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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. I have

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Speaker 2: Ben Higgins here obviously with me, and he's about to

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Speaker 2: go into an interview with his ex girlfriend Jojo Fletcher.

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Speaker 3: How do you actually feel, Ben, Well, I feel good.

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Speaker 3: I would say this she is an ex to me,

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Speaker 3: meaning like it was a real relationship. I've never never

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Speaker 3: in my life ever discounted or said now that was

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Speaker 3: just a show relationship. Like she her really, like our

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Speaker 3: relationship together is as real to me and would be

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Speaker 3: like if I said, Okay, I've dated so many people

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Speaker 3: in my life, like she would be one of the

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Speaker 3: top people I'd say had the most impact on me

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Speaker 3: when it comes to a romantic relationship.

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Speaker 4: Do you feel that show?

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Speaker 2: Do you feel that way about any of the other

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Speaker 2: girls from your season or is it just Jojo and

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Speaker 2: then of course Lauren it's.

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Speaker 3: It's uh, you know, I think all of them were unique.

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Speaker 4: I think the two.

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Speaker 3: Like they would be the two that stood out to

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Speaker 3: me if somebody asked me what two relationships like have

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Speaker 3: played the most role in your life or which ones

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Speaker 3: have you thought about the most, or which ones in

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Speaker 3: your single days where you like the what ifs of

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Speaker 3: it would be those two. Obviously, you know, Kayla and

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Speaker 3: I had something great and it was really special, but

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Speaker 3: it never reached the depth of the other two. Especially

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Speaker 3: I think the realization at the end where I was

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Speaker 3: a mess, Right, you send somebody home that I mean,

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Speaker 3: I really did love and I cared about and you're

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Speaker 3: watching them walk away and like your heart is breaking

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Speaker 3: and you feel like you just got out of a breakup,

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Speaker 3: yet you have to be happy and you know twenty

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Speaker 3: minutes when the next arrives, and it was hard for

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Speaker 3: me to do. I think that's for me where I

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Speaker 3: look back and I know it was real, and then

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Speaker 3: post show, as clarity came in and as time spent,

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Speaker 3: it was still that real to me. It's still I

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Speaker 3: remember that day and I still remember the pain that

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Speaker 3: was felt as I said, hey, I want you, I

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Speaker 3: wish the best for you, but that it isn't here.

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Speaker 3: And it was still the relationship too. After Lauren I

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Speaker 3: broke up that I looked back on and I said,

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Speaker 3: what if, What could I have done? Or what should

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Speaker 3: I have done? Or you know, there's just all those

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Speaker 3: questions and so talking to Jojo will be. I'm not nervous.

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Speaker 3: And there's a reason because Jojo and from what I

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Speaker 3: know about Jordan, I've met Jordan in person twice. Once

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Speaker 3: was really soon after our you know time on the

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Speaker 3: Bachelor and Bachelor at the other one was in an

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Speaker 3: airport that I'm sure we'll talk about with them, but

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Speaker 3: like he's great, I and JoJo's fantastic. Like, I'm not

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Speaker 3: nervous because I don't expect this to be a oh

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Speaker 3: my gosh, this is going to be super awkward. This

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Speaker 3: is going to be really hard. She's a great communicator.

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Speaker 3: She's very kind, but she's also very truthful, which you know,

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Speaker 3: I respect because if there is things that I did

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Speaker 3: won't be this like I want to, you know, get

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Speaker 3: you moment. It's like, I know I'll tell you because

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Speaker 3: it hurt me, and that's good.

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Speaker 2: Do you have you two spoken in depth at all

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Speaker 2: since you left her on the show slash you know

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Speaker 2: the tell all?

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Speaker 3: And there's a reason. One is I would have loved

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Speaker 3: to h I think it. It was always something I

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Speaker 3: needed some closure. Maybe on my end selfishly, I just

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Speaker 3: needed a chance to talk to her again. But I

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Speaker 3: was with Lauren following the show, and it wasn't you know,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't something that I was right or wise of

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Speaker 3: those same issues Lauren and I post show. So I've

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Speaker 3: never talked to Jojo in depth. I've never had a

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Speaker 3: sure we'll bring up to them and give details in

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Speaker 3: years have passed and our lives are in two incredible places,

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Speaker 3: but there is still that this is just a cool

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Speaker 3: person that I got to meet, and I don't want

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Speaker 3: know that I feel any way other than I've always

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Speaker 3: just like desperately dreamed of both of us doing really

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Speaker 3: well post show. You know, that's always been and that

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Speaker 3: Lauren relationship and kind of the thing was like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: but there was one human here that always wanted me

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Speaker 3: had every opportunity to slam me, she had every opportunity

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Speaker 3: that's just speaking to her character and who she is

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Speaker 3: as a person, Like I've never doubted that Jojo has

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Speaker 3: my best interests, Like she wants what's best for me,

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Speaker 3: no matter what that looks like. And maybe that wasn't

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Speaker 3: shown on the show all the time. It was like

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Speaker 3: her just always wanting what's best for me, And that

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Speaker 3: that brought up the most what ifs of Wait, now

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Speaker 3: there was somebody on that show that always made me

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Speaker 4: What's going on.

