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Speaker 1: E dot com. Join Today by Shane Burke, fresh off

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Speaker 1: a Grizzly bear mauling.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Steve, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Here. I'm joking. I'm not joking.

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Speaker 1: He Shane Burke is here fresh off of Grizzly bear

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Speaker 1: malling don a Wyholming, joined h by his wife Chloe.

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Speaker 4: Hello, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: You're an EMT. Yes, where do you eat? Where do

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Speaker 2: you e m T at? Chloe?

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Speaker 4: Well, so I'm currently non affiliated, So let.

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Speaker 1: Me your job hunting, dude. If your job hunting, I

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Speaker 1: would pitch now hard.

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Speaker 4: I know right now I'm currently working.

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Speaker 5: As a licensed CMT working as a medical assistant.

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Speaker 4: But I used to work in Springfield, Massachusetts.

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Speaker 2: So you're not job hunting right now.

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Speaker 4: Not currently.

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Speaker 3: She's a nursing school right now.

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Speaker 2: So, oh, so you're gonna move out of the E

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Speaker 2: m T business.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but you were helpful in this whole mauling situation.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll get into the details. But if I

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Speaker 1: was gonna get mauled by a grizzy bear, I don't

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of funny because I'm always joking with friends

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Speaker 5: and stuff because people are.

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Speaker 4: Like, oh, like, don't worry clothing EMT. I'm like, I

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Speaker 4: really can't do that much.

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Speaker 5: Don't make me work while I'm on vacation, Like I'm

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Speaker 5: going to offer you an ice pack or you know.

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Speaker 1: Shane was Shane was attacked by a baron May And

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Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna go through that whole harrowing story.

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Speaker 1: But first I got up, Uh, tell these guys about

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Speaker 1: something real quick.

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Speaker 2: We have You know my kid's been selling pigeons.

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Speaker 6: Do you know how your kid's been spelling pigeon?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: How do you know?

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Speaker 2: He spells it with the J.

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Speaker 6: I always do that text.

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Speaker 2: I got that text.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's it's like the Hawaiian language pigeon, Like.

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Speaker 1: He spells around he's a bright kid.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one day he was for some reason or another.

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Speaker 2: I think I talked about this.

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Speaker 1: He started to spell America wrong, and I'm like, you

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Speaker 2: And come back to me and spell your country properly.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's no k in there?

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Speaker 1: Was it?

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Speaker 6: Really? I don't know?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he spells pigeon round. But uh so they got

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Speaker 1: they get a nice little We did it. We did

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Speaker 1: a night rate on what the hell days right now?

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Speaker 1: We had a night rate on Saturday night, and.

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Speaker 2: They wound up with three hundred and some dollars for

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Speaker 2: the pigeons.

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Speaker 1: Cool sold them all the next morning, and then they

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Speaker 6: So it has he come to the logical conclusion of like,

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Speaker 1: No pets, dude, Like the neighbor girl kept one and

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Speaker 1: my kids kept two. And now they got these pigeons

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Speaker 1: that you got to hand feed them. We took yesterday,

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Speaker 1: little things. And they've been there feeding them with hyrop.

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Speaker 7: This is how Mike Tyson got started.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know, and yeah, does your h my wife,

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Speaker 8: Does your h o A allow livestock operations?

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Speaker 1: My wife god's reading about like she's reading something that

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Speaker 6: Than you should showed. Uh, your your your boy and

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Speaker 6: and then he can start training them to race, and

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Speaker 6: that'll be more money than his pigeon trapping business has

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you could train them to be like Judas pigeons,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when I've raised I don't want to spend too

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Speaker 1: here's a weird thing that would happen. You eventually lose

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Speaker 2: What's gotten into you? Guys?

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like they'll hang around they

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Speaker 1: and then pretty soon the your pigeons will move in

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Speaker 1: you'd see one of your old pigeons hanging out with

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Speaker 1: the town pigeons. They they got to be to hang

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Speaker 2: They fall in with the downtown hang out late.

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Speaker 10: you know you're there kind of dependent on you for

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Speaker 1: Well they need to, because they were reading about how

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Speaker 1: they can live seventeen years in the wild and seventeen years.

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Speaker 2: And not in the wild in captivity. Yeah, and this

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Speaker 7: It's not allowed.

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Speaker 9: This it's not your retirement programor outdoor at your house.

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Speaker 2: They're not allowed in the house.

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Speaker 1: There's a space heat around.

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Speaker 3: So I actually, uh banned peregrine falcons every year on

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Speaker 3: this the first year I'll miss because of the bear attack.

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Speaker 3: But uh, lots and lots of bands pigeon bands on talents.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, where were you banned?

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Speaker 3: So I'm it's actually interesting because I was listening to

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Speaker 2: That was.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well I'll point out and Cal's defense he was

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Speaker 3: At first I was like he was making it like

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Speaker 6: I have lots of buddies who are rock climbers, so

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Speaker 6: I've gotten really good at making fun of rock climbers

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, I did see Red for a harpe.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, man, like but really he's he's

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Speaker 3: We do have an impact, like as any outdoor sport

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Speaker 3: has an impact in wildlife. So I actually very adult

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Speaker 3: of you. Directly, I managed the falcon closures at our

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Speaker 2: You like the bad guy, know somewhat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm the guy that will show up and be like, dude,

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Speaker 3: get the hell away from the birds, like leave helone.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, we banned them. I've been doing it for

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Speaker 1: We just released an episode with RFK Junior, who is

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Speaker 1: involved in peregrine restoration.

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Speaker 2: When they realized that, you know that he used.

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Speaker 1: The term double clutching. Oh yeah, when they were trying

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Speaker 1: to like repopulate peregrines. You know, you hear about if whatever,

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Speaker 1: any kind of bird will lose its first clutch, like

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Speaker 1: the spring, it'll just they'll get a second chance, possibly

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Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, they're not the best nest builders. They

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Speaker 3: don't build any nests. They just drop the eggs. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So sometimes they'll steal nests from like ravens and stuff,

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Speaker 3: but they're not very good at that part.

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Speaker 1: You know what a pigeon uses for a nest like

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Speaker 1: a stick, It uses its own I've never read this.

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Speaker 2: This is my observation. They build a nest of their

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and then they wonder why they get the reputation.

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Speaker 1: How'd you want up with the military, man? I always

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, my dad served, My uncle served nine to eleven. Happened.

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Speaker 3: I was young, but I always wanted to do my part.

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Speaker 3: my military career can go. After that, got back from Iraq,

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Speaker 2: So but I got lost it.

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Speaker 1: You wanted to go infantry, correct, but still one up

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Speaker 1: and I don't understand what were you doing?

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Speaker 3: So I'm a mechanic, Yeah, and my overall specialty is

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Speaker 3: what we call Hotel eight, which is recovery vehicles, so

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Speaker 2: And then you spent how much time there?

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Speaker 3: I was in country for eleven months and.

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Speaker 2: Then you didn't like coming home?

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Speaker 3: No, coming home socked?

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Speaker 3: It's like, you know, one of my mentors always told

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Speaker 3: me the Army is the easiest job you'll ever quit.

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Speaker 3: And it's just it's so simple there. You just got

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Speaker 3: lifestyle coming home and just trying to navigate you know, pushromac, stress, drinking, friendships, relationships,

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Speaker 3: it was. It was a lot. I came home with

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Speaker 3: So I walked left down the cliff band and all

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Speaker 2: And his buck is sunk into a crack right like

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Speaker 2: seen the pictures. I haven't. There's like a they need

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can do that. I can send him to

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Speaker 2: He's in a crack like.

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Speaker 3: So, Yeah, he falls into this crack and you got

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's pretty pictures worth a thousand words.

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Speaker 2: He's stuck in a crack. There's like a little cliff.

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Speaker 1: There's like a little cliff band, and where the cliff band,

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Speaker 11: He's wedged into what he's wedged between the face of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, four legs are poking down.

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Speaker 7: Through there, and and it is and you can.

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Speaker 2: Get under him and look up, and you can get

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Speaker 2: above him and look down. An impressive deer. Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I asked him if that's a nice buck around

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think unofficially scored like one three.

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Speaker 2: Wow, let's see Randa, Yeah, nice book.

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Speaker 11: I'm just looking at the picture. Now, there's a picture

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just like the deer. Yeah, it was a deer.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so yeah, so he's still alive. And so my

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Speaker 2: Out and you could have tagged it.

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Speaker 3: So I got a salvage tag. Yeah, yeah, because at

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Speaker 3: first Jesse was like, hey, like, you're gonna have to

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Speaker 3: I guess so, Like it's Massachusetts, deer harder to come by,

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Speaker 3: so the EPO sold st euthanize it, so we did.

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Speaker 3: We tried pulling him out, and if you see, the

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Speaker 3: more afraid that he would run still on fight or flight, however,

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Speaker 3: He's been there for a while.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he don't look like he's getting better.

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Speaker 3: No, No, he's he's pretty messed up. So we you know,

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Speaker 3: making the joke. He's like, man, this is if I

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Speaker 3: We never weighed him, but at least two hundred pounds.

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Speaker 2: What do you think he was doing? Do you think

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Speaker 3: Actually when I emailed you, he actually had a cataract

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Speaker 3: really old. Yeah. I think the biologist that came out

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Speaker 6: Did you describe this as the way I want to

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Speaker 1: I basically would have said in that situation, I'd be

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's kind of like a what was that guy

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Speaker 11: Aaron Ralston the one hundred and twenty seven hours right right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, his arm off.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he's just wedged between a rock and a hard place.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and you can see where that poor sucker was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one last row.

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Speaker 10: And then someone sent you a picture. Someone sent you

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Speaker 3: So I was getting a lot of flak for this.

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Speaker 2: Oh why why are people messed with you about? Who cares?

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Speaker 3: People just can't be happy for other people or just

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Speaker 3: I don't want to say happy, but like, this was

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Speaker 3: Like cool, it was a cool, unique experience.

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Speaker 2: And I took it. Delighted me to see that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Just like I was poaching? Yeah, and I did have

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Speaker 2: Really elaborate trap, yeah yeah they.

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Speaker 1: And it's so good at the that you duped the biologist, right, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: totally such a shrewd criminal. You shot an ice buck,

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Speaker 1: jammed it in there, got the fluid to run down

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Speaker 1: its legs, duped.

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Speaker 2: A biologist apparently.

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Speaker 1: And then walked away without even needing to use your tag,

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Speaker 7: Of a I'm picturing you wedging that boulder out with

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Speaker 7: a stick and standing there with a string and a carrot, and.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you poached it, I can see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's just that's that's how I do it. So,

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Speaker 2: Really Yeah, Chloe, I'm gonna get away with this. Who'd

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, perfect, alibi.

444
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 2: The meat was good enough.

445
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 3: We had the backstraps pretty quick.

446
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 4: We ran out of its rare.

447
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 3: It was probably the rarest me I've ever eaten.

448
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 1: So this is like a real thing about like high

449
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: stress people. Yeah, I mean even you want to talk

450
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: about some high stress ye.

451
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 6: Well, deer was there. He was feeding them corn for

452
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 6: like a wile. Just want to get it finished.

453
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 3: In your comments, people were like I would never eat that?

454
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 3: How could you eat that? Disgusting? And I'm like, dude,

455
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 3: like I don't know, man, it tastes like deer.

456
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 4: You didn't like that? Were too high stressed individuals?

457
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 6: Yeah right, I made a nice Asian dish last night,

458
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 6: and uh it was it was told told to me

459
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 6: that the ingredient list was a little too intense, and uh,

460
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 6: it tasted good, but it was too intense because I

461
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 6: used uh, gizzard, liver, heart, turkey, testicles and then.

462
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 2: An old Bucky found wedge and then and stuff.

463
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 6: It was really really good, but it was the knowledge

464
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 6: of the ingredient list.

465
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 2: It's up after a while, said.

466
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 6: Well, they don't ask.

467
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 2: No, I think it's good.

468
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 6: To know what you're eating.

469
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:36,919
Speaker 2: Bear's eye of all.

470
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:39,120
Speaker 6: Using it all?

471
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 2: What were the other criticisms? None as curious, I don't.

472
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 3: I mean it was so long ago.

473
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 2: You were Sunday hunting.

474
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was Sunday hunting pressured this deer to fall

475
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 3: off the cliffs.

476
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 2: Like a buffalo jump.

477
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 3: Right right.

478
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 5: There.

479
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 2: Had there been some number of people that just said,

480
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: oh that's.

481
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 3: Cool, Yeah, absolutely totally. I mean they got like I

482
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 3: have seen it, they got like four hundred shares in

483
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 3: the first couple hours in the morning.

484
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 8: Was that buck a total mystery book or did some

485
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 8: did you have anyone.

486
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 2: Like I know that buck?

487
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 3: So, like I said, it's like a lottery area they

488
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 3: got to apply for. I mean, I've in this area,

489
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 3: this specific area, but I hunt the surrounding area that's

490
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 3: legal to hunt outside of the lottery. And I've got

491
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 3: about ten cameras up. I've never seen them. I have

492
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 3: cameras there because I shed hunt there every year. Uh

493
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 3: and so yeah, season was it? Like this was the

494
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 3: pretty closest shotgun season, So like, oh, sorry, shotgun usually

495
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 3: starts December, I think, so this was like a week

496
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 3: before shotgun season.

497
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 6: To the brain tumor, yeah yeah, but can you imagine

498
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 6: the story some shotgun hunter would come up with if

499
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 6: they come came across that deer be like, oh.

500
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 2: No, no, no, oh I shot it. Oh yeah, I would

501
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 2: never A lot of people would have been it's Sunday.

502
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 2: You can't hunt Sunday. But I know where I'm gonna be. Yeah,

503
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: bring along.

504
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 3: So back to the brain tumor. I uh so it's

505
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 3: called I can't pronounce it, but acoustic neuroma.

506
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: Is that right?

507
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 3: Okay? Cool? I went to public school, so you know.

508
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 2: As did I think everyone at the table.

509
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 3: So yeah, So I found out post deployment to Poland

510
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 3: that I had this brain tumor and that it needed

511
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 3: to come out. Was a little bit smaller than a

512
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 3: golf ball couldn't keep it there. Obviously.

513
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 2: It was always measuring tumors by golf balls.

514
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 3: I don't know.

515
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 6: Randall had a face tumor too.

516
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 3: Randall, Yeah, this guy.

517
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 2: That one was the tip of your thumb. They didn't

518
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: dolf didn't do half a golf.

519
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 7: No, no, unfortunately.

520
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, as as two golf balls.

521
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 3: I was really shooting for a golf ball.

522
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 11: I thought if they could get that, I'd feel like

523
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 11: I got to accomplish something.

524
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 2: It made rand smarter.

525
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 3: Oh nice, Yeah, I name me a little slower.

526
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: But sor Ry Randall's got a good story where when

527
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: he uh, I think when it all came to a

528
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: thing and you really hit hit the fan.

529
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 2: He was in the middle of cooking, oh my fishing

530
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 2: game cookbook. That was my stroke.

531
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 7: Oh, that was my stroke.

532
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was.

533
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 11: I uh was making a big batch of mule deer

534
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 11: chili when I had a stroke. And then my wife

535
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 11: came home later after I'd been taken to the hospital,

536
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 11: and once it was clear that I was going to

537
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:52,239
Speaker 11: make it through the day, she said, I packed up

538
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 11: all that chili, but I haven't eaten any of it yet,

539
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 11: have you had?

540
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 2: She we didn't know what had happened.

541
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 11: She's like, do you think it's okay to eat or

542
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 11: should I freeze it? And we wait till we get

543
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,479
Speaker 11: the full right up. But actually my tumor when they

544
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,239
Speaker 11: woke up from this, when they woke me up from

545
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 11: the surgery, Sydney handed me my phone and she said,

546
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 11: Steve Ornella texted you. But what I said, oh my god,

547
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 11: you must have heard from cal that badger around no

548
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 11: which you said you said, was did you ever go

549
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 11: to that spot I told you about?

550
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 7: And if you did, did you see any bears there?

551
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 11: And I was like sitting there in the hospital with

552
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 11: like blood just like and I texted, yeah, saw a

553
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 11: bunch of bears, maybe six. And then immediately you responded,

554
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 11: was it all just thousand cups?

555
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 2: Continue?

556
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 7: Those are my Those are my meat eater related health jokes.

557
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 3: I said, yeah. So I basically when we found out

558
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 3: about the brain tumor, I actually ironically found out on

559
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 3: my brother's death anniversary. So I was like, just really bizarre.

560
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 3: I was alone, which really sucked. I shouldn't have like

561
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 3: opened my patient portal and saw the diagnosis.

562
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and you were already getting little deaf in

563
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: your right ear.

