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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition to the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hans to say, come to you
Speaker 1: from a virtual room filled with some heroes, Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: Gregg Rosenthal men this number of change of business. While
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to that in a little bit, um,
Speaker 1: but first listen, it is we have been doing this
Speaker 1: long enough that when like a real news story pops
Speaker 1: up this time of year, we we need to take
Speaker 1: advantage of it. Milk, milk it because I don't want
Speaker 1: to talk about Tim Tebow. I don't want to fight
Speaker 1: with Greg about Teddy Bridgewater. I just want to talk
Speaker 1: about and when you have the chance to talk a
Speaker 1: legitimate football news involving a future Hall of Fame wide
Speaker 1: receiver who is gonna be on the move, we're gonna
Speaker 1: die right in. Baby, We're gonna do it with help.
Speaker 1: I was that was your opening, Mark, But we're still
Speaker 1: working on the chemistry ten years in. You know, sometimes,
Speaker 1: like I'm watching us on screen here, I forget that
Speaker 1: I'm even in the show. I'm just watching the screen.
Speaker 1: So you're right, I completely dropped the ball there. So
Speaker 1: to dive in on this juicy saga between Julio Jones
Speaker 1: and the Falcons. We need to bring in the man,
Speaker 1: the myth, the legend, the guiding compass of NFL network,
Speaker 1: and also with that little side hustle with the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 1: He won't tell me a salary with the team. That's fine.
Speaker 1: We moved past that. Steve Weish, what's up, buddy, Welcome
Speaker 1: back to the podcast. I told you it is more
Speaker 1: than what you're getting paid for doing the Around the
Speaker 1: NFL podcast, more more than right and more than what
Speaker 1: Jim Trot and are getting paid for. The one is
Speaker 1: huddling people. You're giving people time to catch up on
Speaker 1: the old episodes. You know, that's what it is. I'd
Speaker 1: say You're timing though, was impeccable. I mean, the Falcons
Speaker 1: tend to be kind of uhched in silence and most
Speaker 1: for years in a row. You you land there in
Speaker 1: the major NFL story is bubbling up out of there
Speaker 1: like a volcano. Good timing. Yeah, how about that recover
Speaker 1: for Aaron Rodgers? Yeah? Absolutely, And we'll get into Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers in a little bit. But Steve is gonna talk
Speaker 1: Falcons with us here, and um, let's just set it
Speaker 1: up real quickly. That's been percolating. Julio Jones maybe on
Speaker 1: the move falcons are cast draft. Julio might not be happy.
Speaker 1: Steve Wise has been reporting this, uh, letting people know
Speaker 1: that this is something that can be happening any moment.
Speaker 1: Now and now. Um, Shannon Sharp is the co host
Speaker 1: of a program called Undisputed on FS one, and um,
Speaker 1: this is what happened on their Tuesday morning or Monday
Speaker 1: morning showing really hope the answers here. I got you.
Speaker 1: Here's your favorite uncle going on brach Lou. You want
Speaker 1: to go to the cowboy who? Or do you want
Speaker 1: to stay in Atlanta? Oh? Man, man, there there's a
Speaker 1: version of hell from me by the way, where it's
Speaker 1: me having to watch a Skip Bayless UH talk news
Speaker 1: program that's about cowboys. Uh, speculation at all times. But
Speaker 1: that's beside the point. Steve as a Capital J journal
Speaker 1: first of all, let's just say that where do you
Speaker 1: stand as a journalist? How that all played out? I
Speaker 1: don't even know Julio Jones. Jones knew he was on television.
Speaker 1: He was in a car and he's he's getting information
Speaker 1: up the Shannon shrub. Where did that land for you. Well,
Speaker 1: first of guys, I mean, you know, we've dealt pro
Speaker 1: athletes long enough to know that that is a very
Speaker 1: kindred fraternity. There's no way that was a blind phone call.
Speaker 1: There's no way. I mean, I'm just I'm just thinking
Speaker 1: about I mean, just think about all the guys we
Speaker 1: deal with. There's no way that they would do that
Speaker 1: on live TV. I mean, that is very Jerry Springer stick.
Speaker 1: But let's let me just say that. I'll play Devil's advocate.
Speaker 1: He's he's Julio's in the car. He said he's driving
Speaker 1: to meet his brother. Shannon calls him, dives right in,
Speaker 1: does not announce that he's on television, and you could
Speaker 1: hear the producer, Well you don't hear the producer, but
Speaker 1: you hear the other talent on the program basically saying like, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: this this might not be what we're looking for because
Speaker 1: he might not know he's on TV. But you're saying,
Speaker 1: there was a that was some w W E stuff.
Speaker 1: Here's here's why I knew it was, you know, obviously
Speaker 1: a set up. You know, at some level he knew
Speaker 1: that at some point that because they didn't show the
Speaker 1: whole clip before as they're going to him as it's ringing,
Speaker 1: skip Bayliss is like, I hope he's got you know,
Speaker 1: like five seconds before we heard, He's like, I hope
Speaker 1: he's got the guts to pick up. And that was
Speaker 1: the moment where I was like, this is w w E.
Speaker 1: He was a partner helping his his partner get over
Speaker 1: in that moment, and he went like a little too
Speaker 1: far because the alternative here is that something organic happened
Speaker 1: on one of those live TV studio shows, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, almost never happens. As we know, everything's pre planned. Uh,
Speaker 1: and are they gonna do risk it? Going to four
Speaker 1: rings and hearing Julio Jones's voicemail. Now, at some level
Speaker 1: he knew that the call was coming. I believe that.
Speaker 1: I mean I would agree. I mean, look, suppose suppose
Speaker 1: Julio started cursing or something a live TV. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you never know how how these phone calls go.
Speaker 1: But no, she looking Shannon. I know, Shannon, he's got
Speaker 1: incredible cash a with you know, former players and current players.
Speaker 1: He is not going to set somebody up. So I'm
Speaker 1: sure Julio knew the call was coming, and what was
Speaker 1: gonna be asked, and you know, Julio wanted to clarify
Speaker 1: because part of it was Step from the Cowboys party
Speaker 1: was taking a picture with a fan where a Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys hoodie. Uh And to that point. Today, I was
Speaker 1: in a conference call with Arthur Smith, the Falcons head coach.
Speaker 1: He was just like, Hey, we want our players to
Speaker 1: express themselves. Who want them to be who they are.
Speaker 1: I didn't see the pictures, so it's no big deal
Speaker 1: to me. I mean, I don't think you want your
Speaker 1: Falcons players um dancing around town and Cowboys gear. It
Speaker 1: wouldn't be the first thing you're hoping they do. But
Speaker 1: that's not the biggest issue surrounding Julio Jones anyways, Right, No,
Speaker 1: it's not. That's not the biggest issue. The fact that
Speaker 1: Uli Jones steve this might not surprised you because I
Speaker 1: feel like you had a inkling that it was more
Speaker 1: than just cap space. Not saying that the contract wasn't
Speaker 1: a factor here, but the fact that I know Ian
Speaker 1: reported it, I think you had you know, some idea
Speaker 1: here too, that Julio Jones requested a trade months ago. Yeah, look,
Speaker 1: you know I have heard for a while that Julio
Speaker 1: Jones was disgruntled. Um, I did not know that he
Speaker 1: had requested a trade, but I mean again, that didn't
Speaker 1: surprise me. And the fact, you know, going back to
Speaker 1: the draft, when the news first broke, the teams were
Speaker 1: calling the Falcons about a move for Julio Jones, and
Speaker 1: the Falcons were saying, look, we've got to fix our cap.
Speaker 1: We've got to do a market correction. Julio is the
Speaker 1: guy people want, right, He's the one with value. They're
Speaker 1: not calling about other people. He's got to be contract.
Speaker 1: We have to listen. There was always the caveat of
Speaker 1: we've got to be careful how we handle this because
Speaker 1: Julio is a popular player. He's met a lot to
Speaker 1: the city and a lot to this franchise, so we've
Speaker 1: got to be delicate here, which led me to believe,
Speaker 1: again this is experience saying Julio is probably not happy.
Speaker 1: They don't want to paint him as a jaded or
Speaker 1: disgruntled player because then that could diminish his value when
Speaker 1: people know that he wants out. So when they continue
Speaker 1: to say that we want to protect the image, they'll
Speaker 1: take the pr hit for moving a popular player, um
Speaker 1: for for a salary cap reasons. Again, the whole time
Speaker 1: I was thinking there's more to this. Julio probably wants out.
Speaker 1: We've heard some of the disenchantment before. Um, so again
Speaker 1: this this is no surprise. And as I reported on
Speaker 1: Total Access last night, uh, this is no longer a
Speaker 1: matter of this possibly being a trade. This is likely
Speaker 1: or definitely going to be a trade. Would I would
Speaker 1: ask just ask you this, Steve, because like, let's way,
Speaker 1: so the bedrock, the foundation is we understand that Julio
Speaker 1: Jones has you know, maybe just the marriage is over.
