WEBVTT - Ep. 562: A Wyoming Grizzly Attack 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.320 This is the Meat Eater Podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:17.640 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:19.280 You can't predict anything. 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:22.800 The Meat Eater Podcast is brought to you by First Light. 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:26.079 Whether you're checking trail cams, hanging deer stands, or scouting 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:29.560 for el, First Light has performance apparel to support every 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:32.440 hunter in every environment. Check it out at first light 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:35.680 dot com. F I R S T L I t 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:42.040 E dot com. Join Today by Shane Burke, fresh off 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:43.160 a Grizzly bear mauling. 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:47.280 Hey, Steve, thanks for having me. 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:52.320 Here. I'm joking. I'm not joking. 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:54.640 He Shane Burke is here fresh off of Grizzly bear 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:59.000 malling don a Wyholming, joined h by his wife Chloe. 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:00.760 Hello, thanks for having me. 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:03.960 You're an EMT. Yes, where do you eat? Where do 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:05.200 you e m T at? Chloe? 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:09.600 Well, so I'm currently non affiliated, So let. 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:13.000 Me your job hunting, dude. If your job hunting, I 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:14.440 would pitch now hard. 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:18.520 I know right now I'm currently working. 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:22.399 As a licensed CMT working as a medical assistant. 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:26.640 But I used to work in Springfield, Massachusetts. 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:27.720 So you're not job hunting right now. 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:28.720 Not currently. 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:30.600 She's a nursing school right now. 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:33.280 So, oh, so you're gonna move out of the E 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:34.280 m T business. 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:39.800 Yeah, yeah, but you were helpful in this whole mauling situation. 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:41.560 I'm sure we'll get into the details. But if I 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:43.080 was gonna get mauled by a grizzy bear, I don't 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:44.120 want to EMT nearby. 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:46.560 Yeah, I mean, I don't know. 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:49.520 It's kind of funny because I'm always joking with friends 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:50.520 and stuff because people are. 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:52.680 Like, oh, like, don't worry clothing EMT. I'm like, I 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:53.960 really can't do that much. 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:56.520 Don't make me work while I'm on vacation, Like I'm 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:58.600 going to offer you an ice pack or you know. 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:04.120 Shane was Shane was attacked by a baron May And 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:08.640 we're gonna we're gonna go through that whole harrowing story. 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:12.520 But first I got up, Uh, tell these guys about 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:13.320 something real quick. 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:16.519 We have You know my kid's been selling pigeons. 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:20.320 Do you know how your kid's been spelling pigeon? 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:23.080 Yeah? 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:23.520 How do you know? 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:24.639 He spells it with the J. 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:26.520 I always do that text. 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:28.000 I got that text. 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:32.120 You know, it's it's like the Hawaiian language pigeon, Like. 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:35.919 He spells around he's a bright kid. 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:43.400 Yeah, one day he was for some reason or another. 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:44.320 I think I talked about this. 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:48.120 He started to spell America wrong, and I'm like, you 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:56.239 better stop. 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:55.320 And come back to me and spell your country properly. 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:56.160 You know. 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:59.120 Yeah, there's no k in there? 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:00.919 Was it? 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:02.040 Really? I don't know? 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:06.600 Yeah, he spells pigeon round. But uh so they got 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:08.440 they get a nice little We did it. We did 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:11.440 a night rate on what the hell days right now? 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:16.120 We had a night rate on Saturday night, and. 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:20.440 They wound up with three hundred and some dollars for 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:21.079 the pigeons. 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:25.280 Cool sold them all the next morning, and then they 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:28.440 kept Now we have baby pets. 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:33.079 So it has he come to the logical conclusion of like, 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:35.720 why burn the gas trapping these things? 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:40.280 No pets, dude, Like the neighbor girl kept one and 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:42.560 my kids kept two. And now they got these pigeons 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:45.080 that you got to hand feed them. We took yesterday, 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:48.680 we took sunflower seed and a couple of cheerios and 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:52.320 ran it through a coffee mill and mixed water in 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:57.520 it to make a paste and all kind of other 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:03.880 little things. And they've been there feeding them with hyrop. 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:04.680 This is how Mike Tyson got started. 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:07.800 Well, I know, and yeah, does your h my wife, 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:10.200 my wife so unhappy? 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:13.080 Does your h o A allow livestock operations? 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:20.240 My wife god's reading about like she's reading something that 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:25.640 said that pigeons have more have more affiliated passages. 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:32.719 Than you should showed. Uh, your your your boy and 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:40.800 his cruise. Uh oh gosh, their money making side, those 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:44.240 articles on racing pigeons, the value that racing pigeons bring in, 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:47.240 and then he can start training them to race, and 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:48.760 if he comes up and a win with a winner, 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.880 that'll be more money than his pigeon trapping business has 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:54.320 ever brought in, hands down. 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:58.440 Yeah, you could train them to be like Judas pigeons, 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:00.000 just bring them to you. 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.320 Yeah, when I've raised I don't want to spend too 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:04.440 much time on us. When I've raised pigeons in the past, 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:07.200 here's a weird thing that would happen. You eventually lose 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:10.880 them because they move in with regular pigeons. Like I 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:14.400 had a cage for like a little roost basically a 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:18.600 chicken coop for the pigeons, and you'd start to see 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:22.720 regular pigeons hanging around, being like. 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:23.839 What's gotten into you? Guys? 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.480 You know what I mean, Like they'll hang around they 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:31.840 and then pretty soon the your pigeons will move in 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:35.120 with the regular pigeons. And the town where I was 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:37.320 doing is didn't have a didn't have a lot of 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:40.279 regular pigeon hangouts. And I put red zip ties on 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:42.720 mine and you could go down there and now then 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:46.039 you'd see one of your old pigeons hanging out with 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:48.280 the town pigeons. They they got to be to hang 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:51.599 out with the town crew. 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:56.159 They fall in with the downtown hang out late. 0:05:56.839 --> 0:06:00.560 That's pretty cool, though they go faral so quick, you know, yeah, 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:02.760 you know you're there kind of dependent on you for 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:03.360 a long time. 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:05.720 Well they need to, because they were reading about how 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:09.560 they can live seventeen years in the wild and seventeen years. 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:12.280 And not in the wild in captivity. Yeah, and this 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:14.960 is not Yeah, it's not seventeen years. 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:15.599 It's not allowed. 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:20.800 This it's not your retirement programor outdoor at your house. 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:21.919 They're not allowed in the house. 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:25.200 There's a space heat around. 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:34.039 So I actually, uh banned peregrine falcons every year on 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:36.360 this the first year I'll miss because of the bear attack. 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:42.800 But uh, lots and lots of bands pigeon bands on talents. 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:45.640 Oh yeah, yeah, where were you banned? 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:50.080 So I'm it's actually interesting because I was listening to 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.480 an episode of organas brought up rock climbers. So we're 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:56.760 rock climbers and you mentioned how the impact of on 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:59.839 that we have on resting sites. 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:00.560 That was. 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:05.440 Okay, well I'll point out and Cal's defense he was 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:06.560 making h I know. 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:09.880 At first I was like he was making it like 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:14.320 for instance, yes, yes and no, but also bodies. 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:16.520 I have lots of buddies who are rock climbers, so 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:20.520 I've gotten really good at making fun of rock climbers 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:22.840 and the rock climbing life. Yeah. Yeah, so we need 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:27.280 to go down that. Yeah you free loaders off their 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:28.480 plates like that. 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:32.200 Yeah, but yeah, I did see Red for a harpe. 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:34.440 I was like, oh, man, like but really he's he's 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:36.480 knocking down on the rock climbers. And then then I 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.640 saw that you flipped it and it was a hypothetical. 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:42.040 We do have an impact, like as any outdoor sport 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:46.080 has an impact in wildlife. So I actually very adult 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:51.200 of you. Directly, I managed the falcon closures at our 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:55.480 local crags. I helped maskil yep, so we closed down 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.560 entire sections for two months. 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.040 You like the bad guy, know somewhat. 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:02.960 Yeah, I'm the guy that will show up and be like, dude, 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:05.240 get the hell away from the birds, like leave helone. 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:08.520 But yeah, we banned them. I've been doing it for 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:12.640 four or five years now, so no kid. Yep, that's sweet, 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:13.440 that's great. 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:18.080 We just released an episode with RFK Junior, who is 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.560 involved in peregrine restoration. 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:25.440 When they realized that, you know that he used. 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:28.360 The term double clutching. Oh yeah, when they were trying 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:33.079 to like repopulate peregrines. You know, you hear about if whatever, 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:35.880 any kind of bird will lose its first clutch, like 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.079 a turkey, it'll lose its clutch, if it's early in 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:41.520 the spring, it'll just they'll get a second chance, possibly 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:45.120 a third chance. So when they're trying to propagate peregrines, 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:48.280 the bird had drop a clutch and they just kidnap 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:51.320 the clutch, and then she'd drop another clutch and they 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:54.080 kidnap that and then incubate all those and she would 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:56.200 keep thinking she was losing her offspring, and she would 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:59.240 double clutch or triple clutch, which so sounds like an 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:00.000 automotive term. 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:04.200 But yeah, yeah, they're not the best nest builders. They 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:08.160 don't build any nests. They just drop the eggs. Yeah. 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.800 So sometimes they'll steal nests from like ravens and stuff, 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.280 but they're not very good at that part. 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:15.240 You know what a pigeon uses for a nest like 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:19.960 a stick, It uses its own I've never read this. 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.400 This is my observation. They build a nest of their 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:23.280 own excrement. 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:28.840 Oh yeah, and then they wonder why they get the reputation. 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:34.040 How'd you want up with the military, man? I always 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.280 wanted to know since you were growing up. 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:42.160 Yeah. Yeah, my dad served, My uncle served nine to eleven. Happened. 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.280 I was young, but I always wanted to do my part. 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:50.840 I wanted to do more, you know, I was gonna 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:52.839 go infantry and do X y Z. But my dad 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:56.360 had a really real conversation with me and kind of 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:59.280 talked to me. Out of infantry. The stars just kind 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:01.760 of a line they wait, he did. When I got 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:04.280 out of basic training in tech school, my unit was 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.600 deployed Iraq. So I was like, you know, I'll go 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:08.640 to Iraq seew it goes, and then I'll see where 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:13.840 my military career can go. After that, got back from Iraq, 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:18.160 had a little had a little trouble readjusting, wanted to 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:23.080 go back really badly. Never happened. But you know, I 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:24.839 met some of the best people in my life because 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:27.240 of that deployment and I'll never regret that. 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:29.199 So but I got lost it. 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:31.960 You wanted to go infantry, correct, but still one up 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:33.560 and I don't understand what were you doing? 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:38.440 So I'm a mechanic, Yeah, and my overall specialty is 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:42.760 what we call Hotel eight, which is recovery vehicles, so 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.840 like if they get blown up, broken down, and basically 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.199 a fancy tow truck driver that drives a really badass 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:49.880 truck called the helmet record. 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:52.960 And then you spent how much time there? 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.000 I was in country for eleven months and. 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:57.520 Then you didn't like coming home? 0:10:57.840 --> 0:10:58.920 No, coming home socked? 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:00.960 What do you like? Tell me about that? 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:06.160 It's like, you know, one of my mentors always told 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:08.360 me the Army is the easiest job you'll ever quit. 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:13.280 And it's just it's so simple there. You just got 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:17.720 to survive. You're told when where to be and when 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:21.040 to be there, what to where. It's just very regimented 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:30.960 lifestyle coming home and just trying to navigate you know, pushromac, stress, drinking, friendships, relationships, 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:33.400 it was. It was a lot. I came home with 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:35.320 more money in my bank account than I ever had, 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:38.640 and I should have bought a house at the right time. 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:40.560 I didn't, but you know, instead I bought a sports 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:43.319 car and was an idiot for a little while. Hold you, 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:45.480 I am thirty five, now hold on you tube been 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:48.679 married to going on two years in September, So. 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:50.480 You didn't know, you didn't meet, you didn't know each 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:53.720 other prior to service. I came home and bought a 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:54.760 sports car. Yeah. 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:58.160 Yeah, I bought a Mustang, as most idiots do when 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:00.080 it come home from a tour and. 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:05.520 So well discount codes when you're getting off the airplace. 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:08.200 Yeah. I actually bought it when I was in country, 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:12.160 still directly from the factory. So I put like sixteen 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:14.480 grand down. My payment was like one hundred dollars a month. 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:19.000 I was just like, yeah, it's too easy. Yeah, So 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:21.400 it went a little crazy, went a little crazy. 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:21.760 Yeah. 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:27.680 I think it's a very uh standard. Like I'd say 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:29.760 more than fifty percent of the people that come back there, 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:34.560 they deal with these adjustment issues, and at the time, 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:38.240 the VA was not very helpful. And I was trying 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.319 to like get counseling and trying to get out of 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.839 these bad habits that I had developed. Eventually I got 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:45.520 in trouble and had to smarten up. 