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Speaker 1: Here you are.

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome to an emergency edition of Cardinal Territory.

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Speaker 2: The Cardinals made a big move today. I'm Jim Hayes,

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Speaker 2: joined by Matt Holliday and Lancelom. We're going to try

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Speaker 2: to break this trade down for you folks at home,

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Speaker 2: just the basics. Sonny Gray Waves is no trade clause

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Speaker 2: dealt to Boston for two pictures. We're talking about left

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Speaker 2: handed prospect Brandon Clark and Dick Fitz, a twenty five

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Speaker 2: year old right hander who has made fourteen big league

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Speaker 2: starts in his career. Thank you for smiling, gentlemen. Thirty

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Speaker 2: one million dollars for this year for Sonny, plus ten

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Speaker 2: mili for the buyout, and the Cards are going to

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Speaker 2: pay twenty million dollars of that. So those are the details.

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Speaker 2: Matt Holliday, you have a big grin on your face.

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Speaker 2: What are your thoughts?

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Speaker 3: Well, he took some liberty. He's he's listed as Richard Fitz.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that he told you you could call

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Speaker 3: him Dick, but I guess you took some liberties at that.

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Speaker 3: I think Look, I knew the quality of return was

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Speaker 3: going to depend on the amount of money the Cardinals

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Speaker 3: were willing to pick up, you know, so I think

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Speaker 3: in twenty millions a lot.

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Speaker 1: I mean, throwing twenty million dollars on top of Sonny

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Speaker 1: Gray makes me think that they're very pretty excited about

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Speaker 1: the two prospects they got back. I looked at the

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Speaker 1: notes about the lefty, the young lefty. They got ninety

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Speaker 1: seven ninety eight miles an hour on his fastball from

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Speaker 1: a lefty. I haven't seen Dick pitch much, but I

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Speaker 1: gotta think that they're pretty high on these guys to

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Speaker 1: give a picture his quality of Sonny Gray and throw

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Speaker 1: a twenty million on top.

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Speaker 2: So with Clark, he's a big kid, lands six four

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Speaker 2: two twenty again, good fastball, good sweeper. And Fitz is

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Speaker 2: a guy who has some major league experience. I think

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Speaker 2: he might be rotation ready if that's the direction that

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Speaker 2: the Cards go. Just sum up the trade for us?

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Speaker 2: What what are what are your thoughts?

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Speaker 4: I think he had a high upside lefty, to be honest,

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Speaker 4: but you also have a lot of walks there. If

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Speaker 4: you look at his numbers, there's quite a bit of uh,

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Speaker 4: you know, command issues. But you know he's young, he

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Speaker 4: throws hard, so maybe he can hone some of that

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Speaker 4: in I think they're both projects. I think when you

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Speaker 4: look at what they've done with their stuff, entails and

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Speaker 4: stuff like that, they've got a chance to, uh, you know,

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Speaker 4: be big league pieces. Fitz has already been there, but

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Speaker 4: he's dealt with he's dealt with some injuries. I think

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Speaker 4: he's got some uh some deception issues that he might

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Speaker 4: need to clean up to help his stuff play a

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Speaker 4: little bit better. It's got a you know, he seems

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Speaker 4: to struggle a little bit with some deception and and

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Speaker 4: all that stuff. But I think that the Cardinals are

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Speaker 4: trying to kind of trying to get swinging to miss

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Speaker 4: young stuff, and you know, they think they got that

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Speaker 4: with him.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's a wait and see.

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Speaker 4: I think the left he's got a chance to be

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Speaker 4: big upside, And I think Fitz is kind of what

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Speaker 4: he is. Maybe he had a you know, had a

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Speaker 4: pitch here and there to kind of get you know,

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Speaker 4: get him some more deception and get him a little

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Speaker 4: different look on maybe a right or lefty of things

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Speaker 4: that he's struggling with. But I don't think either one

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Speaker 4: of them are big league plug in place.

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Speaker 5: Yet. There's there, you know, there's a work on both

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Speaker 5: of them.

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Speaker 2: So Sonny was a teammate of yours, Lance, He'll be

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Speaker 2: thirty six. And as Kyle Gibson likes to say, I

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Speaker 2: don't know where he gets it. He's not here with

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Speaker 2: us tonight, but he likes to say he gets the

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Speaker 2: forty one million dollar.