Speaker 1: It's they've run their course, and there's maybe it's not
Speaker 1: you know, massive issues, but it's an endpoint. And the
Speaker 1: Falcons you know, some stuff that I read that they
Speaker 1: wanted to do right by him, also that he's done
Speaker 1: so much for the team that there is a level
Speaker 1: of respect. Um. But let's be honest. There aren't twenty
Speaker 1: five teams lining up with first round picks. There's a
Speaker 1: gaggle of teams that fit cap space wise and fit
Speaker 1: in terms of what they'd offer, and they just go
Speaker 1: for it. But you kind of the Falcons are in
Speaker 1: a tough spot without really essentially a bidding war, not
Speaker 1: really seeming to happen here. So what is this business about?
Speaker 1: Like Julio Jones wants to play for the Patriots or
Speaker 1: he'd be comfortable going X, Y and Z. Why do
Speaker 1: the Falcons have to cater to Julio Jones on any level?
Speaker 1: I mean, is that what they're trying to do? Just
Speaker 1: so there's a nice final chapter here. No, But but
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. And Jimmy Jones are Jimmy
Speaker 1: Johnson's sorry, talk him this years ago, to him this
Speaker 1: years ago when he took over covering the Dolphins. It's like, look,
Speaker 1: if you've got a good player who has been good
Speaker 1: in the community, has a good image, you don't want
Speaker 1: to trap on the guy. If you move him right,
Speaker 1: you don't want to trade him to the Siberian Huskies,
Speaker 1: you know, if you can avoid it, um and you
Speaker 1: want to trade him to a contender. I mean, Julio
Speaker 1: is thirty two, He's got value. But if possible, maybe
Speaker 1: you do trade him to a contender because in that
Speaker 1: way you might get more of a value pick. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's just say it is the Packers, right, The Packers
Speaker 1: might be willing to give up a first rounder because
Speaker 1: of Julio Jones. That pick is gonna be probably twenty nine, thirty,
Speaker 1: thirty one or thirty two. So they may say, Okay,
Speaker 1: we might be able to forsake back in one right,
Speaker 1: which I don't think is gonna happen. I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a two or blow. But even if the
Speaker 1: back end too, that's fine. But if all you're getting
Speaker 1: is a team, like let's say the Raiders, you don't
Speaker 1: know if they're gonna be middle of the pack bad
Speaker 1: or good. You might be saying, okay, Raisers might be
Speaker 1: willing to give up a second rounder that could be
Speaker 1: fifteen or lower, or or fifteen or higher. But you know,
Speaker 1: it just all depends on where you think it's it's
Speaker 1: gonna be. Just like when the ray A Doll kalil Mac,
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, there are teams that came with better
Speaker 1: offers and the Bears, but they felt the Bears weren't
Speaker 1: gonna be very good, and then we're gonna get a
Speaker 1: higher pick out of it. So there's all kinds of
Speaker 1: things that go into it, But a lot of it
Speaker 1: is if you're a new regime and you're trying to
Speaker 1: establish credibility, and you know, look, you just you don't
Speaker 1: know all of a sudden, Okay, guys just gruntled. Let's
Speaker 1: send him to a franchise has had his issues, like
Speaker 1: the Jaguars or someplace like that. Let's try to send
Speaker 1: up to a contender, and then I wouldn't be like, okay,
Speaker 1: that was okay. That that really helps out in the
Speaker 1: agent world, the player world about the perception of your
Speaker 1: club and the perception of your leadership. So you cannot
Speaker 1: overlook that element. This Todd France guy sounds like a
Speaker 1: serious fellow, so I hear you on that front. I
Speaker 1: also think that that the timing of um the trade
Speaker 1: is where the cap makes a huge, huge difference. So
Speaker 1: in the world that okay, some teams had an idea
Speaker 1: Julio might be out there before the draft, and the
Speaker 1: Falcons clearly didn't get an offer that they thought was
Speaker 1: worth it. Well, that was, you know, partly because is
Speaker 1: whatever that offer had to be, it had to be
Speaker 1: worth the fact that they weren't saving any money against
Speaker 1: the cap to trade Julio Jones before June one. If
Speaker 1: they are trading him after June one, uh, then you're
Speaker 1: saving fifteen million dollars in cap space. And that helps
Speaker 1: out with you know, the rookies and everything else you
Speaker 1: want to do. So if no one was blowing them
Speaker 1: away in April, which I think it's safe to say
Speaker 1: it sounds like no one was coming with the first
Speaker 1: round pick, then it's like, let's wait until June one,
Speaker 1: let's let it, let's let it sit a little bit
Speaker 1: or and uh and we trade him then, and we
Speaker 1: saved the cap space then. And I think what Julio
Speaker 1: Jones was doing with this phone call was that he
Speaker 1: saw this all the story popping up last week. And
Speaker 1: I think at some level, either Shannon Sharp saw an
Speaker 1: in and I think people aren't giving him enough credit
Speaker 1: to think that he just like sprung it on and
Speaker 1: sawn in to make some news with a friend of
Speaker 1: his or someone he knows, or Julio Jones or someone
Speaker 1: in his camp said like, let's start taking control of
Speaker 1: this story a little bit, like let's let's make it
Speaker 1: clear what we want that we do want out of
Speaker 1: teams no. And and that's that's how that call happens.
Speaker 1: And Julio deserves, like, you know, a best supporting actor
Speaker 1: now because I you just get to feel like he's
Speaker 1: so cool in all situations that he's just got to
Speaker 1: be who he is, and that's why it just sounded
Speaker 1: like just sounded so natural. But it makes total sense
Speaker 1: now why they're trading him. I still don't love it
Speaker 1: as a football fan because I wanted to see that
Speaker 1: team together and score thirty five points a game. But
Speaker 1: the fact that he wanted out makes all of the
Speaker 1: reasonings from the last couple of weeks make a lot
Speaker 1: more sense, because it's really about that they both want
Speaker 1: out of this marriage, not just Falcons. Do you think
Speaker 1: Steve that Julio Jones is on this team a week
Speaker 1: from now? Yeah? Yeah, Look, and the guys I remember
Speaker 1: reporting this for months now, pay attention to what Steve
Speaker 1: White reports on every one of your NFL media platforms.
Speaker 1: The Falcons are willing to take this up to training camp,
Speaker 1: right because because because we have this Jude first trigger date.
Speaker 1: But what's gonna happen now is teams are in minicamps
Speaker 1: and things like this, So they wanted you all these
Speaker 1: guys go or guys have acquired fit in to see
Speaker 1: before they make a move like this, right, Julio Jones
Speaker 1: maybe a special case because he's such a great player
Speaker 1: and he's such a physical specimen but you know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of things we talk about, but the Falcons
Speaker 1: are willing to take this up to training camp to
Speaker 1: see what type of offers they can get. Now, they
Speaker 1: may find themselves are waiting so long getting an offer
Speaker 1: they really didn't want. But at some point this is
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Um, you know. And we're also saying, well,
Speaker 1: there's only a couple of teams with the cap space
Speaker 1: to take this on. Does anybody remember when the Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Rams had no cap space but then they traded
Speaker 1: away Marcus Peters gonna keep to leave and found the
Speaker 1: cap space to acquire Jalen Ramsey. Guys, let's give these
Speaker 1: general managers and cap guys credit. Let's not discount teams
Speaker 1: from making moves. Teams can be creative on how they
Speaker 1: want to do this stuff. So again, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a wide NetCast. There's gonna be multiple teams coming after
Speaker 1: Julio Jones. Again, I don't know what the compensation is
Speaker 1: gonna be, but if you feel he's the guy who's
Speaker 1: gonna get you over the top, teams are going to
Speaker 1: come and get him. Right. Here's my one thing. If
Speaker 1: I was a Felt and fan, it's like, I understand,
Speaker 1: like you want to do the right thing, as you
Speaker 1: mentioned before. Um, but if they don't, if they're just
Speaker 1: if teams are saying, look at we know the Falcons
Speaker 1: are in a tough spot here, we're gonna low ball
Speaker 1: them where none of us is none of us are
Speaker 1: giving a first round pick at most. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: something that would never look the equal of Julio Jones.
Speaker 1: Is there a world where they get tough and say,
Speaker 1: we're not trading him for a bag of peanuts and
Speaker 1: a spoon, Um, we want more. And if no one's
Speaker 1: giving it to us, Julio Jones is not being traded,
Speaker 1: would he just simply not play? Do you think would
Speaker 1: he would? Is there ever a world where maybe the
Speaker 1: trade doesn't happen? I mean, you could get ugly if
Speaker 1: everyone's saying, we're not going to give up. You know,
Speaker 1: a good deal for a thirty two year old guy
Speaker 1: who's probably going into the Hall of Fame. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but when's the last time you've seen thirty one NFL
Speaker 1: teams try to collude and do something like it. There
Speaker 1: are owners out there who want Julio Jones to come
Speaker 1: put their team over the top I meant done. If
Speaker 1: a second can get it done, that seems like noth
Speaker 1: ut to me. We we've covered this league long enough.
Speaker 1: Some team is going to do this, and it's probably
Speaker 1: gonna come down to a bidding war to get it done. Look,
Speaker 1: if nothing else, Julio has got a very powerful agent,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Sexton. He's calling these teams saying, if you want him,
Speaker 1: give them, put this on the table and get it done. Well,
Speaker 1: just to that point, though, if if this is something
Speaker 1: that's been out there for a while Julio wanted out.