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.840 So oh yeah, and then you had a mega health scare. 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:50.679 We're gonna get getting. 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:52.840 Mold by yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean so we first 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:54.360 he had to survive like a tumor. 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:56.240 So here's the thing. 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:57.360 It almost sounds made up. 0:12:57.440 --> 0:12:59.600 Yeah, my life story really almost sounds made up. I've 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:05.840 had a lot to a loss and health issues in 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:07.319 the last four years. 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.080 Can we pause this for mix? I have to mention something. Yeah, 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:13.240 you and I had I didn't realize this. We had 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:17.880 like sort of interacted because you had sent in pictures. 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:22.760 Just tell the yeah, like you know, brain tumor, you 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.080 know all that. But let's just talk about this dead 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:28.280 jar deer. 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:30.320 So the deer was still alive when I found it. 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:32.839 It was it was yeah, and that's why I was 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:33.719 so controversial. 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.680 And I didn't even remember it until like this morning. Yeah, 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:37.320 Shane came in. 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:39.480 We're getting ready to court checause if you know you 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:41.640 we interacted, like you posted a picture of mine and 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:44.160 he showed me and it was this he'll tell you. 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:45.240 Yeah. 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:48.600 So I was scouting for a secondary spot my first 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:51.319 year of hunting by myself. So I used to hunt 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:57.400 with my father when I was a kid. Through some loss, 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.560 my dad stopped hunting. We lost my brother and twelve, 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:06.440 so that really set him back. Brother twenty seven motorcycle accident. Yep, 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:11.240 so my dad pretty much stopped everything anything that brought 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:16.040 him joy. So anyway, when in twenty twenty, when my 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:20.480 dad passed away, I took all his hunting gear and 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:21.880 I was like, you know, I'm going to try to 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:24.960 reconnect my father the best way I can. So I 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:29.560 started hunting that year. I got a that fall, I 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:33.040 got a beautiful hen turkey. We had that for Thanksgiving dinner. 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:33.840 Oh really yep. 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:38.160 It was amazing first time cooking wild turkey and it 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:42.040 came out amazing cool. So then I did deer season 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:45.320 shotgun because I wasn't didn't have my dad's bow ready 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:47.680 in time, and I haven't shot a bow at this 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:52.440 point for probably a decade. So I did shotgun season 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:55.360 and I was scouting. I had my tree stand set up, 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.440 I had special access to I don't want to say 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:00.600 it because I don't want people to blow spot up. 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:04.800 But it so I probably gave it away anyway, but. 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:07.440 We can take that out. 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:08.200 It's all good. 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:13.800 It's all good, big old. So I set up my 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:18.560 dad's tree stand. I wore all my dad's clothes. I 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:22.120 had my dad's ashes in my pocket, and I was 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:23.880 looking for a secondary spot because I don't want to 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.240 sit in the tree stand, you know too much during 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:27.160 the two weeks shot and so. 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:28.880 I got to know the detail though, how do you 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:32.000 carry your dad's ash. 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:35.440 I've got a little canister from my dad had a 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:37.400 big mustache and so he asked me to buy him 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.760 some mustache wax one time. So I bought him some 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.000 mustache wax, and so I have just a small sample 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:42.760 of him in there. 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:46.920 I got my grandma's ashes, my allotment of them, in 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:50.200 a ziploc bag that I just chucked into my work 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:52.960 backpack here and I actually went to Mexico with them 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:57.080 and back and totally forgot they were in there. So 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:01.160 you know, this baggy full of powder. 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:04.760 Sus got a little dusty. 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:08.200 No, I mean, nobody said anything about it, but I 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:10.280 have I've yet had a good, good enough wall. I 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:14.560 dated a dumper in the lake which I think she'd enjoy. 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:16.000 Yeah. 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:19.120 So I was just scouting for a secondary spot and 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:23.400 it was really windy the last couple of days on 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:28.000 a Sunday. On a Sunday, yeah, so I had my 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:28.640 glock on me. 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:29.240 That was it. 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:32.040 And I found this cliff that had like a little 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:34.120 meadow below it. And I've always seen deer there. I 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.920 see deer signed there all the time. This looks like 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.440 a pretty good advantage point just as a secondary spot. 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:45.240 So I walked left down the cliff band and all 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:47.360 of a sudden, I see his massive rack sticking out 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:50.080 of the cliff and I was like the hell. And 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.720 I'm big shed hunter, so like I noticed antlers pretty easily, 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:55.440 and so I actually FaceTime Chloe and I'm like, hey, 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:57.480 you never guess what I found, Like dead deer in 0:16:57.520 --> 0:16:59.160 this cliff. I start walking up to it and it 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:01.600 lifts its head up and I'm like, oh no. I 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:05.720 was like, I gotta make some calls. So I I 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:09.080 ended up calling my friend Jesse, who is the guy 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:12.600 who introduced me into the wildlife in the Falcon banding. 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:16.320 And his buck is sunk into a crack right like 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:20.639 his feet. Yeah, he was like, who's good? Have you 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:25.600 seen the pictures. I haven't. There's like a they need 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:26.720 to put it up on the screen. 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:29.560 Yeah, you can do that. I can send him to 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:30.359 one of you guys if you want. 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:31.320 He's in a crack like. 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:35.280 So, Yeah, he falls into this crack and you got 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:35.879 to see it. 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:38.600 Yeah, it's it's pretty pictures worth a thousand words. 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:42.680 I don't know where any of your Sorry. 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.879 He's stuck in a crack. There's like a little cliff. 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.720 There's like a little cliff band, and where the cliff band, 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:50.400 at the bottom of the cliff band, there's a big boulder. 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:53.080 But there's a there's a crack. 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:57.359 He's wedged into what he's wedged between the face of 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:00.280 the cliff and the boulder as it curves in word 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:01.040 towards the cliff. 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:03.800 Yeah, four legs are poking down. 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:06.960 Through there, and and it is and you can. 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:08.520 Get under him and look up, and you can get 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:11.280 above him and look down. An impressive deer. Oh yeah. 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:12.840 And I asked him if that's a nice buck around 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:13.920 an exceptional deer. 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:17.160 Yeah, I think unofficially scored like one three. 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:20.080 Wow, let's see Randa, Yeah, nice book. 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:22.199 I'm just looking at the picture. Now, there's a picture 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:26.200 from underneath. Yeah, and it looks like he's Santa Claus 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:27.560 trying to come down the chimney. 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:31.560 Yeah, just like the deer. Yeah, it was a deer. 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:38.760 Okay, so yeah, so he's still alive. And so my 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:40.160 friend Jesse came. 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.440 Out and you could have tagged it. 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:45.399 So I got a salvage tag. Yeah, yeah, because at 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:47.040 first Jesse was like, hey, like, you're gonna have to 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:49.080 use a tag for this, and I was like, I mean, 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:52.760 I guess so, Like it's Massachusetts, deer harder to come by, 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:55.800 especially Western mass So I was like, yeah, whatever, it's 0:18:55.800 --> 0:19:03.400 not a big deal eventually, So we we contacted e PO. Yeah. Yeah, 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:06.960 so the EPO sold st euthanize it, so we did. 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:08.960 And they let you make the call. Yeah. 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:11.240 We tried pulling him out, and if you see, the 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:14.280 fluid in his legs is all built up. I was 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:18.240 more afraid that he would run still on fight or flight, however, 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:21.840 be dead very quickly by the coyotes and stuff. So 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:24.720 I was we made the choice to definitely put him down. 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:25.840 He's been there for a while. 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:28.560 Yeah, he don't look like he's getting better. 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:32.919 No, No, he's he's pretty messed up. So we you know, 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:36.320 Field dressed him there. A biologist came out. He kept 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:39.879 making the joke. He's like, man, this is if I 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:41.440 didn't know better, this be an elk. Dude is the 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:44.240 biggest dear he'd ever seen. Yeah, it was a big boy. 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:47.640 We never weighed him, but at least two hundred pounds. 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:49.000 What do you think he was doing? Do you think 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:50.439 he slipped off that? I do so. 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:53.280 Actually when I emailed you, he actually had a cataract 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:55.760 in his right eye, So I suspect he's walking the 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:59.359 cliff band on with that cliff on his right so 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:02.720 he's blinding right eye. You said he was really old, 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:05.560 really old. Yeah. I think the biologist that came out 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:08.560 estimated him at eight and a half, close to nine 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:09.440 years old. 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:13.160 Me and my wife filled out our end of life 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:15.320 stuff yesterday. 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:17.720 Did you describe this as the way I want to 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:18.880 put myself in the youth? 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:21.200 I basically would have said in that situation, I'd be 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:22.280 in the ethanized bucket. 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:22.960 Yeah. 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:26.720 Yeah, it's kind of like a what was that guy 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:30.760 Aaron Ralston the one hundred and twenty seven hours right right? 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:32.199 Yeah? Yeah, his arm off. 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:36.200 Yeah, he's just wedged between a rock and a hard place. 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:39.399 Yeah, and you can see where that poor sucker was 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:41.560 raking the dirt above him too. 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:43.320 Yeah, one last row. 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:46.200 And then someone sent you a picture. Someone sent you 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:50.359 a picture of an elk carcass. It looks like the thing. 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:52.480 So I was getting a lot of flak for this. 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:55.760 Oh why why are people messed with you about? Who cares? 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:59.119 People just can't be happy for other people or just 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:02.119 I don't want to say happy, but like, this was 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:04.880 just a real experience that I had, and you put it. 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:07.560 On social media, right, just say like, oh my god, look, 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:08.639 yeah that's weird. 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:11.560 Like cool, it was a cool, unique experience. 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:13.720 And I took it. Delighted me to see that. Yeah, 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:16.000 and so tell me about how what are the criticisms? 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:19.439 Just like I was poaching? Yeah, and I did have 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:21.760 in there, yeah right, like. 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:25.119 Really elaborate trap, yeah yeah they. 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:29.840 And it's so good at the that you duped the biologist, right, yeah, yeah, 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:34.000 totally such a shrewd criminal. You shot an ice buck, 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:36.760 jammed it in there, got the fluid to run down 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:38.560 its legs, duped. 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:40.560 A biologist apparently. 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:42.680 And then walked away without even needing to use your tag, 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:43.920 You son. 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:46.800 Of a I'm picturing you wedging that boulder out with 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:49.840 a stick and standing there with a string and a carrot, and. 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:52.160 Okay, so you poached it, I can see. 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:52.400 Yeah. 0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:55.959 Yeah, so there's just that's that's how I do it. So, 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:59.119 actually the biologist is really cool. He ended up taking 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:01.800 to his house, and then a couple of days later 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:03.119 I went to his house and he showed me how 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:05.199 to skin it and butcher it. 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:10.600 Really Yeah, Chloe, I'm gonna get away with this. Who'd 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:12.160 have thought I'd go to the biologists? 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:14.760 Yeah, yeah, perfect, alibi. 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:15.960 The meat was good enough. 0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:18.920 We had the backstraps pretty quick. 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:23.840 We ran out of its rare. 0:22:24.000 --> 0:22:25.680 It was probably the rarest me I've ever eaten. 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:29.280 So this is like a real thing about like high 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:32.560 stress people. Yeah, I mean even you want to talk 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:33.840 about some high stress ye. 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:35.879 Well, deer was there. He was feeding them corn for 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:39.680 like a wile. Just want to get it finished. 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:42.480 In your comments, people were like I would never eat that? 0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:45.480 How could you eat that? Disgusting? And I'm like, dude, 0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:48.080 like I don't know, man, it tastes like deer. 0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:51.280 You didn't like that? Were too high stressed individuals? 0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:59.200 Yeah right, I made a nice Asian dish last night, 0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:03.840 and uh it was it was told told to me 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:10.840 that the ingredient list was a little too intense, and uh, 0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:13.439 it tasted good, but it was too intense because I 0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:19.399 used uh, gizzard, liver, heart, turkey, testicles and then. 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:24.000 An old Bucky found wedge and then and stuff. 0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:28.040 It was really really good, but it was the knowledge 0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:29.400 of the ingredient list. 0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:31.119 It's up after a while, said. 0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:31.840 Well, they don't ask. 0:23:33.480 --> 0:23:34.760 No, I think it's good. 0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:35.480 To know what you're eating. 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:36.919 Bear's eye of all. 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:39.120 Using it all? 0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:41.800 What were the other criticisms? None as curious, I don't. 0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:42.760 I mean it was so long ago. 0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:43.760 You were Sunday hunting. 0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:46.880 Yeah, that was Sunday hunting pressured this deer to fall 0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:47.919 off the cliffs. 0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:51.960 Like a buffalo jump. 0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:52.200 Right right. 0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:55.520 There. 0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:57.440 Had there been some number of people that just said, 0:23:57.440 --> 0:23:58.040 oh that's. 0:23:57.840 --> 0:24:00.840 Cool, Yeah, absolutely totally. I mean they got like I 0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:02.879 have seen it, they got like four hundred shares in 0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:04.520 the first couple hours in the morning. 0:24:04.800 --> 0:24:07.119 Was that buck a total mystery book or did some 0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:08.720 did you have anyone. 