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Speaker 2: Last day in Arizona, Kip's dancing, Kratz is dancing.

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Speaker 2: Senior insider Ken Rosenthal with us right now. Can I

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Speaker 2: want to start with your article on Connor Griffin the

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Speaker 2: super prospect, the top prospect in baseball, and we can

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Speaker 2: to go the spicy route. You mentioned how the Pirates

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Speaker 5: Yes, And I actually wouldn't say the Pirates mishandled the

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Speaker 5: As Ben Sherington, their general manager, told me, two different players,

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Speaker 5: So if the Pirates truly believe they have a unicorn here,

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Speaker 3: I do want to get ahead of myself and I

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Speaker 3: what is Ben Charrington saying the organization he's just young. Well,

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Speaker 5: The concern is that he is nineteen turning twenty. I

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Speaker 5: to be. Eric It's a legitimate concern. Kids nineteen years old.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of crazy if you think about it. But

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Speaker 5: this player from teammates and opponents alike, not only is

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Speaker 5: Seems like the kind of kid who can withstand whatever's

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Speaker 2: And Ken, that's where I want to finish on this topic.

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Speaker 2: When you say he's got a good head on his shoulders,

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Speaker 2: for ben Cherrington. So percentage chance in your mind that

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Speaker 1: So what do you think, Scott, I'm with you.

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Speaker 5: Percentage chance would be hard to assess. I would say

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Speaker 5: It's not coming with any knowledge of what they're thinking.

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Speaker 5: You're doing that, you're trying to win. In the past,

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Speaker 5: And the worst case scenario is just what you mentioned, Scott.

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Speaker 5: You send them back to the miners and at some

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Speaker 5: Jason I found it really interesting talking to him. He

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Speaker 5: I would imagine he's open to it. Actually didn't bring

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Speaker 3: Through the conversation that you had with him. Did he

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Speaker 6: It that way, okay.

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Speaker 5: And the incident with I hate this place, that was

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Speaker 4: What's what's going on over there? What can you tell

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Speaker 5: Jason, there's a lot of excitement here, and I know

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Speaker 4: But your next words wisely can choose your next words wisely.

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Speaker 5: Maybe not the struggles. So they feel really good about

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Speaker 3: Can you saved yourself. I was gonna say, you need

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Speaker 5: They do, and it would come from within. They feel

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Speaker 5: But I can see Eric at the deadline just kind

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Speaker 5: But in my view, they still need some kind of

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Speaker 2: Ken enjoy your Florida camp tour. We will hear from

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Speaker 5: Sounds great, Thanks guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what he said.

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Speaker 1: That's what he said.

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Speaker 3: That's what he said.

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Speaker 1: That's what he said.

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Speaker 2: We've got some good ones today, Yeah, a number of

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Speaker 2: That's what he said. Clips that we're going to throw

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Speaker 1: So let's art with Joe Musgrove.

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Speaker 2: We can't get to every camp in Arizona, so Friar

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Speaker 1: Here's what he said.

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Speaker 5: Did you try to put more pressure on yourself to

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Speaker 7: You know, I'm in a good spot.

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Speaker 6: You know, stuff's coming out and my bullpens were good,

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Speaker 3: eighty percent of Joe Musgrove might have been enough for

436
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Speaker 3: the Padres to say, Okay, we don't have a better option,

437
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,359
Speaker 3: but in his mind he wasn't probably even at that point.

438
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Speaker 3: So I love the honesty.

439
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Speaker 1: Yeah, We've got a lot more of that.

440
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Speaker 2: And you know, somebody in a somewhat similar spot here

441
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Speaker 2: in Brandon Woodriff, who was on Brewer Territory. We didn't

442
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Speaker 2: get to Big Wu. We got too many others over

443
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Speaker 2: at Brewer's camp. But Big Wu is also trying to

444
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Speaker 2: put together a full, healthy season, and again, this is

445
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Speaker 2: another team that's going to be like, hey, dude, I

446
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,359
Speaker 2: know you've missed a lot of time in the past,

447
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,200
Speaker 2: but when you were pitching last year, you looked really

448
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 2: damn good. And then of course we got to the

449
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Speaker 2: playoffs and you know, he couldn't be a part of

450
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Speaker 2: the mix. So Brewer Territory talked to Big Wu about

451
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 2: a big upcoming season this.