564
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I already was once.

565
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 2: Do you think that was related to well.

566
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 3: I mean I knew it was related to Basically, the

567
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 3: Army told me I had nerve damage and just like

568
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 3: from gunfire and just loud noises being a mechanic. All right, cool, Yeah,

569
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 3: makes sense. I guess it's not uncommon for people in

570
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 3: the military to go deaf, especially in my shooting year.

571
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 3: I guess because I'm right handed. Well I shoot rifle

572
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 3: right handed. So I told Chloe. We went to one

573
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 3: of my best friend's weddings, and then at their wedding,

574
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 3: I kind of looked at Chloe. We had been engaged already,

575
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 3: and I was like, why don't we just get married

576
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 3: before the surgery so we can you know, in case

577
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: anything happens, you'll be you know, five hundred thousand dollars richer.

578
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, So anyway, so we decided to have

579
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 3: a quick backyard wedding. It really sucked, as it wasn't

580
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 3: the wedding we wanted, but you know.

581
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 6: But just to save you here didn't suck.

582
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, reapproach that right. I was watching her carefully.

583
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 7: She didn't react.

584
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 6: Also, the best moment of my life.

585
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 3: Yeah next time, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was I.

586
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: Had a big wedding, and I tell people, I'm like,

587
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: don't do that.

588
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a waste of money.

589
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: You just forget about it.

590
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: Hansel Fast You're like talking to you know, like, oh

591
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: remember me, Yeah, I was your Sunday school, you know, and.

592
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, like the night's over. You're like,

593
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: there was a lot of money.

594
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean it was a very form We

595
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 5: had Chipotle catered.

596
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the way to do it.

597
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 7: Was.

598
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 2: It was awesome, perfect wedding, perfect wed It was great.

599
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: We had smoked eel.

600
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 3: That sounds interesting. Uh So yeah, we got married, and

601
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 3: then I like, It's what sucked was like I really

602
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,479
Speaker 3: couldn't be as present as I wanted because I was,

603
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:24,719
Speaker 3: you know, sure prepping for a very serious surgery. I

604
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 3: was very drunk, very fast.

605
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 5: To be fair, I wasn't very present either. I was like,

606
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 5: I don't know what's happening. It was like we played

607
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 5: it in two weeks.

608
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: So you're like, oh, I knows, I might be sitting

609
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: on a five hundred.

610
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 3: Grand lucky you. Yeah, so we you know, the surgery

611
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 3: went well. There was a high risk of face paralysis,

612
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 3: balance being really really like no balance or just having

613
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 3: difficulty balancing and some cognitive concerns. I have all of

614
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 3: the above two degree without the proles. That's fine, but

615
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 3: basically the nerve is really growing wrapped up and I'm sorry,

616
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 3: the tumor is growing all wrapped up in my facial nerves,

617
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 3: my balanced nerve, my taste nerve. So there's a lot

618
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 3: of risk. But basically the VA, and I will praise

619
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 3: the VA all day for this. They basically were like,

620
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 3: what hospitle do you want to go to? And I'm like, well,

621
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 3: who pays for this? And They're like, we do. I'm like,

622
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 3: let's go to Boston. And so I went to some

623
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 3: of the best doctors in the world for this and

624
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 3: they took really good care of me. So that happened.

625
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 3: That happened October third, and I was good to go

626
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 3: in the woods shotgun hunting in December.

627
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: Totally deaf right here, totally definitely right here.

628
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 3: It's it's challenging. This past season. I had a dose

629
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 3: sneak up on me when I was sitting in my

630
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 3: saddle and it was a really cool experience. Is my

631
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 3: first rut hunt ever at my dad's bow, and so

632
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 3: I was sitting in this in the saddle, and I

633
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,239
Speaker 3: heard something, but I couldn't. It's just really hard for

634
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 3: me to trianglate sound. That's why when one of these

635
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 3: guys talking.

636
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 9: Yeah, locating a gobbler could be brutal.

637
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I imagine I haven't tried it yet.

638
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, are our body Clay. He's deaf, mostly deaf in

639
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: one ear. Okay, he can't tell where he can't tell

640
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,719
Speaker 1: where he comes from. I feel like he said kind

641
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: of like ruined in a lot of ways.

642
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 2: It's ruined Turkey.

643
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 3: And for him, that's interesting.

644
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 2: I haven't got to have someone to like.

645
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: He kind of needs someone to point, like, well, he

646
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: can hear it, but he always points. He points like

647
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty degrees off everything.

648
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this dough is walking behind me, and I'm

649
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 3: also like, my eyes really messed up as well. So

650
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 3: I didn't have my glasses on because I shoot bow lefty,

651
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 3: so my right eye, sorry, my left eye is good.

652
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 3: So I turned and I was like, I think that's

653
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 3: a dough. So I had to like do another turn

654
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 3: this way to look over my left shoulder, and I

655
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 3: was like, all right, that's a dough. But she kept

656
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 3: looking over her back and I was like, oh, there's

657
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 3: got to be a buck on her, and so I

658
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 3: wrapped underneath my tether, grab my bow, and I just

659
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 3: waited and this big brute of a ten pointer came

660
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 3: running in and right as she walked away, I sprayed

661
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 3: some estress in the air that got him just really

662
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 3: stuck in the area. What really, Yeah, oh man, he

663
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 3: stopped as I got.

664
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 6: To push back. You keep knocking your mental faculties. But like,

665
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 6: I wouldn't be thinking about any of that stuff.

666
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: I don't know at this point. I'm you know, I wouldn't.

667
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 3: I'm not an amazing hunter. I've honestly only been hunting

668
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 3: since twenty twenty on my own, so I'm doing a

669
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 3: lot of this like trial and air stuff on my own.

670
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: And I just well, that won't ever stopped.

671
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: Just so, yeah, oh for sure, for sure, you'll never

672
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: be like got that all figured out.

673
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't believe it.

674
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 3: Problem, sorry to god, man, ass overhead stops and just

675
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 3: start sniffing like crazy and.

676
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: It so as you saw it. You put a little squirt.

677
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 3: Out as the dough walked away. So the buck was

678
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 3: about a minute, maybe two minutes behind her, and oh yeah,

679
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 3: it was. It was cool. So I draw back and

680
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 3: I was off by five yards, dropped under his belly.

681
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: He kicked up, I'm off by five yards. Yeah that's

682
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: fifteen feet. Yeah yeah, so what I so.

683
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 7: I didn't range him?

684
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: I didn't.

685
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 3: I was like too jittery. I just like, I really

686
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 3: just wanted to make a shot. I thought he was

687
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 3: at twenty five yards. He was more like thirty five yards,

688
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 3: so maybe ten yards.

689
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: Oh you're distance, judge, I missed. I went right under

690
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 2: his belly, right, shooting a way out there. Yeah yeah,

691
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: I know, right on, judge.

692
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

693
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: Was it bigger than the than the than the crack book.

694
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 3: I don't think so. No, the crack Buck, at least

695
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 3: body wise, is bigger. Yeah yeah, but he was a

696
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 3: nice ten point. I've been watching, and so he jumps

697
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 3: snorts a couple of times. I'm like, do I got

698
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 3: another shot? I was like, but I need to range

699
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 3: him this time to figure out like how far he was,

700
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 3: and he was after the shot, he pushed back about

701
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 3: fifty yards, and I just wasn't comfortable shooting at fifty

702
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 3: given how little experience I had at the bow at

703
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 3: this point, so I let him let him go. But

704
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 3: it was a really cool experience. Nonetheless, Yeah, yeah, so

705
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:17,439
Speaker 3: brain tumor. Uh so the balancing Basically, if you take

706
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 3: away my vision, my balance is still pretty jacked up

707
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 3: and pretty challenging because I don't have that inner ear.

708
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: I guess going for me anymore. Yeah, I get rdy go.

709
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 3: Sometimes you got to beat you because you're balanced. I

710
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 3: don't know, man, I.

711
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 2: Just thought, yeah, I thought you kicked my eye. I

712
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 2: thought you'd kick my head.

713
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 3: Days are over.

714
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 2: But now I know your balance is off. I might

715
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: take a while shot.

716
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 3: Let's try it.

717
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: Let's go now. Yeah.

718
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 3: So I remember the first time walking in Uh I

719
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 3: had my red light on and I was walking into

720
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 3: the shotgun and I was eight ship like seven. Yeah, man,

721
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 3: I was getting so frustrated. It sucked.

722
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: And you probably think you got lived like that the

723
00:35:58,719 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: rest of your life too.

724
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. It was because like this is two months after surgery,

725
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 3: so it's like this is it, this is what's going

726
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 3: to be. Like I just had surgery on your head.

727
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, the docks and oh that's fine.

728
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: Yeah I didn't tell them. Uh yeah, So I fell

729
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 3: a bunch, but I had the where with all the

730
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 3: changed the light color to green and that so it's

731
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 3: a red blue and green and then white light obviously,

732
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 3: so I changed it to green and that was just

733
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 3: a little bit better.

734
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting.

735
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was helpful, just like I could see

736
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: a little bit better and the depth perception was better.

737
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 2: So do you got a corrective lens on your het?

738
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, so what I was my right eye? Yeah,

739
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 3: because I'm telling you, guys are like dude, just making

740
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 3: all this stuff. So in twenty twenty.

741
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 2: You laughing about laughing about the next.

742
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 4: Details, which is really funny, like just retelling.

743
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

744
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 4: Story.

745
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 6: So and it's kind of surgery.

746
00:36:58,960 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

747
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: So prior to me leaving for Poland, I was shed

748
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: hunting and I had a stick puncture my eyeball, which

749
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 3: one my right eye. So that's why I wear glasses.

750
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 3: Now this this, my left lens, is just a lens.

751
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 3: There's no correction there. So I was, like the surgeon said,

752
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 3: is one one hundredth of an inch from losing my

753
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 3: eye or my vision in that eye? A stick, a stick, Yeah,

754
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 3: straightened my eyeball.

755
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 4: With like such velocity that like ruptured it. It was

756
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 4: like an open, open globe.

757
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 3: It's called I can show you pictures of that after

758
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 3: I had stitches in my cornea. It's absolutely was it

759
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 3: a branch? It just yeah, yeah, just literally like slink

760
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 3: shotted right into my eye. Oh, I was I was

761
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 3: leaving for for training for the army, and I just

762
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 3: was really excited to take my dog out for a

763
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 3: shed hunt. So I left work early, got into woods.

764
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 3: I was mile into the woods and whack hits me

765
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 3: in the eyeball. And I usually wear like it was

766
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 3: so cloudy that I didn't have you know, I usually

767
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 3: like wear some type of glasses, but all I had

768
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 3: was sunglasses. So I actually took them off and put

769
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 3: them on my hat. So if I had just kept

770
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 3: them on, I probably would have been obviously fine.

771
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: But damn.

772
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, So four years I've had this will be this

773
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 3: shoulder surgery from the bear attack on Friday will be

774
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,439
Speaker 3: the fourth surgery in three years. Actually, Okay, so it's

775
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to bounce back.

776
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 2: No, no, it's all helpful background. Yeah, let's move on

777
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 2: to Wyoming, all.

778
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 3: Right, cool, So, because we want to.

779
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: Get a picture of a totally debilitated man, and I

780
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: hope you come.

781
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 7: Back next year if you get struck by lightning.

782
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 1: Right, A sensory deprived, the sensory deprived, sort of half

783
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 1: their man in the mountains.

784
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 7: Yeah.

785
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, we were actually like starting to feel like recovered

786
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 5: enough from all that that were like, let's do it.

787
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 4: Let's finally go on our honeymoon.

788
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 2: This is the honeymoon. This is the honeymoon.

789
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 4: Honeyway.

790
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, HiT's keep coming, right.

791
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 4: So we rented a mini van.

792
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 3: And where did you wint the minivan? Enterprise?

793
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 2: No, I mean I don't mean like.

794
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 3: Oh, so you drove out, he'll plug for enterprise.

795
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 2: So you drove out. You rented a mini van to

796
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: go on a.

797
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 3: Road trip for a three week trip.

798
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 6: What did you guys?

799
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: Did you do?

800
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 6: Chrysler Town and Country.

801
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 3: Was a Chrysler of the mini van.

802
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, the reasonable daily rate.

803
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 9: Living in Violet built a.

804
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 4: Little like temporary bed platform in the back.

805
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was, uh.

806
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 9: Bag van life.

807
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 2: Has van life slash rental.

808
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 3: Yes, So we basically were planning on to do some climbing,

809
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 3: do some shed hunting and exploring, and we were softly

810
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 3: kind of looking to possibly move out to Wyoming. So

811
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 3: in the next few years when she's done at school.

812
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, actually got like a transition coming up.

813
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 3: So we had spent three days in the bad Lands,

814
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 3: which I just I love the bad Lands.

815
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: Let me ask, are you still a mechanic technically? Yeah?

816
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 3: Yeah so in the army.

817
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: Yes.

818
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 3: On the civilian side, I'm what's called electronics mechanic for

819
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 3: the army, so.

820
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: It's you're still working there.

821
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I'm an Army reservist mill tech, which is

822
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 3: a dual status position, so I'm contracted in to stay

823
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 3: in the reserves as long as I hold this civilian

824
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 3: job understood. So it's like I called it, backdoor draft.

825
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 3: Kind of sucks, but it's a pays the bills. So

826
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 3: we spent three days in the bad Lands, which I

827
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 3: love the bad Lands. I love how under traffic it

828
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 3: is compared to the other works, and it's got just

829
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 3: a lot of cool stuff. So I showed her that

830
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 3: because that's somewhere I've been, and I really enjoyed it.

831
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 3: We had a great time there. We went hiking in

832
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 3: the Big Horn National Forest, got charged by a moose.

833
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 3: That was fun.

834
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 4: I thought that was gonna be our scariest animal encounter.

835
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I got us all on top of yeah.

836
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, So I got us all on a boulder, her,

837
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 3: my dog and I and we just watched her kind

838
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 3: of just struck around being angry. She I was. I

839
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 3: was a little worried. I was like, we could be

840
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 3: up here for hours. I don't I don't have a

841
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 3: lot of dogs. Yeah, yeah, I know that.

842
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 10: Yeah.

843
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 4: I was actually the one that that spooked them.

844
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 5: And I'm terrified of moose anytime we run into them

845
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 5: in Massachusetts Chad hunting. Shane makes fun of me because

846
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 5: I'm always like shaking. Like there's one time I pointed

847
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 5: one out near.

848
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: Shaking like the girl from Jurassic Park, and I'm like,

849
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 3: I'm like, I mean it was only like ten feet away,

850
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 3: so for you know, context, and I just like looked

851
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 3: at it and I was like, this is right after

852
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,479
Speaker 3: my eye injury, so I had literally had an eye

853
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 3: patch on and I only had one eye and I

854
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 3: was just looking at the ground making sure I didn't fall.

855
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: Oh, this is shed hunting, Yeah, this is yeah, this

856
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: was in Massachusetts.

857
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. So she's like pointing at this movie and I'm like,

858
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 3: all right, it would already charge us if it didn't,

859
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 3: if it didn't want us here, And it just kept

860
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 3: eating its food looking at us, and then it just

861
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 3: did it one eighty and walked away.

862
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 5: So yeah, So during this most recent encounter, I was

863
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 5: the one that uh jumped them saw yeah, and saw

864
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 5: the calf first, and it like took off and I

865
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 5: was like, whow all right, like now this is a

866
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 5: safe distance away, like I'm gonna I'm gonna take a picture.

867
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 4: And I was looking at the picture. I was like,

868
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 4: looks kind of small.

869
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 5: And then and then I see mom like walking around

870
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 5: these boulders, just like grilling me, and I'm like, oh no,

871
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 5: So I for Shane, And because I didn't know what

872
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 5: to do, I don't I don't have the knowledge that

873
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 5: Shane has. So I just radioed to him and was like, uh,

874
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 5: I have a very angry mama moose that's not backing down,

875
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 5: and I'm like just trying to back up the hill

876
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 5: and give her space.

877
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 4: And yeah, she was just coming after me.

878
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 6: So and at this point, you know, if something bad happens,

879
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 6: it's going to happen to him. Get him over there.

880
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. So yeah, I got us all on a boulder

881
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 3: and she stayed for like fIF lingered around for like

882
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes, and then I could see her calf down

883
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 3: in the tree line, so she went to the calf

884
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 3: and we got out of there pretty quick after that.

885
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 3: I didn't want to stick around. Yes, yep, that was

886
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 3: in the Bighorn yep. So then we stayed in Cody

887
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 3: for a night. Then we got to Yellowstone and we

888
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 3: camped out there for three days and that was awesome.