0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:09.399 Like I know that buck? 0:24:10.320 --> 0:24:12.359 So, like I said, it's like a lottery area they 0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:15.359 got to apply for. I mean, I've in this area, 0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:19.000 this specific area, but I hunt the surrounding area that's 0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:21.679 legal to hunt outside of the lottery. And I've got 0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:25.919 about ten cameras up. I've never seen them. I have 0:24:25.960 --> 0:24:28.520 cameras there because I shed hunt there every year. Uh 0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:33.320 and so yeah, season was it? Like this was the 0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:38.400 pretty closest shotgun season, So like, oh, sorry, shotgun usually 0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:40.760 starts December, I think, so this was like a week 0:24:40.840 --> 0:24:41.919 before shotgun season. 0:24:42.880 --> 0:24:46.280 To the brain tumor, yeah yeah, but can you imagine 0:24:48.240 --> 0:24:51.840 the story some shotgun hunter would come up with if 0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:55.399 they come came across that deer be like, oh. 0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:59.560 No, no, no, oh I shot it. Oh yeah, I would 0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:02.520 never A lot of people would have been it's Sunday. 0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:07.120 You can't hunt Sunday. But I know where I'm gonna be. Yeah, 0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:10.520 bring along. 0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:23.840 So back to the brain tumor. I uh so it's 0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:26.679 called I can't pronounce it, but acoustic neuroma. 0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:27.520 Is that right? 0:25:27.640 --> 0:25:30.760 Okay? Cool? I went to public school, so you know. 0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:33.040 As did I think everyone at the table. 0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:40.800 So yeah, So I found out post deployment to Poland 0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:44.760 that I had this brain tumor and that it needed 0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:46.439 to come out. Was a little bit smaller than a 0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:49.920 golf ball couldn't keep it there. Obviously. 0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:53.240 It was always measuring tumors by golf balls. 0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:53.879 I don't know. 0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:55.640 Randall had a face tumor too. 0:25:56.000 --> 0:25:57.480 Randall, Yeah, this guy. 0:25:57.600 --> 0:26:00.000 That one was the tip of your thumb. They didn't 0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:01.600 dolf didn't do half a golf. 0:26:01.480 --> 0:26:03.680 No, no, unfortunately. 0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:05.760 Yeah, as as two golf balls. 0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:07.760 I was really shooting for a golf ball. 0:26:07.880 --> 0:26:10.560 I thought if they could get that, I'd feel like 0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:11.639 I got to accomplish something. 0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:12.679 It made rand smarter. 0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:17.600 Oh nice, Yeah, I name me a little slower. 0:26:17.640 --> 0:26:21.160 But sor Ry Randall's got a good story where when 0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:23.240 he uh, I think when it all came to a 0:26:23.280 --> 0:26:25.600 thing and you really hit hit the fan. 0:26:26.119 --> 0:26:28.639 He was in the middle of cooking, oh my fishing 0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:30.199 game cookbook. That was my stroke. 0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:32.320 Oh, that was my stroke. 0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:32.919 Yeah, I was. 0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:37.120 I uh was making a big batch of mule deer 0:26:37.200 --> 0:26:40.399 chili when I had a stroke. And then my wife 0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:43.080 came home later after I'd been taken to the hospital, 0:26:44.359 --> 0:26:47.440 and once it was clear that I was going to 0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:52.239 make it through the day, she said, I packed up 0:26:52.280 --> 0:26:56.640 all that chili, but I haven't eaten any of it yet, 0:26:56.680 --> 0:26:57.240 have you had? 0:26:57.280 --> 0:26:59.080 She we didn't know what had happened. 0:26:59.520 --> 0:27:01.119 She's like, do you think it's okay to eat or 0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:03.120 should I freeze it? And we wait till we get 0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:07.479 the full right up. But actually my tumor when they 0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:09.239 woke up from this, when they woke me up from 0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:12.960 the surgery, Sydney handed me my phone and she said, 0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:17.680 Steve Ornella texted you. But what I said, oh my god, 0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:21.240 you must have heard from cal that badger around no 0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:23.600 which you said you said, was did you ever go 0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:25.480 to that spot I told you about? 0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:28.600 And if you did, did you see any bears there? 0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:31.720 And I was like sitting there in the hospital with 0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:35.359 like blood just like and I texted, yeah, saw a 0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:39.520 bunch of bears, maybe six. And then immediately you responded, 0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:41.360 was it all just thousand cups? 0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:46.280 Continue? 0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:50.240 Those are my Those are my meat eater related health jokes. 0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:55.200 I said, yeah. So I basically when we found out 0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:59.040 about the brain tumor, I actually ironically found out on 0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:03.639 my brother's death anniversary. So I was like, just really bizarre. 0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:07.480 I was alone, which really sucked. I shouldn't have like 0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:09.800 opened my patient portal and saw the diagnosis. 0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:12.960 Oh yeah, and you were already getting little deaf in 0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:13.560 your right ear. 0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:14.959 Yeah, So I already was once. 0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:17.040 Do you think that was related to well. 0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:19.639 I mean I knew it was related to Basically, the 0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:22.840 Army told me I had nerve damage and just like 0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:28.080 from gunfire and just loud noises being a mechanic. All right, cool, Yeah, 0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:31.240 makes sense. I guess it's not uncommon for people in 0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:34.360 the military to go deaf, especially in my shooting year. 0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:36.640 I guess because I'm right handed. Well I shoot rifle 0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:44.240 right handed. So I told Chloe. We went to one 0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:47.600 of my best friend's weddings, and then at their wedding, 0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:50.080 I kind of looked at Chloe. We had been engaged already, 0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:51.680 and I was like, why don't we just get married 0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:56.880 before the surgery so we can you know, in case 0:28:56.920 --> 0:28:59.880 anything happens, you'll be you know, five hundred thousand dollars richer. 0:29:00.680 --> 0:29:06.200 And yeah, yeah, So anyway, so we decided to have 0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:08.680 a quick backyard wedding. It really sucked, as it wasn't 0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:11.600 the wedding we wanted, but you know. 0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:15.520 But just to save you here didn't suck. 0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:25.560 Yeah, reapproach that right. I was watching her carefully. 0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:26.240 She didn't react. 0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:31.200 Also, the best moment of my life. 0:29:31.480 --> 0:29:33.760 Yeah next time, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was I. 0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:35.880 Had a big wedding, and I tell people, I'm like, 0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:36.560 don't do that. 0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:38.840 Yeah, it's a waste of money. 0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:39.800 You just forget about it. 0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:44.000 Hansel Fast You're like talking to you know, like, oh 0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:50.440 remember me, Yeah, I was your Sunday school, you know, and. 0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:52.040 All of a sudden, like the night's over. You're like, 0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:53.040 there was a lot of money. 0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:56.360 Yeah, yeah, I mean it was a very form We 0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:57.880 had Chipotle catered. 0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:00.760 Yeah, that's the way to do it. 0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:00.960 Was. 0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:04.480 It was awesome, perfect wedding, perfect wed It was great. 0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:05.880 We had smoked eel. 0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:12.840 That sounds interesting. Uh So yeah, we got married, and 0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:16.440 then I like, It's what sucked was like I really 0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:19.479 couldn't be as present as I wanted because I was, 0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:24.719 you know, sure prepping for a very serious surgery. I 0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:25.960 was very drunk, very fast. 0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:28.680 To be fair, I wasn't very present either. I was like, 0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:30.800 I don't know what's happening. It was like we played 0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:31.880 it in two weeks. 0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:35.120 So you're like, oh, I knows, I might be sitting 0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:36.120 on a five hundred. 0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:41.880 Grand lucky you. Yeah, so we you know, the surgery 0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:46.680 went well. There was a high risk of face paralysis, 0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:51.680 balance being really really like no balance or just having 0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:57.760 difficulty balancing and some cognitive concerns. I have all of 0:30:57.760 --> 0:31:01.320 the above two degree without the proles. That's fine, but 0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:04.120 basically the nerve is really growing wrapped up and I'm sorry, 0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:06.600 the tumor is growing all wrapped up in my facial nerves, 0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:11.280 my balanced nerve, my taste nerve. So there's a lot 0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:16.160 of risk. But basically the VA, and I will praise 0:31:16.200 --> 0:31:18.360 the VA all day for this. They basically were like, 0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:21.240 what hospitle do you want to go to? And I'm like, well, 0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:23.240 who pays for this? And They're like, we do. I'm like, 0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:25.720 let's go to Boston. And so I went to some 0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:28.560 of the best doctors in the world for this and 0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:34.120 they took really good care of me. So that happened. 0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:38.000 That happened October third, and I was good to go 0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:40.800 in the woods shotgun hunting in December. 0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.280 Totally deaf right here, totally definitely right here. 0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:51.440 It's it's challenging. This past season. I had a dose 0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:52.960 sneak up on me when I was sitting in my 0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:56.400 saddle and it was a really cool experience. Is my 0:31:56.440 --> 0:32:00.600 first rut hunt ever at my dad's bow, and so 0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:03.240 I was sitting in this in the saddle, and I 0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:05.239 heard something, but I couldn't. It's just really hard for 0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:06.880 me to trianglate sound. That's why when one of these 0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:07.640 guys talking. 0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:12.240 Yeah, locating a gobbler could be brutal. 0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:14.480 Oh yeah, I imagine I haven't tried it yet. 0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:18.040 Yeah, are our body Clay. He's deaf, mostly deaf in 0:32:18.040 --> 0:32:20.000 one ear. Okay, he can't tell where he can't tell 0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:21.719 where he comes from. I feel like he said kind 0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:23.280 of like ruined in a lot of ways. 0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:23.960 It's ruined Turkey. 0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:25.280 And for him, that's interesting. 0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:28.080 I haven't got to have someone to like. 0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:30.040 He kind of needs someone to point, like, well, he 0:32:30.080 --> 0:32:32.440 can hear it, but he always points. He points like 0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:33.880 one hundred and eighty degrees off everything. 0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:37.920 Yeah, so this dough is walking behind me, and I'm 0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:40.680 also like, my eyes really messed up as well. So 0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:43.680 I didn't have my glasses on because I shoot bow lefty, 0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:45.920 so my right eye, sorry, my left eye is good. 0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:48.640 So I turned and I was like, I think that's 0:32:48.680 --> 0:32:51.880 a dough. So I had to like do another turn 0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:53.840 this way to look over my left shoulder, and I 0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:55.560 was like, all right, that's a dough. But she kept 0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:57.200 looking over her back and I was like, oh, there's 0:32:57.200 --> 0:33:00.000 got to be a buck on her, and so I 0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:03.200 wrapped underneath my tether, grab my bow, and I just 0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:06.480 waited and this big brute of a ten pointer came 0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:09.160 running in and right as she walked away, I sprayed 0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:11.920 some estress in the air that got him just really 0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:14.760 stuck in the area. What really, Yeah, oh man, he 0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:16.200 stopped as I got. 0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:19.840 To push back. You keep knocking your mental faculties. But like, 0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:22.160 I wouldn't be thinking about any of that stuff. 0:33:22.440 --> 0:33:25.960 I don't know at this point. I'm you know, I wouldn't. 0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:29.000 I'm not an amazing hunter. I've honestly only been hunting 0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:32.040 since twenty twenty on my own, so I'm doing a 0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:34.000 lot of this like trial and air stuff on my own. 0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:35.840 And I just well, that won't ever stopped. 0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:39.120 Just so, yeah, oh for sure, for sure, you'll never 0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:40.480 be like got that all figured out. 0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:42.800 Yeah, I couldn't believe it. 0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:47.120 Problem, sorry to god, man, ass overhead stops and just 0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:49.120 start sniffing like crazy and. 0:33:49.480 --> 0:33:51.480 It so as you saw it. You put a little squirt. 0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:53.640 Out as the dough walked away. So the buck was 0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:58.000 about a minute, maybe two minutes behind her, and oh yeah, 0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:00.920 it was. It was cool. So I draw back and 0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:03.600 I was off by five yards, dropped under his belly. 0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:07.360 He kicked up, I'm off by five yards. Yeah that's 0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:11.560 fifteen feet. Yeah yeah, so what I so. 0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:12.399 I didn't range him? 0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:13.160 I didn't. 0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:16.200 I was like too jittery. I just like, I really 0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:18.000 just wanted to make a shot. I thought he was 0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:20.640 at twenty five yards. He was more like thirty five yards, 0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:21.680 so maybe ten yards. 0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:28.640 Oh you're distance, judge, I missed. I went right under 0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:32.440 his belly, right, shooting a way out there. Yeah yeah, 0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:34.080 I know, right on, judge. 0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:36.000 Yeah. 0:34:36.320 --> 0:34:38.600 Was it bigger than the than the than the crack book. 0:34:39.880 --> 0:34:42.160 I don't think so. No, the crack Buck, at least 0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:45.480 body wise, is bigger. Yeah yeah, but he was a 0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:49.000 nice ten point. I've been watching, and so he jumps 0:34:49.040 --> 0:34:50.640 snorts a couple of times. I'm like, do I got 0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:52.080 another shot? I was like, but I need to range 0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:53.840 him this time to figure out like how far he was, 0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:56.440 and he was after the shot, he pushed back about 0:34:56.440 --> 0:34:58.720 fifty yards, and I just wasn't comfortable shooting at fifty 0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:02.920 given how little experience I had at the bow at 0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:06.279 this point, so I let him let him go. But 0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:10.160 it was a really cool experience. Nonetheless, Yeah, yeah, so 0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:17.439 brain tumor. Uh so the balancing Basically, if you take 0:35:17.440 --> 0:35:20.200 away my vision, my balance is still pretty jacked up 0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:22.239 and pretty challenging because I don't have that inner ear. 0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:25.640 I guess going for me anymore. Yeah, I get rdy go. 0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:28.880 Sometimes you got to beat you because you're balanced. I 0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:29.560 don't know, man, I. 0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:33.920 Just thought, yeah, I thought you kicked my eye. I 0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:34.879 thought you'd kick my head. 0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:36.200 Days are over. 0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:38.239 But now I know your balance is off. I might 0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:39.080 take a while shot. 0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:39.640 Let's try it. 0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:43.080 Let's go now. Yeah. 0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:46.920 So I remember the first time walking in Uh I 0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:49.839 had my red light on and I was walking into 0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:53.799 the shotgun and I was eight ship like seven. Yeah, man, 0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:56.960 I was getting so frustrated. It sucked. 0:35:57.040 --> 0:35:58.640 And you probably think you got lived like that the 0:35:58.719 --> 0:35:59.520 rest of your life too. 0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:02.040 Yeah. It was because like this is two months after surgery, 0:36:02.120 --> 0:36:03.680 so it's like this is it, this is what's going 0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:07.600 to be. Like I just had surgery on your head. 0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:14.120 Yeah, the docks and oh that's fine. 0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:18.560 Yeah I didn't tell them. Uh yeah, So I fell 0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:21.360 a bunch, but I had the where with all the 0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:25.600 changed the light color to green and that so it's 0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:28.440 a red blue and green and then white light obviously, 0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:30.920 so I changed it to green and that was just 0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:31.720 a little bit better. 0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:33.480 Oh that's interesting. 0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:35.600 Yeah, so that was helpful, just like I could see 0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:37.680 a little bit better and the depth perception was better. 0:36:37.840 --> 0:36:39.759 So do you got a corrective lens on your het? 0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:42.919 Yeah? Yeah, so what I was my right eye? Yeah, 0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:46.759 because I'm telling you, guys are like dude, just making 0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:50.120 all this stuff. So in twenty twenty. 