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Speaker 1: What do we have, Crystal, Indeed, we do lots that

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Speaker 1: is breaking this morning and this week. We have the

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Speaker 1: very latest with regard to that Ukraine war leaker, what

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Speaker 1: of that. Also shots fired, more shots fired between Rondasantis

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Speaker 1: and Donald Trump. This comes as to Santas signed a

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Speaker 1: Justice Thomas new revelations this morning and over the weekend

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Speaker 1: now he's saying he's going to have to amend his financial.

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Speaker 4: Disclosure, so we'll give you all of those details.

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Speaker 1: Renewed calls for Diane Feinstein to retire, and Rocanna, who

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Speaker 2: It's going to be fun. Yeah, it's gonna be fun.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with the Pentagon leaker. So Chrystal and I

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Speaker 2: We have the official charges against Jake t. Tarra, so

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Speaker 2: He was officially charged with two separate counts of unauthorized

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Speaker 2: these are just the first charges that were made against Taharah.

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Speaker 2: He's the twenty one year old Massachusetts Air National guardsman

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Speaker 3: This is probably the best way to put it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what does that tell us, Well, it's a

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Speaker 2: Numbers that I have heard so far is that the

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Speaker 2: Each of those could carry a case up to ten years,

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Speaker 2: Also, from what I've been able to understand, t Haarah

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Speaker 3: So I didn't even know.

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Speaker 2: It was that easy to print, and he did it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, because that's when you have that high

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Speaker 1: They have to separate the actual records versus ones that

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Speaker 2: Correct And so this is big nighted a big debate online,

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Speaker 2: Marjorie Taylor Green kind of ignited this. Let's go and

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Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen. She puts this out.

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Speaker 2: Jake Tahara is a white male Christian and anti war.

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Speaker 2: That makes him an enemy to the Biden regime. He

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Speaker 2: real enemy, A young low level National guardsman or the

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Speaker 2: course ignited just full scale discourse Crystal. Everyone was calling

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say. Yes, the system failed.

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Speaker 5: This is a major failure, and those who are trying

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Speaker 5: to sugarcoat this on the right, you cannot allow a

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Speaker 5: single individual of the military intelligence community to leak classified

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Speaker 5: information because they disagree with policy. I don't know what

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Speaker 5: led to this airman's actions, but he's done a lot

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Speaker 5: America's ability to defend itself that it's okay to release

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Speaker 3: So that's the full scope of the debate.

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Speaker 2: A lot of Democrats and media figures also joining their

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Speaker 2: dude broke the law, no question about it. Also, in

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Speaker 2: Washington Post, he carled the new Digital Generation insider threat

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Speaker 2: aka gen Z, the inevitable emergence of a class of

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Speaker 2: people who seek not to cause political chaofs, but rather

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Speaker 3: He's like, guys, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Not going to keep posting class what information if you're

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Speaker 2: So look, he didn't have a principled motivation. Now, Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's fine, So I wouldn't I think like Snowden and

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Speaker 2: where I think debating whether the individual was a hero

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Speaker 3: It certainly broke the law.

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Speaker 2: What bothers me, Crystal, is that the entire discussion is

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Speaker 2: themselves and what he exposed to the point where I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I don't really care about this guy. I even think

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Speaker 2: the debate around this guy is almost foolish. We should

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Speaker 2: talk about like long range weapons to Zelenski and US

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there is a debate about him and whether or

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Speaker 1: not he is a whistleblower, whether or not he's a hero.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like a philosophical debate, which I do actually

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Speaker 3: To speak through.

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Speaker 1: And I'll get to my thoughts on that in the moment.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think Marjorie Taylor Green's tweet is stupid

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Speaker 1: because she, I mean, this is conservative identity politics peak,

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Speaker 1: where it's about always white, male and Christian, and that's

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Speaker 1: why the state's going after it. Please please, I mean,

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Speaker 1: reality winner, right, Julia. It doesn't matter whether you're a

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Speaker 3: Not one mainstream media outlet wrote that up. Not one.

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Speaker 2: In fact, the only framing around that, only framing around

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Speaker 1: It's also part of a multi decade I guess trends

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Speaker 2: locked up, now it's a party. Now they actually are

442
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Speaker 2: reporting on some of the exclusive stuff that they have.

443
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Speaker 2: Let's go and put this up there on the screen.

444
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Speaker 2: They had two at the very least that they've put

445
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Speaker 2: out leaked documents detail up to four additional Chinese by

446
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Speaker 2: balloons and Taiwan highly vulnerable to Chinese air attack leaked

447
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Speaker 2: documents show. I mean, look, this is clear cut in

448
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 2: my head. Those two are way more newsworthy as stories

449
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Speaker 2: to put out before you go after the leaker.

450
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Speaker 3: And now they're celebrating.

451
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Speaker 2: And actually Glenn made an important point, which is they

452
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Speaker 2: did the exact same thing to Edward Snowden. They both

453
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 2: won a Pulitzer Prize and patted themselves on the back

454
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Speaker 2: for their coverage of the Snowden documents, but then also

455
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Speaker 2: editorially took a turn against him as a lee. You

456
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Speaker 2: cannot have it both ways, Like you have to stand

457
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Speaker 2: up for people, specifically in the press, for the people

458
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Speaker 2: who are going to give you information now once again.

459
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Speaker 2: And I've seen some criticism of that too. You're like,

460
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Speaker 2: you shouldn't encourage us. Listen, that's not a crime. That's

461
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Speaker 2: our job. Actually, it's the government's job to stop you.

462
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Speaker 2: They have lost of the books to try and prevent

463
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Speaker 2: you to do. So you're gonna do your thing. I'm

464
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Speaker 2: gonna do my thing. And I think that's the.

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Speaker 3: Part where that has somehow been lost in translation.

466
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because clear okay, especially that Chinese s Bible in

467
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Speaker 2: story that is topical relevant to a very recent political controversy,

468
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Speaker 2: ongoing tensions, etcetera with China. How do you not publish

469
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Speaker 2: that as one of the first stories that you have, Yeah,

470
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Speaker 2: instead of the identity of the discord guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's Nutch, although I would and I do think

472
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Speaker 1: that that is highly topical and way more important than

473
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Speaker 1: the identity of the discord guy, let alone. The next

474
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Speaker 1: piece of reporting that we're about to show you is

475
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Speaker 1: now they're tracking down every person along the train, along

476
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Speaker 1: the trail that happened to share these documents as well.

477
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Speaker 1: But I also would say like it also fits with

478
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Speaker 1: the pattern of them focusing in on and reporting exclusively

479
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Speaker 1: on pieces that serve a hawkish narrative too.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's not newsworthy.

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Speaker 1: I think it should be reported out, But some of

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Speaker 1: the pieces, like what you were talking about earlier, saga

483
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Speaker 1: how Zelenski we had to tap wiretaps Zelenski because we

484
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Speaker 1: don't trust him, and what we find out is that

485
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Speaker 1: he wants to use the long range missiles he's been

486
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Speaker 1: begging us for to strike deep inside of Russia. The

487
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Speaker 1: only thing that's holding back is the fact that we

488
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Speaker 1: haven't shipped those particular weapons yet. That also seems like

489
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Speaker 1: it'd be important to report on, and that somehow gets

490
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Speaker 1: completely vanished.

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Speaker 3: Oh. Absolutely, So let's go to this part which broke

492
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Speaker 3: last night and is one of the weirdest things so far.

493
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Speaker 2: Now to come out of this entire thing, let's go

494
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Speaker 2: and put this up there on the screen from the

495
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Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal, an exclusive story. Social media account overseen

496
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Speaker 2: by former Navy non commission officer helped spread secrets, so

497
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Speaker 2: they highlight a social media personality known as don bosd Vushka,

498
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Speaker 2: which translate as the Donbas Girl. It turns out is

499
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Speaker 2: not in fact a Russian girl, but in fact a

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Speaker 2: former US Navy veteran who served the US Naval Air

501
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Speaker 2: Station until late last year. Even as accounts that she

502
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Speaker 2: had established and supervised glorified the Russian military and the

503
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Speaker 2: paramilitary Wagner Group. Not gonna lie that is definitely super weird,

504
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Speaker 2: she did confirm that she was the administrator of this

505
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Speaker 2: persona and acknowledged even raising funds and hosting podcasters under

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Speaker 2: that name.

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Speaker 3: She was one of the people who did, and.

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Speaker 2: Actually I know a little bit about her because of

509
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Speaker 2: the Telegram. I'd seen that she was one of the

510
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Speaker 2: first people to at least get her hands on some

511
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Speaker 2: of those initial documents, share some of those screenshots that

512
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Speaker 2: were then put out onto Telegram. But again, here the

513
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Speaker 2: journal is focusing in on her.

514
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Speaker 3: They also didn't even do any exclusive reporting this.

515
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Speaker 2: Her identity was revealed online by a bunch of pro

516
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Speaker 2: Ukraine guys known as NAPO. You can find out everything

517
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Speaker 2: you want about that on Twitter if you're interested. But

518
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Speaker 2: the point I think, Crystal, is that what they are

519
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Speaker 2: doing here is tracking people down, like in the chain

520
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Speaker 2: of how the documents themselves came to be exposed, where

521
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Speaker 2: I'm on the front page of the Wall Street Journal

522
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Speaker 2: and I don't see a single story, not one story

523
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Speaker 2: about the documents, not one story. Yeah, it's how can

524
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Speaker 2: they possibly square that? Like, so we're going on to

525
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Speaker 2: done and again sure you know, like, by the way,

526
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Speaker 2: just anybody who's online could have found out about this.

527
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Speaker 2: You don't need the Wall Street Journal because all these

528
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Speaker 2: NAFL guys have been talking about it, and I, you know,

529
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Speaker 2: even follow a few of them.

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Speaker 3: I was aware of it even before they went ahead

531
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Speaker 3: and published this.

532
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Speaker 2: But now it seems that the narrative is that this

533
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Speaker 2: somehow was like a Russian influence op with a distribution like, No,

534
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Speaker 2: it wasn't. It was just people noticed that there are

535
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Speaker 2: docs out there, and then people who were journalists did

536
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Speaker 2: their job and went to go find them to try

537
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Speaker 2: and make sure that we could publish whatever was noteworthy

538
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Speaker 2: within them.

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Speaker 3: That's it. Yeah, such a pretty crazy development.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure there were a lot of folks who

541
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Speaker 1: were very disappointed that the actual leaker wasn't some sort

542
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Speaker 1: of Russian misinformation plug. So I guess this is the

543
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Speaker 1: next post.

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Speaker 6: This is the thing.

545
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Speaker 3: You're right.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, for those.