Speaker 1: If a market for let's say a first round pick
Speaker 1: didn't develop before the draft, why should we assume it's
Speaker 1: going to develop sometime during the summer. What what in
Speaker 1: your mind? Because next year is yeah, it's your futures.
Speaker 1: It's it's futures. You don't know where you're gonna pick.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you think you're gonna be really good again,
Speaker 1: Let's say you're a team like the Colts, right, your
Speaker 1: roster's pretty well stacked, and then you say, okay, we'll
Speaker 1: give up a first rounder next or even a second
Speaker 1: rounder plus a third. Those are probably gonna be back
Speaker 1: into They're gonna be back in picks, whatever round they're
Speaker 1: gonna be, and you do it. You're you're thinking differently
Speaker 1: before your current draft or your current season as opposed
Speaker 1: to future years. Plus you know what, a guy may
Speaker 1: pop in achilles while he's training. A guy may pop
Speaker 1: a hammy or something, um, you know, during the offseason workouts.
Speaker 1: So again, that's why I don't think that I think
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a slow burn. I don't think
Speaker 1: this is gonna happen anytime soon. Um. And frankly, you know,
Speaker 1: when it comes to veterans and things like this, I
Speaker 1: I things do tend to play out once we kind
Speaker 1: of get near that that Hall of Fame game training
Speaker 1: camp trigger date. So I wouldn't think anything happens to
Speaker 1: the end of June early July. Man, there's so many
Speaker 1: teams that he makes sense. There's a great article by
Speaker 1: Mike Sando and The Athletic a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 1: kind of breaking down the analytics of whether a late
Speaker 1: first round pick um basically as worth more than a
Speaker 1: veteran and looking at some of these veteran trades, and
Speaker 1: you know, trying to prove statistically that more than half
Speaker 1: of these late first round picks don't get their fifth
Speaker 1: year option even picked up, which would be they're not
Speaker 1: even an average starter. And that some teams, the Rams
Speaker 1: and the Chiefs, but especially the Rams being the most
Speaker 1: notable example. It's kind of like these late round, first
Speaker 1: round picks, like I'm gonna take one in the hand
Speaker 1: and trade them for veterans. And and when I when
Speaker 1: I read that article, I immediately thought about the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: How about that Chiefs go at Julio Jones. I mean,
Speaker 1: you've got to be feeling good. You're picking at the
Speaker 1: end of the first round. You just traded one for
Speaker 1: a ladd of Brown. Trade next year's one for Julio
Speaker 1: Jones and fly. I mean, it shouldn't be that hard
Speaker 1: to do. No again and again, this is why I'm
Speaker 1: not counting any team out. Even though we look at
Speaker 1: the Rams, like they don't have cap space, they don't
Speaker 1: have this, they don't have first round draft picks. They
Speaker 1: do have like wide receivers, so they can I mean,
Speaker 1: but I mean, I'm never counting a team out. On
Speaker 1: a team like the Niners, I would kind of count well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if I can count them out,
Speaker 1: but you know, they just gave up a whole lot
Speaker 1: to give Zach Wilson. This is not a team that
Speaker 1: probably wants to get into a situation like the Rams
Speaker 1: that are constantly forsaking first round traffic, just kind of
Speaker 1: based on their history. But again, I look at a
Speaker 1: team like the Colts, even if Julio is a one
Speaker 1: year ringer. The folks with the Toronto Raptors love the
Speaker 1: fact that they only had Kawhi Leonard for half the season.
Speaker 1: They got a trophy on the case, right, So I
Speaker 1: mean these are all things that these teams have to
Speaker 1: take into account. I mean, he's got a tight you
Speaker 1: know everything I hear. He's pretty close to Cam Newton.
Speaker 1: I mean, if Cam is gonna be the starter in
Speaker 1: New England and Julio has got the you know, the
Speaker 1: Alabama connection with Saban, who's got the connection with Belichick?
Speaker 1: I mean you just you just never know. Dances like
Speaker 1: oh Jesus Christ, let's not talk about the Patriots now.
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. And I think the
Speaker 1: forty Niners you mentioned them, they make so much sense.
Speaker 1: You get the Kyle Shanahan connection. You look at that
Speaker 1: that that room. If if he was ever added Brandon,
Speaker 1: I you Diebo Samuel and Julio Jones is the alpha
Speaker 1: that that sounds awesome for a team that's looking to
Speaker 1: get over the hump. They're exactly the type of team
Speaker 1: that should be forthsaking the future because they have a
Speaker 1: wind now window potentially the Charges. Greg your your team
Speaker 1: is another team that jumped out to me. They have
Speaker 1: the cap space. I think he represents a big upgrade
Speaker 1: over Mike Williams, who's in the final year of his
Speaker 1: rookie deal. Uh. Just two teams that jumped out to
Speaker 1: me because I looked at, of course over the cap
Speaker 1: to see who could even facilitate it. But Steve also
Speaker 1: makes a good point. Don't just rule out teams based
Speaker 1: on cap space right now, because they can wheel and
Speaker 1: deal to make it happen. Like the ramsaid once upup
Speaker 1: a time. Ravens, I mean, they don't have a lot
Speaker 1: of cap room. But to your point, Steve, like you know,
Speaker 1: you just shift some stuff around. I look at teams
Speaker 1: that are aggressive. I could see the Ravens doing something aggressive.
Speaker 1: The Cults fit aggressively. Chris Ballard has you know, wheeled
Speaker 1: and dealed before, and they it's all about lifting up.
Speaker 1: Carson wentz Um. The Patriots have been, you know, extraordinarily
Speaker 1: aggressive this offseason, and if you looked at their roster,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't love what they have at wide receiver. This
Speaker 1: would change everything. Even though Belichick once told the Falcons
Speaker 1: not to draft Julio Jones, I think his opinion has
Speaker 1: probably shifted on that front. The book I was trying
Speaker 1: to like connect the sources here because that was from
Speaker 1: a Michael Holly book back in the day that he
Speaker 1: did about the Falcons front office and a little bit
Speaker 1: about the Patriots front office. And yeah, Belichick said, is
Speaker 1: there really that much big of a difference between Jonathan
Speaker 1: Baldwin who's gonna go at the end of the first
Speaker 1: round and Julio Jones, which is not a tape. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that held up too well. But Holly was the
Speaker 1: one who was breaking this story that Julio and camera Clus.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to I'm like putting it. Yeah, no, they are.
Speaker 1: I mean there, there's there, there's definitely something there. But
Speaker 1: also also if you're the Tennessee Titans, oh yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you, Why wouldn't you make a move like this.
Speaker 1: They've got all their players coming at like Julio Jones too.
Speaker 1: There seems to be a lot of heat there. I
Speaker 1: guess I can totally ignore the cap thing, but they
Speaker 1: have about half a million dollars in cap space, so creative, Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe say, Julio, will will extend you two years, right
Speaker 1: and and they and they rework the deal. I mean,
Speaker 1: all of these things can be done to facilitate NFL trades.
Speaker 1: Seahawks have been known to get real aggressive for veterans.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought to like, mark which team, which
Speaker 1: front offices? They're not afraid to just yeah, they only
Speaker 1: had like two picks this year, so now maybe they
Speaker 1: can start trading. But we're talking a second rounder, liked
Speaker 1: it could be a second and a third or something less.
Speaker 1: They don't need to draft. That never backfires and teams.
Speaker 1: Michael Holley, by the way, also reported that Jones believes
Speaker 1: that Matt Ryan has lost a little zing on his
Speaker 1: deep ball. You hearing anything about that embedded within the falcon,
Speaker 1: Steve Wish, that's not That's not what I've necessarily have heard.
Speaker 1: Is the uh is the rub is the velocity on
Speaker 1: that Ryan's passing Look last last time the games. It's
Speaker 1: a fact his deep ball is not as good as
Speaker 1: it was. I think he's only thrown for like five
Speaker 1: thousand yards a year for like however many years. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, don't play are I think, buddy? I think
Speaker 1: I think his arm strength is not what it once was.
Speaker 1: I think that's maybe, I mean probably not. But you know, look,
Speaker 1: if you've got guys, you can catch it and go.
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing about the Falcons. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know they've got Calvin Ridley and this dude, Russell Gage.
Speaker 1: I went, I was back watching some of their phone
Speaker 1: from last year. Player. Yeah, he's a pretty darnka player.
Speaker 1: So it's not like the cupboard is bear if they
Speaker 1: if they decide to move him. Plus guys, look, if
Speaker 1: they get a future even a future mid round second
Speaker 1: and a future mid round third or mid round four,
Speaker 1: now they've got a ham out even if they finish
Speaker 1: around five hundred to start moving up, if they're back
Speaker 1: in the quarterback market in a year two. So I mean,
Speaker 1: all of these things are coming into play with this
Speaker 1: whole conversation. Steve, You've been very generous with your time today.
Speaker 1: I know you're a hot commodity on the network side
Speaker 1: with all this going on, and you're always a great
Speaker 1: friend of the show. So great a friend of the show,
Speaker 1: Steve Um, that it's time to introduce another challenge to
Speaker 1: the listeners. You did not let us down a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago when we asked for a Colleen Wolf
Speaker 1: theme song. Now we come to you, the audience again,
Speaker 1: all the musicians out there, to come up with a
Speaker 1: Steve Wife's theme song for the Around the NFL podcast.
