Speaker 1: What is up, Dolphins, And welcome to the Draft Time Podcast.
Speaker 1: I am your host, Travis Wingfield, And on today's show,
Speaker 1: the draft is a rap. We're gonna deep dive two
Speaker 1: more prospects, tell you about the entire class, hear from
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel and Chris Greer one more time, and then
Speaker 1: call it a weekend. But plenty more coverage coming away
Speaker 1: next week on the Dolphins twenty twenty five Draft from
Speaker 1: the Baptist Health Studios inside the Baptist Health Training Complex.
Speaker 2: This is the Draft Time Podcast.
Speaker 1: Heye, So the deep dives are coming, much like the dragons,
Speaker 1: they are coming. I promise you trust that. But I
Speaker 1: don't want to rush it and push something out without
Speaker 1: studying it deeply. And I can't possibly get to six
Speaker 1: deep dives on the podcast today, So I'll give you
Speaker 1: a quick report on the last fifth round pick, the
Speaker 1: sixth round pick, and the two seventh rounders. We'll come
Speaker 1: back next week on the show and do a comprehensive
Speaker 1: deep dive on those guys like we'll do today with
Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips out of Maryland, the defensive tackle and Jason
Speaker 1: Marshall Junior, the cornerback out of Florida. Let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and start the podcast this.
Speaker 2: Way, though.
Speaker 1: So we first made a trade at the top of
Speaker 1: the fourth round to go back in the draft and
Speaker 1: recoup a third round draft pick next year from the
Speaker 1: Houston Texas. The details are, we gave up pick one
Speaker 1: six team and two twenty four in the seventh round.
Speaker 1: The Texans gave us back pick one seventy nine at
Speaker 1: the top of the fifth round, and then next year's
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six third round draft pick, which could be
Speaker 1: anywhere from let's see that would be pick sixty five
Speaker 1: if they finished dead last, and if they win the
Speaker 1: championship would be oh gosh, live math ninety six before
Speaker 1: the comp picks, right, So anywhere from yeah, sixty five
Speaker 1: to ninety six for next year's third round draft pick,
Speaker 1: plus you get your own third round draft pick next
Speaker 1: year as well. So our final twenty twenty five Miami
Speaker 1: Dolphins draft class like this number one, pick thirteen defensive
Speaker 1: tackle Kenneth Grant out of Michigan, Number two thirty seven
Speaker 1: overall offensive lineman Jonah Savanaiah from Arizona. Pick number in
Speaker 1: the fifth round one forty three defensive tackle Jordan Phillips
Speaker 1: out of Maryland, number one fifty overall, also in the
Speaker 1: fifth round, cornerback Jason Marshall Junior out of Florida pick
Speaker 1: number one fifty five in the fifth round, safety Dante Trader,
Speaker 1: Junior from Maryland in the sixth round, pick one seventy
Speaker 1: nine overall, running back Ollie Gordon from Oklahoma State. In
Speaker 1: the seventh round, pick two thirty one, quarterback Quinnywers out
Speaker 1: of Texas, and then the final pick for the Miami
Speaker 1: Dolphins in twenty twenty five, defensive tackle Zeke Biggers out
Speaker 1: of Georgia Tech. We covered Kenneth Grant on Thursday night
Speaker 1: on the podcast. He also joined us on the Friday
Speaker 1: podcast where we covered the second round pick, Jonah Slovaniah.
Speaker 1: And we'll get to two more guys today and finish
Speaker 1: up next week on the rest of the draft. Luckily,
Speaker 1: as I write this up at two fifteen on a
Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon, though, I am three for three on having
Speaker 1: studied all of the guys that the Dolphins took so
Speaker 1: far in the draft, so I have the detailed reports
Speaker 1: already posted on Grant and Jonah. I will have an
Speaker 1: in depth report on this podcast on Jordan Phillips and
Speaker 1: I had to get in the film room on Jason
Speaker 1: Marshall Junior. So we'll do a quick word on the
Speaker 1: rest of the picks and then come back for those
Speaker 1: deeper dives.
Speaker 2: Sound good to you guys, all right? Cool?
Speaker 1: Also, I think we'll go with McDaniel and Greer at
Speaker 1: the end of the podcast for the sake of quickness
Speaker 1: and pumping the podcast out to you all expeditiously. So
Speaker 1: we finished up here with the final four picks. Safety
Speaker 1: Dante Trader from Maryland. This from Dane Brugler. With his
Speaker 1: urgent competitive mentality. Trader has a twitchy response to plays
Speaker 1: in front of him and loves to be around the action.
Speaker 1: His long speed is not as impressive as his short
Speaker 1: area burst. He's a tough, instinctive defender at his best
Speaker 1: driving downhill, although he can't patrol the DP half and
Speaker 1: matchup in man coverage versus tight ends. He talked about
Speaker 1: this is me talking now. Trader talked about Buddha Baker
Speaker 1: as the guy that he models his game after on
Speaker 1: his zoom call with the South Florida Media, and man,
Speaker 1: what a sharp session that was. In the interview, talking
Speaker 1: about coverage, shells and different responsibilities. He talked about the
Speaker 1: non negotiable of being a core four special teamer at
Speaker 1: Maryland when he first arrived and how that kind of
Speaker 1: set him up for success. To learn about everything you
Speaker 1: get you have to earn at this sport, at this level,
Speaker 1: and all the hard work that goes into that just
Speaker 1: continues to track with the character in love of the game.
Speaker 1: He also was a lacrosse player at Maryland, like a
Speaker 1: highly recruited one, and split his attention between two sports,
Speaker 1: and Brugler writes that he thinks that with a full
Speaker 1: dedication out to football, that Trader can take another step.
Speaker 1: Running Back Ali Gordon from Oklahoma State. Now I do
Speaker 1: know Olie tape. In fact, I had a deep dive
Speaker 1: written up on him. I'm gonna save the deeper dive
Speaker 1: and just give you my pre draft ride up here
Speaker 1: on Ali Gordon. Here's what I've got, super high cut,
Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty five pound running back with a
Speaker 1: highlight reel of high hurling defenders.