452
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Speaker 8: Year after trading Freddie, and I'm kind of, you know,

453
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,119
Speaker 8: the last one standing, and it's it's been it's been

454
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Speaker 8: a fun process for me, to be honest, and I've

455
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Speaker 8: never been a huge vocal guy, but I try to

456
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Speaker 8: lead by example and try to be the best and

457
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Speaker 8: most consistent, you know guy in terms of preparation and

458
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Speaker 8: and just you know, doing the things daily to get

459
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Speaker 8: my body ready to go, you know, play catch or

460
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Speaker 8: whatever it is, and try to and try to set

461
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Speaker 8: those standards in that way. But it's been fun to

462
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 8: talk to these guys and help them, and because I've

463
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Speaker 8: gone through the experiences now.

464
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Speaker 7: That you know Quinn and Chad.

465
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Speaker 8: You know Chad and Mis went through coming out of

466
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Speaker 8: the bullpen in the playoffs, pitching in big moments, pitching

467
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Speaker 8: in big spots and doing well and drawing from those experiences,

468
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Speaker 8: just like you know at eighteen, that was that was

469
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Speaker 8: that basically springboarded me into into where I'm at now

470
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Speaker 8: and the pitcher that I am. And so I try

471
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Speaker 8: to just I try to I try to not talk

472
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Speaker 8: about when I come back to the metrics, I try

473
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Speaker 8: not to talk about any of that stuff.

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Speaker 1: I try to just talk.

475
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Speaker 8: About more of the mental side of the game with

476
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Speaker 8: these guys and how to you know, go about pre

477
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Speaker 8: pitch routine or whatever it is, or type of situations

478
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Speaker 8: you get into them the field.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's the that's that's the role. One one.

480
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Speaker 3: They're paying him a lot of money in Brewers Land,

481
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Speaker 3: But that's the role that Big Wu. I even kind

482
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Speaker 3: of saw because I saw the maturation process in eighteen

483
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Speaker 3: from he had gotten a call up in seventeen. Then

484
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Speaker 3: he was kind of up and down in eighteen to

485
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Speaker 3: the point where he was coming out of the bullpen

486
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Speaker 3: and giving us a big innings. So I have a

487
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Speaker 3: hard time thinking while he was talking there, listening to

488
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Speaker 3: what he said about something Big Wu hasn't been through

489
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Speaker 3: in his career struggles getting sent down, moved to the bullpen,

490
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Speaker 3: having a massive role in the starting rotation, to being

491
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Speaker 3: a cy young type of pitcher, to injury to recovering.

492
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Speaker 3: So it's like he's just a great sounding board for

493
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Speaker 3: so many pictures in that organization.

494
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Speaker 2: See sir, all right, sir, We're going to get to

495
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Speaker 2: another picture while Ron Washington is getting set up out

496
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Speaker 2: there at Giants camp.

497
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Speaker 1: Jared Weaver, the former Angels starter on Halo territory.

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Speaker 9: You know, I came in young. I came in a

499
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Speaker 9: little you know, cocky. I started what nine and zero

500
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Speaker 9: or something to start my career. But those guys would

501
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Speaker 9: put me in my place when I wasn't doing something right.

502
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Speaker 9: You talk about, you know, going in the food line

503
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Speaker 9: too early, or getting in the training room too early

504
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Speaker 9: and not giving these these veteran guys that have been

505
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Speaker 9: around the time to get their bodies ready, because it,

506
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Speaker 9: you know, thirty eight years old, it might take you

507
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Speaker 9: a little longer than a twenty three year old to

508
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Speaker 9: get ready. So you gotta, you know, you gotta get

509
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Speaker 9: your ass out of the out of the training room

510
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Speaker 9: and and and get in there when you know no

511
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Speaker 9: one's in there.

512
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Speaker 7: But uh, you know, Lackeye took me under.

513
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Speaker 9: My wing and really grinding me on working hard the

514
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Speaker 9: conditioning side of things, the weight side of things, when

515
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Speaker 9: to kind of push it when it back off.

516
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Speaker 7: It's a long season, uh you know.

