

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Speaker 1: See you can take the top off the defense and

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Speaker 1: have you know, remind us of DeAndre Carter last year.

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Speaker 1: See when we get a couple more of those throws

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Speaker 1: out there on the field.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Hunter Henry too, we got a Hunter Henry reunion game.

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Speaker 2: He was you know, he was such a price free

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Speaker 2: agent for them.

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Speaker 5: Money.

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Speaker 2: Didn't have a target in last Sunday's game against the

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Speaker 2: Giants too, And that's just an indictment I think in

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Speaker 2: the offense in general, how poorly they've played where you

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Speaker 2: can't even get a target to Hunter Henry.

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Speaker 5: So I expect that to change as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was one of those things we were hopeful

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Speaker 1: of at the trade deadline, right, that there might be

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Speaker 1: a reunion there if they were kind of cleaning house

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Speaker 1: with the Patriots, But unfortunately they decided not to. Because man,

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Speaker 1: he sure would have looked good back in powder blue,

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Speaker 1: that's for sure. But hey, tip of the captain Gerald

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Speaker 1: Everett not taking anything away from him that was a

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Speaker 1: hell of a touchdown last week against Baltimore. Just pulling

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Speaker 1: the old I said, it was the shack of the

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Speaker 1: Matt Gary Trent, you know, an undersized power forward that

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Speaker 1: that got the at the two yard line and just

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Speaker 1: backed his guy all the way down into the block

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Speaker 1: and scored that touchdown. Ever, it's been great, but you know,

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Speaker 1: Henry was just one of those guys that there was

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Speaker 1: a trust thing there between Herbert and Hunter, especially in

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Speaker 1: the red zone that you know that chemistry sometimes is

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Speaker 1: just hard to find.

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Speaker 4: He's a good player.

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Speaker 1: He's a very good player, and like you said, for

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Speaker 1: whatever reason, they haven't been able to use him. I'm

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Speaker 1: looking at Zappi, by the way, it's not like there's

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Speaker 1: a lot to work off. If he had the one

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Speaker 1: game his first start last year where he threw for

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Speaker 1: three hundred yards. This year he's played in four games.

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Speaker 1: Obviously it's spot duty. He's not getting everything to himself.

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Speaker 1: But guy's completing forty eight percent of his passes for

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Speaker 1: no touchdowns and two picks. So this the defense hopefully

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Speaker 1: will build on what we saw. They were much more

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Speaker 1: connected against Baltimore. We talked about it. I thought Dean

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Speaker 1: played very well. He had a rough stretch, had a

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Speaker 1: little window where it got a little rough. He kept

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Speaker 1: giving up inside leverage and it was just weird. It's like,

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Speaker 1: that's where Lamar wants to throw the ball. He didn't

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Speaker 1: like throwing it outside the numbers. Why do you keep

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Speaker 1: pushing these guys inside on these slants? And they were

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Speaker 1: just cooking him on that touchdown drive it. After that

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Speaker 1: he adjusted. I thought he played really well, So hopefully

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Speaker 1: they can pick up on that side of the ball

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Speaker 1: where they left off. Offense has got to take care

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Speaker 1: of the football. You cannot turn the ball over like

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Speaker 1: you did. And I count those drops as turnovers. The

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Speaker 1: drop by Donald Parham was a turnover, obviously. The fumble

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Speaker 1: by Austin was a turnover. The drop by Quintin Johnston

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Speaker 1: was a turnover. You know, you gotta clean that stuff

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Speaker 1: up and it should be you know, get to five

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Speaker 1: and seven, come home against the Broncos and feel like,

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Speaker 1: all right, we now know what it feels like to

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Speaker 1: get a win, and let's see if in fact we

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Speaker 1: can cash this thing in and make a run.

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Speaker 2: The mental errors really the only thing I could see

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Speaker 2: that would stop the Chargers from winning this game. I

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Speaker 2: was listening to Bill Simmons and cousin Sagas. Belichick has

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Speaker 2: win ten of his last eleven against the Chargers, and

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Speaker 2: you know, we've seen Justin's two starts against New England

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Speaker 2: and they haven't been very pretty. No, so again, no mistakes,

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Speaker 2: no interceptions, no fumbles, and take advantage of your opportunities

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Speaker 2: in the red zone. And if you do that, I

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Speaker 2: don't see any way Justin Herbert led offense can lose

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Speaker 2: to this Patriots team with Zappi or Cunningham.

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Speaker 1: Under center and more of the can we get more

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Speaker 1: of the third and seventeen Keenan underneath rout catching stride

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Speaker 1: lateral to Austin Eckler for eighteen yards.

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Speaker 4: That was fun.

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Speaker 5: We should have talked about that earlier. That was fun.

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Speaker 4: Great, Yeah, that was great.

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Speaker 1: We talked to coach Peterson on Petrosen Money this week

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Speaker 1: and I brought it up to him. I was like, hey, coach,

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Speaker 1: tell me if this play sounds familiar, and I laid

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Speaker 1: it out. He's like, oh, I love it. Kellen's still

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Speaker 1: having fun playing football. You know, it's what it's all about.

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Speaker 1: And he's Coach Pete's right man. You know, football should

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Speaker 1: be fun. And when you dial that thing up and

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Speaker 1: you execute it, you see a little pep in the

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Speaker 1: step from your players, like, hey, we just got them.

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Speaker 1: We just stung them with a pretty cool play. And

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Speaker 1: so I'd like to see a little bit more of

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Speaker 1: that little more boise state in this offense from Kellen Moore.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no doubt, guys. We know it's been a tough season.

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Speaker 2: We always appreciate you watching and listening every single week.

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Speaker 2: We try to bring you the best analysis and insight

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Speaker 2: as possible, even when it's not pretty, you know, and

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Speaker 2: it hasn't been pretty, but you know, this is a

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Speaker 2: team that we know has too much talent to before

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Speaker 2: and seven and maybe December could be their month money.

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Speaker 1: No, hey, decided to mix it up a little bit

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Speaker 1: this week. Let's see if if it pays off, you

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Speaker 1: know's see if we can get a little a little

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Speaker 1: different result than losing five of their last seven and

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Speaker 1: three in a row.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if if if they win Sunday, maybe I'll just

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Speaker 2: do the entire podcast.

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Speaker 4: From the phone.

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Speaker 2: There you go, exactly fund out, exactly all right, guys,

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Speaker 2: that's gonna do it for us.

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Speaker 5: For money of Chris, this has been charging the week,