Speaker 2: Think about that too.
Speaker 1: Twenty five and high hurdling guys, not too bad. He
Speaker 1: is an upright runner, takes long strides, has long legs.
Speaker 1: That's what high cut means. Doesn't mess around with movement,
Speaker 1: but seeks out contact and punishment.
Speaker 2: Getting downhill.
Speaker 1: Not really gonna make you miss in short spaces, but
Speaker 1: he'll try to go through you instead. Exceptional pass protector
Speaker 1: who really takes it upon himself to be the last
Speaker 1: nine of defense for the quarterback. Almost takes it personal
Speaker 1: if you try to hurt his quarterback or hit his quarterback.
Speaker 1: Has a vertical lean that can push back defenders or
Speaker 1: run through tackles with plus contact balance, and has the
Speaker 1: ability to find the cutback lane the bend back lane
Speaker 1: in zone schemes. Builds to speed, not quick in short spaces.
Speaker 1: Vicious pass protector was a big part of the screen
Speaker 1: game there, but was not asked to do a whole
Speaker 1: lot otherwise in the passing game at Oklahoma State. Staying
Speaker 1: there in the Big twelve, No, that's sec Now shoot
Speaker 1: Texas quarterback Quinn viewers from Dane Brugler overall viewers has
Speaker 1: the arm, intelligence and employees that will translate to the
Speaker 1: next level, although his up and down decision making limitations
Speaker 1: as a play extender and durability concerns create question marks
Speaker 1: for his pro ceiling. I remember when Quinn yours was
Speaker 1: like talked about as a future number one draft pick.
Speaker 1: This last season did not go very well for him
Speaker 1: at Texas, but perhaps that creates a chip on his
Speaker 1: shoulder to come in here and light light the world
Speaker 1: on fire. And then finally defensive tackles Zeke Biggers from
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech from Brugler. Once again, Biggers passes the eye
Speaker 1: test with flying colors and flashes with spurts of power
Speaker 1: to create knockback or force his momentum through gaps. He
Speaker 1: can handle himself for double teams, but does not have
Speaker 1: the quickness to get through single blocks to extend his range.
Speaker 1: We'll have more for you guys on those two players,
Speaker 1: Ali Gordon and Dante Trader, as well as of course
Speaker 1: Youwers and Biggers. Let's go ahead and take a quick
Speaker 1: break early in the show right here, come back on
Speaker 1: the other side and get into the deep dive the
Speaker 1: profiles here on both Jordan Phillips and Jason Marshall Junior.
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Speaker 1: All R Let's go ahead and get into this now.
Speaker 1: First off, the theme continues right three players over one
Speaker 1: thousand pounds of humanity and Jordan Phillips from Maryland is
Speaker 1: another one of these high character, team first type of
Speaker 1: guys that helps you set your foundation in the middle.
Speaker 1: We did an entire segment on it last night on
Speaker 1: the show, and now we get a toss another three
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty pound player with grit, power determination to
Speaker 1: the mix. And I wrote all of this before we
Speaker 1: just turn in the pick for running back Olie Gordon from.
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State, who is a butt kicker.
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to use the word that starts
Speaker 1: with A, but it's a family friendly show here. That's
Speaker 1: what he is, which continues that theme of getting tougher,
Speaker 1: more physical, stronger, bigger, shortyardage conversion ability, bad weather ability
Speaker 1: on the road, all that stuff. All these moves give
Speaker 1: you a chance, give you the opportunity to quell that
Speaker 1: question you've had for a couple of years now, right,
Speaker 1: that comes up every December in media talking points and
Speaker 1: the results as well. So I think you've done a
Speaker 1: good job of getting yourself a chance to correct that
Speaker 1: and add some stake to the sizzle you've enjoyed for
Speaker 1: the last couple of years here in Miami. But I
Speaker 1: want to do this first because of the theme talking
Speaker 1: about the background of Jordan Phillips. We'll get to the
Speaker 1: film here in a minute, but just a quick background.
Speaker 1: He won the Pat Tillman Award at the Shrine Bowl
Speaker 1: this year, which is a player who embodies character, intelligence, sportsmanship,
Speaker 1: and service, recognizing their impact on and off the field.
Speaker 1: Here's what Dane Brugler at The Athletic wrote about him.
Speaker 1: Phillips is a dancing bear with big man twitch and
Speaker 1: commanding power, but his immense talent needs to be unlocked
Speaker 1: unlocked rather by more mature timing and technique, which to
Speaker 1: me is Austin Clark's specialty. Back to Dane, although he
Speaker 1: will need time, he has the traits and work ethic
Speaker 1: to become a rotational nose with the upside of an
Speaker 1: NFL starter man that seems just like the guy you
Speaker 1: want in the fifth round. I mean, he's also a
Speaker 1: Florida guy. He played hoop and was on a swimming
Speaker 1: and diving team as a youth and a wrestler throughout
Speaker 1: the course of heist. Cool, so very well versed in
Speaker 1: multiple sports, and that's where you can see the movement skills. Right.
Speaker 1: We always talk about, or for a long time, the
Speaker 1: conversation about specializing in one or two in one sport,
Speaker 1: was like, don't do that, because you're robbing your body's
Speaker 1: ability to learn natural movements. And when you watch Jordan
Speaker 1: Phillips play, it is so apparent that he was playing sports,
Speaker 1: all kinds of sports throughout his entire youth. I mean
Speaker 1: the way swimming teaches your body to move differently versus wrestling,
Speaker 1: versus basketball. All of that stuff pays off, and I
Speaker 1: think it has for Jordan Phillips. The film on this
Speaker 1: guy is really fun to watch. Kyle Krabs had him
Speaker 1: as his ninety eighth overall player. Simon Clancy from the
Speaker 1: Three Yards Per Carry podcast wrote that he would be
Speaker 1: a classic Howie Roseman Steele in the third round. Instead,
Speaker 1: he goes off the board in the fifth round to
Speaker 1: Chris Greer in the Miami Dolphins, which the fifth round
Speaker 1: in the past, I mean Rashad Jones, Jaya Jaye, even
Speaker 1: the one year we got of Tony Lippitt, Bobby McCain.