517
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Speaker 9: And I try to instill what kind of Lackey told

518
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Speaker 9: me and you guys coming up, and you know, I

519
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Speaker 9: might have some guys the wrong way, and and probably

520
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 9: didn't some guys probably didn't understand me. But if you did,

521
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Speaker 9: I would hope that you know, you kind of flourished

522
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Speaker 9: from it, and uh you know, and and you know,

523
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Speaker 9: I just love being in the clubhouse and competing and

524
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Speaker 9: being with you guys, and and uh you know, maybe

525
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Speaker 9: my mindset kind of got a little bit out of

526
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Speaker 9: control with trying to put you guys in the right direction.

527
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Speaker 9: But that was just the way my mentality was and

528
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 9: kind of learned from those guys and and uh, but yeah,

529
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Speaker 9: towards the end of my career, you know, with the

530
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Speaker 9: Padres there was it was not like that anymore, and

531
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Speaker 9: you know, I had to kind of back off and

532
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Speaker 9: and kind of cater to these guys, which was, you know,

533
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Speaker 9: it was hard for me to do. And uh, you know,

534
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Speaker 9: there wasn't any dinners going out, you know, with ten

535
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Speaker 9: to twelve guys or everybody was going to their hotel

536
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Speaker 9: rooms and playing video games and not hanging out in

537
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Speaker 9: the hotel bar to talk about the game afterwards or

538
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Speaker 9: you know, things like that.

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Speaker 7: So it was not only my career was dying.

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Speaker 9: But the passion for coming to the field every day

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Speaker 9: and then trying to work hard for those guys kind

542
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Speaker 9: of went out the window too. So it's a totally

543
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Speaker 9: different game.

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Speaker 3: It is a different game. And you hear this from

545
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Speaker 3: guys because their interaction or their experiences when they first

546
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Speaker 3: got called up. You heard about the dudes that were

547
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Speaker 3: given him a hard time. But he also looks at

548
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Speaker 3: it as teaching as he was being taught because he

549
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Speaker 3: was cocky. The biggest thing I always said towards the

550
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Speaker 3: end of my career, the players hadn't changed. When you're

551
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Speaker 3: twenty two years old and you get called up to

552
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Speaker 3: the big leagues, you think and you know that you

553
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 3: are the best, and you look at these guys and

554
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, this guy's thirty geez, what is he

555
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Speaker 3: He's a walking fossil. But the reality is you got

556
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Speaker 3: to be able to connect with all those guys because ultimately,

557
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Speaker 3: it doesn't matter if you're thirty eight or eighteen. When

558
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Speaker 3: you've come into a big league clubhouse, it's about trying

559
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 3: to win. And what Weave was saying was awesome because

560
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Speaker 3: he was being honest that maybe you know, there is

561
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Speaker 3: a lost sense of competing and wanting to be out

562
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Speaker 3: there to get better every single day, and it can

563
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Speaker 3: get lost when you're making fun of rookies, but it's

564
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Speaker 3: also to not put them in their place, but to

565
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Speaker 3: help them be the next steward of this game. And so, yeah,

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Speaker 3: we Weave is a guy. He is definitely a guy

567
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Speaker 3: for me.

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589
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Speaker 2: sounds like the padres are going to get sold really soon.

590
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Speaker 2: It could come in the next few weeks. It's kind

591
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592
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Speaker 2: the founder of Viewery I want to be in on

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Speaker 2: this regarding the process. Those two guys did not submit

596
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Speaker 2: a formal bid on their own. They're exploring potentially partnering

597
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Speaker 2: with one of the other groups. So apparently there are

598
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Speaker 2: five bidders that are involved, and first round of bids

599
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Speaker 2: we're due on Wednesday, Like this is happening fast, Kratz.

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Speaker 2: It's five bidders and then they hope to have this

601
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Speaker 2: finished up by opening day. And we see this process

602
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Speaker 2: often happen that way, so you kind of get it

603
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Speaker 2: out of the way so that you can then just

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Speaker 2: enjoy your last ride, and then the transition happens.

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Speaker 1: At some point during the season.

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Speaker 2: I think we saw this timing pretty similar with the

607
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Speaker 2: Orioles from what I remember.

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Speaker 1: When David Clara Getty that group.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty similar where they took over

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Speaker 2: around the start, like we got the news around the

611
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Speaker 2: start of the season and then they officially took over.

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Speaker 3: No, okay, I just thought there was semantics thought. I

613
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Speaker 3: thought there was like a game and then they like

614
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Speaker 3: we're in the bar buying drinks right around when it

615
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Speaker 3: happened around Camden Yards.

