Speaker 1: Hey everybody, It's Monday, August twelfth, twenty twenty four. Welcome
Speaker 1: to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. We're ready for live
Speaker 1: reps now. It's been your man, MG Marcus Grant, joined
Speaker 1: by Michael F. Floyo and Lakwan Jones. Gentlemen, it's nice
Speaker 1: to be back in southern California. It's nice to travel.
Speaker 1: It is nice to travel. It's nice to go different places.
Speaker 1: It's always nice to come home and sleep in your
Speaker 1: own beds. In case you were wondering what we were
Speaker 1: talking about, the three of us, along with several hundred
Speaker 1: of our closest and maybe newest friends, we're in Can't
Speaker 1: Ohio over the weekend for the Fantasy Football Expo. Shout
Speaker 1: out to Bob Long and mostly the Lung family. It
Speaker 1: is like a family affair that helps put this thing on.
Speaker 1: Along with all the other volunteers and employees around there.
Speaker 1: They help put this thing together and make it so special,
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Yet again this weekend Florida. I
Speaker 1: do want to ask you, because this was your first one,
Speaker 1: Lakwan and I have been there. This was your first expo.
Speaker 1: Your thoughts now that you have been a part of
Speaker 1: that madness for the weekend.
Speaker 2: I've already told everyone I'm coming back next year, So
Speaker 2: I think that sums it up. Like I had so
Speaker 2: much fun. Look, obviously it's cool to be with a
Speaker 2: bunch of like minded people who are as passionate about
Speaker 2: this as we are. But I always the best conversations
Speaker 2: aren't even about football, Like, yeah, me and Marcus We're
Speaker 2: talking like two thousands baseball for over an hour, like
Speaker 2: on Saturday night. That was a lot of fun with football,
Speaker 2: I mean, and then obviously networking and all the important
Speaker 2: stuff of the xpo. But my voice, if it sounds
Speaker 2: a little raspy or crack, I can hear a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Not only did I do the expo all week, I
Speaker 2: got off the plane last night and I went directly
Speaker 2: to another bar for my friend's first ever show. Shout
Speaker 2: out to Tatau check out his music.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: It was a good time. But I'm on the struggle
Speaker 2: bus right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, it's a it's a fun weekend.
Speaker 1: I will say, like I get home, Uh, my my
Speaker 1: mother in law's in the house, she's hanging out, and
Speaker 1: she says, well, what's the highlight of the weekend? And
Speaker 1: I said, well, it was probably the impromptu late night
Speaker 1: with football game that broke out on the downtown Canton, Ohio.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: If you want to understand more, you can just go
Speaker 1: through my Twitter feed.
Speaker 3: Uh. The the amazing.
Speaker 1: And hilarious and talented Drew Davenport was, you know, swinging
Speaker 1: with fule Bat. Thanks to Eric Froton, who does a
Speaker 1: lot of great college football stuff for in BC. Yes
Speaker 1: in ALCA, shout out some Mariso Gutiers for bringing the
Speaker 1: Luca door masks.
Speaker 3: I should have worn mine for the show today. I
Speaker 3: did not. It's a it's in my room. I should
Speaker 3: have brought it. Didn't think about it.
Speaker 2: Can I tell you my highlight of this trio?
Speaker 3: Please?
Speaker 2: We're in the car. Lakwalan already knows where I'm going
Speaker 2: with this. It's uh, it's Mike Daddy's home. FF I
Speaker 2: believe is his? Yes, Mike, Yeah, it's Coop. Everyone knows
Speaker 2: Coope Andrew Cooper. And then it's me and la Quan
Speaker 2: in the back and Coop calls me so that I
Speaker 2: have his number so we can connect, and he's like, Lakwan,
Speaker 2: I don't think I have your number. I'm gonna call it.
Speaker 2: Like he gets it. He goes, I'm gonna call you
Speaker 2: so that we could connect, and it just comes up
Speaker 2: on the quat's photo. Is Matt Harmon?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, So apparently apparently God beardy white fantasy football
Speaker 1: guys all look alike to la Quan.
Speaker 2: No, listen, I'm Matt Harmon. Coop's Matt Harmon.
Speaker 3: If you're white, you're Matt Harmon. That's it. That's what
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 2: Now that we said that probably fifty times and it's
Speaker 2: still hilarious. Like, I'm so embarrassed man, because the conviction
Speaker 2: and the passion. I was like, dude, I have your number,
Speaker 2: like you're I've had, I've exed you before.
Speaker 4: And then he calls me and my face just drops.
Speaker 4: I'm like, wait, I don't have Matt Harmon's number, Matt
Speaker 4: Harmon in my phone. I was like, oh my god, yeah.
Speaker 2: With Harmon and he was like, I don't think I
Speaker 2: ever gave my number to la Quan. That's why I
Speaker 2: was like, I know for a fact, I don't have
Speaker 2: his number. So I'm like, this is so weird, this
Speaker 2: is so awkward, man.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: It was the highlight for me.
Speaker 1: It was it is a blast of a weekend. If
Speaker 1: we had a chance to interact with you.
Speaker 3: I really am.
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for everybody who came by to say hello,
Speaker 1: to shake hands, to talk. You know, if I met
Speaker 1: you for the first time, I trust me, I enjoyed it,
Speaker 1: and you know, look forward to the season, look forward
Speaker 1: to next year as well. For those of you who
Speaker 1: are listening to this and you have never been, one
Speaker 1: hundred and twelve percent would recommend it absolutely.
Speaker 4: Shout out to our Canadian listeners too, man, yeah, manou
Speaker 4: out to them.
Speaker 1: A lot of folks from the Great White North were
Speaker 1: hanging out and introducing themselves. So yeah, absolutely, absolutely so
Speaker 1: I recommend it next year.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Bob Lung like you said, Marcus, but
Speaker 2: also shout out to YouTube, because you two encouraged me
Speaker 2: for a while to come to this and you were
Speaker 2: like you just got it, like you sold it very well,
Speaker 2: but you guys were like, where not even doing it justice?
Speaker 2: And you guys it lived up like and exceeded it.
Speaker 2: And I had a great time with you guys, So
Speaker 2: thank you for pushing me to come.
Speaker 4: Absolutely man. Great team building for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1: All right, extually other football related news, because I guess
Speaker 1: that's what we do here on this show. There were
Speaker 1: preseason games over the weekend. There were a lot of
Speaker 1: preseason games over the weekend. One thing that's sort of
Speaker 1: jumped out to me, though, Marquise Brown actually had to
Speaker 1: go to the hospital after suffering a shoulder injury in
Speaker 1: Kansas City's game this weekend saw Xavier Worthy actually get
Speaker 1: a lot of run too, get a few targets as well.
Speaker 3: All those guys.
Speaker 1: Are bunched so close together when you talk about Brown, Worthy,
Speaker 1: Rashie Rice, they're all fairly close together in ADP, I
Speaker 1: mean Florida with this and not really knowing how serious
Speaker 1: it is, he's definitely gonna miss some time. We'll see
Speaker 1: how much is this enough to sort of knock him
Speaker 1: down the rankings considering we are, you know, it just
Speaker 1: seems to be like you sort of picked your favorite
Speaker 1: Chiefs receiver at this point.
Speaker 2: And unfortunately for me, my favorite has been Marquise Brown.
Speaker 2: I've written about him on like as one of my
Speaker 2: top ten values. I thought he had potentially wide receiver
Speaker 2: one in Fantasy football upside in this offense, and I
Speaker 2: don't want to say he doesn't anymore because we don't
Speaker 2: know the clarity But one big change that I am
Speaker 2: making this year that I learned the hard way last year.
Speaker 2: Like even after Cooper Cup got hurt last year, I
Speaker 2: was like, look, we're getting an injury discount baked in
Speaker 2: and everything. But I don't love taking players that get
Speaker 2: hurt in training camp who because just like Cooper Cup,
Speaker 2: like he could try to come back and one little
Speaker 2: setback could be multiple weeks again missed. And I've already
Speaker 2: seen some speculation that does this keep him out now
Speaker 2: the rest of camp? And that is something then you
Speaker 2: have to worry because could he be slow starting. So
Speaker 2: I do think I don't know exactly how far yet
Speaker 2: I'm going to knock him in the rankings, but I'm
Speaker 2: definitely going to be lowering him. And I think Xavier
Speaker 2: Worthy is the big winner of this because those two
Speaker 2: are very similar skill sets. And if Worthy now is
Speaker 2: gonna get more time in training camp and more time
Speaker 2: at practice and everything leading up to the start of
Speaker 2: the season. But we could see the Chiefs and they've
Speaker 2: said they're not gonna do this with him, but they
Speaker 2: always like to ease along their rookies. Maybe this pushes
Speaker 2: them to really not do that with Xavier Worthy and
Speaker 2: just set him free Week one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know, how are you feeling
Speaker 1: about this laquad in terms of, you know, what this
Speaker 1: means for Markeith Brown, what it means for guys like
Speaker 1: Worthy and Rushie Rice at this point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, It's definitely unfortunate, man, because I thought this would
Speaker 4: be the year that, you know, he has a quarterback
Speaker 4: where it's Patrick Mahons, where he's going to be able
Speaker 4: to stretch the field and do all the things that
Speaker 4: we loved but that he did with Lamar Jackson. But
Speaker 4: he just can't stay healthy.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: This dude's been banged up every season he's been in
Speaker 4: the league. So it's kind of unfortunate that, you know,
Speaker 4: he has to drop down in the rankings, And like
Speaker 4: Florio said, the slow start is really what I'm worried about.