0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:53.320 You laughing about laughing about the next. 0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:55.520 Details, which is really funny, like just retelling. 0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:55.879 Yeah. 0:36:56.000 --> 0:36:56.280 Story. 0:36:56.360 --> 0:36:58.600 So and it's kind of surgery. 0:36:58.960 --> 0:36:59.200 Yeah. 0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:02.120 So prior to me leaving for Poland, I was shed 0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:06.080 hunting and I had a stick puncture my eyeball, which 0:37:06.080 --> 0:37:08.800 one my right eye. So that's why I wear glasses. 0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:11.359 Now this this, my left lens, is just a lens. 0:37:11.400 --> 0:37:16.520 There's no correction there. So I was, like the surgeon said, 0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:18.239 is one one hundredth of an inch from losing my 0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:22.320 eye or my vision in that eye? A stick, a stick, Yeah, 0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:24.400 straightened my eyeball. 0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:27.719 With like such velocity that like ruptured it. It was 0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:30.120 like an open, open globe. 0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:32.040 It's called I can show you pictures of that after 0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:35.400 I had stitches in my cornea. It's absolutely was it 0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:38.520 a branch? It just yeah, yeah, just literally like slink 0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:41.480 shotted right into my eye. Oh, I was I was 0:37:41.560 --> 0:37:46.319 leaving for for training for the army, and I just 0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:48.440 was really excited to take my dog out for a 0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:50.920 shed hunt. So I left work early, got into woods. 0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:53.680 I was mile into the woods and whack hits me 0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:57.440 in the eyeball. And I usually wear like it was 0:37:57.480 --> 0:38:00.960 so cloudy that I didn't have you know, I usually 0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:02.600 like wear some type of glasses, but all I had 0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:04.960 was sunglasses. So I actually took them off and put 0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:06.520 them on my hat. So if I had just kept 0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:09.120 them on, I probably would have been obviously fine. 0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:10.160 But damn. 0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:14.160 Yeah, So four years I've had this will be this 0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:17.960 shoulder surgery from the bear attack on Friday will be 0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:22.439 the fourth surgery in three years. Actually, Okay, so it's 0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:23.880 I'm sorry to bounce back. 0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:27.359 No, no, it's all helpful background. Yeah, let's move on 0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:28.319 to Wyoming, all. 0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:31.680 Right, cool, So, because we want to. 0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:34.920 Get a picture of a totally debilitated man, and I 0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:35.600 hope you come. 0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:37.240 Back next year if you get struck by lightning. 0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:45.760 Right, A sensory deprived, the sensory deprived, sort of half 0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:48.280 their man in the mountains. 0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:49.839 Yeah. 0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:54.799 Yeah, we were actually like starting to feel like recovered 0:38:54.880 --> 0:38:57.960 enough from all that that were like, let's do it. 0:38:58.040 --> 0:38:59.320 Let's finally go on our honeymoon. 0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:01.880 This is the honeymoon. This is the honeymoon. 0:39:02.160 --> 0:39:02.600 Honeyway. 0:39:02.680 --> 0:39:05.480 Yeah, HiT's keep coming, right. 0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:09.319 So we rented a mini van. 0:39:09.680 --> 0:39:13.400 And where did you wint the minivan? Enterprise? 0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:14.840 No, I mean I don't mean like. 0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:21.360 Oh, so you drove out, he'll plug for enterprise. 0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:24.719 So you drove out. You rented a mini van to 0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:25.200 go on a. 0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:27.160 Road trip for a three week trip. 0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:28.640 What did you guys? 0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:29.160 Did you do? 0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:30.920 Chrysler Town and Country. 0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:34.960 Was a Chrysler of the mini van. 0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:37.120 Yeah, the reasonable daily rate. 0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:41.399 Living in Violet built a. 0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:44.120 Little like temporary bed platform in the back. 0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:47.399 Yeah, I was, uh. 0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:54.760 Bag van life. 0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:57.280 Has van life slash rental. 0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:02.720 Yes, So we basically were planning on to do some climbing, 0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:08.360 do some shed hunting and exploring, and we were softly 0:40:08.480 --> 0:40:11.200 kind of looking to possibly move out to Wyoming. So 0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:13.280 in the next few years when she's done at school. 0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:15.759 Oh yeah, actually got like a transition coming up. 0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:20.759 So we had spent three days in the bad Lands, 0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:22.239 which I just I love the bad Lands. 0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:25.440 Let me ask, are you still a mechanic technically? Yeah? 0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:26.839 Yeah so in the army. 0:40:26.920 --> 0:40:27.120 Yes. 0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:31.759 On the civilian side, I'm what's called electronics mechanic for 0:40:31.920 --> 0:40:32.840 the army, so. 0:40:32.719 --> 0:40:34.600 It's you're still working there. 0:40:34.760 --> 0:40:37.800 Yeah. So I'm an Army reservist mill tech, which is 0:40:37.840 --> 0:40:40.560 a dual status position, so I'm contracted in to stay 0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:42.400 in the reserves as long as I hold this civilian 0:40:42.480 --> 0:40:45.200 job understood. So it's like I called it, backdoor draft. 0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:50.960 Kind of sucks, but it's a pays the bills. So 0:40:52.000 --> 0:40:54.600 we spent three days in the bad Lands, which I 0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:57.839 love the bad Lands. I love how under traffic it 0:40:57.880 --> 0:41:01.200 is compared to the other works, and it's got just 0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:03.799 a lot of cool stuff. So I showed her that 0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:07.000 because that's somewhere I've been, and I really enjoyed it. 0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:11.560 We had a great time there. We went hiking in 0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:15.920 the Big Horn National Forest, got charged by a moose. 0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:16.720 That was fun. 0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:19.520 I thought that was gonna be our scariest animal encounter. 0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:25.280 Yeah, so I got us all on top of yeah. 0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:28.480 Oh yeah, So I got us all on a boulder, her, 0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:31.520 my dog and I and we just watched her kind 0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:34.560 of just struck around being angry. She I was. I 0:41:34.600 --> 0:41:35.840 was a little worried. I was like, we could be 0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:37.360 up here for hours. I don't I don't have a 0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:39.960 lot of dogs. Yeah, yeah, I know that. 0:41:41.520 --> 0:41:41.719 Yeah. 0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:43.960 I was actually the one that that spooked them. 0:41:44.280 --> 0:41:48.160 And I'm terrified of moose anytime we run into them 0:41:48.160 --> 0:41:51.520 in Massachusetts Chad hunting. Shane makes fun of me because 0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:54.560 I'm always like shaking. Like there's one time I pointed 0:41:54.560 --> 0:41:55.440 one out near. 0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:59.640 Shaking like the girl from Jurassic Park, and I'm like, 0:41:59.680 --> 0:42:01.880 I'm like, I mean it was only like ten feet away, 0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:07.040 so for you know, context, and I just like looked 0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:08.799 at it and I was like, this is right after 0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:10.479 my eye injury, so I had literally had an eye 0:42:10.480 --> 0:42:12.319 patch on and I only had one eye and I 0:42:12.360 --> 0:42:14.160 was just looking at the ground making sure I didn't fall. 0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:18.200 Oh, this is shed hunting, Yeah, this is yeah, this 0:42:18.320 --> 0:42:19.320 was in Massachusetts. 0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:21.640 Yeah. So she's like pointing at this movie and I'm like, 0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:24.920 all right, it would already charge us if it didn't, 0:42:25.320 --> 0:42:27.279 if it didn't want us here, And it just kept 0:42:27.280 --> 0:42:28.880 eating its food looking at us, and then it just 0:42:28.880 --> 0:42:30.160 did it one eighty and walked away. 0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:33.719 So yeah, So during this most recent encounter, I was 0:42:33.719 --> 0:42:37.200 the one that uh jumped them saw yeah, and saw 0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:41.480 the calf first, and it like took off and I 0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:44.080 was like, whow all right, like now this is a 0:42:44.120 --> 0:42:47.080 safe distance away, like I'm gonna I'm gonna take a picture. 0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:48.640 And I was looking at the picture. I was like, 0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:50.480 looks kind of small. 0:42:51.320 --> 0:42:54.760 And then and then I see mom like walking around 0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:58.680 these boulders, just like grilling me, and I'm like, oh no, 0:42:59.520 --> 0:43:01.920 So I for Shane, And because I didn't know what 0:43:02.000 --> 0:43:05.239 to do, I don't I don't have the knowledge that 0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:09.920 Shane has. So I just radioed to him and was like, uh, 0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:13.200 I have a very angry mama moose that's not backing down, 0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:15.520 and I'm like just trying to back up the hill 0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:16.320 and give her space. 0:43:16.400 --> 0:43:18.400 And yeah, she was just coming after me. 0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:21.520 So and at this point, you know, if something bad happens, 0:43:21.560 --> 0:43:25.000 it's going to happen to him. Get him over there. 0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:28.520 Yeah. So yeah, I got us all on a boulder 0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:30.560 and she stayed for like fIF lingered around for like 0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:33.399 fifteen minutes, and then I could see her calf down 0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:35.120 in the tree line, so she went to the calf 0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:37.480 and we got out of there pretty quick after that. 0:43:37.680 --> 0:43:40.960 I didn't want to stick around. Yes, yep, that was 0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:46.320 in the Bighorn yep. So then we stayed in Cody 0:43:46.400 --> 0:43:49.960 for a night. Then we got to Yellowstone and we 0:43:50.080 --> 0:43:53.400 camped out there for three days and that was awesome. 0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:57.400 We just drove around photographed animals. It's just like a 0:43:57.960 --> 0:43:59.960 hobby of mine. I just like taking pictures of animals 0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:02.759 as much as you know, anything else I do. 0:44:02.800 --> 0:44:03.440 I guess. 0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:08.680 Sold some photographs, but haven't made up for the equipment 0:44:08.719 --> 0:44:12.879 I've paid for. Uh yeah, So Yellowstone is cool. I've 0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:14.880 never been there before. It's nice to get there before 0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:19.120 the crazy Taurus. And then we were heading south to 0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:21.719 Moab and we're just going to drive through the Tetons 0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:25.719 for a few hours, just check that out. We had 0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:28.440 done some research about the great gray owls and Signal 0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:31.280 Mountain is kind of a hot spot, so that's when. 0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:33.560 We at least read it. Told me so read it. 0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:36.319 That's a good place to see a great gray owl. 0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:42.879 Yeah, so we parked, we walked up Signal Mountain Road, 0:44:43.560 --> 0:44:46.600 and so it was the three of us, two of 0:44:46.640 --> 0:44:49.080 us with the dog. We walked up there together for 0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:49.919 about half a mile. 0:44:50.000 --> 0:44:56.160 Maybe it's not a remote back country. 0:44:55.760 --> 0:44:57.920 Not at all. Yeah, yep, and it was. 0:44:57.960 --> 0:45:00.319 It was close to cars, but there were so many 0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:02.800 cyclists and pedestrians and stuff. 0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:04.799 There's dozens of people up there that day. 0:45:05.040 --> 0:45:05.239 Yeah. 0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:10.760 So as we're walking up there was actually like a 0:45:10.760 --> 0:45:15.399 safari like a I don't know, yeah that country guy. 0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:18.200 Yeah yeah, and like we so we bumped into them 0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:20.480 and they're like, oh yeah, we went on and off 0:45:20.480 --> 0:45:23.239 the trail. They didn't see any sign of owls, but 0:45:23.280 --> 0:45:26.040 they're out there somewhere and they're like, didn't see any 0:45:26.040 --> 0:45:28.279 bear sign either. I'm like, you're like and they asked me, like, 0:45:28.320 --> 0:45:29.439 do you have bear sprayers like cats? 0:45:29.480 --> 0:45:29.799 Right here? 0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:31.960 Right on my f h F. 0:45:33.680 --> 0:45:38.440 Good job you had you had the spray holster underneath the. 0:45:38.560 --> 0:45:41.200 I didn't have the holster. I ended up buying because 0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:45.600 I've never thought about bear spray until coming out West. 0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:48.120 He's the black bear. I know that they can be 0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:51.399 dangerous still, but every every black bear ever see their run. 0:45:51.760 --> 0:45:55.400 Yeah yeah, they're running away from me. So anyway, so 0:45:55.440 --> 0:45:58.680 I just bought like some cheap elastics to hold it 0:45:58.719 --> 0:46:01.040 in place. I did stop at the meat eater store 0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:02.720 let yesterday and buy the Holster though. 0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:07.319 Yeah, tell what you were here for. 0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:09.440 No, I didn't know. I don't know. 0:46:09.480 --> 0:46:11.480 I didn't. I like to think they would have given 0:46:11.520 --> 0:46:13.080 it to you. You always got it. 0:46:13.120 --> 0:46:14.719 You walk in there, and do you know who I am? 0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:18.400 Do you have any idea who I am? We've gotten looks. 0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:20.799 I think some people do know, because we've definitely some 0:46:20.840 --> 0:46:24.560 people looking at us a couple of times. So anyway, yeah, 0:46:24.600 --> 0:46:25.040 it's going on. 0:46:25.120 --> 0:46:26.440 Good Morning America, will do that. 0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:31.239 Yeah, yeah. So eventually Chloe decided like, hey, like, you know, 0:46:31.280 --> 0:46:33.960 I only have the bear spray, I'm gonna go back 0:46:34.000 --> 0:46:36.560 to the cars, like cool, I'm just gonna give myself 0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:39.560 an hour up here. I'll bounce on and off the road. 0:46:39.880 --> 0:46:42.239 And I knew too, like I had Cadence with me, 0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:44.840 our dog, and I wasn't gonna be able to go 0:46:44.920 --> 0:46:47.799 everywhere that he wanted to go, and like, you're not 0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:50.239 supposed to take dogs off the more than a hundred 0:46:50.239 --> 0:46:52.680 feet off the road in national parks, so I want 0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:55.000 to be respectful of that too. So yeah, I just 0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:57.080 turned around and I was going to iron out some 0:46:57.120 --> 0:46:59.360 things with our itinerary and whatnot. 0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:02.120 And yeah, sorry, no. 0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:06.080 You're very You're endearing yourself to this crowd following the 0:47:06.120 --> 0:47:09.040 rules in a national park, especially fleash dogs. 0:47:09.040 --> 0:47:12.600 They're supposed to protect dogs from wildlife and wildlife from dogs. 0:47:12.760 --> 0:47:15.839 And you know, we can't help, but wonder how things might. 0:47:15.760 --> 0:47:18.400 Have you actually like read the signs and stuff all 0:47:18.440 --> 0:47:20.440 the printed materials out there. That's amazing. 0:47:20.760 --> 0:47:23.960 Yeah, that's what saved my life, partly, partly. 0:47:24.640 --> 0:47:26.520 And probably why our dogs still alive. I mean, I 0:47:26.560 --> 0:47:28.439 don't know what would have happened if she had been there. 0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:41.880 Yeah. So I had been walking all over the place 0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:44.760 up there. I have a pretty good sense of direction 0:47:45.120 --> 0:47:48.120 that like naturally, I had a compass with me. My 0:47:48.200 --> 0:47:52.160 phone's GPS was not working very great, zero service for 0:47:52.200 --> 0:47:56.560 the most part. So after an hour goes by, I'm like, 0:47:56.680 --> 0:47:58.320 I look at my watch. I had set a timer 0:47:58.360 --> 0:48:01.319 for an hour and fifteen that my alarm went off. 0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:02.799 I was like, oh shit, Like, you know, I told 0:48:02.840 --> 0:48:04.600 her I'd be back in an hour. She's probably getting 0:48:04.600 --> 0:48:08.120 a little worried. So I looked at the GPS and 0:48:08.160 --> 0:48:13.480 basically it was just both on X and Google Maps 0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:16.479 was just pictulated like you parked here and here's yours. 0:48:16.640 --> 0:48:17.680 You had to downloaded the map. 0:48:18.320 --> 0:48:22.760 Yeah, because we didn't discuss going to this location until 0:48:22.800 --> 0:48:24.560 the drive there, and at that point I had no 0:48:24.640 --> 0:48:25.880 service to download anything. 0:48:26.160 --> 0:48:28.640 This was like, let's pull over and stretch our legs 0:48:28.680 --> 0:48:31.440 for a second. I heard there might be owls here, right, so. 0:48:32.160 --> 0:48:34.960 Nice, but you know, it's still pointed me in the 0:48:35.040 --> 0:48:36.600 right direction back to the parking lot. 0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:38.480 How far are you from the parking. 0:48:38.200 --> 0:48:39.600 Lot when the attack happened? 0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:41.120 Ye, I don't know at this point. 0:48:42.160 --> 0:48:43.680 At this point it's hard to say. 0:48:43.880 --> 0:48:45.800 Well, so up the road we had gone three quarters 0:48:45.800 --> 0:48:47.920 of a mile and then yeah, but. 0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:50.359 I wandered all up on top of Signal Mountain, so 0:48:50.640 --> 0:48:53.239 I any any the furthest probably was maybe a couple 0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:53.640 of miles. 0:48:53.719 --> 0:48:55.279 How far from the road were you. 0:48:59.000 --> 0:49:03.160 Maybe maybe from single mountain road? Probably just a mile 0:49:03.920 --> 0:49:06.200 At any given time, it was never more than a mile. 0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:12.279 So I start b lining back to the parking lot. 0:49:12.160 --> 0:49:15.080 Like you're you bush wagon down right? Yep? 0:49:15.360 --> 0:49:20.160 And this straight line yep. And so just basically walking 0:49:20.960 --> 0:49:25.600 mostly east in a little southeast and uh, and I 0:49:25.840 --> 0:49:27.520 just I'm in the woods all the time. So I 0:49:27.600 --> 0:49:30.080 moved really fast and efficiently, and I think that was 0:49:30.120 --> 0:49:32.920 part of my problem, was it was really windy out. 0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:35.239 I think if I remember correctly, when was up to 0:49:35.280 --> 0:49:39.040 forty miles per hour that day. So as I'm going 0:49:39.080 --> 0:49:40.160 through the woods. 0:49:39.880 --> 0:49:41.800 And what's the topography, like, are you going to steep? 0:49:42.880 --> 0:49:43.560 Is it steep? 0:49:44.400 --> 0:49:46.680 I wouldn't say steep, No, it was there was it 0:49:46.719 --> 0:49:48.480 was you know, it was a big hill, but not 0:49:48.880 --> 0:49:50.719 overly steep. I can I have it all plotted on 0:49:50.719 --> 0:49:51.440 an on X seconds. 0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:53.000 It's got a mature timber on it. Yep. 0:49:53.320 --> 0:49:58.200 Yeah, lots of down trees. So I'm at this point 0:49:58.320 --> 0:50:01.920 at the bottom of Segnal Mountain kind of and I'm 0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:04.160 like in this weird valley and then there's just like 0:50:04.480 --> 0:50:07.480 hill protruding out. And once I get around that hill, 0:50:07.560 --> 0:50:09.120 I see the cub running. 0:50:08.920 --> 0:50:10.359 And you're how far from the car at this point? 0:50:10.440 --> 0:50:12.320 I want to say, fifty to seventy yards? 