1 00:00:15,210 --> 00:00:22,409 Speaker 1: Pushkin, did you ever come outside? 2 00:00:22,410 --> 00:00:24,169 Speaker 2: We have to leave it a Hi. 3 00:00:24,570 --> 00:00:27,930 Speaker 1: This is Khalila from Gimblet Media. Please hold for Jonathan Goldstein. 4 00:00:29,130 --> 00:00:29,490 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. 5 00:00:29,530 --> 00:00:31,610 Speaker 4: Who is this Khalila from Gimlet Media. 6 00:00:31,650 --> 00:00:33,450 Speaker 1: Please hold for Jonathan Goldstein. 7 00:00:34,090 --> 00:00:55,929 Speaker 2: Please hold? Yeah, Wow, hello, Hello. How nice of you 8 00:00:55,970 --> 00:01:00,410 Speaker 2: to take the call from yourself. O. Hey, Jackie, you 9 00:01:00,490 --> 00:01:02,090 Speaker 2: seem surprised that you called me. 10 00:01:02,330 --> 00:01:03,329 Speaker 1: So nice to hear from you. 11 00:01:03,370 --> 00:01:04,090 Speaker 2: I didn't call you. 12 00:01:04,170 --> 00:01:06,130 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that I had you on my calendar. 13 00:01:06,290 --> 00:01:08,890 Speaker 1: But this is great. How are you doing. It's been 14 00:01:08,930 --> 00:01:11,330 Speaker 1: so busy. It's nice to like decompress and have a 15 00:01:11,370 --> 00:01:21,050 Speaker 1: normal conversation. How's it going? From Gimblet Media. I'm Jonathan 16 00:01:21,090 --> 00:01:28,250 Speaker 1: Goldstein and this is Heavyweight Today's episode, Tony. 17 00:01:36,930 --> 00:01:39,850 Speaker 5: Paul, how are you very good? 18 00:01:39,850 --> 00:01:40,650 Speaker 4: Thanks? 19 00:01:41,970 --> 00:01:44,410 Speaker 5: I was wondering if you would be up for meeting 20 00:01:44,410 --> 00:01:48,690 Speaker 5: me for an hour? Okay, what about I was absent 21 00:01:48,770 --> 00:01:52,450 Speaker 5: for most of your life, and you know I've always 22 00:01:52,490 --> 00:01:53,290 Speaker 5: felt bad about it. 23 00:01:54,370 --> 00:01:57,930 Speaker 1: Here's something you don't hear every day. A godfather awkwardly 24 00:01:58,010 --> 00:02:01,170 Speaker 1: asking out his thirty one year old godson on a 25 00:02:01,210 --> 00:02:01,770 Speaker 1: god date. 26 00:02:02,490 --> 00:02:05,250 Speaker 5: I know you're busy. I know your busy as life 27 00:02:05,250 --> 00:02:08,250 Speaker 5: mouth father who and but I think you spare an 28 00:02:08,250 --> 00:02:10,570 Speaker 5: hour like Monday or to the night. 29 00:02:11,130 --> 00:02:11,290 Speaker 4: You know. 30 00:02:12,370 --> 00:02:14,810 Speaker 3: Unfortunately, a week in advance, not the I don't know 31 00:02:14,810 --> 00:02:15,450 Speaker 3: what the hellse going on. 32 00:02:16,450 --> 00:02:19,730 Speaker 1: The Godfather being blown off as my friend Tony, the 33 00:02:19,770 --> 00:02:22,970 Speaker 1: realization that he needed to be a better godfather came suddenly. 34 00:02:23,530 --> 00:02:26,049 Speaker 1: It was like if Vido Corleone woke up one morning 35 00:02:26,090 --> 00:02:29,210 Speaker 1: and thought, you know, godfathering should be more than just 36 00:02:29,250 --> 00:02:33,010 Speaker 1: decapitating horses, and then picked up a rotary phone and 37 00:02:33,050 --> 00:02:36,730 Speaker 1: asked Johnny Fontaine out on an ice cream date. But 38 00:02:36,810 --> 00:02:39,410 Speaker 1: to explain how Tony got to this point, let's go 39 00:02:39,490 --> 00:02:42,730 Speaker 1: back to the beginning. It all started when Tony and 40 00:02:42,770 --> 00:02:47,810 Speaker 1: I were catching up and regarding work. How is that 41 00:02:47,890 --> 00:02:49,050 Speaker 1: going good? 42 00:02:49,250 --> 00:02:50,050 Speaker 4: It's really great. 43 00:02:50,170 --> 00:02:54,250 Speaker 6: I've like, I'm actually enjoying the process I'm making this film, 44 00:02:54,290 --> 00:02:57,890 Speaker 6: which is I think the really amazing thing about the 45 00:02:57,930 --> 00:02:58,810 Speaker 6: past year. 46 00:03:00,130 --> 00:03:02,490 Speaker 1: This past year has been a hard one for Tony. 47 00:03:02,530 --> 00:03:07,010 Speaker 1: He's recently divorced and still adjusting the house that has 48 00:03:07,050 --> 00:03:07,650 Speaker 1: been settled. 49 00:03:08,730 --> 00:03:15,250 Speaker 6: Everything settled, Everything is settled. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 50 00:03:15,370 --> 00:03:17,490 Speaker 1: I first met Tony in college when he was a 51 00:03:17,530 --> 00:03:21,450 Speaker 1: young film student with manic energy. Jean Shallott curly black 52 00:03:21,490 --> 00:03:24,650 Speaker 1: hair and gray clothes that always smelt of Greek food. 53 00:03:25,490 --> 00:03:28,970 Speaker 1: After college, we became roommates and on the weekend his 54 00:03:29,090 --> 00:03:33,489 Speaker 1: mother would visit. She referred to me as gatzo'meli's mano everyaki, 55 00:03:33,890 --> 00:03:37,210 Speaker 1: which I think translates loosely as the alley cat haired 56 00:03:37,290 --> 00:03:41,010 Speaker 1: little jew. But I didn't mind, because whenever she showed 57 00:03:41,090 --> 00:03:45,610 Speaker 1: up she brought homemates Benicopita and Terra Mussolada. Tony would 58 00:03:45,690 --> 00:03:48,970 Speaker 1: wash down these Grecian delights with copious amounts of booze. 