Speaker 1: It's been a pretty fruitful round for the Miami Dolphins
Speaker 1: over the years. Here's what I wrote pre draft about Phillips.
Speaker 1: I'm three for three on guys that I was pretty
Speaker 1: big on three guys that were on my guy's list
Speaker 1: go first three picks to the Miami Dolphins. I think
Speaker 1: Phillips is going to be one of the first picks
Speaker 1: on day three. I was wrong about that, but he
Speaker 1: was a Day three pick and be a stud who
Speaker 1: falls because of the depth of this class. Squatty body,
Speaker 1: six foot one, three hundred and twenty pounds. He can
Speaker 1: play the nose, but has the flexibility to win with
Speaker 1: quickness and bend. He's able to generate momentum, then pull
Speaker 1: the string and get guys off balance. A lot of
Speaker 1: that grip strength you see from his wrestling background. He's
Speaker 1: so powerful with superb core strength. That combo with his
Speaker 1: quickness and pliability tell you, yep, this guy did wrestle
Speaker 1: back in high school. They're always so easy to spot
Speaker 1: to me with their toughness in the way they play
Speaker 1: the game. He kicked butt at the Shrine Bowl. Guys
Speaker 1: could not handle his speed. Reading some of the draft
Speaker 1: reports on him, the common knock is a lack of length,
Speaker 1: which you know, six foot one not terribly long in
Speaker 1: terms of the wingspan to stack some blocks on the nose.
Speaker 1: Maybe shows up a little bit on the tape, but
Speaker 1: That's why to me, he wasn't you know, a top
Speaker 1: five defensive tack gold in this class, didn't get picked
Speaker 1: among the top five guys. And the guy you drafted
Speaker 1: on Thursday can do that to anyone. And oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, so can Vinitio Jones. So I think that
Speaker 1: there is an opportunity here for him to play multiple
Speaker 1: spots across a defensive line, even here in year one,
Speaker 1: should he earn those reps.
Speaker 2: More on that in the fit.
Speaker 1: But man, the pass rush twitch, he's got a wicked
Speaker 1: spin movie. He sets up with a quick first step. Really,
Speaker 1: the first two or three steps of his pass rushes
Speaker 1: or his get off in general is where he can win.
Speaker 1: And then from there he plays with such a natural leverage,
Speaker 1: and he can really generate power through that pad level
Speaker 1: and through his quickness. I just love a wrestler down
Speaker 1: in the trenches.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: We talked with Kenny g about dabbling and wrestling back
Speaker 1: in high school. Jordan was a full on stud in
Speaker 1: the sport. I think you see that in the hand
Speaker 1: usage and the grappling that he has. Sometimes it would
Speaker 1: look like a rep would come to a stalemate against
Speaker 1: his man that he's rushing versus and then he just
Speaker 1: bowls him over and the guy goes down like sniper style,
Speaker 1: and that a lot of times can be attributed to
Speaker 1: super heavy hands, which again the grappling and the fact
Speaker 1: that he's a powerlifter. You got to have pretty good
Speaker 1: grip strength to be a powerlifter. I think that his
Speaker 1: usage at Maryland was, how do I say, maybe not
Speaker 1: the best use of his skill set. And you're gonna
Speaker 1: learn about this guy being a very selfless player and
Speaker 1: how he was able to do whatever the team needed
Speaker 1: him to do to win games. But I thought maybe
Speaker 1: his best position might be the three technique and where
Speaker 1: I think he could play in the next level because
Speaker 1: we do have those guys that are twenty plus pounds
Speaker 1: heavier than him with Kenneth Grant and Benito Jones, so
Speaker 1: he does have that nose tackle experience. I think the
Speaker 1: Dolphins have done a good job so far in this
Speaker 1: draft of getting good foundational pieces inside but also providing
Speaker 1: like options beyond them, like James Daniels can play center
Speaker 1: in a pinch if you need him to. You know,
Speaker 1: talk about Larry Borham with garden tackle experience on the
Speaker 1: offensive line, and now with the defensive guys you got
Speaker 1: with Kenneth Grant and Jordan Phillips, like you have nose
Speaker 1: tackle options and three tech options. I remember last year
Speaker 1: I always say, like, man if Zach Seeler goes down,
Speaker 1: like we don't have the bodies to fill out that position,
Speaker 1: Like I like deseean Hand and you know Benito Jones,
Speaker 1: But when you lose one of those top line guys,
Speaker 1: like it really cuts into your depth. I think Miami
Speaker 1: is better equipped now with the guys they have up
Speaker 1: front to be able to withstand the attrition of an
Speaker 1: NFL season. So to me, I think this figure is
Speaker 1: to be a rotational piece across multiple spots in different
Speaker 1: fronts and different packages. But with his real chance to
Speaker 1: shine being as a true three technique. You've got all
Speaker 1: kinds of edges on this team that can impact football games.
Speaker 1: And now with Grant and Phillips, you have two guys
Speaker 1: that can really play the three. Grant can play the nose,
Speaker 1: Jordan can in a pinch as well. But you really
Speaker 1: deep into your front and the options you have there.
Speaker 1: With Jordan, I think the only thing that's lacking is
Speaker 1: just seasoning. I mean, he's twenty years old, like all
Speaker 1: the things you look at, you know that maybe don't
Speaker 1: jump off the tape. The stuff that makes him last
Speaker 1: until the fifth round is to me, because he's so young,
Speaker 1: twenty years old. His best ball is ahead of him.
Speaker 1: Super mature young man, as we heard on his media
Speaker 1: his press conference with the media down here, with upside
Speaker 1: things like finishing an eye. Discipline is where I think
Speaker 1: you can get some improvement from him. But that, to me,
Speaker 1: that comes with time and hard work, which he is
Speaker 1: not afraid of. And then he also has a really
Speaker 1: good pass rush arsenal, which tells you, like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not like he's just his raw prospect, like he's
Speaker 1: put the time in to do certain things and get
Speaker 1: better in the game that way, And that's pretty impressive
Speaker 1: for a twenty year old man. His fit here, you know,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the scheme fit.