Speaker 1: And to two nuggets here. First of all, you're gonna
Speaker 1: send your submission. It's thirty seconds or less. Do not
Speaker 1: go a second over thirty or you're done. V a
Speaker 1: t N podcast at Gmail and Ricky will parse through
Speaker 1: all the submissions. Now, Steve, I want you to have
Speaker 1: some creative First of all, how do you feel about this? Oh? No,
Speaker 1: I'm loving it because I know here here's a great part.
Speaker 1: Because you have such a great English audience. I know
Speaker 1: they're gonna hit like some banger reggae music. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, that's what I'm hoping for, That's what I
Speaker 1: was gonna say. I want you to have some creative
Speaker 1: control over this. Um and uh is that a direction?
Speaker 1: We don't want to tell people necessarily what type of
Speaker 1: music to send in, But at the same time I
Speaker 1: wanted to be a nice match for Steve and his personality.
Speaker 1: So you maybe a reggae groove, okay, anything else you
Speaker 1: want to have? That definitely the genre along along the
Speaker 1: Mr Vegas kind of you know, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: want any of the of the culture reggae. You're well,
Speaker 1: you're from St. Louis, So maybe something Nelly like or
Speaker 1: where where's your wife from? My wife is from Jamaica.
Speaker 1: Much more I'm much more, yes, much more in that
Speaker 1: I haven't been to St. Louis and even though that's
Speaker 1: my ship's it's been a minute alright, So something in
Speaker 1: the reggae groove Steve Weistan that genre v A t
Speaker 1: N podcast at gmail. Send in your submissions and the
Speaker 1: next time we have Steve on the podcast, maybe we'll
Speaker 1: play some and figure out what the Steve Wisch a
Speaker 1: t N theme song is. But a bunch of pasty
Speaker 1: guys from the UK making reggae, what could go wrong?
Speaker 1: We do have do not sleep on the UK reggae? Hey,
Speaker 1: that's a knowledgeable, acknowledgeable stuff, right, you know, your favorite
Speaker 1: band back in the day with Squeeze Share Love a little. No,
Speaker 1: we're calling all of our listeners across the globe. Maybe
Speaker 1: I have have some Jamaican listeners. Let's let's do this thing.
Speaker 1: Um all right, Steve, you've said it all. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much and best of luck the iconic Steve. Why yeah,
Speaker 1: I just thought the the audience did not let us
Speaker 1: down and um with Colleen's submission. Now, Steve, I think
Speaker 1: he's earned this. I think this is uh something that
Speaker 1: is going to really pop. Well, it might get on
Speaker 1: you could get on Patrick Claybourne's radar. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: other friends in the show might definitely have more appearances.
Speaker 1: That's tough, but maybe he'll get one eventually. I think
Speaker 1: I think if listeners need any direction, like, is there
Speaker 1: any other personal things about Steve? I do think of
Speaker 1: Steve as you call them? Did you call him the
Speaker 1: conscience of NFL network? That was good? He she does
Speaker 1: sort of like the president, like the like if there
Speaker 1: was a class president of NFL network on air people,
Speaker 1: I feel like Steve would be the pick, like he's
Speaker 1: sort of he's sort of the guy. Right. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think it's good. I like that you're giving
Speaker 1: some cliffs notes here for the audience. But I also
Speaker 1: like the idea of whoever is putting together this composition,
Speaker 1: you have to be a listener. You have to understand
Speaker 1: Steve and his sensibilities and his background and everything, and
Speaker 1: that will take that into account. I mean, I really
Speaker 1: want to see where people when people think creatively about
Speaker 1: this um, what comes out. I also don't think you
Speaker 1: necessarily now want UM. You know it's gonna be Erica's
Speaker 1: sure to listen to them all, but four hundred reggae
Speaker 1: based songs. I mean, if you're coming from somewhere else
Speaker 1: as a musician, or win him over, maybe you win
Speaker 1: him over with something from left field. Absolutely, and that's
Speaker 1: what happened with Colleen. I think we went with more
Speaker 1: of a hip hop theme, which is one of Colleen's
Speaker 1: favorite genres of music. But we were all over the
Speaker 1: map and that was fun, all right. And it's not
Speaker 1: a chore, Ricky, do you you see this as a
Speaker 1: chore or an honor in a way, really, to to
Speaker 1: collaborate with the listeners in this way. Yeah, I can't
Speaker 1: wait to go through it, all right. It's like I
Speaker 1: can't wait to listen to the first eight entries and
Speaker 1: just tell you those those were the best that's not true.
Speaker 1: What if there's seven hundred of them? Will you listen
Speaker 1: to all seven hundred? What if five hundred of them
Speaker 1: are by people who really shouldn't have ever considered music
Speaker 1: as a hobby. I might not listen to all thirty
Speaker 1: seconds at that point, but seven of them are marked
Speaker 1: just sending voice memos to you at like three in
Speaker 1: the morning. Perfect it might get picked um, honestly, yeah,
Speaker 1: And if if you don't know anything from the colleen submission,
Speaker 1: this is the big leagues. We have a lot of
Speaker 1: talented uh listeners. Do not send in some chinesy chenzy
Speaker 1: voicemail memo. I want real musicianship here. That's all I ask.
Speaker 1: All right, let's do some uh, let's some more news,
Speaker 1: and then we'll say goodbye. Hit it Ricky. Former NFL
Speaker 1: star Philip Rivers returned to the gridiron tonight, this time
Speaker 1: calling the shots on the sideline. Retired quarterback now head
Speaker 1: coach of the St. Michael Catholic High School Cardinals led
Speaker 1: his team onto the field for spring day matchup at
Speaker 1: the Alma Bryant Hurricanes. It's gotta be it's gotta be
Speaker 1: um a mind trip for these kids, because I looked
Speaker 1: it up. Philip Rivers this year was playing for the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl UM in the tournament of the NFL uh
Speaker 1: known as the playoffs for the Cults. Played pretty well
Speaker 1: too in the game, and he walked away at age
Speaker 1: thirty nine. I looked up over on spot rack dot
Speaker 1: com his career earnings. He earned a quarter of a
Speaker 1: billion dollars in salary as a football player over twenty seasons.
Speaker 1: And now he's the head coach of your high school team.
Speaker 1: That's wild. I'd be freaking out. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: Brett Farve did the same thing, and I mean these
Speaker 1: are legends, and you know, maybe the high school player
Speaker 1: of today he was fifteen years old. He didn't watch
Speaker 1: fifteen years of Philip Rivers. But there's it's not lost
Speaker 1: on anyone playing football at that age, like the incredible
Speaker 1: concept that an NFL quarterback is now like in your
Speaker 1: face at meetings and telling you to take lapse quicker.
Speaker 1: And you know, I I would find it highly unusual
Speaker 1: to reconcile pluses. His son is coming up and is
Speaker 1: going to be on the team shortly, I think if
Speaker 1: he's not yet, And there there's a there's many more
Speaker 1: to follow, which is why he parked himself there and
Speaker 1: he's he's ready. It's awesome though. That video made me
Speaker 1: really happy. I just I love Philip Rivers. I love
Speaker 1: that he said this was his lifelong dream. He said
Speaker 1: that too when he signed the contract, like with a year,
Speaker 1: you know, he still had that cult year to go.
Speaker 1: I believe it. His dad was his high school coach.
Speaker 1: He said it was his lifeblog dream and he like
Speaker 1: stuck to it and and he's doing it amazing. I
Speaker 1: just I just want Philip Rivers to be happy. See,
Speaker 1: it's not all about the championship. Think of all the
Speaker 1: good times we had along the way, all the joy
Speaker 1: that Philip Greg just kep. He just he just keeps
Speaker 1: going with the point and where we were like in
Speaker 1: eight minutes into Philip Rivers appreciate. I love it too.
Speaker 1: I don't have to love it as much as everyone else,
Speaker 1: but I'm happy for him. He's I just, you know,
Speaker 1: like I love. I don't know if he's taking a
Speaker 1: dime from the school. Probably not. He signed a twenty
Speaker 1: five million dollar contract for one season with the overpay.
Speaker 1: By the way, he was okay last season, But if
Speaker 1: Greg's gonna get in his tired points. I'll do the same. Um.
Speaker 1: I also want to hear um Philip Rivers just talking
Speaker 1: to the news reporter, because think about it from this perspective,
Speaker 1: because I've been in the I've been in the shoes
Speaker 1: of this guy, uh covering high school sports. Like you're
Speaker 1: usually talking to he's just like you know, regular Joe
Speaker 1: guys that are in the community and they're the head
Speaker 1: coach of the football team. Now you're interviewing Philip Rivers.