547
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Speaker 1: Of you who might think I'm a Russian shill, this

548
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Speaker 1: actual Russian shill has me block.

549
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Speaker 4: She has real Russian shills doesn't have me blocked.

550
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Speaker 3: So I guess congratulations, saw my worst critics.

551
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I just look at this and

552
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Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay. The Washing and Post got their little

553
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Speaker 1: piece of the reveal, the leaguer action. You know, they

554
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Speaker 1: were the first up with they talked to the discord people.

555
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Speaker 4: Then the New York Times.

556
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Speaker 1: Got the real scoop, you know, unearthing this guy's identity,

557
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Speaker 1: and it was literally that same day that the FEDS

558
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Speaker 1: arrested him. Like, I mean, they directly assisted in the

559
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Speaker 1: federal government tracking this man down.

560
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Speaker 4: So I guess Wall.

561
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Speaker 1: Street Journal and just had to get their little piece

562
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Speaker 1: of the action here and at least find out who

563
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Speaker 1: was that then shared.

564
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Speaker 4: Them to the Wei.

565
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Speaker 2: There's interesting if people know the documentary Citizen four free

566
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Speaker 2: on YouTube about Snowden has the behind the scenes footage

567
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Speaker 2: of Glenn Greenwald and.

568
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Speaker 3: What's her name, like, Laura, Laura patras Polish, I'd never

569
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Speaker 3: out of pronouncement.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, Laura and Glenn in their initial interactions with Snowden,

571
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Speaker 2: and one of the first things that happens, like when

572
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Speaker 2: the moment they get into the Hong Kong hotel room

573
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Speaker 2: is he's Snowden specifically is like, I don't really want

574
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Speaker 2: the story to be about me. He's like, I know

575
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Speaker 2: that we will eventually get there, but I want to

576
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Speaker 2: leave it up to you. And there was kind of

577
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Speaker 2: a conscious decision that Glenn made in that moment to

578
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Speaker 2: publish one of his first stories on the Guardian website,

579
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Speaker 2: which did not talk about Snowden, because it was only

580
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Speaker 2: after Snowden's idea and he became public that then it

581
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Speaker 2: was a major circus around that, and it wasn't about

582
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Speaker 2: the documents, and snowed To himself was actually very aware

583
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Speaker 2: of how much the media was going to focus in

584
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Speaker 2: on him and his identity specifically. But I thought it

585
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Speaker 2: was important that when we bring Glenn's criticism of.

586
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Speaker 3: All this, this is a guy who did it before.

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Speaker 2: He literally did this and did it and probably the

588
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Speaker 2: best way possible, which was information first, then leaker and

589
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Speaker 2: talking about the discussion there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean there's also I think a real

591
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Speaker 1: ideological valance to the way that the Washington Post New

592
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Speaker 1: York Times reported on the identity of Jack, always foregrounding

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Speaker 1: the fact that he is, like, you know, he's right

594
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Speaker 1: wing ideologically, and he's a gun enthusiast. You're racist now

595
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Speaker 1: posting racist memes. I mean, listen, I don't know what

596
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Speaker 1: memes he was posting. It may well be true, but

597
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Speaker 1: it's also clear attempt to turn their liberal audience against

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Speaker 1: this man, rather than fore grounting the value of the

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Speaker 1: information that he has allowed all of us to access,

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Speaker 1: whether he really intended, which doesn't appear that he did.

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Speaker 1: For this information to get out or not, whether intentionally

602
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Speaker 1: or accidentally, he's done us all a great service, and

603
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Speaker 1: you know, I appreciate it for him.

604
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Speaker 2: Anybody who puts information out there and makes us more informed,

605
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Speaker 2: that person's US state service, and I think to the

606
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Speaker 2: public too. So look, my heart goes out to the guy,

607
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 2: just because, look, twenty one years old, if frontal cortex

608
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Speaker 2: is barely developed.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, I'm not saying he didn't know. What he would

610
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Speaker 3: did was wrong and obviously broke his oath and all

611
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Speaker 3: of that, but man, it's sad. It's sad when young

612
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Speaker 3: kids spend their entire lives in jail.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see how it all works out. Let's go

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Speaker 2: to Ron DeSantis here some major developments in the state

615
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Speaker 2: of Florida, where we had brought you the news before

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Speaker 2: that the six week abortion band was making its way

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Speaker 2: through the Florida Legislature. Ron DeSantis had indicated previously he

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Speaker 2: was going to sign it. Now the circumstances of the

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Speaker 2: signing themselves, though, indicate a little bit about how much

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Speaker 2: DeSantis he and his team know exactly how popular this is.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead and put this up there on the screen,

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Speaker 2: as they say, here does not exactly screen confidence in

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Speaker 2: the pol politics of the band. That DeSantis enacted it

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Speaker 2: in a private ceremony announced by tweet at eleven pm

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Speaker 2: Eastern Time.

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Speaker 3: On a Friday, on a Friday.

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Speaker 2: That is about as that is about as Friday news dump.

628
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Speaker 2: Trying to cover up as much as possible. They went

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Speaker 2: out of their way to make sure that there are

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Speaker 2: only women who were at the ceremony. But listen, I

631
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Speaker 2: mean I don't think that you can really Also, there

632
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Speaker 2: was no press conference and Ron has never met a

633
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Speaker 2: camera that he isn't love.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so loves himself a good it loves.

635
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Speaker 3: Himself a good press conference.

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Speaker 2: And we're going after cbdc's or you know, CRT all

637
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Speaker 2: that stuff.

638
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Speaker 3: That stuff is actually popular.

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Speaker 2: This one, well, I think I think he knows exactly

640
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Speaker 2: what it is.

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Speaker 3: Six week abortion band in the state of Florida.

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Speaker 2: And this is really fascinating because as we already know,

643
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Speaker 2: currently this is just the Florida University of North Florida.

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Speaker 2: Late February, seventy five percent of Florida residents are either

645
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Speaker 2: vote somewhat or strongly opposed to the bill, including sixty

646
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Speaker 2: one percent of Republicans. And I think this is always

647
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Speaker 2: important to underscore where these people are so hamstrung by

648
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Speaker 2: the evangelical right on a national political level and specifically

649
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Speaker 2: in a Republican primary, that they really see so they

650
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Speaker 2: see more downside from pissing off an activist portion of

651
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Speaker 2: the base than people who are probably going to go

652
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Speaker 2: along somewhat or even the median voter in.

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Speaker 3: Terms of the politics of it.

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Speaker 2: And there is no question in my mind this is

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Speaker 2: the single most unpopular thing that Ron DeSantis has ever done.

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Speaker 2: And interestingly enough, it's one of the only ones though

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Speaker 2: that he's being cheered for amongst conservative media figures and

658
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Speaker 2: not any of the criticism. But we know electorally this

659
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Speaker 2: is a nightmare. It's a disaster. You know, people in

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Speaker 2: Florida do not support this. People nationally also.

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Speaker 3: Really don't support it.

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Speaker 2: I know the arguments about you know why, political polling,

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Speaker 2: et cetera, from the evangelicals who support this stuff. Listen,

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Speaker 2: that's your right, you can believe what you want. I'm

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Speaker 2: talking about purely on a political basis. Yeah, it's clear

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Speaker 2: that this is not popular in that state, and we

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Speaker 2: know for sure nationally.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, it's devastatingly unpopular. I mean, it's up there

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Speaker 1: with you know, the things that have been direct like

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Speaker 1: defund the police. Right, it is almost as unpopular as

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Speaker 1: something like you know, if you imagine if a National

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Speaker 1: Democrat actually pass defund the police statewide into law and

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Speaker 1: is seen as a top contender for the presidency, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, how you.

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Speaker 4: Would view this.

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Speaker 1: That's basically how you should view this as well. But

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Speaker 1: there is such a powerful and very organized constituency within

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Speaker 1: the Republican base, even though it's a you know, a

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Speaker 1: pretty small minority of the Republican base that actually wants

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Speaker 1: this level of ban pass. They may be open to

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Speaker 1: like fifteen week ban or something like that in the

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Speaker 1: Republican base, but six week ban is basically a complete ban.

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Speaker 4: Most people don't even know they're pregnant at six weeks, right.

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Speaker 4: There are exceptions here for rape.

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Speaker 1: And incess, so you know, just to get into the

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Speaker 1: specifics of the law, but you actually you have to

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Speaker 1: prove that you were raped, you have to prove that

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Speaker 1: the child is a product of incest, which is, you know,

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Speaker 1: in and of itself sort of like dehumanizing and you know,

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Speaker 1: sort of grotesque. So it is a very extreme law

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Speaker 1: that has been put into place, which politics of that

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Speaker 1: are really important, and the reality of it is also

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Speaker 1: really important. And the way that the reality is going

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Speaker 1: to make it even more politically unpopular, I think is

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Speaker 1: noteworthy here as well. But saccar to your point about

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Speaker 1: the way that this is such a difficult issue for

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Speaker 1: Republican politicians because of where the public is versus where

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Speaker 1: this group of highly organized activists are, which have really

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Speaker 1: been a driving force within the Republican Party for years

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Speaker 1: and years. New presidential contender Tim Scott has really sort

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Speaker 1: of wrapped himself around a wheel with all of this.

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Speaker 1: He clearly knows how unpopular things like a six week

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Speaker 1: ban are, but he also knows that he's got pressure

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Speaker 1: from this, you know, activist base inside the Republican part

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Speaker 1: He's always framed himself as a very, very very pro

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Speaker 1: life person. But when he first announced for that he

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Speaker 1: was forming his presdential Exploratory Committee, he had asked by

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Speaker 1: a number of reporters what he would do at the

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Speaker 1: federal level. Would he pass a national abortion ban? Is

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Speaker 1: there other legislation that he would support at a national level?

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Speaker 1: And he was a mess in terms of trying to

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Speaker 1: respond to any of this.

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Speaker 7: Take a listen, Yeah, sir, would you support a federal

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Speaker 7: ban on abortions?

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Speaker 8: I would simply say that the fact of the matter is,

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Speaker 8: when you look at the issue of abortion, one of

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Speaker 8: the challenges that we have, we continue to go to

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Speaker 8: the most restrictive conversations without broadening the scope and taking

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Speaker 8: a look at the fact that I'm one hundred percent

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Speaker 8: pro life. I never walk away from that. But the

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Speaker 8: truth of the matter is that when you look at

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Speaker 8: the issues on abortion, I start with the various important

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Speaker 8: conversation I had in a banking hearing when I was

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Speaker 8: sitting in my office and listening to Janet Yell and

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Speaker 8: the Secretary of the Treasury talk about increasing the labor

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Speaker 8: force participation rate for African American women who are in

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Speaker 8: poverty by having abortions. I think we're just having the

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Speaker 8: wrong conversation.