Speaker 4: So now I'm kind of pivoting my attention to maybe
Speaker 4: Xavier or Worthy becomes maybe how Rashid Rice had his
Speaker 4: rookie year, he was actually productive, and I think this
Speaker 4: is a huge boost for both of those players. Like
Speaker 4: we still don't know the outcome of Rice and his
Speaker 4: all field situation, but I've been drafting a lot of
Speaker 4: him and Xavier Worthy as of late. So it's like,
Speaker 4: I honestly think, you know, Marquise Brown, he might not
Speaker 4: be able to be on my rosters this summer.
Speaker 3: Does Does Patrick Mahomes take a hit for either of
Speaker 3: you guys?
Speaker 4: No, I don't think so, not much.
Speaker 3: No, okay, because.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's still like they have if Worthy wasn't there,
Speaker 2: and now all of a sudden it looked like it
Speaker 2: was gonna be the exact same room we're kind of
Speaker 2: similar to last year.
Speaker 4: Then more Rice is suspended for six to eight games,
Speaker 4: and you know, yeah, that will be huge.
Speaker 2: They need that downfield ability and as long as one
Speaker 2: of those two guys are there to provide it, I'll
Speaker 2: feel okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I was just like, I'm really just
Speaker 1: thinking about this because obviously, if they don't have one
Speaker 1: of their downfield threats, does it look like last year's
Speaker 1: offense again? But if Worthy can sort of fill that role,
Speaker 1: then I think we can feel okay about where Mahomes.
Speaker 2: Is going is a little more risk because we know
Speaker 2: Mark Keith Brown can do that at the NFL level.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we have, we have. You know, again, we
Speaker 1: haven't seen Xavier Worthy do it. We all believe we
Speaker 1: haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 4: They've all been sharing that shame video of like Xavier
Speaker 4: Worthy of getting pushed down off the line, Like come on, man,
Speaker 4: that's a huge and eighty pound linebacker.
Speaker 1: Of course, I mean yeah, but we also that was
Speaker 1: also I think a concern right when when he was
Speaker 1: drafted that he is obviously incredibly fast. He is not
Speaker 1: a big guy though, in how he would handle press coverage. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna always be a giant linebacker and he's
Speaker 1: lined up against but you know, how would he handle
Speaker 1: it against physical corners. So I think that's still still
Speaker 1: a concern, But you're right, Andy Reid can sort of
Speaker 1: scheme around that sort of thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: It was a good weekend for rookie quarterbacks across the league.
Speaker 1: Michael pennocks at over one hundred passing yards. He looked
Speaker 1: very good. Jayden Daniels I saw the rushing touchdown highlight.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many times come up on my
Speaker 1: timeline this past weekend. Passing number fine two of three,
Speaker 1: forty five yards, Caleb Williams four of seven passing ninety
Speaker 1: five yards, thirteen rush yards, but just some Caleb like
Speaker 1: highlights him real rolling out one way and then throwing
Speaker 1: darts back the other way to wide open guys. Bears
Speaker 1: fans were absolutely euphoric on my timeline over the weekend
Speaker 1: just watching Caleb Williams play. JJ McCarthy came in later
Speaker 1: against the Raiders and had one hundred and eighty eight
Speaker 1: yards a couple of touchdown passes. Bo Nicks had a
Speaker 1: touchdown pass, led four different scoring drives. So I think
Speaker 1: overall it was a good weekend for the top level
Speaker 1: rookie quarterbacks across the league. I'll start with you, Lakwan,
Speaker 1: did this change your opinions about any of these guys?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: This class is ready to go. I mean, I'm looking
Speaker 4: at Panics, like, he looked real comfortable, he looked good,
Speaker 4: he wasn't afraid to take those deep shots. Like it
Speaker 4: was really refreshing to see this Falcons offense kind of
Speaker 4: I'm going with a different swagger and like man like.
Speaker 4: I was really excited to see like the highlights of
Speaker 4: Michael Pennis And I'm like, hey, Kirk Cousins been not slip.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what, he bet not have a slow
Speaker 4: start and starting out one in three or one in four.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure we might see Penix this season if
Speaker 4: you know, if Kirk Cousins is not back healthy from
Speaker 4: the Achilles there. But man, I mean, all these guys
Speaker 4: became winners in my book, you know, like it's really
Speaker 4: good to see Jayden Daniels and see Michael Pennix and
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams. All these guys really heat. But Pennix was
Speaker 4: my favorite. You know, just high hopes for this, you know,
Speaker 4: Falcons offense.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, Penix we know is not gonna start
Speaker 1: unless something happens to Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3: I mean, Florya.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like JJ McCarthy's going to be the starter.
Speaker 1: Just it feels like they're gonna go with Darnold and
Speaker 1: McCarthy is there in case something goes sideways. Bow Knicks
Speaker 1: seems like the interesting one, right, Jay and Daniels is
Speaker 1: starting in Washington, Caleb Williams is starting in Chicago. We
Speaker 1: pretty much know that bow Knicks is in a little
Speaker 1: bit of a competition. Does this give him a leg up?
Speaker 1: Do we want to see him start just because we
Speaker 1: sort of know, you know, we know it at Stidham
Speaker 1: is we know what Zach Wilson is.
Speaker 3: Are we rooting for bow Knicks at this point.
Speaker 2: I am. And since the draft, my mindset has been,
Speaker 2: like you, this is one who fantasy people should want
Speaker 2: to start, and two, this is who the Broncos should
Speaker 2: want to start. We, like you said, we know who
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson and Jared stidem are. They're backups at the
Speaker 2: NFL level. You used a first round pick, You're in
Speaker 2: cap hell the next two years. It is the perfect
Speaker 2: situation to give this rookie as many reps as you
Speaker 2: can to know if you have a guy or not.
Speaker 2: And he looked so good and my and my thing
Speaker 2: is that I know him. Not the first person to
Speaker 2: say this though, but when there's a competition between a
Speaker 2: veteran and a rookie, the veteran needs to run away
Speaker 2: with the job. In my opinion, if they are close,
Speaker 2: go with the rookie or the kid and see what
Speaker 2: you have there while they're on a rookie deal, like
Speaker 2: that's when you could strike. So I don't love sitting
Speaker 2: a rookie for someone like Stidham. So I thought bo
Speaker 2: Nicks was a big winner, But I also thought JJ McCarty. Look,
Speaker 2: it was on while we were all watching tm USA together,
Speaker 2: So I won't say I was locked in on but
Speaker 2: outside of that interception, I thought he looked really good
Speaker 2: and he had really good placement to some throws on
Speaker 2: the sideline. Caleb is a playmaker. You can't teach that,
Speaker 2: and you saw that immediately come out. But the other
Speaker 2: thing I Pennix, like Lacwel was saying, you feel better,
Speaker 2: I think about taking London and Pittston because you know,
Speaker 2: if something happens to Cousins, there's a competent, competent backup there.
Speaker 2: But I did love seeing my man Jayde and Dany.
Speaker 2: He only threw three times, but he connected on a
Speaker 2: deep ball to Johan Dotson, which that got me John
Speaker 2: Dotson two playing out of the slot. Take note of
Speaker 2: that because that that definitely makes him someone that I
Speaker 2: want to target in the later rounds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very very excited about what I saw out of Penix.
Speaker 1: And it was very funny because most of us in
Speaker 1: Campton were locked in on the USA France gold medal game.
Speaker 1: I can assess part of the King's Classic Draft. We
Speaker 1: were all kind of like, hey, let's speed this along
Speaker 1: so we can kind of get out of here over this,
Speaker 1: go watch this basketball game somewhere but you know, it
Speaker 1: was nice to kind of keep it keep an eye,
Speaker 1: keep one eye on some of these preseason football games too,
Speaker 1: to kind of get a sense of who is doing what.
Speaker 1: The crux of the show, we're going to continue our
Speaker 1: division previous We got two divisions left. They are the
Speaker 1: Eastern Division. So today we'll have the AFC East. On
Speaker 1: Wednesday we will have the NFC East. So take a break,
Speaker 1: come back, and dive in into the American Football Conference
Speaker 1: Eastern Division on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.
Speaker 3: Starting with the AFC East.
Speaker 1: As always, it is alphabetical order, so that gets us
Speaker 1: to the Buffalo Bills and their top scorers from last
Speaker 1: year as Florido celebrates Josh Allen. No surprise, he was
Speaker 1: the QB one overall four hundred and ten point nine points.
Speaker 3: James Cook the top running back in Buffalo.
Speaker 1: He was ORB twelve in fantasy two hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: two point seven, Stefan Diggs two hundred and seventy three
Speaker 1: point eight points. That was good for wide receiver nine,
Speaker 1: and Dalton kink one hundred and fifty point three points
Speaker 1: tight end eleven. So good good first season for Dalton
Speaker 1: kinkaid in the offseason the Bills. Obviously, they moved on
Speaker 1: from Stefan Diggs. That was a big part of it.
Speaker 1: They traded him to the Houston Texans. They also let
Speaker 1: Gabe Davis walk. Some of the other losses from the
Speaker 1: off season quarterback Kyle Allen, Damian Harris, running back retired,
Speaker 1: Latavius Murray. I believe it's still a free agent if
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken right now. Deonta Hardy, Trent Sherfield also
Speaker 1: gone from Buffalo.
Speaker 3: They did add.
Speaker 1: Mitchell Trubisky and Chase Claypool and Mac Hollins in free agency.
Speaker 1: They signed Curtis Samuel as well as Marcus Valdez Scantling.
Speaker 1: They spent a second round draft pick on Keon Coleman
Speaker 1: and a fourth round draft pick on running back Ray Davis.
Speaker 1: First Bill off the board, no surprise, it's Josh Allen
Speaker 1: going in the middle to late parts of the second
Speaker 1: round generally. So I am going to ask this to
Speaker 1: Lakwan first, because you know, I don't I don't want
Speaker 1: to prize all right, we will get to it.
Speaker 3: Oh, then maybe I'll start with you. Then I want
Speaker 3: to be surprised.