889
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 3: We just drove around photographed animals. It's just like a

890
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 3: hobby of mine. I just like taking pictures of animals

891
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 3: as much as you know, anything else I do.

892
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 2: I guess.

893
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 3: Sold some photographs, but haven't made up for the equipment

894
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 3: I've paid for. Uh yeah, So Yellowstone is cool. I've

895
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 3: never been there before. It's nice to get there before

896
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 3: the crazy Taurus. And then we were heading south to

897
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 3: Moab and we're just going to drive through the Tetons

898
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 3: for a few hours, just check that out. We had

899
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 3: done some research about the great gray owls and Signal

900
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 3: Mountain is kind of a hot spot, so that's when.

901
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 4: We at least read it. Told me so read it.

902
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 2: That's a good place to see a great gray owl.

903
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we parked, we walked up Signal Mountain Road,

904
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 3: and so it was the three of us, two of

905
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 3: us with the dog. We walked up there together for

906
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 3: about half a mile.

907
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 6: Maybe it's not a remote back country.

908
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 3: Not at all. Yeah, yep, and it was.

909
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 5: It was close to cars, but there were so many

910
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 5: cyclists and pedestrians and stuff.

911
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 3: There's dozens of people up there that day.

912
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 10: Yeah.

913
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 3: So as we're walking up there was actually like a

914
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 3: safari like a I don't know, yeah that country guy.

915
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and like we so we bumped into them

916
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh yeah, we went on and off

917
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 3: the trail. They didn't see any sign of owls, but

918
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 3: they're out there somewhere and they're like, didn't see any

919
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 3: bear sign either. I'm like, you're like and they asked me, like,

920
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:29,439
Speaker 3: do you have bear sprayers like cats?

921
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 2: Right here?

922
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 3: Right on my f h F.

923
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: Good job you had you had the spray holster underneath the.

924
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 3: I didn't have the holster. I ended up buying because

925
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 3: I've never thought about bear spray until coming out West.

926
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 3: He's the black bear. I know that they can be

927
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 3: dangerous still, but every every black bear ever see their run.

928
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, they're running away from me. So anyway, so

929
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 3: I just bought like some cheap elastics to hold it

930
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 3: in place. I did stop at the meat eater store

931
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 3: let yesterday and buy the Holster though.

932
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell what you were here for.

933
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 3: No, I didn't know. I don't know.

934
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: I didn't. I like to think they would have given

935
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: it to you. You always got it.

936
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 11: You walk in there, and do you know who I am?

937
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 11: Do you have any idea who I am? We've gotten looks.

938
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 3: I think some people do know, because we've definitely some

939
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 3: people looking at us a couple of times. So anyway, yeah,

940
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 3: it's going on.

941
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 4: Good Morning America, will do that.

942
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. So eventually Chloe decided like, hey, like, you know,

943
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 3: I only have the bear spray, I'm gonna go back

944
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: to the cars, like cool, I'm just gonna give myself

945
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 3: an hour up here. I'll bounce on and off the road.

946
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 5: And I knew too, like I had Cadence with me,

947
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 5: our dog, and I wasn't gonna be able to go

948
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 5: everywhere that he wanted to go, and like, you're not

949
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 5: supposed to take dogs off the more than a hundred

950
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 5: feet off the road in national parks, so I want

951
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 5: to be respectful of that too. So yeah, I just

952
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 5: turned around and I was going to iron out some

953
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 5: things with our itinerary and whatnot.

954
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 4: And yeah, sorry, no.

955
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 6: You're very You're endearing yourself to this crowd following the

956
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 6: rules in a national park, especially fleash dogs.

957
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 5: They're supposed to protect dogs from wildlife and wildlife from dogs.

958
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 4: And you know, we can't help, but wonder how things might.

959
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 6: Have you actually like read the signs and stuff all

960
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 6: the printed materials out there. That's amazing.

961
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what saved my life, partly, partly.

962
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 5: And probably why our dogs still alive. I mean, I

963
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 5: don't know what would have happened if she had been there.

964
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I had been walking all over the place

965
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 3: up there. I have a pretty good sense of direction

966
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 3: that like naturally, I had a compass with me. My

967
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 3: phone's GPS was not working very great, zero service for

968
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 3: the most part. So after an hour goes by, I'm like,

969
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 3: I look at my watch. I had set a timer

970
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 3: for an hour and fifteen that my alarm went off.

971
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 3: I was like, oh shit, Like, you know, I told

972
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 3: her I'd be back in an hour. She's probably getting

973
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 3: a little worried. So I looked at the GPS and

974
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 3: basically it was just both on X and Google Maps

975
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,479
Speaker 3: was just pictulated like you parked here and here's yours.

976
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: You had to downloaded the map.

977
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, because we didn't discuss going to this location until

978
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 3: the drive there, and at that point I had no

979
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 3: service to download anything.

980
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 5: This was like, let's pull over and stretch our legs

981
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 5: for a second. I heard there might be owls here, right, so.

982
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 3: Nice, but you know, it's still pointed me in the

983
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 3: right direction back to the parking lot.

984
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 2: How far are you from the parking.

985
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 3: Lot when the attack happened?

986
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: Ye, I don't know at this point.

987
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 3: At this point it's hard to say.

988
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 5: Well, so up the road we had gone three quarters

989
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 5: of a mile and then yeah, but.

990
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 3: I wandered all up on top of Signal Mountain, so

991
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 3: I any any the furthest probably was maybe a couple

992
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 3: of miles.

993
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 2: How far from the road were you.

994
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe from single mountain road? Probably just a mile

995
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 3: At any given time, it was never more than a mile.

996
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 3: So I start b lining back to the parking lot.

997
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 2: Like you're you bush wagon down right? Yep?

998
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 3: And this straight line yep. And so just basically walking

999
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 3: mostly east in a little southeast and uh, and I

1000
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 3: just I'm in the woods all the time. So I

1001
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 3: moved really fast and efficiently, and I think that was

1002
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 3: part of my problem, was it was really windy out.

1003
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 3: I think if I remember correctly, when was up to

1004
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 3: forty miles per hour that day. So as I'm going

1005
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 3: through the woods.

1006
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 2: And what's the topography, like, are you going to steep?

1007
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 2: Is it steep?

1008
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say steep, No, it was there was it

1009
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 3: was you know, it was a big hill, but not

1010
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 3: overly steep. I can I have it all plotted on

1011
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 3: an on X seconds.

1012
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: It's got a mature timber on it. Yep.

1013
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, lots of down trees. So I'm at this point

1014
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 3: at the bottom of Segnal Mountain kind of and I'm

1015
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 3: like in this weird valley and then there's just like

1016
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 3: hill protruding out. And once I get around that hill,

1017
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 3: I see the cub running.

1018
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 2: And you're how far from the car at this point?

1019
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 3: I want to say, fifty to seventy yards?

1020
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 2: Oh you're back at the car.

1021
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 3: No, I'm sorry, I thought you said the cub not

1022
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 3: the car.

1023
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, how far from the car?

1024
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 3: Half a mile? Like point actually point six got you

1025
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 3: just halling ass, halling ass, making noise And I was talking.

1026
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 6: Out loud, but tons of ambient noise as much as

1027
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 6: I wind.

1028
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right right, It's like so the bear didn't

1029
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 3: hear me.

1030
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 2: You were talking a lot. What were you saying?

1031
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 3: I basically was just I was actually more or less

1032
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 3: in the army, like when we march, we sing cadences

1033
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 3: and yeah, so it's it's kind of like it's just

1034
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 3: something that's always just like grained in my like just

1035
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 3: sinched in my mind.

1036
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: So you know, just give give me a sample cadence.

1037
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: I don't know the one you're doing. I just want

1038
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: to sample cast so naughty.

1039
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 3: No, no, no, like not like the old I can't say

1040
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 3: that one nevermind. No, just like there's some like uh,

1041
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 3: airborne ones. So you just be like, I hear the

1042
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 3: choppers hovering, they're hovering overhead. They come to get the wounded.

1043
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 3: They've come to get the dead.

1044
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 2: Gotcha, you know so that sounds more like a shandy

1045
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 2: yeah kind of.

1046
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 3: So anyway, I just kind of just doing that and

1047
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 3: just talking out loud.

1048
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 2: Thinking about bears.

1049
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I was bears were a big concern for me,

1050
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 3: Like not that I like I was overly afraid of them.

1051
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 3: I just was like, I know we're going to see them.

1052
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 2: You're not baranoid, you're better aware, right, Yeah, totally.

1053
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 3: I was just thinking about them, and I knew they

1054
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 3: existed out there and it was their home. And so

1055
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 3: I see this cub running about fifty yards ahead of me,

1056
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 3: and I was like, fuck running the other way, yeah,

1057
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 3: running away, And I was like, I know, Mom's got

1058
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 3: to be nearby. And so the first thing I did

1059
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 3: was I took my bear spray out. And a lot

1060
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 3: of people are like, oh, I bet you wish you

1061
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 3: had a ten millimeter or this, blah blah blah. Sure,

1062
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 3: I always I always feel a little better when I

1063
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 3: have a gun on me. However, in this situation, it

1064
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 3: just wouldn't have worked by the time I saw that.

1065
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 3: When I saw the cub having the bear spray out

1066
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 3: pulling the safety off, within three seconds, Mom was on.

1067
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: Me, all right, let me let let's back up, not

1068
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: back up, but I just want to I want to

1069
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: talk about this three seconds realkod you like, you register

1070
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: a cup running fifty yards away. You know it's a

1071
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: grizzly oh yeah, just something about it?

1072
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, and.

1073
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: You without it, without without hearing or seeing anything of

1074
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: the sow. You know, you just spooked a cup and

1075
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 1: you pull your bear spray out.

1076
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 3: Absolutely and you throw the safety on the spray I

1077
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 3: was trying to Yeah, okay, so this is all like

1078
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 3: super fast, right, and then what's the very next thing?

1079
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:49,240
Speaker 2: You register.

1080
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 3: Mom's eyes at what distance?

1081
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: A couple of feet a couple of feet.

1082
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 8: Coming straight at you or from the side.

1083
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 3: Just diagonally to my left, so just barely like in

1084
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 3: my ten o'clock a few feet ye, And as soon

1085
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 3: as I saw her, your attention on that cub, right, yeah,

1086
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 3: so I was looking at the cub.

1087
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 6: You could have potentially been looking over the top of Mom's.

1088
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 3: Back and uh so I think she was already charging me.

1089
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 3: I just did it, like I said, was windy.

1090
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: Like if that cub hadn't been that, you probably would

1091
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: have picked up something. Yeah, yeah, you'd have picked up movement.

1092
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think so. I was just so gave you.

1093
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 2: So.

1094
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 3: I think part of the issue was they were actually

1095
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 3: walking towards me, and I was walking towards them at

1096
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,760
Speaker 3: one point. And I can reiterate on that after after

1097
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 3: post attack. So I remember her amber eyes like they're

1098
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 3: just they're in my head for the rest of my life.

1099
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 3: And I know you were talking about your bear encounter

1100
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 3: and how it really affected you for a long time.

1101
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 3: I closed my eyes and I see your eyes and

1102
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 3: I just kind of as she jumped up, I just said,

1103
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 3: no bear, no bear, and I I just knew I

1104
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 3: didn't have time to just spray, I guess.

1105
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: So when she jumped up, what what did it seem

1106
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: like she was coming at just like generally you kay?

1107
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, just she was just gonna hit whatever part of

1108
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 3: me she could hit with her paws. Yeah, I'm not

1109
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 3: even sure. I mean her her muzzle is right there

1110
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 3: and everything.

1111
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 2: Was it a mouth open? Yeah, So she's coming at you? Yeah?

1112
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I just like reading the kioski and when.

1113
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: You when you think about it, you're standing, Okay, how

1114
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: when she's on the ground on all fours, where is

1115
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 1: her back on you?

1116
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 3: It's hard to say. I was so fixated on her face.

1117
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't. I can't put a size on that.

1118
00:54:58,120 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 3: But I know when she got on her hind leg

1119
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 3: she was taller than me.

1120
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1121
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 6: So so you kind of went from like looking at

1122
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 6: or even down maybe.

1123
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 3: Down, definitely down on down. And when she jumped, she

1124
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 3: got kind of like it was like more of a pounce,

1125
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 3: but she was definitely taller than me. And I reverted

1126
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 3: back to the signs outside the trails. It's like if

1127
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 3: you are getting attacked by a bear, get down, lay

1128
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 3: down on your belly and cover your your neck with

1129
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 3: your hands and keeping your arteries clear, you know, protected,

1130
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 3: and just waited out and try to play dead. Uh.

1131
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what that first bite on the shoulder

1132
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:41,919
Speaker 3: which ended up you know, I didn't know at the time,

1133
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 3: but she broke my shoulder and I have a complete

1134
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 3: what's it called this?

1135
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 10: Oh?

1136
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 4: Sorry, you have a displaced displace fracture? You're a Roman.

1137
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that bite I'm not have.

1138
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you or blow Yeah, I couldn't tell you.

1139
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 3: But that's where she tackled me. Simultaneously, as I started

1140
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 3: to like turn and get down, that's when she jumped

1141
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 3: on my back. She bit my shoulder, She bit down

1142
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 3: through my so canine went down through my trap and

1143
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 3: then her lower mandible canine went up into my lat

1144
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 3: and so I have like pretty good gash on my

1145
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 3: lat The puncture in my trap was just crazy as

1146
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 3: like really really deep.

1147
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:30,879
Speaker 8: Her canine bang right.

1148
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, So she took me to the ground and she

1149
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 3: kind of like flopped and I flopped like trotten in

1150
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,479
Speaker 3: front of me. Turned around. I screamed from the first bite.

1151
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 2: Well, and she did what now, Like like.

1152
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 3: When she tackled me, she kept running after she hit me,

1153
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 3: she kept running in front of me, and then she

1154
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 3: just did a one eighty and stepped on my back.

1155
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 3: And I've never felt more powerless in my entire life.

1156
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 6: It was almost like world wrestling, like a little victory

1157
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 6: lap after.

1158
00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:58,879
Speaker 2: I got him.

1159
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: And then when she blew through you and did that bite,

1160
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: did it linger or was it just like a pass

1161
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: through um?

1162
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 6: She didn't grab yet shake.

1163
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 3: I don't think she did. I don't know. I think

1164
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 3: there would have been more damage if she shook. But

1165
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 3: also she did break my shoulder, so maybe so when

1166
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 3: she stepped on my back, she just like bit one

1167
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 3: of my legs, and I was like, I just basically

1168
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 3: started just putting my face in a dirt and shaking

1169
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 3: my face in a dirt, trying to like muffle as

1170
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 3: much of my groaning and screaming as I could. So

1171
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 3: she bit me a few times. I couldn't tell you

1172
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 3: which leg at what point. I do believe the last

1173
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 3: bite in my leg was my right one, and that

1174
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 3: was the worst one because she had actually picked me

1175
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 3: up from my legs and I just basically was planking

1176
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 3: in her mouth. I was trying to stay as stiff

1177
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 3: as possible so she couldn't. She would have a harder

1178
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 3: time rolling me over and getting to my vitals.

1179
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 10: God thinking on his feet again, amazing, Yeah, jose a grizzly.

1180
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 6: It was a big planker. But I don't know you

1181
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 6: thinking about that in that moment.

1182
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 3: It was I just I remember just telling myself, just

1183
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 3: shut up, shut up, stay as stiff as possible. But

1184
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 3: I think, like at this point, the last bite she

1185
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 3: I swear to it hurts so bad that I let

1186
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 3: out like another loud scream.

1187
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 8: Were you like stretched out or curled.

1188
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 3: Up, stretched out, laying down what we in the military

1189
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 3: would call prone, like laying you know you're taking a.

1190
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 6: Laying down shot, right, yeah, yep. Meanwhile, Chloe's back the car,

1191
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 6: being like every time, every time it's an hour, an

1192
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 6: hour turns into.

1193
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 11: Two an hour for an hour and fifteen minutes.

1194
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 7: All too after.

1195
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 3: That is so true. She's a She's a saint.

1196
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 4: Do I tell them about the text message?

1197
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you can because he said that yet or not?

1198
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 6: No, No, maybe we'll get that closure.

1199
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 3: We'll get that in a second. Okay, So anyway, uh,

1200
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure like her one of her canines had

1201
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 3: like tickled my femur and that's why I just got

1202
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 3: so pain. Yeah, and so she dropped me and it

1203
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 3: was just like, uh.

1204
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 2: Well did she have you off the ground a little bit?

1205
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, she just left me up by the leg,

1206
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 3: by the leg my my face was still on the

1207
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 3: ground though.

1208
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1209
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 3: And when I screamed from.

1210
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:28,439
Speaker 6: How much do you think you weigh?