Speaker 2: Here in a moment.
Speaker 1: But how about this quote from Maryland Head coach Mike Loxley,
Speaker 1: who by the way, was an OC for TUA back
Speaker 1: in the day and once was a big fan of
Speaker 1: Oosa's game and still is quote, he has pulled guys
Speaker 1: along with him that didn't always do things the right way.
Speaker 1: Now they're following him. That's where player led comes in.
Speaker 1: And from that same article I read on umturps dot
Speaker 1: com something that hit one of his teammates said, quote,
Speaker 1: Coach Locksley always said, if you make it about the team,
Speaker 1: everybody benefits. If you make it about yourself, only you benefit.
Speaker 1: If everyone wins, the team wins. And I feel like
Speaker 1: Jordan embodied that. It just goes to show selflessness and
Speaker 1: shows that the team is his focus. That's the kind
Speaker 1: of guy that Jordan is. End quote. And we kind
Speaker 1: of covered this in the fit in terms of where
Speaker 1: I think he has his best chance to shine. And
Speaker 1: the thing that keeps standing out to me is the
Speaker 1: quickness off the snap in his pad level, and you know,
Speaker 1: he really uproots guys from underneath their shoulder pads, and
Speaker 1: that lateral explosiveness will play really, really well. And the
Speaker 1: thing we talk about all the time here, all the
Speaker 1: rush games the Dolphins run up front, they are one
Speaker 1: of the most prominent teams in terms of stunts and
Speaker 1: slants and twist and with him with Steeler and Grant
Speaker 1: setting picks and him looping in off those picks with quickness.
Speaker 1: We saw Christian Wilkins get like, what did you have
Speaker 1: seven or eight sacks that last year here, half of
Speaker 1: those were off of free runs from stunt pick stunts
Speaker 1: that Zach Seedler said for him, I think that he
Speaker 1: can do that as well. For Jordan Phillips, so his
Speaker 1: stats in advanced metrics. He's played one thousand and forty
Speaker 1: five college snaps over like two years and some change
Speaker 1: was he played his first year barely played in the
Speaker 1: snaps at all, just twenty years old. So youth and
Speaker 1: beef has been a theme here for the first three picks.
Speaker 1: Kenneth Grant's twenty one, so is Savinaya Savinaya.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get that right.
Speaker 1: Eventually you're going to hear about his sack total a
Speaker 1: whole lot, which was zero, and I get it, Like
Speaker 1: that's the you know, when you don't know about a player,
Speaker 1: you go look at the stat sheet, you see that
Speaker 1: you're like, hey, what's what's the deal with that? But
Speaker 1: that was the same thing with Chop Robinson last year,
Speaker 1: who had just a couple of sacks as his final
Speaker 1: europe Penn State. And anyone that you know, really evaluates
Speaker 1: football knows that sacks, like without context is not a
Speaker 1: very telling statistic. His presence was felt as a pass
Speaker 1: rusher sixteen pressures last year ten the year prior, so
Speaker 1: twenty six on five hundred and eighteen pass rush reps,
Speaker 1: almost exclusively over the nose, which is the toughest place
Speaker 1: to win your pass rush from. Like the best centers
Speaker 1: in the NFL have pass block efficiency scores of ninety
Speaker 1: nine plus. The best tackles are like ninety six plus,
Speaker 1: so it's harder to get pressures from that position. But
Speaker 1: his alignment last year two hundred and eighty three snaps
Speaker 1: in either a gap which is you know, nose tackle
Speaker 1: zero technique one technique did play two forty three in
Speaker 1: the B gaps which can be two two I and
Speaker 1: three techniques, So I guess not exclusively, but man a
Speaker 1: lot of the pass rush production I see comes on
Speaker 1: the tape from the zero one technique alignments. He also
Speaker 1: made twenty stops on two hundred and sixty five rundown reps.
Speaker 1: Those are tackles within that are considered wins for the defense,
Speaker 1: you know, percentage of the yards to gain in the
Speaker 1: defense's favor. He was an eightieth percent tile weight measurement
Speaker 1: at three to twelve at the combine, but guys typically
Speaker 1: drop weight at the combine, and he'll probably put some
Speaker 1: more weight back on eightieth percent tile in bench in
Speaker 1: twenty nine reps eighty second with a thirty one inch vertical.
Speaker 1: You see the explosiveness all over his tape. Seventy second
Speaker 1: percent tile broad jump that's a nine flat broad jump,
Speaker 1: and sixty fifth percent tile in the shuttle.
Speaker 2: He did not run a forty yard dash.
Speaker 1: And then we picked again just seven slots later and
Speaker 1: pulled a cornerback off the board. And admittedly this was
Speaker 1: a player that I had not watched in the pre
Speaker 1: draft process. So there's some film work to be done
Speaker 1: here and coming back on the air. Now the film
Speaker 1: work has been done. Jason Marshall, Junior, the cornerback out
Speaker 1: of Florida. Now this is interesting to me because the
Speaker 1: team has played a lot of zone and never get
Speaker 1: this twisted the teams that play more man. It's like
Speaker 1: a maximum fifty percent man coverage versus zone coverage.
Speaker 2: It's his zone league.
Speaker 1: But we've been a seventy plus percent zone team over
Speaker 1: the last couple of years and last year for coach Weaver.
Speaker 1: But this dude excels in man coverage and he has
Speaker 1: an imposing look when he comes up and press. His
Speaker 1: length and aggression. Those both stand out to me. He
Speaker 1: likes to get hands on guys at the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage and can really reroute and hand fight up the
Speaker 1: stem as well as at the top of the route.