Speaker 1: I mean, should Josh Allen be drafted as the QB one,
Speaker 1: given really the fact that it's a brand new wide
Speaker 1: receiver corps that he's got there.
Speaker 3: I mean, pretty much everybody is new this year.
Speaker 1: We know he can run with the ball, but is
Speaker 1: it's still enough for him to be drafted as the
Speaker 1: first quarterback.
Speaker 2: I think he should be the first quarterback taken, but
Speaker 2: I am never going to be the one taking him.
Speaker 2: It's twofold one. It's because I think quarterback is deeper
Speaker 2: than ever. So when you look at the fall off,
Speaker 2: say from like a round two quarterback to like round seven,
Speaker 2: you're getting like Kyler Murray, round eight to nine, you
Speaker 2: could get Jaden Daniels. I think that falloff is much
Speaker 2: smaller than say a wide receiver or a running back
Speaker 2: fall off from round two to seven. But even beyond that,
Speaker 2: I don't think people realize Josh Allen was the QB
Speaker 2: one with Joe Brady last year, but it was because
Speaker 2: he had eleven rushing touchdowns in nine games. That is unsustainable.
Speaker 2: His passing numbers got way worse with Joe Brady than
Speaker 2: they were with Ken Dorsey or with Brian Dables. So
Speaker 2: I think, look, there's still the rushing numbers and He's
Speaker 2: still gonna put up at least respectable passing numbers, I think.
Speaker 2: But because of all of that, I don't find myself
Speaker 2: taking any of the elite quarterbacks this year Alan Hurts.
Speaker 2: They've all had some sort of change, and it's quarterback
Speaker 2: is deeper than ever. So because of those two reasons,
Speaker 2: I have like two shares maybe of Josh Allen and Bestball,
Speaker 2: just to have some but not much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's wild because I'm with you, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't have much of Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've drafted some Lamar Jackson because I just
Speaker 1: think he's gonna.
Speaker 3: Have a huge season.
Speaker 1: But I mean, lukwan are are I won't say we're
Speaker 1: I won't say are we over drafting Josh Allen because
Speaker 1: I don't think that's I don't think that's true.
Speaker 3: No, just because of where the ceiling is.
Speaker 1: But I mean, is it really worth it to take
Speaker 1: that swing on him because it just feels like the
Speaker 1: gap between him and everybody else is not that big?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I disagree. I think he is the QB one though,
Speaker 4: Like I'm really surprised you guys put me on an
Speaker 4: Island for this segment, though, we were all collective and
Speaker 4: understand like, oh, yeah, this guy is the guy. But man,
Speaker 4: like the fifteen rushing touchdowns, I do think that's gonna
Speaker 4: like come down a bit, but maybe not because I
Speaker 4: honestly think that, you know, once Josh Allen and the
Speaker 4: Buffalo Bills made their own version of the toushpush, Like,
Speaker 4: I feel like that's where majority of those touchdowns came
Speaker 4: from because he's a bigger quarterback, and I honestly think
Speaker 4: the gap between him and Jalen Hurts and Lamar Jackson
Speaker 4: is obviously because he plays a lot of hero ball,
Speaker 4: He's gonna get you more passing yards those guys, So
Speaker 4: four thousand yards is on the table. Plus he's gonna
Speaker 4: be able to execute in the red zone a lot
Speaker 4: better than Jalen Hurts, I believe, without Jason Kelce with
Speaker 4: the Toush push. But I'm just looking at it, like, man,
Speaker 4: the dude average twenty five Fantasy points per game with
Speaker 4: Joe Brady, so I do feel like versus Ken Dorsey
Speaker 4: in those ten games, it was at like twenty two
Speaker 4: on the scale of almost like to twenty twenty one
Speaker 4: most weeks, but I'm looking at Josh Allen as the
Speaker 4: QB one just based on what we're about to get.
Speaker 4: We're about to get Khalis Shakir and Don't Kin Ki
Speaker 4: breakout happening, Gonna plant that flag right now. They're gonna
Speaker 4: be coexisting, these guys that you want to have, and
Speaker 4: Josh Allen is gonna be going to these guys just
Speaker 4: based on we know that he loves targeting that slot.
Speaker 4: And it feels like a similar situation with you have
Speaker 4: Evan Ingrom and then you have Christian Kirk with those
Speaker 4: guys just relying on the slot. And we all know
Speaker 4: Cole Beaz he went three season in a row with
Speaker 4: one hundred plus target So I think right now Joe
Speaker 4: Brady understands and knows that he has what's in the building.
Speaker 4: The talent that he has and the love he has
Speaker 4: with Khalil Shakir and Don't Kin Kid is going to
Speaker 4: be such a huge factor for this offense. So I'm
Speaker 4: looking at Josh Allen like nothing really happened. It's not
Speaker 4: that anything got worse. I just feel as though, like
Speaker 4: the gap between the other rushing quarterbacks and drafts of
Speaker 4: the Leafs, Josh Allen is going to be able to
Speaker 4: clear those guys when it comes to passing yards, when
Speaker 4: it comes to rushing touchdowns, just overall touchdowns as well.
Speaker 2: He needs to he goes left every time on the
Speaker 2: toush push. He needs to adjumpt. Yeah, yes, definitely.
Speaker 4: But he's a bigger he's a bigger quarterback, so like
Speaker 4: he can create these opportunities on his own as well,
Speaker 4: Like he'll rush it from outside the ten yard line,
Speaker 4: He'll be at the twenty two and end up somewhere
Speaker 4: close to the end ending.
Speaker 2: And the yard rushing touchdown the playoffs too.
Speaker 4: Like, dude, like this is like crazy, Like I really
Speaker 4: look at it as like the price is hefty, but
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be mad.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: If I have to get him in the middle or
Speaker 4: the back end of that second round, if guys that
Speaker 4: I like at the wide receiver position there are gone,
Speaker 4: then I'm getting sniped whatever. I'll get the QB one
Speaker 4: on that back and in the second round.
Speaker 1: I've just I've never gotten to that spot in the
Speaker 1: draft and felt like I need to take a quarterback here.
Speaker 4: I know it's a nasty feeling, but if it's Josh Allen,
Speaker 4: I'm confident.
Speaker 3: I'll do it all right, all right, I really was.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm glad.
Speaker 1: I'm glad at least one of us is on the
Speaker 1: other side of this, right, because it would have been
Speaker 1: boring for you.
Speaker 2: Guys put me on the island the one topic.
Speaker 1: Though, Yeah, yeah, I mean, so Lakwan got into Khalil
Speaker 1: Shakir a little bit. That mean Flora, who is the
Speaker 1: wide receiver one on this team with Stefan Diggs on.
Speaker 2: Khalil Shakira is my favorite value of them all. I
Speaker 2: don't think enough people take note of what happened down
Speaker 2: the stretch. Last year. He was top two amongst all
Speaker 2: wide receivers and Fantasy points per target and per opportunity.
Speaker 2: He was third and yak per catch, he led the
Speaker 2: position in yards per target, and he had the best
Speaker 2: catch right of all time. Plus in the playoffs he
Speaker 2: was getting highly targeted. He made the two plays of
Speaker 2: each game where and against the Steelers he did that
Speaker 2: duck and under and he scored the touchdown and then
Speaker 2: somehow caught the one against the Chiefs that that was
Speaker 2: extremely impressive. So I think he is the best value
Speaker 2: for all the reasons. LQ was saying too how much
Speaker 2: Allen loves the slot Cole Beasley all of that, but
Speaker 2: I think key On Coleman should be the first one
Speaker 2: drafted because I think the ceiling is very high. I know,
Speaker 2: Like I was laughing to my self hungover in the
Speaker 2: hotel room Sunday morning, because I saw a bunch of
Speaker 2: tweets that were like key On Coleman can't separate, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, one, if you're only realizing this now, you
Speaker 2: didn't watch his college tape, yes, but when when I
Speaker 2: wrote about him before the draft, even like before he
Speaker 2: was a Bill or anything, I was like, this guy
Speaker 2: is quarterback dependent. And what I mean by that is
Speaker 2: I don't think any he could be successful with any
Speaker 2: quarterback because of the separation issues. But he is massive,
Speaker 2: He's got a huge catch radius. He is the best
Speaker 2: contested catch wide receiver that Josh Allen has ever played with.
Speaker 2: He's Allan has never had a weapon like Coleman. And
Speaker 2: that's why he handpicked Coleman out of this group of
Speaker 2: receivers and said, get me that guy. And yeah, there
Speaker 2: might be separation issues, but when you can do all
Speaker 2: of that and you have a quarterback like Josh Allen
Speaker 2: who could put it on a laser. I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't think this set like. I think he's gonna be fine.
Speaker 2: And I said, like, if he gets a strong armed
Speaker 2: quarterback like Alan Mahomes someone like that, he can succeed
Speaker 2: and be at a high level in the NFL. And
Speaker 2: he got that, so I'm excited. I think he might
Speaker 2: be a little bit slow starting, but I expect him
Speaker 2: to quickly take over as the X and be out
Speaker 2: there consistently. And I think the ceiling.
Speaker 3: Is very, very high.
Speaker 1: Any How do you gus feel about Curtis Samuel? Maybe
Speaker 1: not the wide receiver one I am had?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Really well, damn yeah, what's wrong with you today?
Speaker 3: Are you not?
Speaker 2: Like? What are we doing? Everyone is getting hyped up
Speaker 2: for Curtis Samuel. I'm just not. I know when he
Speaker 2: played his best, it was with Joe Brady, but I
Speaker 2: went and I dug into that season a bit. He
Speaker 2: was still third in usage amongst their wide receivers, but
Speaker 2: he excelled because he was getting used a lot like
Speaker 2: a running back because Christian McCaffrey had a season ending
Speaker 2: injury that year, so with them having two running backs
Speaker 2: that could be used in the passing game, and then
Speaker 2: Shakir and Kincaid who could also win underneath. I think
Speaker 2: Curtis Samuel is a really really good real life piece.