59 00:03:49,490 --> 00:03:58,370 Speaker 1: Pretty soon he started washing everything down with booze. There's 60 00:03:58,410 --> 00:04:01,050 Speaker 1: an image from that time that stuck with me. Tony 61 00:04:01,090 --> 00:04:03,370 Speaker 1: had decided to join me at the gym after downing 62 00:04:03,410 --> 00:04:06,450 Speaker 1: a half bottle of vodka. I remember him wailing on 63 00:04:06,490 --> 00:04:09,610 Speaker 1: the heavy bag in his undershirt and gray jeans, looking 64 00:04:09,610 --> 00:04:12,210 Speaker 1: a little like a kid, pounding on the floor, fed 65 00:04:12,290 --> 00:04:17,050 Speaker 1: up with everything. Eventually, Tony turned to harder drugs like heroin, 66 00:04:17,849 --> 00:04:24,730 Speaker 1: and soon after that we stopped being roommates. Tony went 67 00:04:24,770 --> 00:04:27,449 Speaker 1: to rehab and after he got out, spent some years 68 00:04:27,450 --> 00:04:30,609 Speaker 1: putting his life back together. He had a few relationships 69 00:04:30,849 --> 00:04:34,890 Speaker 1: and then he met Natalie. Natalie was smart and loved 70 00:04:34,890 --> 00:04:37,849 Speaker 1: to write, and when Tony hugged her, she disappeared into 71 00:04:37,849 --> 00:04:40,809 Speaker 1: his body. Tony's a big guy, with a thick black 72 00:04:40,849 --> 00:04:44,609 Speaker 1: beard covering his boyish face, and Natalie was apple cheeked 73 00:04:44,650 --> 00:04:48,770 Speaker 1: and glamorous. I liked being around them. One time, while 74 00:04:48,770 --> 00:04:52,369 Speaker 1: walking by a curiosity shop, I saw a comically small 75 00:04:52,409 --> 00:04:55,809 Speaker 1: ping pong table in the window. Immediately I thought of 76 00:04:55,849 --> 00:04:58,450 Speaker 1: Tony and Natalie. I imagined the two of them in 77 00:04:58,489 --> 00:05:01,210 Speaker 1: their kitchen, smacking the little ball back and forth together 78 00:05:01,570 --> 00:05:06,129 Speaker 1: and laughing. During their wedding vows, Natalie said, I vowed 79 00:05:06,130 --> 00:05:08,569 Speaker 1: to grow old with you, but most of all, to 80 00:05:08,609 --> 00:05:12,009 Speaker 1: grow young with you, and Tony interrupted her right in 81 00:05:12,049 --> 00:05:16,290 Speaker 1: the middle, eyes welling up to say me too. It 82 00:05:16,409 --> 00:05:19,210 Speaker 1: was like he'd blown his youth but was getting another chance. 83 00:05:20,369 --> 00:05:23,010 Speaker 1: But then, at some point, around three years in things 84 00:05:23,049 --> 00:05:26,049 Speaker 1: started to get tougher. Tony spent a lot of time 85 00:05:26,130 --> 00:05:29,609 Speaker 1: locked in his studio, working obsessively on his movies, and 86 00:05:29,690 --> 00:05:33,809 Speaker 1: Natalie started to feel hamstrung by montreal, its smallness, the 87 00:05:33,890 --> 00:05:37,569 Speaker 1: lack of opportunities. They wanted a baby but were having 88 00:05:37,570 --> 00:05:41,049 Speaker 1: a hard time with it. And then Tony's dad died, 89 00:05:41,450 --> 00:05:44,330 Speaker 1: making him the sole caretaker of his mother, a woman 90 00:05:44,369 --> 00:05:47,529 Speaker 1: who didn't shy away from espousing strong opinions about her 91 00:05:47,570 --> 00:05:50,810 Speaker 1: son's personal life. All of this was hard on him 92 00:05:50,849 --> 00:05:52,369 Speaker 1: and Natalie. 93 00:05:52,529 --> 00:05:54,569 Speaker 6: She was not happy. She was not happy. She was 94 00:05:54,609 --> 00:05:57,089 Speaker 6: not happy. She just didn't want to be here. 95 00:05:58,049 --> 00:06:00,409 Speaker 1: Natalie wanted to start a new life in a new place, 96 00:06:00,690 --> 00:06:03,249 Speaker 1: but Tony felt happily stuck in the old one, and 97 00:06:03,289 --> 00:06:06,130 Speaker 1: he couldn't leave his mother all alone. So when Natalie 98 00:06:06,169 --> 00:06:09,049 Speaker 1: decided to leave town, he knew he couldn't go with her. 99 00:06:09,609 --> 00:06:12,010 Speaker 1: Was there ever a conversation in which you were both 100 00:06:12,010 --> 00:06:14,049 Speaker 1: trying to envision a way in which you could leave 101 00:06:14,049 --> 00:06:14,489 Speaker 1: the city. 102 00:06:14,929 --> 00:06:18,210 Speaker 4: No, because there was no way, like even with. 103 00:06:18,130 --> 00:06:24,409 Speaker 1: Your mother, to go with you. Why is that no? 104 00:06:27,049 --> 00:06:29,729 Speaker 1: Tony's mother is an eighty four year old Greek woman 105 00:06:29,810 --> 00:06:33,210 Speaker 1: with little English, whose only hobbies are meticulously cleaning her 106 00:06:33,210 --> 00:06:37,330 Speaker 1: toaster of and wringing her hands while frowning and so 107 00:06:37,409 --> 00:06:40,609 Speaker 1: in here lies the heart of Tony's current problem. Before 108 00:06:40,609 --> 00:06:43,409 Speaker 1: they separated, Tony and Natalie were trying to have a baby, 109 00:06:43,890 --> 00:06:47,450 Speaker 1: and now he finds himself alone, middle aged, and worried 110 00:06:47,489 --> 00:06:49,849 Speaker 1: he's missed his last chance to have a kid. 111 00:06:50,650 --> 00:06:54,089 Speaker 6: I don't think there's a point to anything if you 112 00:06:54,089 --> 00:06:56,129 Speaker 6: don't have a relationship with a young person, How do 113 00:06:56,169 --> 00:06:58,449 Speaker 6: you mean if I sit here in the dark thinking 114 00:06:58,450 --> 00:07:00,529 Speaker 6: about it and realizing, you know, I'm forty six years 115 00:07:00,570 --> 00:07:03,370 Speaker 6: old and I live alone and I'm not, you know, 116 00:07:03,450 --> 00:07:05,289 Speaker 6: probably not going to have kids, and who the fuck 117 00:07:05,330 --> 00:07:09,490 Speaker 6: gives a shit if I live or die side from 118 00:07:09,489 --> 00:07:13,250 Speaker 6: my mother and a few friends. But really, who gives 119 00:07:13,250 --> 00:07:17,570 Speaker 6: a shit? You know, who's going to feel a loss? 120 00:07:18,450 --> 00:07:20,850 Speaker 6: I'm not saying that in a negotistical way, But who 121 00:07:20,850 --> 00:07:24,090 Speaker 6: do I mean something to? Whose life have I enriched? Like, 122 00:07:24,130 --> 00:07:28,090 Speaker 6: I don't think I don't understand what there is to 123 00:07:28,170 --> 00:07:31,929 Speaker 6: do here if you're not somehow helping or being connected 124 00:07:31,970 --> 00:07:32,770 Speaker 6: to a younger person. 