0:50:12.440 --> 0:50:14.320 Oh you're back at the car. 0:50:14.840 --> 0:50:16.920 No, I'm sorry, I thought you said the cub not 0:50:16.960 --> 0:50:17.279 the car. 0:50:17.400 --> 0:50:18.680 Oh no, no, how far from the car? 0:50:18.800 --> 0:50:23.440 Half a mile? Like point actually point six got you 0:50:23.600 --> 0:50:27.640 just halling ass, halling ass, making noise And I was talking. 0:50:27.400 --> 0:50:30.160 Out loud, but tons of ambient noise as much as 0:50:30.280 --> 0:50:30.800 I wind. 0:50:31.200 --> 0:50:34.040 Yeah, yeah, right right, It's like so the bear didn't 0:50:34.040 --> 0:50:34.239 hear me. 0:50:34.239 --> 0:50:35.640 You were talking a lot. What were you saying? 0:50:37.440 --> 0:50:42.160 I basically was just I was actually more or less 0:50:42.320 --> 0:50:45.480 in the army, like when we march, we sing cadences 0:50:45.560 --> 0:50:50.719 and yeah, so it's it's kind of like it's just 0:50:50.719 --> 0:50:52.840 something that's always just like grained in my like just 0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:53.760 sinched in my mind. 0:50:53.840 --> 0:50:56.400 So you know, just give give me a sample cadence. 0:50:57.000 --> 0:50:58.560 I don't know the one you're doing. I just want 0:50:58.560 --> 0:51:00.920 to sample cast so naughty. 0:51:00.880 --> 0:51:04.799 No, no, no, like not like the old I can't say 0:51:04.840 --> 0:51:08.600 that one nevermind. No, just like there's some like uh, 0:51:09.400 --> 0:51:11.319 airborne ones. So you just be like, I hear the 0:51:11.360 --> 0:51:14.560 choppers hovering, they're hovering overhead. They come to get the wounded. 0:51:14.560 --> 0:51:15.760 They've come to get the dead. 0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:18.280 Gotcha, you know so that sounds more like a shandy 0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:19.279 yeah kind of. 0:51:20.880 --> 0:51:22.839 So anyway, I just kind of just doing that and 0:51:22.920 --> 0:51:24.400 just talking out loud. 0:51:24.960 --> 0:51:26.120 Thinking about bears. 0:51:26.239 --> 0:51:29.160 Absolutely, I was bears were a big concern for me, 0:51:29.400 --> 0:51:31.960 Like not that I like I was overly afraid of them. 0:51:32.000 --> 0:51:33.920 I just was like, I know we're going to see them. 0:51:33.960 --> 0:51:37.280 You're not baranoid, you're better aware, right, Yeah, totally. 0:51:38.760 --> 0:51:41.520 I was just thinking about them, and I knew they 0:51:41.560 --> 0:51:44.520 existed out there and it was their home. And so 0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:47.160 I see this cub running about fifty yards ahead of me, 0:51:47.239 --> 0:51:50.799 and I was like, fuck running the other way, yeah, 0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:52.640 running away, And I was like, I know, Mom's got 0:51:52.640 --> 0:51:54.640 to be nearby. And so the first thing I did 0:51:54.719 --> 0:51:56.680 was I took my bear spray out. And a lot 0:51:56.719 --> 0:51:58.360 of people are like, oh, I bet you wish you 0:51:58.400 --> 0:52:01.600 had a ten millimeter or this, blah blah blah. Sure, 0:52:02.040 --> 0:52:03.880 I always I always feel a little better when I 0:52:03.880 --> 0:52:07.719 have a gun on me. However, in this situation, it 0:52:08.040 --> 0:52:10.640 just wouldn't have worked by the time I saw that. 0:52:10.800 --> 0:52:13.319 When I saw the cub having the bear spray out 0:52:13.640 --> 0:52:16.600 pulling the safety off, within three seconds, Mom was on. 0:52:16.680 --> 0:52:19.160 Me, all right, let me let let's back up, not 0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:20.440 back up, but I just want to I want to 0:52:20.440 --> 0:52:24.960 talk about this three seconds realkod you like, you register 0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:28.440 a cup running fifty yards away. You know it's a 0:52:28.480 --> 0:52:30.080 grizzly oh yeah, just something about it? 0:52:30.080 --> 0:52:32.040 Oh yeah, okay, and. 0:52:31.920 --> 0:52:34.840 You without it, without without hearing or seeing anything of 0:52:34.880 --> 0:52:38.839 the sow. You know, you just spooked a cup and 0:52:38.880 --> 0:52:40.320 you pull your bear spray out. 0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:42.239 Absolutely and you throw the safety on the spray I 0:52:42.280 --> 0:52:44.880 was trying to Yeah, okay, so this is all like 0:52:45.160 --> 0:52:48.239 super fast, right, and then what's the very next thing? 0:52:48.280 --> 0:52:49.240 You register. 0:52:50.880 --> 0:52:53.200 Mom's eyes at what distance? 0:52:53.719 --> 0:52:56.080 A couple of feet a couple of feet. 0:52:56.080 --> 0:52:58.520 Coming straight at you or from the side. 0:52:58.719 --> 0:53:01.440 Just diagonally to my left, so just barely like in 0:53:01.440 --> 0:53:06.440 my ten o'clock a few feet ye, And as soon 0:53:06.480 --> 0:53:10.239 as I saw her, your attention on that cub, right, yeah, 0:53:10.320 --> 0:53:11.239 so I was looking at the cub. 0:53:11.320 --> 0:53:14.839 You could have potentially been looking over the top of Mom's. 0:53:14.520 --> 0:53:23.279 Back and uh so I think she was already charging me. 0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:25.120 I just did it, like I said, was windy. 0:53:24.960 --> 0:53:26.680 Like if that cub hadn't been that, you probably would 0:53:26.680 --> 0:53:29.600 have picked up something. Yeah, yeah, you'd have picked up movement. 0:53:29.760 --> 0:53:31.759 Yeah, yeah, I think so. I was just so gave you. 0:53:34.760 --> 0:53:34.840 So. 0:53:34.920 --> 0:53:37.320 I think part of the issue was they were actually 0:53:37.320 --> 0:53:39.279 walking towards me, and I was walking towards them at 0:53:39.280 --> 0:53:43.760 one point. And I can reiterate on that after after 0:53:43.800 --> 0:53:49.799 post attack. So I remember her amber eyes like they're 0:53:49.880 --> 0:53:51.799 just they're in my head for the rest of my life. 0:53:51.800 --> 0:53:53.480 And I know you were talking about your bear encounter 0:53:53.560 --> 0:53:55.759 and how it really affected you for a long time. 0:53:56.480 --> 0:53:58.600 I closed my eyes and I see your eyes and 0:54:00.200 --> 0:54:03.160 I just kind of as she jumped up, I just said, 0:54:03.520 --> 0:54:08.160 no bear, no bear, and I I just knew I 0:54:08.160 --> 0:54:10.120 didn't have time to just spray, I guess. 0:54:10.239 --> 0:54:12.279 So when she jumped up, what what did it seem 0:54:12.400 --> 0:54:17.440 like she was coming at just like generally you kay? 0:54:17.520 --> 0:54:20.000 Yeah, just she was just gonna hit whatever part of 0:54:20.000 --> 0:54:22.680 me she could hit with her paws. Yeah, I'm not 0:54:22.719 --> 0:54:25.839 even sure. I mean her her muzzle is right there 0:54:25.880 --> 0:54:26.280 and everything. 0:54:26.719 --> 0:54:30.640 Was it a mouth open? Yeah, So she's coming at you? Yeah? 0:54:30.719 --> 0:54:35.360 Yeah, And so I just like reading the kioski and when. 0:54:35.200 --> 0:54:40.799 You when you think about it, you're standing, Okay, how 0:54:42.920 --> 0:54:45.680 when she's on the ground on all fours, where is 0:54:45.680 --> 0:54:46.879 her back on you? 0:54:47.320 --> 0:54:51.920 It's hard to say. I was so fixated on her face. 0:54:56.160 --> 0:54:58.040 I don't, I don't. I can't put a size on that. 0:54:58.120 --> 0:54:59.960 But I know when she got on her hind leg 0:55:00.239 --> 0:55:01.080 she was taller than me. 0:55:01.760 --> 0:55:01.960 Yeah. 0:55:02.640 --> 0:55:05.120 So so you kind of went from like looking at 0:55:05.560 --> 0:55:07.239 or even down maybe. 0:55:06.880 --> 0:55:10.360 Down, definitely down on down. And when she jumped, she 0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:12.920 got kind of like it was like more of a pounce, 0:55:12.960 --> 0:55:17.400 but she was definitely taller than me. And I reverted 0:55:17.520 --> 0:55:20.600 back to the signs outside the trails. It's like if 0:55:20.640 --> 0:55:23.319 you are getting attacked by a bear, get down, lay 0:55:23.360 --> 0:55:27.759 down on your belly and cover your your neck with 0:55:27.800 --> 0:55:32.880 your hands and keeping your arteries clear, you know, protected, 0:55:33.440 --> 0:55:36.680 and just waited out and try to play dead. Uh. 0:55:38.200 --> 0:55:40.000 I'll tell you what that first bite on the shoulder 0:55:40.040 --> 0:55:41.919 which ended up you know, I didn't know at the time, 0:55:42.000 --> 0:55:45.200 but she broke my shoulder and I have a complete 0:55:45.520 --> 0:55:47.120 what's it called this? 0:55:48.719 --> 0:55:48.839 Oh? 0:55:49.040 --> 0:55:53.880 Sorry, you have a displaced displace fracture? You're a Roman. 0:55:54.400 --> 0:55:57.040 Yeah, that bite I'm not have. 0:55:57.120 --> 0:56:00.000 I couldn't tell you or blow Yeah, I couldn't tell you. 0:56:00.320 --> 0:56:02.920 But that's where she tackled me. Simultaneously, as I started 0:56:02.920 --> 0:56:06.160 to like turn and get down, that's when she jumped 0:56:06.239 --> 0:56:11.799 on my back. She bit my shoulder, She bit down 0:56:11.880 --> 0:56:15.960 through my so canine went down through my trap and 0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:18.880 then her lower mandible canine went up into my lat 0:56:19.120 --> 0:56:21.239 and so I have like pretty good gash on my 0:56:21.360 --> 0:56:25.480 lat The puncture in my trap was just crazy as 0:56:25.520 --> 0:56:26.560 like really really deep. 0:56:29.440 --> 0:56:30.879 Her canine bang right. 0:56:31.000 --> 0:56:34.239 Yeah, So she took me to the ground and she 0:56:34.320 --> 0:56:37.560 kind of like flopped and I flopped like trotten in 0:56:37.560 --> 0:56:40.479 front of me. Turned around. I screamed from the first bite. 0:56:40.640 --> 0:56:42.399 Well, and she did what now, Like like. 0:56:42.840 --> 0:56:45.520 When she tackled me, she kept running after she hit me, 0:56:45.560 --> 0:56:47.560 she kept running in front of me, and then she 0:56:47.719 --> 0:56:49.799 just did a one eighty and stepped on my back. 0:56:49.840 --> 0:56:52.320 And I've never felt more powerless in my entire life. 0:56:52.560 --> 0:56:55.680 It was almost like world wrestling, like a little victory 0:56:55.719 --> 0:56:56.520 lap after. 0:56:58.320 --> 0:56:58.879 I got him. 0:56:58.960 --> 0:57:01.680 And then when she blew through you and did that bite, 0:57:01.719 --> 0:57:03.840 did it linger or was it just like a pass 0:57:03.920 --> 0:57:05.160 through um? 0:57:06.280 --> 0:57:08.920 She didn't grab yet shake. 0:57:09.000 --> 0:57:13.160 I don't think she did. I don't know. I think 0:57:13.320 --> 0:57:15.000 there would have been more damage if she shook. But 0:57:15.080 --> 0:57:20.240 also she did break my shoulder, so maybe so when 0:57:20.240 --> 0:57:22.840 she stepped on my back, she just like bit one 0:57:22.880 --> 0:57:26.320 of my legs, and I was like, I just basically 0:57:26.360 --> 0:57:29.360 started just putting my face in a dirt and shaking 0:57:29.400 --> 0:57:31.640 my face in a dirt, trying to like muffle as 0:57:31.720 --> 0:57:35.840 much of my groaning and screaming as I could. So 0:57:35.880 --> 0:57:37.400 she bit me a few times. I couldn't tell you 0:57:37.440 --> 0:57:40.760 which leg at what point. I do believe the last 0:57:40.760 --> 0:57:43.120 bite in my leg was my right one, and that 0:57:43.240 --> 0:57:46.120 was the worst one because she had actually picked me 0:57:46.240 --> 0:57:49.360 up from my legs and I just basically was planking 0:57:49.440 --> 0:57:51.040 in her mouth. I was trying to stay as stiff 0:57:51.040 --> 0:57:53.240 as possible so she couldn't. She would have a harder 0:57:53.280 --> 0:57:55.240 time rolling me over and getting to my vitals. 0:57:58.040 --> 0:58:02.840 God thinking on his feet again, amazing, Yeah, jose a grizzly. 0:58:03.400 --> 0:58:04.920 It was a big planker. But I don't know you 0:58:05.360 --> 0:58:06.760 thinking about that in that moment. 0:58:07.120 --> 0:58:10.640 It was I just I remember just telling myself, just 0:58:10.640 --> 0:58:15.440 shut up, shut up, stay as stiff as possible. But 0:58:15.520 --> 0:58:18.560 I think, like at this point, the last bite she 0:58:19.360 --> 0:58:22.560 I swear to it hurts so bad that I let 0:58:22.600 --> 0:58:24.200 out like another loud scream. 0:58:24.520 --> 0:58:27.360 Were you like stretched out or curled. 0:58:27.040 --> 0:58:29.440 Up, stretched out, laying down what we in the military 0:58:29.440 --> 0:58:35.160 would call prone, like laying you know you're taking a. 0:58:33.480 --> 0:58:37.200 Laying down shot, right, yeah, yep. Meanwhile, Chloe's back the car, 0:58:37.280 --> 0:58:40.360 being like every time, every time it's an hour, an 0:58:40.440 --> 0:58:41.600 hour turns into. 0:58:41.360 --> 0:58:45.840 Two an hour for an hour and fifteen minutes. 0:58:45.960 --> 0:58:46.640 All too after. 0:58:47.080 --> 0:58:49.280 That is so true. She's a She's a saint. 0:58:49.920 --> 0:58:51.840 Do I tell them about the text message? 0:58:52.520 --> 0:58:54.920 I mean, you can because he said that yet or not? 0:58:55.240 --> 0:58:58.080 No, No, maybe we'll get that closure. 0:58:58.400 --> 0:59:02.920 We'll get that in a second. Okay, So anyway, uh, 0:59:03.320 --> 0:59:06.960 I'm pretty sure like her one of her canines had 0:59:07.000 --> 0:59:09.240 like tickled my femur and that's why I just got 0:59:09.400 --> 0:59:15.280 so pain. Yeah, and so she dropped me and it 0:59:15.320 --> 0:59:16.000 was just like, uh. 0:59:16.200 --> 0:59:17.960 Well did she have you off the ground a little bit? 0:59:18.040 --> 0:59:21.640 Yeah? Yeah, she just left me up by the leg, 0:59:21.800 --> 0:59:23.920 by the leg my my face was still on the 0:59:23.960 --> 0:59:24.440 ground though. 0:59:24.680 --> 0:59:25.280 Yeah. 0:59:25.320 --> 0:59:27.520 And when I screamed from. 0:59:27.320 --> 0:59:28.439 How much do you think you weigh? 0:59:28.640 --> 0:59:29.160 Do I weigh? 0:59:29.320 --> 0:59:29.520 Yeah? 0:59:30.720 --> 0:59:35.040 Okay yeah, and she was probably three eighty four hundred, So. 0:59:35.040 --> 0:59:37.720 Now I think you would kick my eyes even with 0:59:37.760 --> 0:59:39.760 all the all the. 0:59:39.720 --> 0:59:42.840 Disabilities, you're just gonna keep thinking the whole way. 0:59:43.960 --> 0:59:44.160 Yeah. 0:59:44.880 --> 0:59:47.280 Uh so yeah, she dropped me and it was just 0:59:47.320 --> 0:59:50.760 like I don't describe it, but it was just like 0:59:50.800 --> 0:59:57.840 a I don't know, just nonchalantly just dropped me and 0:59:57.880 --> 1:00:01.800 then just stepped on my back again like she's casual, right, 1:00:02.080 --> 1:00:06.760 just like this motherfucker's dead, like he's I'm gonna get Yeah. 1:00:06.960 --> 1:00:09.160 Well she was like she's like I'm gonna put you down. 1:00:09.240 --> 1:00:10.840 Now. Does she vocalize it all? 1:00:12.440 --> 1:00:15.200 Yeah, but it's hard to describe. It was just like 1:00:15.960 --> 1:00:17.920 I mean, you've you've heard him like that like pant 1:00:17.960 --> 1:00:21.320 that they have, Like yeah, well, like it was. 1:00:21.280 --> 1:00:25.439 That so no crazy like barking. 1:00:25.680 --> 1:00:28.880 Not at all, just like a yeah, it's I can't 1:00:28.880 --> 1:00:31.800 describe it, but it's like that normal like if you 1:00:31.840 --> 1:00:33.800 hear too gris like if you watch a documentary two 1:00:33.800 --> 1:00:38.520 grizzlies fighting or something like that. So that like I 1:00:38.800 --> 1:00:41.280 screamed pretty loud from that, she drops me, and. 1:00:41.360 --> 1:00:44.200 She doesn't seem to be uh after this, she doesn't 1:00:44.200 --> 1:00:46.800 seem to be Like it's a hard question to ask, 1:00:46.840 --> 1:00:51.080 but does she seem like jacked up and pumped up? Oh, 1:00:51.120 --> 1:00:54.040 she griled up and like stiff legged, and. 1:00:54.080 --> 1:00:56.480 Yeah, it was so dude, it was so violent, Okay, 1:00:56.640 --> 1:00:59.840 like she want like she wanted me dead. But it's 1:01:00.000 --> 1:01:01.480 easy because like the more I look at my wound, 1:01:01.520 --> 1:01:05.439 like my scars, now, I'm like, you know, this could 1:01:05.440 --> 1:01:08.280 have been so much worse, like just bit you on 1:01:08.320 --> 1:01:11.440 the head and killed And the fact that like she 1:01:11.480 --> 1:01:16.240 didn't just completely rip like grapefruit size chunks out of 1:01:16.240 --> 1:01:18.920 my thigh, Like I just I don't understand why and 1:01:18.960 --> 1:01:19.680 how she bit me. 1:01:19.840 --> 1:01:21.840 We had a shed hunter get killed that far from 1:01:21.880 --> 1:01:23.920 your couple. I read about that and then. 1:01:25.960 --> 1:01:28.480 I talked to someone who'd done an investigation on that, 1:01:28.560 --> 1:01:31.080 and they just they felt that it was instant, like 1:01:31.120 --> 1:01:32.600 I don't know, I never got I don't know what 1:01:32.600 --> 1:01:34.160 the injury was, but then it was instant. 1:01:34.200 --> 1:01:37.720 So yeah, I mean that one bite, right, could that 1:01:37.760 --> 1:01:38.760 one bite in the right spot? 1:01:38.840 --> 1:01:42.840 Just yeah, I'm so damn lucky she didn't get in 1:01:42.920 --> 1:01:45.240 any of my my leg arteries or anything like that. 1:01:46.280 --> 1:01:48.280 So now she's standing on top of you again. 1:01:49.320 --> 1:01:51.000 And so I had screamed. 1:01:50.560 --> 1:01:53.040 Like placing her front feet on you, Yeah, at least 1:01:53.080 --> 1:01:56.640 one like a like pining you down or anything, and uh. 1:01:56.840 --> 1:01:58.080 Wave into the crowd like this. 1:01:58.520 --> 1:02:03.680 Yeah, so that's when she went to bite. You know, 1:02:03.720 --> 1:02:05.640 I suspect would have been my neck in my head. 1:02:06.320 --> 1:02:10.360 She obviously she got my hand, my right. 1:02:10.160 --> 1:02:13.840 Hand here and see your back, I see your back, Yeah, we. 1:02:13.800 --> 1:02:18.440 Can show you after. And then she got that behind me. Watch. 1:02:18.600 --> 1:02:24.080 So that's some teeth, yes, those yeah, yeah, those are 1:02:24.080 --> 1:02:24.560 bite marks. 1:02:24.560 --> 1:02:25.880 Do you have claw marks all over you? 1:02:26.200 --> 1:02:29.920 Just a little, but those have healed like they're scarred, 1:02:30.040 --> 1:02:33.840 but they're not as deep as you would expect for orange 1:02:33.800 --> 1:02:38.280 claws to cut you. Yeah, so she uh, she went 1:02:38.320 --> 1:02:41.920 for the head and thankfully, I still had the bear 1:02:41.960 --> 1:02:44.080 spray in my hand. So you're holding the spray the 1:02:44.080 --> 1:02:47.080 whole time. Yeah, unbeknownst to me. Honestly, I didn't even 1:02:47.080 --> 1:02:50.439 know I still had it. So when she bit down 1:02:51.080 --> 1:02:53.400 at this point, I wasn't feeling So the. 1:02:53.320 --> 1:02:55.360 Bear sprays in your hand and you're still trying to 1:02:55.400 --> 1:02:57.200 protect your back, right yep. 1:02:57.440 --> 1:02:58.960 So just trying to protect the back of my neck 1:02:59.000 --> 1:03:00.000 and my neck and my head. 1:03:00.240 --> 1:03:03.000 Is your finger through the ring yep? Got it? Yep? 1:03:03.200 --> 1:03:06.680 And so she bit down, like I said, she got 1:03:06.680 --> 1:03:09.760 my wrist in my hand and then she got a 1:03:09.800 --> 1:03:10.680 mouthful of the can. 1:03:11.080 --> 1:03:14.760 So when I paused, you want said, sure we had 1:03:14.800 --> 1:03:16.439 a person, not we had a girl on one time 1:03:16.480 --> 1:03:17.040 that got mold. 1:03:17.280 --> 1:03:18.680 H Oh. 1:03:18.920 --> 1:03:21.200 She got tore up pretty good. But she was in 1:03:21.240 --> 1:03:26.280 the same situation where she's down and it's biting here 1:03:26.360 --> 1:03:30.600 on her back, and she's holding it and just sprays 1:03:30.640 --> 1:03:34.160 it in the face while it's biting her. 1:03:34.840 --> 1:03:35.720 And that's what saved her. 1:03:35.920 --> 1:03:38.000 It just happened like had the spray in her chest 1:03:38.040 --> 1:03:40.640 and just is able to do like a blind shot 1:03:41.160 --> 1:03:42.160 over her shoulder. 1:03:42.920 --> 1:03:44.959 That's incredible, and got it had dropped her. 1:03:46.480 --> 1:03:50.000 Did you ever go through your mind to try to 1:03:50.240 --> 1:03:52.320 discharge the spray. 1:03:52.480 --> 1:03:55.120 I didn't even know it's still holding it. So yeah, 1:03:55.240 --> 1:03:57.400 it wasn't an instinctual thing at that point. 1:03:57.560 --> 1:04:00.760 Oh yeah, all this has happened within like ten seconds. 1:04:00.840 --> 1:04:03.000 Yeah, right, How many seconds do you think at this point? 1:04:03.040 --> 1:04:06.200 I think the whole attack was probably sixty to one 1:04:06.280 --> 1:04:09.720 hundred and twenty seconds. Oh so maybe two minutes tops. Yeah. 1:04:10.040 --> 1:04:12.960 So once she hit you were like, I mean, you 1:04:12.960 --> 1:04:14.320 said it a bunch of times, real clear, but just 1:04:14.360 --> 1:04:18.680 reiterating like you're holding it and gripping the spray, but 1:04:18.720 --> 1:04:20.640 you forgot about you're gonna Yeah, I shoot this thing 1:04:20.640 --> 1:04:20.840 with the. 1:04:20.800 --> 1:04:23.040 B I just had the ring only, and so it 1:04:23.120 --> 1:04:25.200 was kind of like sticking up dagony up with the 1:04:25.200 --> 1:04:29.560 bottom of you know, facing up. So when she bit 1:04:29.720 --> 1:04:32.720 down and I heard the pop, I was like, that's 1:04:32.720 --> 1:04:36.000 your skull, dude, like she's she's got you. And then 1:04:36.040 --> 1:04:37.880 I felt the warm sensation go down my back. 1:04:37.960 --> 1:04:39.240 When you say heard the pop, what do you mean? 1:04:40.120 --> 1:04:43.000 So the can popped because it's pressurized. So when she 1:04:43.080 --> 1:04:44.480 bit down, it okay. 1:04:44.280 --> 1:04:46.320 I'm sorry, I got it, so, but did you know 1:04:46.400 --> 1:04:49.520 that it was the can? It took a second so 1:04:49.760 --> 1:04:51.720 I would originally thought it was part of you. 1:04:51.720 --> 1:04:53.440 That's what I thought. I thought it was my probably 1:04:53.440 --> 1:04:53.880 my skull. 1:04:54.160 --> 1:04:54.720 I was in. 1:04:54.680 --> 1:04:58.840 A vehicle roll over one time coming back from hunting 1:04:59.240 --> 1:05:01.920 and I just got a coffee at a gas station 1:05:02.760 --> 1:05:05.240 and we ended up hanging upside down the seat belts 1:05:06.320 --> 1:05:08.600 and I'm like and I thought, I was like, oh, 1:05:08.640 --> 1:05:11.720 it's all my blood running out of my head. And 1:05:11.760 --> 1:05:13.680 I remember touching the back of my hair and looking 1:05:13.720 --> 1:05:14.120 at my hand. 1:05:14.160 --> 1:05:15.960 There was no blood there. 1:05:16.680 --> 1:05:22.040 It's not coming coffee, nothing wrong, nothing wrong whatsoever. For 1:05:22.160 --> 1:05:26.560 this one second, I'm like, oh, no, my life's blood. 1:05:27.360 --> 1:05:32.200 Yeah, so so pam pop yep. And I my initial 1:05:32.600 --> 1:05:35.120 thought was like, oh ship, she just popped you in 1:05:35.160 --> 1:05:39.760 the head, like your your skulls open and I felt 1:05:39.760 --> 1:05:42.840 warmth going down my back and my blood I thought 1:05:42.920 --> 1:05:47.040 was blood and uh then I heard her panting and 1:05:47.080 --> 1:05:49.680 running away and I was like, I was like, wait 1:05:49.720 --> 1:05:51.840 what And so I got. 1:05:51.680 --> 1:05:53.840 Up, like and what noise? What noise is she making 1:05:54.360 --> 1:05:58.120 just the same like okay, so not a different in 1:05:58.240 --> 1:05:58.880 pain noise. 1:05:59.440 --> 1:06:01.920 She just like I mean, I don't want to describe 1:06:01.920 --> 1:06:04.080 it as sneezing, but like it was just like she 1:06:04.200 --> 1:06:07.120 was very uncomfortable and couldn't breathe properly. I guess I 1:06:07.160 --> 1:06:12.600 don't know. And I heard her thumping running away and 1:06:12.640 --> 1:06:18.200 then that so I was like, you're alive, and I 1:06:18.240 --> 1:06:19.960 got up in the push up position. I saw her 1:06:20.040 --> 1:06:21.520 running up the hill that her cub ran. 1:06:21.520 --> 1:06:24.600 Up, and she went in the direction of her cob. 1:06:24.840 --> 1:06:28.360 Yeah, I'm ninety nine percent sure. It was very disoriented 1:06:28.360 --> 1:06:29.240 and regardless. 1:06:29.280 --> 1:06:32.560 But so. 1:06:34.360 --> 1:06:36.320 After she ran away, I got up and I ran 1:06:36.320 --> 1:06:37.200 the opposite direction. 1:06:37.480 --> 1:06:38.600 You were still able to run? 1:06:38.680 --> 1:06:41.320 Yeah, I ran, I want to say, almost half a mile. 1:06:41.600 --> 1:06:43.160 Now, how are you not full of spray? 1:06:43.600 --> 1:06:46.320 I am. I'll show you the picture after But. 1:06:46.280 --> 1:06:47.240 I mean, are you blinded? 1:06:47.400 --> 1:06:50.800 Nope, it didn't infect my eyes whatsoever. I don't know 1:06:50.840 --> 1:06:51.880 how or why, because. 1:06:51.640 --> 1:06:54.280 They've pulled that part of your brain out probably right, 1:06:55.160 --> 1:06:56.000 they also nick. 1:06:58.360 --> 1:06:58.680 Eyes. 1:06:59.440 --> 1:07:02.360 The backs already combines to make your super power. Yeah, 1:07:02.880 --> 1:07:04.200 while I was in there, I did you a favor. 