Speaker 2: I just think he's one of those players that's all
Speaker 2: floor for fantasy and that's not the kind of player
Speaker 2: that I like to draft.
Speaker 4: All right, I'm not mad at it.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm been starting to buy in just because
Speaker 1: of that versatility a little bit, which admittedly that goes
Speaker 1: against my general philosophy of things, right, because Curtis Samuel
Speaker 1: in reality, sort of has Duke Johnson tendencies, you know, right,
Speaker 1: But I like Duke Johnson as a player. But my
Speaker 1: thing with Duke Johnson and it applies to Curtis Samuels.
Speaker 1: Duke Johnson was a good running back on a team
Speaker 1: that always on a team with better running backs. And
Speaker 1: he was a good receiver, but always on a team
Speaker 1: with better receivers. And it sort of feels like Curtis
Speaker 1: Samuel is kind of falling down that same path where
Speaker 1: you know, you can use him in the backfield, you
Speaker 1: can use him as a runner, you can use him
Speaker 1: as a receiver, but there are always gonna be guys
Speaker 1: who are slightly better. But nonetheless, because there is a
Speaker 1: void here, right because everybody's still trying to figure out
Speaker 1: their roles in this offense, it does feel like there's
Speaker 1: an opportunity. Maybe it's one of those things where he
Speaker 1: breaks out early, sort of fades as the season goes along,
Speaker 1: and maybe that's when key On Coleman takes over. But
Speaker 1: right now, I'm I'm starting to buy in a little
Speaker 1: bit on Curtis Samuel. I mean, like, look at a
Speaker 1: DP or blow if he falls. Like, I'm not reaching
Speaker 1: to get Curtis Samuel, but but I have I have
Speaker 1: told myself a story where there is a path to
Speaker 1: him being viable, at least at the first part of
Speaker 1: the season.
Speaker 2: You know, yes, can we please never say if they
Speaker 2: use him like Debo's.
Speaker 1: What it's because I that phrase entered my head and
Speaker 1: I'm like, i am not going to say it out.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say it.
Speaker 2: Say it. I'm like, like, there's one debo that's it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it did cross my mind, and I said, I.
Speaker 4: Can't Walmart version of Debo with Jaydeen Reed. I think
Speaker 4: that dry Land there you go? Is he like great
Speaker 4: value debo, Curtis great value? There you go, great value,
Speaker 4: great value Debo? There it is Oh my god, last
Speaker 4: question about the Bills, lakwan. How much of a threat
Speaker 4: is Ray Davis to James Cook? Oh, man, I does
Speaker 4: you think it's a huge threat man? Just based on
Speaker 4: his college tapes? Man, I mean, the dude had a
Speaker 4: thousand rushing yards at three different D one schools and apparently,
Speaker 4: as perk Kentucky media guy, he's the first college player
Speaker 4: to ever do that. So therefore, this dude is very talented,
Speaker 4: very talented. The dude had seven receiving touchdowns fourteen rushing touchdowns,
Speaker 4: so he knows where the end zone is at. He's
Speaker 4: able to break tackles. He's just just as explosive as
Speaker 4: James Cook. So James Cook better watch out, man. I mean,
Speaker 4: he bet not slip either. He's very close into the
Speaker 4: talent wise where I think, you know, Joe Brady's gonna
Speaker 4: have a ton of fun with him, especially in the
Speaker 4: red zone.
Speaker 1: I mean, by the way, that that is an nil
Speaker 1: transfer portal era stat the whole like thousand yards at
Speaker 1: three Division one, So I mean it really is like
Speaker 1: it's just it's the thing that never the reason it
Speaker 1: never happened before because guys couldn't really transfer that like
Speaker 1: and if you were transferring that many times, you know
Speaker 1: those chances you just weren't getting on the field for.
Speaker 4: The dude ken ball man. He's my RB in my
Speaker 4: rookie rankings behind Jonathan Brooks, and I put him that
Speaker 4: high just him going to the Buffalo Bills and having
Speaker 4: this scoring opportunity, Like the dude head is on a
Speaker 4: swivel in the passing game as well, So it's like
Speaker 4: I could really see him and James Cook splitting that
Speaker 4: role as well.
Speaker 2: And that's the scary I agree one hundred percent, and
Speaker 2: that last year the Bills did not have another like
Speaker 2: they liked Ty Johnson at times for spell like spurts,
Speaker 2: but they did not have a running back. In my opinion,
Speaker 2: that they felt confident like, hey, we could give James
Speaker 2: Cook a drive off, and I think it's possible the
Speaker 2: Bills could rotate like two drives for Cook, one for
Speaker 2: Ray Davis. And because I don't know, if you like,
Speaker 2: last year, James Cook had legitimately like four dropped touchdown passes,
Speaker 2: and from what reporters are saying, he's dropping someone in
Speaker 2: the training camp as well, So that's I also think
Speaker 2: Ray Davis is a threat to take Josh Allen's rushing touchdown,
Speaker 2: not all of them, but some of them, because I
Speaker 2: think that's the role they wanted Damien Harris to play
Speaker 2: last year, and we two his season was over. I
Speaker 2: think they emphasized getting a power back for goal line situations.
Speaker 2: So I'm with you, LQ. I have not taken a
Speaker 2: ton of James Cook, but I have so much Ray Davis.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's the way. I honestly think like his price
Speaker 4: is still cheap. Like the average player right now is
Speaker 4: are looking at James Cook and they're wondering why his
Speaker 4: ADP is kind of low right now, and it's because
Speaker 4: of Ray Davis. So I will honestly not completely fade
Speaker 4: James Cook, but I don't want to pay that price
Speaker 4: where I can just wait and get Ray Davis, because
Speaker 4: if it's playoff time and he's cooking, I honestly see
Speaker 4: Ray Davis making some really good pushes for the playoffs
Speaker 4: for a lot of teams.
Speaker 2: Cook is a very solid floor, but I think Davis
Speaker 2: and Allen's rushing caps the ceiling.
Speaker 4: Caps hit man. It definitely caps it. It's kind of nasty.
Speaker 1: You mentioned like Ray Davis could take some of those
Speaker 1: goal line opportunities.
Speaker 3: I have been waiting for you, and every year I'm like,
Speaker 3: this is gonna be the year.
Speaker 1: The Bills just aren't going to use Josh Allen as
Speaker 1: a goal line back, and like I've been wrong every
Speaker 1: single year. Yeah, it's like standing on the corner and
Speaker 1: shouting the world is ending. Like if I say it enough,
Speaker 1: eventually it's gonna be right. That was their emphasis this
Speaker 1: last preseason. They were like, were no on and then
Speaker 1: he had fifteen He's literally set the franchise record rushing, right,
Speaker 1: but like at some point it's you know, yes, you
Speaker 1: know whatever, it's gonna end.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe maybe.
Speaker 2: Maybe he'll GiB you like six. I don't think he'll
Speaker 2: ever give you less than six.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and that's the floor, six to eight.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like the old Lebron tweets that that surfaced. He's
Speaker 1: thirty years old, this free is.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 1: We are here, we are ten years later, here, still
Speaker 1: years later, it's still happening. All right, let's move Let's
Speaker 1: move on to the Miami Dolphins last year to a
Speaker 1: tongue of iloa two hundred and eighty four point four
Speaker 1: points QB nine or he mostered to sixty seven point seven.
Speaker 1: He was the RB five Tyreek Hill, who started just
Speaker 1: lightning fast and then kind of slowed down. Injuries kind
Speaker 1: of slowed him a little bit late in the season
Speaker 1: three seventy six point four wide receiver two.
Speaker 3: I had to dig a while to find the top
Speaker 3: side end in Miami.
Speaker 1: It was for the record, it was Durham smythe gave
Speaker 1: you maybe seventy one points six points. That was good
Speaker 1: for tight end thirty four. In the offseason, they said
Speaker 1: goodbye to a couple of wide receivers, Robbie Chosen, Chase
Speaker 1: Claypool and Cedric Wilson. They also parted ways with Tyler Croft,
Speaker 1: a tight end. The offseason they went and I signed
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Junior. They also added some tight ends Jody
Speaker 1: Fortson and John new Smith. They spent a fourth round
Speaker 1: pick on Jalen Wright, a sixth round pick on Malik Washington,
Speaker 1: and a seventh round pick on wide receiver Taj Washington.
Speaker 3: No relation at least as far as I know. First
Speaker 3: dolphin off the board TYREEG.
Speaker 1: Hill, going right around the third pick in the first
Speaker 1: round in most drafts. So Floria Stua came out, had
Speaker 1: a really good start to his season. The back half
Speaker 1: of the year was not so great. What is his ceiling?
Speaker 1: He was the QB nine last year.
Speaker 2: Is that his ceiling?
Speaker 3: Can he somehow get better than that?
Speaker 2: No, I think that's his ceiling. He was the QB
Speaker 2: nineteen in fantasy points per game, which blew my mind
Speaker 2: because like he was so good for a while, Like
Speaker 2: he had the most he led the NFL and pass
Speaker 2: attempts inside the five yard line, he had the most
Speaker 2: yards on deep passes, he didn't miss any time. Tyreek
Speaker 2: Hill was on the pace for an MVP season. Jalen
Speaker 2: Wattle was doing his thing, and yet this guy couldn't
Speaker 2: average eighteen fantasy points per game, like to me, because
Speaker 2: he's not going to run at all and we know that,
Speaker 2: So that right there caps the upside. But also in
Speaker 2: the second half of the season he was to QB
Speaker 2: twenty three. And I know, bad weather narratives and stuff
Speaker 2: get tired, but like that's the thing with this guy
Speaker 2: in which this Miami team, Yeah, it's really like you
Speaker 2: saw it. When they go to cold weather cities, they
Speaker 2: do not play well. So I say it a lot.