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Speaker 1: But whatever it was the official yeah yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, we're about to see a big change here

618
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Speaker 2: with the team when it depends who is going to

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Speaker 2: be running that team. Joe Lakobizibob. We talked about him earlier.

620
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Speaker 2: He owns the Warriors. He's done a pretty nice job there.

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Speaker 2: And then there's an English Soccer League team owner. I

622
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Speaker 2: think he owns Chelsea the football club, which is worth

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Speaker 2: a lot of money, many many billions, many more than

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Speaker 2: what the Padres are going to go for. Padres evaluation

625
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Speaker 2: from from some of the publications has them like in

626
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Speaker 2: the mid twos billion, but it sounds like they're asking

627
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Speaker 2: for three and I think they're going to get close

628
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Speaker 2: to that number because it's such a vibe out there.

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Speaker 1: Kratz.

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Speaker 2: I think there's still a lot of room for growth

631
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Speaker 2: and they dominate the city even if it's a smaller market.

632
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Speaker 2: I mean, they're selling that place out. It's like imagine

633
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Speaker 2: if you have a freaking concert tour and you're just

634
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Speaker 2: selling out a two nights in a row or eighty

635
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Speaker 2: one nights in a row.

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Speaker 1: I mean they're they're printing, they know what they're doing.

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00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: And yeah, did they jack up the payroll a little

638
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Speaker 2: bit and maybe pay or overpay for some guys perhaps,

639
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Speaker 2: but some of that's coming back down. I think this

640
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 2: is going to be a very profitable franchise.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they've they've created they've created an entertainment industry

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Speaker 3: right there at the stadium. Like I know a lot

643
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Speaker 3: of teams are like, oh, we got to build around

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Speaker 3: the stadiums. They won't say it, they won't say it,

645
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Speaker 3: but they've created the energy in the stadium that's now

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Speaker 3: permeating through the city like it is. It's San Diego's

647
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Speaker 3: only professional team, and I think, you know, it's credit

648
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Speaker 3: to the late mister Sidler, but what he created, what

649
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 3: he allowed the payroll to get to, was to win.

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Speaker 3: And I think this organization still wants to win. With

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Speaker 3: a j pereller at the helm and oh added a

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Speaker 3: repercussion or what happens when you put money in to

653
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Speaker 3: try to win, Fans start coming out. You get a

654
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 3: good team and they have like it's like it's a snowball.

655
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 3: They have like seven or eight games a year where

656
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 3: a new attendance record because they're adding seats, people want

657
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 3: to go to the game, and it's it is a vibe.

658
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, you just want you want you just want ownership

659
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 4: to come in. I just want ownerships that are looking

660
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 4: like the Mets are like. You just want them to spend.

661
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 4: You want to make this league fun. You want to

662
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 4: get these exciting contracts. Obviously little bias coming from a

663
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 4: player's side, but you want teams. The more teams that

664
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 4: go for it, the more fun this league becomes.

665
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: Right.

666
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cohen actually has the highest bid ever for Major

667
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: League Baseball, buying the Mets for two point four to

668
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: two billion. But again this this is going to beat

669
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: that number. Also, think about it on the franchise valuation side,

670
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: the current group that owns the Padres. This isn't like

671
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: the Twins where they bought them forty years go. They

672
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: bought this team in twenty twelve. Okay, so it's twenty

673
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: twenty six, that's it's fourteen years ago. In fourteen years,

674
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: the valuation has gone from eight hundred million to now

675
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: they might sell this team for close to three billion dollars.

676
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: They are going to at least triple their money, at

677
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: least triple their money. Put your money in the market

678
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: in twenty twelve and then close your eyes and look

679
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: at it now.

680
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: It didn't triple.

681
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 3: Nice, No it didn't. But ultimately that is what brings

682
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 3: businessmen into a business. But oh no, down business and

683
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 3: a sport that you know, what Scott's talking about is

684
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: teams and owners crying, oh it's poor, like we had

685
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 3: to You don't understand. There was a lot of overhead

686
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: during that time. Okay, but now we're coming to the

687
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 3: completion of all that overhead, all of that although investments

688
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 3: and how you handled how you stewarded your possession of

689
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 3: the team, it shows it growth. It shows it grew,

690
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 3: and they they had growth that now they're able to

691
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 3: cash in. Now the state side, Peter Sidler's a state

692
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 3: is able to cash in. And I think it's interesting

693
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 3: because all we hear is, oh, we're going to wait

694
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 3: till the new CBA. We're gonna wait. You know, they're

695
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 3: probably gonna wait till the new CBA to put their organization,

696
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 3: put their franchise on the market. It'll be interested to

697
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 3: see how if it's sold before this new CBA and

698
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 3: then the organizations that are sold after the CBA, did

699
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 3: they get a gold mine by jumping in a year early.