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Speaker 4: And he goes on from it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you brought up Janny Yellen, like, literally, what

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Speaker 1: are you talking about? And that report I think is

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Speaker 1: a Newsmax reporter, like pressed him, and he continued to

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Speaker 1: just sort of word salad his way through it.

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Speaker 4: And that was not the only.

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Speaker 1: Exchange he had on this issue where he just felt

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Speaker 1: flat on his face.

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Speaker 2: Soccer, Yeah, let's go and take a listen to that.

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Speaker 2: It was with Ali Vitally over at NBC. Now he

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Speaker 2: is completely doing an about face after a pressure from

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Speaker 2: the base.

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say. But is six weeks

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Speaker 3: the right mile marker?

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Speaker 8: Well, the people have decided that their elected leaders have

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Speaker 8: the opportunity to do so. So I say absolutely, as

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Speaker 8: the culture of life is being protected, we should celebrate that.

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Speaker 8: States will have different varying views on that. But yes,

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Speaker 8: if I were in president of the United States, I

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Speaker 8: would literally sign the most conservative Poe life legislation that

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Speaker 8: they can get through Congress.

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Speaker 3: Even if it was six weeks.

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Speaker 8: I'm not going to talk about six or five or

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Speaker 8: seven or ten. I'm just saying that whatever the most

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Speaker 8: conservative legislation is that can come through Congress.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, most conservative that would come through Congress. I

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Speaker 2: mean pretty much ties him into even a ban. You know,

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Speaker 2: if they're like, theoretically, let's say they nuke the filibuster,

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Speaker 2: they agree on a ban and it gets through a

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Speaker 2: Republican House, is that something that you would sign.

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Speaker 3: He's now opened himself up. Yeah, good luck.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is what I always think whenever I

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Speaker 2: look at this. You know, for all the talk of

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Speaker 2: defund the police, which is extraordinarily unpopular, Republicans appear to

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Speaker 2: have found their own defund the police, unlike DEM's I

764
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Speaker 2: guess atret sticking with it til the end, we'll see

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Speaker 2: hasn't worked yet on a single statewide ballot. Every single

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Speaker 2: statewide or local race that has come onto abortion has

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Speaker 2: gone the Democratic way. It's been a massive electoral disaster

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Speaker 2: for many Republicans on the ticket all the way, you know,

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Speaker 2: all the way down to like the county level.

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Speaker 3: I've seen in some cases.

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Speaker 2: In terms of Ron DeSantis too, this is an interesting

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Speaker 2: one where there's this whole idea that he's more electable

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Speaker 2: than Trump. But about himself, I don't think he's even

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Speaker 2: close to Ron DeSantis on this issue, despite having a

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Speaker 2: point of the justices for that overturned Row versus Wade,

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Speaker 2: which is a good segue, I think to our second

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Speaker 2: part here, where Trump is in secret meetings with the

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Speaker 2: religious right, is trying to convince them we all need

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Speaker 2: to shut up about abortion. Let's go and put this

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Speaker 2: up there on the screen. Trump has been holding private

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Speaker 2: meetings with religious figures to remind them about his abortion

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Speaker 2: record and to ensure their support. However, instead of thanking

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Speaker 2: Trump for his role in repealing rovers wad, the leaders

784
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Speaker 2: are pressing him for commitments to go beyond what he

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Speaker 2: is comfortable with and that he thinks voters will not

786
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Speaker 2: allow him to get away with. According to two participants

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Speaker 2: who have been in meetings with Trump, Trump has warned

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Speaker 2: leaders in these conversations that Republicans quote risk losing big

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Speaker 2: in Trump's words, unless they follow his lead. He has

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Speaker 2: warned leaders to shift their own messaging, telling him to

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Speaker 2: always emphasize exceptions to bans and in the case of rape,

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Speaker 2: incest or threat to the life and the mother. Trump

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Speaker 2: has stressed his twenty twenty four plan it is necessary

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Speaker 2: to prevent Democrats from painting him as an extremist. He

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Speaker 2: has also conceded that big losses have already begun and

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Speaker 2: for several weeks vented to confidence that GOP is quote

797
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Speaker 2: getting killed on abortion or quote on the abortion issue.

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Speaker 2: So there's a reason once again that Trump did not

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Speaker 2: mention abortion one time. Not once did he mention ro

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Speaker 2: versus weight in his twenty twenty four announcement.

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Speaker 3: He also didn't mention stop the steal.

802
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Speaker 2: Internally, he knows exactly what is the least popular that he.

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Speaker 3: Is tied to.

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Speaker 2: And I think that you compare this to his previous

805
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Speaker 2: to his contenders like Dysantis and Tim Scott, and then

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Speaker 2: you also compare them on the issues of Medicare and

807
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Speaker 2: social security issues, where DeSantis and Tim Scott or Nikki

808
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: Haley and all these people are to the right of him.

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Speaker 2: Trump is much more of the centrist candidate in some

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Speaker 2: ways in this race outside I guess his own personality,

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Speaker 2: but that's always been the point.

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Speaker 5: Ye.

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Speaker 3: And he is electable.

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Speaker 2: He's much more electable in many ways than some of

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Speaker 2: these other traditional Republicans.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and in some ways, the damage on this issue

817
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Speaker 1: in terms of the Republican Party has already been done,

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Speaker 1: even as Trump is trying to persuade religious right leaders,

819
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Speaker 1: which is good luck with this that they need to

820
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Speaker 1: not push for anything more at the federal level. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they view this, This is not my view, but they

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Speaker 1: view this as like a genocide, as an atrocity that's unfolding.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they some of them are not just political actors.

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Speaker 1: They have a genuine moral view on this, and so

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Speaker 1: they are not going to be satisfied with Well, let

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Speaker 1: California do what they want and let Alabama do what

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Speaker 1: they want. And there's actually a new poll out that

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Speaker 1: has pulling both on the abortion pill. That was, you know,

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Speaker 1: they put in an injunction at the Texas judge did,

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Speaker 1: and the Supreme Court said, We're going to let things

831
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Speaker 1: stand as they are right now and allow access to

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Speaker 1: this abortion pill in states where it is legal. It

833
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Speaker 1: shows overwhelmingly that Americans think it should be the pill

834
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Speaker 1: should be available in states where it is legal. But

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Speaker 1: it also shows in that same poll that a majority

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Speaker 1: of Americans already think that it is the Republican Party's

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Speaker 1: plan to ban abortion nationwide. So regardless of little messaging

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Speaker 1: tweaks or them trying to say, oh, we really want

839
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Speaker 1: to leave it up to the states, regardless of the

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Speaker 1: fact that you haven't had you know, one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: of Republican elected officials or anywhere close to it say

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Speaker 1: that they want to push for a nationwide abortion ban.

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Speaker 1: This is already where a majority of the public, it's

844
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Speaker 1: relatively fifty to fifty right now split, but this is

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Speaker 1: where a majority of the public believes that the Republican

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Speaker 1: Party wants to take things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it reminds me again of the defund conversation. Everyone

848
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Speaker 2: was like, no, I don't support that, and a lot

849
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Speaker 2: of voters were like, well, you know, like.

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Speaker 3: You used to use the word valance earlier.

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Speaker 2: It's a very important one, Like well, you know, in

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Speaker 2: terms of valance, like I think that you used to

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Speaker 2: sympathize with it more than don't.

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Speaker 3: And that's unpopular and I'm going to penalize you for it.

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Speaker 2: And that's basically the same thing that's happening here with abortion,

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Speaker 2: and it also comes on the heels of an outbreak

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Speaker 2: of open warfare between both sides. The Trump super Pack

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Speaker 2: has released a new a going after Ron DeSantis, calling

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Speaker 2: him putting fingers in reference to a report that DeSantis

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Speaker 2: didn't have a spoon on an airplane eight pudding with

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Speaker 2: his fingers.

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Speaker 3: Here's what they have to say.

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Speaker 9: Ron DeSantis loves sticking his fingers where they don't belong.

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Speaker 9: And we're not just talking about pudding. DeSantis has his

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Speaker 9: dirty fingers all over senior entitlements, like cutting medicare, slashing

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Speaker 9: social Security, even raising our retirement age. Tell Ron DeSantis

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Speaker 9: to keep his putting fingers off our money. Oh, instantly,

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Speaker 9: get this man a spoon.

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Speaker 3: I'll mean tis by that ads. Okay, yeah, definitely weird.

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Speaker 1: This is a new am klobash are eating a salad

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Speaker 1: with the home which is equally disgusting ivantry.

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Speaker 2: Obviously this was targeted more to an online audience for

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Speaker 2: fizing and all that to get a rise out of him.

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Speaker 1: Although watching it again, it was sort of targeted at both.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes campaigns will put out odds that are more just

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Speaker 1: meant to go viral online and generate fundraising, which I

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Speaker 1: think the putting reference like a lot of people aren't

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Speaker 1: going to get. But the Social Security and medicare messaging, on.

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Speaker 4: The other hand, that is for a general.

880
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Speaker 1: Broader audience for persuasion, not just for generating fundraising.

881
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 4: So I think it's kind of designed to do both.

882
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: I agree with you and the DeSantis one. The response

883
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 2: has just been incredibly weak. This is what they came

884
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: up with for their first attack ad on Donald Trump.

885
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 10: Donald Trump is being attacked by a Democrat prosecutor in

886
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 10: New York, So why is he spending millions attacking the

887
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 10: Republican governor of Florida. Trump's stealing pages from the Biden

888
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 10: Pelosi playbook, repeating lies about social Security. Here's the truth

889
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 10: from Governor Ron DeSantis.

890
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 11: Now, we're not going to mess with social security as Republican.

891
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 10: What did Trump say?

892
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 3: Entitlements ever be on your plane?

893
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: At some point they will be.

894
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 10: We will take a look at this. Trump should fight Democrats,

895
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 10: not lie about Governor DeSantis. What happened to Donald Trump?

896
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 10: Never back doing is responsible for the contents of this.

897
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: I mean, look like, I guess on the merits fair,

898
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: but it just didn't seem like a weak ad. And

899
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 2: I've also seen other ones that DeSantis has released, or

900
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 2: that DeSantis super Pac has released.

901
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: What did they say?

902
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 2: Basically attacking Trump for caving to the gun lobby. They're like,

903
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: Trump doesn't really have the back of the NRA. And

904
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 2: Trump was literally speaking at the NRA the same day

905
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: that they released. Yeah, and the NRA twut out a

906
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: tweet calling him a lifetime like gold member.

907
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 3: So clearly the NRA still really likes Trump.