1211
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 3: Do I weigh?

1212
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1213
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 3: Okay yeah, and she was probably three eighty four hundred, So.

1214
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 2: Now I think you would kick my eyes even with

1215
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 2: all the all the.

1216
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 6: Disabilities, you're just gonna keep thinking the whole way.

1217
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1218
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 3: Uh so yeah, she dropped me and it was just

1219
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 3: like I don't describe it, but it was just like

1220
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 3: a I don't know, just nonchalantly just dropped me and

1221
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 3: then just stepped on my back again like she's casual, right,

1222
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 3: just like this motherfucker's dead, like he's I'm gonna get Yeah.

1223
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 3: Well she was like she's like I'm gonna put you down.

1224
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 2: Now. Does she vocalize it all?

1225
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's hard to describe. It was just like

1226
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 3: I mean, you've you've heard him like that like pant

1227
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 3: that they have, Like yeah, well, like it was.

1228
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:25,439
Speaker 2: That so no crazy like barking.

1229
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 3: Not at all, just like a yeah, it's I can't

1230
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 3: describe it, but it's like that normal like if you

1231
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 3: hear too gris like if you watch a documentary two

1232
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 3: grizzlies fighting or something like that. So that like I

1233
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 3: screamed pretty loud from that, she drops me, and.

1234
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: She doesn't seem to be uh after this, she doesn't

1235
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: seem to be Like it's a hard question to ask,

1236
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: but does she seem like jacked up and pumped up? Oh,

1237
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: she griled up and like stiff legged, and.

1238
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was so dude, it was so violent, Okay,

1239
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 3: like she want like she wanted me dead. But it's

1240
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 3: easy because like the more I look at my wound,

1241
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:05,439
Speaker 3: like my scars, now, I'm like, you know, this could

1242
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 3: have been so much worse, like just bit you on

1243
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 3: the head and killed And the fact that like she

1244
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 3: didn't just completely rip like grapefruit size chunks out of

1245
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 3: my thigh, Like I just I don't understand why and

1246
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 3: how she bit me.

1247
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 2: We had a shed hunter get killed that far from

1248
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 2: your couple. I read about that and then.

1249
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: I talked to someone who'd done an investigation on that,

1250
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: and they just they felt that it was instant, like

1251
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, I never got I don't know what

1252
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: the injury was, but then it was instant.

1253
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean that one bite, right, could that

1254
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 2: one bite in the right spot?

1255
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 3: Just yeah, I'm so damn lucky she didn't get in

1256
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 3: any of my my leg arteries or anything like that.

1257
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 6: So now she's standing on top of you again.

1258
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 3: And so I had screamed.

1259
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: Like placing her front feet on you, Yeah, at least

1260
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: one like a like pining you down or anything, and uh.

1261
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 6: Wave into the crowd like this.

1262
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's when she went to bite. You know,

1263
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 3: I suspect would have been my neck in my head.

1264
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 3: She obviously she got my hand, my right.

1265
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 2: Hand here and see your back, I see your back, Yeah, we.

1266
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 3: Can show you after. And then she got that behind me. Watch.

1267
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 3: So that's some teeth, yes, those yeah, yeah, those are

1268
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 3: bite marks.

1269
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 2: Do you have claw marks all over you?

1270
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 3: Just a little, but those have healed like they're scarred,

1271
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 3: but they're not as deep as you would expect for orange

1272
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 3: claws to cut you. Yeah, so she uh, she went

1273
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 3: for the head and thankfully, I still had the bear

1274
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 3: spray in my hand. So you're holding the spray the

1275
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 3: whole time. Yeah, unbeknownst to me. Honestly, I didn't even

1276
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:50,439
Speaker 3: know I still had it. So when she bit down

1277
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 3: at this point, I wasn't feeling So the.

1278
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: Bear sprays in your hand and you're still trying to

1279
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: protect your back, right yep.

1280
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 3: So just trying to protect the back of my neck

1281
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 3: and my neck and my head.

1282
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 2: Is your finger through the ring yep? Got it? Yep?

1283
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 3: And so she bit down, like I said, she got

1284
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 3: my wrist in my hand and then she got a

1285
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 3: mouthful of the can.

1286
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: So when I paused, you want said, sure we had

1287
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,439
Speaker 1: a person, not we had a girl on one time

1288
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: that got mold.

1289
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 2: H Oh.

1290
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: She got tore up pretty good. But she was in

1291
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 1: the same situation where she's down and it's biting here

1292
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: on her back, and she's holding it and just sprays

1293
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: it in the face while it's biting her.

1294
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 3: And that's what saved her.

1295
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 1: It just happened like had the spray in her chest

1296
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: and just is able to do like a blind shot

1297
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: over her shoulder.

1298
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:44,959
Speaker 3: That's incredible, and got it had dropped her.

1299
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 10: Did you ever go through your mind to try to

1300
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 10: discharge the spray.

1301
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 3: I didn't even know it's still holding it. So yeah,

1302
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 3: it wasn't an instinctual thing at that point.

1303
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, all this has happened within like ten seconds.

1304
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, How many seconds do you think at this point?

1305
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 3: I think the whole attack was probably sixty to one

1306
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty seconds. Oh so maybe two minutes tops. Yeah.

1307
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: So once she hit you were like, I mean, you

1308
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: said it a bunch of times, real clear, but just

1309
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: reiterating like you're holding it and gripping the spray, but

1310
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 1: you forgot about you're gonna Yeah, I shoot this thing

1311
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: with the.

1312
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 3: B I just had the ring only, and so it

1313
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 3: was kind of like sticking up dagony up with the

1314
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 3: bottom of you know, facing up. So when she bit

1315
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 3: down and I heard the pop, I was like, that's

1316
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 3: your skull, dude, like she's she's got you. And then

1317
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 3: I felt the warm sensation go down my back.

1318
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 2: When you say heard the pop, what do you mean?

1319
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 3: So the can popped because it's pressurized. So when she

1320
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 3: bit down, it okay.

1321
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I got it, so, but did you know

1322
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: that it was the can? It took a second so

1323
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: I would originally thought it was part of you.

1324
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 3: That's what I thought. I thought it was my probably

1325
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 3: my skull.

1326
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 2: I was in.

1327
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: A vehicle roll over one time coming back from hunting

1328
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 1: and I just got a coffee at a gas station

1329
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 1: and we ended up hanging upside down the seat belts

1330
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like and I thought, I was like, oh,

1331
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 1: it's all my blood running out of my head. And

1332
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: I remember touching the back of my hair and looking

1333
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 1: at my hand.

1334
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 2: There was no blood there.

1335
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 1: It's not coming coffee, nothing wrong, nothing wrong whatsoever. For

1336
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: this one second, I'm like, oh, no, my life's blood.

1337
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, so so pam pop yep. And I my initial

1338
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 3: thought was like, oh ship, she just popped you in

1339
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 3: the head, like your your skulls open and I felt

1340
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 3: warmth going down my back and my blood I thought

1341
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 3: was blood and uh then I heard her panting and

1342
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 3: running away and I was like, I was like, wait

1343
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 3: what And so I got.

1344
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 2: Up, like and what noise? What noise is she making

1345
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 2: just the same like okay, so not a different in

1346
01:05:58,240 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 2: pain noise.

1347
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 3: She just like I mean, I don't want to describe

1348
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 3: it as sneezing, but like it was just like she

1349
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 3: was very uncomfortable and couldn't breathe properly. I guess I

1350
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 3: don't know. And I heard her thumping running away and

1351
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 3: then that so I was like, you're alive, and I

1352
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 3: got up in the push up position. I saw her

1353
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 3: running up the hill that her cub ran.

1354
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 2: Up, and she went in the direction of her cob.

1355
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm ninety nine percent sure. It was very disoriented

1356
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 3: and regardless.

1357
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 2: But so.

1358
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 3: After she ran away, I got up and I ran

1359
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 3: the opposite direction.

1360
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 2: You were still able to run?

1361
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I ran, I want to say, almost half a mile.

1362
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 2: Now, how are you not full of spray?

1363
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 3: I am. I'll show you the picture after But.

1364
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 2: I mean, are you blinded?

1365
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 3: Nope, it didn't infect my eyes whatsoever. I don't know

1366
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 3: how or why, because.

1367
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 2: They've pulled that part of your brain out probably right,

1368
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 2: they also nick.

1369
01:06:58,360 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 6: Eyes.

1370
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 2: The backs already combines to make your super power. Yeah,

1371
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 2: while I was in there, I did you a favor.

1372
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 2: So was it in your nose and mouth?

1373
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll show you a good picture after hand.

1374
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 2: But when that can went, did it dribble or did

1375
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 2: it poof? Okay? Yep?

1376
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 3: And so when I got up and started running.

1377
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 2: Her teeth went through the can. Who's got the can?

1378
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:26,959
Speaker 3: Now? National Park?

1379
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:28,439
Speaker 2: Are you get in the back?

1380
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 7: No?

1381
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 2: Why not?

1382
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 3: They gave me the holster back because you DAP. Thank

1383
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 3: you, you DAP for saving my life. You DAP comes with

1384
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 3: a holster like a plastic holes.

1385
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 2: You need the can?

1386
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 3: I don't need it.

1387
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 2: Can we get it for our auction house of bodities?

1388
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 3: I mean, do you want to contact I have the can?

1389
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:48,919
Speaker 2: Why would they be able to have your can?

1390
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1391
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 6: Did they request to keep it?

1392
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,479
Speaker 3: They did not, but it never crossed my mind.

1393
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,919
Speaker 2: You got a can with a bear's teeth holes in it.

1394
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 6: And not just like a random one you found.

1395
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 2: They saved your life.

1396
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got lots of beare teeth holes because I

1397
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 1: always bite our polly pipe and our cav.

1398
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 2: I mean, no one cares about.

1399
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:15,919
Speaker 1: That, but uh, you gotta get that can we put

1400
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: the auction House of Bodies, I.

1401
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 2: Mean or whatever you can? Or he could keep it.

1402
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 6: I don't know what.

1403
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 3: They can go to action and someone's interested.

1404
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 6: About your old staples.

1405
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 2: That they took your can?

1406
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh so they took all my clothes.

1407
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 2: They actually take your can?

1408
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1409
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 11: Gets off the damn mountain I've been holding my bread

1410
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 11: here and a half to three minutes.

1411
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 2: So she runs, She runs, iron pepper sprayed. Yep.

1412
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: I mean, is there any with all the pain from

1413
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: the biting? Are you registering like an intense stinging?

1414
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 3: No?

1415
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 2: What do you? What are you registering? Are you like?

1416
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: Are you are you thinking? I'm so injured I'm gonna die.

1417
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 1: I can't believe how uninjured I am.

1418
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 3: I looked at my hand and I was like, if

1419
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 3: my hand looks like that, then I don't want to

1420
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 3: know what the rest of me looks like.

1421
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 8: So you're probably just going on adrenaline.

1422
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you knew what way to run?

1423
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 3: Yeah? Why stopped the direction of the bears the best?

1424
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 2: So didn't you didn't go toward the truck? No, the van? No,

1425
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 2: I just were getting out of there.

1426
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 3: I was just getting too safely clearing because I knew

1427
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 3: I was I knew I was bleeding pretty bad. The

1428
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 3: back of my pants were completely red. I didn't get

1429
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 3: any good pictures. I'll share the video, which I took

1430
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 3: just in case I did die. I'm happy to share

1431
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,680
Speaker 3: that offline, but that's something that I think is a

1432
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 3: little too intimate share the public. There's you get a

1433
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 3: little glimpse of my my butt and not physically but

1434
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 3: like the blood amount of blood on my backside. When

1435
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 3: I started running, there was this big pilos like there's

1436
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 3: some leftover snow from the winter. And as I'm running

1437
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 3: through that, I see the grizzly tracks in there. So

1438
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 3: that is what fuels my high po athesis that they

1439
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 3: were walking towards me at the time.

1440
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 2: Got it?

1441
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 3: So I run up to started running up the top

1442
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 3: of this hill. I have it all saved on on

1443
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 3: X so we can like I don't remember how much

1444
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 3: elevation I gained, but it was almost half a mile,

1445
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 3: I believe.

1446
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 2: Looking back on it. Now, were you going? Were you?

1447
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 1: I know you're going away from the bear? Are you

1448
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 1: also going away from the vehicle?

1449
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 3: Yes? Okay, yeah, I ended up almost a full mile

1450
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 3: from the parking lot.

1451
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 1: So you put that and then as you're running, at

1452
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 1: what point did you did did you feel like you

1453
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 1: got back to your normal self or is it not

1454
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: hitting yet? Like were your normal, rational, logical self.

1455
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 3: So that happened maybe after being on the phone with

1456
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:49,720
Speaker 3: Chloe for five seconds. So once I started running up

1457
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 3: the hill, I just remember like I still had all

1458
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 3: my I didn't have a lot of gear at me.

1459
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 3: I just had an extra lens, my camera, a fanny pack,

1460
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 3: and then my my binoharnes. My camera weighs about seven

1461
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 3: or eight pounds. That thing was just dangling between my legs,

1462
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 3: hitting me, bouncing off everything. I had to climb over

1463
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 3: a bunch of down trees, basically hurtling over the trees.

1464
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 3: And I had checked my phone and realized that all

1465
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 3: of a sudden, I have three g and I was like, wait,

1466
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,520
Speaker 3: I'm at service in three days since being out here. Basically,

1467
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna call my wife and tell her I love

1468
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 3: her and that you know what. I called her to

1469
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 3: tell her what happened and that I love you, because

1470
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going to happen. So I text her, Well,

1471
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 3: I called her. It didn't go through for some reason.

1472
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 3: Then I text her just one word attacked, and then

1473
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 3: she called me right back as soon as I sent

1474
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 3: that text, and so I picked up attacked.

1475
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 4: Yep, the text didn't go through.

1476
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 5: I just saw this initial phone call and was like,

1477
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 5: that's weird that he's calling me.

1478
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 4: And I called him back.

1479
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 3: So I tell her, I'm like hey, I'm like hey, Chloe,

1480
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 3: it happened. I was like, I got attacked by grizzly

1481
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 3: and she didn't even this is the emt in her,

1482
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 3: but like didn't even register any empathy or any form

1483
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 3: of like the only thing she cared about was preserving

1484
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 3: my life. And you know, being in the military, I've

1485
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 3: taken half a dozen what we call combat life saving

1486
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:26,600
Speaker 3: classes and in my career and it's always, no matter what,

1487
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 3: the number one thing is stop the bleed. That's the

1488
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 3: most important thing. Well, obviously making your situation situations safe first,

1489
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:38,679
Speaker 3: but secondaries stop the bleed. If you're conscious, you always

1490
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 3: work on yourself. So she reminded me, you know, she's like,

1491
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 3: where's your first aid kit. I was like, it's in

1492
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 3: a fucking band And I'm like screaming at her, and

1493
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,599
Speaker 3: she's like, all right, just stay calm, Like turnikeuts need

1494
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 3: to improvise. What do you have on you? As like

1495
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:55,639
Speaker 3: I have my backpack, my fanny pack and camera straps

1496
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 3: and she's like okay. Like I was like, She's like,

1497
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 3: start improvising, and I'm like, I need to be safe first.

1498
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 3: I need to get somewhere where I can be safe.

1499
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 3: And so I ran up to the summit of this

1500
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 3: little hill, and then I started assessing, all right, where

1501
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 3: am I bleeding from? And that's when I looked at

1502
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 3: my really looked at my hand. I noticed my underneath

1503
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 3: my watch strap. She bit through my watch strap, and

1504
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 3: I like looked. I lifted my arm up and I

1505
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 3: could see daylight through my strap. So I was like, well,

1506
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 3: that's fucked. I'm just gonna leave that there. And then

1507
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 3: I just like looked behind me. I saw that I

1508
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 3: was bleeding obviously on my backside. I put my hand

1509
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:37,919
Speaker 3: there and it just felt like a steady like drizzle

1510
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 3: of blood and it was extremely warm. I noticed that

1511
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 3: the coloration wasn't It was just like a deep red.

1512
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 3: So I was like, okay, that's not arterial. So I

1513
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 3: think I have more time than I thought. So I

1514
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 3: just laid down, started taking some stuff off, and then

1515
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:00,679
Speaker 3: I started applying the tourniquits. Put too on my right

1516
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 3: left leg, one high and then one lower.

1517
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 6: So you're in triage mode. You're trying to figure out

1518
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 6: what the priority is. Right.

1519
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 3: I felt generally safe, but always was concerned of a

1520
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 3: secondary attack. That's you know what happened to todd Or

1521
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 3: So that was always playing in the back of my mind.

1522
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 3: I apply a second.