700
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think they're already starting to price it

701
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: that way, where they think POSTBA, your valuation goes up,

702
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 2: and that's why some of the teams are waiting to sell.

703
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: And really my point also is even simpler that they've

704
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,479
Speaker 2: done a nice job with the team and the money

705
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 2: goes up. I mean, the money goes up with the

706
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 2: league anyway, with the revenues. But they've done a nice

707
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: job out there, and Kip winning matters, it's most of it.

708
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, But they haven't won a.

709
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: World Series title, and they've brought a lot more of

710
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 2: a winning culture out there, a lot more of an

711
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: entertaining culture out there.

712
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: So I know there's Dodger fans that are watching right now.

713
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 2: They're going to insert their little bro jokes or whatever

714
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: they've got for the Padres because they've been winning and

715
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: the Padres didn't. And really I can't harp enough on

716
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 2: going back a couple of years ago where the Padres

717
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: had them and I think they would won a World

718
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: Series that year.

719
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: That was that was the time.

720
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 2: For some reason, it seemed, you know, distracted and just

721
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 2: they couldn't put together hits against a really good Dodgers'

722
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: pitching staff. But anyway, you fast forward and Kip, I mean,

723
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 2: for a good chunk of your playing career, what did

724
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: you think of the Padres as a franchise.

725
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 4: They again, as j I said, when Webby was here,

726
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 4: I never got to play them, or never really played

727
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 4: against in San Diego, so I never experienced competing against them.

728
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 4: But at the same time, they weren't what they are now.

729
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 4: I think once Preller got there, once you got to

730
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 4: the Machado, Bogart's like, you got all these big names,

731
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 4: big contracts coming in. You saw the NFL team lead

732
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 4: like that city loves that team now and it looks

733
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 4: like a vibe to play it. Like you said, it

734
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 4: looks like a fun, loud place that gets even louder

735
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,959
Speaker 4: during the postseason. Guys want to live in San Diego,

736
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 4: Guys want to play there. It looks like the place

737
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 4: to be. They just were not able to get over

738
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 4: the hump that year that you were talking about. And

739
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 4: who knows, maybe this could be this new ownership if

740
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 4: it does happen and the deal's made and it goes

741
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 4: through and it gives them a chance to reload for

742
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 4: Preller to go after some other big names and get

743
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 4: there maybe after the Dodgers are finishing their run, if

744
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 4: they're about to go on a run. So it's one

745
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 4: of the better places to play in the league weather wise,

746
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 4: fan wise, and if you have good ownership and ownership

747
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 4: willing to spend. Why wysees not II on most free agents' list.

748
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: Improwler is actually going to be there now for a while.

749
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: You just signed an extension. Yeah, there's back and worth

750
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 2: going on there. So yeah, he's he's locked in, all right,

751
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: So this is going to transition us to current free agent.

752
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 2: Justin Turner chiming in on the Socials last night. Something

753
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 2: that popped was John Haymond putting in his story what

754
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: a salary cap would look like from a proposal standpoint,

755
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: and then people were reacting. He said, early suggestions are

756
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: looking at a proposed cap around two sixty to two

757
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: eighty MILI and a floor of one forty to one sixty.

758
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: Justin Turner then put out their question for the quote parody.

759
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: People who are pro salary cap, do you implement the

760
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: cap and then wait for all the deferrals like the

761
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,439
Speaker 2: Dodgers to expire before you start seeing if the cap

762
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: works for parody. Do you not think this gives them

763
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 2: an even bigger advantage over the next five to ten years,

764
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: And then debate ensued.

765
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: About what that would look like.