908
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 2: I don't think you're going to convince NRA members that

909
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 2: Trump was somehow bad.

910
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 3: I just don't see it.

911
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: I also think the framing of that, like he didn't

912
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: just follow lockstep with a powerful Washington lobby is off right.

913
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: If you want to say he's not protecting like, you know,

914
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: people's rights, and he failed us in various regards where

915
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: you're talking about the actual people he failed, not that

916
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: he like let the NRA down.

917
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 4: I don't know. I thought it was weird framing.

918
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: I also think, listen, the thing with any sort of

919
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: political attack is it has to be believable. And I

920
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: just don't think that the uh Trump isn't pro gun

921
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 1: enough or the n RAY doesn't like him enough attack

922
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: is really gonna land with a Republican base. I don't

923
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: think it has enough believability about it.

924
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 4: The issue with Trump and attacking him.

925
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 1: Is always the fact that, you know, the things that

926
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: most of the population really hates him for are kind

927
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,479
Speaker 1: of popular with the Republican base.

928
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

929
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: So you know, the thing that people really overwhelmingly object

930
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: to is like, you know, to his rejection of the

931
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: norms and his nastiness and his personal vindictiveness and all

932
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: of those sorts of things.

933
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 4: But you know, good luck.

934
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: Selling a Republican base on that's a reason to move

935
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: away from him. I just, you know, I don't think

936
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 1: that that's ultimately going to sell, And that's why they're

937
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: struggling to come up with some sort of a coherent

938
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: attack against him that's actually going to land and not

939
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: lead to actually a giant backlash against you. Because that's

940
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: the other thing that we've seen is when DeSantis tries

941
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: down any of his little passive aggressive jabs, there's a

942
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: huge backlash against him. I saw a smart analysis about

943
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: how part of what is so impossible for him is

944
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: that his theoretical coalition is peeling away people that still

945
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 1: like Trump but just you know, for whatever reason, think

946
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: he'll be better or less.

947
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 4: Chaos or whatever.

948
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: But there's still pro Trump and people who are like

949
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: in the Liz Cheney vein of just totally anti Trump.

950
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: And this is a coalition that is very difficult to

951
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: figure out how to pull together because they have really

952
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: different ideologies and really different views of the country, really

953
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: different views of Trump obviously, and what his time in

954
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: office actually meant and what his you know, accomplishments or

955
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 1: failures were. So I think it makes it really hard

956
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: for DeSantis to try to figure out how to navigate

957
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: these waters.

958
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 3: I think you're right there.

959
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 2: I've always thought it's an impossible task on most part

960
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: of the reason why I don't think you'll win, But look,

961
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: I guess we could be wrong. We'll see, there's no

962
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: doubt about it or the that's where the race stands

963
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 2: at least right.

964
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 4: Now, Yeah, that's what makes it interesting.

965
00:44:59,440 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 3: All right.

966
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: Some new developments with regard to Justice Thomas. Last week

967
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,479
Speaker 1: we brought you that extensive Pro Public report about how,

968
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: over literally decades, he was receiving elaborate gifts and going

969
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 1: on fully paid vacations courtesy of this one billionaire named

970
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 1: Harlan Crow. One of the trips to Indonesia alone, which

971
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: you know he flew there on a private jet and

972
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: sailed around on a luxury yacht. That one trip alone

973
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: would have cost him half a million dollars if he

974
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: had paid for it out of pocket. Every single year

975
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: he's going and staying at this dude's private resort, none

976
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: of it disclosed, none of it on his financial disclosures,

977
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: which you know it definitely should have been. Well, now

978
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: we have another piece that in some ways is even

979
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: more clearcut. This is also from Pro PUBLICA. Let's put

980
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: this up on the screen, so they say billionaire Harlan Crow,

981
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: which is the same dude who was like sailing Clarence

982
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 1: Thomas all around the world.

983
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 4: He bought property from.

984
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas, and the Justice did not disclose the deal. Now,

985
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: the reason I say this is claire cut is this

986
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: is a very clear cut violation of the Ethics Code

987
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: and the legal requirements of what.

988
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 4: Justices are supposed to disclose.

989
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: Any real estate transaction where money exchanges hands over like

990
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: one thousand dollars has to be disclosed. There are very

991
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 1: few exceptions, and this particular transaction does not even come

992
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: close to meeting the definition of any of the exceptions.

993
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: So let me read you here some of the specifics

994
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: they say in ProPublica. In twenty fourteen, one of Texas

995
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: billionaire Harlan Crow's companies purchased a string of properties on

996
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: a quiet residential street in Savannah, Georgia. Was not a

997
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: marquee acquisition for the real estate magnate, just a single

998
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: story home and two vacant lots down the road. What

999
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: made it noteworthy were the people on the other side

1000
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: of the deal, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas and his relatives.

1001
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: The transaction marks the first known instance of money flowing

1002
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: from the Republican mega downer to the Supreme Court justice

1003
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 1: the Crow company. He bought the properties for one hundred

1004
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: and thirty three thousand, three hundred and sixty three dollars

1005
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: from three co owners, Thomas, his mother, and the family

1006
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: of Thomas's late brother, according to state tax documents.

1007
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,720
Speaker 4: Now here's the law. A federal disclosure law.

1008
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: That was passed after Watergate requires justices and other officials

1009
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: to disclose the details of most real estate sales over

1010
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: one thousand dollars. And again, this was for about one

1011
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty thousand dollars. He never disclosed this sale.

1012
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: For ethics, law experts say this appears to be a

1013
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: violation of the law. Thomas didn't respond. Harlan Crowe did respond.

1014
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: He said that he had purchased thomas mother's house, where

1015
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: Thomas spent part of his childhood.

1016
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 4: To preserve it for posterity. Quote.

1017
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: My intention is to one day create a public museum

1018
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: at the Thomas home dedicated to telling the story of

1019
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: our nation second Black Supreme Court justice. You know, in

1020
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: terms of the relevant laws, the intent of Harlan crow

1021
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: here really doesn't matter. But that's his explanation of the transaction.

1022
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: And I also thought this was an important analysis from

1023
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: another legal ethics expert, who said the failure to report

1024
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: the transactions suggests Thomas was hiding a financial relationship with Crow,

1025
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: especially when you add it together with the fact that

1026
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: you had the failure to disclose all these vacations and

1027
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 1: gifts at you know, high level of value over years.

1028
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,720
Speaker 1: Here you have an actual exchange of money, very clear

1029
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: cut situation fere and this also not disclosed. The very

1030
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: latest I saw this morning, saga is that Justice Thomas

1031
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: plans to now amend his disclosure forms to include this transaction,

1032
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: which is a recognition that you know, he screwed up

1033
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: by not doing this. But I would also say, you know,

1034
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: this comes on top of not just the latest pro

1035
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: public revelations. Justice Thomas has had to amend his financial

1036
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: disclosures many times in the past because of not because

1037
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: he wants to do it willingly. He discovers an error

1038
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: that he's got to clean up. No, because reporters forced

1039
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 1: him to. He didn't disclose his wife's employment detail at

1040
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: a number of conservative organizations for years, like the entire

1041
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 1: early two thousands. Basically he didn't disclose that employment until

1042
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: again reports came out and forced him to reveal what

1043
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: was going on. And we even have another piece that

1044
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: we can show you as well from the Washington Post.

1045
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: This one, again, you might say, is less of a

1046
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: big deal. I don't know, depending on how you read it.

1047
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: But the fact that it comes on top of all

1048
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: these other revelations just paints a picture of someone who

1049
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: is willfully hiding the reality of his financial situation. So

1050
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: their headline here is that Clarence Thomas has for years

1051
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 1: claimed income from a defunct real estate firm. What happened

1052
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: is he was receiving income from another real estate firm

1053
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: that one goes under.

1054
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 4: They form a new related.

1055
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: Company, but it has a new name, it's incorporated in

1056
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: a different way. There are different people who are involved,

1057
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: and he never changes over to the new company. So

1058
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: to the tune of hundreds of thousand sins of dollars,

1059
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,720
Speaker 1: he is, you know, his financial disclosures are effectively hiding

1060
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: the real company that he is benefiting receiving this financial

1061
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: benefit from which you know, can be significant if there

1062
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: are people involved, you a business in front of the court,

1063
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: et cetera.

1064
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 4: So that's the very latest.

1065
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean I think that there's just no

1066
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 2: way around it. Like when you pay a guy for

1067
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 2: a house and you don't report it, that's pretty bad.

1068
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 2: It also comes down this is such a per This

1069
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 2: is the other thing. Private real estate transaction is one

1070
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 2: of those where did he pay fare market value or not?

1071
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 2: I mean, there really is. It's a tough one to

1072
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 2: assess because in twenty thirteen Harlan crow bought a pair

1073
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 2: of properties on the same block for a total of

1074
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 2: forty thousand dollars. But in this case he paid one

1075
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty three thousand dollars for four separate properties.

1076
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 2: And then you know, again, whatever your intention, well it's

1077
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 2: pretty odd because let's say you are preserving it for posterity,

1078
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 2: then well, wouldn't you want to sell the house after

1079
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 2: your mother has died? Because now it looks like Harlan

1080
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 2: Crowe was actually making improvements to the house while his

1081
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 2: larly mother was living inside of it. I mean that's

1082
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 2: a little bit of an in kind help, you know, listen,

1083
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 2: I mean costs a lot of money to take care

1084
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:07,959
Speaker 2: of old people. They want to stay in the house,

1085
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 2: Like you want to make improvements to that. Now you

1086
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 2: got a billionaire who's paying for that. Now it's something

1087
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 2: that's off your chest. It's like, well, technically not a

1088
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: direct exchange, but definitely a major benefit to your quality

1089
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 2: of life. It's possible that he does, you know, make one.

1090
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 2: But at the same time, he bought two empty plots

1091
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 2: in the area and then sold them off from his

1092
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 2: property because he said that the developers were going to

1093
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 2: build something that kept the historical integrity of the neighborhood.

1094
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: It's like, well, hold honest, like you said you bought

1095
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 2: them for to preserve posterity. So why did you buy

1096
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Speaker 2: the empty lots then just because the Clarence Thomas has

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Speaker 2: had them and I guess they needed the cash.

1098
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Speaker 3: Like what's up with that? I mean, then you include.

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Speaker 2: The Washington Post story where he's clearly just not abiding

1100
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Speaker 2: by the letter of the law, and I think that

1101
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: really matters. I mean, everybody was talking about so at

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00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 2: Harlan crow One they were like, well, he didn't technically

1103
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 2: have to disclose it. I'm like, listen, like you really

1104
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 2: think it's ill to be going on half million dollar vacations?