Speaker 1: He doesn't lose his balance through contact. I did think
Speaker 1: there were some times where he would get stacked and
Speaker 1: struggle to recover, but that's also kind of the nature
Speaker 1: of the position, right especially in the sec you're going
Speaker 1: to lose to some of those guys at LSU, at
Speaker 1: Alabama and all those schools that produce all these big
Speaker 1: time wide receivers. The athleticism that he showed and his
Speaker 1: testing shows up on tape. He's a good mover with
Speaker 1: smooth transition and change of directions. He gets his hands
Speaker 1: on footballs. He led the team in pass breakups two
Speaker 1: of the last three years. He was leading this year
Speaker 1: when he got so it could have been three for three,
Speaker 1: but his last interception was in twenty twenty two, so
Speaker 1: I thought the ball production would kind of match that
Speaker 1: a little closer, but it hasn't the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens as a pro I think there's
Speaker 1: room to grow in zone coverage. I mean, there's room
Speaker 1: for every player to grow at every level, especially for
Speaker 1: a rookie. But where all the experience he has and
Speaker 1: all the press that he's played, you can see that
Speaker 1: all over the tape. But there is some gambling from
Speaker 1: off positions, which you know that was the case for
Speaker 1: Will Johnson, who was rumored to be a top fifteen
Speaker 1: pick this year. I think his eyes can get caught
Speaker 1: in the backfield from time to time, Like there's a
Speaker 1: rep in a game last year where they double moved
Speaker 1: against the Hurricanes and he bites pretty hard downhill and
Speaker 1: they hit a wheel up the field for a long touchdown.
Speaker 1: I didn't feel the tackling ability really jumped off the
Speaker 1: tape one way or the other. I wasn't blown away
Speaker 1: by it. I wasn't turned off by it. I think
Speaker 1: his experience and all those reps shows up in the
Speaker 1: way he processes from off positions. He can sort of
Speaker 1: start to cheat based on the information that he gathers
Speaker 1: from the post snap movement and start to kind of
Speaker 1: cap the vertical routes before they develop. The hands and
Speaker 1: the length up and press to me are his calling card,
Speaker 1: his ability to inside hand jam with eyes on the quarterback,
Speaker 1: and then crossover step and stay in trail position.
Speaker 2: It's all very fluid with.
Speaker 1: How he does like he's really a lot of times
Speaker 1: you see guys like the shorts and the T shirt
Speaker 1: workouts are great, then they get pads on and the
Speaker 1: contact starts to happen and their game changes.
Speaker 2: That doesn't happen for him.
Speaker 1: He can really play like football, which is good for
Speaker 1: a football player. That's where I think he's the best, though,
Speaker 1: press funnel to your help from trail technique and disrupt
Speaker 1: with constant contact and physicality throughout the stem without getting flagged. Obviously,
Speaker 1: he really does trust his eyes again, sometimes for the better,
Speaker 1: and making the big jump on the football, sometimes for
Speaker 1: the worst, and gambling and getting caught with your hand
Speaker 1: in the cookie jar. The best example of that was
Speaker 1: a third down of him his physicality and trusting his eyes.
Speaker 1: A best example of that was a third down rap
Speaker 1: against Mississippi State this year where they tried to get
Speaker 1: free access to their best receiver after a day of
Speaker 1: really struggling to get any offense going, and a lot
Speaker 1: of that was because he was taking this receiver out
Speaker 1: of the game. But he had been manned up on
Speaker 1: this player the entire game and just wasn't getting anything going.
Speaker 2: So they stack this huge tight end.
Speaker 1: A stack is where you put one player up on
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and then a player right behind
Speaker 1: him so you can't jam him. So they stack him
Speaker 1: to try to get a free access route, and Marshall
Speaker 1: fights through the tight end and gets around him like
Speaker 1: gets through the pick right and then drives on the
Speaker 1: throw and breaks the ball up from behind the receiver
Speaker 1: and just makes a real like will not be denied
Speaker 1: temperament from that cornerback position type of play. I love
Speaker 1: why I saw on tape from him in that regard
Speaker 1: his fit here. I think there's some interesting flexibility here,
Speaker 1: and not in the sense of playing inside and outside,
Speaker 1: but how I think with how much inverted two we run,
Speaker 1: which is where your cornerback step down or rather flip
Speaker 1: deep and go play high coverage show and your safety
Speaker 1: has come down and cover the curl flat and the
Speaker 1: hook zones and play man coverage underneath. And seeing cater
Speaker 1: Coe who excel with that inversion coverage and with Jalen
Speaker 1: Ramsey to a separate degree, I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of ability for him in Marshall's game to do the
Speaker 1: same thing. I think that his length and his physicality
Speaker 1: again bigger route runners or even the jitterbug guys, is
Speaker 1: what really impresses me. He's just imposing. He looks the part,
Speaker 1: and when he can play with defined leverage, he can
Speaker 1: really run the receiver off his stem and take him
Speaker 1: out of the equation as he disrupts the timing. But
Speaker 1: all of those traits tell me that he could probably
Speaker 1: be a really good tight end matchup piece and cover
Speaker 1: running backs too. That's a unique skill set that a
Speaker 1: lot of cornerbacks don't have as well as play the
Speaker 1: crossers you know in zone coverage, or play like a
Speaker 1: robber role from depth. A lot of different ideas I
Speaker 1: think you can roll with Jason Marshall Junior. I'm curious
Speaker 1: toe where he winds up fitting during his rookie season.
Speaker 1: One thing he's going to have to GetUp to speed
Speaker 1: quickly on that he didn't do in college. And this
Speaker 1: is the case when you're a four year starter at
Speaker 1: a big time position at a big time program. Not
Speaker 1: a ton of special teams reps there for Jason Marshall Junior. Now,
Speaker 1: as far as the statistics and the advanced metrics. He
Speaker 1: played forty five games, started thirty nine of those over
Speaker 1: four years at Florida, another no transfers player. That's three
Speaker 1: of our first four picks that didn't have any transfers
Speaker 1: in their background. It's kind of a unique fact about
Speaker 1: players these days. Ninety eight career tackles, seven and a
Speaker 1: half for loss, one sack, twenty seven passes defense, and
Speaker 1: two picks. In his career, he played two four hundred
Speaker 1: and eighteen career snaps, including twelve hundred and twenty eight
Speaker 1: in coverage, and teams completed just sixty eight of the
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty three targets they threw at him.
Speaker 1: That's a forty seven point six percent completion rate. And
Speaker 1: at one thousand, one hundred ninety two yards, that's less
Speaker 1: than a yard per coverage snap. That's point nine seven
Speaker 1: yards per snap. And you guys know on the podcast
Speaker 1: here anything under one is top top tier in that statistic.