1523
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:25,679
Speaker 6: But again, it doesn't matter if you bleed out.

1524
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 3: Right right right at that point I'm talking, I think

1525
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 3: Chloe called me back. She's she's with the ranger. At

1526
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 3: this point, they're asking me where I am trying to

1527
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 3: like send them my great coordinates. Nothing was like accurate

1528
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 3: for some reason. I sent them coordinates from Google that

1529
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 3: sent them like, I don't know how many yards off

1530
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 3: I'm blowing. I have my my rescue whistle at me.

1531
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 3: I'm blowing into that.

1532
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 6: But forty mile an hour wind still right right.

1533
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, So eventually, uh, nine one one like she was,

1534
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 3: I don't know, she was with the range of rangers.

1535
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 3: Like he needs to call nine to one one and

1536
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 3: get on the phone with the operator so they can

1537
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:16,640
Speaker 3: communicate with the helicopter.

1538
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, because at that point they had the helicopter in

1539
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 5: the air looking for you, and they wanted to try

1540
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 5: like pinging his phone to off the tower to see.

1541
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 2: You know, how much time is gone by at this point.

1542
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you at this point, but total from

1543
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 3: when I called her to when I was airlifted was

1544
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 3: a little less than two hours, which is very fast

1545
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 3: all things considered the problem was like in my own head,

1546
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, well I got attacked. I was

1547
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 3: relatively close to the road. I thought I was like

1548
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 3: three hundred yards off the road. Turns out when I

1549
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 3: ran away and now it's a direction, I was like

1550
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 3: nine hundred yards off the road. So they were through

1551
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:04,720
Speaker 3: these technical tech technologily sorry, through these these errors, through

1552
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:10,879
Speaker 3: the systems like my GPS and all that stuff. They

1553
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 3: were having trouble finding me. When I was on the phone.

1554
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 3: The operator basically he's like, all right, can you see

1555
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 3: the helicopter. I was like, yes, I can see the helicopter.

1556
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 3: I was like telling them to stop and go to

1557
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 3: their three o'clock and fly straight, and they're gonna fly

1558
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 3: right over me. And that's what they did. They flew

1559
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 3: right over me. Couldn't see me still, but I was

1560
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 3: obviously on the phone, and I was like, all right,

1561
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 3: they just literally just flew over me. Tell them to

1562
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 3: stop again, and they did it again. I told them,

1563
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 3: you know, they're flying low, yeah, like fifty feet over

1564
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 3: maybe sixty feet over the trees.

1565
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 2: And they flew right over you. Didn't see you?

1566
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's what I was gonna is it? Are you

1567
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 9: still in like pretty timbered snow yep.

1568
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 3: So they flew over to like a clearing and I

1569
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 3: told them to stop and I started waving to them,

1570
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 3: and that's when they.

1571
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 2: You're probably wearing earth tones.

1572
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 3: I am, Unfortunately, if I had, if I was wearing

1573
01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:05,959
Speaker 3: my normal pack, I have a orange like signal sheet

1574
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,840
Speaker 3: and I have my i fac first aid kit that

1575
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 3: had trauma stuff in it. Like we said, yeah, yeah, I.

1576
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:13,879
Speaker 6: Swear everybody I'm prepared.

1577
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:18,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, just normally normally I am.

1578
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 4: How much stuff we bring with you.

1579
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1580
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:27,799
Speaker 6: So at this point though, right like you're on the ground,

1581
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 6: there's a lot of opportunity for panic. Yeah, like somebody

1582
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 6: doesn't see you right away. You built that up as

1583
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 6: like okay, there I'm getting saved or just talking with

1584
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:42,640
Speaker 6: Chloe and stuff, and like you have to have some

1585
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 6: moments of this isn't gonna work out.

1586
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. I mean when I saw the helicopter, that

1587
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 3: was my first real real relief. But yeah, like I

1588
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 3: would say, at the beginning, I think I think I

1589
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 3: had the TURNI kits on already, or maybe I didn't

1590
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 3: have the turnic kits on, But I made that video

1591
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 3: because I was like, I'm bleeding out like, I don't

1592
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:05,600
Speaker 3: know if I'm gonna make it. I just want my

1593
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:07,640
Speaker 3: family to know like I love them, you know.

1594
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:11,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, And so what is your confidence in your your

1595
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 6: self care so far? Like at this point on the hill,

1596
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 6: are you like I've done everything I can do?

1597
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 3: Yeah? There was a point where I was like, Okay,

1598
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:23,759
Speaker 3: I realized the blood flow is slowing in every spot

1599
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 3: but my back. I had moved once post tourniquet application,

1600
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 3: and there was a lot like so I moved once,

1601
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 3: sat down in a different spot, and then after a

1602
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 3: few minutes I had moved again and I noticed there's

1603
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:42,679
Speaker 3: a lot less blood under me, So that was good.

1604
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 3: So basically at that point I had a.

1605
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 6: And are you thinking about shock though too?

1606
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1607
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 3: That was that was literally where my brain was kind

1608
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 3: of going in that shock in hypothermia is a real concern. Basically,

1609
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 3: the the operator was like, do you have anything to wear?

1610
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:03,680
Speaker 3: And I was like, well, I took my hoodie off

1611
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 3: to absorb some blood. I can put it back on.

1612
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 3: He's like put it back on. I'm like okay. She

1613
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 3: told me to put my elevate my feet so that

1614
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 3: I wanted to pass out because I was never like

1615
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 3: I don't want to say I was ever close to

1616
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 3: fainting and passing out, but there are points in time

1617
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 3: where things did get a little hazy. Yeah, And I

1618
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 3: guess at a certain point, you know, being up there

1619
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 3: for an hour and a half ish, I was feeling like, okay,

1620
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 3: like this has taken to me, it's a really long time.

1621
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 3: Like in retrospect it's not, but to me up there,

1622
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 3: it felt like a lifetime. And I'm just like, O, way, what.

1623
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 6: Are you feeling like because you can't talk to him

1624
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 6: now he's on the phone nine to one one.

1625
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I don't know, it's it was such a

1626
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 5: surreal experience. Like I the first phone call that I

1627
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 5: made to family was to his cousin and she was like,

1628
01:19:58,080 --> 01:19:59,560
Speaker 5: how are you feeling? And I was like, honestly, my

1629
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 5: feeling went offline as soon as my husband said, like,

1630
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 5: I've been attacked by a bear, like it.

1631
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 4: Just I don't know.

1632
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 5: I'm I feel like, because of my work as an EMT,

1633
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:11,560
Speaker 5: I'm pretty good at compartmentalizing.

1634
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 8: So were you like looking for him, like with the.

1635
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:17,639
Speaker 4: So that was the worst part.

1636
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1637
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 4: So initially.

1638
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 5: After I called nine one one, I had grabbed my

1639
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 5: bag and my first aid kit, and I was kinda

1640
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 5: in my bear spray and I was kind of like

1641
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:32,640
Speaker 5: pacing in the lot, and I was waiting for the

1642
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:34,680
Speaker 5: first ranger to show up, and I didn't know what

1643
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 5: kind of response we were going to get. So the

1644
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 5: first ranger shows up and and I'm trying my best

1645
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,720
Speaker 5: to give him an idea of where Shane might be

1646
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 5: based on like, oh, well, this is where I saw

1647
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 5: him last, but you know, who's to say where he

1648
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 5: is now? But he did send me these coordinates and

1649
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 5: it was funny because the ranger, you know, doing his job,

1650
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 5: doing a great job, was just like great, and he

1651
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 5: just hot back in his truck and drove off, and

1652
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 5: I'm just standing there in the parking lot like what

1653
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 5: and so I yell after him. I'm like to drive

1654
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 5: up Signal Mountain Road to look for Shane, And so

1655
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 5: I yell after him. I'm an EMT, I can help,

1656
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 5: and he goes cool, I'm a paramedic and I'm.

1657
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 6: Like, so you got compartment.

1658
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, which you know, like I don't know.

1659
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 5: I was talking to some friends after it and they're like, hey,

1660
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 5: you know, when we've been involved with SAR stuff, people

1661
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 5: have just said that they have certain credentials and they

1662
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:37,680
Speaker 5: don't and they end up getting in the way and

1663
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:43,679
Speaker 5: like my whole thing. You know, with training as an EMT, uh,

1664
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 5: you will fail your practicals as an EMT if you

1665
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 5: forget to ask like, oh, is the scene safe? And

1666
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 5: so while one hundred percent I wanted to run into

1667
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 5: the woods and find him, I knew like, well, if

1668
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:58,679
Speaker 5: I run into the bear first, I might be drawing

1669
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 5: away resources that he needs way more than I do,

1670
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:02,959
Speaker 5: or get myself.

1671
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 4: Killed, break your leg right, Yeah, yeah, So it was.

1672
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 5: It was really hard being in the parking lot, just

1673
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 5: waiting and feeling just like feeling like I had this

1674
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 5: skill set that could be potentially useful and just doing nothing.

1675
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 6: There's nothing worse than being like, listen, I I'm somebody

1676
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 6: with skills and I can be helpful. And then if

1677
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 6: you do something stupid, then you're like, I, but I'm

1678
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 6: still really good, you guys, I just did this one

1679
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:33,679
Speaker 6: stupid thing by which I'll be judged forever.

1680
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 8: Right.

1681
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 5: Oh man, I just feel like it's like put this

1682
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 5: whole spin on, like the survivor's skill that I feel

1683
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 5: for like we were on the same walk. I turned around,

1684
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:44,680
Speaker 5: I went back to the car and then I'm like, oh,

1685
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 5: well I could have maybe done something and yeah, just

1686
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 5: sitting there.

1687
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 6: Oh okay, so the helo.

1688
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, So at that like and while I'm up there

1689
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 3: on that hill alone, like a lot of things are

1690
01:22:58,040 --> 01:22:59,640
Speaker 3: going through my head and like is the bear going

1691
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 3: to come back? Should I climb a tree? Like what's

1692
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 3: my best scenario? I just basically the only defense I

1693
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 3: had was my knife, so I had that out and

1694
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 3: I was just like at this point, like if I'm

1695
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 3: she comes back, I'm probably dead, so I might as

1696
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:19,600
Speaker 3: well fight you. So the wound, like I started, the

1697
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 3: pain started to creep in. At this point, my shoulder

1698
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 3: was rocked. And so when the helo shows up, I

1699
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:32,559
Speaker 3: felt the first like real relief. Looking at the helicopter,

1700
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, cool. So I actually started to crawl

1701
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 3: towards it, and I got maybe five or eight feet

1702
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 3: away from where I was sitting, and then I heard

1703
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 3: Shane Shane Burke, and I was like, and I see

1704
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 3: a ranger of the twelve gage and I was like, thank.

1705
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 2: God he coming on foot. Yeah.

1706
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had about I would say about by the

1707
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 3: time by the time the helicopters ready to take me out.

1708
01:23:57,439 --> 01:24:00,639
Speaker 3: There's at least eight or twelve rangers into the set

1709
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 3: up a perimeter.

1710
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 8: How far had you come from the attack site?

1711
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 3: I want to say half a mile ish, But like

1712
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 3: I said, we can look at on X. The rangers

1713
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 3: would have a better idea because they did a full

1714
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 3: investigation from where they picked me up down to where

1715
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 3: the and there's a huge, massive blood trail that they followed.

1716
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 3: So the first ranger shows up and he's like, you're

1717
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:28,200
Speaker 3: Shane Burke and I was like, yep, I'm looking for

1718
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 3: a different Yeah, so I you know, and they have

1719
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 3: to ask that, and he starts, you know, he starts,

1720
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 3: he's like, all right, I'm so and so here to help.

1721
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 3: And then a female officer shows up. She was rad

1722
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:45,800
Speaker 3: I don't remember her name, and they just start cutting

1723
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 3: my stuff off, and uh, you know that, as I

1724
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:54,760
Speaker 3: mentioned in my post, was you know my ultimately, you know,

1725
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 3: I believe in conservation. I believe that I was in

1726
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 3: the you know, there's this wrong place, wrong time, that

1727
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 3: Bair didn't do anything that it like wasn't natural to it.

1728
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 3: So I was like, hey, like, you're not going to

1729
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 3: kill that bear, are you. And he's like, well, we're

1730
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 3: going we have to look into it. And I was like, well,

1731
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 3: I I hope you don't, and he's like, I was

1732
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 3: really admirable. Yeah yeah, so yeah, they just start you know,

1733
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:20,679
Speaker 3: assessing me. They do their own blood sweeps at this point,

1734
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 3: they're you know, doing their thing to get an ivy started,

1735
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 3: and they're all down in my area and.

1736
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 1: Are they trying to are they are they doing anything

1737
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 1: to try to get the DNA off the bear?

1738
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1739
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:34,720
Speaker 3: They did, so they know if there's a record of

1740
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 3: the bear, they know what bear?

1741
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:37,559
Speaker 2: What do they what did they swo? What were they

1742
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 2: swabbing to try to get a clothing and the bite

1743
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:42,799
Speaker 2: they're swabbing in somebody and put it in a tube?

1744
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean so they completely took all my

1745
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 3: stuff off that hill. I didn't have my phone for

1746
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 3: two days after the.

1747
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 2: They have all kinds of ways to find those.

1748
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:53,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got like everything back in an evidence box

1749
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:55,720
Speaker 5: and I opened it up in the motel room.

1750
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:57,559
Speaker 3: Like not the spray everywhere out.

1751
01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 4: The bear spray?

1752
01:25:58,400 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, it suck.

1753
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 5: We're just like coughing and hacking camp.

1754
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 4: I forgot.

1755
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:10,080
Speaker 3: I did ask him about the can and like, oh, yeah,

1756
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 3: we have it and it never occurred to me, if

1757
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 3: I holding that can, I don't know, maybe there's DNA

1758
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 3: on it. I don't know, it's probably it could be

1759
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 3: in a visitors center. I'll text the biologists and see

1760
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 3: if I can pay for it to ship to you

1761
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 3: guys or something. But so at this point, like you know,

1762
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 3: I'm I'm sitting there like and I'm in their words

1763
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 3: he said, I was a really good patient. I was,

1764
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 3: you know, obviously there's in a lot of pain. At

1765
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 3: this point.

1766
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 2: Is the helicopter landed or just hovering?

1767
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 3: It left and landed and for a minute for how

1768
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 3: far away? I have no idea.

1769
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 5: I imagine gravel pit parking lot down the road where

1770
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 5: they were.

1771
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 2: There was no good place right there to land.

1772
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 5: Now, okay, actually they dropped to Yeah, they dropped to

1773
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 5: search and rescue people from the Jenny Lake Rangers down.

1774
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,719
Speaker 3: Actually one might have walked Dan, I'm not sure. But anyway,

1775
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 3: so they're working on me. They're just stuffing me with gaze.

1776
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 3: And it was like every every second they're like, oh,

1777
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:12,680
Speaker 3: here's another hole, here's another hole, let's stuff it with

1778
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 3: five feet of gaze. It was sucked.

1779
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 2: Was that painful?

1780
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:16,839
Speaker 3: Very painful?

1781
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 2: And they just got you stripped down?

1782
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, button naked. They're putting like the uh, the

1783
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 3: emergency blankets on me and stuff like that. They put

1784
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 3: heater packs on my chest underneath in between my armpits,

1785
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:33,720
Speaker 3: and then my concern at that point it was like, hey,

1786
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:37,600
Speaker 3: did I ship my pants? And they're like they just

1787
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:39,679
Speaker 3: like lift my leg up and they're like, no, you're good, dude.

1788
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:43,599
Speaker 3: I was like, sick, you're just.

1789
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,160
Speaker 6: Crawling gain to everybody.

1790
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 2: They say that to everybody.

1791
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 3: There's multiple times that conversation throughout. So, yeah, they they

1792
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 3: plugged me up and they're ready to short haul me out, Hony.

1793
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 3: Just like it wasn't a stretcher or a rescue basket.

1794
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 3: I forget what they called.

1795
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:06,719
Speaker 4: It, but it was like a Stokes basket.

1796
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't a bad It was like a I

1797
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 3: felt like I was in a bridle wrap. It was

1798
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 3: just basically there, instead of flying me to the hospital,

1799
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 3: they're going to lift me up from the site, bring

1800
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 3: me to a safe location where there's an ambulance waiting.

1801
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:22,719
Speaker 4: And dangling from the helicopter.

1802
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, so does that when they come down with that

1803
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 1: bridle wrapper, do they drop it and then you hook

1804
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 1: up and then they come down and hook up or

1805
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:29,720
Speaker 1: is it stayed hooked to.

1806
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 3: The Yeah, helicopter, they dropped it and then it didn't

1807
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 3: stay hooked up.