766
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: So even if we do get to a world where

767
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: there's a hard cap, because we have soft one now

768
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: a hard cap implemented. Yeah, they're not going to do

769
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 2: this overnight. It would take a lot of time to

770
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: get there. But he said, in case you're wondering, the

771
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 2: deferrals wouldn't actually start hitting the Dodgers hard until twenty

772
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 2: thirty four. They would be at about ninety and deferrals

773
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 2: toward a propose cap, so eight years until they start

774
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 2: to feel it. I will say, though, there's so much

775
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: nuance to what he's talking about, because we still factor

776
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: in deferrals to the luxury tax numbers so you can

777
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 2: do net present value, So it doesn't quite work that way,

778
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: and I think it's more worth talking out. The other

779
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: thing I'll point out there is, I mean, these stories

780
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: are coming out left and right, and the season hasn't

781
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 2: started yet, Kip.

782
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 1: Right now, we have some fans like stop talking about

783
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: the CBA.

784
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 2: And I'm like, the stories keep coming out and social

785
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: media keeps going to blaze about the topics. So yeah,

786
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want to talk about it all

787
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: day either. I know we're going to talk about it

788
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: all freaking winter long next year. But right now, somebody

789
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 2: puts out a story, puts out a proposed cap number

790
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: that definitely comes from a you know, somebody who's in

791
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 2: the know. There comes from someone on the league side

792
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: who's leaking that out. We're going to react to it

793
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 2: at least.

794
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 4: A couple of things. Couple it's our job to talk

795
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 4: about it with this show. That's exactly what we should

796
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 4: be doing. It's a big part of the game, and

797
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 4: it's a big part of the direction this game's headed

798
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 4: to right now, where this is going to be a

799
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 4: huge story. And one thing that I think the player's

800
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 4: side has always kind of stood by is we want transparency.

801
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 4: We want the public to have all the knowledge and

802
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 4: all the stories that we get so they can have

803
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 4: all the information to make kind of their own judgment.

804
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 4: But no, these stories are very important because this game

805
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 4: is maybe coming to a standstill here soon because of

806
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 4: certain disagreements, and I want everybody to know what's actually

807
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 4: going on, and I want them to make an educated opinion.

808
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 4: So these stories are very important to talk to talk about.

809
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: Can I ask a question, Kip, you're a business man.

810
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 2: If if fans feel like some teams you know, can't

811
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: spend enough and they're gonna have to spend a lot

812
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: more on a floor like that, Let's say it's one

813
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 2: sixty mil. I mean, there's some teams barely touching one hundred.

814
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 2: How are they getting there? I'm going to tell you

815
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 2: how they get there. They're going to get there from

816
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: revenue sharing. And then this just basically puts in forced

817
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 2: revenue sharing. So I know the player stance is, Hey,

818
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 2: if you want a cap, it's just suppressing player salaries, right,

819
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 2: it's concentrating them. It helps franchise valuations. Isn't the same

820
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: difference to just give more money to the teams that

821
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 2: don't feel like they can keep up and then force

822
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: them to actually spend it, because we don't do either

823
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,919
Speaker 2: of those things right now? Like, Okay, you played most

824
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 2: of your career in Cleveland, right, Cleveland doesn't spend much

825
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: in the offseason. I mean lately they really do almost nothing.

826
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: I think they kind of push chips in more during

827
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 2: you got during your last run there, right, twenty sixteen,

828
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: there's a little more going on now.

829
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: It's like really really quiet.

830
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 2: We had Mike Turnoff the other day on and he

831
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: was very personal, but very also very straightforward, like, yeah,

832
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 2: we don't play in those waters. I'm like, Okay, what

833
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: if I just dropped one hundred million bucks on you?

834
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 2: And it sounds crazy, but they have a new TV

835
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: deal that's going to come up in the next couple

836
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: of years, so it's not that crazy that they're going

837
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 2: to get more money and they can figure out the

838
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 2: revenue sharing a little bit more. If they're then told, hey,

839
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 2: you got to spend this on players, what's the difference

840
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 2: if your team then is forced to spend that way.

841
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 2: What's the difference between that and then putting a cap

842
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: on something.