Speaker 1: Here's Rivers just talking casually about high school football. I'm
Speaker 1: just looking forward to seeing the boys compete. Just just
Speaker 1: another checkpoint as we head into the summer workouts, and
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about the scoreboard so much as this again,
Speaker 1: seeing this competes in if we transfer what we've been
Speaker 1: working on practice to the game setting. I just like
Speaker 1: that to get out, like I've given that exact done
Speaker 1: that exact same interview for the Journal News in Westchester
Speaker 1: a million times and had that same answer, only it's
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers talking back to you. Yeah. Like I I
Speaker 1: worked for the Ridgefield Press covering the team, and I
Speaker 1: would call up the coach, coach Guido Myolo on the
Speaker 1: phone and one week. One week, I planted, not planted,
Speaker 1: but I talked to the team was really struggling. I
Speaker 1: talked to like six of the kids were just in
Speaker 1: my science class and like drop this a bomb and
Speaker 1: the Ridgefield Press like tearing the team and like a
Speaker 1: new one. And he came into the lunch from me,
Speaker 1: It's like, never operate that way again. I must read
Speaker 1: every article that you before you princessly that's not how
Speaker 1: this works. But what happens is suddenly Philip Rivers team
Speaker 1: is one in five and that cover buds gonna have
Speaker 1: to deal with that. I learned. I learned a similar
Speaker 1: thing early on in my time covering high school or
Speaker 1: it's because you grow up a fan of sports and
Speaker 1: sports writing and for me like reading the sports section
Speaker 1: in the New York Post or whatever, and it's like
Speaker 1: sports are covered a certain way. And I remember I
Speaker 1: covered a high school game where the tight end had
Speaker 1: like a Jackie Smith type moment where he dropped a
Speaker 1: wide open pass in the end zone and I believe
Speaker 1: it costs the Nanuek Golden Knights or whomever it was
Speaker 1: the game, and I in my dispatch on the game,
Speaker 1: I noted that the tight end dropped a wide open
Speaker 1: touchdown pass that was kind of the difference in the game,
Speaker 1: and the editor of the paper got a very angry
Speaker 1: phone call from the parent of the player, and the
Speaker 1: head coach also called. They're like, what are you doing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: kids sixteen the bet you know in your defense that
Speaker 1: kid went his career went nowhere. So yeah you saw that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you saw the kernel of the destruction plane. Maybe like
Speaker 1: he read that and he's like, I need to focus
Speaker 1: on being an engineer or something, and maybe he went
Speaker 1: on to do great things helped him. Maybe I thank
Speaker 1: you note as an honor. Nanue had Golden Night. Jackie Smith,
Speaker 1: all right, let's get into it. Aaron Rodgers, Hey, how
Speaker 1: about that? He's still on the Packers. He was also
Speaker 1: on Sports Center on Monday. Kenny Maine stalwart there. ESPN
Speaker 1: recently got laid off by the company. Uh, it was
Speaker 1: his last time on Sports Center. I was always a
Speaker 1: big Kenny Maine fan back in the day's. He's a
Speaker 1: prose pro and great at his job. Um So Rogers
Speaker 1: did him a solid and appeared on the final Kenny
Speaker 1: Maine Sports Center talking about the situation. He stressed, my
Speaker 1: issue is not with the kid in that quarterback room.
Speaker 1: Jordan's love. It's with the overall vibe of the Packers organization,
Speaker 1: with Brian gutakanst in charge with you with my situation. Look,
Speaker 1: it's it's never been about uh, you know, it never
Speaker 1: been about the draft pick pick in Jordan. I love Jordan.
Speaker 1: He's a great kid. Um. You know, he had a
Speaker 1: lot of fun to work together. I love coaching staff,
Speaker 1: love my teammates, you know, I love the fan base
Speaker 1: in Green Bay's incredible, incredible sixteen years. It's just kind
Speaker 1: of about a philosophy, you know, and and maybe forgetting
Speaker 1: that it is about the people that makes the thing.
Speaker 1: It's about it's about character, it's about culture, it's about
Speaker 1: doing what things the right way. You you found this
Speaker 1: a bit strange. Great well, I think he was trying
Speaker 1: to answer someone answer these questions without saying much of anything.
Speaker 1: I mean, it went on for a while and parts
Speaker 1: of the interview were great. Kenny Maine was great, and
Speaker 1: Rogers is great too, But the part about the Packers,
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know what he was saying. He
Speaker 1: basically was saying, yeah, he loves everyone except for the
Speaker 1: front office. I guess it was yeah, that, But if
Speaker 1: you're got to be so indirect but obvious about it,
Speaker 1: I don't know why not just be direct? Why is
Speaker 1: he just like talking around this whole issue And he
Speaker 1: went into this whole long thing about culture and the
Speaker 1: people and philosophy, and it's like, well that all those
Speaker 1: people you mentioned, they're all still there. It's about the people,
Speaker 1: like the coaches and the teammates, they're they're there. If
Speaker 1: it's about those people, I agree with you. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think he's trying to there's a bit of a
Speaker 1: you know, hearts and minds aspect to this, where if
Speaker 1: you're Aaron Rodgers, you're in a town that bleeds football
Speaker 1: more than other football towns, and like they at some
Speaker 1: point Oregon to those fans are gonna lose their patients
Speaker 1: with the concept of Aaron Rodgers wanting out um, appearing
Speaker 1: to be difficult, appearing to be a devil all that
Speaker 1: business that I don't really necessarily think he is that um,
Speaker 1: But he's trying to, you know, not so subtly, but
Speaker 1: in a cryptic way point the arrow back it look
Speaker 1: at it's our front office, it's our general manager. That
Speaker 1: created an aura of mistrust between me and the organization.
Speaker 1: It wasn't um the previous GM, and it doesn't chart
Speaker 1: back to them, I don't think. But it's very much
Speaker 1: about the current GM, and like that is enough to
Speaker 1: create a divorce scenario. I mean, it's just to me,
Speaker 1: the longer this drags on, I just find the more
Speaker 1: petty it's. And and he even said it in the
Speaker 1: main interview that he believes his MVP season in through
Speaker 1: a wrench and everything for the Packers, and that's true,
Speaker 1: that's honestly the key quota. And it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting to me that I think it's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a window into Rogers personality that there
Speaker 1: is nothing he could have done more to stick it
Speaker 1: to the Packers for this betrayal in his mind on
Speaker 1: some level than to do what he did on the
Speaker 1: field and be the best player in football and win
Speaker 1: the m v P. So everything else that's followed now,
Speaker 1: which just feels like a little bit of a twisting
Speaker 1: of the knife to make it even more uncomfortable for
Speaker 1: Gouda constant and the people that were behind the decision
Speaker 1: to bring in Jordan's love and and and my last
Speaker 1: point on this, because I don't want us to dwell
Speaker 1: on this, but I also want to hear Greg your
Speaker 1: thoughts on it too. Is like he could say, it's
Speaker 1: not about Jordan's love, it's not his fault. But it's like,
Speaker 1: it's not that different what he's what he's doing to
Speaker 1: what bred Farb did to him once upon a time,
Speaker 1: where you just put the young guy in a really
Speaker 1: tough situation and it's a strange, awkward way to start
Speaker 1: his NFL career, and it didn't have to be that way,
Speaker 1: and yet here we are. I mean, I totally agree
Speaker 1: with you on that that he can he can say that,
Speaker 1: but it was about the pick. It was it was
Speaker 1: probably about not communicating and not feeling like he was,
Speaker 1: you know, valued enough to communicate the pick ahead of time.
Speaker 1: But what what I think is, if the reporting is correct,
Speaker 1: and if you piece together some of what Ian Rappaport
Speaker 1: has said in Schefter and then a little more directly
Speaker 1: with Charles Robinson of Yahoo said was that after this
Speaker 1: m v P season, Rogers said, give me a contract extension,
Speaker 1: and when they said no at that point or that
Speaker 1: they didn't like the terms of what they wanted, that
Speaker 1: they just wanted to renegotiate, or they just would guarantee
Speaker 1: this year but not move in into the future. That's
Speaker 1: where it went def Con five. And if he's so
Speaker 1: worried about the pr angle of it all, I would
Speaker 1: just say that because that to me makes sense, Like
Speaker 1: I just won the m v P and then I
Speaker 1: asked for contract extension. Okay, you wanted to move to
Speaker 1: love but at this point now it's clear I'm not
Speaker 1: going anywhere in terms of my level of play. Now
Speaker 1: I want you to commit to me. And if it's
Speaker 1: true that the Packers at that point this February or
Speaker 1: whenever it was said no not really, you know, you
Speaker 1: don't blame him so much. Just to set that out there,
Speaker 1: if that's true, yeah, I wish he would clarify that
Speaker 1: and elucidate that for the people because it is still
Speaker 1: sort of this thing where it's elongated. It's kind of
Speaker 1: mysterious because we don't have all the reporting on it.
Speaker 1: But I'm completely with you because I think you've got
Speaker 1: a schism here where the other parts of the Fun
Speaker 1: Office probably you are saying, what are we doing here?
Speaker 1: Why would we ever part ways with Aaron Rodgers? But
Speaker 1: there's other figures saying we drafted Jordan's love and what
Speaker 1: do you do not play him for three years and
Speaker 1: then you have to decide on a fifth year option.