1:07:05.240 --> 1:07:09.920 So was it in your nose and mouth? 1:07:10.760 --> 1:07:12.840 Yeah, I'll show you a good picture after hand. 1:07:13.040 --> 1:07:16.120 But when that can went, did it dribble or did 1:07:16.160 --> 1:07:18.800 it poof? Okay? Yep? 1:07:20.640 --> 1:07:22.760 And so when I got up and started running. 1:07:22.520 --> 1:07:25.120 Her teeth went through the can. Who's got the can? 1:07:25.200 --> 1:07:26.959 Now? National Park? 1:07:27.720 --> 1:07:28.439 Are you get in the back? 1:07:28.640 --> 1:07:28.720 No? 1:07:29.160 --> 1:07:29.480 Why not? 1:07:29.560 --> 1:07:32.480 They gave me the holster back because you DAP. Thank 1:07:32.520 --> 1:07:35.360 you, you DAP for saving my life. You DAP comes with 1:07:35.440 --> 1:07:37.560 a holster like a plastic holes. 1:07:37.680 --> 1:07:38.520 You need the can? 1:07:40.280 --> 1:07:40.800 I don't need it. 1:07:42.440 --> 1:07:44.280 Can we get it for our auction house of bodities? 1:07:44.680 --> 1:07:47.480 I mean, do you want to contact I have the can? 1:07:47.560 --> 1:07:48.919 Why would they be able to have your can? 1:07:49.080 --> 1:07:49.480 I don't know. 1:07:50.520 --> 1:07:52.240 Did they request to keep it? 1:07:52.400 --> 1:07:55.479 They did not, but it never crossed my mind. 1:07:55.600 --> 1:07:57.919 You got a can with a bear's teeth holes in it. 1:07:59.560 --> 1:08:01.240 And not just like a random one you found. 1:08:02.000 --> 1:08:04.160 They saved your life. 1:08:04.080 --> 1:08:08.000 Yeah, I got lots of beare teeth holes because I 1:08:08.000 --> 1:08:09.880 always bite our polly pipe and our cav. 1:08:10.040 --> 1:08:11.400 I mean, no one cares about. 1:08:11.120 --> 1:08:15.919 That, but uh, you gotta get that can we put 1:08:15.920 --> 1:08:17.880 the auction House of Bodies, I. 1:08:17.840 --> 1:08:20.040 Mean or whatever you can? Or he could keep it. 1:08:21.360 --> 1:08:21.800 I don't know what. 1:08:22.400 --> 1:08:25.040 They can go to action and someone's interested. 1:08:24.680 --> 1:08:26.200 About your old staples. 1:08:28.360 --> 1:08:29.760 That they took your can? 1:08:30.120 --> 1:08:32.880 Yeah, uh so they took all my clothes. 1:08:32.880 --> 1:08:34.080 They actually take your can? 1:08:34.400 --> 1:08:34.800 I don't know. 1:08:36.840 --> 1:08:39.479 Gets off the damn mountain I've been holding my bread 1:08:39.560 --> 1:08:41.599 here and a half to three minutes. 1:08:41.760 --> 1:08:45.840 So she runs, She runs, iron pepper sprayed. Yep. 1:08:45.920 --> 1:08:49.280 I mean, is there any with all the pain from 1:08:49.280 --> 1:08:52.400 the biting? Are you registering like an intense stinging? 1:08:53.800 --> 1:08:54.120 No? 1:08:54.280 --> 1:08:56.280 What do you? What are you registering? Are you like? 1:08:57.600 --> 1:08:59.880 Are you are you thinking? I'm so injured I'm gonna die. 1:09:00.080 --> 1:09:01.800 I can't believe how uninjured I am. 1:09:01.920 --> 1:09:03.760 I looked at my hand and I was like, if 1:09:03.880 --> 1:09:06.840 my hand looks like that, then I don't want to 1:09:06.880 --> 1:09:07.840 know what the rest of me looks like. 1:09:07.960 --> 1:09:09.880 So you're probably just going on adrenaline. 1:09:09.960 --> 1:09:12.880 Yeah, so you knew what way to run? 1:09:13.560 --> 1:09:17.200 Yeah? Why stopped the direction of the bears the best? 1:09:17.439 --> 1:09:21.080 So didn't you didn't go toward the truck? No, the van? No, 1:09:21.240 --> 1:09:22.360 I just were getting out of there. 1:09:22.400 --> 1:09:24.720 I was just getting too safely clearing because I knew 1:09:24.760 --> 1:09:26.760 I was I knew I was bleeding pretty bad. The 1:09:26.800 --> 1:09:29.320 back of my pants were completely red. I didn't get 1:09:29.320 --> 1:09:32.679 any good pictures. I'll share the video, which I took 1:09:34.040 --> 1:09:36.519 just in case I did die. I'm happy to share 1:09:36.560 --> 1:09:38.680 that offline, but that's something that I think is a 1:09:38.680 --> 1:09:42.400 little too intimate share the public. There's you get a 1:09:42.439 --> 1:09:45.040 little glimpse of my my butt and not physically but 1:09:45.200 --> 1:09:50.519 like the blood amount of blood on my backside. When 1:09:50.560 --> 1:09:53.040 I started running, there was this big pilos like there's 1:09:53.080 --> 1:09:56.320 some leftover snow from the winter. And as I'm running 1:09:56.360 --> 1:09:58.400 through that, I see the grizzly tracks in there. So 1:09:58.439 --> 1:10:00.680 that is what fuels my high po athesis that they 1:10:00.680 --> 1:10:01.880 were walking towards me at the time. 1:10:02.200 --> 1:10:02.599 Got it? 1:10:04.080 --> 1:10:06.040 So I run up to started running up the top 1:10:06.080 --> 1:10:07.760 of this hill. I have it all saved on on 1:10:08.080 --> 1:10:11.559 X so we can like I don't remember how much 1:10:11.680 --> 1:10:14.000 elevation I gained, but it was almost half a mile, 1:10:14.080 --> 1:10:14.840 I believe. 1:10:15.920 --> 1:10:18.960 Looking back on it. Now, were you going? Were you? 1:10:20.320 --> 1:10:22.400 I know you're going away from the bear? Are you 1:10:22.560 --> 1:10:24.559 also going away from the vehicle? 1:10:24.680 --> 1:10:27.800 Yes? Okay, yeah, I ended up almost a full mile 1:10:27.840 --> 1:10:28.800 from the parking lot. 1:10:29.439 --> 1:10:32.840 So you put that and then as you're running, at 1:10:32.880 --> 1:10:35.400 what point did you did did you feel like you 1:10:35.479 --> 1:10:37.720 got back to your normal self or is it not 1:10:37.840 --> 1:10:41.320 hitting yet? Like were your normal, rational, logical self. 1:10:42.160 --> 1:10:45.040 So that happened maybe after being on the phone with 1:10:45.120 --> 1:10:49.720 Chloe for five seconds. So once I started running up 1:10:49.720 --> 1:10:52.400 the hill, I just remember like I still had all 1:10:52.479 --> 1:10:54.120 my I didn't have a lot of gear at me. 1:10:54.160 --> 1:10:58.479 I just had an extra lens, my camera, a fanny pack, 1:10:58.520 --> 1:11:02.200 and then my my binoharnes. My camera weighs about seven 1:11:02.240 --> 1:11:05.280 or eight pounds. That thing was just dangling between my legs, 1:11:05.320 --> 1:11:08.880 hitting me, bouncing off everything. I had to climb over 1:11:08.920 --> 1:11:12.160 a bunch of down trees, basically hurtling over the trees. 1:11:13.760 --> 1:11:18.240 And I had checked my phone and realized that all 1:11:18.280 --> 1:11:20.320 of a sudden, I have three g and I was like, wait, 1:11:20.360 --> 1:11:23.520 I'm at service in three days since being out here. Basically, 1:11:24.360 --> 1:11:26.200 I'm gonna call my wife and tell her I love 1:11:26.240 --> 1:11:29.000 her and that you know what. I called her to 1:11:29.000 --> 1:11:31.679 tell her what happened and that I love you, because 1:11:31.720 --> 1:11:37.120 I don't know what's going to happen. So I text her, Well, 1:11:37.160 --> 1:11:39.120 I called her. It didn't go through for some reason. 1:11:39.160 --> 1:11:42.439 Then I text her just one word attacked, and then 1:11:42.560 --> 1:11:44.320 she called me right back as soon as I sent 1:11:44.360 --> 1:11:47.120 that text, and so I picked up attacked. 1:11:47.479 --> 1:11:49.000 Yep, the text didn't go through. 1:11:49.800 --> 1:11:52.040 I just saw this initial phone call and was like, 1:11:52.040 --> 1:11:53.000 that's weird that he's calling me. 1:11:53.040 --> 1:11:53.840 And I called him back. 1:11:54.600 --> 1:11:58.960 So I tell her, I'm like hey, I'm like hey, Chloe, 1:11:59.280 --> 1:12:01.360 it happened. I was like, I got attacked by grizzly 1:12:01.640 --> 1:12:05.920 and she didn't even this is the emt in her, 1:12:05.960 --> 1:12:11.400 but like didn't even register any empathy or any form 1:12:11.439 --> 1:12:14.400 of like the only thing she cared about was preserving 1:12:14.439 --> 1:12:17.920 my life. And you know, being in the military, I've 1:12:18.000 --> 1:12:21.559 taken half a dozen what we call combat life saving 1:12:21.600 --> 1:12:26.600 classes and in my career and it's always, no matter what, 1:12:26.680 --> 1:12:28.519 the number one thing is stop the bleed. That's the 1:12:28.520 --> 1:12:35.200 most important thing. Well, obviously making your situation situations safe first, 1:12:35.439 --> 1:12:38.679 but secondaries stop the bleed. If you're conscious, you always 1:12:38.840 --> 1:12:43.439 work on yourself. So she reminded me, you know, she's like, 1:12:43.479 --> 1:12:44.920 where's your first aid kit. I was like, it's in 1:12:44.920 --> 1:12:47.080 a fucking band And I'm like screaming at her, and 1:12:47.600 --> 1:12:50.599 she's like, all right, just stay calm, Like turnikeuts need 1:12:50.600 --> 1:12:52.160 to improvise. What do you have on you? As like 1:12:52.200 --> 1:12:55.639 I have my backpack, my fanny pack and camera straps 1:12:55.680 --> 1:12:57.519 and she's like okay. Like I was like, She's like, 1:12:57.920 --> 1:13:01.000 start improvising, and I'm like, I need to be safe first. 1:13:01.040 --> 1:13:03.519 I need to get somewhere where I can be safe. 1:13:03.720 --> 1:13:06.160 And so I ran up to the summit of this 1:13:06.200 --> 1:13:10.920 little hill, and then I started assessing, all right, where 1:13:10.920 --> 1:13:12.800 am I bleeding from? And that's when I looked at 1:13:12.840 --> 1:13:16.479 my really looked at my hand. I noticed my underneath 1:13:16.520 --> 1:13:19.280 my watch strap. She bit through my watch strap, and 1:13:19.320 --> 1:13:22.040 I like looked. I lifted my arm up and I 1:13:22.040 --> 1:13:24.200 could see daylight through my strap. So I was like, well, 1:13:24.200 --> 1:13:28.040 that's fucked. I'm just gonna leave that there. And then 1:13:28.080 --> 1:13:31.240 I just like looked behind me. I saw that I 1:13:31.320 --> 1:13:34.760 was bleeding obviously on my backside. I put my hand 1:13:34.800 --> 1:13:37.919 there and it just felt like a steady like drizzle 1:13:37.960 --> 1:13:42.240 of blood and it was extremely warm. I noticed that 1:13:42.280 --> 1:13:45.360 the coloration wasn't It was just like a deep red. 1:13:45.400 --> 1:13:47.439 So I was like, okay, that's not arterial. So I 1:13:47.479 --> 1:13:51.160 think I have more time than I thought. So I 1:13:51.280 --> 1:13:56.559 just laid down, started taking some stuff off, and then 1:13:57.000 --> 1:14:00.679 I started applying the tourniquits. Put too on my right 1:14:00.960 --> 1:14:04.280 left leg, one high and then one lower. 1:14:05.280 --> 1:14:07.639 So you're in triage mode. You're trying to figure out 1:14:07.640 --> 1:14:09.040 what the priority is. Right. 1:14:10.040 --> 1:14:13.880 I felt generally safe, but always was concerned of a 1:14:13.920 --> 1:14:16.920 secondary attack. That's you know what happened to todd Or 1:14:18.479 --> 1:14:20.960 So that was always playing in the back of my mind. 1:14:22.439 --> 1:14:23.680 I apply a second. 1:14:23.400 --> 1:14:25.679 But again, it doesn't matter if you bleed out. 1:14:25.680 --> 1:14:37.880 Right right right at that point I'm talking, I think 1:14:38.040 --> 1:14:40.960 Chloe called me back. She's she's with the ranger. At 1:14:40.960 --> 1:14:43.280 this point, they're asking me where I am trying to 1:14:43.320 --> 1:14:46.679 like send them my great coordinates. Nothing was like accurate 1:14:46.720 --> 1:14:50.479 for some reason. I sent them coordinates from Google that 1:14:51.240 --> 1:14:54.040 sent them like, I don't know how many yards off 1:14:54.280 --> 1:14:56.720 I'm blowing. I have my my rescue whistle at me. 1:14:56.720 --> 1:14:57.639 I'm blowing into that. 1:15:00.360 --> 1:15:02.280 But forty mile an hour wind still right right. 1:15:02.320 --> 1:15:09.840 So yeah, So eventually, uh, nine one one like she was, 1:15:09.960 --> 1:15:11.559 I don't know, she was with the range of rangers. 1:15:11.560 --> 1:15:12.760 Like he needs to call nine to one one and 1:15:12.800 --> 1:15:14.559 get on the phone with the operator so they can 1:15:15.400 --> 1:15:16.640 communicate with the helicopter. 1:15:17.200 --> 1:15:19.479 Yeah, because at that point they had the helicopter in 1:15:19.479 --> 1:15:23.240 the air looking for you, and they wanted to try 1:15:23.320 --> 1:15:26.200 like pinging his phone to off the tower to see. 1:15:26.439 --> 1:15:28.400 You know, how much time is gone by at this point. 1:15:29.120 --> 1:15:32.160 I couldn't tell you at this point, but total from 1:15:32.720 --> 1:15:37.320 when I called her to when I was airlifted was 1:15:37.360 --> 1:15:40.559 a little less than two hours, which is very fast 1:15:40.720 --> 1:15:44.320 all things considered the problem was like in my own head, 1:15:44.360 --> 1:15:46.400 I was like, okay, well I got attacked. I was 1:15:46.840 --> 1:15:50.000 relatively close to the road. I thought I was like 1:15:50.040 --> 1:15:52.559 three hundred yards off the road. Turns out when I 1:15:52.640 --> 1:15:54.519 ran away and now it's a direction, I was like 1:15:54.640 --> 1:15:59.800 nine hundred yards off the road. So they were through 1:15:59.800 --> 1:16:04.720 these technical tech technologily sorry, through these these errors, through 1:16:04.720 --> 1:16:10.879 the systems like my GPS and all that stuff. They 1:16:10.880 --> 1:16:12.880 were having trouble finding me. When I was on the phone. 1:16:12.960 --> 1:16:15.400 The operator basically he's like, all right, can you see 1:16:15.400 --> 1:16:17.760 the helicopter. I was like, yes, I can see the helicopter. 1:16:17.800 --> 1:16:20.360 I was like telling them to stop and go to 1:16:20.400 --> 1:16:22.360 their three o'clock and fly straight, and they're gonna fly 1:16:22.439 --> 1:16:24.960 right over me. And that's what they did. They flew 1:16:25.040 --> 1:16:26.880 right over me. Couldn't see me still, but I was 1:16:26.880 --> 1:16:28.200 obviously on the phone, and I was like, all right, 1:16:28.240 --> 1:16:29.800 they just literally just flew over me. Tell them to 1:16:29.800 --> 1:16:32.960 stop again, and they did it again. I told them, 1:16:32.960 --> 1:16:36.920 you know, they're flying low, yeah, like fifty feet over 1:16:37.520 --> 1:16:39.240 maybe sixty feet over the trees. 1:16:39.360 --> 1:16:40.840 And they flew right over you. Didn't see you? 1:16:41.080 --> 1:16:42.720 Yeah, that's what I was gonna is it? Are you 1:16:42.760 --> 1:16:45.439 still in like pretty timbered snow yep. 1:16:45.680 --> 1:16:49.000 So they flew over to like a clearing and I 1:16:49.040 --> 1:16:51.000 told them to stop and I started waving to them, 1:16:51.479 --> 1:16:52.200 and that's when they. 1:16:52.640 --> 1:16:54.120 You're probably wearing earth tones. 1:16:54.280 --> 1:16:57.439 I am, Unfortunately, if I had, if I was wearing 1:16:57.439 --> 1:17:05.959 my normal pack, I have a orange like signal sheet 1:17:06.080 --> 1:17:08.840 and I have my i fac first aid kit that 1:17:08.960 --> 1:17:12.599 had trauma stuff in it. Like we said, yeah, yeah, I. 1:17:12.560 --> 1:17:13.879 Swear everybody I'm prepared. 1:17:14.520 --> 1:17:18.560 Yeah, just normally normally I am. 1:17:20.840 --> 1:17:22.519 How much stuff we bring with you. 1:17:22.600 --> 1:17:23.000 Yeah. 1:17:23.040 --> 1:17:27.799 So at this point though, right like you're on the ground, 1:17:28.479 --> 1:17:32.160 there's a lot of opportunity for panic. Yeah, like somebody 1:17:32.160 --> 1:17:34.800 doesn't see you right away. You built that up as 1:17:34.880 --> 1:17:38.320 like okay, there I'm getting saved or just talking with 1:17:38.400 --> 1:17:42.640 Chloe and stuff, and like you have to have some 1:17:42.760 --> 1:17:44.920 moments of this isn't gonna work out. 1:17:45.240 --> 1:17:48.760 Oh yeah. I mean when I saw the helicopter, that 1:17:48.840 --> 1:17:54.160 was my first real real relief. But yeah, like I 1:17:54.200 --> 1:17:57.320 would say, at the beginning, I think I think I 1:17:57.360 --> 1:17:59.120 had the TURNI kits on already, or maybe I didn't 1:17:59.120 --> 1:18:00.800 have the turnic kits on, But I made that video 1:18:00.800 --> 1:18:04.080 because I was like, I'm bleeding out like, I don't 1:18:04.080 --> 1:18:05.600 know if I'm gonna make it. I just want my 1:18:05.600 --> 1:18:07.640 family to know like I love them, you know. 1:18:07.960 --> 1:18:11.639 Yeah, And so what is your confidence in your your 1:18:11.720 --> 1:18:14.840 self care so far? Like at this point on the hill, 1:18:14.880 --> 1:18:17.280 are you like I've done everything I can do? 1:18:17.479 --> 1:18:19.639 Yeah? There was a point where I was like, Okay, 1:18:19.800 --> 1:18:23.759 I realized the blood flow is slowing in every spot 1:18:23.760 --> 1:18:29.800 but my back. I had moved once post tourniquet application, 1:18:31.120 --> 1:18:32.960 and there was a lot like so I moved once, 1:18:33.400 --> 1:18:38.360 sat down in a different spot, and then after a 1:18:38.400 --> 1:18:40.320 few minutes I had moved again and I noticed there's 1:18:40.360 --> 1:18:42.679 a lot less blood under me, So that was good. 1:18:44.800 --> 1:18:47.040 So basically at that point I had a. 1:18:48.000 --> 1:18:49.840 And are you thinking about shock though too? 1:18:49.960 --> 1:18:50.200 Yeah? 1:18:50.320 --> 1:18:52.720 That was that was literally where my brain was kind 1:18:52.760 --> 1:18:58.400 of going in that shock in hypothermia is a real concern. Basically, 1:18:58.439 --> 1:19:02.160 the the operator was like, do you have anything to wear? 1:19:02.160 --> 1:19:03.680 And I was like, well, I took my hoodie off 1:19:03.840 --> 1:19:06.360 to absorb some blood. I can put it back on. 1:19:06.520 --> 1:19:08.960 He's like put it back on. I'm like okay. She 1:19:09.200 --> 1:19:12.160 told me to put my elevate my feet so that 1:19:12.200 --> 1:19:14.240 I wanted to pass out because I was never like 1:19:14.680 --> 1:19:16.000 I don't want to say I was ever close to 1:19:16.080 --> 1:19:20.160 fainting and passing out, but there are points in time 1:19:20.160 --> 1:19:26.280 where things did get a little hazy. Yeah, And I 1:19:26.280 --> 1:19:29.479 guess at a certain point, you know, being up there 1:19:29.520 --> 1:19:34.000 for an hour and a half ish, I was feeling like, okay, 1:19:34.040 --> 1:19:35.880 like this has taken to me, it's a really long time. 1:19:35.920 --> 1:19:39.400 Like in retrospect it's not, but to me up there, 1:19:39.439 --> 1:19:41.880 it felt like a lifetime. And I'm just like, O, way, what. 1:19:41.840 --> 1:19:44.720 Are you feeling like because you can't talk to him 1:19:44.720 --> 1:19:46.080 now he's on the phone nine to one one. 1:19:46.320 --> 1:19:51.040 Yeah, yeah, I don't know, it's it was such a 1:19:51.040 --> 1:19:55.840 surreal experience. Like I the first phone call that I 1:19:55.880 --> 1:19:58.080 made to family was to his cousin and she was like, 1:19:58.080 --> 1:19:59.560 how are you feeling? And I was like, honestly, my 1:19:59.640 --> 1:20:03.439 feeling went offline as soon as my husband said, like, 1:20:03.600 --> 1:20:05.400 I've been attacked by a bear, like it. 1:20:05.520 --> 1:20:06.800 Just I don't know. 1:20:06.920 --> 1:20:09.960 I'm I feel like, because of my work as an EMT, 1:20:10.080 --> 1:20:11.560 I'm pretty good at compartmentalizing. 1:20:11.800 --> 1:20:16.200 So were you like looking for him, like with the. 1:20:16.400 --> 1:20:17.639 So that was the worst part. 1:20:18.160 --> 1:20:18.360 Yeah. 1:20:18.800 --> 1:20:21.160 So initially. 1:20:22.600 --> 1:20:25.840 After I called nine one one, I had grabbed my 1:20:25.920 --> 1:20:28.880 bag and my first aid kit, and I was kinda 1:20:29.640 --> 1:20:31.000 in my bear spray and I was kind of like 1:20:31.040 --> 1:20:32.640 pacing in the lot, and I was waiting for the 1:20:32.640 --> 1:20:34.680 first ranger to show up, and I didn't know what 1:20:34.800 --> 1:20:37.760 kind of response we were going to get. So the 1:20:37.800 --> 1:20:42.880 first ranger shows up and and I'm trying my best 1:20:42.960 --> 1:20:45.720 to give him an idea of where Shane might be 1:20:45.760 --> 1:20:47.400 based on like, oh, well, this is where I saw 1:20:47.439 --> 1:20:50.120 him last, but you know, who's to say where he 1:20:50.200 --> 1:20:53.960 is now? But he did send me these coordinates and 1:20:55.439 --> 1:20:59.240 it was funny because the ranger, you know, doing his job, 1:20:59.280 --> 1:21:02.519 doing a great job, was just like great, and he 1:21:02.640 --> 1:21:04.840 just hot back in his truck and drove off, and 1:21:04.880 --> 1:21:07.040 I'm just standing there in the parking lot like what 1:21:07.120 --> 1:21:10.280 and so I yell after him. I'm like to drive 1:21:10.320 --> 1:21:12.880 up Signal Mountain Road to look for Shane, And so 1:21:13.520 --> 1:21:18.120 I yell after him. I'm an EMT, I can help, 1:21:18.120 --> 1:21:20.120 and he goes cool, I'm a paramedic and I'm. 1:21:19.920 --> 1:21:22.519 Like, so you got compartment. 1:21:26.240 --> 1:21:27.960 Yeah, which you know, like I don't know. 1:21:28.040 --> 1:21:29.960 I was talking to some friends after it and they're like, hey, 1:21:30.000 --> 1:21:33.200 you know, when we've been involved with SAR stuff, people 1:21:33.200 --> 1:21:35.320 have just said that they have certain credentials and they 1:21:35.360 --> 1:21:37.680 don't and they end up getting in the way and 1:21:37.800 --> 1:21:43.679 like my whole thing. You know, with training as an EMT, uh, 1:21:43.800 --> 1:21:45.960 you will fail your practicals as an EMT if you 1:21:46.000 --> 1:21:48.760 forget to ask like, oh, is the scene safe? And 1:21:48.840 --> 1:21:53.160 so while one hundred percent I wanted to run into 1:21:53.200 --> 1:21:55.320 the woods and find him, I knew like, well, if 1:21:55.360 --> 1:21:58.679 I run into the bear first, I might be drawing 1:21:58.720 --> 1:22:01.120 away resources that he needs way more than I do, 1:22:01.439 --> 1:22:02.959 or get myself. 1:22:02.800 --> 1:22:06.760 Killed, break your leg right, Yeah, yeah, So it was. 1:22:06.840 --> 1:22:10.800 It was really hard being in the parking lot, just 1:22:10.800 --> 1:22:13.680 waiting and feeling just like feeling like I had this 1:22:13.960 --> 1:22:17.960 skill set that could be potentially useful and just doing nothing. 1:22:18.960 --> 1:22:23.360 There's nothing worse than being like, listen, I I'm somebody 1:22:23.400 --> 1:22:25.519 with skills and I can be helpful. And then if 1:22:25.560 --> 1:22:28.320 you do something stupid, then you're like, I, but I'm 1:22:28.360 --> 1:22:31.080 still really good, you guys, I just did this one 1:22:31.120 --> 1:22:33.679 stupid thing by which I'll be judged forever. 1:22:34.120 --> 1:22:34.320 Right. 1:22:34.400 --> 1:22:37.280 Oh man, I just feel like it's like put this 1:22:37.320 --> 1:22:40.000 whole spin on, like the survivor's skill that I feel 1:22:40.040 --> 1:22:43.040 for like we were on the same walk. I turned around, 1:22:43.040 --> 1:22:44.680 I went back to the car and then I'm like, oh, 1:22:44.680 --> 1:22:47.400 well I could have maybe done something and yeah, just 1:22:47.680 --> 1:22:48.200 sitting there. 1:22:49.000 --> 1:22:51.000 Oh okay, so the helo. 1:22:52.040 --> 1:22:56.439 Yeah, So at that like and while I'm up there 1:22:56.479 --> 1:22:58.040 on that hill alone, like a lot of things are 1:22:58.040 --> 1:22:59.640 going through my head and like is the bear going 1:22:59.680 --> 1:23:03.559 to come back? Should I climb a tree? Like what's 1:23:03.560 --> 1:23:05.960 my best scenario? I just basically the only defense I 1:23:05.960 --> 1:23:08.240 had was my knife, so I had that out and 1:23:08.280 --> 1:23:10.599 I was just like at this point, like if I'm 1:23:11.080 --> 1:23:12.920 she comes back, I'm probably dead, so I might as 1:23:12.960 --> 1:23:19.600 well fight you. So the wound, like I started, the 1:23:19.600 --> 1:23:22.280 pain started to creep in. At this point, my shoulder 1:23:22.400 --> 1:23:29.400 was rocked. And so when the helo shows up, I 1:23:29.439 --> 1:23:32.559 felt the first like real relief. Looking at the helicopter, 1:23:32.640 --> 1:23:35.120 I'm like, okay, cool. So I actually started to crawl 1:23:35.120 --> 1:23:38.840 towards it, and I got maybe five or eight feet 1:23:38.840 --> 1:23:41.439 away from where I was sitting, and then I heard 1:23:41.479 --> 1:23:44.479 Shane Shane Burke, and I was like, and I see 1:23:44.479 --> 1:23:46.920 a ranger of the twelve gage and I was like, thank. 1:23:46.880 --> 1:23:49.120 God he coming on foot. Yeah. 1:23:49.560 --> 1:23:54.040 Yeah, I had about I would say about by the 1:23:54.120 --> 1:23:57.439 time by the time the helicopters ready to take me out. 1:23:57.439 --> 1:24:00.639 There's at least eight or twelve rangers into the set 1:24:00.720 --> 1:24:01.320 up a perimeter. 1:24:01.720 --> 1:24:04.519 How far had you come from the attack site? 1:24:05.040 --> 1:24:08.360 I want to say half a mile ish, But like 1:24:08.400 --> 1:24:12.040 I said, we can look at on X. The rangers 1:24:12.040 --> 1:24:14.160 would have a better idea because they did a full 1:24:14.200 --> 1:24:16.280 investigation from where they picked me up down to where 1:24:16.280 --> 1:24:19.000 the and there's a huge, massive blood trail that they followed. 