843
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 4: I think the difference Here's one where I'll say the

844
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 4: difference is I think after we were making our run

845
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 4: in Cleveland around sixteen and all those years we were

846
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 4: able to sign Edwin and Carnrasci and I think for

847
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 4: four years for eighty so a twenty eight year. It's

848
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 4: granted it's spent some years since then, but you see

849
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 4: Cleveland has kind of stopped spending a little bit. You

850
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 4: don't want a team, especially a small market team to

851
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 4: go for it, to spend some money and then have

852
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 4: to take a decade to lick their wounds from trying

853
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 4: to go for it. You want them to keep going

854
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 4: for it. That's so I think that's where the floor

855
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 4: is a little bit better than the cap. But listen,

856
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 4: it's not like they're they're struggling to make money here

857
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 4: with TV deals and everything else. I think it's no difference. Uh,

858
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 4: when you when you put it on paper the way

859
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 4: that you were laying it out earlier. So I think

860
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 4: you're using too much common sense and rationale right now,

861
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 4: which just hasn't always been there in negotiations. But hopefully

862
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 4: it will be come to the future. I think there

863
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 4: is a medium, there is some place where we can

864
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 4: meet forward. The problem with these negotiations is instead of

865
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 4: just agreeing on the middle piece, it's i'll give you

866
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 4: this inch, you give me this inch, and it's like

867
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 4: it takes time to get there to the middle because

868
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 4: nobody wants to even give that inch. So hopefully the calmer,

869
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 4: smarter heads prevail in the long run. But yeah, it's

870
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 4: just these are the stories that are going to keep

871
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 4: coming out where you're gonna realize why no, no sides

872
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 4: willing to budge yet.

873
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 1: Kras what you think of these parameters.

874
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 3: I just think my opinion is I try not to

875
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 3: be two players sided, but I'm trying to bring the

876
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 3: reality of the situation. This is an owner's I don't

877
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 3: have an issue as much with the guardians because they

878
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 3: do try to win the organizations that try to pocket money.

879
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 3: It is where is where I have the issue. Let's

880
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 3: say let's say the the Marlins. Let's go to the Marlins.

881
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 3: There's seventy six million dollars as a projected opening day salaries. Ah,

882
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 3: they're just gonna automatically get to They're just with the

883
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 3: increased revenue sharing, they're just gonna automatically double their salary,

884
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 3: like their salary expenditure. No like that. I just have

885
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 3: I have a hard time believing they're just gonna automatically

886
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 3: poof like generate this much money. This could be something.

887
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 3: There's something like, like Kip said, there's something in the middle.

888
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 3: There's an answer in the middle there because we have

889
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 3: the soft salary cap that teams are willing to go over.

890
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 3: Teams are willing to pay that penalty, which then yes

891
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 3: goes to players. But it also goes to the lower,

892
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 3: lower level organizations, the organizations that need the revenue sharing.

893
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 3: So why can't we have a soft floor where if

894
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 3: you don't hit this. I just don't like the parameters

895
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 3: that are there are just you know, they're they're putting

896
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 3: those numbers out in the media so that fans are like, oh, yeah,

897
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: that sounds great. That's my team is a small market.

898
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: My team is not the Dodgers. So I'm going to

899
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 3: you know, I'm going to get behind this. The reality

900
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 3: is the Dodgers are going to get richer if they

901
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 3: institute this. Teams are going to get richer, and the

902
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 3: parody is not going to be like, look at the

903
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 3: other organize, look at the other leagues. The parody is

904
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 3: not there. So it's an organizational thing. Maybe when you

905
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 3: look at the league and you say everybody has to compete,

906
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 3: it's competitive balance. It's not a CBA. That's just a balance.

907
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 3: It's not a BA. It's a competitive balance. The point

908
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 3: of our league is to make every team compet. Not

909
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 3: everybody gets a trophy, but every team compete, and without

910
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 3: a soft salary floor, those teams have no reason to compete.

911
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 3: They just continue to get their revenue checks, and they

912
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 3: continue to cry poor, and they continue to finish in

913
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 3: third to fifth place.

914
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: And that is the real battle going on behind the scenes.

915
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: That is that is a fact. There's a massive battle,

916
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 2: because we've even seen owners get public about that, right.

917
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: We've heard some of you Yankees, We've heard Al Steimern

918
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 2: are kind of say, hey, I don't want to keep

919
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: sharing all of that with these guys because I don't

920
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 2: feel like they're spending it.

921
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 1: And that's the.

922
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: Battle that goes on behind the scenes. I mean the

923
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 2: TV battles there too. You know, some teams are like,

924
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 2: why do we have to give up all of our

925
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: rights to the league? And you see it looks like

926
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 2: the Braves and the Angels are going to start their

927
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: own network. So there's a lot of battling that goes

928
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: on behind the scenes. But all we see out in

929
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 2: public is all right, it's going to be two fifty mil.