Speaker 1: It's like you just have to shock it up. It's
Speaker 1: a completely missed um drafts essentially. Or do we fire
Speaker 1: our general manager who we like just to keep the
Speaker 1: franchise star happy. That's of the words say, yeah, But
Speaker 1: I think the problem is that, like that's a weird
Speaker 1: organization that doesn't have like a powerful owner that would
Speaker 1: just come in and clear clear all this up. I
Speaker 1: think it's a little bit of a trickier type organization
Speaker 1: with the Mark Murphy angle and your general manager who
Speaker 1: has power went and picked this quarterback. So I don't
Speaker 1: know if if it's quite as simple as I think.
Speaker 1: You keep Rodgers above all, but getting there is tricky.
Speaker 1: It's just like they're stuck in it on a different
Speaker 1: path connected to Aaron Rodgers up there in Denver O.
Speaker 1: T As have begun and you know that Drew lock
Speaker 1: and Teddy Bridgewater involved because they're trying to win a
Speaker 1: starting quarterback job. In fact, Vic vag y'all plans a
Speaker 1: fifty fifty split of reps all through the summer and
Speaker 1: preseason before he decides which one of these guys is
Speaker 1: his quarterback. Of course, Aaron Rodgers has been connected to
Speaker 1: the broncos Um during this process during his fallout. Rodgers
Speaker 1: is fallout with Green Bay. Luck was asked about it
Speaker 1: this week and he said, he spent so much time
Speaker 1: some interesting Luck quotes. He's kind of he's a bit
Speaker 1: of an interesting guy here. Uh, he makes for a
Speaker 1: good copy. Lock said he spent so much time this
Speaker 1: offseason working to improve, including consultations of Peyton Manning look out,
Speaker 1: that it led him quote being able to do Being
Speaker 1: able to do that gave me zero time to listen
Speaker 1: to all this stuff. Maybe one day I'll go back
Speaker 1: and read and laugh about all the things that were
Speaker 1: being said that ended up being completely wrong. And then
Speaker 1: and then before I thought to you guys, this last part,
Speaker 1: which was interesting to me as well. Here's another quote
Speaker 1: from Luck. Luck. I'd like to think the reason no
Speaker 1: one has said anything to me is because those are
Speaker 1: probably the really close people in my life, and they
Speaker 1: understand it's not worth their time either. Whatever happens happens.
Speaker 1: And if anyone did say anything to me, it was
Speaker 1: zero text back or no callback because they are probably
Speaker 1: not even in my tight, really tight circle. And he
Speaker 1: added that his father Andy Andy Lock good name, will
Speaker 1: tell him if he has seen a Broncos player on
Speaker 1: social media offering support for Lock. Al Right, a lot
Speaker 1: of information there. That's I know. I luck um why
Speaker 1: Lock has been icing me on my textas summer because
Speaker 1: I've just been sending him all these gifts of Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers doing the uh you know, the state farm belt
Speaker 1: or whatever. You know. I just he never responds. He
Speaker 1: has his dad on social media watch to make sure
Speaker 1: his teammates are saying nice things about him. That's interesting.
Speaker 1: I don't know, well, I think it's I think it's
Speaker 1: too is he is he making he's like forcing those
Speaker 1: players to say nice things. Where he's like, if you
Speaker 1: happen to see a player supporting me. Don Miller kind
Speaker 1: of supported Teddy Bridgewater. I noticed. I wonder if that
Speaker 1: got on his radar. He was kind of he was like,
Speaker 1: you know, ted Teddy came in here. I just said,
Speaker 1: don't worry about everything else, just play like we got
Speaker 1: you to play, and and he said some things about
Speaker 1: Luck too. But I bet in the in the defensive
Speaker 1: huddle there might be some of that going on, like
Speaker 1: let's let's have a quarterback that if nothing else just
Speaker 1: doesn't turn the ball over and lets us go win
Speaker 1: the game. And so that it's a it's an interesting dynamic,
Speaker 1: right except every single player on the team would would
Speaker 1: be like absolute green light yes to Aaron Rodgers if
Speaker 1: that became a thing. I mean, but I think between
Speaker 1: the two, Teddy offers you more like there's he's got
Speaker 1: these players, you know, look at each other differently, and
Speaker 1: they's got way more street cred. I mean, Lock is
Speaker 1: just locked in a athletes speak mode right there. All right.
Speaker 1: I never I never believe someone when they're like, I
Speaker 1: didn't I haven't had time to hear any of these
Speaker 1: nonsense things people are saying. It was like, well, how
Speaker 1: long would it really take you to hear that? It
Speaker 1: would take you, like twenty seconds. You don't have seconds.
Speaker 1: Like right, I'm gonna go back and then I'm gonna
Speaker 1: read all the things people said to you. That was
Speaker 1: the moment where I was like, oh, okay, he knows
Speaker 1: exactly who's been saying what about him? And that was
Speaker 1: like that was his little he said a little too much. Then,
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe the Broncos are like, we already have
Speaker 1: an overly complex, mentally confusing quarterback and Drew lock if
Speaker 1: this is how he processes, you know, his daily you know,
Speaker 1: getting overly um beguiling Aaron Rodgers in there is probably
Speaker 1: just a little bit too much. But this kind of
Speaker 1: this kind of feels like a slightly more pumped up
Speaker 1: and just slightly more pumped up version of Mike Shanahan
Speaker 1: back in two thousand eleven. I stake my reputation on
Speaker 1: John Beck and Rex Grossman. It's like a little bit
Speaker 1: higher than that Big faggio is in a tough spot here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of those guys is going to be a starting
Speaker 1: quarterback most likely the whole the whole fifty fifty reps.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do it all through precos that's that's never
Speaker 1: once worked. That is the official kiss of death. Would
Speaker 1: I would respect it more if he was just like
Speaker 1: we're gonna ride with Locke or we're gonna ride with Teddy.
Speaker 1: But it's just like you know that that well, you know,
Speaker 1: you know one is gonna start eight games and one's
Speaker 1: gonna start, um nine, and we're gonna do it. We're
Speaker 1: gonna spend like eight months, you know, breaking down what
Speaker 1: happens between now in August. But they're both gonna play.
Speaker 1: It's one of the great parcels ums of which there
Speaker 1: are dozens and dozens. If you're a young football and
Speaker 1: read about Bill Parcels, the big Tuna. Uh. If you
Speaker 1: have two quarterbacks, you don't have any mm hmm. In
Speaker 1: other news, so yes, O t s are kicking off
Speaker 1: and some good uh injury recovery news at the game's
Speaker 1: most important position in Dallas, Dak Prescott returned to practice
Speaker 1: on Monday, UH. The first time he's seen this type
Speaker 1: of action since he suffered that nasty compound fracture and
Speaker 1: dislocation of his right ankle against the Giants back in
Speaker 1: Week five. So Prescott is all systems go, barring some
Speaker 1: type of setback for a return. And speaking of comeback
Speaker 1: Player of the Year candidate Joe Burrow, this is a
Speaker 1: good one. Also, back on the field, he was throwing
Speaker 1: at the Bengals first O t A. He's got a
Speaker 1: big Carson Palmer like brace on his knee, but he
Speaker 1: was planting on that surgically repaired knee making throws. This
Speaker 1: comes a week after UH it was reported that he
Speaker 1: is also all systems go for week one barring setbacks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's still he said though, that he's three months away,
Speaker 1: he thought from being fully cleared, so doing the math
Speaker 1: that is late into the preseason, and so being on
Speaker 1: the field. I think Dak was similar, but he doesn't
Speaker 1: have the same timeline. It's like the rules that they
Speaker 1: have to keep players away. They're not even doing eleven
Speaker 1: on elevens now. They're they're making sure people are at
Speaker 1: least ten feet away from Joe Burrow. But they're throwing passes,
Speaker 1: and it's all it's all a good sign, and it's
Speaker 1: another sign and football is back. Football is back. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know he's throwing he's throwing short passes too. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just like a it's a starting point. But I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, we go back twenty years and if you
Speaker 1: tear your knee up in November, who knows when we
Speaker 1: see you again. It's just all of it's been, you know,
Speaker 1: sped up. And he looked really I thought he looked
Speaker 1: nimble in the in the video that I saw. But
Speaker 1: they mark the miracle of modern science. Am I right?
Speaker 1: You are right, it is. It's miraculous. It's a good,
Speaker 1: great time to be alive. I know this isn't on
Speaker 1: our news run down, but you know, the otis were starting.
Speaker 1: I did find it interesting that the Bucks are the
Speaker 1: only team that are basically going and lp a thing
Speaker 1: like because that tom Brady's got some deuceeically I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have I'm gonna have my own practice, and apparently all
Speaker 1: practicing down in Florida or something, and not one of
Speaker 1: the starters on either side of the ball showed up.
Speaker 1: Every other team. Everyone just was like Africana listen. I
Speaker 1: initially had this like theory that maybe Tom Brady gets
Speaker 1: on that call um and in another world where everyone
Speaker 1: listened to what Tom Brady to say about not practice
Speaker 1: during the off season, that everyone didn't practice because they
Speaker 1: respect Tom Brady so much, and then just the Bucks did,
Speaker 1: it would have been like that's next level planning. But
Speaker 1: it's completely reversed where everyone is practicing. The Bucks didn't
Speaker 1: show up to work. All right, you're coasting through your
Speaker 1: off season. Have a nice time, my my, you know
Speaker 1: you need fire takes this time of year. On football podcast.