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Speaker 2: But Sonny's gonna be thirty six. I don't know what

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Speaker 2: what age never caught up with you, Lance lnn, but

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Speaker 2: it does sometimes with with other players. What do you

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Speaker 2: think the Red Sox are getting with with Sonny Gray?

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Speaker 2: They were looking for front of the rotation guy. He

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Speaker 2: certainly fills the bill. I don't know if he's one two.

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Speaker 2: How do you look at it?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean they've got a one in Crochet, So

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Speaker 4: whatever Sonny brings to the tables a plus for them.

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Speaker 4: And they've got guys that have pitched well enough to

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Speaker 4: be two's there already on their rotation. But Sonny's got

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Speaker 4: back to back two hundred plus, you know, two hundred

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Speaker 4: strikeout seasons, so his stuff is still there.

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Speaker 5: Swinging this is still there. He's able to do the job.

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Speaker 4: So I would say in Boston it's a little bit sunnier,

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Speaker 4: and in Saint Louis is a little bit grayer in

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Speaker 4: my opinion, no.

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Speaker 2: Matter how you look at Sonny Sonny I light.

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Speaker 1: Just a second. Sonny and I play together in New

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Speaker 1: York as well, so just I'm also a former teammate

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Speaker 1: of Sonny Gray. How do you know? How do you know?

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Speaker 2: I wasn't going to get to that. How do you

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Speaker 2: know I wasn't going to get to that?

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Speaker 5: Like, oh, I was teammates twice. I was twice.

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Speaker 2: I was just listen. I was just going back to

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Speaker 2: back with Lance and then I was gonna follow up

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Speaker 2: with Like Sonny Gray was top five in baseball in

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Speaker 2: terms of strikeouts to walk ratio, still very effective. Matt Holliday,

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Speaker 2: he's a former teammate. I think it was in New York.

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Speaker 2: You you played with Sonny Gray. Just your thoughts on

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Speaker 2: on what the Socks are getting.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 1: I think, like Lance said, they have Garrett Crochet and

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Speaker 1: you have Brian Beao, and then you can slot Sonny

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Speaker 1: two three. I mean, I think the American League, he's

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Speaker 1: just continues to get better. I mean, I'm waiting for

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Speaker 1: for Jackson's Orioles to start jumping in the mix on

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Speaker 1: some of these guys and and and started elevating maybe

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Speaker 1: some of their starting pitching. But it's a it's another

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Speaker 1: you know, like Lance said, he's still striking people out.

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Speaker 1: He slots in. I think he likes. I think you'll like.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a great place to pitch, I

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Speaker 1: mean obviously with the with the Green Monster being so close,

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Speaker 1: but I think he'll he'll thrive in that in that environment,

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Speaker 1: especially not happened to be the ace. He's a great guy,

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Speaker 1: a great teammate. So we'll see. But I I for

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Speaker 1: the Red Sox to get you know, Sonny Gray and

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Speaker 1: twenty million, so they're basically, you know, for that value.

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Speaker 1: I'm I hope these guys turn out for the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: because that's pretty good value for a picture of Sonny's caliber.

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Speaker 2: And that's a lot of money for the for the

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Speaker 2: Cardinals to pay. But you know, I'm bloom took over.

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Speaker 2: This is really his first major move. Lance, he said,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna get right to it. He's gonna be aggressive,

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Speaker 2: and again he's trying to balance short term with long term.

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Speaker 2: He said today when addressing the media though that sometimes

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Speaker 2: if there's sort of a jump ball, they're gonna dress

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Speaker 2: long term. This is certainly or on face value, seems

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Speaker 2: like a long term move.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, here's the way you look at Okay,

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Speaker 5: they got rid of forty.

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Speaker 4: Million dollars off the book. That's what he was going

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Speaker 4: to cost him. They gave, you know, and they gave

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Speaker 4: twenty backs. So they've got two pitchers. One big left

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Speaker 4: you with some upside. The other guy's kind of like

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Speaker 4: a probably back of the rotation, ceiling guy, probably a

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Speaker 4: mid reliever, big league caliber, ready guy, probably has some

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Speaker 4: stuff he needs to clean up, especially mechanically just to

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Speaker 4: stay healthy because he's dealt with some injuries. And you

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Speaker 4: have twenty million dollars that you can kind of maybe

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Speaker 4: go after some free agents. So all in all, it's

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Speaker 4: a wait and see, especially maybe if they reallocate that

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Speaker 4: twenty that they that they got off the books for

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Speaker 4: maybe two or three, you know, guys that they can

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Speaker 4: play tune with or reliever or something here and see

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Speaker 4: where it goes. So it's definitely a wait and see.