1105
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 3: Like do you really think that is okay?

1106
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 2: If you were a conservative and RBG was doing corrupt

1107
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 2: stuff like that, which she was, would you really be

1108
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 2: okay with that? No, you wouldn't like and or Stephen

1109
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 2: Bryer or any of these people. All of this needs

1110
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 2: to be out in the open so that we have transparency,

1111
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 2: and if they do vote in it, you know, in

1112
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 2: a way that appears to align with their actual financial interests,

1113
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 2: then at the very least, like you should be able

1114
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 2: to know that in Congress to be able to take

1115
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 2: action if they want to. So I personally find it

1116
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 2: disgusting a lot of the defense of this. It is

1117
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: just clear cut, you know, appearance of corruption and possible

1118
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 2: corruption itself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know another way to say it.

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Speaker 4: No, I mean that's right.

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Speaker 1: And listen, if it was one little slip up, yeah,

1122
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: you go to you know, you could extend some some grace, right, Like, Okay,

1123
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: everybody messes up, even Supreme Court justices who're supposed to

1124
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: be like.

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Speaker 4: The final word on the law of the land.

1126
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Speaker 1: Even they could slip up on the financial disclosure reforms.

1127
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: He fixed it, all, right, let's move on. But you're

1128
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: talking about infraction after like failure after failure to the

1129
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: tune of hiding literally millions of dollars in benefit that

1130
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: he received from Harlan Crowe in particular.

1131
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 4: But you had him hiding the employment details of his wife.

1132
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 4: You had him.

1133
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: Failing to report reimbursements for trips to speak at law

1134
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: schools that he had to amend his twenty twenty forms

1135
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: for You have now the real estate company screw up.

1136
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: You have him not reporting the one hundred and thirty

1137
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: thousand dollars he got from this property sale, and you're

1138
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: so right sober that this is like actually a pretty

1139
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: classic clearcut standard operating procedure of potential corruption. Matt Bevin,

1140
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: the former Kentucky governor, he got caught in a similar

1141
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 1: kind of a situation where he had a real estate

1142
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: transaction with one of his largest donors that appeared to

1143
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: not be at fair market value, which is like, oh,

1144
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: this is just a way of you like straight up

1145
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: giving money to this individual. Now is that what's going

1146
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: on here? We don't know, but guess what the public

1147
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: deserves to know. You have a legal requirement to know.

1148
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,879
Speaker 1: And at this point, with so many screw ups over

1149
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: the years, there has to be a fullsome investigation because

1150
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: you have to look and go, well, what else is

1151
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 1: going on here that we don't know about that journalists

1152
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 1: haven't been able to get their hands on to force

1153
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: and shame him into actually updating his forms and discolos

1154
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: and reality of what's going on here. So yeah, this

1155
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: is utterly disgraceful. It's also insane that Supreme Court justices

1156
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: do not have a code of ethics the way that

1157
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: every other judge in the entire country does, and very

1158
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,439
Speaker 1: clearly that needs to be instituted immediately, and there needs

1159
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: to be a full investigation and what other sort of

1160
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: financial entanglements, just as Thomas.

1161
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 3: May have no question about it whatsoever.

1162
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: Okay, So the other piece we've been reporting on is

1163
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 1: Senator Feinstein, who's the oldest member of the Senate, has

1164
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: not been doing her job. She hasn't been in Washington

1165
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: for votes forever since actually since we last heard from

1166
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: her was you know, she decided not to run for reelection,

1167
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: which she immediately forgot about and had.

1168
00:54:58,200 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 4: To be reminded of by her aids.

1169
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: So ever since then, she hasn't been in Washington able

1170
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: in order to vote on anything. She's on a really

1171
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: key committee, which is a judiciary committee.

1172
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Speaker 4: They need her vote in order to move forward with

1173
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 4: any judges.

1174
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Speaker 1: And you know, everybody has basically kept quiet about this.

1175
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: I saw a bunch of Democratic senators on Sunday get

1176
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: pressed about whether or not she should go ahead and

1177
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: resign so it or see could be filled and Californians

1178
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: could have a second representative.

1179
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 4: Kirsten Gillibrand was like a hard no. I respect her

1180
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 4: to buy her. She's great.

1181
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: I can't believe you're asking this to others sort of

1182
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: Hempden had and wouldn't really say anything about it. Commerson Rocana,

1183
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 1: to his credit, who is a fellow Californian, he has

1184
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 1: been very clear in saying, you know, this is outrageous

1185
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: and it's time for her to resign, like you know, in.

1186
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 4: A respectful way.

1187
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: But he was asked again about this on Fox News

1188
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: and he stood his ground. Take a listen to what

1189
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: he had to say.

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Speaker 11: All in Washington, would you get criticized for saying something

1191
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 11: so obvious? I have a lot of respect for Senator Feinstein,

1192
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 11: but she's missed seventy five percent of votes this year.

1193
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 11: She hasn't been showing up, and she has no intention.

1194
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 11: We don't know if she's even going to show up.

1195
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 11: She has no return date. In contrast, Senator Fetterman has

1196
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 11: said that he's going to show back up on April seventeen.

1197
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 11: So it's one thing to take medical leave and come back.

1198
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 11: It's another thing where you're just not doing the job.

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Speaker 11: The reality here is there's the sense, well, you need

1200
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 11: to have a deference to these senators who serves along.

1201
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 11: How about a deference to the American people. How about

1202
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 11: an expectation that if you sign up to do one

1203
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 11: of these jobs, you show up.

1204
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 3: He's right, well said, there's no question.

1205
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 2: But you know, actually, and I'm not defending Fetterman because

1206
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 2: I also do think it's crazy to bake get elected.

1207
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 3: Lee for two months.

1208
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 2: That said, with Feinstein in particular, the damage is actually

1209
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 2: worse to the overall Democratic If you're a Democrat, you

1210
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 2: should be outraged. Here's why she's on the Judicial Committee.

1211
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 2: She cannot vote to put judges go forward. Now, christl

1212
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 2: what was one of the main things that Trump did

1213
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 2: while he was in office the Republican Senate to stack

1214
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 2: the federal Judiciary with Mitch McConnell. Chuck Schumer wants to

1215
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 2: do the exact same thing. The Senate is in standstill.

1216
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 2: Here's the other thing Feinstein tried to say that she

1217
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 2: was being responsible to, like I have asked Senator Schumer

1218
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 2: to let me take off the Judiciary Committee and put

1219
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,439
Speaker 2: somebody else on. Guess what, guys, you need sixty votes

1220
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 2: to do that. You really think the Republicans are gonna

1221
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, cool.

1222
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 4: We want to We'll go ahead and leber justices on

1223
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 4: the bench.

1224
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 2: They're like nah, They're like Feinstein, if you don't want

1225
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 2: if you want somebody to replace you, you're gonna have

1226
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 2: to resign. Otherwise we're gonna sit here and watch you

1227
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 2: guys squirm for months.

1228
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 3: And you know this is valuable time.

1229
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 2: This is where you need the every single Democratic vote

1230
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 2: in the in the committee even to be able to

1231
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 2: advance it to the.

1232
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 3: Floor before they're able to move forward.

1233
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 2: So really, Finstein is standing in the way of one

1234
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 2: of the only clear cut victories that a democratic president

1235
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 2: can have in divided government. So again, if you're a

1236
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 2: Democratic voter, you should be outreached.

1237
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: Yes at this woman, and obviously I mean lgbt Q

1238
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: writes what happens with abortion, like any number of decisions

1239
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: are happening at this federal judge level that are very

1240
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: important to Democratic voters.

1241
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 4: The way that Roe in.

1242
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: Particular has been attacked over his honest and reasonable comments

1243
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: on this has been astounding. Take a look at this

1244
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: from Nancy Pelosi put this up on the screen. So

1245
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: she said that anyone who was calling for Feinstein to

1246
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: resign was basically sexist and it was politically motivated. What

1247
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: she said is quote, it's interesting to me, I don't

1248
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: know what political agendas are at work that are going

1249
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: after Senator Feinstein in that way. I've never seen them

1250
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: go after a man who was sick in the Senate

1251
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: in that way. So did she say Rocana's name directly?

1252
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 6: No?

1253
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 4: Does everyone know who this is about? Yes?

1254
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: And that's why I really give Rowe credit here, because

1255
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi is first of all, another fellow Californian, very

1256
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: influential obviously in California, but in the country overall, and

1257
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: still in the Democratic Caucus. Even though you know, Keem

1258
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: Jefferies has now got the title, she still really runs

1259
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: the show in terms of the Democratic Party. And she

1260
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: is basically flat out calling him a sexist for saying

1261
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: the obvious thing that this is really detrimental to California

1262
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: and it's really detrimental to you know, Democrats who want

1263
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: to have their like minded judges on the bench.

1264
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 4: But that wasn't all political.

1265
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: Published this incredibly bitchy piece that had sounded a lot

1266
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,479
Speaker 1: of similar notes with all of these like anonymous quotes. Again,

1267
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: these ones going directly after Rocana, which he hit back

1268
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: at to. By the way, put this up on the

1269
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: screen from Politico. The headline is Diane Feinstein digs in

1270
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: the senator's confidence and allies scoff at her detractors and

1271
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: are firing back. So let me read you a little

1272
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: bit bit of this. They say, fine, Teine's allies view

1273
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: the calls for her to quit as leaced with agism, sexism,

1274
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: ideological disputes, and checked political opportunism.

1275
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 4: And there's considerable anger.

1276
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: Being directed at her detractors for not exercising patients during

1277
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: a difficult time while showing her the respect they think

1278
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: she's earned. Here's one of those anonymous quotes from some

1279
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: California Democrat, Roekanna has no influence on her whatsoever. Feinstein

1280
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: is not going to respond to pressure. And they also

1281
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: suggest in this piece that Roe's real aims here are

1282
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: They've got this like forty chess thing laid down where

1283
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: he's backing Barbara Lee for Senate. Yes, apparently, Gavin Newsom

1284
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: said at some point if he was going to make

1285
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: an appointment, he would appoint a black woman to that

1286
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:41,919
Speaker 1: Senate seat.

1287
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 4: So the idea is that Roe is.

1288
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: Trying to push out Diane Feinstein to get his preferred

1289
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: candidate in the Senate, even though Barbara Lee herself has

1290
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: sounded actually very different notes on this whole question.

1291
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1292
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: I find it a little bit far fetched to believe

1293
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: that he's engaged in this like forty chest not even

1294
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: on behalf of himself, but in behalf of some candidate

1295
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: that he's endorsed.

1296
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, this nuts, Like, what are you talking about, lady, Listen,

1297
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 2: The whole thing is insane.