1808
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 1: Okay, So they say get them ready yep. And then

1809
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 1: they lower down a hook and someone on the ground

1810
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 1: hooks that correct and they lived out yep.

1811
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 3: And So I think her name was Livy No Lexi, Lexi,

1812
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 3: sorry Alexi. So she she tethered in with me, She

1813
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 3: flew with me. She was great. I think she was

1814
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 3: on a newer side because when they were talking about

1815
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 3: who would would fly with me, she was like, oh.

1816
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:57,559
Speaker 6: I've never been.

1817
01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:00,280
Speaker 1: So she clipped into the same hook your clip into,

1818
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 1: but on some kind of climbing harness or something.

1819
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 3: She had to rescue harness and some diesel equipment that

1820
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 3: she was connected tethered with. So we land. There was

1821
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 3: a lot of people on scene, some rubberneckers. Yeah, and

1822
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 3: then I had met I. So they load me up

1823
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 3: into ambulance and then they start, you know, checking me

1824
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:26,800
Speaker 3: out there. One of the rangers that the investigating ranger,

1825
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:29,160
Speaker 3: came into the ambulance. He introduced himself. He had some

1826
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:32,599
Speaker 3: questions for me, what where's the can?

1827
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, where's the can?

1828
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:38,840
Speaker 3: So you say, yeah, he just wanted to know some

1829
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:41,120
Speaker 3: of the finer details, like just some quick details so

1830
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:43,599
Speaker 3: they could have an idea of what happened vaguely before

1831
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 3: they go out And because they didn't go out to

1832
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:47,840
Speaker 3: the locate attack location till the next day, I think

1833
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 3: they secured it overnight, but they didn't like go out

1834
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:54,720
Speaker 3: there to do the overall investigation until the next day.

1835
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:57,640
Speaker 3: So he had some questions like, you know, are you

1836
01:29:57,640 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 3: sure it was a grizzly Like I got asked that

1837
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 3: like fifty times, so I'm like, no, black bear. I

1838
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 3: know it wasn't a black bear, Like, it was definitely grizzly.

1839
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:07,600
Speaker 3: He's like, well, what are some identifying features and like

1840
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 3: big brown bear, big homp on her back, Like I

1841
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 3: don't know, like.

1842
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:13,080
Speaker 2: Great big claws.

1843
01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:15,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, they did this to me versus running away.

1844
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:21,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so you know, my Carrey team is great.

1845
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 3: They finally hit me with some pain killers which just

1846
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:26,040
Speaker 3: took the edge off.

1847
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:29,599
Speaker 2: No chlora. Are you there at the ambulance.

1848
01:30:29,240 --> 01:30:33,080
Speaker 5: Just briefly, which is funny because I got in and

1849
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 5: Shane's like, don't cry and just get out of the

1850
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:38,680
Speaker 5: get out of the ambulance so I can go and

1851
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:40,599
Speaker 5: then they repacked all his wounds.

1852
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:42,280
Speaker 4: So he was there for like another hour and.

1853
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:42,880
Speaker 6: You couldn't ride.

1854
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 2: You couldn't ride in the back with him.

1855
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:46,640
Speaker 4: No, I had the dog, you know.

1856
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 8: So are they taken you to Jackson to or too

1857
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:50,679
Speaker 8: apart to Jackson?

1858
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, And at this point had they begun trying to

1859
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 1: flush all that bear juice out of there.

1860
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:58,840
Speaker 3: So I did mention it because I was like, guys,

1861
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:02,680
Speaker 3: my hands are really freaking hot right now. I was

1862
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:06,559
Speaker 3: sweating really bad because they had scary of hypothermia. They

1863
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 3: had the heat cranked up to a thousand degrees in then,

1864
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 3: and so yeah, I was like, hey, like, I have

1865
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:15,360
Speaker 3: a lot of bear spread in the back of my head.

1866
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:17,439
Speaker 3: It's it's really starting to make me uncomfortable. So they

1867
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:19,680
Speaker 3: tried to clean it up the best they could. All

1868
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 3: my wounds that were packed had absorbed the all of

1869
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 3: the gods had absorbed too much blood. So they had

1870
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:29,439
Speaker 3: to actually repack everything there. So we we we sat

1871
01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:33,080
Speaker 3: there for I would say almost an hour. Yeah. Wow,

1872
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:37,240
Speaker 3: they repacked everything and then we drove. We get to

1873
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:42,120
Speaker 3: the trauma bay and it was just like they I

1874
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 3: went through the front door and it was just all

1875
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 3: of a sudden. There's friends, I mean really fast, a

1876
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:52,439
Speaker 3: lot of people working on me, touching me, putting another

1877
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 3: IV in, just assessing everything. The surgeon came in told

1878
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:01,200
Speaker 3: me his plan. Chloe shows. They let Chloe stay in

1879
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 3: there the whole time before the surgery, basically just make

1880
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:07,880
Speaker 3: it sure I didn't have anything to eat within a

1881
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:12,280
Speaker 3: certain timeframe. And yeah, they just kind of started to

1882
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 3: go over what just assassin, like right up my report

1883
01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:19,800
Speaker 3: on like where all my wounds were so they could

1884
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 3: go into surgery prepared. The surgeon was like, hey, man,

1885
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:25,640
Speaker 3: we're stapling everything. It's like, if we do sutures, we'll

1886
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 3: be here till the morning. And I was like, yeah, dude,

1887
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 3: just do what you gotta do. I don't care. So

1888
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:34,519
Speaker 3: I had a total of sixty staples, nine sites that

1889
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:39,840
Speaker 3: needed stapling, and they just did like a deep clean

1890
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 3: of all the wounds. Secondary or infections of obviously a

1891
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:47,200
Speaker 3: big concern for grizzly bears or any animal bite for

1892
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 3: that matter, but grizzly bears are notoriously dirty. So yeah,

1893
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:55,960
Speaker 3: I got to call my best friend on the phone

1894
01:32:56,000 --> 01:33:00,080
Speaker 3: and tell him what happened. He was expecting like a

1895
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 3: moon report and there's the Honeymoon of Horror. So I

1896
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 3: forget what news station called.

1897
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:07,920
Speaker 4: I think that was Inside Edition.

1898
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:14,160
Speaker 3: It was so funny and I knew we started laughing.

1899
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:17,080
Speaker 3: That was the first time I started laughing about the situation.

1900
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:21,400
Speaker 3: Like I knew, I was okay, I'm not like I've

1901
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:23,160
Speaker 3: had so much shit happened to me in the last

1902
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:26,680
Speaker 3: four years that I'm just like, if I just sit

1903
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:28,959
Speaker 3: here and be mad about it or sad about it,

1904
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 3: it's not going to do me any good. So I

1905
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:35,360
Speaker 3: just we had a laugh. My buddy Murphy was just like, dude, like,

1906
01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 3: stay out of the woods, dude, and I was like,

1907
01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 3: absolutely not, Like that's where I feel most alive, and

1908
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:44,000
Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'm still going to do a lot

1909
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 3: of people are like, oh, I bet you won't go

1910
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:49,200
Speaker 3: back to Wyoming. I'm like, we might move there. That's

1911
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:49,679
Speaker 3: not true.

1912
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 5: Our friends have been amazing at like keeping our spirits up,

1913
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 5: like like teasing him and being like, you know, there's

1914
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 5: easier ways to get attention rather than getting like hoisted

1915
01:33:58,400 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 5: out by helicopter.

1916
01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 1: Do you feel, uh, do you feel you'd be any

1917
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:06,200
Speaker 1: more jumpy? What do you mean being in bear country?

1918
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 2: Oh?

1919
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:07,160
Speaker 3: Absolutely?

1920
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:12,720
Speaker 2: Do you think it'll do you picture laying off on real,

1921
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:14,759
Speaker 2: real grizzly hotspots.

1922
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:19,800
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I don't think we'll be

1923
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 3: back for at least two years anyway.

1924
01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:26,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just say I mean, outside of that, let's

1925
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:27,559
Speaker 1: just say ILL said to you, man, let's go check

1926
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:29,639
Speaker 1: out the spot where's always a lot of grizzlies hanging around.

1927
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:31,760
Speaker 3: Depends am I gonna be like in a vehicle or

1928
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:37,519
Speaker 3: am I gonna it's on the ground walking I don't know. Yeah,

1929
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:43,719
Speaker 3: and groups of three bring spray. Yeah, I think i'd go. Yeah,

1930
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:48,960
Speaker 3: I mean still pretty fresh. It's still really fresh. You

1931
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:51,360
Speaker 3: know it's only been three weeks, right, I mean we

1932
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:53,920
Speaker 3: I listened to the Otter podcast and like those women

1933
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:56,479
Speaker 3: came on after nine months, so they had a lot

1934
01:34:56,520 --> 01:34:59,400
Speaker 3: of time to process what happened and talk about it.

1935
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:01,439
Speaker 3: It's very real to be here right now, Like it's

1936
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 3: you know, people are like, you're already back out less,

1937
01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:05,040
Speaker 3: and I'm like, well, I had a pretty cool opportunity.

1938
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:07,920
Speaker 3: I wasn't going to pass it up. Huh.

1939
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:08,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1940
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:10,880
Speaker 1: So you feel like, yeah, no, I see what you're saying,

1941
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:12,920
Speaker 1: like the freshness of it, but you feel like down

1942
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:15,800
Speaker 1: you're comfortable with the idea that down the road you'd

1943
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:16,960
Speaker 1: spend time in Bear country.

1944
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:19,839
Speaker 3: I think so I've struggled with the idea of camping

1945
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:22,640
Speaker 3: in bear country. I think I would do what you

1946
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 3: do and bring electric fence. No, I don't have one time,

1947
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:31,599
Speaker 3: just one time, okay, just because it was a Kodiak Island, well.

1948
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 2: A fog neg which is such the same thing.

1949
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:37,320
Speaker 1: Okay, I remember that they're separated, they're separated by a

1950
01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:39,479
Speaker 1: narrow straight But yeah, that's the only time I've used this.

1951
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not down on it. It's just the time.

1952
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:45,960
Speaker 6: Good good buddy of mine drew an awesome tag in

1953
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:49,920
Speaker 6: Wyoming for ELK this year, and and like super Dance

1954
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:54,599
Speaker 6: Grizz Country and he's bringing an electric fence there despite

1955
01:35:54,680 --> 01:36:00,120
Speaker 6: having an untold amount of hours and super down to

1956
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:03,439
Speaker 6: Grizz Country in Montana and never bring an electric fence.

1957
01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1958
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:08,040
Speaker 6: So it's like, you know, there's no one way, yeah,

1959
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:10,840
Speaker 6: and and you don't just because you've done it one

1960
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 6: way forever, It doesn't mean you can change. You don't

1961
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:13,400
Speaker 6: have to change.

1962
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:16,120
Speaker 1: What it would afford you is is at least you'd

1963
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:17,000
Speaker 1: be able to sleep at night.

1964
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:17,200
Speaker 2: Good.

1965
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Yeah, all days, you know, you're still doing

1966
01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 1: what you're doing, but at night, if it's anything that

1967
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:22,920
Speaker 1: helps you get a little.

1968
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:34,519
Speaker 8: Bit of Yeah, did they I want to get back

1969
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:36,080
Speaker 8: to the bear. Did they identify it?

1970
01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:37,560
Speaker 2: Did they know it?

1971
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:40,320
Speaker 3: They They never came out with publicly whether or not

1972
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:44,360
Speaker 3: they knew what bear it was, but I'm sure they do. Yeah,

1973
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:46,800
Speaker 3: they keep pretty good. Yeah, I've talked to some people.

1974
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:47,960
Speaker 2: It could be a bear. They haven't.

1975
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:50,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it could be. It totally could be. I know

1976
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:53,360
Speaker 3: bear three nine nine is a hot topic of the situation.

1977
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, and the photographer's bear.

1978
01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:58,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's very the most habituated bear ever.

1979
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:02,000
Speaker 3: Right, but she's actually two people, so I mean it's

1980
01:37:02,040 --> 01:37:04,920
Speaker 3: not far fetched. She does have a single cub right now.

1981
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:07,800
Speaker 3: We were told she was not in the location at

1982
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 3: the time, and.

1983
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:09,679
Speaker 2: She's gotten.

1984
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 4: And then we were also told that like she was

1985
01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:15,160
Speaker 4: like six miles away.

1986
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:19,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, we've been We've been told about very far.

1987
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:23,920
Speaker 3: But even if it was her, I don't care. Like

1988
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:27,559
Speaker 3: it was a bear, I'm I mean as far as

1989
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:29,960
Speaker 3: it was acting naturally, so it doesn't really matter. And

1990
01:37:30,200 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 3: to me, it's not like this bear seeked me out

1991
01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:34,679
Speaker 3: and was like I'm gonna kill you. Motherfucker for being

1992
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:37,479
Speaker 3: in my area, like she had a very real reason

1993
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:39,280
Speaker 3: to not want me to be alive.

1994
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:43,200
Speaker 6: So well, yeah, just like you said, you're in a

1995
01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:46,400
Speaker 6: place with a lot of human traffic, right, and you

1996
01:37:46,479 --> 01:37:50,120
Speaker 6: peeled off away from all that that traffic into what

1997
01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:53,920
Speaker 6: sounds like a nasty blowdown area unbeknownst to you, right,

1998
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 6: but it seems like a pretty secluded spot.

1999
01:37:57,439 --> 01:37:59,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you already got scratched anyway. So what's the

2000
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:02,639
Speaker 2: difference that old bear? Now was there?

2001
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:05,760
Speaker 8: Do you know if there was elk around in their calving.

2002
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:08,519
Speaker 3: Where I did find elk droppings, but I did not

2003
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:15,320
Speaker 3: see any elk, so yeah, hm hmm, Yeah, so that's

2004
01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:16,280
Speaker 3: kind of the bulk of it.

2005
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:19,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean a lot of people don't know that

2006
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:24,280
Speaker 6: those army cadences that you guys sing so have a

2007
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:27,200
Speaker 6: lot like a bawling calf elk to Brodie's.

2008
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:29,839
Speaker 3: Point, really, yeah, come get me bear.

2009
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:39,040
Speaker 2: In the future, would you stick with spray pepper spray?

2010
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:42,320
Speaker 3: Absolutely? I mean, like I said earlier.

2011
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:44,599
Speaker 2: You've had a lot of training with pistols.

2012
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:45,839
Speaker 3: Uh, not not necessary pistols.

2013
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:48,840
Speaker 2: Pistols military. They don't teach you a lot about shooting pistols.

2014
01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:51,280
Speaker 3: No, I mean so we you get familiarized with it.

2015
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:57,519
Speaker 3: But pistols are mostly reserved for infantry, military, police, special

2016
01:38:57,560 --> 01:39:02,080
Speaker 3: forces officers, So your commanding officer will be assigned a pistol,

2017
01:39:02,479 --> 01:39:06,879
Speaker 3: not a rifle. I'm as being like mostly operating vehicles.

2018
01:39:07,479 --> 01:39:10,240
Speaker 3: I'm just assigned a rifle or a machine gun, like

2019
01:39:10,479 --> 01:39:12,760
Speaker 3: it depends. Usually we don't give mechanics machine guns because

2020
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:15,080
Speaker 3: they gotta They're the ones getting down dropping drive chafts

2021
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:17,640
Speaker 3: and stuff like that, So be silly to give them

2022
01:39:17,640 --> 01:39:20,160
Speaker 3: a machine gun when that's your most casualty producing weapon

2023
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:24,880
Speaker 3: of the squad. So it doesn't make sense. Explain that

2024
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:29,280
Speaker 3: to me, most casualty producing weapon, So that's the weapon

2025
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:30,519
Speaker 3: that's going to lay down the most lead.

2026
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:33,800
Speaker 2: Oh I thought it meant the highest probability of getting that.

2027
01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:36,360
Speaker 3: No, sorry, that that would make sense. Yeah, sorry, Oh.

2028
01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:37,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't want Yeah, you're supposed to be doing

2029
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:39,240
Speaker 1: your job, not that job, right, gotcha?

2030
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:42,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, but you said a handgun would have done you

2031
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:43,720
Speaker 8: note probably.

2032
01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:46,240
Speaker 3: In my specific situation. Absolutely, Like maybe if I went

2033
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:49,479
Speaker 3: for the gun first shot and that scared it, but

2034
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:51,800
Speaker 3: me getting an accurate shot on it that wasn't I

2035
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:53,639
Speaker 3: would just piss the bear off even more like.

2036
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:55,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you couldn't even hit the I mean, think

2037
01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:57,200
Speaker 1: about the spray, you don't need to aim at that.