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Speaker 4: But when you're pretty much getting Sonny Gray for one

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Speaker 4: year for twenty million dollars for two prospects, I think

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Speaker 4: that's a I think that's a good deal for Boston

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Speaker 4: to be honest with you, so, but it's a wait

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Speaker 4: and see on the Cardinals side, and they got a

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Speaker 4: little extra extra cash to add hopefully to their team

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Speaker 4: this year to see where it takes them and Matt.

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Speaker 2: When you are dealing with younger pitchers who haven't established

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Speaker 2: themselves at the big league level, I think Lance has

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Speaker 2: it right. It's it's wait and see. And I think

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Speaker 2: if you're the Red Sox, you have to see how

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Speaker 2: thirty six year old Sonny Gray adapts to pitching in Boston.

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Speaker 2: But face value, it sort of seems like both teams

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Speaker 2: accomplish what they were looking to. Would you agree with that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that you know, they said

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Speaker 1: they're gonna try to trade Nolan, They're gonna try to

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Speaker 1: trade contrarists, They're gonna try to trade Sonny. Like I

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Speaker 1: said earlier, they're gonna have to eat money to get.

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Speaker 1: The more money that they that they eat, the better

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Speaker 1: return they're gonna get. I mean, that's just, you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of how it goes, especially with players that are

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Speaker 1: getting into their mid thirties and and and so they

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Speaker 1: have some money. The payroll is not going to be

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Speaker 1: the pay roll is not going to be real high

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Speaker 1: especially if they were able to unload uh Contrarasts and

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Speaker 1: build build the you know, because it looks to me

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Speaker 1: like you know, they're aiming for for getting back into

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Speaker 1: these are adding prospects to the guys they like already.

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Speaker 1: Again talking about the lefty, he hasn't I don't think

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Speaker 1: he's made it out of a ball yet. He's twenty two,

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Speaker 1: So you know, there's obviously Lance talked about the command issues. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot to be learned, I think about for

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Speaker 1: the lefty for sure. I mean, at least the the

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Speaker 1: fits uh kids is pitched in the big leagues a

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Speaker 1: little bit so. But I think you'll see a similar

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Speaker 1: type of trade when it comes to to Contraras and

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Speaker 1: the money to get young a ball, you know, prospects

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Speaker 1: would be my guess.

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Speaker 2: Matt brings up a great point. What will the next

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Speaker 4: I think that's kind of the play. Moving Sonny was

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Speaker 5: Maybe they throw an arbitration guy. That's that's you know,

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Speaker 1: Mean, I guess it just depends on how fast you know,

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Speaker 2: I haven't completed my mission. I like the young guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think a lot of things could

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Speaker 2: I was hoping that while Matt was talking, Lance would

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think what it comes down to it is if

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Speaker 4: And Wilson's a guy that he likes where he's at.

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Speaker 5: Uh, That's the way I see it.

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Speaker 4: He You know, he's a he is very locked into

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Speaker 2: When you hear lance the term prospect like Clark the

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Speaker 5: You would hope. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think Matt and I have known anywhere you're at

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Speaker 4: You have no idea what anybody's about yet until they

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Speaker 4: Until I see them in a full year of Triple

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Speaker 5: So but he had a little step back this year.

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Speaker 4: So you got to wait and see on these guys,

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Speaker 5: I will say that.

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Speaker 2: Holiday you. There was one time where you were a prospect.

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Speaker 2: You know, you have one son in the majors. Another

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Speaker 2: that starting rotation. I want to ask you guys, so

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Speaker 2: I looked at it this way, like, to me, there's

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Speaker 2: And granted I could still get white out and cover

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Speaker 2: to be there. I'm gonna give you mine first. I

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Speaker 2: got Libby McGreevy and Lay he was in the bullpen

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Speaker 2: last year, but I think Lay he's a lot to

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Speaker 2: Who who do you have in the rotation? Who you

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Speaker 2: interested in seeing in there?