1:24:21.360 --> 1:24:23.880 So the first ranger shows up and he's like, you're 1:24:23.880 --> 1:24:28.200 Shane Burke and I was like, yep, I'm looking for 1:24:28.200 --> 1:24:33.519 a different Yeah, so I you know, and they have 1:24:33.600 --> 1:24:36.040 to ask that, and he starts, you know, he starts, 1:24:36.120 --> 1:24:37.960 he's like, all right, I'm so and so here to help. 1:24:38.000 --> 1:24:41.120 And then a female officer shows up. She was rad 1:24:41.160 --> 1:24:45.800 I don't remember her name, and they just start cutting 1:24:45.840 --> 1:24:49.840 my stuff off, and uh, you know that, as I 1:24:49.880 --> 1:24:54.760 mentioned in my post, was you know my ultimately, you know, 1:24:54.800 --> 1:24:57.040 I believe in conservation. I believe that I was in 1:24:57.120 --> 1:24:59.479 the you know, there's this wrong place, wrong time, that 1:24:59.520 --> 1:25:02.920 Bair didn't do anything that it like wasn't natural to it. 1:25:03.439 --> 1:25:04.760 So I was like, hey, like, you're not going to 1:25:04.880 --> 1:25:06.479 kill that bear, are you. And he's like, well, we're 1:25:06.479 --> 1:25:08.479 going we have to look into it. And I was like, well, 1:25:08.479 --> 1:25:11.280 I I hope you don't, and he's like, I was 1:25:11.320 --> 1:25:17.360 really admirable. Yeah yeah, so yeah, they just start you know, 1:25:17.880 --> 1:25:20.679 assessing me. They do their own blood sweeps at this point, 1:25:20.680 --> 1:25:23.320 they're you know, doing their thing to get an ivy started, 1:25:24.880 --> 1:25:28.000 and they're all down in my area and. 1:25:27.920 --> 1:25:29.880 Are they trying to are they are they doing anything 1:25:29.880 --> 1:25:31.280 to try to get the DNA off the bear? 1:25:31.680 --> 1:25:31.880 Yeah? 1:25:31.960 --> 1:25:34.720 They did, so they know if there's a record of 1:25:34.760 --> 1:25:35.720 the bear, they know what bear? 1:25:36.000 --> 1:25:37.559 What do they what did they swo? What were they 1:25:37.600 --> 1:25:40.200 swabbing to try to get a clothing and the bite 1:25:40.680 --> 1:25:42.799 they're swabbing in somebody and put it in a tube? 1:25:42.920 --> 1:25:45.200 Yeah yeah, I mean so they completely took all my 1:25:45.240 --> 1:25:47.760 stuff off that hill. I didn't have my phone for 1:25:47.800 --> 1:25:49.200 two days after the. 1:25:48.800 --> 1:25:50.240 They have all kinds of ways to find those. 1:25:51.120 --> 1:25:53.679 Yeah, we got like everything back in an evidence box 1:25:53.880 --> 1:25:55.720 and I opened it up in the motel room. 1:25:55.760 --> 1:25:57.559 Like not the spray everywhere out. 1:25:57.520 --> 1:25:58.240 The bear spray? 1:25:58.400 --> 1:25:59.599 Oh god, yeah, it suck. 1:26:02.320 --> 1:26:06.519 We're just like coughing and hacking camp. 1:26:07.560 --> 1:26:08.080 I forgot. 1:26:08.280 --> 1:26:10.080 I did ask him about the can and like, oh, yeah, 1:26:10.080 --> 1:26:12.080 we have it and it never occurred to me, if 1:26:12.120 --> 1:26:15.479 I holding that can, I don't know, maybe there's DNA 1:26:15.520 --> 1:26:18.439 on it. I don't know, it's probably it could be 1:26:18.439 --> 1:26:23.200 in a visitors center. I'll text the biologists and see 1:26:23.240 --> 1:26:24.920 if I can pay for it to ship to you 1:26:24.920 --> 1:26:29.040 guys or something. But so at this point, like you know, 1:26:29.120 --> 1:26:32.280 I'm I'm sitting there like and I'm in their words 1:26:32.320 --> 1:26:34.040 he said, I was a really good patient. I was, 1:26:34.240 --> 1:26:35.840 you know, obviously there's in a lot of pain. At 1:26:35.840 --> 1:26:36.240 this point. 1:26:36.680 --> 1:26:38.519 Is the helicopter landed or just hovering? 1:26:38.840 --> 1:26:41.120 It left and landed and for a minute for how 1:26:41.160 --> 1:26:42.880 far away? I have no idea. 1:26:43.360 --> 1:26:47.160 I imagine gravel pit parking lot down the road where 1:26:47.160 --> 1:26:47.439 they were. 1:26:47.479 --> 1:26:49.479 There was no good place right there to land. 1:26:49.520 --> 1:26:53.479 Now, okay, actually they dropped to Yeah, they dropped to 1:26:54.080 --> 1:26:57.800 search and rescue people from the Jenny Lake Rangers down. 1:26:59.000 --> 1:27:01.719 Actually one might have walked Dan, I'm not sure. But anyway, 1:27:02.760 --> 1:27:05.479 so they're working on me. They're just stuffing me with gaze. 1:27:05.720 --> 1:27:10.280 And it was like every every second they're like, oh, 1:27:10.320 --> 1:27:12.680 here's another hole, here's another hole, let's stuff it with 1:27:12.840 --> 1:27:14.920 five feet of gaze. It was sucked. 1:27:15.439 --> 1:27:16.120 Was that painful? 1:27:16.320 --> 1:27:16.839 Very painful? 1:27:17.880 --> 1:27:19.120 And they just got you stripped down? 1:27:19.200 --> 1:27:24.240 Oh yeah, button naked. They're putting like the uh, the 1:27:24.240 --> 1:27:26.400 emergency blankets on me and stuff like that. They put 1:27:26.560 --> 1:27:29.240 heater packs on my chest underneath in between my armpits, 1:27:31.479 --> 1:27:33.720 and then my concern at that point it was like, hey, 1:27:34.320 --> 1:27:37.600 did I ship my pants? And they're like they just 1:27:37.640 --> 1:27:39.679 like lift my leg up and they're like, no, you're good, dude. 1:27:39.720 --> 1:27:43.599 I was like, sick, you're just. 1:27:43.600 --> 1:27:46.160 Crawling gain to everybody. 1:27:46.160 --> 1:27:47.960 They say that to everybody. 1:27:48.560 --> 1:27:53.920 There's multiple times that conversation throughout. So, yeah, they they 1:27:53.920 --> 1:27:58.200 plugged me up and they're ready to short haul me out, Hony. 1:27:59.320 --> 1:28:03.040 Just like it wasn't a stretcher or a rescue basket. 1:28:03.400 --> 1:28:04.439 I forget what they called. 1:28:04.280 --> 1:28:06.719 It, but it was like a Stokes basket. 1:28:06.880 --> 1:28:08.840 No, it wasn't a bad It was like a I 1:28:08.880 --> 1:28:11.120 felt like I was in a bridle wrap. It was 1:28:10.479 --> 1:28:16.240 just basically there, instead of flying me to the hospital, 1:28:16.240 --> 1:28:19.040 they're going to lift me up from the site, bring 1:28:19.080 --> 1:28:21.519 me to a safe location where there's an ambulance waiting. 1:28:21.439 --> 1:28:22.719 And dangling from the helicopter. 1:28:22.880 --> 1:28:24.360 Yeah, so does that when they come down with that 1:28:24.400 --> 1:28:27.360 bridle wrapper, do they drop it and then you hook 1:28:27.439 --> 1:28:28.800 up and then they come down and hook up or 1:28:28.840 --> 1:28:29.720 is it stayed hooked to. 1:28:29.720 --> 1:28:32.840 The Yeah, helicopter, they dropped it and then it didn't 1:28:32.840 --> 1:28:33.519 stay hooked up. 1:28:33.560 --> 1:28:35.960 Okay, So they say get them ready yep. And then 1:28:36.000 --> 1:28:38.240 they lower down a hook and someone on the ground 1:28:38.280 --> 1:28:41.040 hooks that correct and they lived out yep. 1:28:41.080 --> 1:28:44.160 And So I think her name was Livy No Lexi, Lexi, 1:28:44.200 --> 1:28:48.200 sorry Alexi. So she she tethered in with me, She 1:28:48.280 --> 1:28:51.519 flew with me. She was great. I think she was 1:28:51.640 --> 1:28:54.400 on a newer side because when they were talking about 1:28:54.439 --> 1:28:57.120 who would would fly with me, she was like, oh. 1:28:57.040 --> 1:28:57.559 I've never been. 1:28:57.680 --> 1:29:00.280 So she clipped into the same hook your clip into, 1:29:01.040 --> 1:29:02.800 but on some kind of climbing harness or something. 1:29:03.280 --> 1:29:07.519 She had to rescue harness and some diesel equipment that 1:29:07.560 --> 1:29:11.439 she was connected tethered with. So we land. There was 1:29:11.479 --> 1:29:16.920 a lot of people on scene, some rubberneckers. Yeah, and 1:29:16.960 --> 1:29:19.840 then I had met I. So they load me up 1:29:19.840 --> 1:29:23.320 into ambulance and then they start, you know, checking me 1:29:23.320 --> 1:29:26.800 out there. One of the rangers that the investigating ranger, 1:29:26.840 --> 1:29:29.160 came into the ambulance. He introduced himself. He had some 1:29:29.240 --> 1:29:32.599 questions for me, what where's the can? 1:29:33.120 --> 1:29:34.040 Yeah, where's the can? 1:29:35.760 --> 1:29:38.840 So you say, yeah, he just wanted to know some 1:29:39.000 --> 1:29:41.120 of the finer details, like just some quick details so 1:29:41.120 --> 1:29:43.599 they could have an idea of what happened vaguely before 1:29:43.640 --> 1:29:45.080 they go out And because they didn't go out to 1:29:45.120 --> 1:29:47.840 the locate attack location till the next day, I think 1:29:47.840 --> 1:29:52.040 they secured it overnight, but they didn't like go out 1:29:52.040 --> 1:29:54.720 there to do the overall investigation until the next day. 1:29:54.960 --> 1:29:57.640 So he had some questions like, you know, are you 1:29:57.640 --> 1:29:59.200 sure it was a grizzly Like I got asked that 1:29:59.280 --> 1:30:02.240 like fifty times, so I'm like, no, black bear. I 1:30:02.240 --> 1:30:04.519 know it wasn't a black bear, Like, it was definitely grizzly. 1:30:05.200 --> 1:30:07.600 He's like, well, what are some identifying features and like 1:30:07.920 --> 1:30:10.760 big brown bear, big homp on her back, Like I 1:30:10.800 --> 1:30:11.479 don't know, like. 1:30:11.760 --> 1:30:13.080 Great big claws. 1:30:13.160 --> 1:30:15.639 Yeah, they did this to me versus running away. 1:30:15.840 --> 1:30:21.280 Yeah, and so you know, my Carrey team is great. 1:30:22.280 --> 1:30:24.280 They finally hit me with some pain killers which just 1:30:25.040 --> 1:30:26.040 took the edge off. 1:30:27.360 --> 1:30:29.599 No chlora. Are you there at the ambulance. 1:30:29.240 --> 1:30:33.080 Just briefly, which is funny because I got in and 1:30:33.400 --> 1:30:37.080 Shane's like, don't cry and just get out of the 1:30:37.200 --> 1:30:38.680 get out of the ambulance so I can go and 1:30:38.720 --> 1:30:40.599 then they repacked all his wounds. 1:30:40.600 --> 1:30:42.280 So he was there for like another hour and. 1:30:42.320 --> 1:30:42.880 You couldn't ride. 1:30:42.920 --> 1:30:44.160 You couldn't ride in the back with him. 1:30:44.360 --> 1:30:46.640 No, I had the dog, you know. 1:30:46.960 --> 1:30:49.400 So are they taken you to Jackson to or too 1:30:49.439 --> 1:30:50.679 apart to Jackson? 1:30:50.920 --> 1:30:53.000 Yeah, And at this point had they begun trying to 1:30:53.040 --> 1:30:55.960 flush all that bear juice out of there. 1:30:56.520 --> 1:30:58.840 So I did mention it because I was like, guys, 1:30:58.880 --> 1:31:02.680 my hands are really freaking hot right now. I was 1:31:02.720 --> 1:31:06.559 sweating really bad because they had scary of hypothermia. They 1:31:06.600 --> 1:31:09.160 had the heat cranked up to a thousand degrees in then, 1:31:09.760 --> 1:31:13.519 and so yeah, I was like, hey, like, I have 1:31:13.680 --> 1:31:15.360 a lot of bear spread in the back of my head. 1:31:15.400 --> 1:31:17.439 It's it's really starting to make me uncomfortable. So they 1:31:17.520 --> 1:31:19.680 tried to clean it up the best they could. All 1:31:19.680 --> 1:31:22.960 my wounds that were packed had absorbed the all of 1:31:22.960 --> 1:31:25.400 the gods had absorbed too much blood. So they had 1:31:25.439 --> 1:31:29.439 to actually repack everything there. So we we we sat 1:31:29.479 --> 1:31:33.080 there for I would say almost an hour. Yeah. Wow, 1:31:33.120 --> 1:31:37.240 they repacked everything and then we drove. We get to 1:31:37.280 --> 1:31:42.120 the trauma bay and it was just like they I 1:31:42.160 --> 1:31:44.360 went through the front door and it was just all 1:31:44.400 --> 1:31:49.240 of a sudden. There's friends, I mean really fast, a 1:31:49.280 --> 1:31:52.439 lot of people working on me, touching me, putting another 1:31:52.640 --> 1:31:57.920 IV in, just assessing everything. The surgeon came in told 1:31:57.960 --> 1:32:01.200 me his plan. Chloe shows. They let Chloe stay in 1:32:01.200 --> 1:32:06.040 there the whole time before the surgery, basically just make 1:32:06.040 --> 1:32:07.880 it sure I didn't have anything to eat within a 1:32:07.920 --> 1:32:12.280 certain timeframe. And yeah, they just kind of started to 1:32:12.320 --> 1:32:18.000 go over what just assassin, like right up my report 1:32:18.040 --> 1:32:19.800 on like where all my wounds were so they could 1:32:19.800 --> 1:32:22.840 go into surgery prepared. The surgeon was like, hey, man, 1:32:22.920 --> 1:32:25.640 we're stapling everything. It's like, if we do sutures, we'll 1:32:25.640 --> 1:32:28.080 be here till the morning. And I was like, yeah, dude, 1:32:28.080 --> 1:32:30.160 just do what you gotta do. I don't care. So 1:32:30.200 --> 1:32:34.519 I had a total of sixty staples, nine sites that 1:32:34.640 --> 1:32:39.840 needed stapling, and they just did like a deep clean 1:32:39.880 --> 1:32:43.920 of all the wounds. Secondary or infections of obviously a 1:32:43.920 --> 1:32:47.200 big concern for grizzly bears or any animal bite for 1:32:47.240 --> 1:32:52.880 that matter, but grizzly bears are notoriously dirty. So yeah, 1:32:53.280 --> 1:32:55.960 I got to call my best friend on the phone 1:32:56.000 --> 1:33:00.080 and tell him what happened. He was expecting like a 1:33:00.160 --> 1:33:05.200 moon report and there's the Honeymoon of Horror. So I 1:33:05.240 --> 1:33:06.479 forget what news station called. 1:33:06.680 --> 1:33:07.920 I think that was Inside Edition. 1:33:11.080 --> 1:33:14.160 It was so funny and I knew we started laughing. 1:33:14.320 --> 1:33:17.080 That was the first time I started laughing about the situation. 1:33:17.439 --> 1:33:21.400 Like I knew, I was okay, I'm not like I've 1:33:21.439 --> 1:33:23.160 had so much shit happened to me in the last 1:33:23.160 --> 1:33:26.680 four years that I'm just like, if I just sit 1:33:26.720 --> 1:33:28.959 here and be mad about it or sad about it, 1:33:28.960 --> 1:33:30.920 it's not going to do me any good. So I 1:33:31.080 --> 1:33:35.360 just we had a laugh. My buddy Murphy was just like, dude, like, 1:33:35.680 --> 1:33:38.200 stay out of the woods, dude, and I was like, 1:33:38.280 --> 1:33:41.400 absolutely not, Like that's where I feel most alive, and 1:33:41.960 --> 1:33:44.000 I'm you know, I'm still going to do a lot 1:33:44.000 --> 1:33:45.120 of people are like, oh, I bet you won't go 1:33:45.120 --> 1:33:49.200 back to Wyoming. I'm like, we might move there. That's 1:33:49.240 --> 1:33:49.679 not true. 1:33:50.280 --> 1:33:53.000 Our friends have been amazing at like keeping our spirits up, 1:33:53.120 --> 1:33:55.200 like like teasing him and being like, you know, there's 1:33:55.200 --> 1:33:58.360 easier ways to get attention rather than getting like hoisted 1:33:58.400 --> 1:33:59.280 out by helicopter. 1:34:00.200 --> 1:34:02.479 Do you feel, uh, do you feel you'd be any 1:34:02.520 --> 1:34:06.200 more jumpy? What do you mean being in bear country? 1:34:06.360 --> 1:34:06.519 Oh? 1:34:06.560 --> 1:34:07.160 Absolutely? 1:34:08.479 --> 1:34:12.720 Do you think it'll do you picture laying off on real, 1:34:12.840 --> 1:34:14.759 real grizzly hotspots. 1:34:17.439 --> 1:34:19.800 I don't know. I mean, I don't think we'll be 1:34:19.880 --> 1:34:22.040 back for at least two years anyway. 1:34:22.280 --> 1:34:26.000 Yeah, let's just say I mean, outside of that, let's 1:34:26.000 --> 1:34:27.559 just say ILL said to you, man, let's go check 1:34:27.560 --> 1:34:29.639 out the spot where's always a lot of grizzlies hanging around. 1:34:30.120 --> 1:34:31.760 Depends am I gonna be like in a vehicle or 1:34:31.760 --> 1:34:37.519 am I gonna it's on the ground walking I don't know. Yeah, 1:34:37.560 --> 1:34:43.719 and groups of three bring spray. Yeah, I think i'd go. Yeah, 1:34:43.760 --> 1:34:48.960 I mean still pretty fresh. It's still really fresh. You 1:34:49.000 --> 1:34:51.360 know it's only been three weeks, right, I mean we 1:34:51.520 --> 1:34:53.920 I listened to the Otter podcast and like those women 1:34:53.960 --> 1:34:56.479 came on after nine months, so they had a lot 1:34:56.520 --> 1:34:59.400 of time to process what happened and talk about it. 1:34:59.400 --> 1:35:01.439 It's very real to be here right now, Like it's 1:35:01.560 --> 1:35:03.160 you know, people are like, you're already back out less, 1:35:03.200 --> 1:35:05.040 and I'm like, well, I had a pretty cool opportunity. 1:35:05.040 --> 1:35:07.920 I wasn't going to pass it up. Huh. 1:35:08.160 --> 1:35:08.559 Yeah. 1:35:08.640 --> 1:35:10.880 So you feel like, yeah, no, I see what you're saying, 1:35:10.920 --> 1:35:12.920 like the freshness of it, but you feel like down 1:35:13.880 --> 1:35:15.800 you're comfortable with the idea that down the road you'd 1:35:15.840 --> 1:35:16.960 spend time in Bear country. 1:35:17.040 --> 1:35:19.839 I think so I've struggled with the idea of camping 1:35:20.560 --> 1:35:22.640 in bear country. I think I would do what you 1:35:22.720 --> 1:35:27.479 do and bring electric fence. No, I don't have one time, 1:35:28.000 --> 1:35:31.599 just one time, okay, just because it was a Kodiak Island, well. 1:35:32.000 --> 1:35:33.519 A fog neg which is such the same thing. 1:35:33.600 --> 1:35:37.320 Okay, I remember that they're separated, they're separated by a 1:35:37.400 --> 1:35:39.479 narrow straight But yeah, that's the only time I've used this. 1:35:39.760 --> 1:35:41.439 Okay, I'm not down on it. It's just the time. 1:35:42.560 --> 1:35:45.960 Good good buddy of mine drew an awesome tag in 1:35:46.000 --> 1:35:49.920 Wyoming for ELK this year, and and like super Dance 1:35:50.000 --> 1:35:54.599 Grizz Country and he's bringing an electric fence there despite 1:35:54.680 --> 1:36:00.120 having an untold amount of hours and super down to 1:36:00.160 --> 1:36:03.439 Grizz Country in Montana and never bring an electric fence. 1:36:03.520 --> 1:36:04.000 Yeah. 1:36:04.160 --> 1:36:08.040 So it's like, you know, there's no one way, yeah, 1:36:08.080 --> 1:36:10.840 and and you don't just because you've done it one 1:36:10.880 --> 1:36:12.840 way forever, It doesn't mean you can change. You don't 1:36:12.840 --> 1:36:13.400 have to change. 1:36:13.640 --> 1:36:16.120 What it would afford you is is at least you'd 1:36:16.160 --> 1:36:17.000 be able to sleep at night. 1:36:17.040 --> 1:36:17.200 Good. 1:36:17.280 --> 1:36:20.000 Yeah, right, Yeah, all days, you know, you're still doing 1:36:20.040 --> 1:36:21.960 what you're doing, but at night, if it's anything that 1:36:21.960 --> 1:36:22.920 helps you get a little. 1:36:22.720 --> 1:36:34.519 Bit of Yeah, did they I want to get back 1:36:34.560 --> 1:36:36.080 to the bear. Did they identify it? 1:36:36.120 --> 1:36:37.560 Did they know it? 1:36:37.680 --> 1:36:40.320 They They never came out with publicly whether or not 1:36:40.800 --> 1:36:44.360 they knew what bear it was, but I'm sure they do. Yeah, 1:36:44.360 --> 1:36:46.800 they keep pretty good. Yeah, I've talked to some people. 1:36:46.800 --> 1:36:47.960 It could be a bear. They haven't. 1:36:48.080 --> 1:36:50.640 Yeah, it could be. It totally could be. I know 1:36:50.800 --> 1:36:53.360 bear three nine nine is a hot topic of the situation. 1:36:53.520 --> 1:36:56.000 Yeah, and the photographer's bear. 1:36:56.280 --> 1:36:58.519 Yeah, it's very the most habituated bear ever. 1:36:58.880 --> 1:37:02.000 Right, but she's actually two people, so I mean it's 1:37:02.040 --> 1:37:04.920 not far fetched. She does have a single cub right now. 1:37:05.960 --> 1:37:07.800 We were told she was not in the location at 1:37:07.840 --> 1:37:09.200 the time, and. 1:37:09.000 --> 1:37:09.679 She's gotten. 1:37:11.560 --> 1:37:14.080 And then we were also told that like she was 1:37:14.120 --> 1:37:15.160 like six miles away. 1:37:15.479 --> 1:37:19.680 Yeah, we've been We've been told about very far. 1:37:19.800 --> 1:37:23.920 But even if it was her, I don't care. Like 1:37:24.240 --> 1:37:27.559 it was a bear, I'm I mean as far as 1:37:27.640 --> 1:37:29.960 it was acting naturally, so it doesn't really matter. And 1:37:30.200 --> 1:37:32.400 to me, it's not like this bear seeked me out 1:37:32.439 --> 1:37:34.679 and was like I'm gonna kill you. Motherfucker for being 1:37:34.680 --> 1:37:37.479 in my area, like she had a very real reason 1:37:37.800 --> 1:37:39.280 to not want me to be alive. 1:37:39.520 --> 1:37:43.200 So well, yeah, just like you said, you're in a 1:37:43.240 --> 1:37:46.400 place with a lot of human traffic, right, and you 1:37:46.479 --> 1:37:50.120 peeled off away from all that that traffic into what 1:37:50.280 --> 1:37:53.920 sounds like a nasty blowdown area unbeknownst to you, right, 1:37:54.000 --> 1:37:56.840 but it seems like a pretty secluded spot. 1:37:57.439 --> 1:37:59.400 Yeah, and you already got scratched anyway. So what's the 1:37:59.439 --> 1:38:02.639 difference that old bear? Now was there? 1:38:03.280 --> 1:38:05.760 Do you know if there was elk around in their calving. 1:38:05.520 --> 1:38:08.519 Where I did find elk droppings, but I did not 1:38:09.000 --> 1:38:15.320 see any elk, so yeah, hm hmm, Yeah, so that's 1:38:15.400 --> 1:38:16.280 kind of the bulk of it. 1:38:17.680 --> 1:38:19.800 Yeah, I mean a lot of people don't know that 1:38:19.880 --> 1:38:24.280 those army cadences that you guys sing so have a 1:38:24.320 --> 1:38:27.200 lot like a bawling calf elk to Brodie's. 1:38:26.760 --> 1:38:29.839 Point, really, yeah, come get me bear. 1:38:34.640 --> 1:38:39.040 In the future, would you stick with spray pepper spray? 1:38:39.240 --> 1:38:42.320 Absolutely? I mean, like I said earlier. 1:38:42.360 --> 1:38:44.599 You've had a lot of training with pistols. 1:38:44.240 --> 1:38:45.839 Uh, not not necessary pistols. 1:38:46.640 --> 1:38:48.840 Pistols military. They don't teach you a lot about shooting pistols. 1:38:48.840 --> 1:38:51.280 No, I mean so we you get familiarized with it. 1:38:51.400 --> 1:38:57.519 But pistols are mostly reserved for infantry, military, police, special 1:38:57.560 --> 1:39:02.080 forces officers, So your commanding officer will be assigned a pistol, 1:39:02.479 --> 1:39:06.879 not a rifle. I'm as being like mostly operating vehicles. 1:39:07.479 --> 1:39:10.240 I'm just assigned a rifle or a machine gun, like 1:39:10.479 --> 1:39:12.760 it depends. Usually we don't give mechanics machine guns because 1:39:12.760 --> 1:39:15.080 they gotta They're the ones getting down dropping drive chafts 1:39:15.080 --> 1:39:17.640 and stuff like that, So be silly to give them 1:39:17.640 --> 1:39:20.160 a machine gun when that's your most casualty producing weapon 1:39:20.680 --> 1:39:24.880 of the squad. So it doesn't make sense. Explain that 1:39:24.920 --> 1:39:29.280 to me, most casualty producing weapon, So that's the weapon 1:39:29.280 --> 1:39:30.519 that's going to lay down the most lead. 1:39:30.960 --> 1:39:33.800 Oh I thought it meant the highest probability of getting that. 1:39:34.120 --> 1:39:36.360 No, sorry, that that would make sense. Yeah, sorry, Oh. 1:39:36.320 --> 1:39:37.760 Yeah, they don't want Yeah, you're supposed to be doing 1:39:37.760 --> 1:39:39.240 your job, not that job, right, gotcha? 1:39:39.360 --> 1:39:42.400 Yeah, but you said a handgun would have done you 1:39:42.520 --> 1:39:43.720 note probably. 1:39:43.320 --> 1:39:46.240 In my specific situation. Absolutely, Like maybe if I went 1:39:46.280 --> 1:39:49.479 for the gun first shot and that scared it, but 1:39:49.560 --> 1:39:51.800 me getting an accurate shot on it that wasn't I 1:39:51.800 --> 1:39:53.639 would just piss the bear off even more like. 1:39:53.600 --> 1:39:55.760 Yeah, if you couldn't even hit the I mean, think 1:39:55.760 --> 1:39:57.200 about the spray, you don't need to aim at that. 1:39:57.280 --> 1:40:01.720 Great, I'm not. I'm like, I think three seconds is generous, 1:40:01.760 --> 1:40:03.320 Like how fast it happened. 1:40:03.520 --> 1:40:04.960 If you didn't hit that, If you didn't have time 1:40:05.000 --> 1:40:07.080 to hit that button on that spray and you knew 1:40:07.120 --> 1:40:09.080 to go for it, you have time to ain't a 1:40:09.080 --> 1:40:09.960 gun now. 1:40:10.040 --> 1:40:12.680 And that's what I'm like. That's why I try to 1:40:13.920 --> 1:40:15.760 tell people in the comments, like if I see a 1:40:15.800 --> 1:40:18.840 comment worth like commenting that I know I've dodd. 1:40:18.880 --> 1:40:23.360 Everyone, everyone in the everyone in Montana, Idaho, Wyoming. 1:40:23.200 --> 1:40:24.759 Is by birth a bear expert. 1:40:24.920 --> 1:40:29.600 Yeah, I will tell you I got this would be 1:40:29.640 --> 1:40:32.519 like a checking you out charge, not a charge that. 1:40:32.640 --> 1:40:35.479 Was on this show right, well, no, not that one, but. 1:40:36.200 --> 1:40:39.439 With you that was me on the BC one. 1:40:39.560 --> 1:40:42.040 Yeah, but then there was. But he had a he 1:40:42.080 --> 1:40:44.960 had a run in long ago too, But. 1:40:45.080 --> 1:40:48.000 I was I was actually working on grizzly Bear DNA 1:40:48.080 --> 1:40:52.599 project but super early in the morning, had two dogs 1:40:52.640 --> 1:40:55.680 with me coming across the base of this hill. Look 1:40:55.760 --> 1:40:58.760 up on the hillside. Giant grizzly Bear, biggest, biggest grizz 1:40:58.760 --> 1:41:03.360 I've personally seen Montana and it instantaneously turned and it 1:41:03.400 --> 1:41:07.880 was probably two hundred yards away and dropped down like 1:41:08.080 --> 1:41:10.880 full charge and hit the brakes at probably like fifty 1:41:10.960 --> 1:41:16.160 yards and this was like a pretty good amount of 1:41:16.160 --> 1:41:21.120 distance for the entire time man, and it just hauled ass, right. 