Speaker 1: And that's career too, by the way, not just this year.
Speaker 2: That's four years.
Speaker 1: This year, despite missing six games, he had three quarterback
Speaker 1: pressures on his five blitz attempts. He made eight stops
Speaker 1: against the run, a career high in half of a season,
Speaker 1: and he allowed just one hundred and seventy three yards
Speaker 1: on two hundred six coverage STAPs. He was the guy
Speaker 1: that dictated their coverage. They would play him off the
Speaker 1: ex position and kind of take away the other team's
Speaker 1: best receiver in the sec there. He's also been almost
Speaker 1: exclusively a perimeter corner in college twenty one ninety eight
Speaker 1: snaps out wide, sixty two in the slot, one thirty
Speaker 1: six in the box, and he even had fourteen as
Speaker 1: a safety. That's typically you know in third and a
Speaker 1: mile dime packages where everybody's away from the football. So
Speaker 1: don't read too much into that one. As for the measurables,
Speaker 1: six zho three, that's eighty first percent tile. In terms
Speaker 1: of his height, one hundred and ninety four pounds a
Speaker 1: seventy third percent tile. He was eighty first percent tile
Speaker 1: in his explosive metrics, thirty seven and a half inch
Speaker 1: vertical ten to oh five on the broad a four
Speaker 1: four nine forty was seventy third percent tile, and his
Speaker 1: quick ten split at one five to four was eighty
Speaker 1: third percent tile. Eric Galco, talking about background now, the
Speaker 1: director of the Shrine Bowl wrote, Dolphins land an immediate
Speaker 1: versatile in A versatile contributor to the defensive back room
Speaker 1: in Florida's j Jason Marshall junior. He impressed clubs with
Speaker 1: the Shrine both his football IQ and coverage and team interviews,
Speaker 1: and he had a very busy week there. At six
Speaker 1: foot one ninety five, he finished in the ninety seven
Speaker 1: percent title among cornerbacks in the twenty twenty five draft.
Speaker 1: Would have been a fourth or fifth round pick last year,
Speaker 1: and if not for injury during this season, was trending
Speaker 1: towards being a top one hundred pick. Great value for
Speaker 1: the Dolphins here Miami guy Right went to Palmeto High
Speaker 1: in Miami. He had offers from Florida, LSU, Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon,
Speaker 1: penns at USC Tennessee, all the great colleges. He earned
Speaker 1: sec academic honor roll and graduate with a degree in
Speaker 1: education Sciences. That's Jason Marshall junior, Dolphins fifth round draft pick,
Speaker 1: one of the three they made on this day from Florida.
Speaker 1: Once again, we're gonna have the other four deep dives
Speaker 1: on these prospects that were drafted by your Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 1: On I believe a Monday and Tuesday edition of the
Speaker 1: Draft Time podcast is my plan. Let's go ahead and
Speaker 1: take our last break right there, come back on the
Speaker 1: other side, and here from Mike McDaniel and Chris Greer
Speaker 1: one last time to recap Day three of the draft
Speaker 1: and the entire draft Draft Time Podcast brought to you
Speaker 1: by Auto Nation. So Mike McDaniel and Chris Career, after
Speaker 1: a long weekend. Man, these draft weekends, they they'll take
Speaker 1: a toll on you in terms of the work that
Speaker 1: goes into it for everybody involved, content creators, draft selection makers, scouts.
Speaker 2: It's just a long weekend.
Speaker 1: The entire NFL is kind of on for the entire
Speaker 1: seventy two hours.
Speaker 2: But got through it all.
Speaker 1: They spoke to us here after Day three and let's
Speaker 1: go ahead and kick it off with this, because the
Speaker 1: Dolphins did not address the cornerback position until the fifth
Speaker 1: round of this year's draft, with Florida's Jason Marshall Junior,
Speaker 1: a spot that many folks thought could be a first
Speaker 1: round pick, maybe you'd come back in the second round,
Speaker 1: but it didn't happen until the fifth round. And so
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel was asked about the idea of doing that
Speaker 1: and what went into the decision for that and what
Speaker 1: it means going forward here at the cornerback position.
Speaker 3: We were very prepared for the multiple scenarios that can
Speaker 3: come up. You know, I think when we talk about
Speaker 3: players adding to our football team, you're there's a lot
Speaker 3: of needs. You're trying to make sure that you improve
Speaker 3: with every player, that the opportunity that you have matches
Speaker 3: what that player can provide. And realistically, there there was
Speaker 3: scenarios where we could see, you know, this wasn't the
Speaker 3: how it played out wasn't wasn't foreign to us. It's
Speaker 3: important that you have people valued appropriately and you don't
Speaker 3: overvalue players because that's where you can run into some trouble.
Speaker 3: So the way I was very happy with, you know,
Speaker 3: the things, the needs that were able to be met
Speaker 3: because to me, the you know, for instance, you feel
Speaker 3: good about the offensive line. You know you want to improve.
Speaker 3: But it wasn't just the idea of improving. We feel
Speaker 3: like we targeted players at all the positions that we
Speaker 3: knew that could help us, and you know, as our
Speaker 3: picks came up and as we were able to have
Speaker 3: opportunity to go different places, we attacked those processes, so
Speaker 3: very aware of the possibility of a you know, the
Speaker 3: guy that we like being being in the fourth round
Speaker 3: or the fifth and you're just trying to focus on
Speaker 3: the entire team and make sure that you get better
Speaker 3: with each and every selection.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like that point about how you get you know,
Speaker 1: forcing things can wind up making you make wrong decisions.
Speaker 1: And I was texting with good buddy Kyle Krab's Front
Speaker 1: of the Show here on Saturday morning, like I was like,
Speaker 1: I kind of like Kobe Bryant, I kind of like
Speaker 1: Denzel Burke in that first spot in the fourth round,
Speaker 1: and he was like, it kind of feels like going
Speaker 1: cornerback would be going cornerback just to go cornerback because
Speaker 1: he felt there was better options on the board. And
Speaker 1: so to the Dolphins and they trade back, they get
Speaker 1: defensive tackle with the next pick, and they come back
Speaker 1: with a couple of defensive backs later on after that.