125 00:07:40,810 --> 00:07:43,610 Speaker 1: Lately, Tony's been thinking about three young people he had 126 00:07:43,650 --> 00:07:48,650 Speaker 1: been connected to, his estranged godchildren. Tony admits to screwing 127 00:07:48,730 --> 00:07:51,970 Speaker 1: up those three relationships during three difficult chapters in his 128 00:07:52,050 --> 00:07:57,610 Speaker 1: life drug addiction, rehab, and divorce. What if you were 129 00:07:57,650 --> 00:08:00,130 Speaker 1: to try to get them back in your life? 130 00:08:00,890 --> 00:08:05,370 Speaker 6: I'm not sure what difference I can make. And somebody's 131 00:08:05,369 --> 00:08:07,730 Speaker 6: like it's kind of like, hey, yeah, here I am now, 132 00:08:07,770 --> 00:08:09,570 Speaker 6: I'm ready for you, Like I haven't been here all 133 00:08:09,610 --> 00:08:11,450 Speaker 6: these years? But hey, here I am now, you know. 134 00:08:11,850 --> 00:08:14,290 Speaker 1: Not hearing my friend give up on himself so easily, 135 00:08:14,730 --> 00:08:18,210 Speaker 1: I decided to suggest something bold. Why not try reaching 136 00:08:18,210 --> 00:08:19,650 Speaker 1: out to the god kids he lost? 137 00:08:20,010 --> 00:08:25,730 Speaker 6: Now, I mean, I actually do want to have a relationship. 138 00:08:26,330 --> 00:08:29,650 Speaker 1: I do. You don't know until you at least try. 139 00:08:29,410 --> 00:08:33,610 Speaker 4: Right, I'm I'm, I'm open to anything. 140 00:08:34,090 --> 00:08:39,530 Speaker 1: And do you have their phone numbers? I get him 141 00:08:39,530 --> 00:08:43,650 Speaker 1: to tell me about them. Beginning with the first Paul. 142 00:08:43,450 --> 00:08:46,530 Speaker 4: I was sixteen years old. It was very formal. 143 00:08:47,170 --> 00:08:50,730 Speaker 6: I held this kid in a Greek Orthodox baptism ceremony 144 00:08:50,970 --> 00:08:51,490 Speaker 6: for an hour. 145 00:08:51,570 --> 00:08:52,850 Speaker 4: My arm almost fell off. 146 00:08:53,050 --> 00:08:55,010 Speaker 6: Babies are really heavy, especially when you have one arm 147 00:08:55,050 --> 00:08:57,010 Speaker 6: to hold onto them and have a candle in the other. 148 00:08:57,250 --> 00:08:58,650 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was cute. You know. 149 00:08:58,690 --> 00:09:03,610 Speaker 6: I was really young, and I was close to their family, 150 00:09:04,410 --> 00:09:07,250 Speaker 6: but I was sixteen. Within like two years, I was 151 00:09:07,290 --> 00:09:14,490 Speaker 6: a raving, lunatic, alcoholic drug addict. I didn't see much 152 00:09:14,490 --> 00:09:18,410 Speaker 6: of him or anybody at all from the family for 153 00:09:18,530 --> 00:09:21,530 Speaker 6: quite a few years, and I didn't think about it much, 154 00:09:22,250 --> 00:09:23,170 Speaker 6: that's for sure. 155 00:09:23,970 --> 00:09:26,810 Speaker 1: And this god kid what's his name? His name is Paul, 156 00:09:27,170 --> 00:09:28,930 Speaker 1: and Paul would be about thirty years old. 157 00:09:28,970 --> 00:09:32,770 Speaker 6: Now, uh, yeah, he's thirty one. 158 00:09:33,450 --> 00:09:34,130 Speaker 4: And here's the thing. 159 00:09:34,450 --> 00:09:36,530 Speaker 6: I've never actually talked to him about about how he 160 00:09:36,530 --> 00:09:40,010 Speaker 6: felt having an absencee godfather. But he beat me at 161 00:09:40,010 --> 00:09:42,290 Speaker 6: an arm wrestle, and he I think he really enjoyed that. 162 00:09:43,090 --> 00:09:45,090 Speaker 1: And when you say he enjoyed that, he enjoyed hanging 163 00:09:45,170 --> 00:09:47,010 Speaker 1: out and spending time with you, or he enjoyed beating 164 00:09:47,090 --> 00:09:51,490 Speaker 1: you enjoyed beating me for being such a crappy godfather. 165 00:09:51,930 --> 00:09:52,610 Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. 166 00:09:52,690 --> 00:09:56,290 Speaker 1: Yeah, is there a particular question that you would want 167 00:09:56,330 --> 00:10:00,090 Speaker 1: to pose to him or to all of them? 168 00:10:02,370 --> 00:10:03,010 Speaker 4: Do you hate me? 169 00:10:04,610 --> 00:10:04,690 Speaker 2: Like? 170 00:10:04,770 --> 00:10:08,690 Speaker 6: Does it mean anything that I'm somebody's godfather because I 171 00:10:08,730 --> 00:10:11,010 Speaker 6: said so or somebody said so, or we did something 172 00:10:11,130 --> 00:10:14,890 Speaker 6: a long time ago. It can mean nothing or it 173 00:10:14,890 --> 00:10:18,410 Speaker 6: can mean something. You know, Godfather's a big fucking deal 174 00:10:18,490 --> 00:10:21,770 Speaker 6: if you think about it. It has this spiritual implication 175 00:10:21,890 --> 00:10:24,930 Speaker 6: God right, it's not toilet father. 176 00:10:31,970 --> 00:10:34,690 Speaker 1: And so, with my encouragement, Tony picked up the phone 177 00:10:34,850 --> 00:10:37,530 Speaker 1: and reached out to Paul, which brings us back to 178 00:10:37,570 --> 00:10:41,290 Speaker 1: the phone call you heard earlier on Saturday. Yeah, I 179 00:10:41,290 --> 00:10:43,010 Speaker 1: think that's that'll be easiest. 180 00:10:43,250 --> 00:10:45,850 Speaker 5: Okay, are you are you up to this? You don't 181 00:10:45,850 --> 00:10:47,330 Speaker 5: feel like I don't want to impose on. 182 00:10:47,290 --> 00:10:49,810 Speaker 4: You like and you said, you know you feel bad. 183 00:10:49,890 --> 00:10:53,330 Speaker 4: I don't think you should. There's nothing to feel bad about. 