1298
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 3: The fact that he's being attacked. It just shows you that.

1299
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 2: Even one of the most clear cut nutso cases where

1300
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 2: this person should not be in this job whatsoever, that

1301
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 2: because of institutional reverence and identity politics, they're going yeah,

1302
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 2: bad for her.

1303
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 3: Pelosi in particular, what a disgusting comment. Seriously is it.

1304
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 4: Really enrages me?

1305
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: And I actually think the way Rose that it is

1306
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: so perfect the narcissism of all of these politicians to

1307
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: think that it's.

1308
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 4: All about them and like, oh.

1309
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: Be patient with us, She's earned respect, et cetera, et cetera.

1310
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: It's like, no, what about the reality of what this

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Speaker 1: means for Californians, for Democrats across the country, you want

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Speaker 1: to see a certain agenda perform like you just discard

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Speaker 1: that for the narcissism of this one aging senator. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's an insane way to view our political sits, but

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Speaker 1: so many of them do view it that way, and

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Speaker 1: by the way, they train plenty of liberals to view

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Speaker 1: it that way as well. I Army always says, your

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Speaker 1: politics has been transformed to this like vehicle for our

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Speaker 1: political classes own personal ambitions rather than in their own

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Speaker 1: like personal like journey of self discovery, rather than what

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Speaker 1: it's supposed to be about, which is delivering for the

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Speaker 1: American people. So anyway, the way that the Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: has responded to Row on this is gro tesque. And

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Speaker 1: lucky enough, we've gotten booked for tomorrow. We'll have him

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Speaker 1: in studios so we can ask him about it directly,

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Speaker 1: assuming you know, with Congressman it's always a little dicey,

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Speaker 1: so hopefully he'll be able to make it. But we

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Speaker 1: should have him in here for you tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it'll be fun.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So the Fox News dominion trial was

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Speaker 1: supposed to start today, but the judge and fault has

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Speaker 1: now pushed it to tomorrow amid reports that apparently Fox

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes is really pushing to try to settle

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Speaker 1: this thing. Let's go and put the second element up

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Speaker 1: here first, guys, this is the Wall Street Journal report

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Speaker 1: E two put this up on the screen. News defamation

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Speaker 1: trial delayed a mid network's push to settle dispute. They

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Speaker 1: go into some of the details here. They say they've

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Speaker 1: made a late push to settle the dispute out of court.

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Speaker 1: By the way, you know, Wall Street Journal are owned

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Speaker 1: by Murdoch, so probably pretty reliable information that they're getting

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Speaker 1: here from whoever their source is. People familiar with the situation,

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Speaker 1: said Sunday. As with any case, the parties also could

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Speaker 1: choose to settle at any point during the trial. They

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Speaker 1: have some of the analysis here, they say. Legal observers

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Speaker 1: say the dominion case could prove to be a notable

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Speaker 1: counter example to prior attempts to go after news organizations

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Speaker 1: for reporting things that turn out to be inaccurate. The

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Speaker 1: company comes to trial writing momentum, they're talking about dominion.

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Speaker 1: The presiding judges already concluded that Fox News and Fox

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Speaker 1: Business did, in fact broadcast false claims about Dominion voiced

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Speaker 1: by both network hosts and Trump associates, including Sidney Powell

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Speaker 1: and Rudy Giuliani who appeared as guests. So that was

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Speaker 1: actually really noteworthy in a pre trial decision that they

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Speaker 1: can Dominion doesn't even have to prove during the trial

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Speaker 1: that the claims were false.

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Speaker 4: That's being taken for granted.

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Speaker 1: Fox no longer has that defense available to them, and

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Speaker 1: there are a number of other decisions that went against Fox,

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Speaker 1: including they were sanctioned for not accurately portraying Murdoch's role

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Speaker 1: in title at Fox, and also for not being forthcoming

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Speaker 1: in discovery and handing over to Dominion all of the

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Speaker 1: relevant you know, documents, text recordings, etc. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: we'll see how this goes. It's very difficult to prove

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Speaker 1: this sort of defamation case against a news organization, as

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Speaker 1: it certainly should be. You have to prove what's called

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Speaker 1: actual malice, which is that you knew that what you

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Speaker 1: were saying was wrong and you intentionally did it anyway.

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Speaker 1: So the reason as a high bar is you basically

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Speaker 1: have to get inside of these producers and hosts and

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Speaker 1: the whole news organization's heads and reveal you know, and

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Speaker 1: persuaded jury that they really knew this was wrong, and

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Speaker 1: then they went ahead and did it anyway. So it

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Speaker 1: is a very difficult bar to clear. But sounds like

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Speaker 1: Fox is nervous enough given the fact that they're trying

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Speaker 1: to settle, or they just don't with the embarrassment of

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Speaker 1: the public trial. But I think they've got to be

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Speaker 1: nervous about the actual potential legal decision that would be

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Speaker 1: made here.

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Speaker 2: There's been movement on both sides because I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: if you saw it, but they amended their legal filing

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Speaker 2: to say that they would not present jury with the

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Speaker 2: claims for alleged loss profits. And originally they were just

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Speaker 2: seeking lost profit damages of not less than six hundred million.

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Speaker 2: So they're having the price of what a potential settlement

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Speaker 2: could be. And that could also be an easy way

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Speaker 2: for Fox to come in and just say, all right, look,

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Speaker 2: let's just take care of this. We'll never know how

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Speaker 2: much they paid, or at least officially, I'm assuming it

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Speaker 2: will come out. Another thing that is important for people

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Speaker 2: to understand, as I have been learning a little bit

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Speaker 2: about this. In some cases, I don't know if these

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Speaker 2: specific cases when media organizations settle insurance companies pay for

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Speaker 2: it whenever you go to trial, then actually it comes

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Speaker 2: out of your actual budget. So it is possible that

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Speaker 2: they could have some defamation or legal liability insurance that

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Speaker 2: would kick in here, and that it may even be

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Speaker 2: also that their insurance companies, you know, to the extent

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Speaker 2: that they might have a burden sharing agreement that they

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Speaker 2: have signed. Here is basically pressuring them, being like, we're

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Speaker 2: going to drop you if you don't go ahead and

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Speaker 2: settle this case, because we won't want to expose our

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Speaker 2: liability in the future.

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Speaker 3: Just an important thing to note about.

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Speaker 2: How a lot of media liability insurance actually works. It's

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Speaker 2: one of the reasons why in some cases where they

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Speaker 2: do face jeopardy they just go ahead and settle it

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Speaker 2: because they don't actually have to pay for it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it comes out of your insurance. Pobb.

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Speaker 1: Well, this's also a public company who knows what shareholders

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Speaker 1: are pressuring them to do as well. I mean, because

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Speaker 1: this has already been hugely embarrassing for them. I think

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Speaker 1: the most embarrassing revelation that has come out is how

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Speaker 1: powerless they are, you know, how little influenced they actually

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Speaker 1: have with the Republican base. At this point, and how

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Speaker 1: threatened they really felt by these sort of like junkie upstarts,

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Speaker 1: what American News Network and Newsmax. So to me, in

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Speaker 1: terms of a business perspective, that's probably the most embarrassing thing,

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Speaker 1: and you can't put that cap back in the bag.

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Speaker 1: But needless to say, if you go forward with a

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Speaker 1: trial and you have the specter of some of your

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Speaker 1: top hosts who have huge brands and provide your company

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Speaker 1: with huge value having to testify on the stand, first

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Speaker 1: of all, that's a huge circus and second of all,

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Speaker 1: that's a huge risk you're taking in terms of the

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Speaker 1: brand of your company. So we've been waiting for a

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Speaker 1: while now, were like, why aren't they just going to

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Speaker 1: settle this thing, because if it goes to court, even

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Speaker 1: if they end up prevailing on the other side, it

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Speaker 1: could be incredibly damaging to their business and their brand.

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Speaker 4: To show you how bad this has been.

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Speaker 1: Leading up to the trial, and how a number of

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Speaker 1: important decisions have already gone against Fox News with regards

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Speaker 1: to this trial. Howie Kurtz, who's their media reporter. He's

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Speaker 1: got his own show, I believe it's on Sundays. He

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Speaker 1: had previously been told he couldn't report on this at all,

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Speaker 1: which he commented on public ely he was unhappy that

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Speaker 1: he'd been given this dictate, like you can't report it

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Speaker 1: on this publicly. Apparently they've lifted that dictate because did

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Speaker 1: do his own breakdown of what he described as a

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Speaker 1: very rough week for Fox, and also revealed he had

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Speaker 1: plans to travel to Delaware to directly cover this trial himself.

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Speaker 4: Take a listen to what he had to say.

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Speaker 12: The trial in the high profile dominion voting systems lawsuit

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01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,680
Speaker 12: against Fox begins tomorrow in Delaware, and let's face it,

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01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 12: much of the mainstream media is rather openly rooting for

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Speaker 12: Fox to lose.

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Speaker 3: I can assure you that I will.

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Speaker 12: Provide fair and down the middle coverage of this one

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Speaker 12: point six billion dollar suit about coverage of false election

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Speaker 12: forud claims in twenty twenty, despite the fact that I

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Speaker 12: work here and with that it's been a very rough

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Speaker 12: week for Fox. George Eric Davis imposed a sansion on

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Speaker 12: the networks that he would likely start an investigation with

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Speaker 12: whether it's legal team withheld evidence and would very likely

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Speaker 12: name a special master to handle that probe. One part

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Speaker 12: of the mains objection that Fox didn't disclose that Rupert

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Speaker 12: Murdock has two titles Chairman of Fox Corporation and executive

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Speaker 12: chairman at Fox News, that one basically an honorary title.

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Speaker 12: Abbey Rothberger, now fired Fox producer from rear Bart to Romo,

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Speaker 12: who has filed a separate lawsuit against Fox, set in

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Speaker 12: the firing, and she had audio recordings of Bartromo pre

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Speaker 12: interviewing Trumplawyers Rouiy Juli and Sydney Powell.

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Speaker 3: Dominion the huge coxpt withholding that.

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Speaker 12: Evidence when a Fox fokesperson said they never didn't even

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Speaker 12: know about these tapes until March twentieth, then access Grosberg's

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Speaker 12: phone and provided them within fifteen days, that's not all.

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Speaker 12: In other pre trial rules, Judge Davis undercard part of

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Speaker 12: Foxes defense, the judge said Fox News cannot argue that

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Speaker 12: it carriage falls allegations of election for it by Trump

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Speaker 12: allies because they weren't newsworthy. Judge Davis said, just because

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Speaker 12: someone is newsworthy doesn't mean you can defame someone In

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Speaker 12: a ruling favorable to Fox, the judge said dominion Canno

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Speaker 12: bring up January sixth, except in the most narrow circumstances,

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Speaker 12: because the Capitol Riot is not part of the trial.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know, Crystal.