Speaker 1: So I think that, you know, I think that that
Speaker 1: concept is right, because when you do wind up saying
Speaker 1: like we have to take this position in this spot,
Speaker 1: that's that's how you make poor decisions. And for the
Speaker 1: Dolphins to stick to their board and stick to just
Speaker 1: making the football team better, like over a long period
Speaker 1: of time. That's the best mode of team building, right
Speaker 1: It's you put enough, you make up the margin for
Speaker 1: better players opposed to maybe taking a lesser player that
Speaker 1: fits a need. Over a long period of time, you're
Speaker 1: gonna be a better team at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: And we talk about us all the time on the show,
Speaker 1: Like in modern NFL, the way short term contracts are
Speaker 1: handed out, the way guys change teams on the rag nowadays,
Speaker 1: if you're drafting for need today, your needs will be
Speaker 1: different six months down the road or even two months
Speaker 1: down the road, right, Like, it just changes all the time.
Speaker 2: It's very fluid.
Speaker 1: So take the best players and try to build your
Speaker 1: team through a similar vision rather than say we need
Speaker 1: a cornerback here, it's got to be cornerback. I really
Speaker 1: like that concept. They had the vision, you know, getting bigger,
Speaker 1: but getting stronger, all that stuff, getting more physical and
Speaker 1: finding guys that love football.
Speaker 2: All those things were key's in this draft.
Speaker 1: And I think that when you start to go off
Speaker 1: of that and say I need to pivot from that
Speaker 1: strategy and take this position, that's when you could get
Speaker 1: in trouble.
Speaker 2: Quarterback coming to Miami. Quinn, you were from Texas.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and hear from Chris Greer on the
Speaker 1: decision to select.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Quinn was obviously he had a very good college career.
Speaker 4: Mike and I we met him the year before at
Speaker 4: the Texas workout and we spent some time. We've talked
Speaker 4: to coach Scarn scarnaka that's the Sarkasian going back to
Speaker 4: my New England stuff. Coach Sarkisian about him, and you know,
Speaker 4: sark really likes him. Was high and was talking about
Speaker 4: him playing through the injuries this year which affected his
Speaker 4: play a little bit, but talked about it's just toughness,
Speaker 4: his mental toughness of pushing through with the injury, of
Speaker 4: the expectations, all the pressure, you know, with Manning there
Speaker 4: coming in and and so he loved his competitiveness and
Speaker 4: how he plays and how his teammates respond to him.
Speaker 4: So he was someone that we always had an eye
Speaker 4: on looking at and at the opportunity to point in
Speaker 4: the draft just made sense for us to pull the pick.
Speaker 1: And now we are officially to one of my favorite
Speaker 1: parts of the entire calendar, the UDFAS.
Speaker 2: I love this time of year.
Speaker 1: We'll have Emory Hunt on the podcast later on to
Speaker 1: once again, for like the fifth consecutive year, probably accurately
Speaker 1: predict which udf as will make the roster. Let's go
Speaker 1: ahead and hear from Chris Greer on what that process
Speaker 1: looks like. Turn your touch from the draft now to
Speaker 1: the udf as it did not get selected.
Speaker 4: Yeah, as soon as our last pick went, you know,
Speaker 4: we're waiting for the end of the draft, but you
Speaker 4: start getting ready to communicate with players and agents to
Speaker 4: try and see if we can find a spot from
Speaker 4: here and make it a mutual agreement. And so for us,
Speaker 4: it's it's it's always something you communicate with, you know,
Speaker 4: the agents throughout the spring too as well about interest
Speaker 4: in players. And so for us, we're actively going I said,
Speaker 4: my phone's been going off here as we've been sitting
Speaker 4: here a bunch, and so, yeah, we're excited about some
Speaker 4: of the players we're trying to and hopefully we can
Speaker 4: close some.
Speaker 2: Of those deals.
Speaker 1: Chris was also asked about the veteran free agent market.
Speaker 1: He once again confirmed for us that they have had
Speaker 1: a number of conversations with players on that market. All
Speaker 1: kinds of guys exist out there, whether it's a Sante
Speaker 1: Samuel Junior. Jack Jones was cut by the Raiders. You
Speaker 1: got Mike Hilton, a really good slot cornerback formerly of
Speaker 1: the Bengals and Steelers before that. You got Stefan Gilmour
Speaker 1: out there, who's still doing it at age thirty four.
Speaker 1: You got Rasul Douglas who's been very good for the
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills for a couple of years. You got safeties
Speaker 1: Marcus Williams, Julian Blackman as well. So defensive backfield seems
Speaker 1: to be the spot in freegency right now that that
Speaker 1: has the most options available, and it sounds like the
Speaker 1: Dolphins have been in contact with those pieces. I loved
Speaker 1: this question and answer because I've heard a lot about
Speaker 1: it so far about where should James Daniels play in
Speaker 1: terms of his ability to play left guard right guard.
Speaker 1: Jonas Sylvanah has also played both positions across the offensive line.
Speaker 1: Are both sides, i should say, as well as tackle
Speaker 1: and guard. And you kind of get this concept like
Speaker 1: you should put James Daniels next to Patrick Paul because
Speaker 1: he's young and James is older and has experience. And
Speaker 1: I thought this answer from Mike McDaniel was a really
Speaker 1: good explanation into how the team views it with regards
Speaker 1: to how you put out the best five guys. And
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily about communication and youth and veteran experienced
Speaker 1: about body mechanics and other things. And this is just
Speaker 1: a good answer here from coach McDaniel.
Speaker 3: You know, I think there's a lot that goes into that.
Speaker 3: I think the starting point is the body mechanics and
Speaker 3: the comfort level of the individual players. To uh, and
Speaker 3: because really a confident, convicted player, the residuals can be
Speaker 3: as powerful as what you're alluding to in terms of experience.