Speaker 2: I don't want to really want to win in September.
Speaker 2: I want to win in December and January. So that
Speaker 2: to me is I don't really find myself heavily targeting
Speaker 2: to it. But I will say, if you there's a
Speaker 2: right build with him, like if you take Jayden Daniels
Speaker 2: or if you take Caleb Williams, maybe you don't want
Speaker 2: to start those guys right away. You want to see
Speaker 2: it first, someone like Tua in September in that Miami heat. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you want to play him then. So I think that
Speaker 2: is the way if you want to have two on
Speaker 2: your team.
Speaker 3: That is I mean, yeah, have to say.
Speaker 1: I mean Lakwan it is he is he an every
Speaker 1: week startable quarterback, Like he's just the guy you draft,
Speaker 1: you just put him in the lineup and just forget
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 4: Absolutely not. I mean when we look at two, we
Speaker 4: look at a guy like he has all these weapons
Speaker 4: around him. He has the speed demons. That's that's what
Speaker 4: I call the Miami Dolphins offense. The speed demons, like
Speaker 4: the speed Infinity gauntlet that Michael Daniels Mike McDaniels walked
Speaker 4: around with, and it's like, how is this guy not
Speaker 4: putting up like crazy numbers every single week? And the
Speaker 4: last three seasons, this dude only has ten games of
Speaker 4: over twenty plus Fantasy points. It's really nasty, Like he's
Speaker 4: in that range of the Geno Smiths and the Trevor
Speaker 4: Lawrences when it comes to fantasy and it's like, how
Speaker 4: is this possible? You just led the NFL in passing
Speaker 4: yards last season. You're not giving a sending thing on
Speaker 4: the ground. So it's like, we're definitely looking at the
Speaker 4: ceiling where he's a quarterback that gives you fifteen Fantasy
Speaker 4: points per game, Like you're not winning any leaves with
Speaker 4: like that with him as your QB one, Like Florio said,
Speaker 4: you had to build him. If you're gonna take the
Speaker 4: chance on Caleb Williams, if you're gonna go with Jayden Dams,
Speaker 4: even Anthony Richardson who's coming back from injury and you're
Speaker 4: still worried about him, you go ahead and grab a
Speaker 4: security blanket like a Geno Smith or a Tua, Like
Speaker 4: you don't ever draft Tua as your QB one going
Speaker 4: into the season because this dude falls apart and we're
Speaker 4: gonna bring the weather up. I mean, the dude averaged
Speaker 4: thirteen Fantasy points per game in the months of October, November,
Speaker 4: and December. That is bad people, That is terrible. So
Speaker 4: once it gets cold outside in this holiday season and
Speaker 4: you're on a playoff run or you're trying to get
Speaker 4: to the playoffs, you're gonna rely on to a sorry
Speaker 4: to break your heart, You're you're probably not going to
Speaker 4: the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I mean it's wild because I feel like, I feel
Speaker 1: like this time of year ago, we were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: man two was like set up for a big, big season,
Speaker 1: and it felt like it was happening, and then when
Speaker 1: it didn't, So now we're all just kind of like,
Speaker 1: all right, I guess this is who he is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his first four games are in Miami if you
Speaker 2: want to get that warm, and there's a huge advantage
Speaker 2: in Miami that doesn't get talked about enough because the
Speaker 2: visiting players are in that sun the entire game in humidity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the sun. Yeah, now, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 1: I Mean that's what's been interesting between the the Dolphins
Speaker 1: and Bills is you know, like Buffalo having to go
Speaker 1: to Miami early in the season when it's crazy hot,
Speaker 1: and then Miami going back to Buffalo, like you know,
Speaker 1: after Thanksgiving when it's you know, it's buffaloing outside.
Speaker 2: How lost to them one time in the last like
Speaker 2: five years, and it was the game where the game
Speaker 2: winning drive gave Davis and Stefan Diggs are getting ivs
Speaker 2: on the sideline they can't move.
Speaker 3: Like, oh my god, yeah, oh man, that's wild Lukwan.
Speaker 3: Who is the third option in the passing game? And
Speaker 3: do we want that player?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: I mean we know Tyreek Hill, Jalen Waddle, those are
Speaker 1: your one and two.
Speaker 3: Who is number three? Is it anybody that we have
Speaker 3: an interest in drafting?
Speaker 4: So it's funny. I was He's on the plane like
Speaker 4: prepping for the show. I was writing this down and
Speaker 4: like I I joking, like I'm still looking at it,
Speaker 4: like it's in like a little fun I was like
Speaker 4: John new Smith and then I was like, wait, why
Speaker 4: not John Newsmith man? Like this could be fine, Like
Speaker 4: he could be the third option. I really think that
Speaker 4: people are not really looking at John new Smith way
Speaker 4: because he's had a kind of like a journeyman Tennessee
Speaker 4: Falcons and even New England. Like I forgot he was
Speaker 4: on New England, like he was just underutilized. But now
Speaker 4: I feel like he's in a situation where he actually
Speaker 4: has a path to have like some valuable targets. And
Speaker 4: here's why the Dolphins run the third few with three
Speaker 4: wide receiver sets. So therefore you're not selling me on
Speaker 4: Odell Beckham. Like to me, he's just a name. At
Speaker 4: this point, he's on the back in his career. I
Speaker 4: don't see him being a huge threat to defenses anymore.
Speaker 4: Like he'll sporadically be put on the field to do
Speaker 4: this and this and that. But we already know it's
Speaker 4: the one and two. John Newsmith is an interesting person
Speaker 4: to be able to get grabbed up because a lot
Speaker 4: of people would think he would follow Arthur Smith to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4: But how I'm looking at this Dolphins offense. They were
Speaker 4: top five in screen passes, and I bring up the
Speaker 4: screen passes to tight ends because they are trying to
Speaker 4: get something going. Now that you have somebody that can
Speaker 4: execute this, you have somebody like John new Smith. I
Speaker 4: go back to that Vikings games last season. He took
Speaker 4: it to the house. It was like a forty seven
Speaker 4: yard touchdown. This dude is able to get into open
Speaker 4: space yards out there to catch. We know him as
Speaker 4: the yak king when it comes to the tight ends.
Speaker 4: Very explosive. Mike McDaniel. He got the speed demons over there,
Speaker 4: and I think he's going to unlock John new Smith.
Speaker 4: My counterpoint to that is Mike Gasicki, and he didn't
Speaker 4: like him. I mean, but you know an athletic pass
Speaker 4: catching tight end who you know, I look at Gasicky
Speaker 4: sort of admitted that he was essentially a big slot receiver.
Speaker 4: Like when you said I have to learn to play
Speaker 4: tight end, that to me was a huge red flag.
Speaker 4: But you had an athletic pass catching tight end and
Speaker 4: he's still get out third. He had smife out producing him, like,
Speaker 4: he ran more routes. He was on the field a
Speaker 4: lot more than gets that year, and it was just weird.
Speaker 4: It was just like, oh this this isn't gonna work.
Speaker 1: But I mean saying he's not fast, I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess my concern Florio is that, you know, can TUA
Speaker 1: support a third pass catcher when you have to get
Speaker 1: the ball so much to Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle, Like,
Speaker 1: is there just enough for a third guy there?
Speaker 2: If we count the running backs as the third pass
Speaker 2: because they're gonna be heavily involved in the passing game
Speaker 2: as well. But if I am taking anyone here I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna say I'm as bullish as Lakwalan on John
Speaker 2: new Smith because that's the guy. But if I was
Speaker 2: to take a second guy, a third guy there after,
Speaker 2: not including the running backs, it would be Smith because
Speaker 2: as like a late round dart throw, because the bar
Speaker 2: for tight end is so much lower.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And if you look odell is, I hope he has
Speaker 2: fun in Miami. I hope he recreates a picture. I
Speaker 2: think his days of being a Fantasy contributor are are
Speaker 2: long gone. And behind him there's Brax and Burrios and
Speaker 2: then I don't even think the Dolphins super fans would
Speaker 2: be able to name the other receivers on the roster
Speaker 2: right now. It's it's a whole bunch of guys that
Speaker 2: no one's ever heard of.
Speaker 3: Job, so hey man, some respect on river.
Speaker 1: Craycraft's name a yore Craft.
Speaker 2: That's a great name, great name. I wish he was
Speaker 2: good because that name is so much fun. But I agree.
Speaker 2: I think Mike McDaniel cares about one thing and its speed,
Speaker 2: and John new Smith is one of the fastest tight
Speaker 2: ends in the NFL, so I'll take a shot on him.
Speaker 2: But again that if any if he hits this year,
Speaker 2: no one was higher on him than LaQuan.
Speaker 4: If he hit them, I'll dye my hair blonde. Man,
Speaker 4: I'm going straight burrow up, Hi, Marcus, we got to
Speaker 4: hold him to that.
Speaker 2: Sorry?
Speaker 3: What what?
Speaker 1: What is the threshold? What does John new Smith have
Speaker 1: to it for you to top five? Oh?
Speaker 2: That's setting it high. That's top five, top five? What
Speaker 2: if he's top ten? Would you?
Speaker 4: I still I probably would do something, but I'm not
Speaker 4: doing my hair blonde for top ten.
Speaker 2: It got it got a hit like big shave your
Speaker 2: head top ten? Has he ever done that? Let's see,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if he has.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to see where he peaked at. He never
Speaker 4: really got in the chants though.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I so how about this.
Speaker 1: If he's top ten, you shave your head because it'll
Speaker 1: it'll it'll grow back though, because you're fine.