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Speaker 2: I just think that broadly, looking at all of the

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Speaker 2: facts of the case, they should have settled this a

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Speaker 2: long time ago, way before the reputational damage of the

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Speaker 2: text messages and the audio of the phone calls that

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Speaker 2: have come out.

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Speaker 3: I do also think a lot of it.

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Speaker 2: Probably comes down to ruper Murdock's ego, you know, talking

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Speaker 2: about previously finesteining with ninety year olds.

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Speaker 3: E ninety two years old. Yeah, I poor like not

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Speaker 3: just poor health.

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Speaker 2: He read off that list like bad back like anyway,

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Speaker 2: I was telling you recently on I was reading his

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Speaker 2: biography of Sumner Redstone, who was the billionaire CEO of

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Speaker 2: Paramount of a CBS viacom.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And when they get to that age, the level of

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Speaker 2: impressionability that they have around them and the assets that

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Speaker 2: they have, they are so easily manipulate, like to be,

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01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:27,719
Speaker 2: They're so easy to manipulate that you almost feel bad

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Speaker 2: for that, even though in many cases, much like Murdock himself,

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Speaker 2: they surround themselves with all these fiances who were much

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Speaker 2: younger than them and.

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Speaker 3: Have access to a lot of their cash.

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Speaker 2: But the point was, and that one of the points

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Speaker 2: of that book was that how many of the people

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Speaker 2: in the apparatrics around Redstone would use his impressionability to

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Speaker 2: very old age to try and pressure into bad business decisions. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and frankly, I see something very similar.

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Speaker 1: You do see that that Gabe Sherman piece that we

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Speaker 1: looked at last week had some of those details where

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Speaker 1: it really looked like, you know, Rupert would say whatever

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Speaker 1: he wanted Fox News to do. You get kind of

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01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 1: like a pad on that. Yeah, and Suzanne Scott would,

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Speaker 1: you know, do whatever she thought was going to drive ratings,

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Speaker 1: and that I mean, that's just really clearly what happened

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Speaker 1: here based on their own words. They dabbled in, let's

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Speaker 1: be honest about the election, their ratings tanked, they freaked

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Speaker 1: down about Newsmax, and then you know, they turn on

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01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 1: a dime and they're like, yeah, we got to I

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Speaker 1: guess we got to go along with the insanity because

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Speaker 1: we've got no other choice. And now they're facing not

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Speaker 1: only this particular lawsuit, there's also a two point seven

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Speaker 1: billion dollar defamation suit from Smart Maattic. They had to

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Speaker 1: settle a different defamation lawsuit that was probably some random

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Speaker 1: Venezuelan businessman that got smeared is all a part of

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Speaker 1: this that they had to settle for settle out of

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Speaker 1: court as well. Now, are any of these sums going

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Speaker 1: to bring Fox News down?

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01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: Do they want to pay, you know, a billion dollar

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01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: settlement or whatever? Of course not. It's it definitely hurts.

1528
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,680
Speaker 1: There's enough money that it definitely hurts. But is it

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01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 1: going to bring them down?

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01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 13: No?

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01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: I think the biggest risk here is the reputational damage,

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01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:57,679
Speaker 1: much of which they've frankly already sustained.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I completely agree, Crystal, what are you taking a look at?

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01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 1: Fortune is reporting on a stunning warning coming from the

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01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 1: economist of a large and storied investment bank. According to

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01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 1: Albert Edward's global strategist for Society, General, corporate profiteering has

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01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 1: become so outrageous that it could trigger the end.

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01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 4: Of capitalism itself. That's what he said.

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Speaker 1: Specifically, Edwards writes about how companies have used the excuse

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01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 1: of inflation to jack up prices an astonishing amount, such

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01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 1: that this greedflation is itself causing far larger price spikes

1543
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 1: than any other factor. He writes in part that quote,

1544
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 1: after working in finance for over forty years, I had

1545
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: felt there wasn't much that could surprise me. Yet I

1546
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: find the unprecedented levels of corporate greedflation in this economic

1547
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: cycle astonishing. The latest release of US whole economy profits

1548
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:49,560
Speaker 1: data delivered another shock to my weakening confidence that the

1549
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 1: capitalist system is working as it should. Companies have used

1550
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: first the pandemic and then the war in Ukraine to

1551
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 1: profiteer at a time in social cohesion is already fraying

1552
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:01,639
Speaker 1: at the edges. I think the site of companies generating

1553
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: super normal profit margins in a crisis can only inflame

1554
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: social unrest.

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01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 4: This is a big issue.

1556
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 1: For policymakers that simply cannot be ignored any longer.

1557
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 4: But what to do?

1558
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: He continues, The end of greedflation must surely come, otherwise

1559
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:18,600
Speaker 1: we may be looking at the end of capitalism.

1560
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 4: This is a big issue now.

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01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 1: Edward's alarm was triggered by a new set of economic

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01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:25,640
Speaker 1: data showing that even now, as there are signs of

1563
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:27,640
Speaker 1: the economy slowing, and after the feed is engaged in

1564
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: a historic program of rate hiking, companies continue to rake

1565
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 1: in record profits. This is not how things are supposed

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01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: to work. If inflation was truly being driven by underlying costs,

1567
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 1: then corporate bottom lines would be getting squeezed just as

1568
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:45,640
Speaker 1: hard as everyone else. Instead, we see larger corporations getting fatter.

1569
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 4: Than ever before. Just take a look at this chart.

1570
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: That top line there is profit margins, which posts two

1571
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, especially since twenty twenty, just climb up

1572
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 1: and up and up. Labor costs are there in black,

1573
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 1: and other input costs are there in blue. Since twenty twenty,

1574
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 1: both do climb somewhat, but it is nowhere cloth to

1575
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,680
Speaker 1: what is going on with profit margins. Workers get the

1576
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:10,599
Speaker 1: tiniest of raises, which, given inflation, amounts to literally less

1577
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 1: than nothing, and yet they get all the blame for

1578
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 1: prices rising. Meanwhile, corporations, drunk on monopoly consolidation, government capture,

1579
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 1: and a demobilized population with record low union rates, they

1580
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 1: think they can just do whatever they want and everyone

1581
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 1: is just gonna take it. Here's a pretty clear example

1582
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: of what I'm talking about. You know how, you are

1583
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 1: still getting screwed on everything from eggs to milk every

1584
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 1: time you go to the grocery store. While, as analysts

1585
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 1: Andreas Stano Larson notes on Twitter, actual food prices are

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01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 1: actually down twenty five percent from the peak, and yet

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01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 1: we see no reflection of it in consumer prices. It's

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01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 1: about time they say that we demand price cuts from

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01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 1: our retailers. And the sad thing is corporation's betting they

1590
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 1: can price gouge with impunity and no repercussions.

1591
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 4: They've been correct.

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01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 1: After dabbling with a little bit of accurate rhetoric reflecting

1593
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 1: the role corporate profiteering is played in rising prices, the

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01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 1: Biden White House gave in to pure and instead adopted

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01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 1: these standard workers are to blame analysis that has been

1596
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: pushed by corporate friendly economists, in particular Cornel reporting from

1597
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 1: Jeff's time. It was Obama economist Jason Furman and final

1598
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 1: boss of neoliberalism Larry Summers who persuaded Biden and co.

1599
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 1: That the very serious and very smart people did not

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01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 1: think it fair to blame price gouging for inflation. If

1601
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 1: corporations were hiking prices.

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01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 4: Well that was the free market.

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01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 1: If workers were demanding higher wages, then that must be

1604
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 1: stopped at all costs, including throwing millions of them out

1605
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 1: of work and sending the whole economy into a potential recession. Meanwhile,

1606
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 1: such radical left wing institutions as the FED, were putting

1607
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: out research showing that wage increases represent a tiny fraction

1608
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 1: of rising prices, a point raised recently by John Stewart

1609
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 1: and is now famous debate with Larry Summers.

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Speaker 4: Take a listen.

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01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 6: Basically happened to us as we had massive stimulus and

1612
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 6: an economy that could only produce so much. We had

1613
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 6: huge levels of demand, and those huge levels of demand

1614
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 6: kept pushing up prices and pushing up wages.

1615
01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 3: But ultimately it was.

1616
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 6: You put too much water in the bathtub, the bathtub overflows.

1617
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:05,600
Speaker 6: You put too much demand into the economy, and you

1618
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:07,600
Speaker 6: get high in rising prices.

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01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 7: But the San Francisco feed says that is demand is

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01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 7: maybe thirty to thirty five percent of the inflation, wages

1621
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:16,600
Speaker 7: are really around twenty percent of the inflation. There's a

1622
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 7: huge corporate profit aspect to it, there's a huge supply

1623
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 7: chain aspect to it, but our method for controlling it

1624
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:25,759
Speaker 7: seems really much more focused on wages and employment.

1625
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 6: There's certain sicknesses you can have where there's a drug

1626
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:32,679
Speaker 6: and has side effects, and everybody hates the side effects,

1627
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 6: and no doctor wants their patient to suffer the side effects.

1628
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 6: But if you don't address the sickness, you're going to

1629
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 6: have a.

1630
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 3: Bigger problem down the road.

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01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 7: But the stock market assets have gone up one hundred

1632
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 7: and fifty percent, CEOPA has gone up fifteen hundred percent. Workers'

1633
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 7: wages haven't gone up at all. I think you're misdiagnosing the.

1634
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 1: Sickness, and non Stewart is precisely right there now the

1635
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 1: reason Albert Edwards is so alarmed by this whole situation

1636
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:57,719
Speaker 1: and sounding such dire warnings as to say capitalism itself

1637
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 1: could be brought down by gre inflation, as we haven't

1638
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 1: really seen anything exactly like this in history. Forty years

1639
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:07,919
Speaker 1: of market fundamentalism have left corporations with such power, government's

1640
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:11,480
Speaker 1: so impotent, and workers so weak that the whole oligarchic

1641
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 1: mess is in danger of eating itself, engaging in such

1642
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 1: abuses that societies resort to radical tactics and ideologies in

1643
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 1: order to bring the global bohemoths who have devoured our

1644
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:24,599
Speaker 1: world to heal. That is why, ever so tapidly, you're

1645
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 1: hearing a few very sober minded economists call for policy

1646
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 1: responses that have been considered off the table for quite

1647
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 1: some time. A working paper by a pair of economists

1648
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:37,480
Speaker 1: at the University of Massachusetts gently suggested government's stockpile commodities

1649
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 1: institute price gouging laws, windfall profit taxes, and possibly even

1650
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 1: price controls in order to block the ever escalating series

1651
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 1: of price increases. This analysis is echoed by Albert Edwards

1652
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 1: in that note, who is well aware of the history

1653
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 1: and negative view of price controls, but nevertheless believes they

1654
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: might be necessary because quote, something seems to have broken

1655
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:01,679
Speaker 1: with capitalism. Listen, I don't know the greinflation is going

1656
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 1: to end capitalism, but there is no doubt that the

1657
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:07,879
Speaker 1: abuses of unchecked capitalism have already up ended our politics

1658
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 1: and those of nations around the globe. Just witness the

1659
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 1: protest waves sweeping nations like France the UK. Witness gen

1660
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 1: Z rediscovering the power solidarity and unions organizing on TikTok.