Speaker 3: I think communication within in that room is key. We
Speaker 3: pay attention to that. If there is a reason of
Speaker 3: communication that dictates maybe a trial, you know, with different
Speaker 3: people playing next to each other, flipping sides and stuff,
Speaker 3: we would always do that. I don't uh, I don't foresee,
Speaker 3: you know, the the current players communicator should issue dictating
Speaker 3: where they play. I think it's more of their where
Speaker 3: their comfort level is. Simply because of the individuals we
Speaker 3: do have are great communicators. Where they are young, they
Speaker 3: happen to be pretty good at being able to talk
Speaker 3: to each other next to each other, and you all
Speaker 3: have to have ownership of your job across the board,
Speaker 3: regardless if you're a rookie or a veteran. I feel
Speaker 3: comfortable as it stands. But you know, I think we
Speaker 3: try to fashion ourselves as problem solver, So if that
Speaker 3: became a problem, I'm sure we'd try to fix it.
Speaker 2: I've got two more here for you.
Speaker 1: I want to give you this one about the concept
Speaker 1: or the vision I should say to go after players
Speaker 1: in the mold of leaders guys that didn't bail on programs.
Speaker 1: There was a very few amount of guys that transferred.
Speaker 1: And not that if you transfer, you like you're a
Speaker 1: bad prospect, but like there's examples of guys that refuse
Speaker 1: to transfer because they wanted to build that current pro
Speaker 1: GM And to me, that says a lot about someone's character.
Speaker 1: We talked about that with with Jonah last night, so
Speaker 1: I asked him about that. All the team captains are
Speaker 1: on the on the roster from college, as well as
Speaker 1: the concept of leadership. And I've heard so much about
Speaker 1: the leadership, so I asked Mike and Chris about that.
Speaker 1: And here's Chris Career talking about getting the right type
Speaker 1: of player in your building. Here for the Miami Dolphins
Speaker 1: to help set that culture. We heard Mike McDaniel back
Speaker 1: at the owners meetings talking about how the draft can
Speaker 1: set your culture. Well, Miami told you what they want
Speaker 1: their culture to be through this year's draft.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're always when you investigating the background, you're just
Speaker 4: it's the quality of the people and the guys that
Speaker 4: love football and the teammates and the and the drive.
Speaker 4: Like Jordan Phillips. Every time we asked anyone about him,
Speaker 4: they're like, you know, what's he doing? Then he's probably
Speaker 4: in the weight room working out. They're like, the guys
Speaker 4: are working out always. And literally the first thing he
Speaker 4: said to me on the phone when I said to
Speaker 4: your a Dolphin goes, that's great, coach. Can I get
Speaker 4: the playbook right away? You know, like, hey pay the
Speaker 4: first like just take it, take it down and enjoy
Speaker 4: the day.
Speaker 1: But he's yeah.
Speaker 4: So those guys like Jonah, they were awesome just talking
Speaker 4: about those stories about you know, when adversity hit them
Speaker 4: with the teams and how what they did to stay
Speaker 4: there and try and help their teams to get better
Speaker 4: and win. So those tite You're always drawn to those
Speaker 4: kinds of stories with players and yes, these kids are
Speaker 4: you know, quality kids are excited to.
Speaker 1: Let's conclude with this because if you're not familiar with
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel's history going back to the Niners and you know,
Speaker 1: the Texans and the Commanders or the Washington football team,
Speaker 1: like his entire career, he's kind of been a running
Speaker 1: back like Savant, he finds running backs late in drafts
Speaker 1: and udfa's Jeff Wilson one of those guys that he
Speaker 1: was big on. And the Dolphins have found running backs
Speaker 1: here in the draft under Mike McDaniel's watch. And now
Speaker 1: Ollie Gordon, the Oklahoma State monster running back, is here.
Speaker 1: And when you turn in a draft card for running
Speaker 1: back on Day three, as Miami Dolphins like, you should
Speaker 1: probably listen to what Mike mcdoniel has to say. Let's
Speaker 1: go ahead and throw it to coach about Olie Gordon's tape.
Speaker 3: Yeah, saw a lot of really good stuff I saw.
Speaker 3: You know, it's not the first time that we've come
Speaker 3: across an evaluation, you know, even at that particular school
Speaker 3: where you have someone have a really big year followed
Speaker 3: by maybe a year that they didn't anticipate or is
Speaker 3: underwhelming for for them, and you know, what's interesting is
Speaker 3: you know, really unpacking that you watch the despair, any
Speaker 3: differences in play, You try to really understand the totality
Speaker 3: of the environments. But the biggest thing is you try
Speaker 3: to meet meet the player and engage with him and
Speaker 3: and see if you know what they experience, how it's
Speaker 3: affected him. You're hoping that it burns a fire inside.
Speaker 3: And I think it was pretty evident when we visited
Speaker 3: with him that he he was eager to prove himself.
Speaker 3: So I think that the twenty three tape was very impressive,
Speaker 3: and you know, based upon our interactions with them, we
Speaker 3: feel optimistic that is the version that we're going to
Speaker 3: improve upon moving forward, and which will be up to
Speaker 3: him and what he does with this opportunity.
Speaker 1: And that is a wrap on the twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins NFL Draft. We have plenty to come your way, though,
Speaker 1: don't don't get it twisted. I have four more player
Speaker 1: breakdowns to give you, guys. We're going to do two
Speaker 1: more of those tomorrow. I gotta find the players. Let
Speaker 1: me scroll up my document real quick, because it's all
Speaker 1: kind of scat our brain right now.
Speaker 2: On the show.
Speaker 1: The next show will be Dante Trader and Olie Gordon,
Speaker 1: and then the next show after that's going to be
Speaker 1: Quinn viewers and Zeke Biggers. I think it'll be Monday
Speaker 1: for Trader and Gordon. We'll talk about the draft as
Speaker 1: a whole and kind of recap all that stuff. We'll
Speaker 1: have viewers and Biggers for the Tuesday podcast breakdown, and
Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and compliment that with the best soundbites
Speaker 1: from the players zoom press conferences here with the media
Speaker 1: in South Florida. Until then, you will please be sure
Speaker 1: at seven forty five here on a Saturday night, we're
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