1:41:21.240 --> 1:41:27.160 And I've thought about that a lot, and I was like, 1:41:27.439 --> 1:41:30.640 the only way I would have shot that bear is 1:41:30.720 --> 1:41:35.120 if I would have left my camp that morning with 1:41:35.320 --> 1:41:39.880 the the idea that I am going to kill a 1:41:39.880 --> 1:41:40.400 bear today. 1:41:40.479 --> 1:41:42.200 Yeah, so be ready. 1:41:42.280 --> 1:41:42.759 But it's. 1:41:45.479 --> 1:41:50.240 Yeah, exactly, you're just having the mindset of, like I am, 1:41:50.520 --> 1:41:53.000 I'm going to kill a bear today, so just be ready. 1:41:53.520 --> 1:41:55.519 I'm going to kill a bear, yeah, right, which is 1:41:55.560 --> 1:41:57.200 just not the situation. 1:41:57.240 --> 1:41:59.280 I mean, they can run thirty five miles an hour 1:41:59.520 --> 1:42:02.360 thirty yards it takes second and a half. Yeah, Like, 1:42:03.280 --> 1:42:08.439 it's just they're fast. So yeah, I mean that ship. 1:42:08.479 --> 1:42:10.840 Your pants are not your pants. 1:42:11.360 --> 1:42:11.679 You didn't. 1:42:12.000 --> 1:42:12.360 I did not. 1:42:12.439 --> 1:42:15.000 I'm very very proud of that. That was one of 1:42:15.000 --> 1:42:16.760 the first things my buddy Murphy asked me. He's like, 1:42:16.840 --> 1:42:19.559 so you shut your pants And I was like no, 1:42:19.640 --> 1:42:21.280 He's like, no, you must not be that bad then, 1:42:22.160 --> 1:42:22.719 But I. 1:42:22.600 --> 1:42:24.640 Also think, man, if you've got time to ship your 1:42:24.680 --> 1:42:27.160 pants or piss yourself, it's not really happened. 1:42:29.200 --> 1:42:30.839 No, I was pretty dehydrated anyway. 1:42:30.840 --> 1:42:39.840 But so you've got to you've got a surgery coming 1:42:39.920 --> 1:42:40.439 up there. 1:42:40.520 --> 1:42:45.040 Yeah, yeah, so my uh after I was getting discharged, 1:42:45.040 --> 1:42:46.479 so I was only in the hospital for one. 1:42:46.400 --> 1:42:49.040 Night, and which is amazing. 1:42:49.160 --> 1:42:50.920 Yeah, it's kind of crazy. It was kind of a 1:42:50.920 --> 1:42:54.280 mine fuck for us. We were but they're basically like, 1:42:54.320 --> 1:42:57.439 you're not getting any more antibiotics only oral. You can 1:42:57.520 --> 1:42:59.599 stay here, but it's gonna cost like five grand a night. 1:42:59.680 --> 1:43:02.240 I'm like, yeah's a hotel because we had to stay 1:43:02.240 --> 1:43:03.960 in the area because the rangers had all my stuff, 1:43:04.360 --> 1:43:08.639 my cell phone, my camera, all my like backpack stuff. 1:43:08.960 --> 1:43:12.160 The can, Yeah they have the can. Still can in. 1:43:12.479 --> 1:43:16.320 This situation, does uh do you get any sort of 1:43:16.320 --> 1:43:18.120 like military medical assistance? 1:43:19.080 --> 1:43:22.880 So yeah, is definitely gonna be a big help. 1:43:23.600 --> 1:43:25.759 So you still get VA covered if you get her outside. 1:43:25.840 --> 1:43:29.240 Because I'm a disabled veteran, so I have a high 1:43:29.320 --> 1:43:33.360 enough percentage to get free health care. So the only 1:43:33.400 --> 1:43:39.520 thing like, yeah, like they're going to cover everything, the ambulance, 1:43:39.640 --> 1:43:43.719 the hospital, surgery, uh PT will cover everything. 1:43:43.800 --> 1:43:46.320 You're covering that can into that. 1:43:47.360 --> 1:43:51.520 I'll text justin. I'll text you. 1:43:50.720 --> 1:43:56.840 Earlier you said she had broken your shoulder, so they 1:43:56.920 --> 1:43:57.919 just kind of left. 1:43:57.720 --> 1:43:58.519 It as is. 1:43:59.200 --> 1:44:04.000 Yeah. So when I was getting discharged, the nurses were 1:44:04.040 --> 1:44:05.880 kind of putting band aids on me and stuff, and 1:44:05.880 --> 1:44:09.120 they're like, just like Chloe helped them, so she had 1:44:09.120 --> 1:44:11.800 an idea because bless her soul, she's the one that 1:44:12.040 --> 1:44:14.320 has been And then now I have you know, I 1:44:14.320 --> 1:44:16.080 can move my arm a lot, but you know the 1:44:16.120 --> 1:44:18.759 first week I couldn't even button my pants, like sitting 1:44:18.760 --> 1:44:21.640 down to take a ship, like the toilet seats right 1:44:21.680 --> 1:44:24.759 on one of my wounds, so uncomfortable to do anything. 1:44:25.640 --> 1:44:27.680 So did did you to drive all the way home too? 1:44:28.240 --> 1:44:28.880 Oh man? 1:44:31.640 --> 1:44:32.960 We had to finish out the honeymoon. 1:44:33.479 --> 1:44:33.679 Yeah. 1:44:35.840 --> 1:44:40.719 If we didn't, we're just gonna be when everything. 1:44:40.840 --> 1:44:45.040 Oh man, the window the wind show got cracked by 1:44:45.160 --> 1:44:47.439 a rock from a car. So that's been a fiasco 1:44:47.479 --> 1:44:47.960 to deal with. 1:44:50.600 --> 1:44:51.920 You just can't win, no dude. 1:44:52.960 --> 1:44:53.320 Uh. 1:44:53.360 --> 1:44:56.280 So they were dressing my wounds for me to be discharged, 1:44:56.479 --> 1:44:57.760 and they were like. 1:44:58.120 --> 1:45:01.120 They just noticed like this deformity and older like little knob. 1:45:01.240 --> 1:45:02.960 Yeah, they knew my shoulder was messed up. Like I 1:45:03.000 --> 1:45:04.400 told him, I was in a lot of pain there, 1:45:04.560 --> 1:45:05.479 and so the. 1:45:05.560 --> 1:45:07.280 Lys was like, does that always look like that? 1:45:07.360 --> 1:45:09.240 And I'm like no, I like looked at her. 1:45:09.280 --> 1:45:16.800 Like what I can see it right now? Yeah? What yeah? 1:45:16.560 --> 1:45:20.920 Yeah knob there, Yeah at that bone. Was that like 1:45:21.000 --> 1:45:21.599 that before? 1:45:22.880 --> 1:45:25.000 So they she was like, oh, this looks like. 1:45:24.920 --> 1:45:27.799 A protrudnob shoulder. 1:45:27.880 --> 1:45:29.720 They thought it was just a dislocation. They're like, that 1:45:29.760 --> 1:45:31.760 should reset. Let me talk to ortho and see if 1:45:31.800 --> 1:45:33.599 I'll come in and look at it. And he's like, yeah, 1:45:33.640 --> 1:45:35.760 it looks like a c separation. Just follow up with 1:45:35.800 --> 1:45:36.760 your ortho back home. 1:45:36.840 --> 1:45:39.080 And I'm like, God, shouldn't they give you like X 1:45:39.200 --> 1:45:39.840 rays and stuff. 1:45:40.160 --> 1:45:41.720 I'd be like, yeah, we're already here. 1:45:41.880 --> 1:45:44.360 Yeah, it's kind of crazy for it, That's that's kind 1:45:44.360 --> 1:45:46.439 of crazy. 1:45:45.800 --> 1:45:48.200 Try your shoulder. 1:45:48.720 --> 1:45:53.400 No, I guess I feel my sense is that emergency 1:45:53.400 --> 1:45:56.240 medicine is trying to like move away from just like 1:45:56.360 --> 1:45:59.800 nuking everyone with radiation like CT scans right off the 1:45:59.800 --> 1:46:02.720 back at. One of my friends has had like so 1:46:02.800 --> 1:46:05.799 many emergency room visits in the last year that she's 1:46:05.840 --> 1:46:08.240 like surprised that she's not glowing in the dark from 1:46:08.280 --> 1:46:11.280 all the radiation, so like I could appreciate that, but 1:46:11.320 --> 1:46:13.120 at the same time, we got home and I just 1:46:13.200 --> 1:46:16.880 felt so bad that, like we took two weeks driving 1:46:16.920 --> 1:46:20.679 home and this man has a broken shoulder and we're 1:46:20.720 --> 1:46:21.879 just like, yeah, you're fine. 1:46:22.240 --> 1:46:24.840 Well, you guys didn't like rock and roll home. 1:46:27.120 --> 1:46:29.200 We didn't like we had to change our. 1:46:31.120 --> 1:46:34.120 Plus just how was like crawling into your makeshift dirt. 1:46:33.920 --> 1:46:38.720 Beds and friend's houses along the way. 1:46:38.800 --> 1:46:41.240 Yeah, So basically we just wanted to like stay with 1:46:41.280 --> 1:46:44.320 the friends that we were already planning on seeing and 1:46:45.000 --> 1:46:47.120 just to give him kind of some time to recuperate. 1:46:48.640 --> 1:46:53.439 Story a thousand times an anytime you went in anybody's house, going. 1:46:54.720 --> 1:46:56.639 Been talking about it quite a bit, which is fine. 1:46:56.720 --> 1:46:58.840 I think for me that's therapeutic in a way. 1:47:00.200 --> 1:47:00.559 Mm hmm. 1:47:01.240 --> 1:47:06.280 Yeah, I keeps the story alive, I guess in my head. 1:47:07.120 --> 1:47:08.639 The first time I did when I got my phone 1:47:08.680 --> 1:47:11.519 is I wrote that post before I even thought about 1:47:11.560 --> 1:47:14.200 posting it. But I just wanted to have all that 1:47:14.240 --> 1:47:17.960 information down while it was still fresh. 1:47:18.200 --> 1:47:20.799 How long how long was it for the phone started 1:47:20.840 --> 1:47:21.800 ringing from like. 1:47:22.080 --> 1:47:25.160 Not as soon as I made that post, I would say, 1:47:27.160 --> 1:47:28.920 I for the first week, I was getting fifty to 1:47:28.960 --> 1:47:34.240 seventy phone calls a day. My inbox on Instagram was 1:47:34.360 --> 1:47:38.200 just crazy. That's why I didn't see Corinne's message right away. 1:47:38.240 --> 1:47:40.360 Yiannis ended up messaging me and I follow him, so 1:47:40.400 --> 1:47:45.080 I went straight to my inbox. Yeah, it's the media 1:47:45.080 --> 1:47:52.160 has been crazy. The media is really like so essentially 1:47:52.200 --> 1:47:53.960 like they really kind of kept her out of it 1:47:54.040 --> 1:47:55.920 and made her seem like a damsel in distress, and 1:47:55.960 --> 1:47:57.759 I was like, no, Like, she helped save my life. 1:47:57.800 --> 1:48:01.000 She was a very she contributed a ton to it. 1:48:03.960 --> 1:48:06.320 And then the other extreme they would go to the 1:48:06.320 --> 1:48:09.080 opposite way, were like Chloe paramedic rushes into action and. 1:48:09.520 --> 1:48:11.720 I'm clearly not a paramedic. Guy was put in my 1:48:11.800 --> 1:48:12.799 place that day. 1:48:14.200 --> 1:48:17.960 They some some places were like Shane Burke combat hardened veteran, 1:48:18.200 --> 1:48:23.559 disabled veteran fights off grizzly. I'm like, dude, very modest 1:48:23.560 --> 1:48:26.160 about my combat time. It was very minimal, Like most 1:48:26.200 --> 1:48:28.439 of the time that anything that happened to me in Iraq, 1:48:28.479 --> 1:48:30.960 it was just the insurgents basically just trying to annoy us. 1:48:31.640 --> 1:48:36.680 So combat, I wouldn't even say combat, just sitting, you know, 1:48:36.840 --> 1:48:38.960 a lot of times it was just indirect fire or 1:48:39.000 --> 1:48:41.000 just randomly shooting out our trucks when we drive by, 1:48:42.080 --> 1:48:44.280 and some IEDs and stuff. But it was never like 1:48:44.800 --> 1:48:46.680 I wasn't running a gun and kicking doors in and 1:48:46.680 --> 1:48:47.759 looking for saddam myself. 1:48:48.080 --> 1:48:50.479 Just getting randomly shot at and blowing up is fine. 1:48:50.600 --> 1:48:58.479 That's fine. So yeah, so yeah, it's And then what 1:48:58.640 --> 1:49:02.080 really really pissed me off. There's a YouTube video that 1:49:02.400 --> 1:49:05.920 he he got all of his facts within less than 1:49:05.920 --> 1:49:08.920 twenty four hours of the bear attack so. 1:49:09.520 --> 1:49:11.880 On, and made one of those dumb videos. Yeah, like 1:49:11.920 --> 1:49:14.760 in the news, those like bad, it's bad. Yeah, it's 1:49:14.800 --> 1:49:15.280 super bad. 1:49:15.400 --> 1:49:18.160 It has the exclaimer that says, please respect the victim 1:49:18.560 --> 1:49:21.559 and their family, and we're literally in the comments like 1:49:21.680 --> 1:49:23.480 none of this is accurate, please. 1:49:23.240 --> 1:49:25.800 And they would just delete the comment, right, facts rude. 1:49:26.920 --> 1:49:29.599 So that that was that sucked. And I've had some 1:49:29.720 --> 1:49:31.640 like you know, hate mail, like people have been like, oh, 1:49:31.680 --> 1:49:33.599 you should have died up there, like because of what, 1:49:34.160 --> 1:49:35.639 because they're just I don't. 1:49:35.479 --> 1:49:38.960 Know what's the criticism. 1:49:39.160 --> 1:49:41.599 So a lot of people, not a lot of people. 1:49:41.640 --> 1:49:46.679 I would say it's been overwhelmingly supportive, absolutely overwhelming. Jackson 1:49:46.720 --> 1:49:49.120 in particular big shout out to Jackson. I can't even 1:49:49.160 --> 1:49:55.439 think Jackson as a whole enough for the care the 1:49:55.720 --> 1:49:59.160 like we hospital The hospitality was through the brief really 1:49:59.240 --> 1:50:03.559 kind of so. But there's some people three nine nine's 1:50:03.760 --> 1:50:07.840 fan group we're telling, like trying to tell people that 1:50:08.080 --> 1:50:11.120 spread rumors that we were out there over a carcass 1:50:11.400 --> 1:50:13.080 trying to harass Bears. 1:50:13.400 --> 1:50:14.759 Three days prior to the attack. 1:50:14.880 --> 1:50:16.280 Yeah, we had only been in t Times for a 1:50:16.320 --> 1:50:17.679 couple of hours, and not the type. 1:50:17.479 --> 1:50:21.000 Of harassment where you just parallel them on the interstate 1:50:21.200 --> 1:50:26.719 all the freaking day long telephoto lenses that harassment. 1:50:28.800 --> 1:50:30.960 People on that Bears fan page. 1:50:31.280 --> 1:50:34.639 Yeah, I had a few messages like, oh, you're no hero, 1:50:34.760 --> 1:50:36.080 And I was like, I never said I was a hero. 1:50:36.200 --> 1:50:38.920 I was like, self preservation doesn't make you a hero. 1:50:39.040 --> 1:50:39.680 I said, I just. 1:50:39.600 --> 1:50:41.080 Did a plank in a bear's mind. 1:50:40.960 --> 1:50:43.400 Right right, Yeah, It's like I just survived something that 1:50:43.439 --> 1:50:44.280 was really tremendous. 1:50:44.920 --> 1:50:49.200 What was the thing? What about have sitting on a carcass? 1:50:49.200 --> 1:50:49.800 What did they say? 1:50:51.360 --> 1:50:53.240 So this woman messaged me and she was like you, 1:50:54.439 --> 1:50:57.160 She's like, you know, you're not a hero that the 1:50:57.240 --> 1:50:59.720 people in Jackson are, you know, just so you know, 1:50:59.760 --> 1:51:01.960 there's saying that you did this and no one believes 1:51:01.960 --> 1:51:06.120 your story, and I'm like, okay, like I I was 1:51:06.160 --> 1:51:09.080 super respectful, I have you know, And then there's just 1:51:09.120 --> 1:51:10.160 other people that were like. 1:51:11.360 --> 1:51:13.920 Who would their right mind would go stand next to 1:51:13.960 --> 1:51:14.919 an elk carcass? 1:51:15.040 --> 1:51:15.880 Yeah, I don't. 1:51:15.960 --> 1:51:16.439 I don't know that. 1:51:16.880 --> 1:51:17.080 Yeah. 1:51:18.000 --> 1:51:20.479 One of the best, one of the best arguments for 1:51:20.520 --> 1:51:23.120 grizzly bear recovery is that you get enough of. 1:51:23.120 --> 1:51:24.320 Them that none of them have a name. 1:51:24.760 --> 1:51:30.000 Yeah, it's like or even a number that none of Yeah. 1:51:30.080 --> 1:51:34.360 The whole idea of like fandom around individual animals, Oh 1:51:34.479 --> 1:51:34.920 my god. 1:51:35.160 --> 1:51:39.080 Yeah, I mean it is what it is, and I 1:51:39.200 --> 1:51:41.160 don't it doesn't bother me because at the end of 1:51:41.200 --> 1:51:43.920 the day, like when these when these people are are 1:51:43.960 --> 1:51:45.920 setting this stuff to me, I'm just like, all right, yeah, 1:51:46.000 --> 1:51:47.679 someone's parents don't love them, and it shows. 1:51:47.880 --> 1:51:52.559 My favorite misconception was just be honest, it wasn't a bear, 1:51:53.360 --> 1:51:54.120 tell us what it was. 1:51:54.320 --> 1:51:54.519 Yeah. 1:51:54.920 --> 1:52:01.360 Yeah, don't know if that's what they're trying to go with, 1:52:01.520 --> 1:52:03.920 or if they're like, you did this to yourself somehow. 1:52:04.120 --> 1:52:04.920 I I don't know. 1:52:05.280 --> 1:52:12.840 I think with your history of baiting bucks into. 1:52:12.240 --> 1:52:19.400 The deer guy again, the crack guy. Yeah, was an adventure. 1:52:20.560 --> 1:52:22.400 You glad it happened or bummed it happened? 1:52:22.920 --> 1:52:27.240 You know, I'm a little I'm bummed. I I'm not 1:52:27.840 --> 1:52:30.760 I like being under the radar. So like my Instagram 1:52:30.800 --> 1:52:33.439 following went from like two thousand people to over twelve thousand. 1:52:34.479 --> 1:52:36.240 Uh, there's waiting for what's next. 1:52:36.320 --> 1:52:40.240 Yeah, that's that's a little something I'm not used to. 1:52:40.280 --> 1:52:44.160 I guess I'm thankful for some opportunities that did come 1:52:44.200 --> 1:52:46.479 out of it, but and I'm just thankful to be alive. 1:52:46.600 --> 1:52:51.519 And I hope that if anything, like people just learn 1:52:51.560 --> 1:52:53.720 from this experience the best they can and maybe it'll 1:52:53.760 --> 1:52:56.439 prevent one other one because it is I know, like 1:52:56.479 --> 1:52:58.960 when so the Otter podcast was like one of the 1:52:59.000 --> 1:53:00.240 ones I listened to on the way here or so, 1:53:00.280 --> 1:53:03.599 it's really in my mind. But you mentioned that you 1:53:03.680 --> 1:53:05.720 kind of want to have like a soft encounter with 1:53:05.720 --> 1:53:06.200 a grizzly. 1:53:06.439 --> 1:53:10.000 That's a little touch. Yeah, I don't know. This is like, no, 1:53:10.040 --> 1:53:11.040 I want that much. 1:53:11.120 --> 1:53:12.639 Maybe the softest an attack. 1:53:12.840 --> 1:53:14.120 Yeah, this was a lot to. 1:53:14.080 --> 1:53:15.679 Come up, and it's gonna be like listen, I'm gonna 1:53:15.720 --> 1:53:20.920 scratch you right the chest. This was you're ready. 1:53:21.520 --> 1:53:22.880 This is definitely okay, do it. 1:53:22.920 --> 1:53:24.400 I'm ready. 1:53:24.800 --> 1:53:27.320 This is a very mild attack all things considered a 1:53:27.360 --> 1:53:30.320 little too heavy duty for me. Yeah, it sucks. My 1:53:30.320 --> 1:53:33.160 my tissue and my legs is like really tight right now. 1:53:33.200 --> 1:53:35.400 So it's like not hard to walk, but I feel it. 1:53:36.320 --> 1:53:38.799 I feel like when I kneeled down, I'm stretching it. 1:53:38.800 --> 1:53:41.680 It feels really bizarre. And the shoulders just a really 1:53:41.680 --> 1:53:43.920 big step back because that's gonna hurt my climbing. I 1:53:43.960 --> 1:53:45.320 don't know if I'll be able to hunt this year. 1:53:45.400 --> 1:53:49.120 I might try to apply for a like a temporary 1:53:49.120 --> 1:53:53.040 crossbow license just but then I gotta buy crossbow. So 1:53:53.080 --> 1:53:55.040 it's kind of like, uh, I might just sit this 1:53:55.120 --> 1:53:55.599 year out. 1:53:59.400 --> 1:54:00.519 Across help you out. 1:54:00.640 --> 1:54:04.640 There's cliffs that you can lure. 1:54:05.040 --> 1:54:08.320 A good boulder set up. Yeah, I just. 1:54:13.400 --> 1:54:14.639 Now we played the wedding game. 1:54:15.479 --> 1:54:17.240 Yeah, so yeah, that would be cool if I could 1:54:17.240 --> 1:54:20.400 get across temporary crossbow license, because then I could I 1:54:20.400 --> 1:54:24.040 could hunt, and uh, that'd be sweet because I have 1:54:24.080 --> 1:54:25.920 put actually a lot of time in one of the zone. 1:54:25.960 --> 1:54:27.120 Pretty they'll give you one. 1:54:27.560 --> 1:54:30.040 Come on, you'll figure it out. We'll make some calls 1:54:30.040 --> 1:54:31.800 and find your cross that'd be cool. 1:54:31.840 --> 1:54:33.640 But I got to say I was not. 1:54:35.080 --> 1:54:37.400 I was not certain what you look like when you 1:54:37.440 --> 1:54:41.640 walked in here today, and uh, you know. 1:54:41.640 --> 1:54:42.920 You thought you'd look a little more beat up. 1:54:43.000 --> 1:54:45.040 Yeah, privately I thought maybe I won't be the worst 1:54:45.080 --> 1:54:49.360 looking guy at the podcast. But like you, I mean, 1:54:50.080 --> 1:54:51.880 if a guy saw you on the street, unless they 1:54:51.960 --> 1:54:55.240 knew what they're looking for. Like, I'm just shocked that 1:54:55.320 --> 1:54:58.000 it was three weeks ago, because some of those photos 1:54:58.000 --> 1:55:00.000 are pretty overwhelmed. 1:55:00.240 --> 1:55:04.360 Yeah, I don't. I've I've always bounced back pretty quick 1:55:05.080 --> 1:55:06.520 and and all these injuries. 1:55:06.240 --> 1:55:08.120 I had, Yeah, dude, you're a survivor. 1:55:07.680 --> 1:55:11.680 Man, every like the eye injury. You know. I was like, 1:55:11.840 --> 1:55:14.720 I'm I got deployed a Poland, Like I want to go, like, uh, 1:55:14.800 --> 1:55:17.320 you got to fix me, doc, And she's like, this 1:55:17.440 --> 1:55:20.840 is like a year long situation. I they fixed me 1:55:20.920 --> 1:55:24.080 up in six weeks. She was like there's no She's like, 1:55:24.600 --> 1:55:26.640 everything has to go exactly right for you to go 1:55:26.640 --> 1:55:27.160 to Poland. 1:55:27.480 --> 1:55:28.920 She said better than perfect. 1:55:29.480 --> 1:55:31.240 So at the postop appointment, I was like, how does 1:55:31.240 --> 1:55:32.839 it feel to be better than perfect? 1:55:33.040 --> 1:55:33.800 Wow? 1:55:34.520 --> 1:55:38.920 The brain surgery, I bounced back really fast. I was like, 1:55:38.960 --> 1:55:41.080 I said two months after I was hunting, you know, 1:55:41.120 --> 1:55:41.760 by myself. 1:55:42.280 --> 1:55:44.520 I get these ingrown toenails. 1:55:44.560 --> 1:55:45.440 Yeah, they'll suck. 1:55:51.440 --> 1:55:53.520 I see her off your wrist brace there. 1:55:54.520 --> 1:55:58.440 Oh, also good loss like carple To, a lot of 1:56:00.080 --> 1:56:03.120 your sympathy. I'm feeling you. No, Yeah, you've been health 1:56:03.200 --> 1:56:04.080 You've been through hell. 1:56:04.560 --> 1:56:05.680 Yeah, mm hmm. 1:56:07.200 --> 1:56:09.240 I hope to. I don't know. I don't know if 1:56:09.240 --> 1:56:11.320 I want you to keep it up, if I want 1:56:11.360 --> 1:56:12.080 you to chill out. 1:56:12.800 --> 1:56:15.080 I need you need like a little good luck streak, 1:56:15.160 --> 1:56:17.200 now I do I do you guys canna take a 1:56:17.240 --> 1:56:18.560 second Chance out of honeymoon? 1:56:18.560 --> 1:56:19.960 Do you feel sick? You feel like you got to 1:56:19.960 --> 1:56:20.480 take care. 1:56:20.400 --> 1:56:25.280 Of So next summer we'll be back in Montana. A 1:56:25.680 --> 1:56:30.480 company or organization rather called Operation Second Chance reached out 1:56:30.560 --> 1:56:35.120 to me and it's basically like disabled veterans or purple 1:56:35.120 --> 1:56:39.080 heart recipient retreat, so a couple's retreat. 1:56:39.240 --> 1:56:41.000 So we that's cool. Yeah. 1:56:41.120 --> 1:56:43.240 So they reached out and they're like, hey, man, like, 1:56:44.320 --> 1:56:48.480 actually this wonderful wildlife photographer out of Montana named Colleen 1:56:49.800 --> 1:56:51.160 I think she. I want to say she was the 1:56:51.200 --> 1:56:54.800 first person I responded to on Instagram. She's been super, 1:56:54.840 --> 1:56:58.640 super sweet this whole time. She like, she's like, if 1:56:58.640 --> 1:56:59.920 you ever want to come back, I'll show you this 1:57:00.160 --> 1:57:03.160 gray owls you can photograph. She sent me care package. 1:57:03.480 --> 1:57:07.080 She got me hooked up with this Second Chance organization. 1:57:06.880 --> 1:57:08.160 Photographer sticking together. 1:57:08.320 --> 1:57:16.600 Yeah, total sweetheart. She's been awesome. So yeah, I think. 1:57:16.480 --> 1:57:17.920 That's some stuff to look forward to. 1:57:18.200 --> 1:57:21.360 Yeah, I think that'll be the time. Unfortunately, like working 1:57:21.400 --> 1:57:26.000 for the government, time off is like I have generous 1:57:26.000 --> 1:57:27.800 time off. However, like this is going to set me 1:57:27.840 --> 1:57:30.800 back so far that I gotta like tiptoe around what 1:57:30.880 --> 1:57:32.880 we're gonna get for time what I'll have for time off. 1:57:32.960 --> 1:57:35.520 Yeah, that's working for the army. I also guys worked 1:57:35.520 --> 1:57:37.200 for the government, They've got nothing butt time off. 1:57:37.280 --> 1:57:41.120 Yeah, so I I, like I said, it can be generous. 1:57:41.160 --> 1:57:44.760 But because I'm at zero right now, essentially after the surgery, 1:57:47.120 --> 1:57:49.400 I'll have to I have to cruise some time off. 1:57:49.480 --> 1:57:51.560 But we'll we'll see by the time we get there 1:57:51.560 --> 1:57:52.280 out of a couple of weeks. 1:57:52.520 --> 1:57:55.560 So get your good job with the ARS, dude, Yeah, 1:57:55.720 --> 1:57:57.880 non stop time off, that'd be nice. 1:57:58.280 --> 1:58:02.160 Well, all right, man, thanks for coming on the show. 1:58:02.200 --> 1:58:06.600 Thanks for having us big fans. So yeah, really really 1:58:06.600 --> 1:58:07.240 happy to be here. 1:58:07.240 --> 1:58:08.200 Stay safe out there. 1:58:08.280 --> 1:58:08.680 Thank you. 1:58:08.720 --> 1:58:11.280 Do forget your bear spray again. 1:58:11.480 --> 1:58:14.680 Yeah, thanks for sharing my pleasure. 1:58:14.880 --> 1:58:15.800 I appreciate it. Thank you.