Speaker 1: My fire take is the Bucks are done champions. Fatigue
Speaker 1: is set in. They won the Ring and they're just
Speaker 1: using this as a way to skip, Uh, this very
Speaker 1: easy amount of a small amount of work they have
Speaker 1: to do before summer vacation. Uh, yeah, we're crew. We
Speaker 1: are hurtling. Towards eight and nine, Brady respond that whatever whatever.
Speaker 1: That as like a quote board so they can't hear
Speaker 1: the tony your voice and tweeted out from like around
Speaker 1: the NFL every single show. That's amount of context stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Brady would say, probably respond to you being like,
Speaker 1: we're practicing harder down here. You're not allowed to do
Speaker 1: all this stuff like I've got uh, you know Guerrero,
Speaker 1: Alex Guerrero running, you know, having these guys do wild
Speaker 1: stuff down here. We don't need the team now, Oh
Speaker 1: your maskull's out there, We're doing the real work. Well,
Speaker 1: I'd tell him that my job is to see things
Speaker 1: through a certain point of view and maybe not include
Speaker 1: all the facts. So he's not going to get away
Speaker 1: with that. Uh. Cycling back to Denver real quick, Bradley Chubb.
Speaker 1: He had an ankle issue last season. Um, they hope
Speaker 1: to avoid surgery, but he did get surgery to remove
Speaker 1: a bone spur in his ankle, which is always sounds
Speaker 1: kind of gross because that's a a floating particle of bone.
Speaker 1: Then slightly, you know, a little jar and give it
Speaker 1: to you when you're done. It's gross anyway. So he'll
Speaker 1: be in a walking boot for a couple of weeks. Uh,
Speaker 1: nothing to be too concerned about. He should be ready
Speaker 1: for training camp. Uh. What's that sound you, Ricky? I
Speaker 1: hear a sound. It's a I smell smoke. What is
Speaker 1: that an alarm or something? Oh? I know what that is.
Speaker 1: That's the sound of Dallas Cowboys linebacker Jalen Smith burning. Uh,
Speaker 1: one of his deep deep people down the line of
Speaker 1: his family. True, when he's long gone. At some point,
Speaker 1: the money's gonna run out in the Jalen Smith family
Speaker 1: from this lucrative pro career. One generation just lost their
Speaker 1: college money because he's changing to number nine. Uh, and
Speaker 1: he has to pay a six figure some for the switch.
Speaker 1: Sources told Todd Archer of ESPN sod six figures. So
Speaker 1: he goes from he's lighting money on fire. Number fifty
Speaker 1: four is now number nine at mid six figure costs.
Speaker 1: So what does that mean? That's like five? Is that
Speaker 1: what that means? Um? And as we talked about on
Speaker 1: this show, and it all just seems insane. To make
Speaker 1: the move to number nine, Smith had to buy out
Speaker 1: the current inventory of number fifty four jerseys and T
Speaker 1: shirts and T shirts, which follows NFL rules. Uh, he
Speaker 1: is all from Archer at ESPN. Had he said now
Speaker 1: that he would change his number two, it would not
Speaker 1: have cost him any money. So if he just would
Speaker 1: have stayed number fifty four this year, he could have
Speaker 1: then switched to this number nine and not paid a dime.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, the money's gonna run out. In the
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith family. Someone's getting banged here in the biggest
Speaker 1: of all spots. They're not born yet, the never even know.
Speaker 1: It's all because he wanted to be number He's got
Speaker 1: a great financial planner. They're gonna be fine. They're gonna
Speaker 1: be fine. I'm bummed out. I'm legit bummed out by
Speaker 1: this story because I don't think Jalen Smith is going
Speaker 1: to be on the Cowboys next year. I think there's
Speaker 1: a chance, and I know he's not thinking this, but
Speaker 1: I think I mean next year, that it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a short lived number change. Anyways, I think there's a
Speaker 1: chance he's not on the Cowboys this year, which I
Speaker 1: know he's not thinking about he you know, he's had
Speaker 1: a good career, but there's a legit chance because of um,
Speaker 1: you know, the the draft that they had and Vanderesh
Speaker 1: and everything like that he could be on the trade
Speaker 1: block or that he could even get cut. So I
Speaker 1: I after the couple of years that he said, so
Speaker 1: that that would be like an extra bummer if he
Speaker 1: paid for all this and then he doesn't even make
Speaker 1: a team. I would assume that he's not prancing around
Speaker 1: with that mental state though, thinking, of course I probably
Speaker 1: won't be here, you know, my career is on the
Speaker 1: down side. But different defensive coordinator could work. Dan Quinn,
Speaker 1: We'll see, might be might be great. That's fair, Mark,
Speaker 1: you got a lot tied up in this, dan quinnin
Speaker 1: hiring well. I mean I also think, like how many
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans are like kay Jalen Smith, but I have
Speaker 1: like a Tony Romo jersey and now you're number nine,
Speaker 1: Like what are we doing here? Like you're jumping into
Speaker 1: like the rail. The one player outside of like Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Elliott that of this current team probably has like a
Speaker 1: ten billion jerseys that people own around town. This is
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know more like a big picture thing.
Speaker 1: But dan Quinn got hired by the Falcons because he
Speaker 1: was the d C of the Legion of Boom Seahawks.
Speaker 1: Went to Atlanta defense in those last couple of years,
Speaker 1: couldn't stop a nosebleed. Now he goes to Dallas where
Speaker 1: the talent. Listen, tell me if you disagree, But is
Speaker 1: it that much better than it was in Atlanta? Uh?
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna say he's going to be a defensive
Speaker 1: wizard like he was in Attle when he had the
Speaker 1: best defensive roster of the last ten years. Sometimes this
Speaker 1: assumption that the head coach that gets fired and then
Speaker 1: becomes a d C again gets back to d C magic.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was like an asp at the
Speaker 1: highest level. It's also an assumption to assume he's gonna fail.
Speaker 1: So it's like we're just two men with assumptions battling
Speaker 1: against each other, which tells you it's the middle. But
Speaker 1: that's my logic behind why I'm not saying he's gonna fail.
Speaker 1: I just sometimes we just say, Okay, now he's gonna
Speaker 1: be fine and he's gonna make a lot better. But
Speaker 1: I don't I would say that he's he's under a
Speaker 1: fair amount of pressure in terms of like if he
Speaker 1: fails here, like he'll never be a coordinator again. Probably,
Speaker 1: but like they put their entire draft towards the defense. Um,
Speaker 1: if those players work out, And it's a bit last
Speaker 1: year's scheme, it was the wrong scheme under Mike Nolan
Speaker 1: for coronavirus time. It was too complex. They were argument.
Speaker 1: They were mentioning that all season long. Um, and Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn's scheme is completely different than a bunch of players
Speaker 1: are already saying they love it. So they drafted again.
Speaker 1: It was exactly like Jalen Smith, that number twelve, and
Speaker 1: they signed Keian O'Neil from Quinn's team, uh and gave
Speaker 1: him five million dollars to play that position too. That's
Speaker 1: about That's unfortunate, and I think the disrespect for Tony
Speaker 1: Romo is unfortunate. I guess maybe you can't retire every
Speaker 1: number and everything, especially the Cowboys, but it does just
Speaker 1: give me one chance to bring up one of my
Speaker 1: favorite takes, which is somehow, despite being like one of
Speaker 1: the most famous football players of the last two decades
Speaker 1: and on TV every week and incredibly you know, well
Speaker 1: respected as a broadcast, somehow Tony Romo is like incredibly
Speaker 1: underrated as a player. I the disrespect I hear, Like
Speaker 1: Tony Romo was had a Hall of Fame chunk of
Speaker 1: his career. He didn't go long enough. But it's like people,
Speaker 1: I really don't think people respect how he was. It
Speaker 1: was almost like the negative side of being, uh the
Speaker 1: quarterback of America's team and you had the high profile failures,
Speaker 1: the injuries of course, the playoff game with the botched snap,
Speaker 1: and I think that cloud how good he was, Like
Speaker 1: I not to who cares, but like I thought, Tony
Speaker 1: Romo his peak was better than Philip Rivers, like or
Speaker 1: they five seasons that like Matt Ryan for instance, never
Speaker 1: had like he there were him at his peak was
Speaker 1: just an incredible player. That's I just think there's a
Speaker 1: bunch of these quarterbacks because you know, I know, it's
Speaker 1: like you can't talk about if a quarterback wins or loses,
Speaker 1: Like we love Matthew Stafford's tool set even though they
Speaker 1: win six games a year. It's like bottom line, I mean,
Speaker 1: the popular thinking around a quarterback is if Romo had
Speaker 1: had like two super Bowl runs, even if he had
Speaker 1: just done what Eli Manning had dug he would be
Speaker 1: thought about completely differently. Staffords a good example. It's like,
Speaker 1: don't bring up and not you didn't Mark, but I've
Speaker 1: seen it. Don't bring up like Stafford's name when you're
Speaker 1: talking about Tony Romo. It's like those No but but
Speaker 1: Romo doesn't have like Romo just and it's a Cowboys issue.