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I don't know you know enough about it. I

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Speaker 1: probably need to read up on who the other candidates are.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure Lance knows better than I do. But look,

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Speaker 1: I think the guy that just got fits is gonna

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Speaker 1: that he's probably got a pretty good chance at getting

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Speaker 1: You know, if you've got bullpen guys that have been

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Speaker 1: for guys that can hold their stuff for four to

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Speaker 1: I think everybody is an option. And so I think

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Speaker 1: that outside of your your short one inning type of

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Speaker 1: believers that are a little bit older, I think all

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Speaker 1: of them will be under consideration. To be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: I think every guy they invited to big league camp

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Speaker 1: is going to have a chance at that fifth starter spot.

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Speaker 1: So Lance will probably have, you know, a little bit

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Speaker 1: better idea than I do. Haven't been there, you know, recently,

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Speaker 1: But I think it could be a lot of different guys.

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Speaker 2: I know Lance is a Polonte guy, He's certainly in

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Speaker 2: the mix. You got Quinn Matthews, you got Liam Doyle,

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Speaker 2: and again, you know, Lay could be a new piece.

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Speaker 2: How do you see you going?

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Speaker 4: I think I think the three that you you named

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Speaker 4: are locks, and I think Polante is a lot if

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Speaker 4: healthy in spring training and throwing the ball. Uh, to

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Speaker 4: be honest with you, just being healthy, those four you

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Speaker 4: have to go with those four and then you're gonna

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Speaker 4: not going to be able to give you. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you can't come on any of them to be a

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Speaker 4: truthful thirty start guy. So it's got to be a

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Speaker 4: you're looking at six for sure right out of the gate.

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Speaker 4: So then you run fits and uh you can, and

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Speaker 4: Matthew's out there probably, and then you're probably gonna start

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Speaker 4: Doyle in the minor leagues and then have him filter

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Speaker 4: in throughout the year. So that's my my four plante

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Speaker 4: is a lock. And then you have the three that

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Speaker 4: you said, and then you the the five, six, seven

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Speaker 4: unless they sign somebody else.

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Speaker 2: And you probably need to be at spring training what

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Speaker 2: eight nine deep with possible starters because people always get hurt.

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Speaker 4: Early on, right we get when you're looking at well,

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Speaker 4: you're looking at what they have right now, They've got

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Speaker 4: they've got seven to eight uh, just in house, and

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Speaker 4: there's gonna be if they if you're looking at what

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Speaker 4: they still have left to do in the trade wise,

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Speaker 4: they're good to get another double, a triple, a starter

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Speaker 4: most likely and you know, everybody still wants to give

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Speaker 4: tink Hints a chance too. So maybe there's a guy that, hey, man,

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Speaker 4: if we can get one hundred innings out of him

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Speaker 4: this year and we can you know, have some starts

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Speaker 4: throughout the year in the big leagues and kind of

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Speaker 4: get his feet wet.

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Speaker 5: There's another guy. So you know, if you're going youth,

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Speaker 5: this is what you do.

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Speaker 4: Uh, but you have to have innings so you don't

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Speaker 4: kill your bullpen and plant I can give you those.

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Speaker 4: And he's the only one that has kind of been

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Speaker 4: in the rotation in the last two years to build

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Speaker 4: in there.

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Speaker 5: And then you have what Liby did last year.

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Speaker 4: Greevy's been in the triple A rotation, so he's been

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Speaker 4: able to get the innings that he needs. And then

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Speaker 4: the rest of them, you're going to have to say, hey,

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Speaker 4: let's hope to get one hundred to one hundred and twenty,

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Speaker 4: maybe one hundred and forty innings out out of a

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Speaker 4: couple of them, and you're going to have to have

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Speaker 4: eight guys to be able to do that to ten

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Speaker 4: most likely, the him.

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Speaker 2: Bloom era is underway in Saint Louis. Gentlemen, thank you

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Speaker 2: for being part of our emergency Cardinal Territory. Hopefully we

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Speaker 2: shed some light on the move that sends Sonny Gray

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Speaker 2: to Boston. That's gonna do it for this edition. Hopefully

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Speaker 2: the next edition of Cardinal Territory won't suck. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: joining us