Speaker 3: If he's not five, you die of.
Speaker 4: Blonde, going blond baby, right?
Speaker 3: Right? He was number ten in twenty twenty. He was,
Speaker 3: he was the tight end that.
Speaker 2: Nine or better blonde.
Speaker 4: This might actually happen now.
Speaker 3: We were doing us.
Speaker 1: If he is not, if he goes nine or better
Speaker 1: than than the year career year.
Speaker 4: All right, ship it, let's do it.
Speaker 2: Uh, you gotta remember because I probably won't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, none of us will remember this.
Speaker 1: Maybe one of the hopefully one of the listeners out
Speaker 1: there will tweet us and remind us about this after
Speaker 1: through the year.
Speaker 3: Florial.
Speaker 1: How much of a flying the ointment is Jalen Wright
Speaker 1: in that backfield?
Speaker 2: Does that? I mean, like, how annoying is he?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Basically like how how much of a read too?
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm thinking a bug like annoying?
Speaker 1: Yeah, He's just like how annoying? How annoying is he
Speaker 1: potentially going to be? Because like, I don't think he's
Speaker 1: going to have enough to have a standalone role, Like
Speaker 1: he's gonna be really frustrating to try to have a
Speaker 1: standalone player. But I just think he's gonna do enough
Speaker 1: that makes us really upset about a Chan and Moster
Speaker 1: at I.
Speaker 2: Don't I don't think he's gonna have a I think
Speaker 2: he'll get maybe a handful at most. When you have
Speaker 2: those two guys and a Chan and most Aret, I
Speaker 2: still think they're gonna get like ninety percent of the
Speaker 2: work every week. And what I've been viewing right as
Speaker 2: is one I think he's a long like they know
Speaker 2: Raheem Mostert as soon as potentially this year, because fallofs
Speaker 2: for running backs happen overnight, so I think, and most aret,
Speaker 2: I know he stayed mostly healthy last year but has
Speaker 2: a history of missing time a chan struggled to stay
Speaker 2: on the field and when one when those guys were out,
Speaker 2: the lineup didn't look the same because they lost that
Speaker 2: speed at the running back position. So I think McDaniel
Speaker 2: was like, look, we need another burner in case these
Speaker 2: guys miss time and to be the long term replacement
Speaker 2: for Raheem Mostert. So I think he'll get some He'll
Speaker 2: dabble and get some work. But I also wouldn't be
Speaker 2: surprised if, like, he's a healthy scratch most weeks unless
Speaker 2: those guys miss time, because to be a third string
Speaker 2: running back you need to be able to contribute in
Speaker 2: other ways as well. And apparently he's super low on
Speaker 2: the depth chart right now. I don't buy into that
Speaker 2: at all, but I think he is, like if you're
Speaker 2: doing best ball draft, still where he's going. He is
Speaker 2: a good dart throw because the floor is legitimately zero,
Speaker 2: but the ceiling is so high.
Speaker 1: I mean, are you are you throwing darts at Jalen
Speaker 1: right Luquan Bestball drafts?
Speaker 4: Yeah, all summer I've kind of been like, you know,
Speaker 4: just picking him up late in draft where hes gone.
Speaker 4: But in redraft, it's always gonna come down to like
Speaker 4: how large is your bench, Like if you're at the six,
Speaker 4: seven or even eight bench spot, I don't know if
Speaker 4: I can add him in the late rounds because at
Speaker 4: that point I'm still trying to get the good value
Speaker 4: on some of the wide receivers. But I really feel
Speaker 4: as though, like how Florio said, like you're gonna be
Speaker 4: picking him up just banking on, like I guess injuries
Speaker 4: that are probably gonna happen ahead of him because he
Speaker 4: does have two running backs that have like a lengthy
Speaker 4: injury history so far. So it's like, I really feel
Speaker 4: as though you're just gonna be holding your breath, you know,
Speaker 4: at some point of the season where he will start
Speaker 4: getting more involved just based off of an injury. But
Speaker 4: he's definitely a guy, underrated, underrated tool in fantasy. He's
Speaker 4: a watch list Like if something pops up, you get
Speaker 4: the notification, go straight to your watch list is right there.
Speaker 4: Put the waiver wire claim in for it's just.
Speaker 2: One those guys make shut The team that drafts him
Speaker 2: will cut him before.
Speaker 4: He hits exactly exactly, So just keep an eye on
Speaker 4: him all season because he's he's like, I don't want
Speaker 4: to undersell him, like he's getting buried in the depth chart.
Speaker 4: The dude's very talented, like he was able to produce,
Speaker 4: you know, high yards per carry behind a mid tier
Speaker 4: type of old line in Tennessee. So it's like one
Speaker 4: of those things where he's a producer, Like he gets
Speaker 4: the opportunity. I know he'll be with the show up
Speaker 4: for show out. It's just that you just have some
Speaker 4: bodies ahead of you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think it's the talent thing with Jalen, right,
Speaker 1: I think it's a situation thing. He's just he's just
Speaker 1: in a very very crowded he's more always speaking the future,
Speaker 1: speaking of the Dolphins and Odell Beckham.
Speaker 3: Thiss just popped up on my timeline.
Speaker 1: He's remain He's expected to remain on the pup list
Speaker 1: this week, so basically nothing has changed.
Speaker 3: He's on the publish current.
Speaker 4: Collecting checks at this point, just ques checks and getting
Speaker 4: vibes man La Miami like this dude's chilling.
Speaker 3: Do your thing for sure.
Speaker 1: All Right, we're halfway through the AFC. Take a break,
Speaker 1: come back at you the last two teams. Next on
Speaker 1: the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, take gonna look at the
Speaker 1: New England Patriots. Last year, their top quarterback was Mac
Speaker 1: Jones one hundred and eighteen point three points QB thirty.
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott was actually their top scoring running back as
Speaker 1: the Ramondre Stevenson was dealing with injury issues. There one
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy four and a half points for Zeke
Speaker 1: AREB thirty to Mario Douglas the wide receiver sixty four
Speaker 1: overall one hundred and seven point two points Hunter Henry,
Speaker 1: which your tight end nineteen one hundred and nineteen point
Speaker 1: nine there. In the offseason, they moved on from Mac
Speaker 1: Jones and Ezekiel Elliott Devonte Parker retired. They also moved
Speaker 1: on from Pharaoh Brown and Mike Gaesicki at tight end.
Speaker 1: They did go out and bring back Jacoby Brissett. They
Speaker 1: also signed Antonio Gibson, kJ Osborne Austin Hooper now calls
Speaker 1: New England home, as well as tight end Mitchell Wilcox.
Speaker 1: They spent the third overall pick on Drake May, second
Speaker 1: round pick on Jalen Polk, fourth round pick on Javon Baker.
Speaker 1: They did draft a second quarterback that was Joe Milton
Speaker 1: in the sixth and a tity and Jahen Bell in
Speaker 1: the seventh. First Patriot off the board, Lemandre Stevenson, but
Speaker 1: not until round six. So Florio, we've talked about We've
Speaker 1: talked plenty about Jalen Polk, We've talked plenty about Javon
Speaker 1: Baker because we like the shiny new things.
Speaker 3: But are we overlooking some of these guys?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: The Mario Douglas made some plays. Kendrick Bourne is a
Speaker 1: veteran who's been around this league. Are we over looking
Speaker 1: a lot of the other guys in that room?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I'm I'm sad. I'm not giving up on Javon Baker,
Speaker 2: but I do need to stop drafting him as much.
Speaker 2: Because they used five wide receivers before he entered the
Speaker 2: game the other day. It was on the fourth drive
Speaker 2: when Bailey Zappi was out there. You know who was
Speaker 2: the water. Kendrick Bourne was hurt. But kJ Osborne they
Speaker 2: were like, don't dress he might be the wide receiver
Speaker 2: one to start the year and it's gross. But this
Speaker 2: is a team where if I'm taking I don't want
Speaker 2: no offense to him. I don't want kJ Osborne. We
Speaker 2: know what he is and in an offense like this,
Speaker 2: he's not gonna produce for fantasy. So that is why
Speaker 2: I'm chasing the shiny new toys, because we know what
Speaker 2: these other guys are at this point, Uh Douglas. I
Speaker 2: could see the hype around Douglas, but I still think
Speaker 2: Jalen Polk. He played well the other day when he
Speaker 2: got to come in. He was out there with Drake
Speaker 2: may and and made some really nice catches. So I
Speaker 2: might I have I already have a ton of Javon Baker.
Speaker 2: I think in the drafts I still have. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: definitely try to get some Jalen Polk just to cover
Speaker 2: both bases there.
Speaker 1: I mean, Lakwan, this feels like one of those situations
Speaker 1: where the training camp videos actually sort of means something.
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of Jalen Polk training camp beatles.
Speaker 1: This one actually feels like there's some legs to this.
Speaker 4: Now, there's definitely some legs. He's definitely gonna be a
Speaker 4: contributor for that offense because I was just looking on
Speaker 4: the timeline, like reading the b writers thing, Like you
Speaker 4: see all positive reports about Jalen Polk and I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 4: well that's great. You know, that's one of the more
Speaker 4: refreshing things coming from this boring Patriots offense compared to
Speaker 4: last year. But I think we are overlooking some of
Speaker 4: these wide receivers. And the great thing about it is
Speaker 4: you're not paying a hefty price for any of them,
Speaker 4: Like you're gonna be getting one of these guys if
Speaker 4: it's Pop Douglas to Mario Douglas or if it's Jalen
Speaker 4: Polk or Jayvon Baker, like you're not paying a hefty
Speaker 4: price to where the expectations you should be bringing these
Speaker 4: guys in and taking all that positive news that they're getting,
Speaker 4: you know, through camp, and they're gonna honestly be guys
Speaker 4: that you're gonna have a rotation kind of for by it,
Speaker 4: like bye weeks and like guys that are banged up
Speaker 4: and you take them out, they're gonna be flex guys.