Speaker 1: It's not a Tony Romo thing. But he doesn't have
Speaker 1: those playoff runs. And I just think you're average sports
Speaker 1: fan like and I don't even look down on their
Speaker 1: take to be honest, like Romo was attached to like
Speaker 1: Dan sends some high concept buffoonery early in his career,
Speaker 1: and like teams that went south in big games. Um Man,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Man, I don't know. Greg. I think
Speaker 1: we're in a little different page on Stafford. I think
Speaker 1: if you put Stafford on those Cowboys teams with those
Speaker 1: offenses back in the day, would if you know, if
Speaker 1: you put Tom Brady on the Lions, you know what,
Speaker 1: A could have soda, But he hasn't had. He just
Speaker 1: hasn't had remotely a career like like Tony Romo. Did
Speaker 1: I mean Tony Tony Romo at his best as a
Speaker 1: top you know three or four, quarterback four or five times,
Speaker 1: and and a lot of fun to watch too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't take a look at their numbers. Too interesting
Speaker 1: comparison there all right. Uh. Finally, in the news little
Speaker 1: transaction wire tidbit here, the Washington football team released long
Speaker 1: time starting right tackle Morgan Moses on Thursday. Um and
Speaker 1: the move saves nearly eight million in salary cap space. Uh.
Speaker 1: And Moses is a guy who's gonna get work because
Speaker 1: he's a guy that has started every game for this
Speaker 1: team since two thousand and fifteen. He just turned thirty.
Speaker 1: Maybe not the best right tackle in football, Greg, but
Speaker 1: a guy that is sturdy. Uh. That is good, not great,
Speaker 1: And there are plenty of bad right tackles in football,
Speaker 1: so he's gonna get a job pretty quickly. You'd think
Speaker 1: I was very surprised. I mean, if you trust PFFS numbers,
Speaker 1: and I don't think Washington agrees with him. He's one
Speaker 1: of the better right tackles in the league for the
Speaker 1: last last handful of years. I mean, the Jets. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of teams that could use the right tackle
Speaker 1: right Jets a funny georch fans. Fine, I think the
Speaker 1: Ravens probably regret giving Alejandra Villainuava eight million dollars. That
Speaker 1: was that was a shocking contract to me that he
Speaker 1: got that much late into free agency, because if Villainueva
Speaker 1: gets eight million, Moseses is a better player and some
Speaker 1: team is probably gonna he's a rare free agent getting
Speaker 1: cut now that will still get some good money because
Speaker 1: I think they'll be multiple teams that on him. Well,
Speaker 1: Washington also released garn Christian their other tackles, so you've
Speaker 1: got you've got two tackles that weren't there a year ago,
Speaker 1: Charles Leno and a second rounder. Sam Cosmi is essentially
Speaker 1: your right tackle right now. So Cosmy, I remember it
Speaker 1: was like a week ago I was saying, Oh, Washington's
Speaker 1: two lines are just so rock solid, and this this
Speaker 1: is the Ron Rivera identity, and suddenly you've got at
Speaker 1: least questions at one of the tackle spots. Well, they
Speaker 1: must good about the in house options here to make
Speaker 1: this move, you cause me, I think they must. They
Speaker 1: must really be high on Cosmi. Speaking of speaking of
Speaker 1: that Cosmi, Sam Cosmism, I'm not going near it. Um.
Speaker 1: Speaking of wish I had it back when I was
Speaker 1: doing my brief deep dive into teams that made sense
Speaker 1: for Julio Jones. I feel like the Charges, if they
Speaker 1: just didn't pick up Mike Williams fifteen million dollar fifty
Speaker 1: year option last spring, the Julio Jones, they which be
Speaker 1: just perfect for them. Keivan Allen and Julio Jones together
Speaker 1: and you'd have a ton of cap space they have.
Speaker 1: They have a lot still though, when you said that
Speaker 1: they have a lot of room that would make sense.
Speaker 1: I thought that the Moses story was gonna get the
Speaker 1: old hands is edit the old hands. It's like we've
Speaker 1: gone an hour, do we want to finish on Moses.
Speaker 1: I think we've brought some good energy, some good analysis
Speaker 1: to it, so it didn't end up as kind of
Speaker 1: the air coming out of the balloon like I figured.
Speaker 1: But I thought it was getting the hands is cut,
Speaker 1: got cutting room floor vibes there for a bit. Potential
Speaker 1: had a lot of potential. But then when I did
Speaker 1: my due diligence ahead of the show, which I always do,
Speaker 1: I saw that this was an accomplished starting right tackle
Speaker 1: and he is going to be a value add to
Speaker 1: another team, and that just feels like something we should
Speaker 1: talk about on this program. We're we're we're information, we're entertainment,
Speaker 1: and we're giving you information now that you can go
Speaker 1: back to bars. Uh. If you're you're vaccinated in the
Speaker 1: United States, for the most part, you can drop some
Speaker 1: major Morgan Moses takes and impress all your friends. Absolutely. Finally,
Speaker 1: in the news, this one via Ricky Hollywood. Who I
Speaker 1: just I asked her to scour the web all through
Speaker 1: the show, and that's exactly what she does. She's so
Speaker 1: plugged in looking for news items. UM the Food Network
Speaker 1: is paying Guy Fiery eighty million dollars over three years
Speaker 1: in the latest deal for the UM Food Guy. What
Speaker 1: would you call him? I guess he's a celebrity chef
Speaker 1: type UM at a point six million annually. This is
Speaker 1: from Joe Popoliano on Twitter. Fiery would be the fifteenth
Speaker 1: highest paid player in the NFL, making more than people
Speaker 1: like Tom Brady, Khalil Macaron Iron Donald and Julio Jones.
Speaker 1: And let me tell you something before you say, oh,
Speaker 1: what a disgrace. That guy is terrible. His food is bad,
Speaker 1: he's cheesy. My brother Kevin Danger Hands is uh sees
Speaker 1: Guy Fiery as a hero like he loves that dude.
Speaker 1: He loves his shows, he loves his energy. Um, Guy Fiery,
Speaker 1: this is the Kevin d jre Hans is um test
Speaker 1: and I put a lot of faith into that. That's
Speaker 1: all I need to know. I mean, danger Hands is
Speaker 1: has you know, a burgeoning singing career based on some
Speaker 1: of his social media, but I don't I think it's
Speaker 1: Guy fear is an easy target. Um. I like his
Speaker 1: little Diners, drive Ins and Dives show West his favorite.
Speaker 1: I mean he's fine. We love to, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: get a little loose, maybe uh eating edible and watch
Speaker 1: some diners, drive ins and whatever for about hours on
Speaker 1: end in a row. Right, isn't he worth more than
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo to the populace at large? That's like the
Speaker 1: same price essentially. I mean he's underpaid compared to compared
Speaker 1: to like some of these left handed relievers, you know
Speaker 1: in the Major League Baseball. I'm saying Guy Fieri's earned it.
Speaker 1: It's a big so we are pro Guy Fiery. It
Speaker 1: is Connor Or is a huge Fiery fan. Another and
Speaker 1: by the way, go over all the listeners. Since Mark
Speaker 1: mentioned it, Kevin danger Hands has put out a coronavirus
Speaker 1: ballad called Patient Zero over on YouTube. Check it out,
Speaker 1: leave a comment. It's a banger. It's actually very well done. Um.
Speaker 1: I kind of wish it had come out like a
Speaker 1: year earlier, right at that wave of people's paranoia about
Speaker 1: the lock in thing. But um, he just knocked it
Speaker 1: out the park. But I can tell you this, that's
Speaker 1: when I heard the original demo version very early in
Speaker 1: the pandemic, and he worked on this thing like Freddie
Speaker 1: Mercury Works worked on Bohemian Rapsody. He wanted it to
Speaker 1: be the right sound and the right look for the video.
Speaker 1: So checking special on YouTube, Uh, and leave a comment
Speaker 1: if you can. All right, good, good show. Thanks to
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Speaker 1: Send in your thirty second or less submission, uh for
Speaker 1: a Steve Weish jingle. He said he was kind of
Speaker 1: into the Jamaican vibes. Um, so keep that in mind
Speaker 1: because I'm sure that will wait, uh, potentially heavily, heavily
Speaker 1: in the competition. But if you go a different path,
Speaker 1: if you believe, you believe in the quality of your work,
Speaker 1: don't be afraid to be different. I mean, look at
Speaker 1: Queen Bohemian Rhapsody, that that song should not have worked
Speaker 1: on any level. It was an absurd piece of music,
Speaker 1: and now it's a classic of the genre. So just
Speaker 1: keep that in mind, you know, be your version of
Speaker 1: blues traveler. That's what I'd say. I don't know what
Speaker 1: that means, but I don't quite know what it means either.
Speaker 1: But does that mean you have to wear a vest
Speaker 1: with like fifty harmonicas in the pockets? If that's true
Speaker 1: to your nature? I mean, I just these singers and
Speaker 1: performers out there just better be, you know, authentic, because
Speaker 1: we can sniff right through anything that's a little phony exactly.
Speaker 1: Nothing manufactured will be permitted. All right. We'll be back
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Speaker 1: this is Dan Hansis signing of Poor Quiet Storm, the
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Speaker 1: glass until Thursday? He's the cough