184 00:10:55,210 --> 00:10:57,730 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but yeah, give me a call the weekend 185 00:10:57,770 --> 00:11:00,809 Speaker 5: and we'll try to figure something out. Okay, great, and 186 00:11:00,890 --> 00:11:04,970 Speaker 5: I'll call you perfect. Right, sounds good. 187 00:11:09,170 --> 00:11:12,850 Speaker 1: On Saturday, Tony called with no response. He reached out 188 00:11:12,850 --> 00:11:18,450 Speaker 1: again and again. Eventually he gave up. Tony and Paul 189 00:11:18,770 --> 00:11:25,970 Speaker 1: never got together. Tony and I reconvened, and I tried 190 00:11:26,010 --> 00:11:29,610 Speaker 1: to bolster his spirits. Maybe things would go better with godchild. 191 00:11:29,650 --> 00:11:31,090 Speaker 1: The second Zoe. 192 00:11:31,930 --> 00:11:35,570 Speaker 6: She is the daughter of a rehab buddy who was 193 00:11:35,610 --> 00:11:37,810 Speaker 6: actually also a drug dealer here in Montreal when I 194 00:11:37,890 --> 00:11:42,570 Speaker 6: was dealing in Montreal, and we met in rehab in Ottawa, 195 00:11:43,210 --> 00:11:46,850 Speaker 6: and he asked me, do you want to be her godfather? 196 00:11:46,930 --> 00:11:49,330 Speaker 6: I said sure, I said you guys in baptizer. I said, no, 197 00:11:49,450 --> 00:11:53,330 Speaker 6: be her godfather? Okay, great, And so it was just 198 00:11:53,490 --> 00:11:58,090 Speaker 6: like that. That was easy, yeah, but it was meaningful. 199 00:11:58,970 --> 00:12:00,929 Speaker 6: I was happy to do whatever was going to be 200 00:12:00,970 --> 00:12:04,250 Speaker 6: required of me. And I did see the kid, you know, 201 00:12:04,290 --> 00:12:09,010 Speaker 6: when she was young, and then I moved to Montreal, 202 00:12:09,770 --> 00:12:11,850 Speaker 6: and so she basically grew up without me. 203 00:12:12,690 --> 00:12:15,890 Speaker 1: In the intervening years, Tony's only seen Zoe a couple times. 204 00:12:16,490 --> 00:12:18,810 Speaker 1: When she comes to town. She doesn't bother looking him 205 00:12:18,890 --> 00:12:19,970 Speaker 1: up because. 206 00:12:19,770 --> 00:12:22,210 Speaker 6: I remember how I used to see people that were like, 207 00:12:22,650 --> 00:12:27,730 Speaker 6: never mind forties, Yeah, like people in their thirties were crusty, 208 00:12:28,730 --> 00:12:32,810 Speaker 6: you know, a yellow Tony ailed, you know, old people. 209 00:12:32,850 --> 00:12:35,730 Speaker 6: And occasionally, you know, I get like she likes something 210 00:12:35,730 --> 00:12:41,850 Speaker 6: on my Facebook page and I'll be like, ooh. 211 00:12:39,570 --> 00:12:42,330 Speaker 1: But Tony wants more than that. Since Zoe still lives 212 00:12:42,370 --> 00:12:45,210 Speaker 1: in Ottawa, just a two hour drive away, I suggest 213 00:12:45,290 --> 00:12:48,290 Speaker 1: to go visit her. Maybe it isn't too late. But 214 00:12:48,370 --> 00:12:51,330 Speaker 1: after his failed attempt with Paul, he isn't sure she'll 215 00:12:51,370 --> 00:12:53,730 Speaker 1: even want to see him, so I offered a road 216 00:12:53,730 --> 00:12:56,090 Speaker 1: trip down with him for emotional support. 217 00:12:57,410 --> 00:12:58,650 Speaker 4: My god, O late. 218 00:12:59,130 --> 00:13:01,010 Speaker 1: You know, the whole purpose of this thing is for 219 00:13:01,090 --> 00:13:02,930 Speaker 1: you not to be a dead meat god Dad. 220 00:13:03,210 --> 00:13:04,970 Speaker 4: I know. I feel really bad. It's my fault. 221 00:13:05,450 --> 00:13:08,090 Speaker 1: It's Zoe's last week of high school and Tony's arranged 222 00:13:08,090 --> 00:13:10,250 Speaker 1: to pick her up after her day of finals. 223 00:13:10,770 --> 00:13:13,250 Speaker 6: You don't mind driving a little faster to you don't 224 00:13:13,330 --> 00:13:14,929 Speaker 6: go like snail past grandma style. 225 00:13:15,370 --> 00:13:16,850 Speaker 1: That's my style. No grandma style. 226 00:13:16,890 --> 00:13:17,410 Speaker 4: Don't do that. 227 00:13:18,250 --> 00:13:20,690 Speaker 1: When we get to the school, Zoe's waiting outside. 228 00:13:21,170 --> 00:13:23,890 Speaker 4: All right, here we go. You're feeling good. I'm feeling good. 229 00:13:25,290 --> 00:13:26,290 Speaker 4: There we get here we go? 230 00:13:27,290 --> 00:13:27,930 Speaker 5: Here were god? 231 00:13:29,130 --> 00:13:31,010 Speaker 7: Hello? Hello? 232 00:13:31,410 --> 00:13:34,450 Speaker 1: Zoe is eighteen. She's wearing a Yin and Yang choker 233 00:13:34,530 --> 00:13:37,050 Speaker 1: around her neck and a pink scrunchy in her hair. 234 00:13:37,770 --> 00:13:38,490 Speaker 4: So how's everything? 235 00:13:38,530 --> 00:13:40,010 Speaker 6: How are you really good? 236 00:13:40,570 --> 00:13:41,250 Speaker 4: Almost done? 237 00:13:41,810 --> 00:13:42,370 Speaker 1: High school? 238 00:13:43,130 --> 00:13:44,090 Speaker 8: The final frontier? 239 00:13:45,130 --> 00:13:46,810 Speaker 4: So go to the park. 240 00:13:50,810 --> 00:13:55,770 Speaker 1: Would you like some candy? Tom Zooe. As Tony's emotional 241 00:13:55,810 --> 00:13:59,170 Speaker 1: support system, I thought it might be helpful to bring refreshments. 242 00:13:59,690 --> 00:14:09,090 Speaker 1: We drive along, chewing in silence, and then Tony decides 243 00:14:09,170 --> 00:14:10,130 Speaker 1: it's to break the ice. 244 00:14:10,610 --> 00:14:12,490 Speaker 4: I have a really disgusting story to tell you. 245 00:14:14,970 --> 00:14:16,690 Speaker 8: Well, can you contextualize what discussions? 246 00:14:16,730 --> 00:14:18,890 Speaker 6: Oh my god, I'm only thinking about it because it 247 00:14:18,930 --> 00:14:19,850 Speaker 6: happened right around here. 248 00:14:20,010 --> 00:14:21,610 Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't like where this is going. 