930
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: Dodgers are going to make eight hundred million dollars a year,

931
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: and they're going to create I mean, they might be

932
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: able to buy another planet and breed their own baseball

933
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 2: players with that extra money and make them sign with

934
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 2: the Dodgers. I'm kidding but in all seriousness, it's it's

935
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: that's a tough number in my mind. Yep, I don't think.

936
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to get anywhere close to that.

937
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 2: And anyway, I'm just one of those people. I don't

938
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: think there's going to be a cap And I also

939
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: don't think that we're going to miss time. I think

940
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 2: that they're going to fake miss time. That's been my prediction.

941
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: I think they're going to fake fake miss time means

942
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 2: we'll get to March blah blah blah. They'll say, oh,

943
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 2: now we're going to start missing games, and then they'll

944
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,919
Speaker 2: figure it out a couple weeks later when push comes

945
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 2: to shove and it starts to look like they might

946
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 2: actually miss them, and they'll be like, we're going to

947
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: flow some double headers. You're going to barely have any

948
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 2: spring training. They might not even go to spring training.

949
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 2: They might just do like COVID style, you go to

950
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 2: the ballpark, you do a week and you just go

951
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 2: and they say, well, you want to fight with us.

952
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 2: You might not be totally ready and you get hurt.

953
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 3: I think it needs to be remembered too, that this

954
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 3: is a lock This would be a lockout, not a strike,

955
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 3: too many people that were still alive, and nineteen ninety

956
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 3: four the players struck. This is the owners locking the

957
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 3: players out, locking their employees out of the business. Locking

958
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 3: up cannot come to work. So I think there's just

959
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 3: too many there's too many times where it's just been

960
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 3: very much like who the player is?

961
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 5: This?

962
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 3: The players? That to me? When this number comes out

963
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 3: two fifty to one sixty, if that's if that's what

964
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 3: they want, if they won a salary cap? What are

965
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 3: the owners willing to give up? Come next? John Hayman

966
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 3: article next next Evandrelic article next, Jason Starr Ken Rosenthal

967
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 3: all those articles? What are the owners willing to give up?

968
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,919
Speaker 3: Because with a cap players are giving up so much?

969
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 3: Are you willing to let your best player go after

970
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 3: four years to free agency? Four years of team control?

971
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 3: That's it, that's what we're willing to give up. Like, no,

972
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 3: let's start here.

973
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: Know what happened there?

974
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 2: I can guarantee you what would happen there. There's something

975
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 2: that exists. You want me to tell you what would happen?

976
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 2: I'm telling you like I could see that where they're like,

977
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 2: forget that three years, right, and then you know what

978
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 2: they would say, look at the NBA, it's going to

979
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: be super team city because if you're capped on what

980
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 2: you can say, you all the guys are going to

981
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 2: go to the same spots that just treated really well.

982
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 2: And then you might even start to see some Quhi

983
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: Leonard marketing contracts. Oh wow, look I can get an

984
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 2: influencer deal, It'll turn to like nil. Look I got

985
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 2: an influencer deal for one post. I got twenty million bucks.

986
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 2: But I'm with the Dodgers. Now it could get real ugly,

987
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 2: real fast.

988
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: NBA is going.

989
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: Through a lot of problems right now. That's years A

990
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 2: regular season is sloppy right now.

991
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 7: It's terrible.

992
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 3: Guys don't even play the whole year. Yeah, but it's

993
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 3: been years of very owner centric driven type of rhetoric.

994
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 3: And I just want to make sure that when people

995
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 3: come to our show, do we say the player's side, Absolutely,

996
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 3: because that's what we know. Me and Kip are idiots.

997
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 3: Kip owns a business, and I'm bald, so and I

998
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 3: had a below I had a below zero war. For

999
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 3: everybody who wants to comment on that, this is something

1000
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 3: that is a two sided negotiation. So when you hear that,

1001
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 3: make sure you're able to listen to the other side

1002
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 3: and hear, well, what would be what would be the

1003
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 3: exchange there? What would be the exchange? Because the goal

1004
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 3: is parody, right, because that's what we keep hearing parody, parody,

1005
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 3: parody fans want parody. Just make sure what is being

1006
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 3: put out there. There's two sides to the to the argument,

1007
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 3: there's two sides to this negotiation.