Speaker 4: So you're not paying a hefty price for any of
Speaker 4: these guys. So I'm taking a ton of shots on
Speaker 4: Javon Baker I'm taking shots on obviously, to Mario Douglas,
Speaker 4: that's my main guy that I love being at how
Speaker 4: explosive and creative that he can get, you know. So
Speaker 4: it's one of those things like don't be afraid to
Speaker 4: take a new Land Patriots wide receiver in drafts this year.
Speaker 1: Well, I think just because the ADP is nice, right,
Speaker 1: like you're not investing a whole lot, and so you know,
Speaker 1: I've drafted Polk, I've drafted Baker.
Speaker 3: You know. It goes back to the we know what
Speaker 3: some of these other guys are.
Speaker 1: And to your point, Florio, I mean, I think for
Speaker 1: for a guy like kJ Osborne, it's a floor play,
Speaker 1: right because the ceiling is not gonna be especially high,
Speaker 1: especially in that offense, regardless of who it is, right,
Speaker 1: whether it's whether it's Jacobi Brissett, whether it's Drake May,
Speaker 1: They're just the ceiling is not gonna be very high
Speaker 1: for any of those guys.
Speaker 2: And all of these guys are purely like later around.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, uh, Florida.
Speaker 1: Is there any value in drafting Antonio Gibson in this offense?
Speaker 2: I think so. So I'm I'm in the middle of
Speaker 2: writing my I I do it every year where I
Speaker 2: write about new play callers and and who could benefit
Speaker 2: or get hurt from them. And Alex Van Pelt has
Speaker 2: only called plays one time, it was two thousand and
Speaker 2: nine with the Bills, but he has been in Cleveland
Speaker 2: now for the last four seasons. What do all five
Speaker 2: of those years have in common? They heavily used two
Speaker 2: running backs, and I think we could see more of that.
Speaker 2: Plus like last year when Ramondre Stevenson missed time, Zeke
Speaker 2: Elliott was awesome. Like, I know, the efficiency wasn't great,
Speaker 2: but he was getting so much volume as the only
Speaker 2: back out there that like, he helped win me a
Speaker 2: championship and I played him every single week that Ramondre
Speaker 2: Stevenson was out. So I think Gibson, Look, I'm not
Speaker 2: saying he's gonna be like a weekly RB two, but
Speaker 2: he doesn't get drafted as that. He gets drafted a
Speaker 2: bench running back. And I do think it's possible where
Speaker 2: he could be like Kareem Hunt was for the Browns,
Speaker 2: where where he's coming in on some passing downs, he's
Speaker 2: coming into spell uh Stevenson give him a break at times,
Speaker 2: and then if anything happens, we know that this guy
Speaker 2: can handle a backfield to himself and and put up
Speaker 2: some numbers. So he's someone that in the last couple
Speaker 2: of weeks I have found myself when I'm in the
Speaker 2: like RB forties range, I've taken some shots on him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Lakwan is he will he finally be
Speaker 1: the pass catcher that we wanted him to be in Washington.
Speaker 4: No, but obviously you have a Rodre Stevenson there. But
Speaker 4: I just feel like it's it's a good thing that
Speaker 4: he's going to be heavily involved in the passion game
Speaker 4: where this is actually a hit to Ramondre Stevenson. I've
Speaker 4: been fading him since Best Ball drafts have been able
Speaker 4: to get open, and definitely in redrafts, I'm not interested.
Speaker 4: Even though his ADP is not high, it's not bad,
Speaker 4: but I just feel like it's a trap if you're
Speaker 4: looking for an RB two in these p prir leagues,
Speaker 4: because like Florio said, Fred Jackson and nine, like I mean,
Speaker 4: he had forty six catches. And when you look at
Speaker 4: Alex fan Pout's history as an offensive coordinator, even though
Speaker 4: he wasn't calling plays, he still has some influence in
Speaker 4: how that offense is ran. With these running backs, not
Speaker 4: one of them had over forty six receptions in the
Speaker 4: entire time in the year since nine under alex Man Pelp.
Speaker 4: So those are one of the things where like we
Speaker 4: love Ramandre Stevenson for the guy that had eighty eight
Speaker 4: targets sixty nine catches, you know, two seasons ago. But
Speaker 4: it's like if you take away that and you just
Speaker 4: make him a pure runner and then you have somebody
Speaker 4: like Antonio Gibson behind him, who's the better pass catcher,
Speaker 4: it kind of seems like nasty work here where it's
Speaker 4: like Antonio Gibson might be that little what is the
Speaker 4: fly on the ointment ointment. Yeah, it might be one
Speaker 4: of those situations here where I think Gibson might find
Speaker 4: some days where he's putting up ten twelve Fantasy points
Speaker 4: on a random week and you're like, maybe I should
Speaker 4: get this guy into rotation. So Florio sets ignoring. Yeah,
Speaker 4: very annoying. So if like you're a late in the draft,
Speaker 4: take your shot Antonio Gibson, I would gladly have him
Speaker 4: on my bench.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have running back catch stat by the way, there.
Speaker 3: You go, there you go. Jerome Ford is close.
Speaker 1: He had forty four that seems annoying just because you're
Speaker 1: talking about like, yeah, he'll give you send to twelve points,
Speaker 1: and like that's enough for you to make think maybe
Speaker 1: I'll pick him up, but like it's never enough for
Speaker 1: you to be like, yeah, I'm gonna put him in
Speaker 1: the lineup right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you see, if you see your projection and it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, ten point seven, you're like, uh, is that
Speaker 1: somewhere else?
Speaker 4: I've been down bad with running back and Drees. I mean,
Speaker 4: so sometimes those ten points are a blessing.
Speaker 2: He's the kind of backup I like though, because we
Speaker 2: know if something happens to the starter, this guy's getting
Speaker 2: all the work.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be Zeke all over again. And like Stevenson,
Speaker 4: I love him, I want him to stay healthy. It's
Speaker 4: just that with these changes and now they have talented
Speaker 4: wide receivers to lean on him as the pass catcher
Speaker 4: is not that high of the priority now when you
Speaker 4: have young talents like Javon Baker and Jalen Polk and
Speaker 4: Damario Douglas, and you still have Kendrick Bourn who's been
Speaker 4: very productive when healthy. So it's like Stevenson's not going
Speaker 4: to be utilized as much as we will want him
Speaker 4: to be utilized in that passing game, Uh, Hunter, Henry anyone.
Speaker 2: So when I read this question, Marcus, you know the
Speaker 2: gift of I think it's like one of the Muppets
Speaker 2: or something like that is on stage, just like looking
Speaker 2: side to side, right, I pictured you doing that as
Speaker 2: you ask.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like in terms of like overall fantasy
Speaker 1: like it's just not great, but in terms of what
Speaker 1: the Patriots do on offense, like he ends up having
Speaker 1: a decent sized roles, or at least he has in
Speaker 1: the past.
Speaker 3: But is that enough for you to take the shot
Speaker 3: on him in drafts?
Speaker 2: No, Jonath Smith, give me Smith, let's go.
Speaker 4: No, I mean I think co teammates and it just
Speaker 4: didn't work out. But yeah, I'm out too.
Speaker 3: All right, let's go to the Jets. Wrap this thing up.
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson was their top scoring quarterback last year, not
Speaker 1: because they wanted him to, but because they had to
Speaker 1: have him. One hundred and twenty six point eight points
Speaker 1: QB twenty nine, which means he was slightly better than
Speaker 1: Mac Jones running back Breese Hall two hundred and ninety
Speaker 1: and a half points.
Speaker 3: That was RB two.
Speaker 1: It was also about one hundred points behind Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 1: Last year, Garrett Wilson was your top wide receiver two
Speaker 1: hundred and thirteen point two points. Wide receiver twenty six
Speaker 1: had over one thousand yards, but on a team that
Speaker 1: did not score a lot.
Speaker 3: He had just two touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Tyler Conklin was the top tight end in New York
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty three point one points. He was
Speaker 1: tightened eighteen so offseason they pretty much lookdidated a lot
Speaker 1: of their quarterbacks. Brett Rippon, Trevor Simeon, Zach Wilson all gone,
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb gone, Corey Davis. They said goodbye to cj
Speaker 1: Uzama also out in free agency, though they brought in
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor to try and get somebody that they could
Speaker 1: be leave in as a backup in case the worst
Speaker 1: case scenario happens. They also signed wide receiver Mike Williams.
Speaker 1: They drafted Malachai Corley in the third round. They drafted
Speaker 1: running back Braylan Allen in the fourth round. They did
Speaker 1: draft a quarterback, Jordan Travis, in the fifth and a
Speaker 1: running back Isaiah Davis also in the fifth. First jet
Speaker 1: off the board, Breeze Hall right about the fourth pick
Speaker 1: or so in most drafts. So lakwan, can Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: coming up on age forty off a bat Achilles injury?
Speaker 1: Can he be a quarterback one again?
Speaker 4: It's ultimately gonna come down to that jets O line,
Speaker 4: Like I want to say no, just based on the
Speaker 4: Achilles injury in the age, and like, we don't know
Speaker 4: if it's gonna be the Aaron Rodgers that we know
Speaker 4: and love, that used to wear the green day Packers
Speaker 4: helmet where he's able to roll out of the pocket
Speaker 4: make the great plays and extend the plays. I don't
Speaker 4: know if we're gonna get that Aaron Rodgers that we
Speaker 4: know and love, because I don't really see him being,
Speaker 4: you know, as mobile in the pocket and like as
Speaker 4: aware of what's going on with this old line. Like
Speaker 4: I still have my questions with this old line about
Speaker 4: protecting him so he can be back there to cook.