249 00:14:23,250 --> 00:14:26,610 Speaker 6: A friend of mine has been collecting his vomit for 250 00:14:26,650 --> 00:14:29,810 Speaker 6: the past twenty years in a gigantic tin like a 251 00:14:29,890 --> 00:14:31,810 Speaker 6: gigantic metal drama in the basement. 252 00:14:32,650 --> 00:14:39,130 Speaker 1: Oh my god, what heck? I wasn't expecting that either. 253 00:14:40,930 --> 00:14:41,890 Speaker 2: That's so terrible. 254 00:14:41,890 --> 00:14:42,410 Speaker 4: Why would you? 255 00:14:42,490 --> 00:14:46,250 Speaker 8: Why would you bring something like that up right now? 256 00:14:46,930 --> 00:14:50,090 Speaker 1: So like, how did you find out about that? So 257 00:14:50,170 --> 00:14:54,770 Speaker 1: many questions and fun fact, the Vomit House is on 258 00:14:54,930 --> 00:14:58,610 Speaker 1: Ralph Street. Google map it. It's right there next to 259 00:14:58,650 --> 00:15:01,210 Speaker 1: Brown's inlet the park we're on our way to. 260 00:15:10,970 --> 00:15:13,810 Speaker 8: I've only been to this park once before, and that 261 00:15:13,930 --> 00:15:18,250 Speaker 8: was a weird day. I started dating this guy and 262 00:15:18,930 --> 00:15:20,810 Speaker 8: like the first time we ever hung out outside of 263 00:15:20,810 --> 00:15:23,530 Speaker 8: school was in this park. We were on those swings 264 00:15:23,610 --> 00:15:26,250 Speaker 8: and I just remember being like, wow, this is really weird, 265 00:15:26,330 --> 00:15:27,730 Speaker 8: like this is a date. 266 00:15:28,410 --> 00:15:31,170 Speaker 1: So I guess that was like my first date. We 267 00:15:31,250 --> 00:15:34,050 Speaker 1: find a picnic table beside the playground where young mothers 268 00:15:34,090 --> 00:15:36,890 Speaker 1: are playing with their babies. Tony and Zoe sit side 269 00:15:36,890 --> 00:15:40,090 Speaker 1: by side, she fiddling with a strand of hair and 270 00:15:40,130 --> 00:15:43,250 Speaker 1: he's staring at the table, sweeping pebbles of sand back 271 00:15:43,290 --> 00:15:46,370 Speaker 1: and forth. The two of them catch up. It turns 272 00:15:46,410 --> 00:15:50,330 Speaker 1: out Zoe's taking improv classes and Tony's taken improv classes too, 273 00:15:50,850 --> 00:15:51,370 Speaker 1: back and forth. 274 00:15:51,570 --> 00:15:53,450 Speaker 4: I'd love to see that. I'd love to see that. 275 00:15:53,570 --> 00:15:55,850 Speaker 2: You'd like my troop. I think you'd like those guys 276 00:15:55,850 --> 00:15:56,130 Speaker 2: a lot. 277 00:15:56,810 --> 00:15:59,410 Speaker 1: Being both a friend who wants to encourage bonding as 278 00:15:59,450 --> 00:16:02,090 Speaker 1: well as a lover of show business. I ask if 279 00:16:02,090 --> 00:16:03,690 Speaker 1: they might improvise a scene or two. 280 00:16:05,450 --> 00:16:06,610 Speaker 4: This is my favorite bench. 281 00:16:07,530 --> 00:16:09,730 Speaker 8: It's funny because it's also my favor revenge, and I've 282 00:16:09,770 --> 00:16:11,210 Speaker 8: actually never seen you sitting here. 283 00:16:11,290 --> 00:16:13,890 Speaker 1: But instead of the comedic romp I'd hoped for, I 284 00:16:13,930 --> 00:16:17,410 Speaker 1: get a sluggish five minute piece of Samuel Bickhetti in theater. 285 00:16:17,770 --> 00:16:20,210 Speaker 8: So I guess what I'm saying is you'll either have 286 00:16:20,290 --> 00:16:22,970 Speaker 8: to move to the bench that's beside mine or beside his. 287 00:16:23,970 --> 00:16:27,290 Speaker 1: And scene I thought, like, I'm probably was supposed to 288 00:16:27,330 --> 00:16:28,650 Speaker 1: be like funny well, because he. 289 00:16:28,650 --> 00:16:29,410 Speaker 4: Usually his energy. 290 00:16:29,450 --> 00:16:31,690 Speaker 6: And you're on stage and you're like, you're doing stupid 291 00:16:31,730 --> 00:16:34,330 Speaker 6: shit and people are laughing, You're not laughing, and. 292 00:16:34,490 --> 00:16:38,170 Speaker 1: In my heart it feels like Christmas morning on Ralph Street. 293 00:16:38,410 --> 00:16:40,850 Speaker 1: As Tony and Zoe begin to bond. 294 00:16:41,050 --> 00:16:46,170 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm playing. 295 00:16:45,450 --> 00:16:57,010 Speaker 1: They're having fun, but Tony's still thinking about godfatherhood. Tentatively, 296 00:16:57,450 --> 00:16:58,250 Speaker 1: he brings it up. 297 00:16:58,850 --> 00:17:00,770 Speaker 4: I the godfather. 298 00:17:01,330 --> 00:17:05,770 Speaker 6: Traditionally, that's well, godfather's supposed to to write spiritual instruction. 299 00:17:06,450 --> 00:17:12,050 Speaker 6: And I wasn't there when you were really young, when 300 00:17:12,050 --> 00:17:14,409 Speaker 6: you were told when you were young, this is Tony, 301 00:17:14,449 --> 00:17:15,170 Speaker 6: He's your godfather. 302 00:17:15,770 --> 00:17:16,609 Speaker 4: Do you remember that. 303 00:17:19,090 --> 00:17:20,290 Speaker 6: I always knew that you would. 