1661
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:21,599
Speaker 1: But as supposedly radical policies like price controls are raised, Remember,

1662
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 1: the truly radical path is the one that we've been

1663
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 1: on a nation, a culture, a world that is run

1664
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 1: exclusively for the benefit of corporations.

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01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 4: And you know, it's pretty astounding, though.

1666
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 2: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's

1667
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 2: monologue become a premium subscriber today at breakingpoints dot com.

1668
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 4: All right, sagery looking at well like.

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01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 2: Everyone else, It's always enjoyable to watch somebody dumb get

1670
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 2: their come up ands on social media, from f around

1671
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 2: and find out fight videos to those confronted with wrongdoing.

1672
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 2: I spotted though a viral clip this weekend making the

1673
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 2: rounds from Dave Ramsey's show that many were viscerally reacting

1674
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:00,639
Speaker 2: to of a couple that has racked up a million

1675
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 2: dollars in debt. Many are shocked and making fun of

1676
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 2: the couple while they're in the wrong. Their predicament, actually, though,

1677
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 2: is much more common than people think, and that's actually

1678
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 2: what makes it all the more horrifying.

1679
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to that.

1680
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:15,959
Speaker 13: He has probably just under a million dollars in debt,

1681
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 13: and we want to know how to get debt free

1682
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 13: without filing bankruptcy.

1683
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 10: Okay, how much of that is a mortgage? The mortgage

1684
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 10: about two ten, so you have six hundred thousand dollars

1685
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:28,639
Speaker 10: in one.

1686
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 13: Three hundred and thirty five is about in student loans.

1687
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 13: We both have advanced degrees, and then a lot the

1688
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 13: rest is really credit cards and personal loans.

1689
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 10: So you have three hundred thousand dollars with credit cards

1690
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:43,959
Speaker 10: and personal loans.

1691
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:47,719
Speaker 13: We have about three hundred thirty five thousand suit loans

1692
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,680
Speaker 13: and about one hundred and thirty six thousand credit cards,

1693
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 13: forty four thousand personal loans, and thirty five thousand car loans.

1694
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:57,680
Speaker 2: Okay, so to recap, they have two hundred and ten

1695
01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 2: thousand dollars in mortgage debt, three hundred and thirty five

1696
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 2: thousand dollars in student loans, one hundred and thirty six

1697
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:04,759
Speaker 2: thousand dollars in credit card debt, forty four thousand dollars

1698
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,839
Speaker 2: in personal loans, and thirty five thousand dollars in car loans.

1699
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 2: I get hives just thinking about that now. Obvious though

1700
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 2: this woman and her husband are irresponsible, it is definitely

1701
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 2: their fault for getting into this situation. But when you

1702
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 2: keep listening and you look at where the bulk of

1703
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 2: the debt here comes from and how they do it

1704
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,799
Speaker 2: what they do, it becomes even crazier.

1705
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 3: Okay, how old are you?

1706
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 4: I'm twenty nine, so what in the world?

1707
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 10: So, yeah, are you both on this or is this

1708
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 10: just one of you that's completely lost your mind?

1709
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:40,560
Speaker 13: Well, I have the majority of the student loans and

1710
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 13: hands the majority of the credit cards. My credit card

1711
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 13: debt is about it's not great.

1712
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:46,720
Speaker 10: Why is he twenty one year old run up on

1713
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 10: hundred in credit card debt?

1714
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 13: Well, he's thirty two. But I think it's one of

1715
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 13: those things where just making really poor financial decisions, thinking

1716
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 13: be able to pay it down as you go, and

1717
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 13: it doesn't. It doesn't happen, Chris.

1718
01:20:57,560 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 3: So you both have advanced degrees. What are your degrees in?

1719
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 13: So I have a degree in both of our advanced degrees. No,

1720
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:04,719
Speaker 13: he has the NBA and I have an advance degree

1721
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 13: in policy. I work in the government, and we actually

1722
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 13: both do now at this point.

1723
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 10: Actually, okay, so your household incomes for our household.

1724
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 13: Income is about two thirty.

1725
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, recapping again, we have two Washington, DC based

1726
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:23,679
Speaker 2: advanced degree holders who work for the federal government, one

1727
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 2: with a policy degree presumably from a prestigious school, another

1728
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 2: with an MBA. Together, they have racked up a million

1729
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 2: dollars in debt and are now crawling to Dave Ramsey

1730
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 2: for help. You can laugh, but it's actually sad because

1731
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 2: while yes, this is an extreme situation, some version of

1732
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 2: it is playing out across the entire country with people

1733
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 2: who are following for quote what you should do. Note

1734
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 2: that the bulk of the debt comes from one source,

1735
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 2: advanced degree student debt. A point I've been trying to

1736
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 2: make here for years. The vast majority of student debt

1737
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 2: held today is amongst advanced degree holders from universities charging

1738
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 2: exorbitant prices and who know it will not work out

1739
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,840
Speaker 2: financially for their graduates. The average amount of student debt

1740
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 2: that a master's degree holder in the United States holds

1741
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:09,639
Speaker 2: is eighty thousand dollars. For PhD holders and advanced degrees,

1742
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:12,719
Speaker 2: it's one hundred and thirty two thousand dollars the average.

1743
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 2: And again, the average student debt is one hundred and

1744
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,599
Speaker 2: forty five percent higher. So while we can laugh at

1745
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:21,919
Speaker 2: these people, consider that if you just double the average

1746
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 2: for PhD holders, then their amount of debt is roughly

1747
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:27,679
Speaker 2: right on the money. Now, how did it end up

1748
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 2: for them? Their combined household income is two hundred and

1749
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 2: thirty thousand dollars. That's nice on paper, put them solidly

1750
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 2: in the top fifteen percent of American household income.

1751
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 3: Again, that sounds good, but is it here? Too? Is

1752
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:40,639
Speaker 3: important to consider averages.

1753
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,679
Speaker 2: The average salary in the US for a professional degree

1754
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 2: holder like this couple is about one hundred thousand dollars. Ergo,

1755
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:48,880
Speaker 2: if you double their salaries and you look at their

1756
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,200
Speaker 2: household earnings, it's exactly average.

1757
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 3: That's the point that I want to underscore here.

1758
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 2: On a glance, these people are nuts for racking up

1759
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 2: this amount of debt on their income. But when you

1760
01:22:57,200 --> 01:22:59,600
Speaker 2: begin to break it down, you see how average that

1761
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 2: they act actually are, and you see how our entire

1762
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 2: economy's society is floated on a fake dream. Their mortgage

1763
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 2: balance of two hundred and ten thousand dollars is below average.

1764
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 2: The average mortgage balance in the US is two hundred

1765
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 2: and thirty six thousand dollars, actually rising as interest rates

1766
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 2: go up and people are defaulting on payments. Even on

1767
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 2: car loans, these folks are well within average. Americans borrow

1768
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 2: an average of forty two thousand dollars today for a

1769
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 2: new vehicle twenty eight thousand for used vehicles. Since they

1770
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 2: live in DC and the loan balance is relatively low,

1771
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 2: maybe we can assume one car again solidly in the

1772
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:30,440
Speaker 2: average category.

1773
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 3: Again.

1774
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 2: The one place though, where this couple is truly extraordinary

1775
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 2: is their personal loans and credit card debt. Average household

1776
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 2: American and credit card dollars in personal loans is some

1777
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 2: nine thousand dollars, only about six thousand dollars in credit

1778
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 2: card debt. Again, I am saying only, but those are bad,

1779
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 2: and you should really zero that out as soon as

1780
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 2: possible if you are able to, but of course not

1781
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 2: everyone can. In this case, they are well above average,

1782
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 2: with credit card debt north of one hundred and thirty

1783
01:23:57,560 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 2: k and personal loans above forty.

1784
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:02,560
Speaker 3: But let this think in of the one million.

1785
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 2: Dollars in debt that this couple has, only about twenty

1786
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 2: percent of it is above average for someone in their position.

1787
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 3: That's a lot less.

1788
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 2: Than most people think coming into the video. And that's

1789
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 2: what's more shocking to me. If these people were merely

1790
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 2: averaging their category and income type, their loan balance could

1791
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 2: still be around eight hundred thousand dollars. That's a pretty

1792
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 2: insane system that we have apparently forced an entire generation

1793
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:27,639
Speaker 2: of aspiring career.

1794
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 3: Holders to be in. This is basically debt slavery. There

1795
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 3: is no.

1796
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 2: Way in the world you will ever work your way

1797
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:36,679
Speaker 2: out of variable interest on three hundred and thirty thousand

1798
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:37,639
Speaker 2: dollars in student debt.

1799
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 3: That's a lifetime noos.

1800
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:41,680
Speaker 2: That is why way before student debt forgiveness, you have

1801
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,599
Speaker 2: got to penalize and tax these corrupt universities that people

1802
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 2: put people in this position, and is why we need

1803
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 2: to understand being average today is actually a bad deal

1804
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 2: for many Americans. Even though seemingly at the top, Consider

1805
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 2: this chart put together by CNBC. The cost of just

1806
01:24:57,120 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 2: living has now gone dramatically up. Just to sit side

1807
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 2: of your house, appliances, electricity tools, hardware, cable TV, total

1808
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 2: prices are out by at least thirteen percent. If you

1809
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 2: want to take a vacation or do anything leisurely, you

1810
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:13,680
Speaker 2: are going to get charged massive, astronomical prices for it.

1811
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:16,560
Speaker 2: The price of existing today means thousands of dollars in

1812
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:18,759
Speaker 2: debt and the inability to make even your most basic

1813
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 2: ends meet while remaining relatively financially whole. So when you

1814
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 2: watch that video, don't just think about how dumb the

1815
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 2: couple is. Think about how dumb the country is for

1816
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:31,200
Speaker 2: creating so many people who are just like them.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's kind of one of the takes out walks.

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