2038
01:39:57,280 --> 01:40:01,720
Speaker 3: Great, I'm not. I'm like, I think three seconds is generous,

2039
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:03,320
Speaker 3: Like how fast it happened.

2040
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:04,960
Speaker 1: If you didn't hit that, If you didn't have time

2041
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:07,080
Speaker 1: to hit that button on that spray and you knew

2042
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:09,080
Speaker 1: to go for it, you have time to ain't a

2043
01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:09,960
Speaker 1: gun now.

2044
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:12,680
Speaker 3: And that's what I'm like. That's why I try to

2045
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:15,760
Speaker 3: tell people in the comments, like if I see a

2046
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:18,840
Speaker 3: comment worth like commenting that I know I've dodd.

2047
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:23,360
Speaker 1: Everyone, everyone in the everyone in Montana, Idaho, Wyoming.

2048
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:24,759
Speaker 2: Is by birth a bear expert.

2049
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:29,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, I will tell you I got this would be

2050
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:32,519
Speaker 6: like a checking you out charge, not a charge that.

2051
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:35,479
Speaker 3: Was on this show right, well, no, not that one, but.

2052
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:39,439
Speaker 6: With you that was me on the BC one.

2053
01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:42,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then there was. But he had a he

2054
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:44,960
Speaker 2: had a run in long ago too, But.

2055
01:40:45,080 --> 01:40:48,000
Speaker 6: I was I was actually working on grizzly Bear DNA

2056
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:52,599
Speaker 6: project but super early in the morning, had two dogs

2057
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:55,680
Speaker 6: with me coming across the base of this hill. Look

2058
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:58,760
Speaker 6: up on the hillside. Giant grizzly Bear, biggest, biggest grizz

2059
01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:03,360
Speaker 6: I've personally seen Montana and it instantaneously turned and it

2060
01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:07,880
Speaker 6: was probably two hundred yards away and dropped down like

2061
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:10,880
Speaker 6: full charge and hit the brakes at probably like fifty

2062
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:16,160
Speaker 6: yards and this was like a pretty good amount of

2063
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:21,120
Speaker 6: distance for the entire time man, and it just hauled ass, right.

2064
01:41:21,240 --> 01:41:27,160
Speaker 6: And I've thought about that a lot, and I was like,

2065
01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:30,640
Speaker 6: the only way I would have shot that bear is

2066
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:35,120
Speaker 6: if I would have left my camp that morning with

2067
01:41:35,320 --> 01:41:39,880
Speaker 6: the the idea that I am going to kill a

2068
01:41:39,880 --> 01:41:40,400
Speaker 6: bear today.

2069
01:41:40,479 --> 01:41:42,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, so be ready.

2070
01:41:42,280 --> 01:41:42,759
Speaker 2: But it's.

2071
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:50,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, you're just having the mindset of, like I am,

2072
01:41:50,520 --> 01:41:53,000
Speaker 6: I'm going to kill a bear today, so just be ready.

2073
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:55,519
Speaker 6: I'm going to kill a bear, yeah, right, which is

2074
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:57,200
Speaker 6: just not the situation.

2075
01:41:57,240 --> 01:41:59,280
Speaker 3: I mean, they can run thirty five miles an hour

2076
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:02,360
Speaker 3: thirty yards it takes second and a half. Yeah, Like,

2077
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:08,439
Speaker 3: it's just they're fast. So yeah, I mean that ship.

2078
01:42:08,479 --> 01:42:10,840
Speaker 3: Your pants are not your pants.

2079
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:11,679
Speaker 2: You didn't.

2080
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:12,360
Speaker 6: I did not.

2081
01:42:12,439 --> 01:42:15,000
Speaker 3: I'm very very proud of that. That was one of

2082
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:16,760
Speaker 3: the first things my buddy Murphy asked me. He's like,

2083
01:42:16,840 --> 01:42:19,559
Speaker 3: so you shut your pants And I was like no,

2084
01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:21,280
Speaker 3: He's like, no, you must not be that bad then,

2085
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:22,719
Speaker 3: But I.

2086
01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:24,640
Speaker 6: Also think, man, if you've got time to ship your

2087
01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:27,160
Speaker 6: pants or piss yourself, it's not really happened.

2088
01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:30,839
Speaker 3: No, I was pretty dehydrated anyway.

2089
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:39,840
Speaker 2: But so you've got to you've got a surgery coming

2090
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:40,439
Speaker 2: up there.

2091
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:45,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so my uh after I was getting discharged,

2092
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:46,479
Speaker 3: so I was only in the hospital for one.

2093
01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:49,040
Speaker 6: Night, and which is amazing.

2094
01:42:49,160 --> 01:42:50,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of crazy. It was kind of a

2095
01:42:50,920 --> 01:42:54,280
Speaker 3: mine fuck for us. We were but they're basically like,

2096
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:57,439
Speaker 3: you're not getting any more antibiotics only oral. You can

2097
01:42:57,520 --> 01:42:59,599
Speaker 3: stay here, but it's gonna cost like five grand a night.

2098
01:42:59,680 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah's a hotel because we had to stay

2099
01:43:02,240 --> 01:43:03,960
Speaker 3: in the area because the rangers had all my stuff,

2100
01:43:04,360 --> 01:43:08,639
Speaker 3: my cell phone, my camera, all my like backpack stuff.

2101
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:12,160
Speaker 3: The can, Yeah they have the can. Still can in.

2102
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:16,320
Speaker 6: This situation, does uh do you get any sort of

2103
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:18,120
Speaker 6: like military medical assistance?

2104
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:22,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, is definitely gonna be a big help.

2105
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:25,759
Speaker 2: So you still get VA covered if you get her outside.

2106
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:29,240
Speaker 3: Because I'm a disabled veteran, so I have a high

2107
01:43:29,320 --> 01:43:33,360
Speaker 3: enough percentage to get free health care. So the only

2108
01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:39,520
Speaker 3: thing like, yeah, like they're going to cover everything, the ambulance,

2109
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:43,719
Speaker 3: the hospital, surgery, uh PT will cover everything.

2110
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:46,320
Speaker 8: You're covering that can into that.

2111
01:43:47,360 --> 01:43:51,520
Speaker 3: I'll text justin. I'll text you.

2112
01:43:50,720 --> 01:43:56,840
Speaker 9: Earlier you said she had broken your shoulder, so they

2113
01:43:56,920 --> 01:43:57,919
Speaker 9: just kind of left.

2114
01:43:57,720 --> 01:43:58,519
Speaker 8: It as is.

2115
01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:04,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. So when I was getting discharged, the nurses were

2116
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:05,880
Speaker 3: kind of putting band aids on me and stuff, and

2117
01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:09,120
Speaker 3: they're like, just like Chloe helped them, so she had

2118
01:44:09,120 --> 01:44:11,800
Speaker 3: an idea because bless her soul, she's the one that

2119
01:44:12,040 --> 01:44:14,320
Speaker 3: has been And then now I have you know, I

2120
01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:16,080
Speaker 3: can move my arm a lot, but you know the

2121
01:44:16,120 --> 01:44:18,759
Speaker 3: first week I couldn't even button my pants, like sitting

2122
01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:21,640
Speaker 3: down to take a ship, like the toilet seats right

2123
01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:24,759
Speaker 3: on one of my wounds, so uncomfortable to do anything.

2124
01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:27,680
Speaker 6: So did did you to drive all the way home too?

2125
01:44:28,240 --> 01:44:28,880
Speaker 11: Oh man?

2126
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:32,960
Speaker 3: We had to finish out the honeymoon.

2127
01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:33,679
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2128
01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:40,719
Speaker 4: If we didn't, we're just gonna be when everything.

2129
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:45,040
Speaker 3: Oh man, the window the wind show got cracked by

2130
01:44:45,160 --> 01:44:47,439
Speaker 3: a rock from a car. So that's been a fiasco

2131
01:44:47,479 --> 01:44:47,960
Speaker 3: to deal with.

2132
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:51,920
Speaker 2: You just can't win, no dude.

2133
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:53,320
Speaker 8: Uh.

2134
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:56,280
Speaker 3: So they were dressing my wounds for me to be discharged,

2135
01:44:56,479 --> 01:44:57,760
Speaker 3: and they were like.

2136
01:44:58,120 --> 01:45:01,120
Speaker 4: They just noticed like this deformity and older like little knob.

2137
01:45:01,240 --> 01:45:02,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, they knew my shoulder was messed up. Like I

2138
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:04,400
Speaker 3: told him, I was in a lot of pain there,

2139
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:05,479
Speaker 3: and so the.

2140
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:07,280
Speaker 4: Lys was like, does that always look like that?

2141
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:09,240
Speaker 3: And I'm like no, I like looked at her.

2142
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:16,800
Speaker 2: Like what I can see it right now? Yeah? What yeah?

2143
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah knob there, Yeah at that bone. Was that like

2144
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:21,599
Speaker 2: that before?

2145
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:25,000
Speaker 3: So they she was like, oh, this looks like.

2146
01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:27,799
Speaker 2: A protrudnob shoulder.

2147
01:45:27,880 --> 01:45:29,720
Speaker 3: They thought it was just a dislocation. They're like, that

2148
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:31,760
Speaker 3: should reset. Let me talk to ortho and see if

2149
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:33,599
Speaker 3: I'll come in and look at it. And he's like, yeah,

2150
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:35,760
Speaker 3: it looks like a c separation. Just follow up with

2151
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:36,760
Speaker 3: your ortho back home.

2152
01:45:36,840 --> 01:45:39,080
Speaker 8: And I'm like, God, shouldn't they give you like X

2153
01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:39,840
Speaker 8: rays and stuff.

2154
01:45:40,160 --> 01:45:41,720
Speaker 6: I'd be like, yeah, we're already here.

2155
01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:44,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of crazy for it, That's that's kind

2156
01:45:44,360 --> 01:45:46,439
Speaker 3: of crazy.

2157
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:48,200
Speaker 2: Try your shoulder.

2158
01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:53,400
Speaker 5: No, I guess I feel my sense is that emergency

2159
01:45:53,400 --> 01:45:56,240
Speaker 5: medicine is trying to like move away from just like

2160
01:45:56,360 --> 01:45:59,800
Speaker 5: nuking everyone with radiation like CT scans right off the

2161
01:45:59,800 --> 01:46:02,720
Speaker 5: back at. One of my friends has had like so

2162
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:05,799
Speaker 5: many emergency room visits in the last year that she's

2163
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:08,240
Speaker 5: like surprised that she's not glowing in the dark from

2164
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:11,280
Speaker 5: all the radiation, so like I could appreciate that, but

2165
01:46:11,320 --> 01:46:13,120
Speaker 5: at the same time, we got home and I just

2166
01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:16,880
Speaker 5: felt so bad that, like we took two weeks driving

2167
01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:20,679
Speaker 5: home and this man has a broken shoulder and we're

2168
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:21,879
Speaker 5: just like, yeah, you're fine.

2169
01:46:22,240 --> 01:46:24,840
Speaker 6: Well, you guys didn't like rock and roll home.

2170
01:46:27,120 --> 01:46:29,200
Speaker 3: We didn't like we had to change our.

2171
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:34,120
Speaker 6: Plus just how was like crawling into your makeshift dirt.

2172
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:38,720
Speaker 3: Beds and friend's houses along the way.

2173
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:41,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, So basically we just wanted to like stay with

2174
01:46:41,280 --> 01:46:44,320
Speaker 5: the friends that we were already planning on seeing and

2175
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:47,120
Speaker 5: just to give him kind of some time to recuperate.

2176
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:53,439
Speaker 1: Story a thousand times an anytime you went in anybody's house, going.

2177
01:46:54,720 --> 01:46:56,639
Speaker 3: Been talking about it quite a bit, which is fine.

2178
01:46:56,720 --> 01:46:58,840
Speaker 3: I think for me that's therapeutic in a way.

2179
01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:00,559
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

2180
01:47:01,240 --> 01:47:06,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I keeps the story alive, I guess in my head.

2181
01:47:07,120 --> 01:47:08,639
Speaker 3: The first time I did when I got my phone

2182
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:11,519
Speaker 3: is I wrote that post before I even thought about

2183
01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:14,200
Speaker 3: posting it. But I just wanted to have all that

2184
01:47:14,240 --> 01:47:17,960
Speaker 3: information down while it was still fresh.

2185
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:20,799
Speaker 8: How long how long was it for the phone started

2186
01:47:20,840 --> 01:47:21,800
Speaker 8: ringing from like.

2187
01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:25,160
Speaker 3: Not as soon as I made that post, I would say,

2188
01:47:27,160 --> 01:47:28,920
Speaker 3: I for the first week, I was getting fifty to

2189
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:34,240
Speaker 3: seventy phone calls a day. My inbox on Instagram was

2190
01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:38,200
Speaker 3: just crazy. That's why I didn't see Corinne's message right away.

2191
01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:40,360
Speaker 3: Yiannis ended up messaging me and I follow him, so

2192
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:45,080
Speaker 3: I went straight to my inbox. Yeah, it's the media

2193
01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:52,160
Speaker 3: has been crazy. The media is really like so essentially

2194
01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:53,960
Speaker 3: like they really kind of kept her out of it

2195
01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:55,920
Speaker 3: and made her seem like a damsel in distress, and

2196
01:47:55,960 --> 01:47:57,759
Speaker 3: I was like, no, Like, she helped save my life.

2197
01:47:57,800 --> 01:48:01,000
Speaker 3: She was a very she contributed a ton to it.

2198
01:48:03,960 --> 01:48:06,320
Speaker 3: And then the other extreme they would go to the

2199
01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:09,080
Speaker 3: opposite way, were like Chloe paramedic rushes into action and.

2200
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:11,720
Speaker 5: I'm clearly not a paramedic. Guy was put in my

2201
01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:12,799
Speaker 5: place that day.

2202
01:48:14,200 --> 01:48:17,960
Speaker 3: They some some places were like Shane Burke combat hardened veteran,

2203
01:48:18,200 --> 01:48:23,559
Speaker 3: disabled veteran fights off grizzly. I'm like, dude, very modest

2204
01:48:23,560 --> 01:48:26,160
Speaker 3: about my combat time. It was very minimal, Like most

2205
01:48:26,200 --> 01:48:28,439
Speaker 3: of the time that anything that happened to me in Iraq,

2206
01:48:28,479 --> 01:48:30,960
Speaker 3: it was just the insurgents basically just trying to annoy us.

2207
01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:36,680
Speaker 3: So combat, I wouldn't even say combat, just sitting, you know,

2208
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:38,960
Speaker 3: a lot of times it was just indirect fire or

2209
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:41,000
Speaker 3: just randomly shooting out our trucks when we drive by,

2210
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:44,280
Speaker 3: and some IEDs and stuff. But it was never like

2211
01:48:44,800 --> 01:48:46,680
Speaker 3: I wasn't running a gun and kicking doors in and

2212
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:47,759
Speaker 3: looking for saddam myself.

2213
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:50,479
Speaker 6: Just getting randomly shot at and blowing up is fine.

2214
01:48:50,600 --> 01:48:58,479
Speaker 3: That's fine. So yeah, so yeah, it's And then what

2215
01:48:58,640 --> 01:49:02,080
Speaker 3: really really pissed me off. There's a YouTube video that

2216
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:05,920
Speaker 3: he he got all of his facts within less than

2217
01:49:05,920 --> 01:49:08,920
Speaker 3: twenty four hours of the bear attack so.

2218
01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:11,880
Speaker 1: On, and made one of those dumb videos. Yeah, like

2219
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:14,760
Speaker 1: in the news, those like bad, it's bad. Yeah, it's

2220
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:15,280
Speaker 1: super bad.

2221
01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:18,160
Speaker 5: It has the exclaimer that says, please respect the victim

2222
01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:21,559
Speaker 5: and their family, and we're literally in the comments like

2223
01:49:21,680 --> 01:49:23,480
Speaker 5: none of this is accurate, please.

2224
01:49:23,240 --> 01:49:25,800
Speaker 3: And they would just delete the comment, right, facts rude.

2225
01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:29,599
Speaker 3: So that that was that sucked. And I've had some

2226
01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:31,640
Speaker 3: like you know, hate mail, like people have been like, oh,

2227
01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:33,599
Speaker 3: you should have died up there, like because of what,

2228
01:49:34,160 --> 01:49:35,639
Speaker 3: because they're just I don't.

2229
01:49:35,479 --> 01:49:38,960
Speaker 2: Know what's the criticism.

2230
01:49:39,160 --> 01:49:41,599
Speaker 3: So a lot of people, not a lot of people.