304 00:17:20,449 --> 00:17:22,090 Speaker 8: You had this like connection to my parents that was 305 00:17:22,129 --> 00:17:24,850 Speaker 8: really valuable, So by extensionally you'd be valuable to me 306 00:17:25,290 --> 00:17:26,530 Speaker 8: even though I didn't know you that. 307 00:17:26,530 --> 00:17:29,730 Speaker 4: Well, Yeah, what do you What can I offer you 308 00:17:29,889 --> 00:17:32,410 Speaker 4: at this point? From this point onward in. 309 00:17:32,369 --> 00:17:36,689 Speaker 8: A formal fashion, I don't know what you hope for 310 00:17:36,810 --> 00:17:38,969 Speaker 8: me to provide for you is like to provide for me? 311 00:17:39,129 --> 00:17:41,409 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I mean it's a two way street. I 312 00:17:41,449 --> 00:17:43,290 Speaker 1: mean I can't just like take so much and not 313 00:17:43,409 --> 00:17:44,129 Speaker 1: give anything to you. 314 00:17:44,169 --> 00:17:48,369 Speaker 6: So that's the point. The point you don't you know, 315 00:17:48,449 --> 00:17:49,729 Speaker 6: that's the point is that I'm here for you. 316 00:17:53,889 --> 00:17:57,129 Speaker 1: That is the point with a God child, not so 317 00:17:57,250 --> 00:18:00,330 Speaker 1: much with a God adult. The children's book is called 318 00:18:00,409 --> 00:18:04,529 Speaker 1: The Giving Tree, not the Giving and Taking Tree. Children 319 00:18:04,570 --> 00:18:07,369 Speaker 1: aren't self conscious. They don't find it weird to take 320 00:18:07,449 --> 00:18:11,929 Speaker 1: without giving anything in return, but adults do. I'm begetting 321 00:18:11,970 --> 00:18:14,810 Speaker 1: to feel like pushing Tony to reconnect with his godchildren 322 00:18:15,090 --> 00:18:18,770 Speaker 1: might have been Foolhardy. Tony can't just insert himself into 323 00:18:18,810 --> 00:18:21,569 Speaker 1: a past he missed out on. And as for the future, 324 00:18:22,250 --> 00:18:25,170 Speaker 1: Zoe's getting ready to go off to college. She's at 325 00:18:25,169 --> 00:18:27,729 Speaker 1: the point in life when actual parents see less and 326 00:18:27,810 --> 00:18:30,730 Speaker 1: less of their kids, never mind godparents. 327 00:18:31,649 --> 00:18:32,929 Speaker 4: She was a little bit country and he was a 328 00:18:32,970 --> 00:18:33,729 Speaker 4: little bit rock and roll. 329 00:18:33,810 --> 00:18:37,689 Speaker 6: That was a song, I'm a little bit country reverse, 330 00:18:37,850 --> 00:18:38,490 Speaker 6: I'm a little bit. 331 00:18:39,810 --> 00:18:42,770 Speaker 1: As Tony sings both parts of Adannie and Marie Duet, 332 00:18:43,209 --> 00:18:45,689 Speaker 1: Zoe watches him with a big smile on her face. 333 00:18:46,209 --> 00:18:49,050 Speaker 1: It's clear they really enjoy each other and the afternoon 334 00:18:49,090 --> 00:18:52,249 Speaker 1: goes well. But as far as the god parental relationship 335 00:18:52,290 --> 00:18:55,090 Speaker 1: Tony wants, it feels like it just might be too late. 336 00:18:57,169 --> 00:18:58,090 Speaker 4: I'm really impressed. 337 00:18:58,889 --> 00:19:03,010 Speaker 6: I think you've got a pretty fucking firm all on things. Well. 338 00:19:03,050 --> 00:19:06,289 Speaker 8: I mean, if you're ever in dire need for like 339 00:19:06,290 --> 00:19:09,609 Speaker 8: a caregiver when you're old and can't go the bathroom 340 00:19:09,730 --> 00:19:10,450 Speaker 8: or something. 341 00:19:10,209 --> 00:19:17,850 Speaker 1: Like, I could help you. Only one godchild to go, 342 00:19:18,209 --> 00:19:21,409 Speaker 1: Will Tony be a godfather or a toilet father? Is 343 00:19:21,409 --> 00:19:23,970 Speaker 1: the cat still in the cradle? And if so, will 344 00:19:23,970 --> 00:19:27,690 Speaker 1: he scratch Tony's eyes out when roused from his godfatherless slumber. 345 00:19:28,409 --> 00:19:32,490 Speaker 1: We'll find out after these important messages from our sponsors. 346 00:19:40,689 --> 00:19:44,689 Speaker 1: Tony's first godchild, Paul, didn't have the time for a relationship, 347 00:19:45,129 --> 00:19:48,649 Speaker 1: and his second godchild, Zoe, had outgrown the whole godfather 348 00:19:48,770 --> 00:19:52,850 Speaker 1: goddaughter thing that left him one last chance, nine year 349 00:19:52,889 --> 00:19:54,770 Speaker 1: old Nicholas godchild. 350 00:19:54,850 --> 00:19:58,810 Speaker 6: The third Nicholas godchild number three is Nicholas, the son 351 00:19:58,850 --> 00:19:59,810 Speaker 6: of my cousin. 352 00:20:00,409 --> 00:20:03,530 Speaker 1: This one is especially challenging for Tony because, unlike with 353 00:20:03,649 --> 00:20:06,729 Speaker 1: Paul and Zoe, Tony's not the only godparent in the picture. 354 00:20:07,490 --> 00:20:11,449 Speaker 1: Tony's ex wife, Natalie was and likable when they started dating. 355 00:20:11,570 --> 00:20:14,609 Speaker 1: She helped him reconnect with his family so much so, 356 00:20:14,929 --> 00:20:18,129 Speaker 1: though when Nicholas was born, his mom, a cousin Tony 357 00:20:18,169 --> 00:20:21,050 Speaker 1: wasn't even especially close to, asked them both to be 358 00:20:21,090 --> 00:20:25,129 Speaker 1: as godparents. Tony and Natalie were together at Nicholas's baptism. 359 00:20:25,530 --> 00:20:29,609 Speaker 6: I was holding him and he was really was he 360 00:20:29,649 --> 00:20:33,169 Speaker 6: was really upset until I took him, and he was 361 00:20:33,250 --> 00:20:36,370 Speaker 6: quiet the whole time, And everybody was kind of spooked 362 00:20:36,409 --> 00:20:37,690 Speaker 6: by the fact that he was suddenly so. 363 00:20:37,730 --> 00:20:41,569 Speaker 4: Quiet mm hm when I was holding him. So there 364 00:20:41,609 --> 00:20:43,050 Speaker 4: was this whole kind of energy. 365 00:20:42,730 --> 00:20:46,490 Speaker 6: Around, like, oh, why is this power Tony has over Nicholas, 366 00:20:46,530 --> 00:20:49,570 Speaker 6: or why is he so quiet? And everybody seemed to 367 00:20:49,570 --> 00:20:51,729 Speaker 6: make a kind of a strange impression on people, And 368 00:20:51,770 --> 00:20:54,850 Speaker 6: it felt good to sort of be I guess for whatever. 369 00:20:54,570 --> 00:20:55,649 Speaker 4: Reason that nothing to do with me. 370 00:20:57,090 --> 00:21:03,810 Speaker 6: Somehow this kid felt soothed or calm by me, and 371 00:21:04,810 --> 00:21:06,729 Speaker 6: we baptized the kid. We had a big party, and 372 00:21:06,770 --> 00:21:10,010 Speaker 6: then we started. We were there every year, like thirty 373 00:21:10,010 --> 00:21:13,449 Speaker 6: four times a year, which is pretty good. But it 374 00:21:13,490 --> 00:21:17,530 Speaker 6: was all good, But it was all about being with Natalie. 