Speaker 4: So it's like it's gonna come down to the Malachai
Speaker 4: corl As. It's gonna come come down the Breis Hall
Speaker 4: to kind of bail him out. So I don't think
Speaker 4: we're gonna get to Aaron Rodgers that's gonna be able
Speaker 4: to air the ball all out and stretch the field
Speaker 4: and extend the plays like the times that he had
Speaker 4: with Davante Adams, like Garrett Wilson is a amazing time.
Speaker 4: He's a top five wide receiver. And it's like, I
Speaker 4: don't know if that's enough being that we're on the
Speaker 4: back end of Aaron Rodgers's age, because it's like he
Speaker 4: might get you like sixteen seventy seventeen Fantasy points per
Speaker 4: game by the end of the next season if he
Speaker 4: says healthy, but like that's the ceiling, whereas like, I
Speaker 4: don't even know, man, there's just so many questions marks
Speaker 4: going on.
Speaker 1: I mean out yeah, I mean, I know, a couple
Speaker 1: years ago, right, you had him, But two years ago,
Speaker 1: I know you had him ranked as like QB thirteen
Speaker 1: or fourteen. He finishes like QB twelve or thirteen, like
Speaker 1: pretty close to what you had him ranked that which,
Speaker 1: by the way, Good Morning Football from that.
Speaker 2: Year it was thirteen and that's where he finished.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they owe you an apology because they mocked you.
Speaker 1: They they openly mocked you on air.
Speaker 4: They hate fantasy. I don't know why he was coming.
Speaker 2: Off of back to back MVPs.
Speaker 3: I get it, but you were the bold call. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but you were. You were absolutely right.
Speaker 1: But it feels like though we are also sort of
Speaker 1: drafting Garrett Wilson at his ceiling on the assumption that
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is going to be something close to the
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers of the past. Like it feels like we
Speaker 1: are we are potentially setting ourselves up for failure, right,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: What it is?
Speaker 4: It's like names still sell, Like the name is still
Speaker 4: selling for the casual players, Like, no, Aaron Rodgers is
Speaker 4: the best quarterback all time. Yes, but let's talk about
Speaker 4: this season at this age, with this situation. Like I
Speaker 4: would never take Garrett Wilson on the back end of
Speaker 4: that first round only for the simple fact is that
Speaker 4: I know he's gonna see targets, but I don't know
Speaker 4: if we're gonna be getting the Garrett Wilson that we're paying,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's why I go back and forth. I might,
Speaker 2: I might settle on having Marvin Harrison over him. I
Speaker 2: go back and forth on that, But I don't have
Speaker 2: a ton of Garrett Wilson because I'm very afraid of
Speaker 2: Aaron rod We've talked about it a lot on this show.
Speaker 2: Dan Marino is the only notable quarterback to come back
Speaker 2: from an achilles injury in the last thirty years, and
Speaker 2: he was thirty three years old. And if you want
Speaker 2: to say, well, medical stuff has advanced a whole lot, sure,
Speaker 2: but that doesn't change the fact that an NFL history history,
Speaker 2: there's three quarterbacks Tom Brady, Drew Brees, one year of
Speaker 2: Brett Farr who averaged more than fifteen Fantasy points per
Speaker 2: game at age forty or beyond. This guy is approaching
Speaker 2: forty one years old. The last time we saw him
Speaker 2: play was his worst season in his career. He's a
Speaker 2: year removed from the game right now. It is Look,
Speaker 2: I know he's Aaron Rodgers, He's an all time legend.
Speaker 2: He's saying all the right things. He's saying he's back
Speaker 2: everything time is undefeated. And when you now have two
Speaker 2: injuries in a row and stuff like that, it's worrisome
Speaker 2: to me. It's really scary. And I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 2: if if Rogers is I don't think he's toast, but
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if he looks a lot more
Speaker 2: like he did his final year in the Packers than
Speaker 2: he did. Plus two lqs point man. Not only did
Speaker 2: he have DeVante Adams, but when we think of Aaron,
Speaker 2: we think of him moving, like manipulating the pocket and
Speaker 2: hanging with the ball, finding someone and firing downfield. The
Speaker 2: Jets are not going to let him do that, in
Speaker 2: my opinion, behind this whole line coming off of that injury, No.
Speaker 3: I mean it was it was sort of that. It
Speaker 3: was those rollouts, right.
Speaker 1: He ended his season on a rollout where he tore
Speaker 1: his achilles on a play that he later said he
Speaker 1: didn't really feel comfortable running.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and they called it three times in
Speaker 2: four plays. I believe there you go. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: get a different version of Aaron Rodgers. Ladies and gentlemen
Speaker 2: like yeah, man, I don't see it.
Speaker 1: All right, So I know Florio's answer to this. I'm
Speaker 1: I ask you lakwan. Mike Williams of Malacho Corley, ooh.
Speaker 4: Give me Corley man. I am a big Williams guy
Speaker 4: where I'm like he is always going to be like
Speaker 4: the dude does not know how to lay out for
Speaker 4: a ball without like every single catch looks like it hurts,
Speaker 4: Like what are we doing here? Like this is why
Speaker 4: you're injured? All the time, like the hard knocks with
Speaker 4: the chargers, and I'm watching him during practice laying all
Speaker 4: the way out shoulder and dude, you have to learn
Speaker 4: how to protect yourself like that used to be Debo,
Speaker 4: Like Deebo would be going straight full speed into like
Speaker 4: linebackers show down and then he's hurt, like Mike Williams
Speaker 4: has yet to learn how to be a safe wide receiver.
Speaker 4: So availability is your best ability. So give me the
Speaker 4: young kid malakor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which by the way, I think they were. That
Speaker 1: was the thing about him. Oh you're gonna use hm
Speaker 1: any Debot type role, or he can be a Debo
Speaker 1: type player, like I don't Again, I'm not buying into that,
Speaker 1: but not Debo.
Speaker 2: But I think because of the Aaron Rodgers injury, they're
Speaker 2: not gonna want him to hold the ball very long,
Speaker 2: which means you're gonna generate quick touches with yak and
Speaker 2: Malakai Corley. Plus Corley's playing in the slot, so that
Speaker 2: that leads to a lot of quick targets as well.
Speaker 2: The only concern I have is he only played in
Speaker 2: three wide receiver sets this past week, and and if
Speaker 2: he's doing that, that caps the upside.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to watch the next couple of weeks see sort
Speaker 1: of what happens there last one? Uh, Tyler Conklin, anyone?
Speaker 1: I feel like this is more viable. This is this
Speaker 1: more viable than than Hunter Henry Nay.
Speaker 4: I can get on board this as a tight end
Speaker 4: two very sneaky though, But no, I'm out really.
Speaker 3: Oh see.
Speaker 1: I think if there's, if there's any tight end that
Speaker 1: suddenly comes out of nowhere and makes the leap, I
Speaker 1: think it's Tyler Conklin.
Speaker 4: Geez man, I do crackers.
Speaker 1: I mean again, but this goes back to the like
Speaker 1: which Aaron Rodgers. Are we getting right?
Speaker 3: But Aaron rod remember Aaron Rodgers made Robert Sunyan a
Speaker 3: thing right. Robert was in our lives for a long
Speaker 3: time because it's the.
Speaker 2: Tight end that caught the hailman, that one that we
Speaker 2: all Richard Rodgers, was it?
Speaker 3: Yes, Aaron.
Speaker 2: Wow, Rogers sustained tight ends. Uh he needs I mean, look, Mike,
Speaker 2: what the Jets receivers are. As much as I'm like
Speaker 2: hype for Corley, they're very thing behind Garrett Wilson, depending
Speaker 2: on what Mike Williams can get back to you. And
Speaker 2: here's a fun stat for you three years in a
Speaker 2: row with eighty seven exactly eighty seven targets for Tyler Conklin.
Speaker 2: Like he gets a couple more touchdowns, he could be
Speaker 2: he could be a thing. To me. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: get him, but I'm like, I put him in like
Speaker 2: with with Isaiah Likely and as like tight end, two
Speaker 2: targets that I like because of their upside. John new
Speaker 2: Smith belongs in that group. Let's go.
Speaker 4: You know that's three times you got him on the show.
Speaker 4: Let's go.
Speaker 1: Yeah man, it might be more of your hairs blonde,
Speaker 1: Yeah man. All I want to say is last year Tyler,
Speaker 1: and look I get it Tyler. Kyle Pitts was sort
Speaker 1: of frustrating. But Tyler Conklin had more catches, thank Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 1: He only had about forty fewer yards than Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 1: He didn't score any touchdowns, but the numbers were on par, right,
Speaker 1: numbers were on par He gets better quarterback play, the
Speaker 1: receptions can go up, the yards can go up, and
Speaker 1: maybe he finds his way into the end zone. There
Speaker 1: is very much a a version of the multiverse where Tyler,
Speaker 1: yeah man.
Speaker 2: A research bag man. If you do a bunch of drafts,
Speaker 2: get like two shares of Conklin with John who one
Speaker 2: of likely something like that.
Speaker 1: You dig into next gen stats and you let us
Speaker 1: know what you find, right, all right? You go on
Speaker 1: GMFB and you tell you tell Peter Schrager and Kyle
Speaker 1: Brandt that like, this is this is happening.
Speaker 3: This is the guy.
Speaker 4: This is happening this year?
Speaker 3: Ye all right?
Speaker 1: Immaculate vibes over Tyler Conklin's a good place to end
Speaker 1: this podcast today. We'll be back with you on Wednesday
Speaker 1: for another edition of the Pods. We will talk about
Speaker 1: the NFC East and as how we will finish out
Speaker 1: our team previews, so probably maybe hopefully look him to
Speaker 1: the preseason games coming up for the weekend as well
Speaker 1: to kind of give you a look ahead at some
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