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Speaker 2: One of the biggest moments in Bachelor history was the

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Speaker 2: fact that you were kind of the first to say

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Speaker 2: I love you to two different people. Of course we're

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Speaker 2: gonna have to broach this today. What do you predict

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Speaker 2: Jojo will say about you telling her that.

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Speaker 3: I think she'll know. I think she'll I think she'll say,

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Speaker 3: of course she did, Like, I don't think that was

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Speaker 3: every I don't think Jojo ever questioned how I felt

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Speaker 3: was also part of my reasoning back in the day. Again,

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Speaker 3: Like we were way passed, you know. I think it

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Speaker 3: I don't think she'll be mad that I said it.

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Speaker 3: reliving that time, say yeah, that that hurt. It was

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Speaker 3: it was a confusing twist because I knew you did.

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Speaker 3: think she'll say it hurt her, But also she'll look

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Speaker 3: because you're saying goodbye to somebody I know you cared about,

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Speaker 3: And so I don't think there's anger. I don't think

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Speaker 3: more just like what happened, Like what what was going on?

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Speaker 3: Because again, we never had closure. I never got the

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Speaker 3: that was a pivotal point in showing us like who

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Speaker 3: you know, when I met Jessica, I met somebody that

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Speaker 3: has always desired what's best for me, supports me no

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Speaker 3: you know, I learned, or at least I saw that

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Speaker 3: my wife in an incredible way, And and that's huge.

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Speaker 4: It just happened to come from a show.

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Speaker 2: Now, speaking of time past, it's been six years since

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Speaker 2: you be doing the show, and you have never had

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Speaker 2: this conversation with Jojo thus far, even with the platform.

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Speaker 2: Think that that Jordan possibly has something to do with that,

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Speaker 2: like he would feel awkward her talking to an ex publicly.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think so, because I think they're very

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Speaker 3: There's too much happening, and I don't think either of

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Speaker 3: did that teach you? I think it is still fresh.

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Speaker 3: I think it would have been harder for us, and

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Speaker 3: I think it would have There would have just been

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Speaker 3: I just I still think you're the best, and I

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Speaker 3: not worried about like feelings and romantic feelings coming back up,

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Speaker 3: you know, And I think that's I think that's probably

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Speaker 3: a healthier place for us to have these conversations. I

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Speaker 3: also think and people are like, why didn't you ever

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Speaker 3: they were healthy and you were, you know, out of relationship.

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Speaker 3: Now on a podcast, I think the podcast is the

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Speaker 3: only platform that we would be able to have this

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Speaker 3: we talk like they were six years removed and seven

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Speaker 3: like we need to talk, Like I think that would

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So that being said, Jess doesn't mind that you're

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Speaker 2: about to basically FaceTime with your ex for an hour.

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Speaker 3: If if well, I didn't tell her this morning because

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Speaker 3: she'd be like okay, yeah, yeah, this is good luck

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Speaker 3: have fun, like go do it. I don't know, like

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Speaker 3: you know, again, I think in Jessica and I've been

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Speaker 3: very clear with each other about this, and like past

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Speaker 3: relationships are really good when they're really good, when you

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Speaker 3: look back on them with you know, with a smile

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Speaker 3: really great. But just like the wedding song we danced

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Speaker 3: to by Cody Johnson, the road led to Jessica, like

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Speaker 3: the road led to her, even all the ups and

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Speaker 3: done differently, that it all led to her. And because

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Speaker 3: of that, like no, Jessica would not have any any

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Speaker 3: issues with this. She'll probably listen and she'll be curious

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Speaker 3: because she's never watched the show. But anytime, you know,

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Speaker 3: and again going back to Jessica, when he wants best

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Speaker 3: if it's not like haunting me and even if it's

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Speaker 3: think about Jojo very often at all. She wants that

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Speaker 3: just has been abandoned for many years, like close that.

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Speaker 3: It was the same thing when Chris, Lene and I

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Speaker 3: I want what's best for her. I want her to

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Speaker 3: really like him in a way? Was this like closure

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Speaker 3: and healing for me to say, yes, she's doing great

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Speaker 3: think it's healthy for me now to say, Okay, it's

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Speaker 3: always great when a past relationship can be healed and

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Speaker 2: Well, if this interview goes well, which I'm sure it will,

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Speaker 2: maybe Jojo, In, Jordan, Chris, and Lauren they'll all be

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Speaker 4: Wouldn't that be wild?

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Speaker 3: I don't know? Uh, all right, I mean, I think

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Speaker 3: the husbands and I could kick it. I'll let the

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Speaker 3: ladies do their thing. That might be, yeah, that might be, that.

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Speaker 2: Might might be crossing the line.

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Speaker 4: That might be a little weird for me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well it definitely probably be weird for dress. So

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Speaker 2: all right, well, guys, our interview with Jojo and Jordan

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Speaker 2: is coming up on the next episode, but we did

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Speaker 2: want to have this little intro just to like vibe

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Speaker 2: Ben out.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing but excitement in my heart. Oh good, little

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Speaker 3: little anxiousness, not nerves, but I'm excited to talk to

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Speaker 3: the two of them because I know they're great, and

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Speaker 3: I know this will go great.

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Speaker 4: Let's do it.

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