375 00:21:19,970 --> 00:21:22,530 Speaker 1: Natalie was the initiator. She's the one who planned the 376 00:21:22,530 --> 00:21:25,489 Speaker 1: Godparents stuff, like trips with Nicholas to the movies in 377 00:21:25,530 --> 00:21:28,969 Speaker 1: the museum. Nicholas loved Natalie and related to her and 378 00:21:29,010 --> 00:21:31,810 Speaker 1: Tony as a unit. So when that unit split up, 379 00:21:32,090 --> 00:21:35,169 Speaker 1: Tony couldn't bring himself to keep visiting Nicholas and his mom. 380 00:21:35,570 --> 00:21:37,930 Speaker 1: It reminded him too much of Natalie. 381 00:21:38,609 --> 00:21:41,929 Speaker 6: I didn't feel like seeing them. I didn't feel like 382 00:21:41,970 --> 00:21:44,449 Speaker 6: going to her house because I always went there with Natalie. 383 00:21:46,409 --> 00:21:50,129 Speaker 1: But Nicholas's mother continued to reach out. Nicholas really misses you, 384 00:21:50,250 --> 00:21:53,810 Speaker 1: she'd write. Eventually, she suggested they all get together on 385 00:21:53,889 --> 00:21:56,409 Speaker 1: neutral ground, her sister's house. 386 00:21:56,810 --> 00:21:57,730 Speaker 4: So we did. 387 00:21:58,889 --> 00:22:00,850 Speaker 6: We set up a surprise dinner, which was about two 388 00:22:00,889 --> 00:22:07,570 Speaker 6: months ago, and I went over and they were really 389 00:22:07,570 --> 00:22:10,289 Speaker 6: happy to see me. But at the same time, I 390 00:22:10,369 --> 00:22:13,609 Speaker 6: noticed Nicholas's first reaction. He was, he was, he was 391 00:22:13,889 --> 00:22:17,889 Speaker 6: kind of shocked, and I could see that all this 392 00:22:17,929 --> 00:22:19,769 Speaker 6: stuff went through his eyes, and then he put on 393 00:22:19,850 --> 00:22:21,530 Speaker 6: this kind of smiley, happy guy thing. 394 00:22:22,570 --> 00:22:24,449 Speaker 4: I could read it all in his face right away. 395 00:22:25,570 --> 00:22:28,010 Speaker 1: And you think that was because Natalie wasn't there. 396 00:22:28,730 --> 00:22:29,929 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. 397 00:22:30,889 --> 00:22:33,609 Speaker 1: Tony's afraid that Nicholas won't want a relationship with him 398 00:22:33,649 --> 00:22:36,570 Speaker 1: that doesn't include Natalie, Afraid that maybe he's not the 399 00:22:36,609 --> 00:22:39,609 Speaker 1: godparent that Nicholas wants. But he also doesn't want to 400 00:22:39,609 --> 00:22:42,690 Speaker 1: repeat the same mistakes, so he screws up his courage 401 00:22:42,810 --> 00:22:45,810 Speaker 1: and goes back over for dinner, hoping he and Nicholas 402 00:22:45,810 --> 00:22:51,129 Speaker 1: can connect again. But before Tony gets a chance to 403 00:22:51,169 --> 00:22:54,489 Speaker 1: sit down, the very first words out of Nicholas's mouth. 404 00:22:58,409 --> 00:23:03,250 Speaker 4: Naldie, She's She's okay. 405 00:23:03,369 --> 00:23:05,490 Speaker 9: If he just couldn't get back with her, that would 406 00:23:05,530 --> 00:23:06,090 Speaker 9: be relief. 407 00:23:08,010 --> 00:23:09,250 Speaker 4: Why would that be a relief. 408 00:23:10,290 --> 00:23:12,209 Speaker 9: I want to see her again. I never get to 409 00:23:12,209 --> 00:23:12,609 Speaker 9: see her. 410 00:23:12,889 --> 00:23:16,369 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. 411 00:23:18,649 --> 00:23:21,649 Speaker 9: I only see you, and. 412 00:23:21,530 --> 00:23:28,369 Speaker 6: That's not enough. You will see her again. Then she says, hi, 413 00:23:28,889 --> 00:23:31,730 Speaker 6: because she's in Australia. Actually she's in New Zealand. 414 00:23:32,929 --> 00:23:34,649 Speaker 9: You don't want to be in the place as she is. 415 00:23:34,770 --> 00:23:36,449 Speaker 3: Right, Well, I don't want. 416 00:23:36,330 --> 00:23:37,810 Speaker 6: To be in New Zealand because it's far away from 417 00:23:37,810 --> 00:23:38,609 Speaker 6: everything that I do. 418 00:23:39,530 --> 00:23:40,410 Speaker 4: My mother is here. 419 00:23:40,449 --> 00:23:42,690 Speaker 6: My mother's an old lady, she's eighty five years old 420 00:23:42,730 --> 00:23:45,969 Speaker 6: and she needs me. She can't live alone, so I 421 00:23:45,970 --> 00:23:50,289 Speaker 6: can't go anywhere. So it's finally he doesn't want to 422 00:23:50,290 --> 00:23:50,729 Speaker 6: be here. 423 00:23:51,530 --> 00:23:56,369 Speaker 3: It's over for Yeah, it's over for y out sausage. 424 00:23:59,490 --> 00:24:05,129 Speaker 6: It looks like that, but you never know. I'm not 425 00:24:05,209 --> 00:24:06,369 Speaker 6: in love with anybody else. 426 00:24:07,929 --> 00:24:10,249 Speaker 1: They sit down on the cow and Tony faces the 427 00:24:10,290 --> 00:24:13,530 Speaker 1: thing that's hardest for him to talk about, even with adults, 428 00:24:14,050 --> 00:24:14,929 Speaker 1: let alone a child. 429 00:24:15,609 --> 00:24:16,969 Speaker 4: So are you going to be sad if if you 430 00:24:16,970 --> 00:24:20,570 Speaker 4: don't see her again? A bit? I can't? 431 00:24:20,609 --> 00:24:21,409 Speaker 3: Just kidding a lot? 432 00:24:25,770 --> 00:24:28,489 Speaker 4: Is there anything that you want to ask me or 433 00:24:28,490 --> 00:24:29,569 Speaker 4: about not leave or anything? 434 00:24:30,290 --> 00:24:30,690 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 435 00:24:32,689 --> 00:24:35,129 Speaker 3: Did a part of did you feel like a part 436 00:24:35,169 --> 00:24:38,970 Speaker 3: of your heart broke up to pieces? 