2231
01:49:41,640 --> 01:49:46,679
Speaker 3: I would say it's been overwhelmingly supportive, absolutely overwhelming. Jackson

2232
01:49:46,720 --> 01:49:49,120
Speaker 3: in particular big shout out to Jackson. I can't even

2233
01:49:49,160 --> 01:49:55,439
Speaker 3: think Jackson as a whole enough for the care the

2234
01:49:55,720 --> 01:49:59,160
Speaker 3: like we hospital The hospitality was through the brief really

2235
01:49:59,240 --> 01:50:03,559
Speaker 3: kind of so. But there's some people three nine nine's

2236
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:07,840
Speaker 3: fan group we're telling, like trying to tell people that

2237
01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:11,120
Speaker 3: spread rumors that we were out there over a carcass

2238
01:50:11,400 --> 01:50:13,080
Speaker 3: trying to harass Bears.

2239
01:50:13,400 --> 01:50:14,759
Speaker 4: Three days prior to the attack.

2240
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:16,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had only been in t Times for a

2241
01:50:16,320 --> 01:50:17,679
Speaker 3: couple of hours, and not the type.

2242
01:50:17,479 --> 01:50:21,000
Speaker 6: Of harassment where you just parallel them on the interstate

2243
01:50:21,200 --> 01:50:26,719
Speaker 6: all the freaking day long telephoto lenses that harassment.

2244
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:30,960
Speaker 2: People on that Bears fan page.

2245
01:50:31,280 --> 01:50:34,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had a few messages like, oh, you're no hero,

2246
01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:36,080
Speaker 3: And I was like, I never said I was a hero.

2247
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:38,920
Speaker 3: I was like, self preservation doesn't make you a hero.

2248
01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:39,680
Speaker 3: I said, I just.

2249
01:50:39,600 --> 01:50:41,080
Speaker 6: Did a plank in a bear's mind.

2250
01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:43,400
Speaker 3: Right right, Yeah, It's like I just survived something that

2251
01:50:43,439 --> 01:50:44,280
Speaker 3: was really tremendous.

2252
01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:49,200
Speaker 2: What was the thing? What about have sitting on a carcass?

2253
01:50:49,200 --> 01:50:49,800
Speaker 2: What did they say?

2254
01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:53,240
Speaker 3: So this woman messaged me and she was like you,

2255
01:50:54,439 --> 01:50:57,160
Speaker 3: She's like, you know, you're not a hero that the

2256
01:50:57,240 --> 01:50:59,720
Speaker 3: people in Jackson are, you know, just so you know,

2257
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:01,960
Speaker 3: there's saying that you did this and no one believes

2258
01:51:01,960 --> 01:51:06,120
Speaker 3: your story, and I'm like, okay, like I I was

2259
01:51:06,160 --> 01:51:09,080
Speaker 3: super respectful, I have you know, And then there's just

2260
01:51:09,120 --> 01:51:10,160
Speaker 3: other people that were like.

2261
01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:13,920
Speaker 9: Who would their right mind would go stand next to

2262
01:51:13,960 --> 01:51:14,919
Speaker 9: an elk carcass?

2263
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:15,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.

2264
01:51:15,960 --> 01:51:16,439
Speaker 2: I don't know that.

2265
01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:17,080
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2266
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:20,479
Speaker 1: One of the best, one of the best arguments for

2267
01:51:20,520 --> 01:51:23,120
Speaker 1: grizzly bear recovery is that you get enough of.

2268
01:51:23,120 --> 01:51:24,320
Speaker 2: Them that none of them have a name.

2269
01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:30,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like or even a number that none of Yeah.

2270
01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:34,360
Speaker 1: The whole idea of like fandom around individual animals, Oh

2271
01:51:34,479 --> 01:51:34,920
Speaker 1: my god.

2272
01:51:35,160 --> 01:51:39,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it is what it is, and I

2273
01:51:39,200 --> 01:51:41,160
Speaker 3: don't it doesn't bother me because at the end of

2274
01:51:41,200 --> 01:51:43,920
Speaker 3: the day, like when these when these people are are

2275
01:51:43,960 --> 01:51:45,920
Speaker 3: setting this stuff to me, I'm just like, all right, yeah,

2276
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:47,679
Speaker 3: someone's parents don't love them, and it shows.

2277
01:51:47,880 --> 01:51:52,559
Speaker 5: My favorite misconception was just be honest, it wasn't a bear,

2278
01:51:53,360 --> 01:51:54,120
Speaker 5: tell us what it was.

2279
01:51:54,320 --> 01:51:54,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2280
01:51:54,920 --> 01:52:01,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't know if that's what they're trying to go with,

2281
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:03,920
Speaker 3: or if they're like, you did this to yourself somehow.

2282
01:52:04,120 --> 01:52:04,920
Speaker 3: I I don't know.

2283
01:52:05,280 --> 01:52:12,840
Speaker 10: I think with your history of baiting bucks into.

2284
01:52:12,240 --> 01:52:19,400
Speaker 2: The deer guy again, the crack guy. Yeah, was an adventure.

2285
01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:22,400
Speaker 2: You glad it happened or bummed it happened?

2286
01:52:22,920 --> 01:52:27,240
Speaker 3: You know, I'm a little I'm bummed. I I'm not

2287
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:30,760
Speaker 3: I like being under the radar. So like my Instagram

2288
01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:33,439
Speaker 3: following went from like two thousand people to over twelve thousand.

2289
01:52:34,479 --> 01:52:36,240
Speaker 2: Uh, there's waiting for what's next.

2290
01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:40,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's a little something I'm not used to.

2291
01:52:40,280 --> 01:52:44,160
Speaker 3: I guess I'm thankful for some opportunities that did come

2292
01:52:44,200 --> 01:52:46,479
Speaker 3: out of it, but and I'm just thankful to be alive.

2293
01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:51,519
Speaker 3: And I hope that if anything, like people just learn

2294
01:52:51,560 --> 01:52:53,720
Speaker 3: from this experience the best they can and maybe it'll

2295
01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:56,439
Speaker 3: prevent one other one because it is I know, like

2296
01:52:56,479 --> 01:52:58,960
Speaker 3: when so the Otter podcast was like one of the

2297
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:00,240
Speaker 3: ones I listened to on the way here or so,

2298
01:53:00,280 --> 01:53:03,599
Speaker 3: it's really in my mind. But you mentioned that you

2299
01:53:03,680 --> 01:53:05,720
Speaker 3: kind of want to have like a soft encounter with

2300
01:53:05,720 --> 01:53:06,200
Speaker 3: a grizzly.

2301
01:53:06,439 --> 01:53:10,000
Speaker 2: That's a little touch. Yeah, I don't know. This is like, no,

2302
01:53:10,040 --> 01:53:11,040
Speaker 2: I want that much.

2303
01:53:11,120 --> 01:53:12,639
Speaker 4: Maybe the softest an attack.

2304
01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:14,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was a lot to.

2305
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:15,679
Speaker 2: Come up, and it's gonna be like listen, I'm gonna

2306
01:53:15,720 --> 01:53:20,920
Speaker 2: scratch you right the chest. This was you're ready.

2307
01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:22,880
Speaker 3: This is definitely okay, do it.

2308
01:53:22,920 --> 01:53:24,400
Speaker 2: I'm ready.

2309
01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:27,320
Speaker 3: This is a very mild attack all things considered a

2310
01:53:27,360 --> 01:53:30,320
Speaker 3: little too heavy duty for me. Yeah, it sucks. My

2311
01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:33,160
Speaker 3: my tissue and my legs is like really tight right now.

2312
01:53:33,200 --> 01:53:35,400
Speaker 3: So it's like not hard to walk, but I feel it.

2313
01:53:36,320 --> 01:53:38,799
Speaker 3: I feel like when I kneeled down, I'm stretching it.

2314
01:53:38,800 --> 01:53:41,680
Speaker 3: It feels really bizarre. And the shoulders just a really

2315
01:53:41,680 --> 01:53:43,920
Speaker 3: big step back because that's gonna hurt my climbing. I

2316
01:53:43,960 --> 01:53:45,320
Speaker 3: don't know if I'll be able to hunt this year.

2317
01:53:45,400 --> 01:53:49,120
Speaker 3: I might try to apply for a like a temporary

2318
01:53:49,120 --> 01:53:53,040
Speaker 3: crossbow license just but then I gotta buy crossbow. So

2319
01:53:53,080 --> 01:53:55,040
Speaker 3: it's kind of like, uh, I might just sit this

2320
01:53:55,120 --> 01:53:55,599
Speaker 3: year out.

2321
01:53:59,400 --> 01:54:00,519
Speaker 6: Across help you out.

2322
01:54:00,640 --> 01:54:04,640
Speaker 4: There's cliffs that you can lure.

2323
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:08,320
Speaker 2: A good boulder set up. Yeah, I just.

2324
01:54:13,400 --> 01:54:14,639
Speaker 6: Now we played the wedding game.

2325
01:54:15,479 --> 01:54:17,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, that would be cool if I could

2326
01:54:17,240 --> 01:54:20,400
Speaker 3: get across temporary crossbow license, because then I could I

2327
01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:24,040
Speaker 3: could hunt, and uh, that'd be sweet because I have

2328
01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:25,920
Speaker 3: put actually a lot of time in one of the zone.

2329
01:54:25,960 --> 01:54:27,120
Speaker 8: Pretty they'll give you one.

2330
01:54:27,560 --> 01:54:30,040
Speaker 2: Come on, you'll figure it out. We'll make some calls

2331
01:54:30,040 --> 01:54:31,800
Speaker 2: and find your cross that'd be cool.

2332
01:54:31,840 --> 01:54:33,640
Speaker 7: But I got to say I was not.

2333
01:54:35,080 --> 01:54:37,400
Speaker 11: I was not certain what you look like when you

2334
01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:41,640
Speaker 11: walked in here today, and uh, you know.

2335
01:54:41,640 --> 01:54:42,920
Speaker 2: You thought you'd look a little more beat up.

2336
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:45,040
Speaker 11: Yeah, privately I thought maybe I won't be the worst

2337
01:54:45,080 --> 01:54:49,360
Speaker 11: looking guy at the podcast. But like you, I mean,

2338
01:54:50,080 --> 01:54:51,880
Speaker 11: if a guy saw you on the street, unless they

2339
01:54:51,960 --> 01:54:55,240
Speaker 11: knew what they're looking for. Like, I'm just shocked that

2340
01:54:55,320 --> 01:54:58,000
Speaker 11: it was three weeks ago, because some of those photos

2341
01:54:58,000 --> 01:55:00,000
Speaker 11: are pretty overwhelmed.

2342
01:55:00,240 --> 01:55:04,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I've I've always bounced back pretty quick

2343
01:55:05,080 --> 01:55:06,520
Speaker 3: and and all these injuries.

2344
01:55:06,240 --> 01:55:08,120
Speaker 2: I had, Yeah, dude, you're a survivor.

2345
01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:11,680
Speaker 3: Man, every like the eye injury. You know. I was like,

2346
01:55:11,840 --> 01:55:14,720
Speaker 3: I'm I got deployed a Poland, Like I want to go, like, uh,

2347
01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:17,320
Speaker 3: you got to fix me, doc, And she's like, this

2348
01:55:17,440 --> 01:55:20,840
Speaker 3: is like a year long situation. I they fixed me

2349
01:55:20,920 --> 01:55:24,080
Speaker 3: up in six weeks. She was like there's no She's like,

2350
01:55:24,600 --> 01:55:26,640
Speaker 3: everything has to go exactly right for you to go

2351
01:55:26,640 --> 01:55:27,160
Speaker 3: to Poland.

2352
01:55:27,480 --> 01:55:28,920
Speaker 4: She said better than perfect.

2353
01:55:29,480 --> 01:55:31,240
Speaker 5: So at the postop appointment, I was like, how does

2354
01:55:31,240 --> 01:55:32,839
Speaker 5: it feel to be better than perfect?

2355
01:55:33,040 --> 01:55:33,800
Speaker 7: Wow?

2356
01:55:34,520 --> 01:55:38,920
Speaker 3: The brain surgery, I bounced back really fast. I was like,

2357
01:55:38,960 --> 01:55:41,080
Speaker 3: I said two months after I was hunting, you know,

2358
01:55:41,120 --> 01:55:41,760
Speaker 3: by myself.

2359
01:55:42,280 --> 01:55:44,520
Speaker 2: I get these ingrown toenails.

2360
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:45,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, they'll suck.

2361
01:55:51,440 --> 01:55:53,520
Speaker 8: I see her off your wrist brace there.

2362
01:55:54,520 --> 01:55:58,440
Speaker 2: Oh, also good loss like carple To, a lot of

2363
01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:03,120
Speaker 2: your sympathy. I'm feeling you. No, Yeah, you've been health

2364
01:56:03,200 --> 01:56:04,080
Speaker 2: You've been through hell.

2365
01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:05,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, mm hmm.

2366
01:56:07,200 --> 01:56:09,240
Speaker 2: I hope to. I don't know. I don't know if

2367
01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:11,320
Speaker 2: I want you to keep it up, if I want

2368
01:56:11,360 --> 01:56:12,080
Speaker 2: you to chill out.

2369
01:56:12,800 --> 01:56:15,080
Speaker 1: I need you need like a little good luck streak,

2370
01:56:15,160 --> 01:56:17,200
Speaker 1: now I do I do you guys canna take a

2371
01:56:17,240 --> 01:56:18,560
Speaker 1: second Chance out of honeymoon?

2372
01:56:18,560 --> 01:56:19,960
Speaker 2: Do you feel sick? You feel like you got to

2373
01:56:19,960 --> 01:56:20,480
Speaker 2: take care.

2374
01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:25,280
Speaker 3: Of So next summer we'll be back in Montana. A

2375
01:56:25,680 --> 01:56:30,480
Speaker 3: company or organization rather called Operation Second Chance reached out

2376
01:56:30,560 --> 01:56:35,120
Speaker 3: to me and it's basically like disabled veterans or purple

2377
01:56:35,120 --> 01:56:39,080
Speaker 3: heart recipient retreat, so a couple's retreat.

2378
01:56:39,240 --> 01:56:41,000
Speaker 2: So we that's cool. Yeah.

2379
01:56:41,120 --> 01:56:43,240
Speaker 3: So they reached out and they're like, hey, man, like,

2380
01:56:44,320 --> 01:56:48,480
Speaker 3: actually this wonderful wildlife photographer out of Montana named Colleen

2381
01:56:49,800 --> 01:56:51,160
Speaker 3: I think she. I want to say she was the

2382
01:56:51,200 --> 01:56:54,800
Speaker 3: first person I responded to on Instagram. She's been super,

2383
01:56:54,840 --> 01:56:58,640
Speaker 3: super sweet this whole time. She like, she's like, if

2384
01:56:58,640 --> 01:56:59,920
Speaker 3: you ever want to come back, I'll show you this

2385
01:57:00,160 --> 01:57:03,160
Speaker 3: gray owls you can photograph. She sent me care package.

2386
01:57:03,480 --> 01:57:07,080
Speaker 3: She got me hooked up with this Second Chance organization.

2387
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:08,160
Speaker 2: Photographer sticking together.

2388
01:57:08,320 --> 01:57:16,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, total sweetheart. She's been awesome. So yeah, I think.

2389
01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:17,920
Speaker 2: That's some stuff to look forward to.

2390
01:57:18,200 --> 01:57:21,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that'll be the time. Unfortunately, like working

2391
01:57:21,400 --> 01:57:26,000
Speaker 3: for the government, time off is like I have generous

2392
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:27,800
Speaker 3: time off. However, like this is going to set me

2393
01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:30,800
Speaker 3: back so far that I gotta like tiptoe around what

2394
01:57:30,880 --> 01:57:32,880
Speaker 3: we're gonna get for time what I'll have for time off.

2395
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's working for the army. I also guys worked

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01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:37,200
Speaker 1: for the government, They've got nothing butt time off.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I I, like I said, it can be generous.

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01:57:41,160 --> 01:57:44,760
Speaker 3: But because I'm at zero right now, essentially after the surgery,

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01:57:47,120 --> 01:57:49,400
Speaker 3: I'll have to I have to cruise some time off.

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Speaker 3: But we'll we'll see by the time we get there

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01:57:51,560 --> 01:57:52,280
Speaker 3: out of a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: So get your good job with the ARS, dude, Yeah,

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01:57:55,720 --> 01:57:57,880
Speaker 1: non stop time off, that'd be nice.

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Speaker 2: Well, all right, man, thanks for coming on the show.

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01:58:02,200 --> 01:58:06,600
Speaker 3: Thanks for having us big fans. So yeah, really really

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01:58:06,600 --> 01:58:07,240
Speaker 3: happy to be here.

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Speaker 2: Stay safe out there.

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01:58:08,280 --> 01:58:08,680
Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Do forget your bear spray again.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, thanks for sharing my pleasure.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Thank you.