437 00:24:39,970 --> 00:24:47,850 Speaker 4: Yeah? He did, yeah, very much? A lot. 438 00:24:48,770 --> 00:24:49,850 Speaker 3: Do you miss her a lot? 439 00:24:50,609 --> 00:24:52,290 Speaker 4: Yeah? I do? 440 00:24:53,250 --> 00:24:58,530 Speaker 3: Well, you should have you should have said this, come 441 00:24:58,570 --> 00:25:02,609 Speaker 3: back whenever you come. You could come back whenever you want, 442 00:25:03,250 --> 00:25:08,209 Speaker 3: or just say or just say sorry or something. 443 00:25:09,169 --> 00:25:15,249 Speaker 7: Yeah I did, Okay, I said sorry, and so did she? 444 00:25:16,129 --> 00:25:18,410 Speaker 7: She had things to be sorry about too, And then 445 00:25:18,649 --> 00:25:20,409 Speaker 7: I said come back for a long time. I said, 446 00:25:20,449 --> 00:25:26,530 Speaker 7: come back whenever you want. And I think I think 447 00:25:26,570 --> 00:25:30,490 Speaker 7: she's decided not to. I think she's decided. 448 00:25:31,369 --> 00:25:34,449 Speaker 3: Maybe it's because Post Canada takes a long time to 449 00:25:34,570 --> 00:25:36,570 Speaker 3: get a note, really long. 450 00:25:36,810 --> 00:25:38,330 Speaker 4: No, but I read her on the internet. 451 00:25:39,409 --> 00:25:42,530 Speaker 3: Oh Internet, Oh that makes more sense, I thought, you 452 00:25:43,010 --> 00:25:44,290 Speaker 3: Brian from Postcarada. 453 00:25:46,290 --> 00:25:49,409 Speaker 1: Tony's putting away his own feelings and focusing on Nicholas's, 454 00:25:50,010 --> 00:25:53,530 Speaker 1: which is a very godfatherly thing to do. And Nicholas, 455 00:25:53,530 --> 00:25:56,090 Speaker 1: for his part, seems to be straining on his emotional 456 00:25:56,169 --> 00:26:00,090 Speaker 1: tiptoes to try to reach Tony, and together they meet 457 00:26:00,090 --> 00:26:00,889 Speaker 1: somewhere in the middle. 458 00:26:02,369 --> 00:26:05,490 Speaker 6: Do you remember when I, you know, I baptized you right, yeah, 459 00:26:06,369 --> 00:26:08,009 Speaker 6: and you were crying, you were really upset. 460 00:26:08,490 --> 00:26:09,490 Speaker 4: I had to pick you up. 461 00:26:09,609 --> 00:26:13,369 Speaker 6: When I picked you up, if you went totally quiet, 462 00:26:14,250 --> 00:26:18,769 Speaker 6: and everybody was like, he's so quiet, and and everybody 463 00:26:18,850 --> 00:26:22,729 Speaker 6: said you you made him calm, And I thought that's cool. 464 00:26:22,850 --> 00:26:26,090 Speaker 6: Maybe that's what godfathers are supposed to do. They're supposed 465 00:26:26,129 --> 00:26:30,010 Speaker 6: to make people calm and be like everything's okay, don't 466 00:26:30,050 --> 00:26:36,489 Speaker 6: worry about it, you know, but let me ask you something, Yeah, 467 00:26:37,129 --> 00:26:38,889 Speaker 6: what kind of godfather do you want me to be? 468 00:26:40,649 --> 00:26:42,570 Speaker 3: I wanted you to be the same thing as you 469 00:26:42,609 --> 00:26:47,729 Speaker 3: are right now, which is what You're a really good godfather. 470 00:26:48,369 --> 00:26:54,609 Speaker 4: I am. You're pretty good, thanks man. I appreciate that. 471 00:26:54,609 --> 00:26:55,410 Speaker 4: That's very nice. 472 00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:57,490 Speaker 3: You're really good. 473 00:26:57,889 --> 00:27:03,290 Speaker 7: Good your godfather you that's awesome, cool man. 474 00:27:11,209 --> 00:27:15,330 Speaker 1: And with that, Tony was a godfather, because when your 475 00:27:15,330 --> 00:27:30,170 Speaker 1: godchild tells you you're a godfather, you're a godfather. When 476 00:27:30,209 --> 00:27:32,249 Speaker 1: I talked to Tony a couple of weeks later, he 477 00:27:32,290 --> 00:27:35,490 Speaker 1: had already seen Nicholas again. They went to visit Tony's mom. 478 00:27:36,010 --> 00:27:38,729 Speaker 1: He says she liked having a kid around to wait on, 479 00:27:39,330 --> 00:27:43,810 Speaker 1: to serve spin a coopita. 480 00:27:44,490 --> 00:27:45,369 Speaker 4: She's laughing in her heart. 481 00:27:47,330 --> 00:27:49,290 Speaker 9: This is the best day that I ever had. 482 00:27:52,290 --> 00:28:03,970 Speaker 4: And it's only just begun. 483 00:28:20,649 --> 00:28:30,410 Speaker 6: Now that the furnitures return to its goodwill home, now that. 484 00:28:30,530 --> 00:28:35,129 Speaker 7: The last month's rent is skeeding with the damage. To 485 00:28:36,209 --> 00:28:38,489 Speaker 7: take this moment to the sew. 486 00:28:40,850 --> 00:28:42,330 Speaker 4: If we meant it, if. 487 00:28:42,130 --> 00:28:47,370 Speaker 7: We tried, we felt around for far too. 488 00:28:49,690 --> 00:28:57,650 Speaker 1: From things that accidentally. Heavyweight is hosted and produced by 489 00:28:57,650 --> 00:29:00,890 Speaker 1: me Jonathan Goldstein, along with Chris Neary and Khalila Holt. 490 00:29:01,050 --> 00:29:04,930 Speaker 1: The senior producer is Wendy Dore, Editing by Alex Bloomberg 491 00:29:05,010 --> 00:29:08,450 Speaker 1: and Jorge Just special thanks to Emily Condon, Anna as 492 00:29:08,450 --> 00:29:12,770 Speaker 1: a Macappola, and my delightful pal Jackie Cohen. The show 493 00:29:12,850 --> 00:29:16,690 Speaker 1: was mixed by Hailey Shaw, music by Christine Fellows. Additional 494 00:29:16,770 --> 00:29:19,049 Speaker 1: music credits for this episode can be found on our 495 00:29:19,090 --> 00:29:23,489 Speaker 1: website Gimbletmedia dot com slash Heavyweight. Our theme song is 496 00:29:23,490 --> 00:29:26,650 Speaker 1: by the Weaker Than's courtesy of Epitaph Records, and their 497 00:29:26,730 --> 00:29:29,890 Speaker 1: ad music is by Hailey Shaw. 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